Killers of the Flower Moon - Movie Review

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Chris Stuckmann reviews Killers of the Flower Moon, starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert De Niro, Lily Gladstone, Jesse Plemons, John Lithgow, Brendan Fraser. Directed by Martin Scorsese.

[@trythebuffer]

Osage person here! When y'all see this movie, know that this is a only a chapter in our history. We do not live as victims today, though the effects of the Reign of Terror are still present. We are a proud, resilient people and our tribe is a strong nation. This story needs to be told, but just know that there's so much more to us than just this. Also, know that we weren't saved by what's now known as the FBI. Many cases weren't investigated, much less solved. Our people got through this chapter by relying on each other.

[@jeagerjeager9171]

Lakota sioux here! Does the movie portray what happened to your people correctly more or less?

[@cmu7108]

Wow what an intense comment. Thank you.

[@StevelyBruckShut]

That's admirable, I'm happy to hear it. More than I can say about other groups in this country that want to be perpetual victims.

[@musicmashups]

In regards to your last paragraph, I think that's one of the reasons why the decision to make Ernest and Molly the main characters over the BOI Agent was great for the narrative. We see just how long it takes for the government to actually get involved, and by the time they do it's too late to save many of the victims.

[@hunterthompson7182]

Fellow Osage here. You are exactly right

[@BobbyM817]

As an Oklahoman, this is a story I just found out about a few years ago. Same with the Tulsa Race Riots. These stories are ignored and forgotten and they don’t teach you about them in school. Even in a class called Oklahoma History which every student in Oklahoma has to take in High School. It’s a sad fact. I’m glad some of these stories are being told through films like this or HBO’s Watchmen.

[@mrg0th1er83]

And conservatives are working overtime to make sure these stories stay out of schools sadly.

[@jburdsinfuse]

I learned about them in school in the 90's. If you didn't, your school sucked. And I was in Texas, not the Northeast or some other "enlightened" area.

[@emcee6915]

There’s only so much time. You can’t teach everything. No matter what you teach you will always miss something. History has a lot of events in it

[@deborahblackvideoediting8697]

I read the book a few months ago and found it very sad that this story wasn't known. I hoped that a big-budget film would be made about it. About 30 minutes after finishing the book, I found out about this project! I was happy to know that this tragic and harrowing story will get the attention it deserves.

[@jburdsinfuse]

@@mrg0th1er83 Absolute strawman statement. The problem is that liberals want to rewrite history to paint America as the only country with a checkered past. It's the white devils destroying everything. EVERY country and culture has terrible things in their past. America is the most diverse, first world nation on the planet. That is an objective fact. There were literal pro-Israel and pro-Hamas marches in our capital this week. How many college women are in shorts, wearing make up, with their face exposed are doing this in the middle east? How many people in China and Russia are protesting their governments? China still has a million plus in slave labor. America is not the great white devil. We ARE imperfect, and we need to learn from the past, but not rewrite it to fit today's new "morality." That's what scares people- judging today's population based on sins of the past. Generalizing a groups of people, separating people based on race and skin color, censoring speech you don't like...none of these are conservative values. None. People still playing the conservative vs. liberal game are ignorant. And I mean it in the truest sense - uninformed. And the government, both parties, love you for it.

[@paradisecity0406able]

A Scorsese movie in theaters always feels like an event

[@jeffn4836]

I mean, any movie that’s nearly 4 hours better be an event lol

[@jasonsmith530]

A 3 1/2 hour event, so plan accordingly

[@atwunz]

I would say spielberg.

[@lightningcomet7307]

It will be my very first! Finally I can join the pantheon of moviegoers who have seen a Scorsese film in theaters! 🎉🎉🎉

[@johnohrstrom5112]

​@@atwunzthey aren't mutually exclusive!

[@keepingupwithculver545]

Just saw this movie in Japan in IMAX and was surprised to see how many Japanese people came to support this movie. The theater was full and it shows how much of an effect Scorsese has had on other countries styles of filmmaking. Will never forget that experience

[@thefirstbourne149]

He did make a movie surrounding Japan. That probably helps 😂.

[@keepingupwithculver545]

@@thefirstbourne149 oh yeah, forgot he did silence, my bad

[@jplosts]

He is also a pop icon, because of his movies in the 90's just like tarantino. Japanese people love it.

[@guerillawhite3083]

Who else was supposed to show up to a screening in Japan lmao

[@selena___]

I saw it in London in IMAX last night and was surprised to see the full turnout given its coming out on Apple TV. Exactly you just can’t replicate the cinematic experience and of course the visual medium is universal.

[@LoganNagol]

He truly does let the story speak for itself. There was really no climax or big emotional monologue to put people in tears. And it makes the movie feel even more real. Absolutely brilliant and I really don’t think I have seen a movie done in such a way. Like this movie is not meant to entertain people, it’s meant to tell a story he feels is important for people to know. And the ending of the movie was absolutely brilliant. He acknowledges that the movie could have had way more bells and whistles to make the movie more digestible for a mainstream audience, but chose not to for a reason.

[@lockekappa500]

You could feel a sense of reverence for the subject at hand. Like you said this wasn't a movie about twist and turns and epic plot points. It just told this story exactly as it happened, and did it in a surprisingly entertaining fashion.

[@Jonifico]

Lily's performance is deservedly getting most plaudits, but I just got to give it to Leo's incredible facial performance. The way he projects the discomfort and immaturity of his character at times is insane.

