Black Panther Wakanda Forever In Review - Every Marvel Movie Ranked & Recapped

[@baundiesel]

"Lupita's Spanish was amazing." Looks it up... she's Kenyan but was born in Mexico because her father was a professor there. People are so neat.

[@AllInTheGame01]

Thought it was relatively well known that she was born in Mexico?!

[@somecoolguyiknow]

God, I love Kinda Funny. The floating Andy head while Greg and Nick were talking forced my hand, I had to click the like button. 🤣

[@AloisWeimar]

The floating head is weird, corny and off putting. On the other hand, never stop using it Kinda Funny ! 😂😅

[@collin58008]

As someone with a fear of the ocean and the things that are in it...this movie was terrifying.

[@thefakejoey8549]

The biggest compliment and best way I can describe this movie for me personally is that I went in with tempered expectations. I walked in hoping I would enjoy it but thinking I would leave feeling empty and wishing it was Chadwick. But this movie did what I thought was impossible - it somehow found a way to give the fans closure right along with the characters while also giving us hope for the future. The growth, emotions, and story arcs the characters (like Shuri, Ramonda, Okoye, and M'Baku) went through were impressive the entire way through.

[@lex_rodriguez]

I completely disagree about the action - the Narmor vs Shuri fight is way way better than the first film's climactic fight in my opinion. Also loved the Talokan assault on Wakanda. The first film doesn't have much outside if the tracking shot fight for me.

[@alexlyster3459]

Oh agreed. The boat part of the battle felt a little bit like the first film's finale though still better. But the fight between Shuri and Namor was 1000% better than Tchalla VS Killmonger

[@silverfoxhole]

this is the first in review i’m watching since the new studio launched and i gotta say, the set decision for this is absolutely genius. shoutout to whoever came up with this. it’s so good.

[@SuperHellhawk]

Heartfelt and cathartic having this piece of art to say goodbye to Chadwick. Definitely not without problems with iron heart being forced in and poor action scenes but definitely one of the stronger phase 4 films

[@genodiaz2769]

im with you plus the cia/fbi/ross stuff being forced as well.

[@MINEvsWILD1]

My friends and I all gasped when we saw Angela Basset’s shoulders

[@codasyryc]

My ranking is more with Tim on this one. The handful of scenes dealing with loss and grief were great, but the A-Plot conflict motivation doesn't hold up to any scrutiny, and CGI/effects were below average.

[@AlexLove631]

Saw it twice this weekend. I think the film is an absolutely stunning story about grief, and the universal pain we all experience. It’s a movie that dares to be more than just a Mickey Mouse product, something I wish Marvel would strive for more. There’s a level of sincerity and heart displayed here that harkens back to what Stan Lee said the comics were all about: human stories. Ryan Coogler continues to do what he does best: make absolute bangers. It has its flaws like any other movie, but the story and performances truly carries it to high heights for me.

[@AngelusX92]

This is actually why I enjoyed a lot of phase four it seems more then most. Grief and different ways of dealing with it have been a prevalent theme for our “sequel” characters. Between Spiderman with his actions in far from home and choices in no way home, Wanda’s arc in wanadvision leading to her turn and wakanada forever

[@AlexLove631]

@@AngelusX92 I agree! I think phase 4 has allowed a lot of mature storytelling dealing with serious stuff. Some of the projects get carried down by other aspects, but a lot of the stuff that works works really well. I think of Sebastian Stan’s beautifully acted scene in Falcon and The Winter Soldier when he’s in Wakanda and the Dora Milaje officer is trying to activate The Winter Soldier and then Bucky realizes he’s finally free.

[@karlmoore1837]

Been looking forward to this review, lets start the week off right. This film is one of the better films Marvel has put out for a long while.

[@langleymneely]

The fact you are on the 50th induction of a Marvel villain inadvertently fits in that this is the 50th Marvel film ever.

[@Crazeyd0g]

You're forgetting the Blade movies and probably more...

