Killzone: Shadow Fall Deserved BETTER

[@s955120]

I see several common about ISA giving half of Vekta to Helghast after them "winning" the war didn't make sense. So here is so background. ISA didn't giving up half of the planet by choice, they are force to do so under gun point. ISA Alpha Centauri like the name suggested, are just a regional government/police force of Alpha Centauri. The true government of human race and all the colonies are an organization call UCN. And UCN is a powerful organization. Their army, the UCA are stronger than even ISA and Helghan combine. It's just because their territory are so large, they can't direct rule every thing, so they usually don't intervene what regional government are doing. UCA don't seems that powerful because the only time they show up in game is during KZ1 with UCA fleet getting their ass kicked by SD Defense Network. But that's just one support fleet of many. Visari's plan of using SD Defense Network to force UCN negotiate peace is a doomed plan from the start, as UCA can easily send several full-bore invasion fleets if the support fleet got destroyed. Even though UCA seldom goes to war, if they truly did, unlike ISA's failed invasion, Helghast will just get crashed by them. During Second Extrasolar War (story of KZ1~3), UCN are pissed at ISA, fisrt with ISA's oppression towards Helghast causing the war (even though UCN are the real culprit in this matter), second with ISA can't contain the matter by themself, third with ISA disobey direct orders from UCN and lunched the failed invasion, fourth with the result of an entire planet being destroyed. So it was UCN who ordered ISA granting refuge to the Helghast survivors on Vekta, basically as a punish. And ISA had no choice but to listen, as if they don't, UCA will be the next who knocked on the door. You may say we (Sev and Rico) only did it to stop Helghast destroying Earth. That's true, but it''s also possible that: A. Maybe UCN think even with the threat of the super weapon, destroying an planet are still over kill; B. Maybe UCN don't took the threat seriously, even Stahl think he can just warp to earth and bombed it, for all we know, UCA might be able to wipe out Helghast fleet before they even get to orbit (or they might think so); C. Maybe UCN just don't care about the reason, it result with Terracide, that's all they care.

[@evprince]

Pinning this!

[@malfeastial]

Average ISA war crime denier

[@muhai3438]

great insight. as a long time killzone 2 can I was not aware of the UCN at all for the most part XD.

[@darthrevan454]

Where did you get this information from? I want to read it for myself and try to understand it my way.

[@s955120]

@@darthrevan454 Most of it comes from old official website of the game. Like the website of KZ2 tell you the story of Helghast getting their ass kicked by UCA, the website of KZ:SF tell you the story of UCN forcing ISA giving up half a planet. I not sure if the website is still there or not. If you can find it, I recommend you read it, as what I wrote is base on my memory from reading the website many years ago so I admit there maybe something I misremembered

[@jarfmusic]

All in favour of making a killzone 4 👇

[@ammarahmed7566]

Guerrilla games in their technical talks and presentations actually called this a Killzone 4, well actually just a remaster of the 6 games would be better since they just recently said they were done with the Killzone franchise (to make Horizon games)

[@Krondon-SSR]

I would love a game like Killzone 2 to come to pc

[@Dizzy-lane]

Definitely need more killzone

[@5hane9ro]

Amen to that. Even if not guerilla, I do believe they have sibling studios. Atleast remaster Killzone 2!

[@ShadowMark3_]

Should've greenlight a new killzone the second we heard Microsoft buying CoD.

[@Phantom6.6.6]

Important bit of lore. It wasnt the vektan government that gave the helgan half the plant. It was earth who was extremely tired of the mess and bull that helghan and vekta were pulling. They forced this as they were done using the kid gloves for both sides and told them to play nice or earth would force the issue and literally take over and they would lose their governmental autonomy.

[@caliginousmoira8565]

DEMOCRACY...... i would like to know more

[@malfeastial]

Average ISA war crime denier

[@aaronsmith7143]

​@@malfeastial How is this denying vecta's war crimes? You said the same thing under a post higher that literally stated how vecta/isa were being horrible and inhumane towards the helgast.

