Kingdom Hearts 1 Beta Vs Final Version - Removed Content & Changes

[@bubu7036]

Interesting fact: you could hear a owl hooting outside Merlin's house in the original kh1, there was a drop water sound too but these sound effects was removed in the remix version, i don't know why tho cuz i think it's cool.

[@Smithsta02]

I’ve literally just remembered that the sounds aren’t there

[@fernandostrongbottom2644]

@@Smithsta02 what?

[@IJustWantAMocha]

Yeah I totally forgot ahh

[@Silent_Mochi]

Omg...I remember the water drop in the original, I knew something was missing when I played the remixes

[@MikeAruba69]

Hey, you're right! The hooting owl is no longer there in the ReMix version. One thing that I noticed in the KH2 Final Mix ReMix version is that the original Roxas battle grunts where replaced with Ventus' BBS battle grunts instead. I don't know why they made this change, but I don't really mind.

[@bewilde_]

13:06 I believe they actually reference the trailer in the ReCoded cutscene movie when it gets to part when Data Sora goes against Darkside for the first time at Destiny Island where he does the exact same thing with a bit more pizzazz. It's one of my all time favourite moments because of the throwback, with the same music and all. (✯ᴗ✯)

[@bewilde_]

Here it is at that moment at 18:03 if it doesn't load it at that point kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJbadGWGr7WJac0

[@arigat-s0244]

Damn it...you beat me to it lol

[@ushinatta444]

While you were talking about the fire magic in the beta trailer, it looks like a soldier heartless bounced off another soldier heartless as if they could get sent flying into each other.

[@rebeccamabury4140]

Here's what I think. I think as they were working on Kingdom Hearts, they originally wanted to make Riku the main villain of the game.

[@oathkeeperofoblivion972]

even in the final game you can kinda see remnants of that in the plot, i'd even wager to say that "end of the world" wasn't even supposed to exist, I mean really, what happens in that world, other than the ansem fight? just a bunch of heartless encounters, I think the game was originally gonna end at hollow bastion

[@RexcorJ]

@@oathkeeperofoblivion972 It would have been cool to see that dynamic between Sora and Riku carry out as the real final boss fight. Perhaps Ansem was originally just Riku completely giving himself in to the darkness, aging him and transforming him with that immense power, until they decided to make him his own character with relevancy to the plot. It would slightly explain why EotW is mostly empty besides Chernabog and the majority of the Heartless.

[@oathkeeperofoblivion972]

​@@RexcorJ this makes a lot of sense, and I'm inclined to agree, though, granted, it's a classic final fantasy troupe of "But he's the real bad guy!!!" maybe it was planned, probably not, though, just knowing both square and Disney

[@RexcorJ]

@facts Not of the series, but I can see it as the end of Sora and Riku's story, rather than extending it for so long in such an awkward way. I love what we got to an extent, but this seems like a good idea to me at the same time.

[@superlombax1561]

@@RexcorJ I actually heard that Dragon Maleficent was planned to be the final boss, hence why she was so strong. So, going off of your theory, perhaps, perhaps you'd probably fight Maleficent, seemingly defeat her, and then you'd take out Riku before Maleficent comes back as a dragon. Or better yet, maybe the Dragon could've been Riku's Heartless after he completely gives into the darkness in one last final attempt to take out Sora and the gang.

[@williamjackson8782]

Riku on the clock tower reminds me of the box art for the game. Wish they kept it.

[@riverflamingo2890]

Dude I was thinking the exact same thing, the way he looks down on the city seems exactly like the box art

[@rubydragoon720]

Fun Fact: In the kingdom hearts 1 Ultimania Nomura speaks on a super interesting detail: "The words that appear in the opening were actually words that an actual character was going to say in the ending. Please enjoy speculating who was going to speak those lines." Not much just thought I should share it to those who might not know.

[@ZeranZeran]

I'm gonna guess Sora? I always thought it was Sora saying them anyway. "I've been having these weird thoughts lately.. like is any of this for real? Or not?"

[@Yoyo_boi202]

I always thought it was ven because ven is in soras heart after all.

[@ZeranZeran]

@@Yoyo_boi202 oh shit you're right! So even way back then, Nomura was thinking about Ventus being inside sora's heart. thats really neat.

[@devonteedwards2093]

Seeing beta designs and animation is really interesting

[@flyinryan1459]

For a 2002 game kingdom hearts had surprisingly good graphics for its time

[@blessedevelyn339]

Heartless design in beta is far superior to Remix version.