[@langleymneely]

@@Crazeyd0g Im referring to Marvel Studios involved films, since the studio was formed but before they started making their own films.

[@Crazeyd0g]

@@langleymneely Well the Ragu Bagu list contains villains from non Marvel Studios films so your original post is still incorrect.

[@langleymneely]

@@Crazeyd0g I realize that. You must be a lot of fun to hangout with huh? Geesh.🥴🙄🤣

[@ConnorCreed3]

Fun fact: Ryan Coogler learned to swim for this movie.

[@ghostbusterno5]

Not being a troll but you guys skipped 37 on the ranking of the movies. Only reason I realized this is because I'm doing my own list and with Wakanda Forever it was 39 movies. I had to triple check if I missed something LOL. Love the show guys.

[@FuuNoKamiOka75]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: there needs to be a rehashing of the ranking list. I know they've rewatched things but the fact that Loki and Wandavision are in the top ten and Iron man is 16th is BONKERS. I'm not a huge fan of GOTG but even I agree that they are better than Loki and Wandvision.

[@xtinaisninja]

I appreciate that the MCU has kept Florence Kasumba as Ayo since her "oh damn" introduction in Captain America: Civil War. She could have been a one-off character, but Ayo's character keeps building.

[@xizor1d]

This movie was 11/10. Normally I would go into all the subtext and themes I like, but it's almost impossible with this movie as it's jam packed with subtext, text, metanarrative, etc. This movie was a masterpiece only hamstrung by being a marvel movie.

[@maratsglad]

been waiting eagerly for this

[@kaofounder]

That's what she said.

[@grooms93]

Love they took that guy’s suggestion and replaced the fire extinguisher at the end of the hall with the poster for the movie being reviewed.

[@HyrumReed]

Saw the movie this week, and it good, but think the first Black Panther movie was better. I agree with Tim’s ranking

[@Mybad420]

During the whole film, every time I saw Namor, Andy Cortez would pop in my head 😂

[@mincerrulez101]

She Hulk and Love and Thunder above Iron Man and Black Panther is certainly a hot take.

[@miguelsolis1360]

Hello Everyone 👋. I may have missed some news but can anyone tell me why Kinda Funny reviews are no longer being uploaded to the Podcast app for the iphone? Last episode there is "Werewolf By Night"

[@marirod7849]

I really enjoyed this movie! Probably the only Marvel movie that made me tear up twice 😢 But I LOVED Namor! The sequence when he was showing Shuri the underwater world was beautiful… that was one of my favorite sequences from the movie. 👍

[@The_Bug0222]

Really? Nobody said a thing about Tim’s “But can it melt steel beams?”?! Lmfao

[@Micah-Woods]

That 2nd suit looked like Medabots 🤣

[@bennetthasty7886]

Namor & Angela Basset were amazing 🎉❤

[@b2lamborgini]

Once again I’m standing here not agreeing with people on a phase 4 entry. Guess I’m sitting around Tim because this movie is a cool #21 on my MCU list

[@T2G_Scoop]

I still just can’t believe they put Loki and Wandavision over avengers. And GOTG > GOTG 2. And spiderman far from home is top tier y’all are crazy.

[@calebbonebrake6486]

I really wish I liked this movie more than I did. Emotional beats didn't really hit for me, plot and motivations weren't very compelling. Idk, I just expected more

[@OMGLX]

Genuinely thought Greg was about to, for absolutely no reason, start singing 'Circle of Life' at 1:14:22 -- nailed that first note by accident, I guess.

[@sumanigans]

To the point on "would killing Riri mean the plans disappear?" - I think part of it is also a message/warning to others out there to not seek out vibranium.

[@jusapikachu5212]

Just wondering when this will be on the podcast feed or if the in review podcasts have been moved :)

[@igweugo]

Also... the designs for the machine were on RiRi Williams' computer, which was under encryption so deep that you would need an actual quantum computer, and a fair bit of time, to maybe crack it. The government had the machine, that she turned into her professor, and that was it (Namor killing everyone and taking the machine removed even the chance to reverse engineer something from it

[@neojd]

This movie was way better than I thought it’d be. Solid review session boys.

