Kimi Raikkonen vs. Juan-Pablo Montoya - 2005 Belgian GP

[@ciaronsmith4995]

6:09 - pure genius.

[@christiansimmons630]

What was your opinion on Montoya across the 05 season? And what was his problem with the car? I’ve seen a few interviews with him complaining about it but always ended with “but the car is quick”. Would love to hear your thoughts!

[@ciaronsmith4995]

@@christiansimmons630 He was fine with it by the end of the season andin 2006 he liked the car. He just had some issues adapting and was up against the fastest driver in the sport so he looked poor. Overall if you discount his shoulder injury it was ok. He was under a lot of pressure too since rumours of Lewis were growing in 2006.

[@christiansimmons630]

@@ciaronsmith4995 yeah i think Germany didn’t help, spinning out in the last corner of qualifying, considering kimi retired he almost certainly cost himself victory. But it was a great race to demonstrate how fast the mp4-20 was He was certainly quick but clearly not as consistent across 05 as you would expect. He his problems with back markers was bizarre (in my view he was just being too impatient). For me 05 was just okay for Montoya.

[@abdbcdgbja5733]

My favorite Kimi win. Not as flashy as japan or spa 2004 but the perfect demostration of his destructive pace

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Very well controlled win. He knew exactly when he had to push.

[@abdbcdgbja5733]

@@Firebolt1729 It's more his overcut laps that i like. He got fucked by the saftey car and still nailed down montoya with controlled pace

[@calderigeno]

Wtf?

[@rockersidF1]

Nothing beats Suzuka 05, Interlagos 07 or Abu Dhabi 12 for me

[@jackcatman8932]

@@rockersidF1 Interlagos 2007 was a team order

[@antoniogustave]

I started watching f1 in 2018. In 2005 I was still very young but I wish I was old enough to experience Kimi's brilliance at the time.

[@Alex-jm2vq]

Even the commentary at 6:13 were truly blown away by his pace, Kimi was a monster back in his prime

[@elliotttalksf1825]

My favourite F1 car of all time. The McLaren MP4 - 20.

[@StevOR9]

The MP-20 was hell beast able to unleash the Armageddon. Unbelievable.

[@WaifuWarsRacing]

best car to ever made out of glass tbh

[@rodzor]

Williams FW19 😏

[@joshuahowie1863]

The switch between the two Mclaren drivers and the reaction of Allen/Brundle is fascinating. Even with Austria 01 and 02 fresh in the collective memory, there is already an admission that team orders are just part of the sport and cannot be wished away. A good clip to have in pocket for newer fans who complain that team orders shouldn’t exist. A shame that it took the rest of the decade until the rulebook caught up again!

[@tobyhall8048]

Earlier in the video Allen says "because of course, team prefers are not allowed in formula one" I have to assume that one was a bit tongue in cheek

[@laurihaar1638]

Love your channel. There's so many INSANE performances by Kimi from 02 to 06 that always get ignored. I'd say Kimi in 2005 was faster than in the Ferrari in 2007, it's evident in the In car footage how much more front end he had in the Mclaren.

[@R9naldo]

What were your opinions on the 2002 and 2003 F1 seasons?

[@laurihaar1638]

@@R9naldo They were fun to watch as a Kimi fan for sure. Especially the qualifying format was super exciting.

[@R9naldo]

@@laurihaar1638 Yes the qualifying from those years do look very intense, probably because how twitchy and light those cars were, and you could actually see the aggressive style the drivers were driving

[@christiansimmons630]

@@R9naldo 2002 wasn’t really a season for Kimi was it? That McLaren had appalling reliability, what was it? 8 finishes from 17 races?

[@R9naldo]

@@christiansimmons630 I don't know enough about the 2002 McLaren to comment on that but they did suffer from reliability in 2005

[@gerrynassar3592]

I was there at Eu Rouge - at the end of my European trip. As a Kimi fan couldn’t be happier. Haven’t watched the race on tv since!

[@007DeezN]

Everyone is coasting and watching grip for the end of the race, kimi is intending to bwoahh the wings off the mclaren. Incredible

[@slovenskecesty]

Kimi in McLaren with Michelin tyres was an amazing combination

[@thrasosthrasyvoulou5533]

The fastest man on Michelin. He was amazing like wind

[@minomarazzini]

I will never understand how can we be passed from these lightweight violin-like sounding masterpieces to current vacuum cleaner sounding tanks in name of "progress"

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Di Montezemolo had a chance to veto the rules for 2014. F1 wanted to have a more environmentally friendly image but also in my view, accomodate Mercedes who had invested a lot into F1. This is part sport/part controlled entertainment unfortunately.