[@johnpantag472]

@@blessedevelyn339 they are exactly the same except that some of them have different colors

[@rararrar98553047658]

@@johnpantag472I personally like the colours in KH2 PS2 over the 1.5 ReMix version - the purples and blacks, especially the Fat Bellies.

[@Tke]

I’m distracted by every character of the beta having the :3 lips

[@arigat-s0244]

They be having those FFX lips.

[@markeyiszra]

Glad they have some model that have their face fully animated.

[@funhow123]

Sora looks so mad during that beta cutscene that’s amazing

[@reddodeado]

13:00 It's most likely an equivalent to the Reaction Command in KH2. In KH 1 PS2, the bottom most command in your menu was a context sensitive slot, and not a Summon slot like in 1.5. If you pay attention, you can see that the slot itself has text on it until Sora jumps up onto the Darkside's arm, in which it becomes blank again.

[@juansnowgaming]

I remember seeing the first trailer on tv and being so interested in it. Unfortunately i didnt get a ps2 till 3 years later and i played kh1&2 back to back. You’re a huge inspiration to me and my gaming channel

[@pokestar9994]

Thank god we never got that original logo holy moly.

[@riverflamingo2890]

Seeing Riku on the Big Ben in london looked so damn cool, I wish that he was a flying boss in that part in the final version!

[@NektisNoir]

Actually the keyhole on the door in the Secret Place IS present in the final game. Riku sees it appear there in the second flashback to when he and Sora were little kids.

[@kokonbini]

One thing I noticed about that reaction command segment is that the bottom menu option actually says しょうかん (Shoukan), which means summon. Which probably means the summon command was originally intended to be in the bottom of the command menu in the original kh1, like how it was in 1.5. Or it could be a placeholder, idk

[@fernandostrongbottom2644]

So summon thunder

[@reddodeado]

It becomes blank when Sora jumps onto the Darkside's arm, and the slot itself is context sensitive in the final release, like a Reaction Command from KH2. My theory is that there were going to be more uses for it in the final game.

[@Dark-kz2bq]

I once herd that Chernabog was originally meant to be the final boss instead of Ansem.

[@hchappy125]

I mean Disney wise he should be the final boss. Maleficent is the mistress of all evil, but after defeating her you run into the literal devil. Could have worked as a final boss in a different game

[@TanteiGH]

I remember Chernabog coming from nowhere so that kinda makes sense.

[@infernape100]

perhaps, before they released the game, they had the thought of sora being chosen but eventually may of had the idea of Riku suddenly being the true chosen keyblade wielder, which makes the hollow bastion scene much more understandable.

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

It’s already a trope in Japanese media that the original chosen one is the main character’s rival, not the main character themselves. But eventual the main character proves they are a better fit than original choice.

[@gaminwithwilson2437]

Is no one gonna talk about how mad Sora looks all the time in the beta

[@cooperkeuten1883]

im replaying kingdom hearts 1 right now it feels different from the rest of the games. the charm in the first is unmatched imo

[@fernandostrongbottom2644]

I'm Playing in a dream 😉

[@juniorsr197]

Yeah, the rest of the games just don't have the same feel

[@xXLunatikxXlul]

Agreed

[@fernandostrongbottom2644]

@@juniorsr197 yeah I'll tell y'all about it Kh re:com: cards KH2: triangle x. riku find. roxas in sora and naminé in kiari. Kh358/2days: DS/MOVIE Kh bbs: command deck and origin Kh re:coded: gone and turned into a movie phone KHbbs0.2: end of kh1 and kh3 demo KH DDD: flowmotion and sleeping world's test riku and sora command deck ds ps4 and the starting of kh3 KhX: movie Kh union X: origin of nobody's, phone KH dark road: origin of xehanort and phone and auto hit Kh3: the end of kh😈not Kh melody of memory: rytham game Kh1 best game of kh

[@fernandostrongbottom2644]

I think I'll play that

[@BrennySpain]

to this day I still can't get over how different the beta trailer is rto the final game! it honestly feels like a completely different game altogether! lol

[@TophDaGreat]

There is a certain charm that KH1 still has. I can still play it to this day and have fun. Probably because the story wasn't convoluted as fuck back then. It was simple and clean*winks*

[@blessedevelyn339]

I dread playing KH2 but KH1 is so replayable.

[@WitchChangkyun]

Agreed. I’ve completely lost count of how many times I’ve played kh1.

[@Roninkinx]

I personally LOVE the magic system in 1 over 2 and 3's. There's just something right about slapping stuff to get MP back. Though I DO Love the ability that you can parry attacks to get some MP back as well.