[@BlazerManiacNumber96]

You could call this God of War Ragnarok: The Movie. It's a 2022 sequel to a 2018 original that I loved, though not as much as the first one. The story, while having some undeniably fantastic moments, is kind of sloppily put together and overly long. It introduces some new characters that the story spends entirely too long with. But overall still a great product.

[@ChildlikeMan]

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[@church069]

While I enjoyed the movie, the only thing that is preventing me from loving it is that it feels like there's an entire subplot missing from the movie. Guessing it was cut for time, but I felt like the whole CIA subplot with Martin Freeman and Julia-Louie Dreyfus should have played a bigger role in inciting the conflict between Wakanda and Talokan. Like the CIA should have been planted more seeds that caused more tension between the two nations that justified why things escalated so quickly. To me, that would have made Ross's inclusion in the movie make more sense and make Namor's aggressive actions later in the movie more justified.

[@igweugo]

That's likely what Thunderbolts is going to be about... now that Wakanda and Talokan have come to their understanding, and the US no longer has the machine, or the plans on the computer (or Martin Freeman). Val and her Thunderbolts make a go of it

[@caleblussier7183]

Are y’all not releasing to Apple Podcasts anymore?

[@TheRealGarate]

After watching the movie a 2nd time, she says that she's upset because she thinks her family abandoned her by not showing up in the ancestral plain, that's why she's so angry

[@JigInsane]

In the comics, Shuri was rejected as being Black Panther, but took on the mantle anyway and ended up earning the respect of the Panther God, and being blessed with her powers.

[@kaofounder]

Namora: Good plan dad Namor: I'm not really your... 😂😂😂😂😂

[@noahperez5074]

Namur is a Top tier MCU Villian.

[@elit3_tubbs106]

Does anyone know why this isn’t on Podcasts?

[@werdna2590]

Did the podcast version of the show go Patreon only or something because the last one I can see on podcast app is werewolf by night

[@StartMenuChannel]

Finally saw this movie over the weekend and loved it, was looking forward to listening to this when I got to work today! Wowee hot dog!!!

[@thomaspalmer7972]

Been waiting for this to drop needed you guys reaction to Chadwick’s tribute

[@Neon_Rust]

Placing the film in my list is hard; Somewhere high but not too high. Placing Namor is easy. Number 2. And I hope they do him right in the future. Surprisingly he could be one of the more popular MCU characters. I didn't think he'd translate well from comic to screen. But they changed him well enough. Same goes for Aquaman.

[@huntermurrell]

Had this video queued up for months. Didn’t get to catch the movie in theaters so I’ve been waiting for this to come out on Disney Plus. Haven’t seen their ranking yet but I absolutely loved this movie and Namor was incredible

[@hawt_dawg_man]

Maybe the bridge warriors are enhanced soldiers w/ extra vibranium versus the regular guard underwater. Also, a spear stab is not as bad as a close-range vibranium shotgun blast imo

[@jeffeaston5078]

The lack of a space in '16.Iron Man' is bothering me more than it should.

[@aoe41015]

I mean the story was more about grief and a showcase for the wakandan women more than anything and if nothing else I hope this was to little girls what BP was to the boys. I thought it was terrific and from all the real world and behind the scenes stuff they had to work around this was the best possible movie they could have made.

[@genodiaz2769]

I’ve had issues with the list, not my list I get it but I don’t get Love and Thunder being so high. #ImWithGreg

[@sciencedogofficial]

Maybe I need to rewatch this movie, because I came off of it not hyped at all

[@torch7325]

I think Tim is very wrong about the heart shape herb and why she was there instead of where tchalla ends up. Because it’s a similar situation to kilmonger, who’s ancestral Paine was the way it was due to his trauma as a young black man growing up in America. So her pain made her blinded to be able to truly see the ancestral plane like kilmonger.

