King Von Debate w/ Akademiks, Van Lathan & ChicagoKingDave

PATREON - / traploreross

[@BlackShogun]

If you publicly document your crimes on the internet, you deal with the consequences. We live in a society full of dummies

[@mrrockets32]

Rap snitches, telling all their business Sit in the court and be their own star witness - MF DOOM

[@einhauchvontull5206]

@@mrrockets32 fax

[@valeriagude903]

I couldn’t agree with you more💯💯

[@mrrockets32]

If wasn’t for ak hander being there he would went off that’s not the real ak take the mask off akademiks

[@finessewop]

I wonder what dude has to say to CPD who woke up the death of KI by unnecessarily releasing that king von was her killer 😴 these dudes ain’t doing nothing but reporting on public information the reason WE mad is because it’s not US profiting from the media

[@pamela8260649]

I’m confused on why they’re blaming Ross when he’s literally taking the info they put out themselves

[@mrrockets32]

Rap snitches, telling all their business Sit in the court and be their own star witness -MF DOOM

[@mrrockets32]

If wasn’t for ak hander being there he would went off that’s not the real ak take the mask off akademiks

[@mrrockets32]

Why you think he only hops on twitch just so guys tip him money so he get drunk

[@mrrockets32]

But they won’t talk about saycheesetv giving voices to gangster in Dallas tx he the reason mo3 died y’all love to talk about “ stop the violence” when they the ones causing it “this comment is reaching “ mane mo3 died on a fucking highway bro

[@TalkingThrones]

They think he's soft and easy to push up on

[@FranklinBurrus]

Dude puts together 3+ hour deep dives on the most specific situations. Homie really takes the time to understand and explain. You have to respect it.

[@Redd.915]

ALREADY 💕💕💕

[@darrylb9228]

The Dave dude mad cause he didn’t get those views and money from it. That’s what I’m thinking.

[@IamLinLin]

The fact that Van and the other guy laughed when Trap Lore brought up Shoulda Duck and they laughed, solidifies everything Trap Lore was saying.

[@montyjalloh7882]

felt exactly the same

[@ajmartin6758]

What time line

[@TJ-um8ce]

Precisely

[@Frugal637]

They also laughed about the threats he received. They are ignorant and haters.

[@mississippimudd6638]

You held your own against these fake woke clowns, Ross. I’m a black man and I’m ashamed of how Van & David never held black people in Chicago accountable for killing each other. All TLR is doing is reporting the news. Keeps reporting bro. You’re doing a great job

[@rbunny7676]

Preach brother

[@mindyourbusiness1811]

The prison system is holding them accountable why would some media personality do it?

[@chillbest14]

Facts 💯

[@dee5202]

Big facts, I’m a black man and I can acknowledge that we need to hold eachother in the black community accountable for nonsense while also understanding that we are in these famine and impoverished situations because of systematic oppression and late capitalism. Bottom line is the behavior exhibited by most gangstas these days is horrendous. Zero respect for the community, the elders, the youth, etc. And bragging about this behavior in music affects society in such a negative way. People need to know that it is not cool to do these things that these drill rappers are doing. Since when did it become cool to kill people?? Why have we normalized mocking the dead? We rap about killing each other and people think that won’t start to resonate into our day to day lives? It’s like we’re killing ourselves collectively

[@hippievisions]

Facts

[@oliverquach9614]

Literally the entire documentary was compiled from tweets, news and music. TLR has nothing to apologize for.

[@josephchestang9942]

Exactly! Even the police records are public information.

[@d.weez2239]

So true!!

[@jasont8773]

Tweets is not a reliable source.. I can tweet I killed 50 people.. and I never hurt a soul.. Von never got convicted of no murder

[@Zariyah_Nicole]

This is what I’ve been saying.

[@stepintothelyte2307]

The thong is it's based on speculation, not proof

[@AlbinYuup]

Thank god for akademiks coming in and setting shit straight cuz they were cornering Ross and playing the race card

[@TJ-um8ce]

💯

[@randypotentate]

💯

[@RequiemForYourDream940]

💯

[@FREEZA_AKA_MR_COOLA]

That because white people didn’t get involved in this shit until social media and monetization came period.

[@jahleelflecha]

Look at Dave’s face @1:02:49 when Ross mentions one of Vons victims. The fact that he smirked says everything.

[@oliverquach9614]

There’s another moment at 1:03:56 where they laugh after Ross mentions Durk and ‘shoulda ducked’

[@moneymantra7318]

@@oliverquach9614 right they are laughing like he did not have a point.

[@lomiles83]

This shit made me sooooo mad. Ross ain't the one, bro. The fact that he's even hearing these dudes out let's you kno where his heart's at. They acting like he went to the hood and earned everybody's trust to get these stories, then ran to the internet with tightly guarded hood secrets. Ross literally curated then narrated information that was already publicly available. It's so disgusting to see how my people will come together to defend a whole ass serial killer's legacy, but won't do shit to discourage the violence.

[@bico1514]

NAH FR big respect to Ross I would've let my black ignorant self out and start wylin out

[@devinbath7266]

Well said

[@pennyproud1621]

Exactly

[@sheskates6551]

💯💯💯

[@louissmith3444]

It blows my mind they talk about everybody except for the people actually taking out people's loved ones

[@spyd3y1]

I dunno how the doc was in bad taste when Von was literally talking about folks he murdered by himself everyday

[@martinc8325]

Accountability and niggas go together like oil and water.

