Killzone Shadow Fall - What Went Wrong?

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[@madhanblaze1311]

Hey mate, can you do a analysis video on GTA IV and V? I would love to see that.

[@QellOmnyhydrax]

Fighting giant robots… like the entire Titanfall game series….

[@brokeandtired]

Good game but insta spot AI and invisible enemies definitely hurt it.

[@romanromanchuk7718]

Medal of honour european assault

[@simonm6546]

i think you got it wrong this time. in my opinion it its the fact that the series was always "call of duty with future-nazi-ww3 atmosphere. but killzone 4 was a cold-war spy game. this led to not having your combat buddies, not having hugh battles, not fighting against an intire planet and because the story didn't take place on helghan it wasn't a grimm and toxic environment and atmosphere. this led to the game not feeling like killzone at all. the gunplay was never that important, they didnt need to do something new (although the series had car, mechwarior and jetpack sections). and i actually remember the gunplay as awsome because you felt the bodyweight of the soldier, the coversystem was great(character even pulled back the gun when you walk up to a wall), the enemies reacted to beeing shot (while f.e. the elites in halo don't), you had to conctroll your hands and work with the move controller when sniping (making it nore than just aim,click,win). killzone 4 just had none of those things. the only resemblance to the series are the helghasts.

[@souljahjustice7715]

Graphics were great, but I felt there was something missing overall, it felt like they could've gone farther. Multi-player had massive player battles and was absolutely insanely fun at the time.

[@Ablequerq]

Yeah that missing thing is called gameplay.

[@Dr._Mantis_Toboggan_Md.]

@@Ablequerq ... what ? The gameplay was fun, what was missing was the intense insanity if the previous ones, and the co-op.

[@shawklan27]

@@buffaloSoldier519 "SUCH WASTED POTENTIAL" - Steve Blum

[@souljahjustice7715]

@@buffaloSoldier519 good point. Its like they wanted to showcase next generation, fell asleep during production, and....boom.

[@ThatTallBrendan]

I started playing the multiplayer this past week (it's actually very active in the afternoons, _still._ Vets from launch, but I can hang with them).. And it's been a breath of fresh air in terms of game systems! Fast TTK, but slow pace. Gadget based teamwork with dedicated classes. Challenge based weapon unlocks that don't ask too much of you. Given the state of modern multiplayer progression, it's a breath of fresh air! But.. and that's a capital *BUT..* The _input delay.._ Holy shit. Like a tenth of a second between a trigger pull and firing. And it's the same in campaign, so it's not a connection issue. If it had a modern response time and aiming curve- 🤌 Mm. It'd be perfect in my opinion.

[@AvalancheReviews]

Fuck Killzone 2 looks better than I remember!

[@jax199]

Man, I wish Sony released the Killzone original trilogy on PC. Might even throw in Shadowfall and the PSP for good measure.

[@ActNasty5]

RPCS3 😎

[@batzraph708]

Shadowfall was better than killzone 1

[@zalabit927]

Yeah, if God of War and Horizon can land on Steam, so can Killzone. Give us the Helghast Collection, you cowards🗿

[@Yodagamer1]

Kill zone mercenary need a port as well. It’s pretty good too.

[@chrisz5z]

Especially if they allow multiplayer

[@djschaum520]

it's crazy how good this game looks despite the fact that it came out in 2013. could easily pass as a ps5 launch title too.

[@J.Wolf90]

Pfft the ps5 is just a ps3 3.0. We've had almost 20 years of nothing but a new hd paintjob. Consoles have become as cut and paste as friggin cod games🤦‍♂️

[@newnamesameperson397]

Killzone was one of those games that I played and got the message purely from playing the game and that message is an anti war one. The bad guys aren't that bad when you learn that the so called good guys are the aggressors in the war. The fact that the bad guys look like nazis is a misdirection.

[@SolidSnake240]

That's one of the main things I liked about the story of Killzone.

[@saloz9483]

The odd thing is only KZ1 really hit home that the bad guys arent super evil. Though they seem to drop that after part 1 which is why I feel part 1 had the best story and characters.

[@elbowjuice2627]

Whatever decent idea Guerrilla has gets ruined by their inability to write anything decent

[@ExeErdna]

@@saloz9483 Yeah it sucks we never got to really play as the Helghast. They did nothing wrong honestly ISA was in the wrong the whole time. Yet yes KS1 had the best cast even Rico was better in that game before they threw his whole character arc away.

[@TheArklyte]

@@ExeErdna oh, they did PLENTY wrong. Just not in backstory when they were exploited and abandoned. But the crap we see during games, the crimes of Visari regime, they're not excusable. International community treated Germany and Weimar Republic unfairly, but that doesn't excuse or justify Third Reich's crimes. Same goes for other reactionary nationalistic dictatorships.

[@solidkwon]

Gameplay wise Killzone 2 campaign may not have bn all that unique, but in the multiplayer space there def was nothing like it. Being able to create spawn points with the tactician, and shotgunning people and setting up sentry drones as an engineer while a teammate who’s an assault was setting up explosives in the enemy base are examples of things still not found much in the gaming landscape

[@AguyR1401]

It was an old school multiplayer shooter, with unique classes fighting across innovative (and often impressively large) map designs. But you'd be remiss not to mention the Sta3 LMG, which actually belonged to no class, as you could only spawn with it if you spawned as the default soldier, who didn't have access to any perks... But it didn't matter! That thing was a buzzsaw and made quick work of anything at close and medium ranges (so long as the recoil was properly managed). The Singleplayer was still a blast. In fact, it has plenty of replayability. The cover (and-shoot) system worked well and I found only the story to be somewhat lacking. I still fire up the singleplayer to this day, as kz2 offers something unique that other games/shooters, either from then or now, don't have.

[@rgb1996]

I don't remember if the 2nd one had that, but clocking as the enemy in the 3rd game was fun as hell, some of the most fun I've had in multiplayer fps

[@AguyR1401]

@@rgb1996 Yes you could disguise yourself as the enemy while playing the saboteur class in both games. Kz3's cloak mechanic was much more convincing, however. In Kz2, you'd appear as the default soldier with the Saboteur's SMG weapon whenever you cloaked, which was a peculiar weapon and character combination that indicated you were in fact the enemy.