[@PeterTeal77]

@@ciaronsmith4995 Yes and unfortunately we sink further into the pit of WWE-esque entertainment to attract VW's subsidiary brands. F1 by 2035 is going to be entirely irrelevant

[@Dohmk]

@@PeterTeal77 for real and when all theses legends RIGHT NOW will leave F1 will loose a lot of interest sorry because we getting tired of those V6cuum .

[@mclarenguy22]

I love Mercedes personally.

[@baliktad8]

2030 agenda bullshit.

[@tosgem]

For those wondering what happened after the clip stops. Webber does indeed set fastest lap on those dry tyres (and worked his way back up to 4th) but Alonso doesn't pit. Montoya crashes due to a collision with Pizzonia (crash clip: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5bRao2re6qdi7M) . Final podium is Kimi (Mclaren), Alonso (Renault), Button (BAR Honda). Then from 4th Webber (Williams), 5th Barrichello (Ferrari), 6th Villeneuve (Sauber), 7th Ralf Schumacher (Toyota, also got fastest lap on penultimate lap), 8th Tiagro Monteiro (Jordan), 9th Christian Klein (Redbull), and 10th Felipe Massa (Sauber). Notable DNF's were David Coulthard (Redbull) on lap 18, and Michael Schumacher (Ferrari) on lap 13 taken out by Takuma Sato (see crash clip here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaepq2xoorebZpY)

[@davidhodder9939]

2 seconds faster than any previous lap , stunning

[@ALXALOY]

The best Mclaren 2005 + Best driver But with reliability problems caused kimi the championship

[@nordimejia5790]

Thet 4-20 was beautiful. My favorite F1 car.

[@SomethingTrouble]

Raikkonen in his prime era..

[@megadrivetheautoprime6112]

Blazing Fire Kimi Raikkonen...

[@cristianmendoza6951]

Que piloto Juan Pablo Montoya.!

[@alexkabui1638]

9:00 - "They say that only the greats win many races around here."

[@thomasruegg6838]

Kimi..the King of Spa..💪

[@christopherkenlock3864]

This is why I love the ice man

[@carlostapia3090]

7:14 Quite ironic, Given that in the next race (Brazil) Montoya won while Räikkönen was second and Alonso took the world championship.

[@ciaronsmith4995]

No. The championship was over by then. Montoya was usually too slow to challenge Kimi anyways, Brazil was his best circuit and Kimi made a mistake in qualifying in Brazil too.

[@khalidseada3498]

When f1 had good looking cars and engines. I miss those days

[@patriotasrbija]

This race was agriment in the "Mc Laren" club... Montoya gave pasa Kimi.. Montoya had pol posision and always was very fast at this track...Montoya couldn't chance to win championship, Kiimi could, because it was batling between Alonso and Kimi, so that it was clear that team Mc Laren made enough long pit-stop to Montoya, so Kimi could entrted in posision one...

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Kimi also knew, so wasn't pushing until necessary. It works both ways. Kimi is much faster in my view.

[@patriotasrbija]

@@ciaronsmith4995 Montoya is the fastest driver, the most talente... He won few diferent class,most famous race in dne World.. Monaco race vinner, twice Indianapolis 500 miles vinner, Daytona 24 hours triple vinner... Two years ago he won IMSA WEATHER TECH Competition...He won races in NASCAR, INDICAR... Kimi has tried to drive NASCAR, but he couldn't after half of season he has been sent home...

[@pablonaracena]

Two or three times World Champion if it wasn't because of McLaren poor reliability.

[@bild6034]

they need to add more tyre manufactures agian

[@neti_neti_]

from 0:00 to 0:25 what is the name of that base background musik playing ? going very well with Kimi Raikkonen personality .

[@markusmikkola3321]

Kimster at his prime

[@George.MavIIOOII]

The john wick of f1. My goat

[@oliverfarrelly7091]

Despite being a big Schuey and Ferrari fan that Mclaren is still one of my favourite looking F1 cars. Like many others i would've loved Montoya to stay in F1 for another few years. I hate the stupid tyre rule in 2005 that potentially robbed us of a three way title fight.

[@pateklito]

Lap 28, 1.7 sec faster🤣🤣🤣holy crap

[@oscarsunden3764]

Ralf Schumacher made Toyota's first ever Fastest Lap.

[@ajmalhussain3574]

Mclaren really messed it up in the early mid 00's with reliability

[@Ever443]

The “iceman” cometh

[@peterweicker77]

Give us back 20,000 revs. We're sick to death of overelaborated, socially responsible grandma engines. They're BORING.