[@RonnieMcNutt666]

u gn need 3 4 hands tryna count my bodies ☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠

[@jakebarnes3054]

They'd rather get angry at the white nerdy guy making a documentary about a murderer than sincerely reflect on how our culture glorifies murderers

[@mrrockets32]

Rap snitches, telling all their business Sit in the court and be their own star witness -MF DOOM

[@okloshbrokla8154]

Why are you here this is telling of trap lore ross audience racists gawkibg at black people

[@AndresD209]

Accountability is lost in this world. It's scary

[@luckybeauty2193]

When Dave said "...when Von tweeted that he's going to catch a body tnite, that could have meant he was going to link a girl..." 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@shay0912]

The amount of patience that Ross displays👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@qmakesithappen]

As a black man born and raised in Chicago I’m with you on this Ross. Nobody goes this far JUST for financial gain. There’s genuine passion in your work. I’ll also add that while the people you cover were dealt a bad hand in some cases, in most cases they have chance after chance to do different and change their ways but they don’t. A few examples are Chief Keef and Lil Bibby. Waka is the best example in terms of rappers changing for the better. Accountability is a must amongst these grown men acting like victims 💯

[@rapwojnarowski4629]

You’re a legend lord … this the one

[@rickyjackson1104]

Facts bro 💯 if he was just giving his personal opinion then that's different, but he actually looking into it to see if this is really happening and it shocked him to see the info that's out there on it!! And someone should tell Dave the fedz will sit on you for years and have what they need to pick you up 🤷 why they do I don't know, but I think it's too get more people are a bigger target 🎯

[@M2xim]

Preach! Can't blame the universe if you ain't even trying.🙏

[@quadoe818]

Yall hate your ppl so much - you jump on the culture vultures side for reigniting flames

[@louissmith3444]

well said

[@MsMimi581]

The lack of accountability is disgusting. He was a serial who told on himself. People who make excuses and want to shift the blame on others are the problem. That’s why the culture will never change.

[@LizNeptune]

Right.. and most serial killers and mast shooters want the world to know of their crimes and infamy. Von would be happy about this documentary. He was a raging, malignant narcissist.

[@JOSWAY787]

Famm it’s not a culture, it’s a cult. But the fact y’all wanna keep including all the violence and gang shit into “the culture” like it’s a part of black identity. Really it annoys me how dumb y’all are sometimes but y’all can’t help it anyway…

[@piperchristeson3394]

It’s really sad that ppl can’t separate the music from the artist. We can’t excuse killings just cuz you like his music

[@PotFastL-gg2ne]

what car is dave sitting in

[@thabothema6890]

Big Ups to Akademics for this. I think discussion around whatever topic breeds understanding, understanding breeds respect. Even when you disagree on something, but when you understand each others backgrounds we build positively from that

[@alexprovence9379]

This will never stop happening because of this. They will never put the blame on the people that are actually committing the crime

[@pistolpete8231]

Personal responsibility is like a kryptonite to neegaz, that's a fact

[@Frugal637]

That would be too easy.

[@Bovice_Nicole]

Dave is what’s wrong wit the black community. Specifically the men. Y’all blame EVERYONE ELSE for choices YOU made

[@ernestholloway9436]

I remember when kids could go out and play. There not a real parent alive that would let there kids go out and play l. I guess it's trap lore ross is to blame

[@4huggies]

100% - Dave saying Ross needs to consider that his documentary is causing people to go out and shoot someone else is complete BS. There’s going to be many triggers the victims of this violence are going to have to face. If this documentary makes them commit another crime, something else would have done the same. These killers need to be accountable for their actions. Which I think most do. Dave is making it seem like they are not responsible because Ross was the one that could be blamed for reminding them.

[@blakavelli7419]

No specifically it's the black woman just look at u tryna down play yo accountability

[@darnellthomas8155]

Dave is a guy whose making money off the death of black men in a place he's not even from. Also there organizations and activist in every black city whose fighting against the violence and these niggaz are not giving them any attention.

[@abovetherim8000]

Facts

[@NKim-gj9vk]

These grown men are so embarrassing and I’m convinced they hate their own. If you justify/defend a serial killer that only targeted men that look like you…seek help 😢

[@aalynnodell9809]

I mean the documentary shed light on them killing their own everyday so there's no convincing they hate their own. They do. It's a shame too because a lot of them are extremely talented and waste that talent on being institutionalized.

[@jezebulls]

I don't have the will to get through this nonsense. Dude is gatekeeping songs, lyrics, artists, info, and/or how they're supposed to be perceived as if he speaks for everyone on the streets. It's INSANE how he's against Ross simply putting all this information that is publicaly available into a neat package in a 3 hour documentary, but disregards the fact that Von was basically incriminating himself with tweets everyday. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If he doesn't like the video, he doesn't have to watch it, but anyone can criticize it. It's just weird how he feels like he has the authority to tell people how things should be perceived instead of letting people have their own opinions.

[@TJ-um8ce]

💯💯💯

[@Santamuerte13]

Literally…….