[@danmarsh5009]

I get what your saying but I just kinda thought.... Battlefield? 😂

[@solidkwon]

@@danmarsh5009 I think KZ2 mp was def a unique thing even compared to Battlefield. The switching to different gameplay modes with its Warzone mode sets it apart, and again, you can create spawn points as the tactician. There’s no vehicles in Killzone so maps are typically smaller and battles more intimate, but at the same time it’s not like Call of Duty in which players are just running off and doing things on their own because team play matters. I just remember it as being one of the most unique and awesome mp experiences ever. Now that I’m thinking back to this game, man, I rly miss it

[@robothips8159]

Killzone 2s gunplay still sticks with me. Some of the fights I had in multiplayer in that game were like space vietnam with how intense they were. 30 min Assassination in the academy map where the enemy put spawns by the doors was insane with all the explosions, the gunfire, smoke, and walls chipping from the bullets. Nothings come close to those firefights since.

[@zalabit927]

Also i love the way enemies fall down when gunned, looks pretty good to this day compared to other death animations. Ya hear that, Cyberpunk 2077? ✋🏻🗿

[@sillkthashocker]

The 10 fps sticks with me

[@cheaptricked3148]

I could never get the sensitivity right on the PS3 games. Don't even know how to explain it, but the aiming never felt smooth or fluid to me, at all. Even to this day.

[@ActNasty5]

I had a lot of fun with the online too haha

[@ActNasty5]

@@cheaptricked3148 the framerates are bad lol

[@Eon233]

Here’s my thing with games like this. What’s wrong with linear games anymore? I’m desperately missing linear games because now the trend is F2P or giant open world games where the worlds are dryer than sandpaper. I want games that tell great stories or are just plain fun to play. I don’t want yet another open world where you can put 200 hours in but 180 of those hours are collection shit

[@nik774]

Fear, metro Last light, Singularity, Black mesa, bulletstorm, prey 2006, Crysis 2 and Titanfall 2 are great linear fps games I would recommend to you.

[@Eon233]

@@nik774 I’ve played most of those. I’m saying I miss modern day big budget releases that deal with these parameters. They are too few in between

[@nik774]

@@Eon233 Oh yeah that's near impossible to find.

[@DarthMcDoomington]

It's probably because people remember the "Gears of Duty era" when everything was "cinematic" to the point players wondered why they didn't just go watch a movie then periodically stopping to play Call of Duty between every scene because that's what almost all games were. EVERYTHING was trying to get Call of Duty/Gears of War money for FAR TOO FUCKING LONG, games became even more linear then the previous generations of linear games, it couldn't merely be a linear game, no it had to be THIS EXACT TYPE of linear game. Linear action games with regenerating health were the equivalent of the "UbiSandbox" back then. That's not to say exceptions didn't exist but all the big gaming companies except Nintendo were touting that this is what people wanted and single player games were dead no matter how much their audience said otherwise, even with franchises that got their start in an entirely different fucking genre, even F.E.A.R. 2 seemed like it wanted to embrace the Call of Duty route but wasn't popular enough with test audiences as it gave you health kits every nanosecond and occasionally you would get into a ripoff of the EOD-209 which literally had health regeneration and F.E.A.R. was ALREADY an FPS. It's sequel, F.3.A.R. (yes really, they did that stupid thing where they use l33t speak for a fucking title) went further down the Call of Duty hole (complete with regenerating health and a budget ripoff of the chase sequence in Modern Warfare 2) and was even more shit. Yeah KILLZONE benefitted from it (along with having a stable framerate), but most games were ruined by it, for example Resident Evil's appeal was in horror and it was increasingly having little to no appeal outside of brand recognition (I highly recommend playing Resident Evil 6, as unlike RE5 it was actually pretty fun and had the right amount of bad to be so bad it's good (the constant quick time events is extremely annoying however), RE5's only value is if you care about seeing all the storyline with Wesker get wrapped up).

[@gibberconfirm425]

​@@DarthMcDoomington Yeah I distinctly remember "Call of Duty" being 1)amazing in 2003, 2)Yet the campaign lost me in the middle of the British missions. So how great was that campaign, really? I think it had a shelf life of imaginative visceral 'roleplaying,' paradoxically (as RPG is the genre you'd contrast the experience with.) The killing and killing and killing made this cinematic experience feel fake, whereas killing and killing and killing is just fine in an RPG, or indeed, multiplayer Call of Duty. Their research probably showed people barely got 5 hours in, which is why Modern Warfare is...five hours.

[@HelloChief117]

I remember playing this game and getting severe headaches because of the lighting and constant lens flares. Turned out that I just needed new glasses, but it ended up being the reason why I didn't play it all the way through and now...I don't regret it. Hell, I have gotten more nostalgic for Killzone 2 than this thing.

[@winlover37]

Sheesh that's wild man. That makes sense nostalgia-wise, KZ2 is a much better game. To me, killzone had a very dirty and gritty look to it and that's what made it stand out to me. Shadowfall looks really good, but it's very sanitized and just kinda fell flat for me.

[@slayer6752]

Yeah me too,when I was playing this game,I got headaches and it felt like I was going to puke so I had to look away from the screen,my cousin didn't have problems,in fact he somehow liked the game,I mean that was one of the first ps4 games we've ever played.

[@cavetendobiggles1841]

Haha yeah same on the headaches and quite a bit of motion sickness too. Very odd as I don't usually suffer from such things.

[@steveharrington5378]

Stop the cap

[@slayer6752]

@@steveharrington5378 Nah I'm not even lying,it really made me wanna puke,I guess the lighting was kinda new to me,I only played games with not much of a"flare"to it like gta4,gow3,fallout las vegas,infamous 2,batman games,etc,same goes to ac unity when the first time I've played but overtime I got used to it.

[@spencers911]

My favorite of the series is Killzone 3. Very fun multiplayer, interesting story, and awesome new character designs. The designs in Shadowfall stood out more than anything else to me.