[@peterweicker77]

​@@FOCUSCOMMITMENTSHEARFKINGWILL Great data points. F1 could go to straight ICE units burning net-zero fuels for less money than they're wasting. These powerplants look like props from Aliens. People who just don't get it are making stupid decisions.

[@taylandemir1336]

F1 E GELMİŞ GEÇMİŞ EN İYİ F1 PLOTU KİMİ KİNG KİNG KİNG KİMİ.

[@vans2548]

The music at the start tho

[@kevinvanegas228]

Cosa de locos michael montoya alonso kimi david boton

[@richardsamuel8108]

nice move, Jenson

[@pablonaracena]

The Great Kimi!!!!

[@javiergarrido6088]

Montoya left Raikkonen pass for the championship.. and the Pizzonia crashed into Juan Pablo unfortunately

[@ciaronsmith4995]

No. Kimi was quicker, Mclaren just didn't want Kimi to make the pass on track. They told Kimi to wait. Montoya had a habit of costing the team points in Turkey and Spa. Even though he was a talented driver of course.

[@javiergarrido6088]

@@ciaronsmith4995 Well..It is your opinion but you're totally wrong. first. That was planned by team and with Montoya from the beginning because of Kimi's position in the championship, so he Montoya slowed down during the race to help his teammate before he was hit by Pizzonia... second. you know there's no point in saying that "Montoya had the habit to cost points for the team" due to backmarkers mistakes? C'mon man.

[@ciaronsmith4995]

@@javiergarrido6088 Montoya went out last, with likely less fuel as usual (SC made it impossible to know) and Kimi knew he didn't have to take a risk on his quali lap since it was pre-determined Kimi would win the race. So as much as you're saying Montoya didn't push, neither did Kimi. Kimi would have been driving in a completely different fashion if that was a title-deciding race against his teammate. Both drivers knew what was expected. All we know is that Montoya had a faster car than Kimi in 2004 Spa, and lost and that Kimi's fastest lap in Spa 2005 was way quicker than that of Montoya who crashed out.

[@javiergarrido6088]

@@ciaronsmith4995 In Spa 2005 Montoya was crashed out by Pizzonia dude.. honeslty you forgot or what race did you see man?

[@ciaronsmith4995]

@@javiergarrido6088 Yeah I know - he was already behind Kimi at that point. But Montoya also crashed in Turkey by braking too early in front of a Jordan so let's say it was a pattern with him.

[@laterreta9734]

I've seen you many times say that Alonso has a low mid speed corner which is not even comparable to Kimi's speed, so why he has been so competitive at his peak (obviously not as competitive as Kimi but on the top of the last 2 decades)? And another question: do you think that Alonso's driving style could be combined in some way with Kimi's driving style despite Alonso prefers an understeer package and is a bit late breaker than Kimi?

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Kimi is trying to carry speed through; that is high risk. I think Alonso carries good mid corner speed but not as much as Kimi, for example. Alonso prioritizes the exit of the corner. Kimi carries massive amounts of mid corner speed too, but prioritizes corner entry. That's why Alonso is fine with understeer on entry, it's setting him up for an incredible exit, while Kimi is not fine with corner entry understeer, as he wants to get the car into the corner as quickly as possible and maintain that speed past the apex, even if it compromises his exit slightly. Yes, I am sure you could combine the two driving styles, you would have to be a driver that has aggressive inputs, with amazing car control. Would be hard to combine it with super late braking. Rare to find. Would probably have to still be someone that turns in very early and brakes earlier too.

[@abdbcdgbja5733]

His driving style is so agressive that it rotates the car really well lending itself to good exits. Alonso's advantage is that his driving style is very adaptable. It's not the fastest and has never been, but he can drive anything and everywhere with competitve speed combined with his car control. Non of the greats from the last 40 years have the adaptability matching alonso's except for senna. Not Hamilton, not schumacher, not prost, not vettel, not kimi. It's yet to be seen with Max. Kimi and fernandos driving style are almost contrary to each other. Alonso bullies the car like if it was a bull while kimi just goes with the flow. Alonso's generates understeer while kimi needs oversteer, and one of the keys to kimis driving is the early braking to unlock the great apex speed.

[@dreadalex]

@@abdbcdgbja5733 Well when Kimi asked which was his favourite car layout he said 4WD. He needed front wheel grip so as to be faster and more precise in corners. It's not like he compromises his exits, Alonso for instance likes to have traction on the exit, he is not all that pointy to the apex like Kimi. The Renaults of 2005-2006 were also very good on the front end, till mid season 2006 Alonso was running a front wing which according to Ferrari was illegal and gave Alonso immense front end grip. You can only spot the differences if both them were driving a Mitsubishi Evo. But Kimi would be faster.