[@darrylb9228]

The Dave dude just mad cause he didn’t get them views Ross got. The Dave dude is the problem. Making excuses for all the negative shit that the rappers do 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@beachavebaby]

it’s okay for them dudes who’s in the streets to make songs , tweet , go on live and say what they do and spread that energy but it’s a problem when a person who isn’t from there begins to speak on it an spread it online …. HOW DOES THAT EVEN MAKE SENSE TO THESE CHICAGO DUDES ? 😂 Dave came on here and said a whole bunch of nothing 😂

[@FREEZA_AKA_MR_COOLA]

So if you knew killers around you are you going to report it?

[@neeneebaby]

Dave is the reason this shit is still going on his excuses are making me sick to my stomach and the sad part is he’s a grown man and he’s serious asf

[@SheriBear1]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I started cringing 30 seconds into his argument. I just couldn’t understand how a grown man can be so illogical in his thoughts and not know it😳.

[@catchingdirtysouthjersey4581]

He a goofy hater.

[@dee5202]

The serious af part is what’s sad but funny af lmaaao. Cuz like are you hearing yourself

[@kjrobinson4105]

Yea this dude ignorant as fuck…

[@bico1514]

Fr he really made me sick like I have respect for von cause he was raised in a war zone so obviously we can't blame how he was. It's just unfortunate his fame was cut short and didn't have that opportunity to mentality and spirituality grow like durk did... ehh

[@BlackLusterDragon9]

im tired of people saying he's a culture vulture, he is the only hip hop historian that doesnt cause people to beef or kill each other, he deserves his flowers

[@jezebulls]

It's weird cuz he's talking like he's the culture or has the authority to approve who can or cannot talk about things that don't even belong to him.

[@FREEZA_AKA_MR_COOLA]

Why is a white boy from uk worried about people getting killed in the states

[@piperchristeson3394]

⁠@@jezebullshow does he talk like he is the culture?

[@ericlucas1]

​@@piperchristeson3394notice how he didn't answer you?

[@PotFastL-gg2ne]

what car is dave sitting in

[@RLeezyDeezy]

I'm glad to see so many people agreeing with Ross. He literally got all his info from public knowledge and was just sharing and spreading this knowledge that he is actively engaged in and actually cares. He has never in any of his videos spread any misinformation or biased opinion. Just simply sharing his love and respect for the story of rappers and their dangerous life they lead.

[@kieshaholt2600]

As a girl from the Bronx who's healed a bit watching your stuff, I get a different narrative! keep going TLR. I love your documentaries!

[@Ro6ns]

“We’re gonna blame you cause we can’t control our urge to kill eachother” is what I’m getting first 5 mins of Dave talking

[@PAGoldenglovechamp06]

White supremacisit like yourself tend to play dumb but you definitely aren’t playing

[@NostalgiaVomitBootlegs]

EXACTLY. He sound stupid

[@jluchette]

The vibe I’m getting is “TLR is a more popular YTer than me, so I’m going to call him out to increase my own views.” Or I may be reading too much into it. If that’s the case, then this Dave person is astonishingly stupid.

[@blackqueen5201]

Facts he's such a damn🤡

[@fatherbewithme]

In a way you're correct but unfortunately there's too much truth in some of the things he's saying about Gasoline being added to old beefs and ignorant black ppl from Chicago getting mad at each other again & shooting & killing

[@whatstheword6271]

Mind you, Van Lathan just wrapped a season of a show about "hip hop murders." All of these people profit from death, they just want to move the goalpost with Trap Lore Ross

[@ayeare101]

He is YT and not from our culture. Profiting from us just like the YT man do. I’m not surprised

[@sheskates6551]

@@ayeare101 he is doing what a capitalist does why are black men continuing to target each rather rather then obtaining some capital. Carry some of the best talents but fails to capitalize on it every damn time wake up

[@peterheinzo515]

lol you do realize its racist when you say hes not allowed to talk about music/culture because of his skin colour

[@michelledozier4951]

If Case and Point was a person.

[@sagba9473]

@@ayeare101oh well then y’all need to be mad at every white journalist who report it y’all more mad at TLR then the people committing the crimes baffles me😂

[@coss1]

This was a very productive conversation and I appreciate all four for participating. Hiphop needs to have more conversations like this. We need to truly analyze how the media, the rappers, and social media contribute to the cycles of violence in our neighborhoods.

[@bryanadunn4919]

I’ve watched several of your documentaries and I appreciate all the work you do!

[@theol1618]

In my opinion TLR does responsible work. He never simply glorifies killings. That's a real surface level account of what he does. He often details the circumstances, the environment, the disparity of the community and all that. Sometimes self accountability gotta be taken.

[@clarkkent52]

sick of whyte peeps who cant make it in their culture come into a place where black people created and all the sudden feel they got a right to talk ish...please take that same concern and go over to ur own community and preach to them ...trust whytes have over 500 years of evil fkery that you can address

[@brucewilliams2561]

Just say you love us 🦝.

[@toughflowers5088]

He does every single video, and his work can be on HBO, and Netflix, they need to stop blaming him and trying to make him stop, there are not a lot of good in-depth docs for free on YT, trying to take away our good quality content

[@sliver7993]

@@brucewilliams2561 the way you just posted that is crazy.

