For the modern kit drummer, being able to stand up and move around during a performance is a rare pleasure.
@douglasjackson85712 ай бұрын
Ever Play in high school marching band?? Late-night mind plays tricks on small keypads
@warren_r Жыл бұрын
4:00 I don't think people understand that at the time this album came out in 1981, NOBODY sounded like Tony Levin on bass here. NOBODY would have guessed that he was playing both the rhythmic part on the upper register while also playing the bass chords. Still breathtaking to this day.
@creageous Жыл бұрын
I first saw Tony play with Peter Gabriel and I was so excited when he joined crimson.
@susanarosarojas5015 Жыл бұрын
Totalmente cierto. Absolutely right.
@snoopstp4189 Жыл бұрын
you realize he's playing a stick and something like 95% of bassists played a fender precision.. steinberger's were becoming big in the new age crowd but there wasn't much variety of bass sounds at the time.
@late_octoberish Жыл бұрын
@warren_r • - really appreciate this unbelievable little great detail to take close notice on tony and that unbelievable performance I would miss hadn't I stomble upon your comment on him. I was looking at the screen listening to see who is playing back somewhere on stage, a band mate, an instrument is missing and "who is playing .. " 🤦👍
@SoundOldies10 ай бұрын
I was lost when i seen them on stage at that time, wondering what was going out of it, then I understood the place Tony hold in it, like in all others pieces of that era.
@peterresetz1960 Жыл бұрын
Back in 1996, I was sitting in my little Dodge Neon with an upgraded stereo, with my brother sitting in the passenger seat. Playing was the CD of this album with the volume set low as my brother and I were still yada yada-ing. After about two minutes of the song SHELTERING SKY was playing, my brother reaches to the stereo and turns the volume up, and your sits quietly and listens to it. When the song ended, my bro said "Damn. That song needs to be longer". I'll never forget that because my brother was into bands such as KISS, Ted Nugent, AC/DC, etc.. I never made my brother a KC disciple, but he really liked that song. He said it reminded him of fishing. My brother also drink a lot of beer.
@rods64057 ай бұрын
Top Comment!
@taxirob22487 ай бұрын
the deep, intense bass lines on DISCIPLINE are what Les Claypool built his whole career on
@davemoskot17767 ай бұрын
I would love to have a beer with you and your bro whilst enjoying a cold one… This song rules.
@nizarchebbi3225 ай бұрын
Sheltering Sky, on rainy day in a long car ride. Ending when the evening sun breaks through the clouds. That's what comes to mind when listening to this track.
@sawbonesquad48763 ай бұрын
your brother was onto something, smoking a bowl to the melodic basslines and trippy synth right now
@Blank_Frank8 ай бұрын
Adrian's guitar part makes me shiver every time I listen to this
@Bunny99s3 ай бұрын
:) It Belews you away. This is pretty much my favourite track from this concert in frejus. Had it burned on a CD years ago and had it on repeat when driving in my car :)
@808sos7 Жыл бұрын
This is one of my favourite crimson songs. This song really turn me in to a King Crimson fan.
@wasabiflavoredcocaine Жыл бұрын
This is probably one of my favorite songs ever
@yaserdavidcruzdelgado1825 ай бұрын
The entire albums Larks and Discipline
@alexv850 Жыл бұрын
It is one of my favorite KC songs. I had the privilege of hearing this song live in 1994. Due to my age it was my first chance to see KC live. Back then I was living in SE Asia. I bought a plane ticket and flew home to Hungary just to see this concert. Actually two concerts. One in Budapest and the next day in Prestov, Eperjes in Slovakia. And in the second day they played The Sheltering Sky too. Never forget. It was worth the plane ticket many times over. Thank you Bill. This music is a big part of my life.
@thomasmeadows263211 ай бұрын
And that tongue drum still sounds good today! It’s a bit battered but still sounds great and I own it now! Thanks Bill😊
@nintendoor19 ай бұрын
do you have any clips of you playing it?? would love to see / hear!
@AcidNoir3 ай бұрын
😮😮😮
@bencarter6702 Жыл бұрын
Still a classic. Only Bill could make a piece of wood sing like that for 10 mins straight.