[@DarkAngelEU]

It reminded me alot of his Gilbert Grape performance. Going back to the roots

[@Jonifico]

@@DarkAngelEU Great reference.

[@stephanea5364]

Come on his sad emoji face was ridiculous

[@denizsevil1256]

I also remembered Billy Bob Thornton's performance as i watched Leonardo di Caprio... 6:59 9 hed 😢​@@DarkAngelEU

[@shibby9493]

Between this , Oppenheimer, and John Wick 4 (all phenomenal), goes to show longer films absolutely still have a place to see in theaters for the experience.

[@anarchisttutor7423]

I just wish they would bring back intermissions.

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

Oppenheimer bored me to no end, but I agree with the sentiment ;)

[@priuskiller]

Before I go on I am not against long movies, I am against there being too many long movies which is how I feel. Sometimes I do not want to spend a 1/4 of my day watching a movie at a theater and having to plan for it. Scorsese is one of the few directors where he does justify the long length but even with this movie it does not make me wanna rewatch it cause I have to plan way in advance to see it. Part of the appeal for me about movies is I can hop in for a set amount of time and see everything I need to and that gets lost to me with a length longer than 2.5 hours. That's all I have to say for now and yes I do like the movie, it's very well-made.

[@thecinematicmind]

@@anarchisttutor7423We desperately need Short Films back in cinemas

[@kalencwil3924]

@@interdimensionalsteve8172the underwhelming bomb test scene. Def didn’t need to go to the cinema to see it

[@ajtaylor8750]

Scorsese absolutely delivered with this film. A heartbreaking and gut-wrenching tale of murder, tragedy, sin, and revealing the wolves in sheep's clothing.

[@vedder10]

Basically the story of America.

[@NiPeMiRecenziiFilme]

And what was new? The movie is to long for its own good, the emotional moments are diluted by so many dead moments. Stop sucking Scorsese's dick, he's lost his touch. The movie is about an extremely important event but it's drags to long and loses all its meaning.

[@LuisSierra42]

@@vedder10 Sadly

[@EddieHenderson92]

LOL, poor Indians

[@Quinntus79]

I enjoyed it, but he could have cut about an hour out of it. If it takes more than three hours to tell a story, maybe consider making it a miniseries instead of a film.

[@claytonrios1]

Martin Scorsese really wants to bring true cinema back. It'll take more people than him to do it but he is still working hard and it shows.

[@kanishk2258]

it will need the fuckin audience to understand what actual movies and cinema are for that to happen.

[@claytonrios1]

@@kanishk2258 Like with this, Oppenheimer and stuff like that?

[@sidneyf00]

@@kanishk2258 my movie theater showed the film in one of the 2 biggest rooms. It was almost empty and it made me really sad

[@dicekolev5360]

People suck and every cinema experience I've had jn the last 10 years was meaningless. If not smelly, noisy or just dumb in the hall, the actual projection was unlit, cracling or just failing. I think I'm not the only one who will never step into cinema again and that's not because the actual movies...

[@kanishk2258]

@@dicekolev5360 well that's another problem too. In my country whenever I went to watch a 3d movie, the glasses were soo bad the whole movie use to feel blurry.

[@Bryan-gr6kn]

Jesse Plemons showing up felt like a super hero coming in their most desperate need.

[@Chrisy7]

dude finally got to play a good character

[@Rawyalty220]

@@Chrisy7😂

[@pumitriii6160]

This movie got me cheering for the FBI. Strange feeling considering their current state

[@xxgreenarowxx]

@@pumitriii6160 i think your point of view might be sewed at the moment is all

[@pumitriii6160]

@@xxgreenarowxx skewed, you mean? Yeah i suppose it is "skewed" from how they think they can influence our presidential elections with propaganda, obstruct investigations into certain politicians, label everyday americans as our biggest "domestic terrror threat" etc...They've forgotten their purpose is to fight crime, not people who have political views they disapprove of

[@shubhamtanwr_]

Martin Scorsese is living legend

[@TheProphegy]

80 years old and still killing it. Him and Clint are built different for filmmakers.

[@lincoln2324]

I think it's a privilege that we get to see these great two actors working together with a great director. Leo Dicaprio and Robert De Niro sharing screen is a dream come true for many of us. They only worked together once like 30 years ago when Leo was just a child, and they almost got together for Departed but De Niro couldn't because some agenda conflicts xd. Now it's finally happening and I'm glad

[@tiffanyl9827]

Greet and sad at the same time because Hollywood doesn't make actor of this calibre any more. There is nor more great actor almost since the super heroes movies trend.

[@benwasserman8223]

Being a massive fan of the book that inspired it, I was pleased by the ending of Killers of the Flower Moon. No spoilers but it does a good job emphasizing how such a terrible crime against the Osage was diluted by history. Little too long, but Scorsese killed it yet again.

[@EddieHenderson92]

Indians lost.

[@a_cowwithlegs]

i was wondering how they were going to end it the entire time, and the way they concluded everything was so clever.

[@Auntkekebaby]

The book gives a little more important details but Scorsese did a great job.

[@markant9534]

Because of scummy rich white Americans.@@EddieHenderson92

[@duduu8130]

Scorsese is such a legendary director after all these years he still has it 🫡

[@sylvesteruchia5263]

And will continue to have it forever.

[@zacharysieg2305]

Lily Gladstone deserves a nomination for sure! Just like Michelle Yeoh last year, her character wears a lot of hats in this movie (though not nearly as many!) Still, Molly is quiet until she is grieving, resilient until she is broken, and endearing until her last frame on-screen. Cannot wait to see what Lily does next!

