Let's say mike buys a PS. He said he doesnt have money to blow and that's fine I dont either. For the sake of arguing xbox and ps put 4 each per year without counting with other multiplat games, that's 560 dollars in 8 games from xbox and ps per year. Add ps plus to that. How is that even a financially reasonable choice if you're financially limited? Even if you buy games on xbox you can play them on pc or steam deck or wherever the hell you want to play.

As long as gamepass exists, yes.

Well I’m getting a new phone at some point so… I’m getting a new Xbox.

I think it’s pretty clear that when it comes to hardware, Microsoft is treating Xbox like Surface Pro. They’re not trying to compete there. They’re doing all of this just to avoid being put in the same category as Sega. That to this day people talk about the Ls of the Saturn and Dreamcast. Their pivot is to become a 3rd party developer that has some hardware. They make their money putting software on PCs other people make. But they still need companies like Nvidia, like they always need Sony. I’m fully on PlayStation, but I totally bought into the og Xbox and the 360. I still have all those games. I don’t see a reason to buy whatever the next Xbox is. I don’t see that same energy and commitment.

Can we just combine them and make the "PlayBoX" ?

Only of that mf got steam

The reason you would own Xbox is the other than just gamepass is the fact that you can move your games to multiple devices other than it being stuck on one device. They are saying Steam can do that too. So if you are getting PlayStation exclusives on steam why not just buy everything there? Why own a PlayStation next gen? If you are saying gamepass doesn’t matter to you because you get review codes then you are not grounded with the audience you are trying to convince. Phil has said that the next console will sell itself by the way they are going to innovate in hardware. So wait and see if those innovations speak to you or not. It is a good thing that more people are getting to play more Xbox games. It allows for more great games to be made. It also supports there continuing to be hardware. Hardware is getting more expensive but the good thing is next gen we are going to have more options even a Steam console.

Unlike other parents that give their kids phones for their birthday I gave my 10 year old son an Xbox series X and 3 months of Game Pass ultimate and he's been in love with it ever since and ever since then I've been paying for his Game Pass subscription for 3 months and he's pretty much playing Xbox and I recommend a lot of people to teach their children to love Xbox or PlayStation at an early age because for some reason parents are not giving them the real machine for gaming instead they're giving them Apple phones.

The other element of this discussion that you didn't discuss is why would publishers also go out of their way to create and maintain a Windows Store version of their game, when they can just create a Steam version (if the new PC-Xbox Hybrid does have Steam like it's been discussed)? Outside of native GamePass support I don't see why people would choose the current Xbox hardware over PS. PC makes the most sense as it supports GamePass and has access to PC, PS and Xbox games.

XBOX Now XBOX for as long as there is a console to Buy. I Love the XBOX Experience over every other platform. I personally don't care if others get to play XBOX games elsewhere has zero effect on me and how I enjoy to play.

I'll say this, there hardware still has a shot at making an impact if the hardware itself is innovative. If its just a run of the mil, more powerful Xbox, its very likely cooked. However, if it does something that bring huge value to the consumer, like completely changes how we play games or gives us options that are streamlines beautifully we can't get anywhere else, then it could find a place. They would have to find something new which neither Xbox or Playstation has done on a large scale in perhaps decades.

When you buy a PlayStation game on the console does it give you the option to play it on PC? Unless PlayStation comes out with a PlayStation storefront any time soon with cross platform ability then I think Xbox is the way to go with all the different options they give to play.

If the NextBox has Steam/EPIC access with the addition of GamePass for less than the price of a high-end gaming PC then OF COURSE I’m buying the next Xbox console. Access to PC games on console means access to ALL games including Sony games on PC. Yes!

I buy Xbox for the Xbox Ecosystem. Xbox does back compat best of the big 3, and the play anywhere feature is a sell for me too.

Exclusive games matter, no matter what any fanboy says.

This guy is coping hard, they are being more transparent ???, Have you heard all the flip flopping of Phil Spencer.

If you move over to PC and you purchased a digital Xbox game you should be able to play that game.

Just watch, the strategy for next xbox is to get out a whole year + ahead of ps6.

There is no reason to be an Xbox gamers at all today.

I am not excited about Xbox Future. Why? Games, Marketing & the Console itself dosen't feel like Xbox anymore. The nostalgia needs to be recaptured. Was Bethesda the reason why people bought Xbox in 2004, No. Acquisitions? No. Not the reason. Putting games on the already existing (other consoles) Sega Dreamcast or PlayStation...No. For starters It was that Big Fat Green X on a box that looked like it dropped from an alien spacecraft from outer space. So at this point they might as well just create a microsoft studios and work for Sony. I'm sorry but they are losing their mean & green.

The Xbox in here won't be cheap and if no one's buying the console why would anyone buy the handheld? The only people that's going to buy that handheld are the people that already have a Xbox console. They're not going to get anybody new because they have no exclusives. That's why the rog and the steam deck don't sell 15 million 20 million units because it's just a multi-plat machine

As long as xbox consoles are made, i will buy the premiun version each gen they are around for

I'm buying next xbox i do not care what other people gets to play

Defnitely not buying the next xbox. I got a series x as well as ps5 and just traded it in towards ps5 pro. Ill happily cut one console out of my life and just play whatever decent games xbox can get out the door when they inevitably come to playstation

Does anyone here actually work a big company? Changes in strategy and messaging happen multiple times a year even when you’re very successful, it’s really not a shock or worth using as a “Xbox is dying” argument

Yes I’ll buy the next Xbox because of game pass.