@yukas1ngas Жыл бұрын
He had a great teacher David himself told this
@snoopstp4189 Жыл бұрын
remember the first time I actually saw that wood box, and what it was, just assumed it was like a marimba with custom bars or something..
@KeithRowley11 ай бұрын
It’s called a tongue drum. Based on Central African log drums.
@marylikens68475 ай бұрын
Yea, and who taught Fripp to play like this
@marylikens68475 ай бұрын
The walrus
@arpodyssey7913 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the descriptions you write for all of these videos. It’s nice being able to have insight into the band and it’s songs from a direct source and member.
@pauldavies4070 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. Bill's commentary goes beyond "tales from the trenches" (amusing though such anecdotes are) to provide insights that deepen my appreciation of the music. Bill's contribution to this piece ("both musically minimal and structurally foundational") is reminiscent to me of the silence that he contributed to "Trio".
@rafanj8249 ай бұрын
Fripp killing in that guitar, seated in the dark like that seems like a villain of a movie. KC is so incredible, i'm in love with their first album right now.
@herb6677 Жыл бұрын
I am not a musician , but my son is. whenever I go visit a shop for musical instruments with him and I see a slit drum, I have a go. Maybe someday I'll buy one for my own sheltering sky.
@gnyx1566 Жыл бұрын
If this is the BBC film of the concert, I was a camera assistant on it. Heady days.
@Bunny99s3 ай бұрын
That's great. You rarely hear or notice anything from all the people behind the scenes. I just wasn't around yet to witness it around that time (born 83). My dad was a huge Crimson fan alongside Yes, Genesis, U.K.. Though he already passed away in 2007. All this music is linked to great memories
@nickpollard9998 Жыл бұрын
This is probably my most played song. It's on my "Sleep" playlist and I drift off to slumber land most nights with it. It actually makes me feel closer to my kids as I was playing it as a comforting tune while my marriage was falling apart and as much as a gorgeous tune as it is, I play it more so to be "with my kids" coz it was the song I played every night when we were all under the same roof ❤️
@nickpollard99987 ай бұрын
@TobinMiller-el6yk Thanks mate. Still gets played every night and I drift off thinking of my babies 🥹 (who I can't wait to see this weekend ☺️)
@Itsjustjess3523 ай бұрын
I can relate to your comment so much. 🫶🏼This one gets played almost as much as Phil Collins Take Me Home (live 1990 w/ Chester on drums).. when nothing else makes sense, the music seems to keep me on the right side of things. I hope you have found a little peace in your life now. 🙏🏻
@nickpollard99983 ай бұрын
@@Itsjustjess352 Thanks for your kind words ❤️ That peace is still eluding me for the moment but I have the kids as my pillars of hope. I know one day it will all fall into place and things will be better. I know it will be, it's just the getting there that is hard work.
@Itsjustjess3523 ай бұрын
@@nickpollard9998 I hear you my friend. 🫶🏼 I’ve been fighting for freedom since 2018 now…and my (seemingly never-ending) divorce case has been open for over 1100 days now. ❤️🩹 I look to my babies & my music for whatever peace I can find, even if it is just briefly. I hope things turn around for you soon!!
@tomtownley68712 ай бұрын
I saw this comment and just had to say, I'm in the exact same boat. I have no doubt that one of things that has kept me sane in that situation has been music. This era of Crimson is a good contender for my favourite music of all time, so it's got a lot of play recently.
@michaeleastes17052 күн бұрын
This group, in its many iterations, has been blowing me away since 1969.
@juresaiyan Жыл бұрын
How can Bill move around, with the kit in his arms and never miss a beat is beyond me.
@Bunny99s3 ай бұрын
Yes, this has to be tiring especially since the piece is almost 11 minutes long :)
@dcullins30618 күн бұрын
He's a genius, and obviously, he works out.
@tamara89086 ай бұрын
Fantastic cinematography and sound. I saw them in NYC during that era. I had the biggest crush on BB. I cornered him for an autograph he gladly gave it to me being almost surprised saying women don't usually come to these concerts as fans. 2024, still love these guys.
@jdmresearch Жыл бұрын
Perhaps my favorite song from the 80s Crimso
@bAgRiMoIrEsS.4 Жыл бұрын
King Crimson was my gateway music to jazz and Bebop.
@brakinggnus5229 Жыл бұрын
Pine Knob Theater in 1984. Most beautiful sound I've ever heard. Screaming my lungs out because, you know, musicians need encouragement.