[@tjskeyblade]

What up the gamers joint I really enjoyed your details about kingdom hearts in General

[@davidosclay852]

There a beta trailer of KIngdom Hearts 2 Sora, Donald and Goofy fight the Heartless at the Hollow Bastion castle from Kingdom Hearts 1.

[@MaugzSR]

Oh I remember that trailer all too well

[@davidosclay852]

@@MaugzSR Cool!

[@Starkiller156]

There's concept art of sora actually having different designs like every world having it's own costume also there's images of what could be a actual model of sora's early design back when he had the half boy half lion look

[@Starkiller156]

Aswell as sora and riku holding their keyblades in different postions like the keychain for example

[@Another14-]

Beta Sora look mad feisty for no reason in the thumbnail 🤣

[@zhugaming9035]

We do actually see the door with the keyhole design in the secret place. Eventually. Just not that soon in the game.

[@Starkiller156]

Fun fact about kh1 mainly it's conceptual stages,sora and riku were at some point in development able to wield and use their keyblades in different positions such as the keychain,and 2 things one is that it seem to be that there's a model for sora's early design as shown in a document i will link as a reply and that concept art for kh1 showed that they didn't plan on having any disney aspect in them,it seems like the that kh was originally a sandbox open world game based on a concept showing what is presumed to be the main character at the time climbing the skeletal remains of a beast or dinosaur

[@Starkiller156]

First link:has the early sora model and other concepts www.khinsider.com/news/Hidden-Treasure-The-Kingdom-Hearts-Design-Document-5697

[@Starkiller156]

Second link:a thread talking about the different ways sora and riku use their keyblades since the original khinsider article is missing smh mobile.twitter.com/FrustratedJacob/status/1153050823309582349

[@Starkiller156]

Anyways hope you guys enjoy this what to some of you guys might find new discoveries of kh history and Happy finding!

[@Starkiller156]

Also one last tidbit i almost forgot about kh1 ansem in the brown cloak originally wasn't ansem and he was a cloakes figure who was going to stalk sora throughout his journey and leave vague hints

[@fernandostrongbottom2644]

You forgot how you couldn't hit a heartless with a heartless

[@leilaclarridge5807]

Cleaning up the Dalmatian House alleyways is probably so that it doesn’t look too filthy for a married couple and their dogs to live in. Since Roger and Anita are both fairly well off and their house in Traverse Town implies that they may be some of the higher class people there, so the developers probably realized that people like them wouldn’t want to live in an alleyway full of what seems to be construction materials.

[@gamingreploid1866]

10:14 and don't forget that we do finally get a scene of Riku at the clock tower in Re:Coded.

[@samireland54]

He forgot to mention that in the Beta, Donald and Goofy meet Sora in the First District of Traverse Town and not in the Third District like the final cut.

[@held2053]

It seems that Thunder was so strong, that in beta, the devs decided to give it the cost of 3 MP

[@egateqa1351]

3:38 one thing you forgot to mention is, Although Donald & Goofy's Traditional Outfits were replaced with their Unique Kingdom Hearts Outfits, their Traditional Outfits were still in Kingdom Hearts as the Outfits Donald & Goofy wore at the end credits scene in Kingdom Hearts 1, and the opening cinematic and beginning of Chain of Memories.

[@Roninkinx]

On the back of the American Strategy Guide they also have their portraits drawn by Nomura which I always thought was so cool.

[@GeminiWolfstarGaming]

Watching this made me look up and watch the actual trailer! It would be really cool to see you cover same thing with KH2, BBS, and DDD!

[@bp1991able]

Thanks for the upload! It was a fun history lesson of the series!

[@Thenedoftime]

Wait you can run up the Darkside's arm? How am I just learning this now!?

[@ostrider3500]

Yee, that's how I would always fight it. Well, the later one near the end of the game at least. I played KH1 so much my munny maxed out and I 100%d the game. Still have the save file on my old memory card

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Sora, Riku and Kairi’s beta faces look like Zidane’s Face from FF9 imo but with more expression since it’s next generation hardware. Very interesting video, this lowkey felt like a DYKG video. We need more videos like these.

[@JOEYBTUBE]

Challenge: take a shot with "that of" "in regards to" and any time his voice goes \__./\ in tone

[@jackleveille9319]

I just turned 21 yesterday man! Are you trying to kill me?

[@funnysonicman]

Jack Leveille *hehe*

[@NightwaveDarkKnight]

There's always something interesting to see in any beta of any game alright.