[@vitmezulianek598]

​@@aaronsmith7143 helgasts did nothing wrong

[@titanjakob1056]

Esa: can you morons get along for five minutes Vsa: my guy they have a literal dictatorship and use war crimes for weapons Helga: because it’s funny when hanz get za lightning gun

[@ammarahmed7566]

shadow fall is one of the most visually impressive launch titles for the PS4, even someordinarygamers just talked in his last few videos that the visuals are simply breathtaking, i had a ps4 pro and it used to sweat a lot during gameplay. the mechanics of maneuverability made sense being the last game in the series

[@NoxGlvdius]

Helldivers 2 brought me here.

[@SolFireYT]

2013?! Damn this game holds up well still

[@epgamer1145]

Right. I think it was a launch title for the PS4 and dang was it amazing.

[@aaronsmith7143]

Play it on a ps4 pro or ps5 and it's a locked 60fps also.

[@s955120]

I remember when I finished Shadow Fall for the first time, I told myself: "It really feels like Guerrilla don't want to continue KZ's story. Are they trying to switch to a new IP?" I can't really say why, but that ending give me that kind of feeling. And Horizon coming out 4 years later prove me right.

[@chromasus9983]

Which is fair, to be honest. Studios should have the liberty to change projects once they feel a franchise has been explored enough. New ideas and new stories to work with are refreshing for studios, rather than being made to work the same franchise year after year after year.

[@frenchToast9288]

But for both guerilla games and sony to abandon this franchise while pumping hundreds of millions into concord when you already own this franchise, it's automatically gonna get between 2-4 million sales just off previous fans, and first person shooter market is dry right now, and if sony wants a live service game support a killzone online through season pass and attach free battle royal component with cosmetics.

[@shreksnow1918]

You should hover Sony’s other “Halo Killer” (the true Halo killer was itself under 343) Resistance. I’ve been playing those games through RPCS3 and they’re a lot of fun. Too bad each entry sold less and less copies, and they radically altered the gameplay with each entry. That series and Killzone should have collections with all the mainline and spinoff games.

[@John_halo1]

I'd say that resistance is more of a combination of half life and medal of honor than a actual halo killer

[@shreksnow1918]

Yeah, I agree with that. Especially since R3 is basically a Half-Life 2 clone (one of the chapters is literally just Ravenholm with the serial numbers filed off. Not saying that as a bad thing). I was just calling it a Halo Killer because that’s how most people remember it. Such a shame the series had worse sales with each game. I’ve been playing the series through RPCS3 (PS3 emulator) and they’re a lot of fun. Although, it is kind of jarring how each game is radically different, and they each have their rough edges.

[@aaronsmith7143]

I have ps premium or extra. Whatever let's you stream the ps3 games. And they added the resistance games, even the psp game. They hold up even with the shitty ps3 server blades they have streaming them. If they would only move all the ps3 stuff over to the ps5 server blades it would be awesome.

[@IHLWonk]

Killzone will always be my favourite FPS. I still have hope one day we'll see a Helghast campaign.

[@OTBASH]

If they bring this back they really need to do this. I want to play as a Helghast.

[@HMAcademia]

Kz2 was my favorite but every one was good. I need that multiplayer back and I´d love to see a new version of maps like beachhead or the one with the nuke going off. Also the train one was cool as hell.

[@MacyP]

No Killzone Mercs video? Its a great game and might be my favorite out of the series but Shadow Fall is still a welcome surprise

[@evprince]

It'll be part of the full series video!

[@tomoradri1]

Thank you so much for covering and also understanding this game the way that I do. Killzone, is really close to my heart and you've done an outstanding job of looking at what the game is trying to say!

[@saschaberger3212]

Terracide is a nice band name. Let me steal that real quick

[@evprince]

I'd join

[@johnwerner6445]

Lucas is a Shadow Marshall yet gets his ass kicked in every fight. Weird.

[@bmagada]

Its called bad writing. Whenever they want to make a strong character they make them beat the protagonist instead of just being shown to be formidable.

[@lsd358]

The graphics still look amazing today in my opinion.

[@grayearly3116]

I still prefer the OG aesthetic but you can't deny this game is cool

[@Dizzy-lane]

A killzone collection would print money and make me need new underwear. Great video Evan keep up the great work

[@duplicarus]

They did release a Killzone collection, although it was only the first 3 mainline games. For the PS3 iirc.

[@Dizzy-lane]

@ a collection with the psp and psvita games on it for new hardware with a little remaster maybe.

[@MMAFan20]

I wish they did a full remake of all 4 for PS5 Pro. I'd upgrade to a pro if they make it.