[@theol1618]

@toughflowers5088 definitely. Especially his last, I'd say 4 docs. They've all been done with care to take into account the circumstances surrounding the upbringing of individuals from and in these broken communities. He even gives a brief history of the gangs origins and how condition forced them to evolve into what they are today. If I could suggest anything it might be to include information on grassroot organizations built to help the communities he's reporting on so viewers can donate. Or a portion of the uncut patron video proceeds could go towards community efforts

[@WGESTAXKS]

“Unless von told you out his mouth” he literally did

[@daddycrimson]

lmfaoooooo and he aint stop telling us up until he kicked it smh

[@LSDdreams808]

Trap lore ross is puts out alot of bangers he definitely deserves some respect for making these documentarys that takes alot of time to do.

[@Thevirtuouswoman501]

Ross, you handled yourself well. 👏🏾👏🏾

[@g-holy]

Black ppl HAVE to STOP this. They blame ANYBODY for the violence except the niggas who doin it🤦🏾‍♂️

[@LordHaveMurcielago]

The black community is matriarchal which means it is lead and ran by its women. Which means the identity adopted by the majority of the young men and young women in the community is feminine in its nature. Women are never capable of admitting when they are wrong and neither is the black community. The blame is always shifted and that’s the problem!

[@deidrajames4258]

Facts

[@pennyproud1621]

Yeah the shh is sick. They got all this smoke for a reporter but none for the guys doing it. I never hear none these guys tell them hey could you make more positive music, hey could you stop killing each other. Nothing crickets. They some weirdos.

[@Humhem88]

Facts bro. Praying for a change in mentality

[@wayneb9253]

Let’s get one thing straight If no one ever accused von of a single thing in life Just through his own admissions he is linked to over 9 murders from his own mouth

[@lethal3245]

They avoiding that main point

[@Andemur]

You forgot about the 2014 murder. He was only found not guilty of 2017 because the witnesses refused to testify.

[@SKPanda1915]

​@@lethal3245 they want to shoot the messengers messenger lol

[@mindyourbusiness1811]

you need proof to accuse and charge someone of a crime.

[@RobinXlone]

being linked to murders dont make u a serial killer. and if u and 4 other people shoot at people every time are u really a serial killer? all 5 people are the killers tbh

[@BLee09]

Man. It's sad that we're really gonna sit here and blame a KZbinr for ANY gang violence as if this type of shit hasn't been going on since before we even had the internet.

[@kanedasrifle]

If a faceless major media conglomerate /corporation like Amazon or Netflix had created TLR's Von documentary , everybody would be throwing at it the critical acclaim it deserves , KZbin as a platform & it's (talented) creators deserve props not abuse , or else we will have no alternative to the said corporate productions & it's revisionist history. The documentary was captivating & the story truly 'crazy'.

[@RequiemForYourDream940]

Great comment. Face Lift is an all time classic album also btw 🤘💯 Rip Layne Thomas Staley

[@kanedasrifle]

@@RequiemForYourDream940 Thanks man , any Alice fan i consider a brother. Inner peace.

[@Infamous1Hookz]

Trap Lord Ross literally goes striaght to the point. 💯. He's a realist and people aren't used to that period.

[@womanspringishchild606]

Yes! People don’t want to take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for anything, these days. And EVERYONE is amazing when they die 😒 if KV was alive today, he’s be locked up.

[@FREEZA_AKA_MR_COOLA]

If you wanna make documentaries at least go speak with the people you talking about

[@mykelgatson5934]

@@FREEZA_AKA_MR_COOLAwhy? It’s not necessary.

[@neverhating_63HREE]

Watchin trap defend his work is almost just as good as the actual video lol

[@pennyproud1621]

Agreed

[@Turbo-Drip]

FACTS

[@jettfitceo]

Keep Trappin Ross…u da mvp and your work is award worthy.

[@KingEJayE]

TLR defended himself well. Its all about accountability

[@jb33rd]

Accountability to who not you maybe the people in the situations but not you worry about yourself

[@chrisjacobs9101]

@@jb33rdyou’re the reason the cycle keeps going it sucks that it takes a white dude to say hold your community accountable and you can’t stand it because he’s right

[@bloodaonadeline8346]

once he started asking Ross for money I just rolled my eyes. All the info is publically available if anyone goes and kills someone Ross is not responsible for funeral expenses.

[@Humhem88]

When he said maybe break some people off some bread 🥴🥴🥴🥴 disgusting bro … the real vulture

[@Jefe4x4]

He is making trap lore Ross sound like the most inspirational news! Congrats TLR

[@tftltv]

20min in and I can already say TRL got my Support. Keep documenting on the culture

[@denzelwilliams6019]

No white man should report on our culture 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@MireilleMIcart]

Y’all are keeping it going!

[@TwoGunKidd]

Trap lore ross, you did nothing wrong. you just highlighted what was already published in public. I’m glad that this doc got viral because people need to wake up and see what this generation are evolving to, so that we can change our youth, to be great next generation hopefully

[@PAGoldenglovechamp06]

Go shine his shoes you 🦝 @zz nigguh

[@pennyproud1621]

That's not happening. All these street hood kids are the way they are because of failed parents. It's not the kids fault....no real guidance no accountability what you expect...

