Killzone 3 is a Beautiful MESS

[@shreksnow1918]

One of Killzone 3’s BIGGEST missed opportunities is the fact the civil war didn’t happen earlier in the game. Having the Helghast military and Stal’s forces would’ve been a great way to shake up the gameplay towards the end. It also would’ve been great if the standard ISA forces were to join up with some Helghan dissenters. That would’ve been a great way to show how the people of Helghan were by no means monolithic and explain how you still have a bunch of allays.

[@lVlonkeyman]

Forget Bloodborne. Give us a Killzone pc collection. Please Sony

[@evprince]

Seriously yes!

[@JustxLiving909]

SOCOM U.S Navy seals

[@sprogg11]

There's not even a good collection for killzone on the PlayStation store. You have to stream. It's criminal. Remasters would be nice to see.

[@J.Wick.]

yesssssssssss

[@charaznable8072]

I wish they would also have online mode back too the operations mode for KZ3 was so fun.

[@groovymckraut7179]

Good video man, I remember I had the book adaptation of this game, it fleshes out so much that is just skipped/ignored in the game The book ends with Sev contemplating that he just genocided the helghast then forgets about it and decides he’s gonna ask Jammer out on a date when they get back to earth

[@evprince]

Oh man we could have used that in the game gbh.

[@eyegrinder94]

On the topic of Sev's hair, you don't need gel, that's just something you can do when you haven't washed your hair in a long time. Look at pictures of Lincoln; that's pure scalp grease.

[@MightyMurloc]

Radec from KZ2 is my personal epitome of a "Sparsely used, but Devastatingly effective", villain. I was late to the PS3, but honestly, seeing him in the opening, alongside Visari, was enough for a purchase. Edit: It helps that I both like Malcolm McDowell, and Ray Winstone

[@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507]

Killing both off in 2 was stupid

[@evprince]

Honestly Radec was too good, the other villains feel lame in comparison.

[@CondemnedMarine]

This is definitely the most fun one to play gameplay wise, but Killzone 2 just hits harder. Before you play the mediocre Shadow Fall, give Liberation and Mercenary a shot. You'll be surprised at the quality

[@evprince]

Already played Liberation, but Mercenary is coming up! I also agree, Killzone 2 just hits so hard.

[@winlover37]

I will honestly will never understand the lukewarm reception these games got. I've played nearly every notable FPS starting with Wolfenstein 3D up to now. Killzone really stands out to me with its gritty art style, powerful weaponry, and sound design. There's just nothing else like it, a highly polished but unapologetically brutal and ultra violent work of art.

[@Jojo-nq3bp]

the "gritty mil-sim" was a ps3 plague and killzone fell into the trope

[@winlover37]

@@Jojo-nq3bp I guess I'm the target demographic then because more please

[@Jojo-nq3bp]

@@winlover37 please no 99% of those games were uber generic the way everything wants to be a soulslike these days. out of all the killzone games,2 is great the rest are not. you can tell they wanted to move on furing shadowfall

[@winlover37]

@@Jojo-nq3bp That's how I feel with almost every FPS looking sanitized with goofy "fun haha ecksdee I LOVE killing!" operators nowadays. FPS still has a ton of generic games now, they're just more colorful and marketable to children now than they were then. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[@Jojo-nq3bp]

@@winlover37 fps games in general are some of the most boring and generic games you can find out there . few like halo (1-reach/infinite) and nu doom stand out. the gameplay loop in these games are usually not engaging

[@shreksnow1918]

Sony should’ve brought back this and Resistance instead of wasting EIGHT YEARS and 200 MILLION dollars on Concord. Both of those franchises have an already existing fanbase and people who are curious. Even if it was only a marginal success that’s still better than what happened with Concord and will happen with Fairgame$ (the writing is on the wall for that one as well).

[@AD3SPG]

That price was apparently updated to 400 million 💀

[@shreksnow1918]

I saw that. I’m cannot think of the words to articulate just how dumbfounded that a Guardians of the Galaxy/Overwatch bootleg can cost anywhere near that much to make. The lower estimates didn’t any sense either for what that game offered. Sony being delusional/out of touch enough to think they could have Concord be their Star Wars (it’s their Acolyte😂) doesn’t surprise me at all. After all we’re talking about the same corporation that was gaslit into rereleasing Morbius into theaters where it flopped again🤣.