[@poisonpawn6452]

I just realized this second, as many times as I've played this game, that the voice actor of Zeus is Fergus from the Wolfenstien reboot games.

[@chrisharper9573]

Great video and appreciate the lengths that you went to bring it to us =) Never played a Killzone game as not had a Playstation since the PS2 but this game looked great.

[@Codric]

That’s a much more nuanced story than I expected from the space nazi games (I knew nothing about them until your review)

[@duplicarus]

Yeah these games go pretty hard. Especially Killzone 2. The grittiness in that game in particular is unreal.

[@2xRainb0w]

The fact people just call them space Nazis show they didn’t pay attention to or play the original games.

[@Scarecr0wn]

Man, why is nobody making games like this now? I get that WW2 and current warfare is still drawing masses, but we are long overdue for proper space sci-fi action. Also Killzone collection on PC would be sweet as hell but I am afraid today Guerilla does not have balls for something like that. PS. To the people in 01:41:00 uchm, have you have heared of little country called North Korea? Not that it´s the only example..

[@Elim1986]

Killzone Shadowfall as gameplay mechanics go has some similarities to the Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden West. What I mean by this is the capacity to play whole sections of the game by as much stealth as possible. Also like Horizon Zero Dawn, the protagonist starts off at a younger age. We get some initial gameplay mechanics by way of navigating through a darker area. Next time skip transitions from childhood to adolescence. Overhearing NPC dialogue changes the atmosphere especially when it adds ambiguity. You come to question more about your character’s actions. As you advance through Shadowfall - you might find yourself with doubts - not just about missions. You may have doubts about what happen in the prologue too. Likewise - there’s the mysterious Echo. The conflict takes unusual twists as story progresses too.

[@hollowatelier]

I appreciate the lengths you went to make this video! Always enjoyable! I never got around to Shadow Fall. I remember the negative backlash that it had, but I wasn't in a good headspace for console gaming at the time. So I had no desire to pick up anything console or console adjacent. No matter what was said about it. Then it just faded into the background when I was able to engage with consoles again, years later. I do have to say I'd agree with a PC port of the entire franchise. Sony keeps saying they don't have Franchises, when they're leaving so many to rot away. A PC Remaster of the series would be a great way to not only appease fans of the series, but also draw attention to, and maybe incentivize making a follow up. It's wild to think they had an ending like that, and then never moved forward with a follow up. This has been a fun romp, thank you for going through the main series!

[@evprince]

Thank you for sticking around to go through it with me! I've got two more big franchises to cover coming up, too, so stay tuned!

[@ammarahmed7566]

@@evprince please cover mercenary as well, its a true console exclusive to this day and one of the best FPS on vita/pstv

[@joshuapaterson9746]

1:08:05 ‘they are innocent people’ ‘NOOOOO!!’ Laughed at it way back then and still laughing 😂😂

[@ghostwhencodghosts9114]

NOOOOAAAWW

[@joshuapaterson9746]

@ what did Sinclair mean by this 😂

[@chocofurtif2122]

i rememeber starting the Ps4 for the first time with my father and beggining my journey on this game. I remember my father, I and my little brother were very impressed by the visuals. It s very good and precious memories . My father buyied the ps4+killzone ( sold as one package if I remember well). We were so excited. We were watching each other playing killzone , my mother was mad that we spend the whole weekend on ps4. Miss these days

[@504WorldWar1]

I appreciated the variety of levels and quality of visuals, but my main complaint was that the main weapon was too useful at all ranges, and didn't have the same authentic/grounded feel of the KZ2 and KZ3 main weapons. You could look at them and see the ideas fused from real world weapons. They had a weight and felt more than generic sci-fi guns. I also missed having a charismatic helghast leader actually at the forefront of the story. It's just hard to move on from Visari and Stahl (yes, Stahl is present, but he's not the main villain, or even present for most of the game). I also miss the weighty soundtrack of KZ2 and KZ3. I understand what they were going for, but you can't go from "Birth of War (Retribution)" (KZ2) or "And Ever We Fight On" (KZ3) by Joris de Man, to the stuff we had in Shadow Fall. It lacks the depth and weight of both. I guess I feel that while Shadow Fall was visually striking and competent, it just didn't feel like Killzone.

