Kill Team | Winners and Losers From the January 2025 Balance Dataslate

[@benmorgan6433]

Do you ever think about doing battle reports? I think there’s a sad lack of actual gameplay videos for killteam on KZbin. Like your videos! They’re very helpful

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I've already done some but just lack the time to record atm 😅

[@benmorgan6433]

@ oh I see somehow I missed that lol but I will check them out now.

[@SteeleTalon]

Check out @MountainsideTabletop !

[@MrWingedSpirit]

Funny thing about the pathfinder’s drone walking is that the Vespid drone does actually fly. Kind of the Tau to give their best drones to their little bug friends.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

The Tau just love their insects

[@JacqEve]

As a Pathfinder player, I feel you bro... We payin for so many grenades in turn 1.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

We're sorry GW 😭

[@JacqEve]

@CanYouRollaCrit i wont kill 3 elite marines in the first turn anymore.

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Crit - thank you for all the chapter breaks. I’m sure it’s extra work, but I really appreciate it. Especially if I need to refer back later.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah nah its all good, I put them in as edit in Premier (:

[@Maddphish1]

Just glad my Admech boys got at least a little bit of a bump and not completely forgotten like some teams that need help.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah, wish they got more tho

[@TheRedbranch]

Doctrinas ignoring depreciations once per game is still rough.

[@Maddphish1]

@ Taking the Meta Monsters getting tapped as the big win.

[@rodrigomorenonunez4030]

The third floor of Volkus has the rule "fragile position", you can charge the space right below the third floor as if it were an operative, then each player places any operatives on the third floor they might have within engagement range of the charging operative. Deal 1d6 damage to each falling operative. There, much more fun and simple to parse.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

That's only slightly better 😅

[@HiggiWiggi]

Between kill team and regular 40k my sisters can’t catch a break 😅

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Nuns with guns too stronk

[@fran_akron]

I got novitiates KT box last week 😂😂😂

[@coolguywithahat]

I’m in the middle of painting my Novitiates and building Hierotek Circle.. meanwhile my friend is in the middle of painting his Fellgor and building his Chaos Cult.. interesting times lol

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

The coinflip of balance haha

[@HB2K-h8m]

Maybe the new inquisition rule of one piercing 2 weapon and 3 piercing weapons overall needs universal application?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Maybe? Most teams kinda have that limitation tho

[@marcog7442]

100% agree!

[@mitchwaugh3937]

That would be an enormous nerf to Vespids who are already struggling a lot imo

[@AAkCN1]

Have not even started playing or learned the rules but still enjoying your content. Says a lot ;)

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah that's great to hear haha

[@AAkCN1]

@ keep up the good work. As soon as I started and progressed on my dark angels inner circle task force, I will try to get into Kill Team thanks to you. Quite stoked for the smaller format tactical missions. While I’d love me some orks, it probably makes more sense to create dark angels themed Kill teams to be able to integrate into my 1st company Battle Force. Anyways, I appreciate all your effort going into this and it really shows. Confident that this channel will continue growing :)

[@YouKnowWhereYouAre]

So glad for the changes. My Jaegirs now stand a chance against some of the tougher matchups and I'm now just about to start playing with my painted Vespid. Here's to some more fun games!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah, lots of fun changes for them!

[@HobbyBottMinis]

What about Wyrmblade and Brood Bros?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No change for those teams imo, just kinda solid

[@8486odin]

The novitiates update hurts but not as much as Heirotek circle and legionaries.... they got beaten up Edited

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Press F for Heirotek 🫡

[@Tombonzo]

@@CanYouRollaCrit- Yes, kind of unfortunate!

[@Rustlefy]

Chaos Cult: my problem is the survivabilty. I wish they healed when they mutated, instead of mutate OR heal. If you manage to survive to Torment, how many hp will you have left?

[@Rustlefy]

Made worse by the severe range limitations in the whole team. If the commune had more range, then it’s like, ok the mutations are a big fun chaotic X factor, but you still have a part of a team. You can use Faithful Follower ploy to sacrifice a cultist instead, but you don’t have good CP generation. Idk maybe it’s better on the table, but it still doesn’t look great to me

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah the issue was before you would risk so much to get to the mutants who then full healed no matter what. Became way too difficult to deal with

[@Rustlefy]

I just put my Chaos Cult on the table for the first time. I got completely beta-cucked on beta-decima vs hunter clade. I think they’re still too weak. Mutant feels like a downgrade from devotee- no shooting, still save on 5+ with 7 hp, don’t get to mutate to torment if you do manage to kill something, mission actions cost an extra apl and you only have 2, so can’t capitalize well on having more operatives…. Feels Bad