@GerardPetrone-n4n7 ай бұрын
The best lineup of Crimson in my opinion.
@shanehagan7 ай бұрын
Mine too
@robertnobody Жыл бұрын
It's called a "Slit" or "Log" drum, it's a percussion instrument you can still buy today.
@kumoyuki Жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant version from absolutely the best KC lineup of all time. SO much patience with everyone just grooving on each other's improvisations! I saw this tour at Robin Hood Dell West in Philadelphia. _Indiscipline_ was the single loudest thing I have ever heard. "I LIKE IT!"
@rnemchev Жыл бұрын
Totally agree!
@davidraymer397 Жыл бұрын
Seeing this concert was a life changing experience as a young musician.
@perameter444 Жыл бұрын
I've met and known thousands of people. Only two knew more about music then me. I was introduced to King Crimson by one of them in 1984. I tell people today that I think that Discipline is the best album ever made.
@davemoskot17768 ай бұрын
You are correct, sir…with absolution.
@VDGG21123 ай бұрын
One of the jewels. Along with lark, tongue, and red
@benhogan66753 ай бұрын
Clown shoes
@francoisbaugey25702 ай бұрын
@@VDGG2112.... For me Discipline, In the Court of the KC, Starless & Bible Black and Lark's Tongues in Aspic....
@willmercury7 күн бұрын
I wonder how many of them know the difference between "then" and "than". Time for some more discipline, genius.
@songmanl1480 Жыл бұрын
I saw bruford when he was with King Crimson during the discipline tour Syracuse New York.
@mentalrectangle Жыл бұрын
this song lives rent free in my head and I'm okay with that
@ConcernedCitizen-pc4ql3 ай бұрын
The magic of these musicians producing a timeless masterpiece
@zackzallie8735 Жыл бұрын
Way ahead of its time. KC is so different to their prog contemporaries with their unique approach. Post-rock must be owed a lot to Fripp's soundscapes. Adrien Belew is so damn amazing, that touch of sound effects that made the band sounded like it launched them to the seventh sky or something
@mentalrectangle Жыл бұрын
It's cool to see Fripp how does the first solo, then Belew does the 2nd solo, then they dual for the final act with their styles being very distinct and perfectly complementary to each other.
@clockworkthoughts78305 ай бұрын
Didn't think there was any way this track would actually sound this good live. Amazing.
@jameslennane15493 ай бұрын
You should check out BEAT - Belew, Vai, Carey, Levin playing the 80s Crimson. Steve Vai brings a whole new dimension to Sheltering Sky
@toddglacysacredsoundandliv7971Ай бұрын
Best $25. you probably ever spent on an instrument Bill! I always loved how you incorporated it into this music...perfect.
@lorenzofeugg7540 Жыл бұрын
Masterpiece. Like the full Discipline record. Thank you Bill
@elemkay5104 Жыл бұрын
I'm not a massive fan of KC by any stretch, but this song is mesmerizing, hypnotic, rhythmic, powerful, angry, brooding, soulful, whimsical, and so much more. I love the interplay between dissonance and harmony, and how each of you grounds the song and evolves the flow at different sections, underpinned by your never missing a beat on the box. Can tell by your smile how much you loved just beating out the rhythm and watching what your fellow bandmates would lay over it.
@philluck4649Ай бұрын
I’m French, I’m a musician and I attended this concert in Fréjus, I was 20 years old. They played the first part of Roxy Music. Everything was very sober. There were only these 4 guys without special effects of light or pyrotechnic. Just their music that literally stuck me and my buddies. Wow, it was magical. then we went to the end of the fourth song of Roxy Music which played next: sorry Brian but it seemed dull and already seen. I saw a lot of concerts but this one is etched in my memory forever. Aliens
@nickfoster391629 күн бұрын
❤
@barrowsworm1226 Жыл бұрын
So glad to have heard this played a couple of times... One of my absolute favorites from the 80s Krim. Shivers right now listening to it again. To me this one of the most "perfect" musical statements of this incarnation of King Crimson, born of improv, refined later in some structure, but still allowed to breathe and morph in performance.
@RivLoveshine Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I was looking for. A song using a slit drum instrument. The first few seconds are exactly what I needed to see.