[@5hane9ro]

Honestly find this game very underrated. I played the MP from when I bought my Ps4 to the day the servers were offline. The campaign also had plenty of fun combat arenas! Overall solid game!

[@alec2456]

I loved this game! I bought this when the ps4 came out. Great multiplayer, story, and graphics. Oh and the music.

[@dlbutters7164]

A game from over a decade ago on last gen console still looks better than Halo Infinite (current gen)...

[@DoomyRei]

I miss the first person melee execution from killzome3 they toned it down in shadow fall no more eye gouging

[@epgamer1145]

I thought people were tripping when they said this was the worlds game out of the series. I can’t really say there was anythi holding back the game aside from the ending like you said. I played the game after multiplayer was dead and or shut down so I can’t speak on that part. This was honestly a great story for what the conflict is about especially it’s less spoken about take that the people of a different group you save and allow in your gates, will betray you. Really gives a good message to why countries exist. The gameplay was awesome. I loved the zero G missions, and their combat. The bush having alternative fire modes was even cooler.

[@Stoffinator]

My problem with the game was giving half the planet to your enemy and allowing them to come as soldiers and not as just citizens. It be like the Jewish people bombing Germany after WWII for revenge and than allowing the survivors half of Israel. But not just as civilians, but also soldiers with guns and armor and allow them to build weaponry. That point was a joke to me. Should of been where they were building such underground and the Shadow Marshals suspected of such and send you in to see.

[@Phantom6.6.6]

The thing was the terracide gave the helghast a lot of political good will with the other colonies and earth who were already tired of Vekta dragging them into their conflict with helghan. Also it was earth that gave half the planet to the helghast not the vektan government. Earth just wanted the matter settled and swept under the rug

[@Stoffinator]

@@Phantom6.6.6 Maybe so. But it still does not make sense to have your enemy come to your planet it with military weapons. It isn't settling or sweeping anything under the rug. It is just going to boil slowly into another genocide.

[@Subhuman_Gamer]

Killzone hd collection ps5! We need it.

[@Stranger_in_Dunya]

Finally a video that doesn't diss the game unnecessarily. The only thing which seems cheap about the game is the ending. And even that could've been avoided if they launched a sequel in few years (to explain it or show the aftermath, perhaps "echo" did it out of revenge rather than stopping the war) but it's more than a decade now. Btw, before someone starts seething I think KZ3 was the best in franchise, but I find people who jump on the shadowfall hate bandwagon to be unserious.

[@hunn20004]

I'm not saying that people should be replaying the killzone series for its historical context....BUT it is HIGHLY relevant today.

[@CondemnedMarine]

Good video, kept me watching the entire time from beginning to end. It's far from my favourite game, but it's a well made shooter. I just miss the gritty, brutal war that was portrayed in 2, and was present in a lot of early 7th gen shooters. I think if you play the Resistance trilogy, you'll find a much more consistent quality across that series than Killzone.

[@evprince]

Resistance has been highly requested... I might have to just do it soon.

[@ammarahmed7566]

@@evprince looking forward to it ! resistance is available from PSP to the Vita as well, and each game had a compelling story

[@AndrewTime9106]

I’m mostly here for your Star Wars (and Dragon Ball) content. But hearing you have just plain fun…. Is always a blast, too. Keep at it!

[@evprince]

I appreciate that! I've got a ton of other games I plan to talk about soon but don't worry, dragon ball and star wars content will remain.

[@Area51UFOGynaecology]

i cant even imagine how awesome and populated the multiplayer must be

[@PIMPTD]

I really like this game. Mercenaries is still probably my favorite. Especially with the multiplayer back in the day.

[@goblinzaku6211]

I was there when the multiplayer went offline. It was glorious

[@rightword]

After watching the video, it's well said in detail and I'm sadden you weren't able to experience the multiplayer properly. From my experience when playing Objective destroy/defense and sabotage mode, there were lots of gamers that adapted to shields, placing turrets defense and short cuts and flanking made it entertaining. I spent on the multiplayer in 2018, I had some much fun on every maps until I later was off due to life events. When I got back in 2023, I was shocked to learn the servers were shut down😔. I had two left for the online trophies. It was fun until it lasted and I have a few match clips I saved to look back.