[@Dray_3stacks]

@@pennyproud1621 your right but it has to change at some point or do we jus go on with life as it is til the end?

[@einhauchvontull5206]

Man King David is not brightest candle on the cake. It was Von who killed (allegedly) people, was tweeting about it, and rapping about it. So he published it. So saying TRL ist to blame for the harm is nonsense. He never killed someone. Thats why attacking him is only defending king von. Defending someone who boasts about his crimes. May Jesus be with us. And formost for those who are in dire need.

[@dashyte412]

Lol the man ain't dumb at all. He said he a street dude, you're not gonna get any accountability or real conversation with street dudes about street shit

[@wide-awake]

if he wanted to make the point that making detailed videos on gang violence inflames that violence, that's an argument that he can make (although i probably disagree with it). but when he comes on to deny reality and claim that we don't know that von even killed anyone it makes any kind of conversation impossible. a pointless exercise.

[@bobsucks9647]

Yeah dude is a dummy, on king David

[@NoCoastBENT]

it is what it is type shit

[@hanielnasheed7189]

I don’t understand his logic at all!

[@OliverBooks]

This turned into a pretty good discourse. Way to bring many perspectives into the conversation and be open to the frustrations. I understand why maybe communities feel like you're an outsider profiting on their dead, but I also see the sincerity you're trying to bring to the table. It seems like you're trying to at least put some skin in the game. I think this is good shit tbh

[@joelsnipes6687]

Very productive convo

[@donsadler3257]

This is honestly ridiculous that they’re trying to put all this burden on Ross. None of their arguments have merit or any validity.

[@dretheman123]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@supernova7848]

Absolutely

[@MissSimone02]

Period. And then saying he needs to fly to Chicago to interview people, for what? They already put all the business on Twitter and IG. Do he should interview them just to hear them talk in circles? FOH

[@MsMN7677]

Disagree! He lives there for sure and knows!!!

[@bloodaonadeline8346]

@@MissSimone02 He made a decent point when he said he hasn’t talked to anyone. He could have asked for some interviews without flying to Chicago but I think it’s unlikely they would have agreed to an interview.

[@hovdolla]

Keep doing your thing Trap, we appreciate you.

[@basedcentrist3056]

If Van is so concerned with TRLs lack of personal interviews, why don't they collaborate and do a documentary? TRLs narration/research and Vans interviews would be a really good mix

[@instant100]

You did a great job very entertaining

[@stevebrizzle]

This idea that somehow black people have a monopoly on the grief about the black genocide going on in Chicago and other cities is so misguided. I’m a white guy from England who’s been a hip hop fan all my life too and TLR’s videos evoke a strong feeling of empathy in me for the senseless loss of human life on all sides and I empathise because I’m a *fellow human*, not because of whatever the colour of my skin is. Also, TLR - please don’t go to Chicago any time soon. Wait until all this furore over the Von video has subsided. I think it’s admirable you are planning to interview some of the people involved in the stories you cover but I’m worried that some knucklehead will take a shot at you to get some clout and the fans and I don’t want to see that happen! Stay safe.

[@ComptonCrypto]

For real. If I hear about a ton of people dying the very last thing I think about is what color their skin is. But hey man, unfortunately not everyone is like that and most Americans literally dont think. They just regurgitate shit they've seen and heard.

[@johnroe4551]

​@@ComptonCrypto Stfu none of you give af about these dudes. Lets be real you all looking for entertainment..

[@MarvoloSalazar]

@@ComptonCrypto Aint that the truth

[@jezebulls]

MY THOUGHTS Exactly. Dude is gatekeeping songs, lyrics, artists, info, and/or how they're supposed to be perceived as if he speaks for everyone on the streets. It's INSANE how he's against Ross simply putting all this information that is publicaly available into a neat package in a 3 hour documentary, but disregards the fact that Von was basically incriminating himself with tweets everyday. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If he doesn't like the video, he doesn't have to watch it, but anyone can criticize it. It's just weird how he feels like he has the authority to tell people how things should be perceived instead of letting people have their own opinions.

[@rasta6713]

Who profited from Anne Frank’s diary? Who profited from the Holocaust? The victims. When the victims live and tell their story, it will completely differ from an outside journalist. Who would you rather hear the story from? A victim from a Jewish ghetto, or an American journalist with profit in mind? The victim is likely to share the story so other victims can listen, or people to really sympathize. This dude is profiting from gang stories that are completely inaccurate. If you base your stories off someone’s tweets instead of actual evidence, you’re bound to be called out for inconsistencies. But why do you think he wants to debate? Because HE ACTUALLY CARES FOR THE VICTIMS, OR BECAUSE OF HIS INCOME. The same way Von took advantage of the bad boy persona for income. I’m telling you, half of the stuff he said on the drakeo vs Inglewood was inaccurate.

[@Shavars.Sanctuary]

Ross’s videos are actually a piece of art/ humanitarian justice. It’s surprising that they are so detailed and the production/ editing is so high level. From the arrangement to the writing. He does a better job reporting than the major media outlets. Like off this skill, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had channel 4, Netflix, MI5 or any investigative journaling sources, contacting him with job offers. It’s actually inspirational, he actually has a skill unlike many KZbinrs that have big channels.