[@Tairashimuzu]

The ancestral plane is tailored to the person going there.

[@torch7325]

@@Tairashimuzu that was my point but with fewer words lmao

[@JakeyChappers]

M’Baku definitely wasn’t joking at the end, looks like he’s going for King I also disagree and think this is far better than the first movie, anytime I rewatch BP I pretty much turn off once the 3rd act starts

[@raiden2254]

Movie was ok iron heart should have just got her intro in her tv series

[@MelodicQuest]

There an interesting thread plays out in the background. Someone mentions that Wakanda needed to be cautious because they never had to deal with an entire nation that also had Vibranium. How does Wakanda deal with the fact that they are not the strongest nation in the world anymore? That's a good storyline for future projects.

[@igweugo]

Who said that they're not the strongest? Having an entire nation if Vibranium -enfused people is definitely a problem, but Wakanda's best warriors can still fight to near even terms against Talokan's best, and Shuri, in figuring out how to better carry Vibranium from their own minds, has already figured out the sonic weapons that make Vibranium beings vulnerable. Ear plugs negate the syrens, and you now know that being on land without the breather is a short term thing... it's not as lopsided as you may think

[@zmj1799]

No idea how you guys got "M'Baku is joking" from that. He was Shuri's advisor and T'Challa trusted him so she probably asked him to take on the role of King and she will be protector as he is a great leader and she does not want that responsibility as that is not who she is, and M'Baku does not seem to want the BP Mantle either. He is putting his hat into the ring for king at the end and while it seems lighthearted he is serious. But overall, I enjoyed this movie a lot, especially Shuri's journey and I love her as BP. I think a lot of the action sans the Shuri/Namor fight is bad and there are some laughable CGI and what not. I didn't see it in IMAX but my partner and I agreed that we couldn't see anything at night and all the underwater stuff looked bad. I will also say that while Tenoch is charming and compelling, I didn't find a lot of his scenes to be good or believable and found him to be quite cookie cutter cartoon bad guy most of the time. Like the surface world destroys the ocean for centuries and you only want to kill a teenage girl became she made a machine out of spite that may find you and your people? Come on. I was hoping for more out of his character and its a Killmonger situation where the villain isn't that great but they are so freaking charming it makes everyone think they are a better villain than they are. Seriously the best stuff in this movie was Shuri/Okoye/Ramonda/Nakia and a little bit of M'Baku. When they hyper focus on Shuri in the last hour it really nails it and its a great time.

[@JigInsane]

Riri is 19 in the movie, she's younger in the comics.

[@Joshiesgotagun]

This was probably the most boring Marvel movie I've ever seen. But, my dog just passed so I also wasn't really in the right headspace to be enjoying it anyway. I'll revisit it again down the line to see if my opinion changes.

[@lungfulldrummer8921]

Think they saw a different movie than I did. Didn't think it was as good as the first black panther. And that was as mid as it gets.

[@AaronWeissTheWeissIsRite]

Not sure if it came up in the chat on the video or somewhere in the comments here but needed to clear the record just in case: Lupita Nyongo was born in Mexico.

[@paintpaintpaintco.6039]

The Apple podcast hasn’t been uploaded with a new episode in a while

[@issacrodriguez91]

Poor Tim was trying to keep it together while the Miller train was going off the rails lol

[@Leet1995]

Just before i start the review I couldn’t believe how much I enjoyed this movie. Excited ti see what you guys think. I think the only part i didn’t care for was Iron Heart. Seemed a bit rushed considering.

[@crmartin90]

I’m curious as to how the breathing masks worked. Their gills were shown on their necks but the mask were just over their face with water in them

[@gavindecroce9168]

They had the same thing over their gills but you can only see it in certain scenes because it’s under the armor

[@mutedmayday]

I hope they make a Dora Milaje movie or series

[@trinity31409]

I think there is a series planned on Disney+ following the "Midnight Angels" From other comments I have seen this is a group of Dora that do special missions for Wakanda. Aneka and Ayo who are named in the movie are two of the leads and I think they will have limited role for Okoye.