[@哲也重田]

V10サウンド最高‼️

[@celestesalazararcila9234]

Montoya the king...

[@SabesQueEsVerdad]

Ese mclaren es hermoso.

[@哲也重田]

V10サウンドは良かったな

[@deltafax]

Ahi se ve como el Ron Denis ese apoyaba mas al Kimi que a Montoya, le robaron el triunfo de SPA... No solo lo demoraron, en el PIT, le hicieron cambios al aleron y con esas ordenes que le transmiten al carro desde BOXES ya para que... Pero la justicia divina existe y por eso Kimi ese año quedo subcampeon 🤦🏽😅😂🤣... Ese año fue campeón Alonso bien por el español.

[@rubeneduardodiazrodriguez9382]

Superalo locote, en todas partes ven trampas, Igual sucede ahora con Checo Perez. Y mas nunca va a ser mejor que Max. Tendria que volver a nacer

[@extraordinarymika]

6:14

[@trebolde4hojas687]

Car extremelly powerful but prone to reliabilty problems. Alonso destroy this guy in a less powerful but reliable car...

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Alonso had a car quicker at the beginning and end of the seasons as he admitted himself. Trulli even beat Alonso the year before. Kimi was just faster than everyone and understood the Michelin tyres better than everyone. If the car was reliable Kimi would have destroyed Alonso. So your comment is wrong. Kimi was the fastest driver and the chosen driver to go to Ferrari for a reason. Alonso was waiting to see what Kimi decides in the driver market for a reason.

[@trebolde4hojas687]

@@ciaronsmith4995 Renault had an alternative engine more powerful, but it was not necesary to use it. Only when Alonso had the WC title, they use it and... surprise... Alonso was much more quick than your idol Raikonnen. It must be painful not being capable to win even with an engine 20 HP superior. What a blufff of driver

[@ciaronsmith4995]

@@trebolde4hojas687 Alonso and Fisichella had a quicker car in Suzuka and still lost to Kimi. In China Renault had the quickest car by far, but Kimi was still close and still beat one Renault car. The gap between Alonso and Fisichella in the last race in quali was not as much as the gap from Kimi to Montoya in qualifying, and Montoya was much quicker than Fisichella, as a driver. Surprise, surprise, Kimi also won International Racing Driver of the Year in 2005. What you don't understand is the secret to Kimi's speed is not just his superior technique, but the fact he understood those Michelin tyres better than any other driver. He was simply unbeatable. I am not even mentioning the fact Kimi had setup issues in Canada, Brazil and China that year.

[@trebolde4hojas687]

@@ciaronsmith4995 simply unbeatable? where, when?. jajajjajaja, good joke. Many passion but no reason

[@ciaronsmith4995]

@@trebolde4hojas687 Ok today you will learn. Read this community post please: kzbin.infoUgkxR8FKa7YTgYNH7dFjaJV03zlpeOr-QwV- I have all the evidence. Did you watch that season? When Kimi didn't have grid penalties or retiring from the lead, he was winning. McLaren cost him 2 titles. He was the fastest in the world. A champion.

[@wollo6]

gimi

[@ibragimibragimov7571]

👍🏻

[@PHOENiXIlRiSiNG]

what-a-noise…….

[@picolo-t2745]

McLaren the best

[@哲也重田]

ライコネンも速かったマシンの不調がなければもっと早くにチャンピオンも狙えたのに

[@rogeeeferrari]

2005, horrible year for F1...

[@turognlz1447]

Now you can say it, but without crying 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kristapssteinbergs]

That 2005 Mclaren was a beast and best looking car in f1 history

[@jesperhannu9602]

these screaming v10s.... if im gonna die from an earrape it is from this

[@icemax7]

Something makes me think that Montoya wasn’t really taking it in his stride that he’s had to yield and kinda didn’t avoid this crash which seems deliberate

[@christiansimmons630]

Dear Lord the noise! Honestly nothing beats the Mercedes’ v10 screaming along the kemmel straight! 👌🏻

[@martinschmiedt3075]

Man do i want the old Bus Stop back

[@stonedage5087]

Same cars, no drs... Balls out

[@marcus7392]

The sound!!!!!