[@grimyGobIin]

Dude is a whole leech and culture vulture and the definition of 🤓☝️🤓☝️

[@yo3rdtier128]

Guy, he’s snitching on people from far away in England. Digging up information and make videos keeping beefs going.. No news channel should even look his way. Ross is drama queen

[@gamecrazyoo1]

Except he gets things wrongs and tries to structure real life situations into lessons to be learned . Cool when you not person he covering . I don’t have a problem with him doing what he does but to do a 3 hour documentary is kinda overkill. I get we wanna blame the rappers for being stupid but the thing about accountability is finding the role you play and correcting your part . My role as someone looking for content on the internet while I may stumble across it I try to parentally guide myself . I don’t need to indulge in a 3 hour documentary about a killer rapper . If I’m a rapper I wouldn’t speak on real life situations and families like my words have no power.

[@jamesbennett5587]

​@@yo3rdtier128 the only people keeping the beef going is the people involved in the beef if someone from a whole different country can keep the beef going the dudes in the beef needs get out they feelings

[@Tashawn612]

#FACTS

[@happywednesday6741]

Glad the comments on this video are on point!

[@donnawainwright532]

Ross your work is great. Keep on writing bro.

[@kllaterall]

Crazy how Vons relatives and fans are denying things that Von said himself to make him look better

[@Sapientia-in-senectute]

Because they don’t want the heat on themselves, von was doing that shi my himself or with some of his homies most of his relatives probably don’t want that smoke from vons past

[@coltonholaway7902]

​@@Sapientia-in-senectute no one wants the smoke that was brewing for von. He was ready for it but not many others would ever wana face it

[@dewaynerobinson3278]

They mad somebody black didn’t make the documentary

[@idkyolo988]

@@dewaynerobinson3278 nigga what💀

[@mindyourbusiness1811]

Where in that video was there solid evidence of him doing anything? You think the police don’t look at social media and saw all that? You need evidence to charge and convict someone

[@EdgarAlpO]

Homie said “talk to the people”, but he just gave us a perfect example earlier of the people not willing to talk when he kept falling back on questions about Von being a killer

[@bigfu]

Go talk to them so they can either lie .. or tell you "you acting like the police" 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@MissSimone02]

THANK YOU

[@mordecaimcnasty]

Alota these street dudes are walking contradictions and it’s sad.

[@eveliinaniilivuo7329]

Always a pleasure to trap more Ross!

[@jeromevinessr9496]

Well said

[@BJC-pk8cm]

The man literally ATE CEREAL ONLINE EVERYTIME HE KILLED SOMEONE. He was CERTAINLY A SERIAL KILLER. He had his rituals like the rest.

[@onhots2235]

.... or it’s just something that he prefer . U people

[@versatillion15]

There was only 3 instances of him eatin cereal.

[@hild-demongoddess7498]

They are only mad cause Ross is white and hes profiting off of black men’s stupidity 🤣🤣

[@gghomemaker3835]

Man what 😂😂😂😂

[@Game-6]

​@@versatillion15 yeah "only"

[@EJflYboY]

Man point blank. We gotta learn to stop blaming everyone but ourselves. We gotta take responsibility, we gotta do better so the kids can do better. We gotta charge us then help change the system cause they still got us enslaved if you can’t tell

[@SaltyJus10]

We need more people like you

[@catchwreck928]

Thats sounds good until the whyte folks who run this country sees you as a threat, which if u bothered to study black history you would of understood why things never changed....but go on about us taking responsibility and blah blah blah. even tho THEY DONT EVER DO THAT, ALL THEY DO IS DESTROY AND NO ONE CARES

[@Disco6ixco]

Niggas steady pointing the finger when we are the cause of most of our problems. Shit really is fuckin weak

[@egocentricblack3278]

We? Last I checked I didn't murder someone and brag about it on Twitter. King von deserved to be in jail like the serial killer he was.

[@malcador]

Yet another day of "we gotta do dis 😢 we gotta come together and 😢😢😢" voice all shaking and shit. Sobbing. 😒

[@user-ik5ze1sh7i]

Interesting conversation

[@ArrogantNinjaStudios]

Hey man, I just wanna say that you're not to blame for putting this stuff out there. I've been watching your shit for years now. I'm from the UK myself, I live in Canada now but like you, i've always been interested in what happens in the world of hip hop. I find your videos incredibly informative and a good example of 'what not do do'. Each of these types of videos are life lessons. They're almost like a deterrence for any rappers that want to get in to that type of life. Knowing your own life is on the line should be a stark reminder of why you shouldn't be running your mouth or getting online and chatting shit. Life's short, your videos highlight this immensely. I believe your videos are a prime example for people who are interested in what happens in places like Chicago, New York, Jacksonville, etc. I can't imagine how much work you put in to this. Every time I watch a video, I never get the vibe that you're doing this to snitch or get clout. It's informative, like Wikipedia or the news when they report on these types of situations. Thank you SO much for putting this out there and putting yourself out there like you do. Mad respect. But the most thing I'm glad about is that you're not from liverpool because god knows I wouldn't be able to watch your videos with that type of accent, mate. Keep up the good work.

[@FREEZA_AKA_MR_COOLA]

Informative? The world knew about this shit long before Tlr 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ArrogantNinjaStudios]

@@FREEZA_AKA_MR_COOLA Really, they did? Was there a platform where this was being highlighted or was as easily accessible as this? Show me.