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

@Rustlefy I mean that's more likely due to Bheta Decima, a killzone so bad it shouldn't be played on

[@dr.michaelmarx3085]

Looks like the old Heirotek's getting shelved for a bit. Good thing I have my Hearthkyn and Night Lords to keep me busy.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeaaaah 😅

[@parkerpartain5529]

I'm trying to wrap my head around "double melta team" on the aquilons... and I can't figure out what you're implying by this?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Melta bomb and melta gun (:

[@parkerpartain5529]

@ holy crap I literally used the melts bomb in a game this week but suddenly broke reading that haha. Also, I was really hoping for clarification on the ratlings team selection. To your understanding if you run all ratlings do you get 3 plots free? Or down to 8 for the free ploys? Cause it's oddly worded and I feel it's each time you simply ignore the gryns you get one

[@ItsMrDon]

as a person who just bought a corsair team im happy

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Pirate time yarrrr

[@judass]

I think the reanimation changes to Hierotek Cricle are a bit to harsh. Instead they should add a bit of text like "for the purpose of kill ops this team counts as a 7 operative team." so they screw less with the kill op and at the same time dont get punished for theire faction rule.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I think they should just count for dying when killed regardless of rez

[@judass]

@@CanYouRollaCrit like score for a kill and then again after it has be reanimated? or once per model? because if you can score twice per model making your primary the kill op is an auto take against necrons

[@BuenosKillTeamsBKT-t1l]

29:31 There. It's my mind, and now is in yours.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Sorry

[@2WARDEN2]

You're actually the only KT guru I follow that's hyped on the DKoK update, everyone else I know still writes them off and were sort of "meh" on their changes. I honestly don't know why, it seems pretty good? Is it mainly because they only get those buffs as they cash in orders?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Oh, I didn't know that! I think their changes are really solid. Team just isn't the roadblock they used to be

[@Shogun0099]

I switched from Pathfinders to Vespid at the start of this edition... I did not know how bad things would get, but god *damn*

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Time of insect is now

[@silencealpha]

@@CanYouRollaCritI don’t know man, I’ve just had my second game with Vespid (about my tenth game overall) and they aren’t great! 😢

[@morch6120]

For the farstalker I’m pretty sure the majority of the team hits on 3+ beside some specialist

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Only some of the specialists

[@morch6120]

@@CanYouRollaCrit the only ones that hit on 4+ would be the tribalist, pulse rifle, basic warrior with kroot rifle, and the bird no?

[@joshpries9376]

You are 100% correct. Almost all the models hit on 3+, apart from the Heavy/Tribalest, Leader w/Pulse, Tracker/Stalker Rifle, and Kroot Warrior. As the Heavy is almost never run with the Tribal esthetic and the Leader rarely ran with Pulse, that means typically you are 12 models, 2 of which are on 4+.

[@reinhardtmercer7705]

I just finished my hiertotek circle lmao

[@jacobforey-miller3096]

Excellent news, For Khaela Mensha Khaine!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Silly Mon Keigh are doomed

[@GamingGuardians]

It seems anytime I paint a kill team the Balance Slate attacks them. Currently painting Plague Marines and they got hit. Painted HC just before the Balance Slate attacked them. And the Legionaries have been painted. If CYRAC pays me a million bucks I'll paint Corsairs and Void Dancers.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Just paint Quins pls 👀

[@GamingGuardians]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Where's my million dollars, then? 😇

[@heronvitor6886]

i think the healing from the technomancer is once per turning point not once per game.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Oh sorry meant once per TP!

[@Bawss5]

Where do you get "only once per game" from the technomancer? It or its apprentek can do it once per turning point.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

The heal says it can only be done once per TP sadly

[@Bawss5]

Yeah okay you say "once per game" just making sure we're on the same page

[@Tombonzo]

@@Bawss5- yes he did say that in the video, he made a mistake…. I had to go look again myself because I was like “once per game, oh man I didn’t remember reading that” lol

[@edstonj000]

Some might say the Aeldari teams are an 'Elfen Safety Risk 😅

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ohohohoooo

[@altromonte15]

harlequins have getting shafted since forever, in regular 40k. The one person in all of GW who likes the faction apparently managed to get into the Kill Team team and is protecting his babies.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah, it is pain for us KTers tho 🥲

[@LeemTeam]

Damn, still feels so bad I predicted Hierotek's non-Chronomancer stuff getting gutted for seemingly no reason. (Chrono definitely deserved it tho)

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah but just poor Technomancer );

[@LeemTeam]

@@CanYouRollaCrit IKR? My poor crab-riding wizard!