[@noneclip]

I think people didn't like it because we were expecting more on next-gen launch title. That was heavily marketed as best shooter with open missions and next gen gameplay. But were more linear. If it wasn't launch title I would say reception would have been much better

[@GuitarFRETBOARDHACKS]

I remember being impressed with the game visually but highly under whelmed cause like you mentioned I was expecting some grand next gen feeling. Never came.

[@josuearriaza3952]

What i notice about the cutscenes is that there is movement during conversations. Horizon didnt do that they tryed the boring left right camera change convos but they do better in forbidden west.

[@bsaintnyc]

This game is so weird. It looks amazing in this video essay , but actually playing it feels ok, bad boss desgin (looking at you energy shield guys) and bad flying sections on top of bland gameplay killed this project. Its a shame because everything else is top notich - the story the acting , the music and especially the graphics were stunning then and still look close to state of the art 10 years after its release.videogames age in dog years killzone SF didnt. It still looks awesome.

[@R1ck_Ryder]

Thank you so much for this man I have always defended this game. Thank you for actually bothering to be invested in the story and giving the game its flowers when it would be so much easier to follow the dipshit bandwagon and just trash on it. 🎉

[@patrickbateman312]

Yeah the gunplay was pretty good, but if I remember correctly you were even more limited in your arsenal because you HAD to always have one slot taken up by that POS starting rifle. Besides, they know what we want. Helghast campaign when???

[@OTBASH]

Helldivers 2 is the closest we'll ever get now. Proudly assisting Super Earth as Helghast reinforcements.

[@redwaldcuthberting7195]

It had a banging score for sure.

[@mister_padilla6105]

1:01:05 lmao. On all my play throughs I never knew you could help the citizens.

[@itsterres]

killzone shadow fall plot in a nutshell: end racism

[@Area51UFOGynaecology]

this is what a game looks like when devs were forced to make it and never got a chance to have own ideas

[@Sub-Sownik]

If Sony was smart: spending the wasted $600 millions of bucks on Concord on a new Killzone franchise instead would've had more succes 👍

[@metatronblack]

It was 400 million

[@Sub-Sownik]

@metatronblack on videos yes, but apparantly it was $600 million

[@B3CAR3FUL]

I would totally play this on PC

[@evprince]

Same

[@LiterallyAna]

SAAAME Please I can't go back to these ultra low FOV shooters :(( I would totally buy the game again if it came out on PC

[@xAbsynthex]

First of all, thank you so much for all the effort you went through to get this to us. I’m a PC guy myself and haven’t owned my own actual console since… my PS3. Which I think might’ve gotten lost somewhere in New York after I split from my ex gf 5 years ago 😅 I’ve been watching the start of your KZ videos over the course of a week or so, and I’ve always heard that Shadowfall was an abomination. So I was eagerly awaiting for this video to see just wtf was so wrong with it. I’ve watched the entire video and I have to say, I truly believe that Guerilla was snorting, crushing, eating, injecting, and smoking whatever they could grow in their garden and/or ordered off the Dark Web, cause they were fucking COOKING. Maybe the gameplay was bad at the time??? Visually and narratively, I was locked in during the whole video. They absolutely need to make another Killzone game to expand on the story, cause exactly like you said, Echo just kicked off a whole nother shitshow. And if/when they do make another Killzone game, it would be an absolute crime at this point if it DOESN’T come to PC.

[@thes7984]

I'd love to replay Liberation and Mercenary. I got really good moments on my handhelds back in the days

[@davidscott9257]

nice, been waiting on this one.

[@samus17]

So glad theres a new Killzone fan!

[@brandoncheney2815]

didnt like it when it came out went on a pawn shop disc buying spree and got this game for 4$ played it and really enjoyed it

[@mister_padilla6105]

Literally just replayed this game lol

[@mog-myownbestfriend]

The mistitled sequel to Call of Duty Ghosts

[@epgamer1145]

Or infinite warfare

[@Area51UFOGynaecology]

my grandmother became a shadowmarshal after she died

[@Matt-gz9nr]

I remember getting the shadow fall day one for ps4 being 15 years old for some reason I got banned permanently for no reason at all

[@KneeCapHill]

They went a bit too hard on the sci-fi sleek aesthetic when the gritty and harsh look is what made it stand out from other games (Halo...)

[@bruhtholemew]

Despite the franchise being dead, I still think it's more known and recognized as a PS franchise than Horizon.