[@IJustWantAMocha]

Agreed

[@Viviana088]

The two main betas that still makes me wonder what it would be like if they released are Half Life 2 and Halo 2.

[@majinya6199]

@TrellTinsley193 the original RE4 got changed to Devil May Cry 1, i'm sure a lot of stuff was changed but there might still be some concepts left over from og RE4

[@majinya6199]

@TrellTinsley193 the whole nightmare trippy the original RE4 had looked so awesome

[@majinya6199]

@TrellTinsley193 needing to stop and shoot kept the survival aspects of the older RE titles imo, 5 ruined the series and 7 brought it back to its roots, and yeah i heard of the remake too looking forward to it :3

[@Some_Random_Guy]

it's worth noting that Sora's character model in the Remix is slightly different than the ps2 model due to the fact that Square had to recreate the game after having lost the source code

[@kokonbini]

The updated model was actually lifted re:chain of memories, with some minor tweaks here and there. The original model looked dated in comparison to the superior model that they already had. Also these changes only apply to the high poly model, to my knowledge. I'm sure the lower poly gameplay model is the same, if not, almost identical.

[@Some_Random_Guy]

@@kokonbini the most noticeable thing is how much lighter Sora's hair is compared to the original. I'm pretty sure I had heard about it being his CoM model before but regardless I still think it's worth mentioning since he's comparing beta footage to the Remix when the context of the video is beta vs the final version (assuming "final" here is referring to the original ps2 release)

[@loganbigmo]

@@Some_Random_Guy They used DDD Ansem model for the KH1 HD so I assumed they also used DDD Sora's model and just changed the outfit for the Kh1 ReMix.

[@oathkeeperofoblivion972]

@@loganbigmo there is actually a DDD model of kh1 sora, you play as him in the prologue/combat tutorial, iirc they used that version of him

[@tarastmichel]

It looks like the one that was supposed to require three MP was Thunder or サンダー

[@GranchioGranchio]

I like how Sora looked a bit like a lion in the beta version, reminding me of his super early design

[@HyperSonicXtreme]

I remember seeing beta screenshots of KH1 from the Electronic Gaming Monthly August 2001 issue 145. First time I heard of Kingdom Hearts in my 8th grade years. Also remember seeing the E3 & TGS 2001 trailers of KH1 back in the late 2000s on youtube.

[@xbolt678]

Sora looked like a crackhead in the beta 🥴

[@dielan44]

Wow a time when the actual game looked better than the trailer

[@Aperez]

Imagine how funny this would have been if the beta trailer of the game had titled it as "Kingdom of Hearts" before they were finalizing it to "Kingdom Hearts." LOL!

[@AmiableAmigo]

The time of day is day time. I live that

[@majinya6199]

i'm pretty sure the 3mp magic is Thunder, just hard to read with how blurry it is

[@majinya6199]

also if you go frame by frame at the part where Cynical says 2mp bars for Thunder, you can see that the 3mp one gets selected and Sora does Thunder

[@WilyGryphon]

6:38 Really?? I never even tried First-Person Mode in KH2. Probably because there was never a real point for it in the first game. That's cool.

[@dragonlord12100]

This makes me wonder what cut content for birth by sleep was because in the trailer for it in KH2 you see them standing in front of what looks like a dead dragon Xemnas

[@aedge622]

What versionof the Destiny Island Battle theme was that? I love it

[@MANNY100123]

damn... I gotta play through KH1 again... I'm suddenly feeling nostalgic! lol.

[@krisbrooks4510]

Seeing Beta Sora. He just looks mad

[@tatisakura81]

Nice comparison, are you planning to do it for the other games too?

[@Roninkinx]

You didn't mention some of the text where it says "We have to save Sora!" and other such things which makes me think that at one point Sora was going to die or something. I've always wondered that since I saw the trailer back in the mid 00s.

[@sstarlit5631]

the tent exterior and interior are still the same area in specifically one of the cutscenes.

[@sstarlit5631]

also i imagine what you percieve as a reaction command is simply normal gameplay with something different with the camera, perhaps the camera was going to work differently to follow the arm as sora climbs it

[@colemanhuckins1181]

Seeing this just takes me back to my childhood. Good times.

[@TheDesecrator]

Kairi sure was showing a lot of leg in that beta trailer. ;D

[@jamiehunt2306]

those were the days :)

[@Masertmaster]

I started a new KH 1 playthrough because of you

[@JuansGotThis]

am i crazy or was there actually an action command input at the bottom of the command list if you look closely 13:03 like it disappears like he confirmed the input and scrolls up to do the attack command next idk lmfao

[@nomoremandead3910]

It was, but not exactly kh2 action command It was cut later midway thru production

[@PupRiku]

I've watched so many videos on this exact topic... Yet as soon as I saw this I smashed play...