[@fromization1]

Definitely not holding my breath for Kroot, been burned too many times by now.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They got game!

[@danielknight8351]

My three teams: Heirotek, Kasrkin, Pathfinders. I think James Workshop is out to get me specifically 😭

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

He's watching 👀

[@NathanielL138]

How do you think this meta change will affect Kommados?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No real change imo

[@chriswills681]

Pretty much all the legionary losses are great for me. I wanted to run a purely world eaters legionary kill team and now running everywhere with melee is great🤣 the sorcerer and nurgle is no longer good which was the only thing stopping me from doing khorne only

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Thats true, Khorne forever haha

[@steppenworf121]

Huh...only just noticed Dio Brando has a Marines Malevolent colour scheme. p.s. Good video.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

JOJO REFERENCE????

[@ZipADeeDoo3124]

30:55 this is too hilarious

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

JOJOOOO

[@53rdcards]

So other than the clowns and goats who as usual dont get anything negative against them. all of the top teams got toned down, some more than others, but the necrons GW said, "we should just lift off, and nuke the place from orbit, its the only way to be sure" Not saying they didnt need to be toned down, but this seemed punitive rather than balancing. Necrons walk over to the pathfinders and say, your in my seat.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah Hierotek got the nuke, just only at them 😅

[@53rdcards]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Thinking on it, one thing that they could have done, and at least in my opinion would have balanced this team. remove both plasmacyts, or at the very least the reanimator. If both, put the accelerator abilities on all of the cryptechs, costing the same AP as it currently does, but forcing you to use a stronger unit as support if you wanted to use those abilities, and the reanimator abilities on the technomancer only. Or keep the accelerator, drop the reanimator, and put those abilities on the technomancer. up the res to 3 wounds if the technomancer does it, 2, if they res at the start of a turning point, make resurrecting a 2 AP combat action, leave the heal at 2d3, and make it cost 1AP, mark them that the same unit cannot use both in the same turning point, a unit that used either cannot make a ranged attack in the same turn, but do not limit the use per game. This would make it where to res a unit during a turning point, you have to have the technomancer, and, you have to use almost or all of its AP to bring a unit back, depending on if it had to move. To also heal the newly returned unit, you also would have to use your aprentek, This would make it where the necrons can still reanimate but to do so costs at minimum of 1 powerful unit all or much of its AP for a turn, and makes it unable to attack at range, if you want that unit reanimated and healed, it would take 2 of the necron units out of action.

[@briguy99]

For the Volkus vantage, I don't think that models with larger bases aren't placed there, they are "place(d) to one side" - not off the board, but on one side of the vantage. Agree it's badly written.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah see that's not even clear where placed to one side means haha, they need a diagram for it now 😂

[@eduardop727]

Not touching the Inquisitorial Ploys is what's going to keep them solid. The Quest keeper still hits hard but probably wants to be guided now to ensure you get 3 hits on the target.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yup, crazy strong ploys keeps them going

[@solarupdraft]

Does your friend have enough pathfinder copium to share?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

He deffo does 😎

[@TheWhiteWhale593]

I literally just bought Hierotek Circle a few hours ago. Guess I’ll just return it and get something else. Lame

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Oh hope they get a buff in 3 months 😅

[@LeemTeam]

They're def not unplayable at all, just not tournament-winning strong. Their guns still feel great to use, and their shenanigans with interstitial command are very unique.

[@Tombonzo]

HC definitely got kicked in the arse! I don’t think most of it was warranted, and or nerfed too much. I’m ok with nerfs, but these are too much! ​​⁠- Im going to still try and play them though and see what happens! Great video though

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah they needed being hit but not that hard 🥲

[@Tombonzo]

@@CanYouRollaCrit- Yep. Great video

[@antongrigoryev6381]

3:50 I'm pretty sure that Balanced is better than Accurate even with Kraks. Same goes for Kroot that hit on 4s.

[@sirmoth3955]

I was a bit doubtful, but it turns out you're right. Putting it into the kill team calculator, against a space marine defense profile, you get Accurate 1: Avg dmg 5.39, kill chance 3.1% Balanced: Avg dmg 5.98, kill chance 6.71%

[@antongrigoryev6381]

@@sirmoth3955 The way I think is: Accurate gives you a guaranteed hit, but if you're hitting on 4s, there's 50% chance that you would have hit anyway. So effectively it's 50% chance to turn a miss into a hit. Balanced gives you a re-roll of a fail. So it's also a 50% chance to turn a miss into a hit. However, Balanced also gives you a chance to get a crit while Accurate doesn't, so the overall damage is higher. Granted, for Kroot specifically, there's a difference that Accurate can stack to two while Balanced can't; since they can actually get multiple instances of Accurate (While being buffed by Victory Shriek and shooting at the Call the Kill target), it might matter, though I'm not sure how much. Nothing like that for BoK however.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Eh kinda, I know calc says it is better but for kraks I'd much prefer the reliability of accurate 1 ceaseless