[@DPRK_Best_Korea]

KZ3 doesn't make any sense. Despite taking place hours after KZ2, the helghast use vastly different tech, and several major characters disappear.

[@spencers911]

@@DPRK_Best_Korea I agree with you but I played it before KZ2 so in a vacuum it was awesome.

[@Daburubareru]

@@DPRK_Best_Korea imo KZ3 was cool tho just sayin

[@DPRK_Best_Korea]

@@Daburubareru I agree that it was cool, it just wasn't as cool as kz2.

[@harmleyten4]

Killzone 3 is the best because it actually controlled good, try to play killzone 2 now, the controlls are awfull. But still fun game and i completed it multiple times

[@haramsaddam238]

Graphics looked amazing at the time but I thought campaign was really boring. Multiplayer also didn’t hit the same as 2 or 3 when it was still alive

[@wintermintmojo2418]

Killzone 2 multiplayer was the stuff of legends. I wish the industry would have grabbed on to the idea of longer matches on bigger maps with shifting objectives.

[@iconofsin4578]

I played buttloads of KZ2 MP but never really played KZ3 too much and then they cut the servers

[@christopherwalkinalloverya5824]

@@wintermintmojo2418 KZ2's MP had the worst input lag ever though..

[@wintermintmojo2418]

@@christopherwalkinalloverya5824 not going to argue with you there. Sonys servers were the best either.

[@Sellipsis]

@@wintermintmojo2418 Section 8: Prejudice (read that as the most underrated FPS in history) basically did both Battlefield Conquest mode and killzone's signature mode at the same time along with an epic spawn-anywhere mechanic with 32 player matches. That game was absolutely amazing for the brief time it was alive.

[@konczdavid]

I remember that I really liked most of the first level in Shadow Fall. It felt like a spiritual successor to the original Crysis with its wide-linear level design that allowed me to approach different objectives creatively and deal with enemies in various ways. And after that, the game just somehow fell apart.

[@richkid620]

I think a lot of that is 2 fold. 1) It was designed to be the vertical slice that really showed off the visuals of the game 2) Guerilla really wanted to make Horizon: Zero Dawn, so they used Sony's money to build the engine to be open world for the game they really wanted to make

[@etceterax144]

@@richkid620 I'm not even mad about that. Glad we got Horizon.

[@richkid620]

@@etceterax144 totally agree. Also if you want more insight I recommend you go watch the /noclip documentary on the making of Horizon: Zero Dawn. It is a really good watch.

[@VertietRyper]

@@etceterax144 honestly even if I'm not that big a fan of Horizon's story, I appreciate them going for something new.

[@tomekl3476]

@@richkid620 I love when they kill great climate killzone had just to make another game i have 0 interest in. I know that a lot of people like it. But killzone had such great potential just to be treated like shit and thrown into the trash. It was not issue of idea but more of the fact that devs were lazy and shit at their job. Art designers worked their asses off just for gameplay designers to fuck it up. I mean multiplayer was fun but besides that it was mid game. And im sad about it because i loved how it looked

[@AguyR1401]

7:18 Fun Fact: The AA Gun being used in this scene is during a wave/horde-type segment, where you fend off multiple onslaughts of infantry soldiers, and is notoriously difficult (especially on the hardest difficulty), but can be avoided altogether by simply running to the end of the far building being looked at and entering the sliding door to the next part of the mission. This is most easily done at the very start of the segment, when you're commanded to take control of the AA gun, because the enemies do not spawn for a few moments after being given the objective. Simply start running immediately so as to avoid the enemies from spawning in too high in numbers prior to your speeding past them. Use grenades to kill the first couple that spawn in as you near the other side of the area.

[@hundredknight6593]

Fighting giant robots in "Vanquish" is really fun you should probably try it.

[@MechaSlinky]

I feel like if you've never had fun fighting giant robots in games, you've never played fun games.

[@admech590]

Here's the problem with killzone....the most interesting faction of the game isn't the one your playing as. There is barely anything worth remembering about vekta and the iss. Aside from Rico, but thats not saying much (as far as I'm concerned, he's to blame for everything after kill zone 2).

[@nightgoblinspearman]

The speech at the start of killzone 1 made me want to join the helghast

[@Bloodynine606]

Nailed it. The series is very boring aside from the snippets of helghast lore

[@otherprisma7354]

Killzone Mercenaries does that so well.

[@zman79]

Seriously, why no Helghast campaign?! Swear people were calling for it from the moment Killzone 1 came out

[@shawklan27]

This is a problem for the ENTIRE franchise bro. The devs are blind as fuck ngl.

[@TeamGun]

Loved Killzone 2, the multiplayer was some of the most fun mp I've ever played. I didn't play 3, but I played Killzone Shadow Fall and actually really liked it. It gets a lot of hate but I still think its a gem.

[@DarthMcDoomington]

I highly recommend 3, the multiplayer servers are dead by now but the campaign is pretty great. It does go a bit more stereotypically futuristic with jetpacks, a giant robot and planet destroying superweapon but it's still pretty great. I also like that the Helghast actually have holosights on their guns again.

[@emaheiwa8174]

I loved Killzone 2 and 3. Being in the Army, the dialogs were so real

[@Dorraj]

Important note: Guerilla never claimed Killzone 1 to be a "Halo Killer", that was coined by media outlets hyping up the game and/or Sony executives. Guerilla also never claimed the trailer for Killzone 2 was in game, that was a Sony rep giving false info. Shadow Fall was basically a test for Guerilla's new engine. By the time they even started working on Shadow Fall, they were already working on Horizon. They were done with Killzone, and didn't really mind that Shadow Fall bombed. Just figured I'd clear that up since the accepted rumor is that Guerilla likes to lie about their games, when in reality it's Sony trying to sell their games.

[@ExeErdna]

That makes a lot of sense Sony sniffing their own farts only to pass the blame

[@craethedreamer267]

Thaaaaaaaaank youuuuuuuuuu!!!!