[@night6724]

@@shreksnow1918sadly Guerilla doesn’t care about Killzone anymore. Maybe Sony can hand the series to someone else Also bring back Resistance

[@shreksnow1918]

@night6724 Yeah, I saw that. We also learned from the Insomniac leaks that NOTHING Resistance related is in the pipeline. The ONLY way I can see another entry in either series happening is if Sony assigns some of their other studios to it, or if we get something fan made.

[@phoquedisshit1710]

Oh look it’s another sheep obsessed with concord because he watched KZbin videos. gamer discourse is so garbage when you guys wear your weird obsessions on your sleeves. Bubububu what about bloodborne 🤡🤡

[@atomictoaster3393]

we could have killzone 4 instead of concord, the fuk is sony thinking

[@charaznable8072]

Because Guerilla is making Horizon games so they don't have time.

[@rexthewolf3149]

@@charaznable8072yep. Both horizon games individually sold more than the entire killzone trilogy.

[@charaznable8072]

@@rexthewolf3149 If they want a new KZ to succeed they have to make it open world like Far Cry, these days linear FPS that are say 8 hours in campaign just don't really sell anymore in the AAA arena, the mass audience just doesn't care all they want is open world and 50+ hour games.

[@rexthewolf3149]

@@charaznable8072 At that point your better off making another Horizon. Shooters like killzone can and are still successful, it’s just outside of a few examples they aren’t going to sell 24 million units. Which is what HZD sold. Killzone two and three sold 2-4 million units each is which good Rachet and Clank usually sold those numbers except for ps4 which sold 8 million.

[@AD3SPG]

Yeah didn't robocop do somewhat well being linear ? open world is just too common and bloated

[@Oppen1945]

I always saw Rico as a reflection of the Helghast. He hates them as much as they hate Vektans. So his hatred resulting in his death similar to how the Helghasts hatred and need for Conquest indirectly resulted in the death of everyone on Helghan seemed fitting. Also I find it really funny how you went throughout the whole video without mentioning Natkos absence. Or rather demotion to coop buddy since it's obviously not Rico. Moreover I think a prequel game taking place during 1st extrasolar war would be a nice comeback for the franchise. I would even settle for a book detailing that time. Like the politicking between Earth gov and the Helghan administration leading to the first war showing how both sides contributed to the increased hostilities of Vekta and Helghan (Helghasts still aren't the good guys despite what many in the community would like you to believe).

[@evprince]

I actually WAS going to bring up Natko! I just kinda forgot while writing the script. What DID happen to him I wonder...

[@FrostbiteDigital]

@Oppen1945 Oh... It's you. "despite what many in the community would like you to believe" They're not "good guys" sure. But the thing is, you in particular have been debunked on so many occasions regarding the Helghast, who according to you "aren't the victims" when in fact they ARE (the lore literally supports this) and time and time again you've been proven wrong despite your stubbornness. I remember those posts you made on that Helldivers 2/Killzone video lol

[@Kenneth86666]

Wish they would make more Killzone games. I never understood why people hated on these games. I really enjoyed the series..

[@rexthewolf3149]

People didn’t hat these game, it’s that they bleed into all the other games coming out at the time. Considering that Horizon’s 1 and 2 sold more that 10 million units, which is more than the entire trilogy put together and then some, killzone won’t be coming back anytime soon.

[@hollowatelier]

Thanks for the retrospective! Really makes me wish for a Trilogy release on PC. Even if the story for the first and third is... lackluster, the game-play always gets better. I'd like to just be able to play the 2nd game again. If the price of admission required the other two, I wouldn't mind it. As for the trope: A Mary (or Gary) Sue/Stu doesn't have to be the protagonist, they just have to be a character where the universe bends it's back to reward and otherwise, fail to punish their flaws (if any exist.) They can do nothing wrong. Even when they make a "mistake" it's never something that actually costs them anything. They tend to have non-consequential or non-relevant flaws. Rico is the one character I routinely hated throughout both Killzone 1 and 2. To Find out he doesn't get punished in some way for Killzone 3 just makes me feel disappointed at best and really annoyed at worst. He should have suffered something for escalating a war that was functionally over. The one character that honestly deserved to suffer, SOMETHING, got a slap on the wrist and I'll never understand why. I've never experienced the 4th game, so I would be curious to see how that holds up. So that's my vote for it. Thanks again!