[@antongrigoryev6381]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Doesn't Ceaseless get worse with Accurate? You roll fewer dice so you get lower chances of getting multiple of the same result. Balanced with Ceaseless is a much better combo. Plus, I do believe that the difference in reliability is minimal. Yes, technically with Accurate you're guaranteed to get at least one hit while with Balanced you can miss all, but 1 normal hit doesn't really matter much in Kill Team.

[@juicilicious]

So novitiates are borderline unplayable bad now, I'm just getting ran through consistently. I will admit they did heal to much and I'm completely fine with that nerf but the defenders of faith nerf is awful. almost every interaction I don't even get a chance to heal because they just die. put DotF back but with reduced healing if the unit didn't die in the 1st interaction its most likely going to die on its second because its probably around 4-5 wounds instead of full health. side note, we shouldn't heal on shooting but only fighting, retaliating or saving.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Haven't played against them yet but feels like they have to play super defensive now

[@franno70]

No brood bros analysis? ;_;

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No change sadly

[@philippesimpson]

I might be thick, or missing some context here... Why does CYRAC repeatedly express this "not a playtester" meme? I guess, he at some point by the community was thought to be a playtester... but what relevance does it have in a balance dataslate commentary piece? 🤔 Honest question.

[@DMDoherty1]

He sometimes will call out balance ideas that end up in balance data slates. So the joke is he's actually a play tester.

[@philippesimpson]

@@DMDoherty1 Ahh. I understand now. Thanks!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

#notaplaytester 🥲

[@PhasinG37]

Blooded! 😁

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They're great

[@fran_akron]

I just bought legionaries and novitiates F.... My life hahaha

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Legio are still good at least 😅

[@fran_akron]

@@CanYouRollaCrit what about the nuns are they any good with the nerf?

[@LietKynes13]

where are the komandos?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No change

[@normanderi]

Well seems like i wont be playing kill team for a while, im casual and I exclusively got hierotek and was waiting to see new kt that im interested in while playing hierotek, but this nerfs i think turn them unplayable... mainly the resurrection at 3 to 5 hp is nothing, not even resurrection at 2 like they did before to counter the nerf a bit... the biggest problem was reversing the death counter points, i already didnt like when they deleted cryptek's fly ability, but got new things and the tesla was covering their biggest weakness, but now they have nothing, no powerful abilities, bad equipment, still slow. They are just good shooting(which is useless as they can reach/flank for shit or have to make bad shots, like shooting on obscured targets) and decent melee to good if i pay cp... maybe im being overly conscious about their weaknesses, but i blame my friend who plays fast and hides all the time, but i find myself having to expose my units to compete and now exposing them turns them into easy targets and cant even hope for the tesla to make him fear to charge me. Im only saying mandrakes have very good synergy with their abilities and hierotek the best they have is the slingshot and magnify, and both are easily avoided...

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah you should be playing more defensive with HC regardless so the enemy comes to you

[@NCRRanger_War]

Hierotek was my first KT box a bought, and I was painting it for a game on this saturday... Only 2 left, just 2 left, just the accelerator and the reanimator... and now... I don't wanna play it XD

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Great painting project at least 😅

[@wearemad2905]

They're some generic ranged team now, Deathmark with augmented weapons + nullify obscure still deadly but that's it.

[@Tombonzo]

Bro, still play them and see…. Might not be as bad as you think!!! Ok, who I’m i kidding 😟

[@luxuriocat4285]

I don't agree with you on the Hierotek nerf and current status : Yes the Psychomancer will see more of dust than other miniatures but the technomancer is great he gives a very good damage reduction with a huge damage buff on weapon Severe Rending or Lethal 5 + Rending which is insane when playing immortal OR Deathmark ! with the elite not negating piercing 1 we now can pierce any elite without them being able to tank like no hit cam through and with 4 atk hiting on 3 it's an easy 2 crit with 1 hit which is devastating ! yes we will revive wounded but 3" revive range with Apprentek able to heal then use us to shoot the time look less frustrating less strong but not trash at all I think we are still easily a A/B tier team with very good matchup and maybe more bad/Even than before but that's fine it's part of the game !