[@MelodicQuest]

As for Riri being the only one who could make the locator, I go back to Iron Man 1: "Tony Stark built this in a cave, with a box of scraps!"

[@Justin-AL]

I don’t think she made the locator the cia did it was my interpretation that she designed a machine or algorithm to detect metals and the cia took that and then redesigned it to find vibranium, essentially she created the foundation for the device but not the actual device itself

[@igweugo]

​@@Justin-ALfairly certain she created the actual device (note how the vibranium detector had custom parts made from stuff you'd find in junk yards), while keeping the plans on her encrypted computer. She turned in the machine to her metallurgy professor, the machine went from the professor to the CIA somehow, and the CIA coveted the machine as their only detector

[@TheLastProphet11]

In a Movie sense: 10/10 In a Marvel Movie sense: 7/10

[@awed24]

This movie was amazing!!!!

[@BROWITT2010]

I think it was kinda terrible. Marvel hasn't hit for me since Spiderman....

[@ThePalmer81]

Man, Homecoming is way too high on the list.. Lol. Wakanda Forever is high up for me as well. At least after one viewing.

[@ridleymathews8828]

Very slow and boring movie. They should have waited a few more years and recast Black Panther/ T’challa. Angela Basset plays a great grieving queen mother on the edge but Shiri can’t carry this movie. It was a mess with too much talking without really explaining anything. I don’t know what movie you guys watched.

[@KalebKoho]

My updated MCU ranking: 1. Black Panther 2. Avengers: Endgame 3. Captain America: The Winter Soldier 4. Spider-Man: No Way Home 5. Spider-Man: Homecoming 6. Iron Man 7. Thor: Ragnarok 8. Guardians of the Galaxy 9. Iron Man 3 10. Captain America: The First Avenger 11. Avengers: Infinity War 12. Thor: Love & Thunder 13. Loki 14. Ms. Marvel 15. The Avengers 16. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings 17. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever 18. Werewolf By Night 19. Captain America: Civil War 20. Moon Knight 21. Hawkeye 22. Spider-Man: Far From Home 23. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier 24. WandaVision 25. Doctor Strange 26. Iron Man 2 27. Ant-Man 28. Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2 29. Avengers: Age of Ultron 30. Thor 31. Ant-Man and the Wasp 32. She-Hulk: Attorney at Law 33. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness 34. Black Widow 35. The Incredible Hulk 36. What If…? 37. Thor: The Dark World 38. Captain Marvel 39. Eternals

[@CheefChaos]

I'd Drop endgame to five and move infinity war Infront of it.

[@jordanmiller3535]

I thought this movie was amazing and absolutely beautiful. Loved all of it and to me it’s better than the first

[@AidilAfham]

Shuri not wanting to be the Black Panther and having it rest on her shoulders is the whole point of the movie..

[@Allups]

Liked it more than the first

[@TheFuryEnchilada]

They didn't have 37 on the list?

[@vypermajik]

Echo? Otherwise great.

[@genodiaz2769]

#3 phase 4 movie for me behind No Way Home and Shang Chi. The rest of phase 4 is solid to meh but top 3 are great imo. Acting and emotional beats just hit. I was immersed. I dont think it is amazing however. (RiRi felt forced, action was serviceable, Ross/FBI stuff didnt fit, and the storyline was not unique - benefit of the doubt for the last one due to the tragic circumstances)

[@fcjwmusician]

MCU Phase 4… WOOF.

[@antoniorosalez933]

Seriously!? Nobody caught the 9/11 joke from Tim? Lol

[@MatthewNovak]

I thought it was fine. The biggest problem was the length and how much of it felt unnecessary. Felt like everything with Ross could have been cut and all the Iron Man armor felt out of place.