[@ozbullymorales1020]

Mona Lisa

[@williammccormick984]

I mean...not really. Gladstone will get nominated, but don't compare her to Yeoh's EEAAO. That's just way more than Gladstone accomplished here.

[@IDONTKNOWMILLIGAN]

@@williammccormick984 Gladstone will most likely win best actress but i could see it going to Emma Stone

[@williammccormick984]

@@IDONTKNOWMILLIGAN I don't think that's true at all. Margot Robbie is going to be nominated. Emma Stone. Carey Mulligan has Marstro coming. Greta Lee should get a nom for Past Lives. Jodie Comer. Caliee Spaeny for Priscilla could be something. Color of Purple is still coming. There is no guarantee that Gladstone will get the win.

[@ssholeLicker]

@@williammccormick984Yeoh’s performance is massively overrated IMO. Kerry Condon was more deserving.

[@silviareyes136]

I've just left the theatre after watching this MASTERPIECE. Didn't think it was too long at all as every scene, every line, every detail was important. Got a bit emotional when I saw Martin Scorsese himself narrating the epilogue and the injustice in history. The pow wow drum beat is still playing in my head.

[@Locadel2003]

Its insane how Leonardo Dicaprio just gets more phenomenal in every movie. He did an excellent performance that its better than the last two of his movies Once upon a time in hollywood & Dont look up combined

[@NostalgiNorden]

He sucks. Can't act believably to save his life.

[@amaanminaj2466]

Agreed 100% he was amazing in this movie.

[@thegingergyrl455]

He pairs well with Scorsese.

[@pineapplezombie4953]

Tbh wouldn't say he is better in killers of the flower moon than he is once upon a time in Hollywood

[@Z3sty367]

Especially considering he could just lay back with many young women and all the money retire but still chooses to put on amazing performances 👏

[@aaden4888]

I was the only person in the theater watching this. Couldn’t have been more happier yet saddened to see Scorsese intro the movie thanking the audience and no there to witness great actors and storytelling leaving it all on set!

[@utaka78]

Lily Gladstone played so good in this movie.She was so sublime,yet so vulnerable and has a heart of gold💖

[@samuelzins5089]

As someone fairly young, getting to see this movie in theaters was amazing. What a film

[@alenchristian4599]

Watched in IMAX yesterday! This was brutal! I was waiting the whole time for someone to show up and do the right thing! Can't imagine what our leading lady and her family went through!! Martin very splendidly crafted human emotions and power of greed! And especially that ending scene ❤❤❤! I had my whole theater clapping and giving standing ovation in the end! This is cinema!

[@bobcobb3654]

That’s what I liked about changing the perspective from the FBI to the people who lived there. Other way, it might have felt like a Law and Order episode where the detectives show up an hour or so after the body is found. This way, by the time the FBI arrives, I was thinking the same thing as the characters, which was “What took you so long?”

[@bobcobb3654]

@@Noirlore the structure change has been mentioned in most of the pre-release interviews and reviews from people who read the book.

[@plebmike8997]

Trash movie. What happened to Martin making great films. 😢

[@Jay.McCarty]

I lost track of the number of time I, laterally, threw my hands up at the screen over Ernest performing, yet another, heinous act. Then reacting like it was the law of unintended consequences. Dude, it happened exactly like you drew it up.

[@jj-if6it]

Well the FBI came, I was surprised anyone even got arrested tbh

[@Gabriel-gv1mx]

I'm a longtime admirer of Scorsese. A die hard fan, let it be known. I also have no quibbles whatsoever watching a long movie. Paris, Texas is a long movie, and it's arguably my favourite film of all time. However, this felt needlessly long. Whilst I admired its nuance, I think it lacked tension and, despite its subject, it didn't feel as compelling or sure-footed as most of Scorsese's best films. Casino was a relatively long film, but it was rivetting. The heart was there, no doubt, but the focus seemed mired by its production and a foggy, opaque screenplay. Having said that, anything made by Scorsese is a cinematic blessing.

[@jaygatz4335]

Impressive film with an unexpected, but brilliant ending. Scorcese still has it, as do the lead actors - he is really dedicated to the art of filmmaking. I haven't seen Lily Gladstone before, and was wowed by her serene presence and subtle acting. I was surprised at how small DeNiro looked - when he first came onscreen, I didn't recognize him. And DiCaprio resembled Brando in a lot of shots.

[@camille2881]

Deniro is basically Palpatine here, smiling and saying he is Osage true friend, learning their ways and language. While behind scene is the mastermind of their destruction… Damn he even goes to the chief counsel giving 1000$ reward to find the murderer of a murder he himself orchestrated 😅

[@wonjoomin]

DiCaprio was on another level and his acting alone deserves a viewing of this masterful piece of cinema. First time seeing Gladstone and now her fan

[@thetruekhanofkhans]

Just bring back the intermission, please! My bladder can’t handle nearly 4 hours of cinema 😢

[@amywright3124]

Three and a half hours with great actors and a fabulous director and cinematographer is a gift.

[@SCharlesDennicon]

Not necessarily, no. All those talented people have directed or been in bad movies too. And three and a half hour have to be justified. It has to be a masterpiece, like Lawrence of Arabia... and KOTFM is no Lawrence of Arabia.

[@broadcasttttable]

With Scorsese you know its going to be an event. The unexpected icing on the cake was Lily Gladstone.