@Magnetar2049 Жыл бұрын
Mesmerising, one of the best compositions ever.
@georgewaters8592 Жыл бұрын
I just found out about this new video here via a post on Sticklist, which prompted this observation from me: Post Re: New King Crimson video That's one of my favorite songs of all time, and was a huge reason why like 35 years later I purchased 2 Ironwoods. Everything about The Sheltering Sky is magnificent, Bills playing, Tony's playing, and of course the interplaying between Robert and Adrian. Every time I hear this song, it brings me right back to say 1985, in Greenwich Village, 8th ave... say near the street that brought one to Golden Disk, looking south at the twilight sky as a very bitter cold day turns into night. I remember a pizzera in the area, across from a small park that ran south along 8th ave, but more than anything else I remember the deep deep dark blue sky, and the bitter cold on my face. What a time to be young and alive !! *The mid 80s were so special to me, and I suspect many many others as well... Thanks for posting this video, watching it and listening to it very carefully brings me back to a very special place which sadly no longer exists.... PS: Bill, your playing is so important here... without it, this amazing composition which is brilliantly preformed here would not have worked.
@davemoskot17767 ай бұрын
“Discipline” changed people’s lives…
@Charles-d4j4 ай бұрын
Long love Bill Bruford! 👍🙃
@elbosco8715 Жыл бұрын
Excelente. El retorno de King Crimson en los 80 fue un romper esquemas, la única banda de "Rock Progresivo" que al volver a escena no dio lástima, todo lo contrario. Gracias Bill, Robert, Adrian y Tony. Cuatros pesos pesados en acción. Saludos desde ciudad de Canelones, Uruguay,
@Bronco541Ай бұрын
I was so happy they did this song on the new beat tour. I didn't think they were going to do this one.
@21st_Century39 Жыл бұрын
Bought the "original" vinyl LP back in 1982. Was a little shocked by what l heard first time,as l had been a Crim fan for years before that. Completely different from the 70s albums, but just as good. Getting Belew and Levin on board was a masterstroke. But then Fripp usually knows what's going to fit!
@snoopstp4189 Жыл бұрын
'just as good',, oh my god this is WAY better than the old Red sound..
@wasabiflavoredcocaine Жыл бұрын
This was peak Crimson
@PhilRounds Жыл бұрын
This is so incredibly outside the box! One of my fav KC tunes.
@beckfreak2000Ай бұрын
I was lucky enough to see them twice ,The first time when they were undecided what to call themselves and were billed as Discipline ,second time they decided back to King Crimson .
@Jimbowlcoach Жыл бұрын
My favorite piece of music ever. I like the version from the 84 Japan show. I used to own the show on VHS and watched it to the point I annoyed my family.
@fernandodebisogno6428 Жыл бұрын
Love your comments, Bill. Please, keep doing them.
@robertforman34943 ай бұрын
I always thought of Bill’s part in this song as being what this album was about, discipline. For 10 minutes Bill beats out the same thing on that box, never getting never missing a beat. How many drummers have that kind of discipline?
@viktorasbalykov Жыл бұрын
Bill, its the greatest piece of music ever created.
@TimJackson-eq6iy Жыл бұрын
The first time I heard this, many years ago, I couldn't believe just how in sync Robert and Adrian were. They keep swapping roles all the way through. Adrian able to match Roberts electronics. Bill and Tony are the solid support. I never get tired of either listening or watching this .
@creageous Жыл бұрын
Pretty freekin amazing. Hard to believe this was 40 years ago. And even harder to believe that Fripp was not keen on bruford's style.
@Grissongs Жыл бұрын
A thoughtful, generous and informative reflection by BB on (for me) a landmark KK performance, now shared in great AV quality: texture, atmosphere and rhythm to burn... And let's not forget the great Tony Levin's indispensable contribution, somehow overlooked in the initial commentary.
@SoundOldies10 ай бұрын
Dear Bill, i can't tell you how much I love this song, I had the chance to hear you playing it in Paris in the 80s. for me this the is a simple proof of your talent, having the intelligence to stay on a basic rythm like this , leaving all the place needed to the others. Thank you so much, i 'm keeping it in my mind for bad days, knowing how much joy mixed with softness I find in it.