[@alexlyster3459]

The Ross stuff was 100% in there to set up future projects. I don't mind that in theory, plus Martin Freeman is always a win, but it did hurt the films pacing in the end.

[@MatthewNovak]

@@alexlyster3459 It felt like Riri having the armor was only there to set up her show too. They should have just teased her suit at the end if they wanted to set up Ironheart.

[@alexlyster3459]

@@MatthewNovak True, but I am still sort of glad that she got the suit for the movie. That way they designed it at higher budget. The practical version that is. I'm still mixed on the higher tech version she made later.

[@isuriadireja91]

guys....u seriously put She-hulk way that high...while Bucky & WInter Soldier THAT low...?? come OOOONNNNN..... go do a rewatch on Bucky & Winter Soldier....it's probably THE best MCU show, so far...in terms of it actually tells a COMPLETE story arc/a hero's journey.

[@nova1121fanz]

they explictly say Riri is 19 in the movie

[@pugz888]

What’s Love & Thunder doing at 14 🤯💩

[@AndreAckermann]

This was an okay-ish 7/10. Way too long. Riri Williams was super meh and I wish we got more of Namor honestly as he was the standout alongside Angela Bassett.

[@Jacob_35mm_movie_club]

The only one in the list I feel is so so wrong is love and thunder it killed thor and made him a joke it wasn't even his film it was more korg its poor the most disappointing than any phase 4 film

[@ericcarlow4998]

This movie was a boring slog. Namor was probably the best part. It'll rank quite low for me, on your list it would be below What If. This made me not excited for Ironheart cause her acting was so rough. Sigh. Im holding out hope for Quantomania still.

[@LouhiIlpotar]

Absolutely lost it at vibe to vibe lol

[@karlmoore1837]

I hope when Secret war comes out and reboots the MCU, that you guys go through and fix this MCU ranking list.

[@CruzaderKnight]

Vibe2vibe

[@piusdoe8984]

"Shuri is skilled fighter"😆 🤣 😂 yahhh Tim. standing around shooting with her fists previously is masterclass in fighting Shuris arc was good. Just don't like her as Panther and herb making you suddenly incredible. Def shud have been okoye nakia or mbaku

[@igweugo]

It doesn't make you incredible; Namor was piecing her up, even still, before the dehydration really set in. But folks pretending as if Shuri wasn't trained to fight are being ridiculous here. Nakia makes the point of saying that Okoye is the greatest warrior Wakanda has ever had; that doesn't mean that T'Challa and Shuri can't fight in their own regards. Shuri's not Okoye, but she was prepped enough to stand against N'Jadaka when he came for her, while holding her own in the civil conflict as well, while also fighting on the frontlines in Infinity War

[@yeschefx]

i already knew before clicking that Tim was gonna be deep throating this movie so hard 😂

[@LifeOfMikey1]

what the hell does everyone see in She-Hulk? deserves to be last on the list

[@PoppinRods]

Catching up on content. Just listened to this and Quantumania. Completely disagree with how you judged both movies. Shuri was absolutely awful as Black Panther. She acted like a teenager going through puberty the entire movie. Whined and cried the whole movie. Quantumania was way better than this film and it’s not even close. I liked Wakanda forever for a lot of reasons, but I like Quantumania a lot more.

[@solidsnake444]

In terms of your guys list… I’d have this above iron man 2. Did not care for this movie at all.

[@shamnarayan9582]

The movie was so boring, I felt it was one of the worst Marvel movies of all. And seriously Rest in Power and all that for Chadwick Boseman but this is his fault. He took the role knowing that he had terminal cancer and now he died and left the franchise in a bad place and we got this terrible nonsensical sequel. They couldnt carry the movie without him, it was vastly inferior to the first one. What a mess.

[@billbuttlicker2141]

This was up there with Doctor Strange 2 as one of my least favorite marvel movies. It was an absolute mess with nothing of consequence happening. It was nearly 3 hours long and felt like 10 hours.