[@TheTber123]

Thanks for the clarification

[@Original-Juice]

I remember being absolutely blown away by how beautiful the game looked in cut scenes and that opening Forest level. As soulless as this game can be, it's still a guilty pleasure of mine

[@Sinn0100]

Killzone 2 and 3 were for their time breathtaking. While Guerilla did similar things to Call of Duty...COD does not move like Killzone. In Killzone you have weight to your character and the world felt lived in. The smoke effects, particles effects, player movement, physics, character models were all top notch. I will always be an Xbox 360 fan over the PS3 (had/have them both) but Killzone 2+3 were truly special. They even look fantastic today when run on a 4K UHD. Killzone Shadow Fall failed not because it was the same with better graphics...it failed to carry the name because it was a huge departure from what Killzone was. Gone were the giant battles and a sense that a huge war is taking place around you. They made you a lone wolf, put you in small, semi-open environment with endlessly spawning enemies, and cookie cutter objectives. They took away the flexibility the second and third games gave you when you fought. There is one best way to beat a level. They expected you to run around in stealth like a damn Splinter Cell game and it was far to rigid for its own good.

[@andyn46]

You articulated it all really well, KZ2&3 had such a distinct feel to them. The way your character lumbered had a much more realistic feel than anything else, but it was really the art direction that killed shadowfall for me. I get that they wanted to try something new but man it sucked, it looks like Advanced Warfare and Black Ops 3, both of which came after but it doesn’t help it stand out now. It just looks like a generic 2010s futuristic shooter when the old games had a unique look and feel

[@Sinn0100]

@@andyn46 Thank you!

[@SeanNoonan]

I'd agree that the campaign was mostly forgettable, but the multiplayer was pretty good back when the community wasn't dead/on life support. There was a standalone co-op survival mode called "Intercept" that was released a little after Shadow Fall but I rarely managed to find a game/any players. Guess that was dead on arrival - that pretty much killed my interest in playing multiplayer games on PS4.

[@Notthemikeurlookin4]

One thing I remember and was impressed about was in Killzone 2 there was a part where you were attacking the palace. What impressed me was that the AI was relatively good and utilized organized tactics. They set up defensive positions and when you and your squad pushed them and they became overwhelmed, they would fall back to another defensive position, consolidate, and attempt to counter. I was like "whoa" the first time I saw it.

[@beng6149]

I never saw what was so bad about this game when I first played it. The wing suit stuff was a cool set piece. And the final assassination mission was cool too. I think the death of exclusive FPS on Playstation was a reason I lost interest in the console. Shame :\ I'd like to get a PS5 some day. The PS3 era was my most nostalgic. So many amazing games. FFXIV used the PS4 touchpad as a mouse :) best thing I've ever seen it used

[@Sellipsis]

As a massive Halo fan back during its Heyday, The exclusive shooters was the reason I eventually got a ps3. Despite some titles i'd like to play I still don't have a Ps4 even though I seriously have copies of both Gravity Rush 1 & 2 sitting on a shelf right now. At least Planetside 2 scratches the itch MAG left behind.

[@Colin-kh6kp]

It’s not so much that it was “bad”, it was just incredibly generic and mediocre.

[@TensaZangetsu1200]

@@kyledodson2992 Gravity Rush 3 never ever. Makes me sad.

[@Sellipsis]

@@TensaZangetsu1200 at least the story was concluded. That's the biggest blessing one can get in a series that sold like wet dog scented candles.

[@shawklan27]

@@TensaZangetsu1200 this bro THIS same with no more motorstorm because of ONE flop launch title. Man shit like this is why I sony as a company

[@JanitorScruffy]

Killzone 1 through 3 were such a vibe, basically WW2 in space, cool multiplayer, fun campaign, Scolar Visari doing nothing wrong. I finally had the kind of money to buy both big consoles for the first time in my life, having been an Xbox guy at that point when this game came out, and was actually going to get a Playstation just for this and the older games. And then it came out and it was just so much flash and no soul.

[@flexivefowl8186]

This is the first killzone game I played, not the best way to experience the series for the first time.

[@zalabit927]

I can hardly say modern games are a good way to get into a franchise, most people i've known end up ignoring older games just because of looks and gameplay. Like Halo with the first 2 games without remaster graphics if people start with Infinite, or Resident Evil with the original trilogy if people decide to play the 2&3 remakes.

[@TY-km8hj]

@@zalabit927 very true. Assassins creed is the best example of that for me. I loved the older titles and stopped following the series after black flag and rogue, tho I played Syndicate about a yr or 2 ago and really liked it. Now the games have graphics but nothing that acc makes me wanna play it beside maybe origins since I hear that it the best of the new ones and still has some soul

[@llab3903]

@@TY-km8hj I loved snydicate. I’m not even interested in origins, oddysey or Valhalla

[@TY-km8hj]

@@llab3903 Syndicate got a really had wrap cos of all the unity controversy and ik it still had some bugs at launch but it's a shame cos it's a good game man. And same I just don't have interest in the mew titles with origins being more out of curiosity since its gameplay loop seems fat better than what odyssey and Valhalla have become, tho even then I've never bothered buying despite seeing it for like £10

[@sharpsonmusic]

Killzone 1 was so sick. Had such a great vibe to it. In my opinion, as much as 2 ironed out the kinks, I feel like Killzone series slowly lost the vibe that made it great with each new game. I felt that by the time Shadowfall came around, it was unrecognisable from the original and just another mediocre fps.

[@ExeErdna]

Yeah the moment they cut the co-op and the fact different characters can go different paths in KS1 it was a sign it was gonna get bad.

[@grownstepchild3135]

They tried to water down the gameplay and heavy feel to appeal to the masses with each release. Eventually they ended up trying to out “call of duty” call of duty, a battle nobody is going to win. It’s why battlefield has been failing the last two games.

[@sunsetman22]

what's your take on Killzone Mercenary?

[@doltBmB]

Guerilla games did NOT claim it was actual gameplay. They didn't even know it was being used, and were as surprised as anyone else to see their internal concept render used at E3 as anyone else.

[@lordcola-3324]

24:37 "Fighting giant robots is never fun in any game ever made." Have you played Titanfall 2?