Microsoft & Xbox are giving us all the reasons to switch to PC & PS5

No one is even looking at the state of PS. No one is saying the obvious, Sony isn't doing good as a business. Sony current stock price are trading less than Gamestop. WHAT!? Leadership shakeups, historic number of SIE network hacks and system compromises, and the price gouging of their products, 1st party game cancellations, money hatted purchases. From the outside SIE may look good, but in the background as a business, PS are hiding their many many failures. If Xbox does the rumored PC/Console hybrid, then I will do that or just do PC. PS are releasing their full slate to PC anyway.

The biggest problem here is that none of these guys are down to earth any more. Boots on the ground why do people want an Xbox…gamepass. For most of us who are money limited, gamepass offers the best value for money subscription right now. It allows those with limited money to play all the first party games for a committed single price. Buy a PlayStation and I’m looking at played maybe 2-3 of those games a year for the same cost.

I have over 100,000 gamerscore I've accumulated since the 360 era so I'm definitely not going anywhere. While I do game on PlayStation as well it's only the 1st party releases. I have always preferred to play all my 3rd party stuff on Xbox.

These dudes all love PlayStation so much 😂

Mike is complaining about not having the money, so why even consider going to PlayStation where the cost of three games is more than a year of Gamepass? Going over to PlayStation because Xbox games are going over is counterproductive unless you're rich, or only play one or two games a year. Despite having more games on PS you'll end up playing less games anyway because of the cost. Not to mention having to re-purchase games that are already in your Xbox library. Whether you buy Xbox console or PC, I'd recommend staying within the Xbox ecosystem.

You were so close to getting a third 10!

once the Steam console releases… ill never play on Xbox again sadly

Why 1 camera?

I'm like Mike right now and stuggling. I'm a Playstation boy, but had a 360 back in the days. Recently, I'm feeling hype for games like Avowed and South of Midnight. I'm really debating where to invest to a Xbox Library : Xbox App or Steam. If I buy an Xbox, I'll have all my game in the OS. On Steam, I will not have those game in my Xbox library in the future if I buy a console. It's cool to play those game anywhere, but it's getting complicated WHERE i should invest.

As long as Gamepass is not on PS6 im going to buy the next Xbox. The 3-4 PS exclusives I want to play are not worth me paying £70+ for every game I would play on Gamepass. Gamepass is still the best Value in gaming I hate how everyone says just get a PS5 like we all have infinite money.

Xbox are killing it PlayStation are not innovating abd don't have exclusive why would you have a PlayStation over xbox... crazy talk!

Steam OS with its cloud save and Xbox play anywhere is a match made in heaven. Only issue would be Xbox not wanting to bury its marketplace on its own console bc Steam is obviously better. The kicker…Gamepass. If gamepass makes business sense. Steam on Xbox makes business sense.

This whole discussion is nuts to me. Game Pass is Xbox now. And Game Pass is killing it. For years now. If you love games or consider yourself a hardcore gamer and don't have Game Pass, I don't know what you're doing. If you don't want the Xbox hardware that's fine. Maybe that will make Xbox think different about how to differentiate their box in the future(Steam , handheld whatever)

all pardoned because it was nowhere near as bad as you loony libs claimed it was

The pseudo-monopoly Steam has on PC needs to be studied. Because Epic, MS, or whoever else comes along could literally do EVERYTHING right and it wouldn’t matter. People say oh Epic is shit bc this or that, MS is shit bc this or that, but ultimately let’s be real here it doesn’t fucking matter at all. 99% of you aren’t going anywhere because you have money invested in Steam. It’s the same dilemma Mike is dealing with now on Xbox, he has money invested and doesn’t want to go.

I sold my Xbox no reason to have 1 their games are coming on to the PlayStation 5You guys don't even buy your own exclusives but you're willing to pay $70 for Xbox games go right ahead They they take it They're happy like Phil said not All games are going to the PS 5