[@Poppomatic64]

27 year old here, I still cherish the moviegoing experience deeply

[@SCharlesDennicon]

After ALL those years? :D

[@Poppomatic64]

@@SCharlesDennicon Huh?

[@jamesmorant1406]

Martin Scorsese is one of the best directors of all time he's just keeps getting better and better

[@EddieHenderson92]

No, his prime ended over 30 years ago.

[@tomgu2285]

​@@EddieHenderson92 sure bro

[@EddieHenderson92]

@@tomgu2285 Don't fear the truth.

[@Fl0k5ser]

​@@EddieHenderson9230 years ago? The Departed, Hugo, The Wolf of Wall Street, yeah right 🤦

[@MM-jc7uv]

@@Fl0k5serSilence is one of his best films

[@HugoStiglitz88]

I remember hearing about this story on a podcast so when I heard Martin was making this into a movie, I was hyped because I can't remember what actually happens in the story so it should still be fresh to me. Plus who knows if they changed shit. Cool to see Gilbert Grape, Meth Damon, Encino Man, and the Trinity Killer in this too. It's cool seeing another excellent based on reality movie like this after Oppenheimer

[@Jimdunne_]

The chemistry between de Niro and de caprio was phenomenal and uniquely sinister. I hope that people pay attention to this deep message

[@hap8221]

What an incredible masterpiece, the best movie of the year (by far) and one for the ages. You have to let the film grow inside you to realize how magnificent this is, i think it need to be watched many times to aprehend the masterful writing. When i first come out of the theatre I was speachless and maybe a bit questionning about certains aspects (the length, the point of view, the ending, the camera) but the more I think about it, the more I found it better. Now I can't take away the movie of my mind anymore, it may become one of my Top 50 favorite movies ever. I've planning to see it again this saturday and may going back again next week. Everything is perfect : the glorious cinematography, the unbelievable quality of the costumes and settings, the haunting music of the great late Robbie Robertson, the acting (Gladstone, De Niro and DiCaprio are the most stunning acting trio i've seen for a long while and the supporting cast is perfect as well), the editing, the script, the direction... Everybody deserved an Oscar. I like Chazelle, Céline Sciamma, Chris Nolan, Alfonso Cuaron, Fincher, Ridley Scott, Inaritu, Bigelow, PTA, Bong Joon-Ho... But Scorsese is on a league of his own, an other planet, the last Giant. We are so lucky to be able to witness his art, may he keeps making at least 3 or 4 maserpieces because nobody does movies like that anymore. Western, romance, crime, historical : a true American epic like we haven't seen for such a long time, mixing the genres like only a master can do. I'm french (sorry if my english isn't really good ^^) and sometimes i heard people mocking american movies and im always disagree with them because even if most of Hollywood legends are all gone by now for a long time ago and that great american movies are getting increasingly rare, there is still one filmmaker which remains the best in the world and have never disapoints me in his 50 years of filmmaking. When Marty will be gone, it will break my heart in pieces. Not only because Scorsese is my favorite direct and the one who gave me my passion for cinema as a kid but because his death will mark the end of an era. Nowdays nobody (especially in this dying and ugly Hollywood) could make such a dark and powerful film, entertaining but profund, captivating but contemplative, incredibly violent and grim but yet sometimes very funny (yeah really) or heartbraking, a movie so political but which never feels forced, a movie that takes it time whitout following other big movies conventions. A movie that make you feel reel emotions : anger, wonder, sadness, despair, hope... Such complex characters in such a complex story with so much layers ! A movie that make you want to fight capitalism and/or to go make/watch more movies. I haven't feel awe like this watching a film since 2019 with Parasite, Once Upon A Time in Hollywood, Portrait of a Lady On Fire and The Irishman made by... the same Martin Scorsese. He is the best living filmaker and perhaps (at least for me) one of the best of all time. Sorry if my comment sound messy but this movie is so powerful, it overwhelmed me. I need some time and rewatches to find out where I put it in Scorsese career but definetely in the top 10 and it's my favorite of the year (and for now of the decade) for sure. It will no be for everyone but go see it if you like movies and if you are ready for that kind of slow, long, fascinating, beautiful, bleak, brutal experciences. The last part, those last 20 min, THAT last scene... My god, THIS is cinema.

[@acehood9953]

I really enjoyed it but it actually does get better the more I think about it. In hindsight it's a very unsettling movie. Very dark and disturbing.

[@broadcasttttable]

I like when you mentioned the three great actors the first one you mentioned was Gladstone. Not one of the proven legends, DiCaprio or Deniro. Was that intentional? She was an absolute revelation.

[@WeekendUpdate7]

Saw it in theater last night. Incredible pacing throughout the duration of the 3.5 hour film. Unforgettable performances from DiCaprio, De Niro, and Gladstone. Cinematography is top-notch. Does a great job of transporting you to 1920s Oklahoma.

[@_JesusIsLord_]

The running time didnt matter at all like it did for the Irishman for me.. that one just felt way too long.. I cannot emphasize just how immersed and in love i fell with this movie. The passion of the people who worked on this bursts through in every scene all the way to the end. I have to say it’s my favorite of the year.

[@ChristianKelley91]

It was good don’t get me wrong, however it was way too long! They could have fit it all in with a 2 hour runtime instead of what we got. 7/10 it was not the 9/10 or 10/10 that some are saying! Like cmon guys. Shawshank Redemption and Godfather are 9/10 10/10 movies

[@daniel_prophet9]

This movie was ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL!!!! A HUGE contender for Movie of the Year with Oppenheimer!!