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Issue is you now can't risk anyone. The Technomancer, while still killy, gives very bad healing so rez'd ops will just instantly die instead of being usable. Team is playable but they'll just be pushed over now

[@luxuriocat4285]

@ that’s way more balanced and logical than before ! If the opponent get the first strike yes i will probably loose the operative that resurected but i should be able to heal at least another operative killing more than my opponent i think against team like fellgor it’s going to be lost be not every team can overrun 10HP guys with accurate 2 and scarry D3+1 once per turn without consequence

[@nicolaslebrun1064]

Nothing about orcs ?

[@nicolaslebrun1064]

Or Tau ?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No change for Kommandos, covered PF

[@FlorelaFTW]

4:05 turning point 2? Bro, she does it TP1 🤣

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I wouldn't risk it TP1

[@jordanstengler6680]

What did the Harlequins do to you? lol

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Dominate the meta for months without nerfs

[@OceanVista76]

my problem with warpcoven’s changes is it gutted my 2 favorite aspects of the team and I kinda just don’t want to play them anymore. 4/2 dev 2 doombolt is a travesty

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

The team was way too toxic tho

[@OceanVista76]

@ I wanna make it clear I’m not defending the team. They were toxic and broken. They did so much so well so they did exactly what I like.

[@BetBack9]

NO ORKS?!?!?!?!?

[@nabotpowaa]

As an enthusiastic ork player (kommando are currently my main and I've got wrecka to paint), they didn't get touched at all as far as I can tell. A few tweaks could be fun but they're both very functional teams 👌

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They're alright but hate Aeldari

[@Cristian-n5n4y]

What!?! No more daily videos??? How dare you have a life! ;P

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I am teh evil

[@lifeinjersey9846]

Awesome my legionary are nerfed into the ground, hierotek is useless and Kasirkin are still losers......guess I'm done with kill team until the next data slate or edition

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Legio are still good

[@lifeinjersey9846]

@CanYouRollaCrit that is true! I have to admit I'm kinda excited for the fickeld fates ceaseless. Its going to be very interesting!

[@Adunapheth]

Still good, but way less tanky so you can't just unga bunga to victory anymore

[@Very-old-man]

Again. So much that was fun about legionaries is gone. Very sad.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Sadly cause it was very broken

[@Very-old-man]

@ And now one aspect (nurgle) is completely pointless. The healing aspect is nearly pointless. Soul Gorge is so incredibly minuscule it’s laughable. Mark of Slaanesh is basically cut in half. All the fun has been removed. Might as well just get Nemesis Claw at this point.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

D3+1 is still a great heal and can happen multiple times per TP, healing is the same for all teams now, Slaanesh is still strong but no longer busted The fun is still there, the broken-ness has been removed

[@Guillox_22]

*Happy gas mask noises

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Pyro humahaaa

[@mtgcalix8977]

Yeah whatever ... Nemesis claw is just not possible to get . I wish I could just buy them ..

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They're still out of stock?

[@KingGale]

I wish you'd leave Void Dancers alone, CYRAC. Gets a little tiresome when you keep harping on it video after video. And guess what? The best void dancer players got rolled by Elites in Worlds. Maybe let the new meta settle and see what happens. Agree with certain teams desperately needing a buff however.

[@danielcoral9749]

I agree with this completely. void dancers have been one of my 3 main teams since they came out in last edition. I feel I am fairly proficient at playing them and I still struggle into elites. I think he forgets that void dancers have to be played extremely tactically to survive. One bad die roll and it can all go down hill real fast.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They literally have been consistently above 60% in winrate for stats, and have placed very well at WCW and LVO. All other top teams got hit hard except them. GW just needs to actually consistently follow through with balance or it will keep getting called out

[@KingGale]

@@CanYouRollaCrit There is nuance in what balance is needed. VDT were nowhere close to being as egregiously broken as Legionaries or Warpcoven, and the results and playerbase sentiment actually reflect that in my opinion.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They were part of the only 6 viable teams competitively. We have stats and player placement to prove they needed to be nerfed harder. But it's fine, we'll just have to wait 3 more months to actually be toned down so they're no longer egregious

[@golden_kephri6716]

Me watching this while painting my Hierotek Circle 🥲

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They're a good painting project 😅

[@golden_kephri6716]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Maybe GW will buff them back up a little bit ;-; maybe just unnerf the Technomancer lol

[@GamingGuardians]

I feel this. I just finished painting mine and then the Balance Slate attacked. I have Legionaries painted. Balance Slate attacked. Am currently painting Plague Marines. Balance Slate attacked. I bet if I paint the Void Dancers the Balance Slate will attack. So if @canyourollacrit pays me 1 milion dollars I'll paint them and the Corsairs. Because the Balance Slate will attack them.🤣