So you will be buying a PlayStation to play Xbox games Sounds about right I literally just bought a Xbox I had the Xbox for 7 months Since then I have not turned on my PlayStation there is no point I get to buy games when they 1st come out Add a huge discount Cause I just Subscribe To gamepads $20 a month And now the new Xbox PC hybrid console Handheld Be able to play my games anywhere I Be able to play my games anywhere I want Xbox is where it is Remember what Sony did to Kodak!? Kodak didn't wanna change Sony came out with digital cameras You can use a SIM card you could download your pictures. Kodak just didn't wanna follow suit The same thing Sony's doing now What Kodak did before And if Sony don't put their foot ' down And follow suit Sony is going to fall Sony's doing bad all around They're pulling all their movies out their movie theaters Games cost 300 million To only sell a 1.5 million copies of software!! Movies Cost a lot of money more than games sometimes To get pulled from movie theaters Cause they know Nobody's gonna watch their movie Sony's in a big predicament They canceled 12 games!! 12 games they already spend money on they have to throw it in the garbage 2024 sony lost Billions And when the PlayStation 6 comes out With no games No lineups I don't see 65 million consoles getting sold And that will be my 1st time since 1996 that I will not buy 1... And to hear these fan girls Sony's the way to go PlayStation this PlayStation that PSSR You have to disconnect pssr To play some games Everything with PlayStation they wanna sell you $700 console they want you to pay and play Oh you wanna a handheld you need to Own a PlayStation 5 Sony see it themselves this is why they trying to squeeze money from everything PlayStation 6$800 or better Cause they know They barely their own software so they have to try to squeeze money Like as I said no lineup no games No PlayStation It's common sense You got 4 idiots talking nonsense

Nah it’s clear more than ever all future games are going to ps perhaps even day and date as they look to maximise profitability. For me it’s just a PlayStation and switch going forward

To answer Blessing's question, The next Xbox is definitely not going to sell very well. The current one barely sold. And the next one is going to be even worse. It's going to be one of the worst selling consoles in the history of all major company game systems ever. Like the Wii U is going to have outsold this thing. Is Xbox going to be in a better position once they sell it? No. Not a chance.

At least Xbox has made it interesting for everyone. If they shock the industry with a new type of pc / console that's rumored, we're in for a hell of a ride. That alone makes me want to continue with them.

“Trading the reach of IGN for the intimacy of Kinda Funny” is such a beautiful way to state it. I’m so glad I discovered this community however many years back. Cheers to the team, the community, and another 10 years. If you guys ever have a janitor spot open up, I call dibs 😉.

Listening to you guys talk about all this stuff...... You keep talking about Xbox figuring out how to make Game Pass do all the things that Steam does. And you're apparently okay with paying extortionate amounts of money for that? When Steam does it for free? All of these Xbox games are coming to Steam anyway. Why would you waste money on Game Pass? If you get them on Steam then all of those saves and stuff synchronize anyway. You have all those games made by Microsoft, but they just automatically do all the things that Steam games do. And you don't have to pay 10 bucks a month for no reason. Did you get insane Steam Sales, where shit is like 90% off frequently. Instead of paying $120, or $240 a year for nothing, why not spend that money on the same games that you want to play on Steam when they go up on an insane sale? There are more games than you could ever fucking play, there's basically no reason to buy anything when it's full price the moment it comes out. It's just going to go on sale and a few months, and in that time you could have played some other game that you wanted to play. You can save yourself thousands of dollars. And if you have Amazon Prime for shipping, then you automatically have twitch Prime, and twitch Prime just fucking gives you like 10 games at a time every few weeks. I think they just gave me the entire Bioshock series for free yesterday? And The Outer Worlds. I think they've given me basically the entire Tomb Raider series at this point, and the entire Deus Ex series, and the entire dishonored series and Shadow of Mordor and most of the Fallout games, and a bunch of Hitman games, and a ton of Doom games, and Prey, and a bunch of Baldur's Gate and Never Winter Nights, and Quake and Oblivion and OXENFREE and Grim Fandango, loads of Warhammer games, Jurassic Park games, Super meat Boy, elite dangerous, predator, some Lord of the Rings dwarf game, Guardians of the Galaxy, which it, killing floor 2, Ghostbusters spirits unleashed, Tales from the Borderlands, a bunch of other Borderlands games, Ninja Turtles games deceive Inc, sunless skies, death loop, rage 2, ghostwire Tokyo, Payday 2, saints row 4 remastered or whatever, evil dead the game alien isolation, Europa universalis, Yooka-Laylee, Rebel Galaxy, void bastards, overcooked, Sonic mania, control, civilization, a bunch of Assassin's Creed games, bunch of walking Dead games, like every goddamn Batman game that's ever been made?, subnautica, etc etc etc And I VERY inconsistently remember to collect my free games. This is JUST the ones I remembered to pick up. I am drowning in video games. I've played maybe 1% of the games that I have, because there's just simply not enough days in a year, or hours in a day to play them all. And the number of these games that I've actually paid for is zero. They were all free. And then you can go to my Steam, and look at the hundreds of games I have there, which I did pay for, but I paid very very little for most of them, because Steam sales are absolutely nuts. So I really struggle with understanding why you guys want Game Pass involved with anything at all in any form ever. Why do you want to subscribe to something that's ridiculously expensive and gives you nothing, when you could spend that money on actually owning games that you choose that you actually want on Steam, in addition to just building up an insane library of free games? If all these Xbox games are just coming to Steam anyway, Game Pass is just completely worthless. You're basically wishing for the ability to of pay them money for no reason whatsoever. And I'm sure Xbox appreciates that, but it doesn't make any fucking sense.

I’ll probably buy the next Xbox, I just have too many fond memories associated with it and I’m way too deep into the ecosystem. PlayStation games are great, I bought a ps4, binge played through all the top exclusives I wanted to play, then resold it. I’ll probably do the same with a ps5 at the end of its lifecycle. The switch is my second console.