[@elronlavey5912]

So basically David is saying It’s okay for Durk, Von and Sosa to rap about real dirt being done in the city of Chicago because they’re real street dudes But if a “nerd” like Ross or a “goofy” like Akademics talks about what Durk, Von & Sosa rap about, then more violence will erupt in Chicago because kids are gonna slide just so they can be in the next Ross KZbin video This David dude makes no sense. He’s just mad Ross didn’t reach out to buy an interview from him

[@littlegirlblue9829]

Exactly. They're trying to extort Ross!

[@staxmarley8259]

4 grown men having a civil conversation is commendable

[@Marshmobilise]

Sad state of the world that this has become exceptional

[@cchima9932]

3 grown men.

[@duncanpenderhughes8865]

Talkin about nothin

[@nkosistrainbullies5806]

This is not a compliment men should be able to express themselves

[@lilspliffster88]

Dave acted like a child at some point

[@oluniranolutimayin66]

Your videos are quality. Documentary also get me to listen to Vons music.

[@forestknowledge]

1:22:24 bro is a trained mediator! This is honestly such a powerful video! And DJ Akademiks spoke amazingly! This information is valuable and needs to be seen on the streets.

[@blackmcbain3145]

Respect to Ross. He's doing us all a service. Denial ain't going to help anyone.

[@GameN3rdz]

It never does

[@MrCk1234567890]

Ross is the only adult in this debate

[@YACHIHANNAH]

No he’s the only dog

[@sweetasskandi]

Bodies would have been dropping regardless. I personally am grateful for the documentary as a person from across the pond and of colour. It has helped me to understand the struggles my brothers and sisters are enduring on the other side of the world. To know that these children were soo young and handed guns was extremely upsetting for me to see. As, I compared it to my family member of the same age. Tear were shed and the world really needs to get better. We all regardless of colour or creed. NEED to do BETTER for these kids. Love Vons music can,t lie very creative artist. However, he was what he was, whether we like it or not . He devised a higher sense of self and power from killing ....sociopathic traits I'd say.

[@ChloeJohnsonBey]

Keep doing what u doin, just how u doin it!!!

[@SOULTHAGOD]

AK jumped in the call and immediately started givin David bars like he was a feature😂😂😂

[@indiashante1560]

😂😂😂

[@twshabangu2894]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@oliverquach9614]

It’s so tricky for Ross (and any non-black person, really) to engage in these debates. Potential land mines all over the place.

[@mra2316]

It’s okay if the Killer himself reports his crime, but it’s not okay if his crimes get reported on….logic.

[@fooliojones3319]

😅😅😅. Literally couldn't make this shit up if I was tripping off acid.

[@rzwitdauncut]

thats the logic of the community. classic. i dare them to buck at abc 6 news like that💯😂🤣

[@ashleylwilliams4067]

Ross is definitely logical. Dave is definitely emotional. Dave place accountability where it belongs!!

[@jmar5127]

I'm embarrassed by some of my peoples mindset. It almost seems like a joke they actually believe reporting on murders is more of a focus than the actual murderers. Smh 🤡

[@timmorisma4800]

@32:35 Trap More Ross started cooking here. He's right, we do need to ban instagram from allowing these gang members to have a platform. These social media platforms are a big part of this situation.

[@quintonbrooks7536]

He's right every sense they add live on Instagram it's got crazy gang members talking non stop

[@valeriagude903]

All these people twisting themselves into pretzels defending someone that’s killed all those black folks are so delayed 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@abzda1700]

None of them black folks were law abiding citizens the body that Made von famous is literally a female assassin

[@tomjornee2391]

Thank u

[@raven717]

This is why I don’t fe sorry for these gang members that keep dropping. Let them get rid of each other so we won’t have these unaccountable idiots causing destruction in the community

[@deidrajames4258]

And this is why the KKK is sitting back laughing, let them do it.

[@thegreathonourandprosper52]

Blame the police and vons mother for ignoring his tweets and actions.

[@coreywilson7326]

That's his fault I mean his mother is part but not all

[@TRESHONCURRY]

Fire

[@TedyBrukshut]

The lack of accountability in the black community is astonishing (*from some people in the black community is a more thoughtful comment)

[@enzigenes]

Very.

[@TheThinkingMansTemplar]

Not at this point... Nothing surprised me anymore

[@jluchette]

White man from a rural area here, no life experience to draw from. I DID study violence among various demographics of American youth while getting my Master’s in psych, and I’ve never seen any scientific evidence that suggests the black community lacks accountability more than other minority groups, or other demographics such as: ANY minority, low SES/underprivileged populations, etc…. But you can’t learn everything from college. So, please educate me: why are you saying the black community in particular “lacks accountability?” NOT trying to argue any point, I just wanna hear people’s reasoning so I can learn.

[@ShaunKang69]

@@jluchette because the blame is always pushed to somewhere else, wither it be racism, sexism, the police, economic resources and etc. When the blatant truth is right in front of everyone's eyes. It's black gang violence!!! If we can't admit that this is the biggest problem then we are just lying to each other trying to pass the blame.