[@Advent3546]

A world without Scorsese films is a world I don't want to live in

[@tiffanyl9827]

Kevin Feige and their Marvel Studio brand : "We are making movies !" Scorsese with Killers of the Flower Moon : "This is Cinema"

[@kingofpopbts2080]

Already saw it. Amazing! One of the best movies in this century. Performances of Leonardo DiCaprio, Lily Gladstone and Robert DeNiro are Oscar worthy. I once placed my bet on Oppenheimer as best movie of the year but now I change my mind...

[@Speakup111]

Just saw the movie. What a sad sad story. I'm glad they had a moment to mention the Tulsa massacre which happened before this. This is true history. This is still happening today, it's just dressed up in suits and ties. When will justice come?

[@jeromemaida4933]

It is not still happening today. Don't be stupid.

[@Jonifico]

I wish more critics went beyond the "could've been shorter" critique. As an audience we must learn to appreciate the storytelling process instead of the punchline. Like you said, every moment feels justified, making the story shorter would've reduced it to a more average production, which this totally isn't. One of the great movies of the decade that I'm sure will be more valued as time progresses.

[@Prodbyjah464]

I honestly don’t understand the length complaints, compared to the Irishman killers felt like a 2.5 hour film rather then 3.5. I also see people saying it should’ve had intermission but I just think that would ruin the whole experience, I was super invested in the story and the fact that it was real so for there to a break for about 10 minutes like half way through the movie would just ruin the immersion.

[@Jonifico]

@@Prodbyjah464 agreed. People can't appreciate art when they see it

[@Prodbyjah464]

@@Jonifico I mean I’m not tryna knock people, if they can’t watch 3.5 hr long films then that’s fine, I just think if they tried they’d realise it really didn’t feel that long.

[@GoodyBeats]

I found this movie was so boring. I understand the story of the movie is very important but overall it could not keep my attention and I’m sure only hard-core movie lovers will like this.

[@jeffmaas3138]

Says "fresh never frozen" as he pulls out the frozen food

[@seanhudson5090]

If I can get up enough money I'll go to the theaters to see it.

[@JajuanLogan]

It’s so good I was just sitting there in awe and I didn’t want it to end

[@finlaysonm]

This is an extraordinary story, rendered extraordinarily. So many critics have focused on the running time, and I get it, I'm getting a bit older and frailer too and tend to have bathroom facilities in mind if I plan to spend 3.5 hours anywhere. But the length is completely justified here and I am so glad I was able to watch the movie in a cinema. This is not a bunch of TV episodes cobbled together, it's a cinematic masterpiece from a master of the craft. But yes, give us intermissions back so I don't have to monitor my coffee intake before the movie starts

[@Dude_on_a_Map]

This film sparks conversation after you watch it, I’ve seen a lot of movies this year that I left the theater and never gave a second thought to. It’s nice to discuss a well crafted film.

[@MovieJustin]

Best film of the Year. Lily Gladstone hit a home run, best actress here she comes! The most nuanced character acting for me since Lupita Nyong'o in 12 Years a Slave.

[@hardcoreep]

Same here Chris. The theater experience is unmatched when done by the masters of cinema.

[@reesespieces8173]

Scorsese did not commit to making the Osage the POV. If that was the case, Mollie shouldve been the POV character. It wouldve been a more haunting, suspenseful experience to see the plot and story develop through solely Mollie's eyes. Seeing it through Ernest's, took away the weight and impact by showing everything that was happening underneath the veil of innocent coincidence. Mollie would've made for a better protagonist and the film would've been up there on Scorsese's resume as one of his best. Instead, it will be remembered as a mid-level film from him; of course superior to the majority of Hollywood but vs Scorsese's own catalogue, this film is outclassed by The Departed, The Irishman, Goodfellas, Casino, The Wolf of Wall Street, Taxi Driver, and Raging Bull. Making it slightly disappointing for Scorsese's excellent, inhuman standards that he has created for himself being the undisputed Greatest Living Director and arguably greatest to ever live. I'm glad this movie exists but it could've been better and more concise. He's shown that. He's capable of perfection and repeating it but KotFM is far from perfect.

[@broadcasttttable]

I just read a backstory note that said originally DiCaprio was going to play the FBI agent eventually played by Plemons. It was he (DiCaprio) who went to Scorsese and told him he thought the movie would be stronger from an Osage POV if he were part of a love relationship with an Osage woman. Seeing it solely through Mollie's eyes might have too much of a box office risk even for Scorsese, given Gladstone's experience compared to take-it-to-the-bank stars like DiCaprio and DeNiro, even though she knocked it out of the park.

[@idomaghic]

Completely agree; I do not understand the hype for this movie. After the first 15-30mins you knew exactly what was going on and the next 1-2 hours until the trial is basically a slog, repeating the same obvious message you already got. For the trial there's some tension and uncertainty, only to end up with the chilling, but very predictable, ending. And this is coming from a European who's definitely not particularly knowledgeable of US or native american history. From the POV the movie took, it could easily have told the same story in two hours. But if he'd have committed to a pure Osage POV, the runtime would likely have been completely justified. Important story to tell, just a shame it was told this way.

[@RPRsChannel]

---> *_I love that Wizardry where 3h+ just flows by and you think the movie only lasted 2h. Like Beau Is Afraid, Short Cuts, Babylon, Magnolia, Blue Is The Warmest Color, The Wolf of Wall Street, Silence, RRR, Return Of The King, Avengers: Endgame, the secret The Shining Director's Cut._*

[@zackerybarnett1890]

The film brilliantly sells Earnest’s humanized experience of how evil can creep its way into our lives, even if not intended.