[@Degze]

First off, shadow fall out perfomed Halo infinite that was on a newer generation... Shadow Fall in my opinion was brilliant. Gorgeous and gameplay was brilliant. Still looking fantastic. Multiplayer was fab, always felt like you could compete and more enjoyable than COD for me. The little drone buddy added a great feature.

[@Figdudeton]

Well, I respect your opinion but there are MAJOR criticisms I have with the game. Coming as someone who's only game when I got my PS4 was Shadowfall, and a previous fan of the series, I was massively disappointed. The visuals were great, but the performance was not, and it had cascading effects on the gunplay of the game. All of the post-processing input lag from the previous games was eliminated, but that also killed the perceived weight of aiming and shooting. The massively inconsistent framerate of Shadowfall made aiming feel so much worse than KZ3. The visuals were great, but also felt more bland than the previous games but still had a lot more style than other games of that era. The level design was not good, the "open" levels felt meandering and unfocused, and the more linear levels just felt boring. A few gimmicks, like the zero g level and the very poorly done stealth segments, helped shake things up but I never got invested in the COD-esque gameplay enough to get over the bad framerate and the atrocious story. The story had more than just a bad ending as negatives, I feel the entire plot of the game barely holds together and makes very little sense. The writers had a vague idea of an interesting story, and the designers had vague ideas of set pieces, so everyone just threw it all together and barely stitched it into something coherent. The ending is legendarily bad. I really gave the multiplayer a shot, but the community never really grew and I couldn't get invested invested in it. Once the lackluster launch lineup started giving way to better games, I moved on and never looked back.

[@zentran2690]

I honestly really liked this game!

[@tomasjari9412]

This game has better movement of your character and gunplay than todays aaa titles.

[@1GNUN0N]

Imagine this game on pc with dlss etc

[@chili_dog9626]

i played it when the servers still worked and it was totally dead just me and one other person running around w bots

[@wpdenni]

Still hoping for you to take on the KOTOR games! KZbin needs another hit video about KOTOR 2's perfection.

[@josuearriaza3952]

Even a first person cyber punk syle game would work for killzone with there lore they can just redue it all like the re2 3 4 remakes.

[@kjriwoutube]

cabt wait for the mercenary video

[@evprince]

It will be featured in the full series compilation video!

[@Mamiya645]

Pouring one out for the devs who became Horizon only slaves.

[@AutomaticSnake]

2 had better story mode and overall better muti. Shadow Fall story mode was on the weak side. Not terrible as people say, just meh. Multiplayer was a mix of bad and good. For casual players who only play public games it was not great, but for the competitive it had the best custom games and clan system in the series. Stuff that was sadly not available until many months after release because the game was rushed to meet PS4 launch. It's a shame that Sony stopped making games like the old days. They went from single player third person games without multiplayer non stop until today... the disaster push for live service games. Concord and all they cancelled. Hundreds of millions for nothing. Lol

[@ryancasey1287]

Pls cover killzone mercenary next

[@evprince]

I'm writing the script for it now! Both mercenary and liberation will be part of my compilation video.

[@thepinkbucket6250]

You immediately lost me when you said this game had better writing

[@a-aronlincoln6309]

I actually really liked it back in the day just couldn't come around to the ending and the multiplayer was definitely MEH

[@stalinsfavoriteskeleton3100]

Issue to me tho is it didnt look like killzone. Kinda like what happened with halo after 343 except this was a WAY more intense change which just doesnt vibe with me

[@roonicous2256]

Killzone reboot is needed

[@born2biscuit]

get your brain checked this game was shockingly bad

[@metatronblack]

This wouldn't sell well on PC and a lot of PC players would try to steal it

[@beneditoxanichamaximiano6008]

Prefer Killzone on the ps3

[@HotSizzleTV_]

We need killzone 4

[@DJGHOSH]

The whole concept of giving half a planet to your sworn enemies was a hump i could not get over in this narrative. I really had a hard time not thinking that aspect was idiotic to the point i couldn't suspend my belief for the rest of the story 🤣

[@74Vidgamer]

Obviously, world events of the last 9 years hasn’t changed that. 🙄

[@iChefTheImpossible]

Only one I never played

[@bloodysimile4893]

Evan: the game has better writing J.jJohnson laugh meme here. Somehow Helghast got the best deal out a treaty despite losing, horribly. Allow to build it military, got some serious Frist order vibe there. ISA are just bad guys now. The only good Helghast must also be Vekta, again. Super Vuris which is weak plot muffin. Force east vs west story approach, and not a very good one. Protagonist is ok going against his boss who rises him since his dad death that would have been avoidable if the ISA just gather their people frist before turning over land. Seriously, Helghast who negotiated with ISA must have infinite iq and luck for pulling it off. It be like yazi lost ww2 and gotten half of usa in terms of surrendered. Say what about 123, liberation, and Mercs, but at least they knew they were in a war setting they are in.