[@TedyBrukshut]

@@jluchette honestly, this was a knee jerk reaction to this video specifically. When I really think about it, I guess I can’t really pin lack of accountability on the black community solely. Im black and maybe bc I’m around my community more than any other, my view is probably biased. A more accurate comment maybe would have been to say the guy from Chicago in the video doesn’t seem to be holding the right people accountable when it come to the violence in Chicago. If I remember right, he mentioned that traploreross had some responsibility behind the violence that commenced following his video being posted on king von. I think bc of who I am as a person, being someone who takes believes strongly in accountability for my own actions, when I hear people being blamed for the actions of others it makes me cringe. Hope this comment was insightful. And thanks for challenging me to think about the comment I made.

[@mirage5002]

ChicagoKingDavid a clown. You blaming TLR for what King Von's kids will see? Von didnt think of his kids when he was putting money up and all those tweets?

[@valeriagude903]

Correct 💯🤦🏾‍♀️

[@mac3176]

No way he thought about his kids before he started a fight with quando rondo I doubt it he just cared about his image.

[@timothygarner477]

I have so much respect for your character Trap Lore Ross.

[@x217xwebb]

The fact he blames Ross for people in the hood sliding on opps is fucking hilarious.

[@g-holy]

So if 60 Minutes come do a Chiraq special, they responsible now? If Oprah do a video on it, she responsible? Is the News responsible? Stop it

[@LordHaveMurcielago]

Funny thing, 60 Minutes Australia actually did a special on the murders in Chicago a few years ago.

[@dvonnlynch1607]

Blaming the violence on youtube documentaries is some serious accountability dodging

[@jonny_gage]

🎉 great video I am now going to keep putting out the positive vibes because we need more videos like this.

[@Turbo-Drip]

Dropping in to show some love for TLR. GOAT!

[@Oscar.shaman]

Bro really tried to blame Trap Lore Ross for murders. Lmaooo bro that beef will never end you live in Chicago try to fix that shit. He’s not the cause of nothing. It BE your own people

[@Blackreaper95]

Beef been going on since black folks moved to Chicago and somehow that's TLR's fault I don't understand either lol, our wider community is done for.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

​@@Blackreaper95 Beef in Chicago has always been there, and always this Crazy. Even the Chicago Mafia were crazier and more brazen than elsewhere. Not more effective...but just more open with their shit. That criminal culture is continued by the gangs of today.

[@mitchellbrown2450]

Niggas like him make black people look so weak. BLAME VON for his BS. Not the one talking about it

[@BigO631]

If KZbin videos make you kill somebody you were a lost cause to begin with

[@Anthony-wv9kd]

They blamed Ak too Chicago dudes just don’t like taking accountability

[@hollywoodhov9171]

Salute to trap lore ross for holding it down ...big facts

[@Whatmurdaaaaa]

David's perspective, unsolved murders aren't really murders coz nobody has been convicted 😂😂😂😂😂

[@diddy2612]

Exactly, he sound stupid

[@Ishbikes]

Hitler never got convicted for war crimes either so I guess he’s innocent according to this nigga

[@thegodnasr]

King Dave's perspective is he's madder at youtube videos than the gangbangers actually doing the murders in the community🤯

[@zabadyah]

That means you don't understand the point.

[@dlilwon]

@@zabadyah well say the point. Unless you don’t know neither 😅

[@EatSleepSkrrt]

A certified message from the streets: we love you ross, keep up the work, dont veel bad about making documentaries, you put in all the work, and polish that BTH, so you valid, if you make a mistake you act on it, and its fire to see other tranched aiht 🙌🏽

[@aworte3266]

Its not instigating. I swear they blame anyone BUT the shooters.

[@mackdaddypeypey1]

It DEFINITELY wasn’t in bad taste. They just trying to pick on the skinny whyte dude 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@L.O.HLilKenny]

Pretty Much

[@JGRG07]

Ak and Ross are making too many good points lol if you want to kill someone over a documentary then you have other issues. Von was literally tweeting about murders and just because he beat the case means he didn't do it? "Caught a body, beat that body, catch some more" -King Von

[@audiofeinz5754]

Thank you Ross you are a legend

[@TJ-um8ce]

Lmao! This is essentially a shake-down 😂... they eluded to financial "compensation" several times as a way for Ross to basically get back in Chicago's good graces. They are trying to finesse him while simultaneously dodging *any* accountability (outside of blaming Ross) regarding the gang problems... what a talent.

[@4huggies]

This was really difficult to watch because Dave continued to argue a point based on how journalism is causing old flames to reignite. That was not just a stretch, it was taking accountability away from those that are really responsible. At the end of the day all these people have the power in their hands to not commit the crime, the cycle ends when they decide to end it. Good on Ross and Akademiks to point out how the music that is directly mocking those who have died continues to be played and make rappers rich does not get the attention Ross is getting when all he is doing is shedding light and education to the topic.

[@kjrobinson4105]

Exactly, this dudes argument makes no sense at all. Invalid

[@Bmore3OG]

Well said

[@LSDdreams808]

They need to put more respect on ross name he makes some incredible content.

[@calebtaylor2910]

Every argument ol dude made was completely emotional. Facts are facts my dude.

[@PAGoldenglovechamp06]

Dude lives in Chicago with the people not some damn culture vulture like you