[@gwendolineleyd6414]

No he's too busy playing bad games like doom eternal 🌚

[@hunterreed9049]

It wasn’t mentioned in the video but I did think the skydiving portion through a collapsing city was pretty impressive for the time. Transition from sky to city to landing and continuing on we’re pretty seamless. Wasn’t original but looked impressive.

[@princegroove]

The first Killzone game ever was an absolute blast, and it kept me hooked throughout the campaign. Naturally, I was beyond hyped for Shadow Fall, and it proved to be a visual treat with an underwhelming campaign and fun multiplayer aspects.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Sad really because killzone shadow fall had so much potential to be amazing.

[@thejohn2617]

GmanLives: Anyone remember Knack? Dunkey in the corner: *I do*

[@LeoJay]

Guerrilla games make the most gorgeous games with the most tired formulas ever.

[@APinchofBazel]

“Fighting giant robots is never fun” Metal Gear Solid and Binary Domain say hi.

[@WH250398]

The leveldesign The story The ending That stupid tiny objectivemarker that I couldn't see

[@dendon3384]

Gamers needing an objective marker smh. I loathe at thee.

[@WH250398]

@@dendon3384 That's because the leveldesign is that confusing in this game.

[@dendon3384]

@@WH250398 No I get it. You need a beacon to tell you exactly where to go. #handholdinggeneration

[@dendon3384]

@@HelghastStalker Bro, you don't have to explain to me that you need everything explained for you. Now sheathe your sword, get on your horse and look to that built-in GPS for guidance.

[@Pred.]

@@dendon3384 i bet you wake up every night thinking of those damn gamers and their objective markers that is a simple nice convenience, so sad you have to live like this

[@theUnprofound]

Killzone 2: What was awesome were the environmental graphics, like rain. And the first cinematic backstabs in multiplayer. Like they do in Call of Duty now.

[@steeeen]

The multiplayer was hands down one of the most fun experiences. It felt damn near perfect and was reminiscent of Battlefield Bad Company 2. Good times, R.I.P to the most slept on MP of the PS4

[@robertoflores9080]

Gman just consistently makes not only the best shooter reviews but the best reviews in general... So much good editing and exposition, ita crazy. Thanks Gman, its always a pleasure watching your videos and seeing you revisit some older games...

[@st.paddymad7085]

A damn shame we might not get more KillZone in the future. This series is what got me to get the PS4.

[@point-bl4nk]

Scammed lol

[@st.paddymad7085]

@@point-bl4nk at least there’s KillZone Mercenary on the PS Vita. Hell, the license or rights for KillZone should be up for sale if Guerrilla’s just gonna focus on robot dinosaurs.

[@LagrangePoint0]

@@point-bl4nk for real lmao

[@afd19850]

I’ve played a few Killzones and enjoyed them but I think the art style, setting, visuals, aesthetics and general world building were far far better than any of the games. If anything the gameplay and games themselves, let down the potential the world and setting has.

[@iconofsin4578]

Thanks for uploading Gman! You made my day 😎

[@Richard-hf2qf]

Hello papa, it’s me your son, Sonny Jim. Just wanted to say your content always puts a smile on my face and I didn’t think there was another cool Australian other than Steve Irwin. Keep it up papa, much love.

[@CaptJABRONIE]

When I got a PS3 my dad fell in love with Killzone 2 and 3. I thought the gameplay was ok, but the world and the hellghast were fucking dope. Most importantly is that the parts added up to something really over the top and fun. When I got a PS4 I got Shadowfall for my dad and I to play together. We didn't even make it through the second level. The first are where it opens up a little bit in a field. It doesn't look or feel like killzone.it doesn't look or feel fun.

[@alfredoyapur]

Visari's speech in the Killzone 2 intro was epic...

[@animebro14]

I hope one day guerrilla returns to the series

[@Daburubareru]

Same.

[@goosefraba7510]

Nooooo SONY said that killzone 2 trailer was in game. Guerilla games had a "spongebobs office brain on fire" meltdown in studio over it and it took them an additional 4 years until they could release a product that was in line with said false advertisement. And kudos to them. Games looks great even to this day.

[@XShrike0]

I remember really liking the multiplayer for Killzone 2. The objectives changing through the round helped to prevent one team from getting pinned in a corner and spawn camped. Which wasn't that uncommon.

[@BugsyFoga]

I remember borrowing this game from a friend a few years ago, and I remember not minding it too much.

[@mazdenporval]

I remember being extremely excited to play this game when it came out because I was huge fan of the Killzone series. My biggest complaint about it was how friggen short it was. But now that I think back on it, that might've been a blessing in disguise because playing through it was a chore at the best of times.

[@vannn__]

Despite having over 500k subscribers, gman is severely underrated, mate puts alot of effort into each video and it shows, killer work man, I've literally been binging all your vids

[@ArlenPierce]

I loved killzone 2, easily was one of my favorite multiplayer experiences too.

[@jeckek9936]

Killzone 2 was the Medal of Honor of the sci-fi genre. The sound effects....The mission on the bridge was intense. I usually turn rumble features off, but in that game it actually added to the game. Ears and hands were left fizzing once it was all said and done. @ "series Overview" - bang on point. Nice looking, but already played it. The only people not pulling their weight in the industry are gameplay developers. The irony. It wasnt original, but the template of what we expected the FPS genre and gaming as a whole to one day become but never did - an evolution of what we got on the PS2/Xbox/PC. Crysis 1 and Fear were the last time I saw video games evolve, though shout out to the From Software games (including the Core).

[@NamedKid10]

It sucks that Killzone Shadow Fall is having its servers shut down in August..

[@elfenlied9091]

Finished Killzone 2 on the hardest difficulty and i still remember how brutal some sections were and especially the final mission

[@samk4065]

Killzone 2 was some of the most fun I’ve had with a multiplayer shooter. MAG and Homefront as well. Back when controls and game design could deviate from the standardization that’s come from it. 06 -12 were the best years for gaming.