[@patrickbateman312]

The ISA were always the bad guys.

[@cc-iq2bs]

2 👇 No it does not , the graphics are cheesy as hell, gone backwards, killzone 2 and 3 was way way way way better . Shadowfall graphics are sketchy and blocked , stalh was found on the planet, getting rid of Rico, septh was a rubbish move, I did not like Shadowfall at all , very dissapointing .......

[@satnav1980]

Of course Shadow Fall is the best looking one. It is the most recent. 😂

[@johndodo2062]

The gunplay is much much worse than 2 and 3. The removal of the cover system broke the series. It's better than the first game. That's it

[@evprince]

The cover system is still present and functioned pretty much the same as it did in 2 and 3 in my playthrough. I even showed some parts here where I was hiding and firing from behind cover.

[@raineahava7217]

The cover system wasn't removed lmao

[@Area51UFOGynaecology]

shadow fall was the worst game

[@CropCirclePictures]

Nah, SF is ass. Even Mercenary was better.

[@bmagada]

No, its not all or nothing....the problem is the Helghast started the entire war. They invaded Vekta and then were granted some of Vekta as a peace offering and at no point could they stop. So much at the cost of making their own suffer. Also this is what happens when the writers of a series change or have shared duty. Things start to bleed together in dumb ways and you can clearly see how they always wanted to make Echo the lead.

[@badrhetoric5637]

"Evil Joe Rogan". So just Joe Rogan.

[@patrickbateman312]

Joe Rogan isn't evil, he's just a left wing stoner. A bit dim, but not a bad guy.

[@badrhetoric5637]

@patrickbateman312 left wing? Ahahahahah! @patrickbateman312 american? Funny, considering you use american methods of strawman and obfuscation. No, not because "he talks to people", because he platforms right wing propagandists, far more than he talks to leftwing people, barely challenges the right wing people whilst he goes after leftwing people. He repeats talking points of the right wing like, immigration, trans rights, anti vax and regulation. Just because he smokes weed, a safe position these days, doesn't make him left wing. Nice try with the american tricks, american.

[@patrickbateman312]

@@badrhetoric5637 He's not a communist, certainly. But politically yeah he's pretty left leaning.

[@badrhetoric5637]

@patrickbateman312 no he isn't. Who are you trying to convince? He hosts the most right wing people on the net. He repeats right wing talking points. He's a rightoid.

[@patrickbateman312]

@badrhetoric5637 being willing to talk to people is not a right wing, last time I checked. But then, most American leftists have slid further and further into a purity cult, so I can see why something like that alarms you. Most of Rogans positions are nominally or wholly left wing. His stance on immigration, on health care, on drug use... He's very left wing. On what issues does he hold anything close to a right wing position?

[@dani3po]

The last thing Sony needs is ideas for new remasters.

[@BabyKobeeee]

The story was so cringy and stupid I deleted it after the second mission. I genuinely liked Killzone Mercenary on the PS Vita more.

[@kentsemenuk157]

This game sucked

[@raymcdougal420]

And it’s still trash 😂

[@paweldurczok]

I really liked Shadow Fall. Probably my favourite Killzone game after KZ2.... however, the premise of the story makes absolutely no sense in this game.

[@colemandeadolf9690]

trash

[@texandy89]

if they ever did a Killzone movie but do it right with practical effects and less CGI would be cool there was a rumor a while ago that there was gonna be a Killzone movie but never happened I mean I know most video games that turn into movies do not do well and they suck I mean I even heard of a Metal Gear Solid movie as well. Killzone is the one game that started it for me but before that it was Medal OF Honor. Killzone should come back.

[@ghostwhencodghosts9114]

The game never gone to discount on ps store ONCE and its been 11 years