@pickgee11 ай бұрын
Goddamn these guys are good! A real, professional, band! Amazing!!
@superDavid12341 Жыл бұрын
always love reading the descriptions from you on these vids ♥
@ringoliverpond9655 ай бұрын
This is, without question, the most compelling piece of music ever produced by mankind. This was King Crimson's best lineup in my humble opinion, but every lineup is extraordinary.
@rods64057 ай бұрын
4 Outstanding musicians we are so lucky to be graced with their existence! I never knew that Adrian played those bits and Tony is playing 2 instruments really, wow! Just wants to make you "dwindle of into the twilight realm of your our secret thoughts" as Zappa once wrote!
@SonOfWinter6 ай бұрын
Every day I am convinced more and more that TOOL wrote Reflection after getting inspired from this beauty of a song!
@waruder8 ай бұрын
This is immensly powerful and at the highest of difficulty. You don’t find any Crimson cover-bands aroud: this is why
@davidjenkins86598 ай бұрын
My favourite piece from Discipline, probably from the whole of the 80s incarnation. A great piece to listen to with the lights out.
@AudioAtmos Жыл бұрын
Like many this is one of my favorite KC songs of this lineup. This is an excellent version and great sound. I saw them many times, but the first show of this lineup was in 82 and the beginning of the Beat tour at Merriweather Post Pavilion in Maryland. I was 17 and my same age friend got his parents car and we had a great day. Jon Anderson of Yes was doing a solo tour and opened the show and was excellent. I had already been familiar with Sheltering Sky, but I was mesmerized that day. Bruford sets the mood and everyone continues. Another friend (RIP) was inspired to buy a Log Drum after hearing and seeing KC. I used to always grab it and play it when at his place. Of all the many concerts I’ve seen this show was at the top. Thanks so much for this upload. Brings back great memories of the greatest music of my lifetime.
@eduardofiolmujica2996 Жыл бұрын
this is much more than a simple description of what happens, it's introspection, really profound
@JoanneAndPaulH2 ай бұрын
This, and the rest of Discipline, is just a masterpiece.
@JoshFox-zy5eg Жыл бұрын
Amazing, timeless piece of music. Love every second !
@jimijam48Ай бұрын
... Yesss' !! ~ (oops, wrong band), lol... Truly Remarkable and Amazing, Epic K.C. ~ Thank You !!
@kitwalker5202 ай бұрын
Tony’s bass lines fantastic
@FFlyDDrum1 Жыл бұрын
A unique piece and I almost bought a similar drum in a gift store after hearing “the beat”. But it was too expensive for me at the time.
@01goldg13 ай бұрын
Best musically capable 4-piece in the history of R&R...
@_Helm_ Жыл бұрын
Thank you, mr. Bruford.
@mignoneloise36803 ай бұрын
Here in 2024 adoring the crimson that is KING 🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
@davidhankins777628 күн бұрын
Absolutely! I can't get this song out of my head! I play it every time it shows up on my KZbin algorithm. Best 10 minutes of my day!
@SKarlsson Жыл бұрын
Lucky to to see them in Berkeley, Greek theater in '82 and '84. That was some really wonderful stuff.
@zappatx Жыл бұрын
That number had me believing I was trekking across the Australian desert.. Then I concluded it was more of Fripp running out of gas in the Channel realizing he has to walk the last 5 miles. But as others here have said - Tony's work here is amazing!! I had to watch again thinking was he really doing all of that? I must be said - that looks like film to me - the quality of the filming captured here is epic! Makes me wish Exiles was caught on film like this.
@icu12cme Жыл бұрын
Just read the description, thanks. I had known the piece for several years in the Eighties when I suddenly had the impression of terror potential from the thought 'imagine if the gravity & atmosphere disappeared', like we were just clinging on in hope of it not happening, the fear of being flung out into empty space. On that occasion I was quite happy when it was finished. Brilliant stuff
@StephenShankland8 ай бұрын
This was one of my least favorite King Crimson songs, but watching it performed really changed my opinion. Being able to see how it was put together, the interplay between Belew and Fripp, the whole arc of the song - quite enlightening. Time to dig up more old KC concert videos.
@taxirob22487 ай бұрын
Tony Levin, Adrien Belew, Bill Bruford and Robert Fripp. At the time there was a schism within Yes that led to two Yes bands touring simultaneously within the next couple years, but neither held a candle to KC. They were just trading on the band name at that point.