[@evprince]

I'm gearing up to dive into Shadow Fall soon. It was frustrating to see how much they bent things to avoid growing Ricos character and I'm glad to see I'm not alone in wondering why this happened!

[@0uttaS1TE]

I never played KZ3, or any of them for that matter, but 3 always held a place of nostalgia for me. Mostly because I managed to find a copy of the game's novelisation back when I was 13 or so. It's weird how the book manages to keep the "war is hell" vibe from the second game better than the actual game, especially when describing the swamp. I still remember it pretty well.

[@Awiatar]

I tried emulating Killzone 2 and 3 on my PC, ending up with performance issues couple months ago. Mainly I wanted emulate Ratchet and Clack Future Saga but these games were crashing after couple of minutes of playtime. My last decision was to buy PS3 to go back in time to see what did I miss during my childhood

[@crnlonewolf3195]

I really like the design of the helgan snow troopers but also like isa design of their soldiers they kind look rebellion

[@glozwellvonzergelflerven7405]

I guess I agree that the story isn't quite as impactful but KZ3 will always be a special game for me as it was the first time I really got hooked on a shooter's online multiplayer. Really miss this series.

[@R1ck_Ryder]

Loving these transition slides man!

[@castjet9898]

I can’t wait to have a powerful enough PC in 7 years, to play this games in RPCS3

[@mahic98]

Actually been enjoying your retrospectives and I'm sure I'll enjoy this one too. Keep it up man!

[@evprince]

Thank you so much man! Got even more in the works coming soon!

[@5hane9ro]

Killzone is probably forever my favorite Sony Franchise. Kz3 is flawed in its writing, but GOD it's a fun game. Remasters KZ2, KZ3, & Mercenary for Ps5 & PC already!

[@FrostbiteDigital]

10:00 You want to know the more ironic and morbidly hilarious part about all this? This also includes Jan Templar, you know... The old war buddy who's death had greatly saddened and enraged him? The very same man who just to happened to be leading the invasion? The guy who made it clear that capturing Visari was the mission and THE WHOLE POINT OF THE INVASION TO BEGIN WITH?!? So not only did Visari's murder at the hands of Rico dammed the remaining ISA forces and made the whole point of Operation Archangel completely null and moot, but Rico also inadvertently pissed all over his friend's grave by doing the ONE thing he WASN'T supposed to do. Templar scarified himself for nothing, good job Rico...

[@danielkong6767]

Another homerun of a video, the love you give for the killzone franchice is exactly what i’ve been looking forward to. Looking forward to the sequel, and maybe perhaps the handhelds? I also have a weird suggestion: lost planet 2 from 2010. Works on xbox series and one. A co op monster shooter campaign unlike anything to this day, still playable online. Would be happy to play it with you. I’d wager my car you would love it.

[@evprince]

Ohhh, the lost planet games would be cool maybe in a year or two! As for the handhelds they'll be covered in the full compilation video!

[@danielkong6767]

@@evprince you are truly the saint that keeps on giving prince! If you ever get down to that LP2 video, i strongly recomenf you play it co op online though, on xbox(since it still has servers up) nothing like taking down a six legged, giant snail inside/outside its belly with a mate. Either way, keep up the great work!!

[@DJGHOSH]

Rico, by far, is one of my leadt favorite vodeo characters of all time, right there with Leandros 🤣

[@AlexGreat321]

Rico was cool in 1. But then he became a complete idiot

[@regularsizedrudy5340]

Hes horrible. One of the worst ever. They also dont even sort of explain what happened to Natko. He just disappeared

[@stormeaglegaming5395]

Killzone is one of the best underrated gaming series from the Playstation

[@evprince]

Absolutely.

[@phoquedisshit1710]

Great video. KZ3 was such a fun ride. Bummer that KZ4 was such a letdown despite the wonderful tech behind it. Makes sense they ended up moving to Horizon given the market shift towards third person games and the KZ franchise ran out of things to say about its world anyway, but I do miss the Resistance/Killzone attempts at ambitious sci-fi romps

[@evprince]

I'm working on the KZ4 video now! I actually loved it...

[@satnav1980]

27:37 This level looked amazing to me the first time I saw it. Still looks great.

[@trashymc4564]

Comment for the algorithm! Your whole restrospective has been a blast.

