Killer Instinct - Beta SNES (more animation frames) - Arcade [ E3 1995 Promo Footage ]

All footage seen on YT about the unreleased Killer Instinct game for Super Nintendo containing much more animation frames than the retail version. Why we did suffer such cut? (...) I Asked Ken Lobb without luck, but this question is always in my mind.

[@DrGreenThumbNZL]

One of the old Rare devs showed of a pic with a KI 2 snes proto tucked in the corner fairly recently

[@DarkbluesEXE25]

I Miss you RAREWARE Killer Instinct

[@euripidoeuropoide5943]

En una revista club Nintendo de 1995 dijeron sobre la demo que probaron que la animación era casi idéntica al arcade pero que solo faltaba el audio Quizás al incorporar el audio se quedaron cortos de memoria y recortaron frames de animación Es lo que puedo deducir a falta de mas información

[@ElCocheFantasticoYT]

En realidad, la demo del ECTS si que llevaba sonido, pero se aprecian bastantes ralentizaciones a la par de que faltaba mucho contenido (sfx, animaciones, gráficos, etc). Sospecho que en inicio iba a ser un cartucho más caro (48Mbit o SDD-1 comprimido) con algo más de animación, pero optaron por el camino rápido. Tengo minimo contacto con Robin Beanland (ya probé -sin suerte- con Ken Lobb), intentaré tantearle sobre este tema. Me fascina ver como una versión con tantisimos cuadros de animación corre en una Snes... quizá este proto (al igual que el Kiosk de Toys r'us) corria sobre un hardware diferente.

[@euripidoeuropoide5943]

@@ElCocheFantasticoYT Eres un crack! Pero disculpa en el vídeo que pones no es una demo jugable? Si es así corría en un cartucho de programador sobre un snes real

[@ElCocheFantasticoYT]

@@euripidoeuropoide5943 Si que es una demo jugable, pero no tiene por qué estar corriendo en una Snes real, sino una estación de desarrollo de Silicon por ejemplo o un devkit oficial de Nintendo. Soy más partidario de pensar que esto está corriendo en Hardware real y como bien dices los problemas de memoria puede que lo llevasen por este camino. Como comento, el juego luciría muy diferente si hubieran usado un cartucho de 48 Mbits o un SDD-1 con sprites comprimidos. Si existiesen medios como el actual chip "MSU-1" en la época, tendríamos un port muy fiel, como bien apuntas, idéntico a excepción de los "efectos 3D" del arcade real.

[@euripidoeuropoide5943]

@@ElCocheFantasticoYT Concuerdo colega e insisto era un crack en esto Disculpa que es SDD-1? Edito: ya investigué es un chip especial que podía ir en el cartucho y servía muy eficazmente para compresión de datos Y se usó en Street Fighter Alpha 2 de Super

[@vaaz_rodriguez]

@@ElCocheFantasticoYT Supongo que optaron por un cartucho mas barato de producir. Saludos.

[@krishrama]

WHOA.......... i cant imagine this is running on a snes!!? that is fucking incredible. the snes capable of such fluid arcade quality renders... some characters look more animated then in the arcade. just damn amazing!!! if this is how the game looked when ported to snes back in the day... almost like coming home to ultra 64. lolz epic. i hope this rom is found/released someday. along with ki2 snes proto.

[@atomicshroom]

It seems like this ROM doesn't have any voice sound effects for the combo announcements. I remember previews from magazines at the time lamented the absence of the announcer and showed screenshots with the weird circle patterns on the rooftop stages, so I can only assume they were playing this build or close to it. Since final game ended up having the announcer, if I had to guess, I would assume that cramming all the announcer voices in there for the combos and supreme/awesome victory announcements meant they had to cut back on sprite animations to fit it all in.

[@joejefferies7209]

I wish someone would make a game with better animations the way its supposed to be.

[@analog_ape]

It exists! Look for the KI SNES MSU-1 hack. Restores animations, particle effects, FMV...

[@consultorio9304]

Glacius is a cat

[@adidas1984x]

Lots of sound effects missing but cool find

[@zachreed1495]

If you watch around 4:10, the game slows down during the ultra. I'm guessing the animation frames had to be reduced in the final version in order to prevent slow down during larger/faster combos.

[@adidas1984x]

Much bigger characters

[@Malakaiii.u]

This can be played on a rom?

[@eduardoceron1861]

Gracias al MSU-1, se ha podido ver una versión con todos los frames y vídeos del Arcade, todavía faltan algunos detalles como algunos finales, pero está casi completo el hack que permite jugarlo lo más cercano al Arcade

[@advelectronica]

grabado en un cartucho de snes ?

[@Hoseh.]

Puedes compartir enlace o algo??

[@VictorRodriguez-ux8zi]

No están todos los frames del arcade, solo mejoraron las caminado y personaje en reposo, los golpes y los ataques no tuvieron cambios, aún así es una gran mejora.