[@RarriLambo]

that sound at 0:28. V10 forever

[@oliviomiliucci1576]

Kimi the best

[@ptpt8615]

I miss this F1 so much

[@sergiohincapie4201]

A shame that Montoya was told by the team to slowdown for Kimi, when he got the upper hand all weekend in Spa. Which was rare in his Mclaren days against Kimi. As a result, Montoya lost track position and then Pizzonia went like a Kamikaze to unlap himself, running into JPM and taking him out of the race.

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Kimi was fast enough to pass him after the pitstops anyways.

[@thobelomhlope4472]

Apart he(Kimi) was faster in the track fighting for the championship title, & McLaren tried to avoid an on field battle that would have led to one taking the other out of the track..

[@TheRaceProject]

​@@ciaronsmith4995can't deny kimi was fast, but considering that mclaren was built around him for his driving style Montoya still did an impressive performance in mclaren even with Dennis directing that team

[@ciaronsmith4995]

@@TheRaceProject Kimi's fastest lap was 2 seconds quicker than that of Montoya.

[@TheRaceProject]

@@ciaronsmith4995 probably would have happened something similar if they put kimi in the 2004 williams alongside montoya as that car was actually built suiting for his driving style.

[@Nitro91]

Team orders use to be banned ? I just started watching f1 2 seasons ago

[@oliverlotus]

I was there..... Drove there in my Lotus Elan.

[@OptomusPrime666]

great F1 Aera

[@Kibouo]

Revenge for Montoya calling Raikkonen “a fucking idiot” here a few years earlier

[@joey_83]

Kimi Raikonnen, the very good driver and the highly earning F1 driver with a very less win... I wonder If Kimi is destined for a 5/6/7/8 championship the titles he could have done it but not destined

[@theelf152]

"Only the greats win here many times" - Correct. Alonso never once won here.

[@trebolde4hojas687]

Alonso never had the most powerful car and he was able to win 2WC. Merit

[@avishek438]

Only the greats: 1. Win more than 1 championship 2. Have more than 30 victories 3. Beat their teammates 90% of the time 4. Win in Monaco more than once 5. Become the youngest to take pole position, race win and championship as of the time the raced

[@theelf152]

@@trebolde4hojas687 See below and learn. To finish first, first you must finish. Also he had the most powerful car in 2010 and couldn’t even overtake the 4th team on the grid. He had a factory works Renault in 2005/6 with Class leading active suspension- so if you don’t understand what thats worth in lap time - go do some research. But for the worst reliability failures in F1 history Raikkonen easily won 2005. Hell he still won the same number of races despite only finishing half of them or receiving engine penalties and starting at the back more often than anyone before or since. Alonso lucked into it, he was nothing next to Kimi in that era.

[@theelf152]

@@avishek438 So you saying Stirling Moss wasn’t a great, Gilles Villeneuve wasn’t a great?. Many others that were considered better than multiple wdc by their peers never won even 1 wdc. 1. How many times did Alonso fail to finish a race due to Mechanical failure in 2005/6?. 2. How many times did Alonso have to take grid penalties despite grabbing pole? 3. 2 drivers finished with 7 wins a piece. Despite Raikkonen only finishing less than half the race or starting from the back due to mechanical failures? 4. 2005 did not belong to Alonso so -It was the worst reliability period in F1 for Mclaren. 5.How many times did other drivers have their team mates crash into the wall so he could get advantage. 6. How many drivers blackmailed their boss for unconditional no1. 7. How many drivers got matched/beaten by a rookie. 8.How many drivers finished demanded all the best mechanics in a team and demanded unconditional no1- Yet only finished 6th and beat on their chest about how great they are. 9. How many driver could not overtake a 7th Place Renault whilst in one of the fastest cars on the grid & lost a championship as a result. 10.How many drivers drove for Ferrari and Renault - two factory works teams. But failed to win at Ferrari for 5 years. Even in the 9th car on the grid and retiring Raikkonen showed far better speed than that BS artist in a works Alpine.

[@avishek438]

@@theelf152 the easiest way to compare drivers is when they drive in the same team.. and Kimi’s performance in 2014 looked as bad as your face…

[@skeletonrowdie1768]

because team orders are not allowed - LOL

[@scottl.1568]

Bring back these cars please?

[@moonchild666]

Just listen to that...

[@denisobrien6088]

Amazing how close the chasing car can get.

[@alexton7009]

Montoya: The worst teamate in F1 history. I haven't done the maths of Kimi's lost points due to Montoya in 2005 because i'm still afraid of the result . . .

[@ciaronsmith4995]

A very jealous driver.

[@vlasov18]

@@ciaronsmith4995 saying that montoya was a jealous driver is unfair, the guy never crashed anybody on purpose, like schumacher did more than once. I'd say he is just very very competitive and a very aggressive driver