[@evprince]

We love algo comments here. Glad you enjoyed it man!

[@ChairmanKam]

1:14:28 Oh look, it's the ending of Wing Commander 3.

[@nikosmosxos5856]

killzone 3s audio was messed. some weapons were louder than others and dialouge felt unnaturally loud as if the mics were too close to the actors

[@SoundWaveSam]

EP with another one. Look forward to it

[@evprince]

You know it brother

[@tvirus9369]

I got the Killzone 3 ps3 bundle, this was the first game I ever platniumed

[@chubz8969]

everyone always asks where is natko. but nobody ever asks how is natko. poor guy

[@charaznable8072]

"Pc emulation through your legitimately owned copy" Sure yeah a legitimate copy is what I always use for emulation...

[@anjetto1]

Man, I fucking love Malcome McDowell. I don't think there's a better actor who has only been in terrible things. Outside of Caligula and Clockwork orange, he's only been in garbage. 40 years of garbage. But Mann he ALWAYS brings 110% to every role. Every time. Amazing dude

[@johnnybensonitis7853]

You always hate to see a game's vision become somewhat comprised, especially when it's a sequel within a franchise. I'd been on board since KZ way back, so the narrative in this game made it very difficult to stay immersed. I enjoyed the gameplay just as much as the characters/story, but it was hard to not feel pangs of irritation when certain characters would just cracking "jokes". That part in the chopper where you've been taken prisoner was a real vibe-killer specifically because it felt like there were about to be some serious stakes until Dipshit McGee start talking shit. The guards should have tuned his ass up hard, but of course the were ordered that no harm come to him....ugh. It seems like a touch game dev/publisher situation where the previous game didn't sell well despite the glowing reviews, and since these games in particular were incredibly expensive to make (and the money is on the screen boi damn dem graphics) it meant getting more conventional with the design of the third entry. And in doing so they game was able to get a fat heap of money poured into it once again as Sony must've really believed in the Killzone IP or the devs or both.

[@AD3SPG]

Maan i wish they would do a port or remaster 1-3 + mercenary to PS4/PS5 i literally only played mercenaries and Shadow fall.

[@ammarahmed7566]

Mercenary has a great story

[@ammarahmed7566]

29:55 Mercenary is a stealth game

[@spencerstevens2175]

KZ2 > KZ3 by a mile

[@evprince]

Agree

[@GuyMusic21]

Killzone 2 is the best FPS ever made I dont care waht anyone says.. was like the first time I played Gears of War all over again.

[@1986BNick]

I always thought both The Vektans and Heghastians should have just tried invading some third fast populating planet that models itself after Afghanistan and Vietnam all rolled up into one mean allegorical guerilla army that actually looks like todays' modern soldiers because that would be old fashioned looking to their story.....

[@FrostbiteDigital]

The plural is "Helghast" or sometimes "Helghans". "Helghastian" isn't a word lol

[@jond.4519]

I played this game on the ps3 with the ridiculous move controller gun 😂 it was cool for the first 10 minutes

[@ammarahmed7566]

You NEED to review merceneary then shadow fall

[@evprince]

I'm working on the Shadow Fall script now! Mercenary will be part of the full series video. Planned for December.

[@ammarahmed7566]

@@evprince looking forward to your video, really liked your style, even though you played it first time but had a very keen eye for details !

[@bartekp7049]

We all know that.... Helgast did...

[@charless1145]

Wait, new-hitler gets killed and the whole allied army is just... leaving? That's not how it works

[@itsterres]

if u thought the story is weird boy u havent seen shadow fall

[@inslayerclone4679]

Do KZ mercenary and shadow fall

[@evprince]

They're coming!

[@Nicolatteaur]

Thank you for another well done and spectacular video! Now I am curious if you ever gonna do videos about Resistance: Fall of Man, that are the same but not the same as KZ.

[@evprince]

It's highly requested, so maybe! It sounds cool!

[@FisnikMeqa]

Find killzone 3 ps3 ❤

[@Desperado583]

algo comment

[@evprince]

🙏

[@ApokPsy]

Heads up. Your tags are for horizon not killzone.

[@anthonyayre2910]

Halo kicks its ass😂😂😂😂😂

[@vatwormindustries2767]

Best looking scifi? How about Mass effect😂

[@tvirus9369]

Yea with mass effects 3 wack ass ending 🤣🤣🤣