[@eduardoceron1861]

@@VictorRodriguez-ux8zi no se que versión probaste, pero yo probé la última que se ha liberado, en esa ya sólo falta pulir algunos frames e incluir los finales del juego

[@VictorRodriguez-ux8zi]

@@eduardoceron1861 esa misma jugue yo la ultima version y no lleva todo los frames de arcade, le agr4garon los frames de caminar y en resposo a casi todos los personajes menos a jago, en casi todos los personajes faltan los frames de golpes del arcade, conservan los mismos que los de snes, solo orchid y combo tienen algunos nuevos frames de golpes directamente del arcade pero solo golpes estando parados, la verdad es muy buen hack pero aun esta muy lejos del monstruo de arcade en cuanto a cantidd de animaciones sprites y efectos graficos y sonorosz pero vale mucho la pena jugarlo y destadcar el trabajo que hicieron.

[@cristopheradams2796]

Yo deliro con el fanatismo por este juego jajajaja

[@gizaha]

First time i see this video, when it was hiding? I always thought that this version lacked the rest characters but probably i was wrong. Something will be missing from this rom for sure, there is no reason to remove frames if space wasn't a problem. Someone must search the retail rom for these sprites. Also i see sprites are bigger (Glacius for sure)

[@ElCocheFantasticoYT]

I Think that rom for sure is having twice the ROM size even with the missing characters, then trimmed the animations and add the rest of content ot fit in 32 MBits, I am pretty sure that if they would have use SDD-1 technology or a larger cart for this occassion we would have enjoyed that animations... the game is so close to the arcade :-( And now with the MSU-1 chip it could have been possible to add FMV and CD-Music... it would be like the arcade without 3D backgrounds :-(

[@gizaha]

I've already did the patch for msu music, it's on zeldix.net. In order to put fmv and fmv backgrounds it's a bit more trickey, but possible. But after all, the snes in stock hardware is capable enough for playing Ki like the arcade. It's only about rom size. The only thing i'm not sure it can do is 3d backgrounds at 30fps (although in this current e3 video, fx fighter is running good, but i'm not sure if it was from snes or pc dos).

[@ElCocheFantasticoYT]

The background on the arcade you know, pre-rendered stuff vs background layers, it's impossible to "emulate" it like the music. I think the "Winning" FMVs will be tricky also as it's not an static image, it's composed of an image and a text layer and don't know if the msu-1 allow video overlay with layers. Having the music and the FMVs for the winning poses would make me buying a sd2snes, hahah :-) Great job on the patch! ;-)

[@gizaha]

First of all forget the msu as playing music only. This is the easiest application of itself. You can hack the rom to read tilemaps (bg or sprites) from msu address. You can stream tilemaps to stage bacground bg1 and turn the screen to mode 3 for 256color background. Then you can have fmv stage background.

[@gizaha]

I realized that this rom was only for impress demo at E3. Probably bigger than 32mb. In pointer table 95240 and 96070 i found tons of deleted sprite addresses, so that beta rom i guess has almost twice the sprites.

[@icekokoro2708]

Can you imagine playing this at home back in the day? Bummer it probably would have been too expensive to have this much detail. Bet this is where a RAM expansion peripheral would have come in handy, I mean why have a port under the console?

[@sebastiann.8088]

What port under the console?

[@TheDarkwingj]

There is an port underneath the SNES for an unmade CD based unit for the SNES

[@RIFCHE23]

Orchid stage offer more building and better parallax... Orchid had bigger breast and they are animated... Glacius is taller. combo move better he is more animated... It's crazy... Like if his super nes version was something close to a real 32bits system.. '

[@Jolly-Green-Steve]

This is why they should have released SNES CD with Super FX2 chip/2x CDRom/4 meg ram in late 1994 so we could of had an amazing home port of KI1 basically arcade perfect. Also SNES CD unit should be stand-alone but also play standard SNES games hence the name. Retail for 249.99 with SNES Mario All-Stars compilation disk as pack-in.

[@odracircomix7359]

great vid

[@jun4466]

Despite the video title stating "SNES," perhaps this very well may be the ACTUAL N64 version that was never finalized? I still wonder what N64 version of KI1 would have looked like? Hope a dedicated programmer would produce a demo or sample video one day.

[@DaRKSLaiN-]

It's the SNES beta, confirmed with some devs. There's no footage of an actual N64 version.

[@DarkbluesEXE25]

Hay un escenario sin utilizar como el demo de la E3 del 1995 KI cuando Glacius vs Orchid y en el final de Chief Thunder visita la tumba de su hermano y aparece Spinal y este escenario eliminado es reciclado

[@ElCocheFantasticoYT]

En el ending solo se ve un layer (el suelo junto con la tumba), hay material del resto del escenario en esa demo?

[@euripidoeuropoide5943]

Es el fondo del stage de thunder Con la textura de roca repetida como suelo Nada mas

[@scm64entertainment44]

who's gonna get it to surface online?

[@holaqueonda4670]

las animaciones son mucho mas fluidaz

[@HelpTheWretched]

Wow, I've never seen this version until now. I know the announcer voice is iconic, but I would rather have the most animation frames, because when the game LOOKS choppy, it also FEELS choppy to play. On a side note, I went to a theme park in the mid-90s and their arcade had an early version of SNES Killer Instinct set up, a few months before it released. Now I'm wondering if it was this version.