@jhonnydrucker451911 ай бұрын
J y etais et quel souvenir ...fan absolu a l epoque et encire aujourdh ui ...jecduivais ke grouoe depuis les debuts mais DISCIPLINE a marque l histoire de la musique pour toujours ...il marqua un tournant dans l histoire du groupe et cet album demeure depuis toujours un omni 🙏
@klongyawseven9118 Жыл бұрын
I actually think that Bill could make a couple of cardboard boxes and a trash can lid sound good...
@WillCate Жыл бұрын
I have always loved this piece very, very much, Bill; thanks for posting the clip. Just finished watching the new KC documentary, which is excellent, tear-jerking, even. Highly recommended for all fans.
@albertocampagnoli93303 ай бұрын
Masterpiece.
@ogrelord2011 Жыл бұрын
Simply, WOW! Everyone was totally on fire in this one. Especially love Tony doing little drum rolls on the stick. Totally Awesome!
@aldertdevries2 ай бұрын
Saw KC playing in Amsterdam 82. Opening with this incredible song. Magical concert. The joy of Bruford. Subtility of Levin. One of the best guitarsolos in history by Fripp. And the sound of Belew.
@ChipTill1 Жыл бұрын
A sublime KC masterpiece… my fave KC song of this era.
@snoopstp4189 Жыл бұрын
and it was after seeing this I realized, Adrian really is an amazing guitarist in his own right..
@JamesDuffy-k7bАй бұрын
You need to be two things in exactly the same quality and quantity to pull this masterpiece off: a genius, and totally cool!
@myrifoxtrot Жыл бұрын
you guys were on fire here, thanks for sharin'!
@fml4542 Жыл бұрын
Love this. Saw this version of KC in So Cal in the early 80’s. Such wonderful energy. A classic lineup performing classic music.
@edgeman148 Жыл бұрын
Just bloody amazing :)
@heatheddy8654 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the perspective you provide Bill. This is one of my favorite live performance songs of the 1980s period King Crimson. It's just a marvelous collaboration of 4 superior musicians working together.
@Earthling-it6ng Жыл бұрын
Without doubt the best Crimson line up and the best 3 albums in my view. Sounds like Fripp had problems with his Roland G303 during his last section of this song.
@sound-ur1bq8 ай бұрын
the sensitivity of it was making it pretty hard to play, i did try, and was unable to have a nice sound, its all in the fingers precision, from both hands
@Earthling-it6ng7 ай бұрын
@@sound-ur1bq Well, I guess you get a pass! LOL I had just entered university in 1981and it was you and "Discipline" which had me blow my entire bursary on a G303/GR300 system. I sold it years later and wish I never had. It was a very well built guitar and it had its own 'thing' as a synth. You guys made it sing.
@hoedanook81812 ай бұрын
Jammie .... I get so emotional, every time, hearing this, so beautiful, without embellishment, just playing
@nocturn35797 ай бұрын
the best song in all of music
@sergiocosta58373 ай бұрын
Genios 👊👏👏😎🇦🇷🇦🇷
@styven772 ай бұрын
Had the pleasure of seeing you in 1990 with AWBH and in 1984 with KC. Such a delight, thank you for the music, been following your career since early YES days.
@snjsilvan Жыл бұрын
Saw this live in Ca. Such a great great moment.
@theo99523 ай бұрын
I went to their first concert in London. They played as Discipline. All the songs they played were unknown to the audience except Red and Larks Tongues part 2. I was stunned by what I heard and saw, especially the guitar synths and the Chapman Stick. Two or three months later with the Discipline PL released, I saw them again playing as King Crimson. No surprises this time, but just as captivating and enjoyable performance.
@philwildcroft17643 ай бұрын
The Fripp-ness of playing with a drummer whose style you're "[not] very keen on" and the Bruford-ness of being aware of that and carrying on regardless is honestly hilarious but also a big part of why this KC made such interesting music.
@darrenrunning5415 Жыл бұрын
It's watching performances like this that make me wish I was old enough to have seen them live in concert.
@wildelmo9253 ай бұрын
This live version is epic !
@spaderootrat Жыл бұрын
turn up loud...turn off lights...be transported...