[@brodz74]

3.5 Hours ? I’ll wait until it’s streamable!

[@jzeon1]

Wish I could see it like that too. Had to go to the bathroom multiple times and I missed important parts. Need to see it on netflix or something

[@CJKhaos]

Just got out of seeing this film. It was fantastic and I was engrossed throughout. What a year we are having. Two major big money blockbuster dramas in Oppenheimer and Killers of a Flower Moon. Both are going to be going head to head for all the Oscar’s.

[@matthewroth1]

One of the few times I disagree strongly with Chris. Definitely, not every minute of the movie felt justified (SPOILER). Just because this is an important story, doesn't mean this movie is free from criticism. There was a significant lull and drop in pacing after Molly's last sister died. Around 70-75% through the movie, it felt like 15-20 minutes could've been cut. There are also scenes where no subtitles exist so you can't really fully grasp the emotion in the scene, the movie could have benefitted from a few time stamps (during the FBI investigation, flashbacks and recent events kind of blur), and it felt like there were gaps of the movie cut in the lead-up to some of the deaths that could have made them and their resolution more impactful. There were several parts in the movie where the few friends I went with agreed either took us out of the movie or felt really slow or unnecessary. Oppenheimer is a much better example of an over 3-hour movie that really holds your attention wherein every minute actually felt justified and the pacing was more consistent all the way throughout. This is by no means a bad movie, but for a Scorsese movie, this is definitely on the worse side. The acting, cinematography, music, and set design, were all amazing, but c'mon, it was not as grandiose as you make it sound. We can all appreciate and respect the real story being told and being able to see a new Scorsese movie.

[@NineOneOneFx]

Lily Gladstone 10/10. What an OUTSTANDING performance!

[@youforget1000thingsaday]

There's a lot of trauma behind being an Indigenous person. . . This film broke my heart as an Anishinaabekwe. Cried plenty of times.

[@CharmedLocks]

💙💙💙💙

[@Mil_Bixby]

First hour drags. I looked at my watch and was like “you mean I got two and a half hours left?!” But when it gets to the investigation, that’s when the film gets really interesting. Need multiple viewings of this film to digest. Superb acting. Great storytelling. Wish the score was a little more menacing and sinister. Wanted more Lily Gladstone scenes. Ending was odd……

[@THEvagabond29]

Native navajo here, this movie had me throwing up sick in the end. Yes its all true, ive heard the stories, BUT ITS ANOTHER SEE IT (Scorsese and DiCaprio, and all the cast... hats off to you) and esp i learned of most of this from my own mom b/c it was during her time. Dam good movie and im privileged to have watched it. Its good to be seen again as a human Native... even if its for a few moments.

[@giants2k8]

I can’t wait to go and watch this in the theater next week. Because I loved the book and it’s probably the last film that I’ll get to see of Scorsese’s in theaters. I can’t wait to see Lily Gladstone, Leo and Jessie Plemons performances.

[@broadcasttttable]

You're right. Gladstone was a revelation, we know the excellence we'll get from Leo and DeNiro, but not many are mentioning Plemons. Terrifically understated performance.

[@robertjones7565]

The biggest crime of this whole sordid story was both Hale and Burkhart were eventually paroled with Hale receiving a full pardon from the then Oklahoma governor.

[@gogreen7794]

Oklahoma governors haven't changed. But then, neither have the people who voted for them.

[@714milky]

This movie is a masterpiece. I like how the middle of the film becomes a mob movie. The ending was pretty cool.

[@sylvesteruchia5263]

"Can you spot the wolves in this picture ?"

[@zachscheel3784]

“Every single minute feels completely justified“ I must have misheard this

[@adrianortiz6640]

Like many people are saying, this movie is way to long, but I'd like to start with what was the most obviously problematic issue for the movie - that it seeks to shed light on the largely unknown exploitation and murder of Osage people at the hands of white criminals, but tells that story almost entirely through the eyes of the white victimizers. That Scorsese chose to let the white villains be the focus rather than have the Osage tell the story from their perspective is a total head scratcher given that the only characters that are fleshed out in the book are the Federal investigators. I know Scorsese likes to explore the dark side of human nature, but DiCaprio and De Niro's characters are so one dimensional that the audience learns everything they need to know about them in the first 30 minutes. It's not as if Scorsese and Roth had anything meaningful to say about the human condition that would justify the choice of perspective. In the 3 1/2 hours of film, the Osage are largely silent and invisible, except as foils to the main characters' schemes. Also disappointing was that Scorsese chose to focus almost entirely on the murders, without giving a fuller accounting of the breadth and scale of the exploitation. Two major issues were addressed briefly, but I would expect that many in the audience who hadn't read the book wouldn't feel their weight or even understand their importance . One was that, despite a murder count that many estimate to be in the hundreds, local police did not arrest or convict a single perpetrator before the events that take place in the film. The audience gets little sense of he climate or the perspective of the Osage as to what is happening to their community. The second is that the Osage had to "prove" financial competency in order to have control of their own money. Since the arbiters of competency were white, most Osage were forced to have a white "guardian" who doled out money at his whim. This led to a local criminal network who overcharged, skimmed, and stole from the Osage for decades. There was so much interesting material that would have made for a much more compelling story, but Scorsese ignored or glossed over them. All in all this was a huge missed opportunity - and a bad film to boot. I don't think it's a requirement for a writer or director to come from the culture they are depicting, but this is a perfect example of how a lack of perspective can spoil an important story. Vintage Spike Lee might have given a story like this life, but Scorsese was clearly not up to the task here. On the tails of Reservation Dogs, which was such a delightful and thoughtful exploration of Native American life, this movie failed to deliver anything more than a standard Hollywood take of events.