[@Daburubareru]

Ye KZ2 is cool

[@DreBourbeau]

Killzone 2 is the apotheosis of that heinous “gritty” grey and brown military shooter aesthetic that every game from the 7th gen had. And Shadow Fall presciently ushered in that equally gross uber-clean and contrast-y plastic style with rainbow palette that every game from the 8th generation would have.

[@mattsmokes2505]

Every day G-man uploads is a good day

[@CoolSmoovie]

So many people literally don’t even remember Killzone. Killzone 2 was a masterpiece in my opinion, and I couldn’t be more disappointed that the IP is basically dead rn

[@Dnbray]

I thought shadow fall was pretty good that there is now this civil war or rebellion and it shows a different side to the Helghast that they're just doing what they think they have to

[@QueenSydon]

That's the thing. Should've been playing as them from the very start. More fun and interesting, and refreshing to boot. Didn't help that Shadowfall put you in the boots of a character so forgettable his flying drone was more interesting and memorable.

[@Ferret440]

I loved KZ2, I can remember plenty of levels distinctly from others, was probably the best in the series.

[@El-Burrito]

I remember really enjoying Killzone 2. Always wished it came out on PC

[@kamilciura7953]

Killzone Shadowfall is a fitting ending for a series which has been started not by ambition to deliver a great game, but by philosophy of "we can do it too". The first game is absolutely mediocre - there are better, more fun fps games even of PS2, which is not know to be a powerhouse in that aspect anyway. Shadowfall is a similar case - it is a game made because Sony needed their big FPS tech showcase for their new console. There is no unique vision, it is by the numbers shooter which cannot decide what it wants to be. It feels like it was made because Guerilla had to do it, not because they wanted to do it. Compare it to Killzone 2, which is obviously something which can be called a labour of love. It is obvious that they wanted to create something unique with this game and it shows in both its single player and multiplayer campaigns. No game I've ever played made such convincing feeling of being a soldier at the tip of the spearhead digging in to a enemy's territory. It was gritty, brutal and made you feel like your side does have to fight for every street corner, every meter of land ahead, suffering heavy losses in the process, with both sides taking part in senseless, violent meat grinder of a fight to rule over ashes. Game had its low points (that final battle is the laziest boss stage I've ever played, topping Icon of Sin in Doom 2, which is no small feat), but overall it is a classic worth getting PS3 for. Killzone 3 was not as impressive for me, from visual perspective I prefer the looks of the second game and it felt like they wanted to take player to as many different places as possible just for the sake of variety, without thinking about whether this makes any sense from story's perspective. Another highlight of the series for me is Killzone Mercenary on Vita, which is often mistaken for PSP's Liberation for some reason. The game has been released few months prior to Killzone Shadowfall and is orders of magnitude better, even though it runs a relatively low power, handheld device. It was developed by Guerilla Cambridge, a totally different team which made MediEvil games and it is easy to see how different their approach to designing the game was. First of all, story was not as black and white any more and there was more nuance to Helghast, who were just space nazis up to this point. With it being a handheld game, it was made with re-playability in mind and thus, each level can be played with different additional objectives. But the real highlight is how flexible they made the gameplay - you could try many different approaches. In most levels stealth was as valid option as going in guns blazing and there was no instafail bs - if you were uncovered, you just had to deal with more enemies and take them head-on. The variety of weapons is also a strong point, with each gun being loads of fun to use. It even does have a shogun firing incendiary rounds. There are different armor types allowing you to choose one better suited for your play style. Finally, there are VAN-guard tools, ranging from a drone which gives you a temporary wallhack, to what can be described as a high-tech riot shield, a shoulder mounted, mini missile launcher and active camouflage among others. There are so many loadout options to choose from. Want to vaporise enemies from orbit, shoot them with insanely powerfu anti-materiel sniper rifle and shred them to pieces with shotgun firing armour piercing rounds in automatic fire mode, with a side dish of smoking them with a toxic gas grenade, all while you are clad in heavy armor? Be my guest! Want to sneak around, kill enemies with stealth melee kills, clean up with silenced SMG, shoot them with toxic darts to have a possibility of interrogation before stabbing them with a knife in to the head, use active camouflage to hide yourself from view and super light sniper infiltrator armour which makes you almost completely silent? You can. Want to create mayhem with explosives, spamming grenades from launcher? Setting up traps with proxy mines? Flying a small murder drone which stabs people's brains? Moving enemies down with a heavy machine gun? Do it. It is simply amazing how a team that has never worked on a Killzone game, or even FPS game for that matter, targeting a handheld platform, has managed to create a game which runs in circles around high-profile release of a big-budget PS4 exclusive. It is a shooter done right and deserves to get a remaster for home consoles.

[@pranoychakravorty2370]

Its funny that Killzone 2 is one of my favorite games all time , I just bought a PS3 again two months back to revisit this game (PS NOW has not yet released in my country) . Killzone series struck with me than any other FPS shooter ; The simulation feel to the weapons , visceral sound design , Ragdoll models on par with Rockstar games Euphoria Physics , attention to details . Not many people mention that how fantastic the gritty artstyle is and even the voice acting is in this game especially blood thirsty roars of the Helghast talking about bravado and hate against the ISA . Yes the Killzone series is not for everyone but it did everything successfully what BF 2042 and even the Futuristic COD games (Advanced Warfare , Infinite warfare) failed to do .

[@DEVILTAZ35]

the original Killzone is playable on PS3 if you have a launch one too :)

[@iam16bits]

Shadowfall exists for only two reasons: 1. As a glorified tech demo 2. So the PS4 could have more 1st party titles at launch.

[@bryank427]

All these years after I played this and the thing that sticks with me the most was how good I thought the campaign was up until chapter 7 and then it became incredibly frustrating and tedious to play. It’s almost like they didn’t know how to finish it.

[@madmorpheusgaming]

Oh snap, I like JUST re-watched your first three Killzone videos literally THIS week. Nice!

[@mattsmokes2505]

My brother was such a big Kill Zone fan. He even had the special edition Helghast helmet for 3 and shit. Really miss the series good memories.

[@FCV0511]

I enjoyed playing Killzone 3, and yet I had no recollection that I did until I watched some of the clips in this video. I don't recall much of anything about it, other than it being decently fun and looking gorgeous.