[@burningwreckage00]

This was probably being run on a dev board or cart that did not have the space constraints the final had. It's likely the went with a cart with much less space for the final build the obvious reason of production cost. Carts and rom space was expensive in the day.

[@burningwreckage00]

Also from that orchid vs glacius video, there was a lot of slowdown.

[@Sakruei]

se veía mejor la fase beta

[@xunbekannt1572]

Interesting fact: Killer Instinct 2 was originally planed for te SNES, there even has been an extra KI2 Card in the Club Nintendo magazine!! But it was canned because SNES' hardware would have been too weak for it! Instead they took the source code and pumped up the speed and the soundtrack! The result was what we know as Killer Instinct Gold! The graphics where very weak for Ultra 64 levels because it was originally planned to be a SNES game!

[@inceptional]

They actually finished Killer Instinct 2 for SNES, so it could definitely handle it--well, at least as well as it handled Killer Instinct, which was pretty dang well. They just never released it, because they're plonkers.

[@ssppeeaarr]

@@inceptional man i hope it gets a starfox 2 situation. leaked and official release someday.

[@ssppeeaarr]

@@inceptional yup sounds great to me! but i wonder if there was more copies of the proto ki2 for snes... or did just that one dev at Rare keep it for himself.? cuz i doubt its locked away somewhere safe at their headquarters now. since they belong to microsoft i think? idk. sure someone there would have leaked it also if they discoverd it. lol. or Rare give nintendo any copy of the game before they parted ways. kinda sad if its lost to time that way though. but fingers crossed tho rare or nintendo secretly have a copy their holding onto.

[@KrisP408]

No there were two separate development teams working on two separate ports for SNES n n64

[@xunbekannt1572]

@@KrisP408 Could also be. But its save to say that te SNES could not handle KI2! So the SNES version was canned wich resulted in KI Gold! Like i said the official Club Nintendo Magazine had postcards in i think 1995 and one of it was KI2 for SNES! Still have it today. KIGolds graphics where relativley poor compared to other fighting games even on the weaker Saturn and Playstation Beat'em ups because it was made for SNES in mind.

[@gilpederiva]

I'm not sure if that was running on snes. Maybe it was running on computer. What do you think guys? But of course I'd like to see that version running on real snes, it was incredible.

[@DaRKSLaiN-]

According to devs, those versions ran on real snes hardware but with larger memory dev carts. The game even struggles in some points when some combos are done. The memory cuts were done later. The sprites missing could be filled as their memory positions are still residing in the game, but with the sprites cut in animation

[@chucks9999]

Nothing new to add but towards the end of the SNES lifecycle Rare was bumping into the constraints of 4MB carts; they weren't the only ones with this issue (see Capcom). While the SNES supports larger ROM sizes; I imagine most didn't see it worth the increased risk/cost, especially with more promising technology right around the corner. This mindset would also explain the cancellation of two other Rare projects in 1996. It is a shame we didn't see much bigger games being released for the console but game development is expensive, and so were the logistics behind advertising and shipping of the product.

[@gilpederiva]

​@@chucks9999 It'd be incredible if we had seen larger games coming to SNES, but unfortunately what we know is that the memory used in the cartridges was so much expensive

[@antonios25]

I think they lowered the frames in the final version because they wanted people to see an improve in the KI 2 gold in N64. I dont know is my guess

[@fhagane6821]

No, from a commercial point of view it would be uneffective (you don't release a product with less quality thinking about the next one in a "what if" scenario); what I think happened was that the game here was not running on snes hardware, and it was just a demo they then ported to the snes and then did the compression to fit it into the cartridge and they prayed it would run.

[@piratesephiroth]

it was probably because they were forced to use a small rom

[@roxanaotero3496]

Aparenta mayor fluidez

[@thomasgonzalez8985]

El proyecto de Killer Instinct msu1 seve similar y mejor que el del video, es lo que nos mereciamos al final :'(

[@DaRKSLaiN-]

La versión de MSU-1 la he jugado hasta la saciedad. De hecho el restaurar muchos de los gráficos (como el halo de frio de Glacius, los murcielagos de Sabrewulf o las partículas de Cinder), frames de animación... hace que el juego corra mucho más lento. En cualquier caso, a simple vista las animaciones de los personajes de la Beta están mucho más cerca del arcade que la versión MSU-1. Es parecido, pero "mejor" que el del vídeo... no.

[@Static0Z]

creo que seria para ahorrar megas

[@retorique]

Vaya joyas que tenías guardadas. ¿Tienes más videos de esa E3?

[@ElCocheFantasticoYT]

Lo siento Leo, no tengo nada más del E3 del 95, pero hay bastante material en KZbin. ¡Echa un ojo!

[@Lio2251]

Beta Killer Instinct :-o Rom Super Nintendo

[@Hoseh.]

Hay ROM de esto??

[@ElCocheFantasticoYT]

Nope

[@Hoseh.]

@@ElCocheFantasticoYT gracias, una pena.

[@holaqueonda4670]

ROM??

[@Hellgenio]

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