[@lutherhollis1038]

My mother and grandparents are from Pawhuska. I lived there for a short period of time also. My grandfather told me stories about this and when he and my grandmother worked for some of the families portrayed in the film. It's a lot to take in.

[@Moriningland]

Let’s soak this up We have the privilege of experiencing one of cinemas finest directors final films on the big screen.

[@k-slay4407]

It's crazy that Scorsese, Nolan, and Fincher all have films out this year. The movie Gods have blessed us. 🙏🏾 😁

[@Commenter5651]

Its an absolute masterpiece. I just left the theatre, and random people from my screening were gathered in the lobby discussing it afterwords. Ive only seen that happen a handful of times in my life. 10/10 movie.

[@mikejunior211]

It happened to me when I left the theater after watching Sound of Freedom.

[@Commenter5651]

@@mikejunior211 Was the discussion about all the sexual misconduct accusations the guy that inspired the movie has been accused of?

[@harryboi8485]

For me, this movie is Scorcese’s magnum opus. Every frame felt so powerful and that is saying something for a movie as long as it is. I can’t believe some people are avoiding this film because of the length. It’s a masterpiece.

[@minaDesuDesu]

I really agree. I havent felt this much gut wrenching for so long. The cinematography and the plot and the acting. I just cant get over it

[@DewayneWalker-v8v]

It sucks though that my theater was dead only like 10 people

[@garrybaldy327]

Three and a half hours and not for one moment did I yawn and look at my watch. It's a masterpiece.

[@ktom5262]

It's strange that nobody mentions that Saltburn and Killers Of the Flower Moon present different versions of the same story - an immoral impostor and cheat wants to infiltrate a priviliged group in order to take over and possess what they have, and doesn't shy from crime/murder if necessary.

[@Sluglove]

I completely disagree with the pacing assessment. It was pretty bad tbh

[@razzprince2877]

Remember a few years ago when Scorsese said comic book films aren't real cinema and people scoffed..... Dont ever question a genius when he's talking about his craft

[@amirgarcia547]

I absolutely make sure to be in theaters every time a Scorcese movie is in theaters. The last one I saw was Silence, which was amazing even if I saw it in a completely empty theater. And with the Irishman, I only ended up seeing it on Netflix due to it only getting a very limited release. And so I’m entirely looking forward to seeing both Dicaprio and Scorcese back together again with this film, and I’m entirely glad that Apple decided to give it the wide release it deserved.👌🏽

[@CodPatrol]

Does he struggle making it in a different language or does it still have his style and watching ability?

[@shadow.banned]

We're lucky we got Martin to make a movie like this and not anyone else. He's having a great career finale.

[@samuellee257]

This film is soooo incredibly fast paced! It felt like a 6 hour film condensed into 3.5 hours! Really rooting for Lily Gladstone for her first oscar nom! I really hope this film does well in the box office.

[@legodestroyer11]

I heard the exact opposite

[@I.G.S.A.N.A.G.M]

​@@legodestroyer11Yeah mid way to near the end is pretty slow but works because it doesn't make you forget the characters.

[@acehood9953]

It's fast for a 3 n half hour movie. It's still very slow by other movies standards. Thought it was amazing though.

[@Chrisy7]

I didn’t check the time till 3 hours later. The pace is great and I was always invested in the story. maybe a skill issue idk

[@terrysilvester4720]

I wish i felt that pace. I really struggled with the length

[@user-dm2hr3qk9l]

If De Niro wins an Oscar for this the Oscars are dead to me.

[@mikejunior211]

Right on. De Niro performance spoiled the ending for me. Horrible acting..His bad people face and gestures gave everything away.

[@Mars8611_]

It’s become a cliche’d phrase at this point but the “banality of evil” that you referenced is so chilling in terms of how awful things often rise from seemingly normal people having normal conversations. I would recommend the HBO movie Conspiracy with Kenneth Brannaugh and Stanley Tucci. A really brilliant film about the leadup to the holocaust which really shows how horrific acts can be the result of “banal” bureaucracy.

[@kittyclubhouse]

Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert DeNiro - Scorsese's two favorite muses together in one film. Magic!

[@TheCollekterMoviesMusic]

This movie was absolutely phenomenal.

[@EddieHenderson92]

LOL

[@mikef7698]

​@@EddieHenderson92wut

[@aidanlastname0187]

@@EddieHenderson92You haven’t even seen it, yet you keep hating on it. I’ve seen you on multiple review videos for this film

[@EddieHenderson92]

@@aidanlastname0187 Poor cupcake.

[@acehood9953]

​@@EddieHenderson92It's actually a great movie yano. I don't know if you're just wanting to troll or you didn't like it, but if you haven't seen it go watch it!

[@8teenOfficial]

The best part of watching this film is to my mom so happy because she saw Leo again on the big screen since she saw Titanic the first time back in 1997.