[@trippinsciko]

I always thought the gunplay of killzone 2 and 3 was great, it felt chaotic and like your bullets had weight because of how they would react to where you shot them, I know a lot of games did that too, but no one matched the detail and feel that 2 and 3 had to that system.

[@wise_crack]

23:13 This. I could not agree more. I still don't understand why the fuck does dualshock 4 has a touchbar. Not a single third party game uses its touch sensetivity feature, instead it is just a huge pause button. Even Sony exclusives stoped trying to find any use for that thing pretty quickly.

[@TheTwinkelminkelson]

Kinda curious what you'd think of Killzone: Mercenary. I honestly thought it was an extremely good game, not just for the console it was on but also for being one of the few FPS games at the time that genuinely had rather open-ended level design. And even let you choose whatever loadout you wanted, provided you unlocked it. It's funny cuz I expected Shadow Fall to basically be Mercenary but next-gen, but apparently it was a downgrade where it counted.

[@AJ-jq3hm]

Man you're spot on with horizon... Graphics everywhere but the gameplay boils down to that shitty far cry formula.

[@markgruner5812]

Little did Sony know they didn't need a Halo killer they just needed to let Microsoft kill Halo on their own.

[@igorpoco2420]

One problem I notice in Sony's Multiplayer games is like they assume you buy the game right of the launch date. Then if you try to play the multiplayer game for the first time after 5 years at a low level, there is a probably that you will gave up. I think Sony needs to look at games like Call of Duty to see how they treat a new players (in online mode) and see why they stay!

[@abdelali9279]

That is the problem with Guerilla, they're technically competent, but my word they are too bland, instead of having Gordon Ramsay yelling "It's fucking raw", he will just leave a mild, it's so bland. I mean and just look how poor their timing is, Zero Dawn released on 2017, who won GOTY BoTW, and it think the impact was so much that now Aloy has a paraglider too, but what does released with Forbidden West, Elden Ring, maybe we will have souls like combat in Horizon 3 at this point, I love the game but I know it is just "too safe" like a moder superhero movie, it's just a checklist of what makes a game "gud" but lacks hearts.

[@shamarbrown4014]

You sir are ahead of the game

[@mcgillaz3672]

This was one of my Ps4 titles I bought alongside the console - I remember thinking at the time it was like playing a tech demo. Big step back in every way (other than visuals) from 2 and 3.

[@Bale4Bond]

What is the fetish with people akwardly smiling in your thumbnails, despite them not smiling in the original artwork?

[@Tea_Sippin]

Killzone 2... *Still higher rated than the newest Horizon game* lol. And to its high rating, a must play, solid shooter and a solid WAR theme.

[@rorychristensen9516]

Killzone Shadow Fall was absolutely brilliant. The graphics were extraordinary, the storyline fantastic I enjoyed it immensely. Played Shadow Fall multiple times, the multiplayer was great fun.

[@ba3ism]

Totally a agree with you, sadly we're in the minority here.

[@DaveTrippin]

Okay, the unexpectedly long Frankenstein reference was well appreciated. ;p Good shit man.

[@moshikito4717]

Visually stunning, but souless, repetitive, and predictable basically describes almost every recent PS exclusive. As well as them selling supposedly high numbers but no one ever talks about them like 3 weeks after release, unless its got some kind of controversy attached to it.

[@thatredsoxfan]

Another great video. I never finished it, and I think you nailed the reasons why. It makes me glad I didn't buy my PS4 until a year after release. That final sequence almost makes me want to go back and play it... almost.

[@DJBV]

The way you talked about a Horizon show you barely played it or did not play it at all fighting the machines is something no other open world games did using different weapons and tactics and exploiting their weaknesses is something definitely original.

[@JohnDoe-uf3lj]

I think the machines are the funnest part, but all the human stuff feels really basic. I don’t think it’s bad, but it can feel a little too derivative.

[@DJBV]

@@JohnDoe-uf3lj i agree with that but you dont fight humans as much as machine and in the sequel they improved this a lot more

[@drugmate9710]

Yeah, that bit was weird. People praise Horizon because of the machine combat and the video completely ignored that aspect. Admittedly, machine combat does a lot of heavy lifting since the story, worldbuilding and side quests are really lacking and dull, which I suppose why it fits the video, but the way it was framed made it seem like it was just a generic Ubisoft open world game.

[@pozertron]

Never finished Killzone 2 (or 1) but the multiplayer in KZ2 was absolute perfection. The gameplay felt sluggish as all hell which only added to the immersion as you were playing these buff ass juggernauts that could punch holes in tanks so it made sense. All in all KZ2's multiplayer was probably the 2nd best multiplayer fps i ever played, right behind Battlefield Bad Company 2

[@thescotslair]

but what are your thoughts on Killzone Mercenary? You know, despite the fact that it's on the Vita, many would say it is one of if not the best entries to the franchise (despite how low that br might be.) I would definetly recommend you play it, even if you don't end up making a video about it.

[@theguy442]

Definently had the most varied gameplay and story. The weapon purchasing system was great & loved how it was the only game to truly portray both sides of the war as bad guys.

[@TheSimplyJJP]

Sony was forcing companies to make exclusives for the ps4 because they really didn't have any console sellers.

[@theblobconsumes4859]

Had this come out for PC, I think it'd have been a lot better. At the very least, Lorn's music for it, as well as its art direction, is great. Shotgun and slidekick are cool too.

[@ryantrudell4686]

Crazy that from 2004 to 2013, we got KZ1, KZ2, KZ3, and KZ:SF, plus Killzone Liberation and Mercenary games. 6 titles in 9 years. Nowadays, it takes almost a decade for the next game in a series to come out.