[@rics1883]

Acting from Lily Gladstone was stellar, she outshone Leonardo. Just like Cate Blanchett in The Aviator

[@Fl0k5ser]

And Margot Robbie in The Wolf of Wall Street

[@nathanbujanda-cupul9222]

Spoiler WARNING: Spoiler WARNING: Spoiler WARNING: Spoiler WARNING: I don't think it's accurate to say they fell in love. While Mollie was capable of giving Ernest a chance, welcomed him into her home, defended him from her distrusting family, Ernest was never capable of that. He claims to have loved her, but I think he instead mistook love for an extreme fondness of her physical appearance and intellect. I think he never loved her, or he would have have been unable to allow the others he knew to continue doing what they were doing. If it were love, the few efforts he put into prolonging her death should have extended beyond her to the entirety of the Osage Nation. Instead, the energy he expends to protect anyone is simply to protect her, because *he* likes *her*. From his perspective, he thought himself a generous person for going out of his way to keep Mollie safe, like it was his good deed in life. Of all of the people in that story, his character is the one I expected to see suddenly have a lightning bolt moment, as he repeatedly claims how much he loves Mollie to the other coyotes- I kept thinking, ok *that* was the last straw, surely he'll put an end to this now and beg for forgiveness? Because he has so many chances to see what he's doing to this family, how *inhuman* he and his coyotes were. But it never happens. His grief and sorrow is never genuinely about Mollie. It's about himself being present to witness Mollie's suffering. He cries only for what *he's* suffering, not what Mollie's suffering at his hands. He sobs and has a tantrum when their son dies, but when Mollie's siblings are executed one by one, he has almost nothing to show.

[@nathanhaney91]

Chris...LONG TIME fan of the channel here. "Every minute feels completely justified." LOL completely disagree, Sir! This film was so bloated - especially in its second act. Critical Drinker's review says it all. I'm no hater of long running times either. My all-time favorite film, Heat, runs at 170 minutes and I think it is ALL justified. Same case (or close to it) with Oppenheimer too. Not this film. Not by a long shot. Don't take this the wrong way, but ever since you stopped grading, I feel like you just play it safe with all your reviews these days.

[@ac2leung]

Great review as always! This is showing in IMAX here in HK, and planning to watch in IMAX vs regular screen, esp since it’s a Scorsese film and with beautiful cinematography. Can’t wait!

[@muaddibnelson]

I’m so excited to watch my first Scorsese film in theater! KOTFM is one of my most anticipated films of the year!

[@anaszakiri]

This is cinema, Scorsese is an absolute legend .

[@robbielex]

I knew Lily Gladstone was going to make it big when I saw her in Reservation Dogs. What an amazing actress. She really made a good impression on me in that amazing series.

[@katobrucelee08]

first time I saw her was in Winter in the blood. I was really suprised to see her more and more and wish her the best in her career!

[@Fl0k5ser]

First time I saw her was in Kelly Reichardt's Certain Women (apparently that was also the movie where Scorsese discovered Gladstone) then First Cow and I'm still trying to search where to watch for her new movie, The Unknown Country. She's a gem in the indie genre

[@katobrucelee08]

@@Fl0k5ser I'll have to check out certain women

[@CrystalMouse1]

I was the one Indigenous person in theater rocking my blanket

[@GabrielRosas1985]

DeNiro had the best performance of this cast. No cap.

[@Fl0k5ser]

De Niro plays a bad guy was something I was looking forward too.

[@bobcobb3654]

I like that he and DiCaprio didn’t go all in on the Southern accents. Since many of the other actors and the real life tribe members are real Southerners, it would have been awkward if DeNiro went full on with it like his character in Cape Fear.

[@GoalieOfUnholy]

@ 0:25, The Osage Indian murders didn't just "spark a major FBI investigation," they literally spawned the actual FBI. It's the subtitle of the book that this was based on, "The Osage Murders And The Birth Of The FBI."

[@Kevinhamradio]

The ending of this film was brilliant, one if Scorsese's finest.

[@Fl0k5ser]

Probably one of the best Scorsese endings in years. Brilliant cameo, had me laughing when the person appears 😂

[@connorh1546]

The arc that DiCaprio goes through in the movie was almost the exact same type of arc that Brando’s character went through in On the Waterfront.

[@snorowl]

It really feels like Scorsese is in incredible form. We're lucky as movie lovers to have still have him making strong, visually stunning, meaningful films. I think this one might go down as one of the most important movies in his filmography.

[@rameshtas]

Insulin was discovered by Dr F. Banting in 1921, but in this movie with a plot of 1920, patient was treated with Insulin. Any explanation?

[@TrafalgarL4wyer]

The book is fantastic and I think it’s largely thanks to that, not surprised it turned out well. Excited for this

[@MrShaunhunter]

Interesting, I’ve heard other reviews that say this film isn’t really from the view point of the Osage people. Can’t wait to watch and judge for myself!

[@r0kus]

Thank you for the review. I'm fortunate enough to remember watching the television show _Growing Pains_ in the early 90s. They brought Leonardo DiCaprio on during the last two seasons because the other teen leads had the charisma of a dried-out piece of wood. I didn't know who he was, but his presence, even on a situation comedy, stood out beyond anyone else on the show. Or most other shows, to be honest. It's not surprising he still has that presence today.

[@PassiveAgressive319]

For anyone who complains that it 3.5 hrs long, just remember we can easily binge a series of Loki without batting an eyelid (bathroom breaks permitting 😅😅😅😅)

[@GRIMJIMTV]

Don't eat stuff that's wrapped in plastic - there I said it.

[@mikejunior211]

Not even TV Dinners?

[@spawncampe]

So don't eat anything