[@Activated_Complex]

I loved Killzone 2, but Shadow Fall had no staying power. It looked good, and wasn’t all industrial landscape, which was an improvement. But the campaign started with a ridiculous premise, and dwelt too long in environments that were simply not as well-designed as those in seventh-generation Halo titles, for instance. It also relied on a transforming rifle, an idea which has always sucked and which reduced weapon variety. And after a generation of games with fairly good multiplayer progression, Shadow Fall MP brought too little to the table in that regard. Actually, this was a common theme with PS4/Xbox One shooters, where the publishers appeared overly fearful of complaints about useful gear being locked behind a classical leveling system. Even my favorite game in the genre (to this day), Titanfall 2, front-loaded the unlocks and left mainly some cosmetics as rewards.

[@DEVILTAZ35]

Definitely going to watch this when i get home mate. Love your content :). I remember seeing the original reveal for this game and getting so excited. Then unfortunately i played it lol Killzone 2 was awesome and i was hoping it would be on a par with that game at least.

[@WiserOdin]

It's really funny, the first Killzone had the widest weapon variety with most weapons having a secondary fire, with the campaign having four radically different characters to choose from who massively alter your gameplay with their abilities and staring weapons, marred by being a sci-fi medal of honor ripoff that ran like ass. It even had the three weapon limit, though they could be any weapon you wanted instead of a pistol, a primary, and a heavy. The ISA even had a distinctive look and aesthetic rather than just being US Marines in Space, hell their light machine gun was a minigun that had an undermounted rocket launcher. Then Killzone 2 came out and threw away most of the ISA's aesthetics in favor of looking tacticool to emphasize their status as a call of duty ripoff. Killzone 3 at least brought some life back to the series by bringing back the three weapon limit and giving us some wacky weapons for the heavy slot, like the jetpack. So why the hell did Killzone Shadowfall throw all of that good shit away? I'm in a universe where a military force issued a .50 caliber semi-automatic, followed by a goddamn .357 magnum, why the fuck am I use an actual real world Walther P99? Why do these cool sci fi guns in the future of a world that issues some of the most insane weapons ever developed look and feel like cheap airsoft guns?

[@mariuszpudzianowski8400]

Plus playing different characters and missions changing a bit depending on your choice.

[@ExeErdna]

I agree, KS1 weapons were insane like late you get that Helgan explosive spike launcher. They did SO much right with KS1 only to just miss the mark as time went on. Mercenaries was close to KS1 yet they could have really been ahead of the curb since this was before Borderlands made co-op with different classes a thing.

[@andresalonsomartinez3070]

Kind of surprised that the bots are still as deadly since Killzone 1. When ISA bots have grenade launchers and have insane accuracy and Helghast bots have point-blank Shotguns and are kind of tanky.

[@MultiTelan]

I had this game back in the day (feels frickin weird to call 2013 back in the day) and you finally put into words my feeling about this one. Lifeless. Soulless. Generic. Eh.

[@ciderandthorazine]

i sometimes do enjoy taking on big killer robots in games, though. like in fallout 4 for example, taking on a sentry bot will get your blood pumping and often have you break from your usual loadout and tactics. some of the showdowns in metal gear games have been quite fun also.

[@brianbaugusmusic]

I actually liked this game tbh. It's not amazing by any means, and there's definitely better FPS games out there. But when I got my PS4 home for the first time and loaded this in, the graphics blew me away and to be honest (especially at the time) there really weren't that many other great FPS titles out there. It's easy to look back now and see all the shortcomings when compared to modern games and how they have evolved, but I really think the reason for this game was to showoff the PS4's capability and provide a decent gameplay loop, which I think this game nailed.

[@DXPetti]

I put a lot of time in the MP as one of my first PS4 games and really enjoyed it. It could have been because the PS4 represented the first seamless, first rate multiplayer experience for a Sony console but regardless it was decent enough. I do agree the campaign was lacklustre at best. Great breakdown

[@zalabit927]

I miss this franchise so much man, the Helghasts were a dope faction, they remind me to those soldiers from Jin Roh. A shame you only play as them on multiplayer, it's been wasted potential for a two side campaign like Halo 2.

[@0lionheart]

Can't tell if it's a failing on GG's part that people have such reverence for the literal space Nazi's, or just the way people are drawn to cool costumes and guns and forget what the people wearing them stand for lol

[@zalabit927]

@@0lionheart Yeah yeah nazis and stuff. At the end of the day, both factions were flawed, one more obvious than the other, just like the Ying Yang. It became clear as the games moved forward that despite these space nazis being monsters, the ISA ain't pretty either. Only thing that matters at the end, is that one of such sides went hardcore on their style. Yeah they're the baddies, but damn they look cool while being so🗿

[@tomsawyer283]

I think they could a jump back and explore a Helghast civil war/insurrection. Visari mentions dealing with their enemies at home and it seemed to include both civilians and internal purging. It can explore the Helghast more while stilling not making everything black/white. Perhaps the insurrectionists aren't politically aligned enough for the ISA to help and over the course of the game your faction splinters slowly leading to the demise of your party. Killzone has a lot more they can show to the Helghast govt and their people that could be explored. Additionally, it could show old Helghan but with more modern technology balancing drab dusty and grey/brown with some of the more vibrant sleek components we saw in new helghan. It's not unrealistic that places like the capital would be more polished than the slums and places where a class divide is exacerbated.

[@Jsharkey87]

I actually really enjoyed Shadow Fall. I remember getting it with my day one launch PS4 and playing through the campaign in one go and then playing a stupid amount of the multiplayer the day after. The story was weak sauce, I personally think Echo should have been the protagonist so we could see first hand the consequences of Killzone 3’s ending. But the setting of a Cold War between the Vektans and the Helghast was fascinating despite narrative shortcomings and a logical next step for the overall arc of Killzone, considering the first three games were essentially a science fiction reimagining of the Second World War. But looking back it’s clear that this was a publisher mandated game designed to be a system seller at launch and it does feel very rushed out the door to release alongside the PS4. Guerilla didn’t want to fall into the trap of being Sony’s equivalent to Bungie or 343 Industries and at least they got to do their own thing and made the incredible Horizon franchise. Not a classic like Killzone 2 but not a dud either. Solid game that had the potential to do more.

[@lordpicklenips3407]

Yeah, they made Horizon b/c they didn’t wanna be known as just the Killzone guys so they developed Horizon at the same time as Shadow fall with the hopes of making a new ip