[@ZeranZeran]

I like old logo! Neat video

[@alialatrach9788]

Date time changed to Sunset? But why the Sunset red?

[@chefboiardeeznutz9881]

I wouldn't even be mad if they remade kh1 and kh2 in unreal engine graphics.

[@calloftheleafy1498]

10:10 They probably removed those boxes bc there wasn't a gizmo shop at first, perhaps

[@AubreyTheKing]

Good old classic Kingdom Hearts 1 on the PS2! Good times baby!

[@brandmorejon]

Boi those are some thicc thunders

[@NinjaSox7]

Oddly enough, Thunder is the one listed as taking 3 MP which...yeah idk. Granted I'm just going off of Google Translate's picture importing and text highlighting functions but still

[@Kewkumber]

That early logo is a thing of nightmares 😆

[@axels3188]

I think that all this information is very interesting.

[@Jochira_VTuber]

I actually never knew you could climb on Darkside's arm nwn

[@traversetowndistrict4922]

I found the the kh1 demo on ebay but it was sold the next day

[@kertuo]

Man this bring back memories of removal content

[@Thewaterspirit57]

I really wish Square would release some sort of…. “Beta packages” thing, of their old games, so we could get a taste of whatever they had before they changed the game a bunch Cuz that would be cool

[@Reamstreams]

Take a shot every time he says swallowed by darkness

[@FrostDJakki3529]

Yo my guy are you getting KH MoM and doing a playthrough?

[@1sdani]

Maybe Riku was originally planned to have revealed to Sora that the darkness in his heart drew the Heartless to their world Clayton style, and that the destruction of their world would free them to explore many faraway worlds (later it'd be revealed that he met Ansem and had a bit more productive a conversation than when Sora met him), convincing Sora that Riku's lost his mind and decide to attack him in hopes it would snap him out of it or stop the destruction of their world

[@Isiel42]

Every copy is personalized?

[@tornado79ify]

That picture of the Sora can be a meme.🤣🤣🤣

[@AlexxxMYLSince2013]

Its pretty sad that Kairi was left as a damsel in distress in kh 1. It would have been cooler a Playable Kairi saving Sora. that seemed to be the case in the beta.

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

Where the heck are you getting that from, nothing in the beta suggest anything like that occurs? Having another playable character would have been already been in the Beta, and would have been mentioned if it was cut.

[@AlexxxMYLSince2013]

@@JohnWilliams-wl9px the text at the end of the beta, hints at it very heavily the hole we have to save sora, also playable kairi is just a very alpha thing that got scraped quickly, most of the things in this trailer were removed.

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

@@AlexxxMYLSince2013 I think you need to look closer most of the stuff in the Beta actually is in the game in some form just change slightly. Even Riki scene at Destiny Island animation resembles the final game where Ansem is giving his speech. “We have to save Sora”, is one of the many of the text mentions Sora’s fate. It literally could be Donald for all we know. Even then early plan for how the party reacted to Sora turning into a heartless. Since in game development the Beta is the phase where features are locked into place. They don’t really cut features like a playable character out. Plus a major thing like Kairi at one point being playable Noruma would have mentioned it. After all the man is shared a lot of planned ideas that were cut from the final releases of each game’s.

[@AlexxxMYLSince2013]

@@JohnWilliams-wl9px well this isnt my theory i heard it from a youtube video but i dont remember who said it.

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

@@AlexxxMYLSince2013 then that person is making stuff up if they somehow thought the Beta teased Kairi being playable. Something that would have been mentioned years ago by Noruma since he likes talking about ideas that were cut

[@x-xsharkix-x]

i swear to god in every image of sora his hair either get lighter or darker with no reason

[@Firestar1992]

I do agree that KH1 has a lot of charm story-wise. But the stiff gameplay compared to 2 and 3 makes actually playing it more of a slog for me. Maybe it’s because I’m a relative newcomer to the series, though.

[@NazoFriends]

cool and are you going to do the same for the other games

[@Viviana088]

8:15 they most likely added the flap/loading screen because the uhh... cheetah(?) and heartless would attack and interrupt the player trying to get the next sequence (Scripted event). That and the tent makes a pretty convenient saving point so there's that. That's just my take though. Edit: You kinda explained it yourself a few seconds later but I'll leave my comment. 😂

[@thabugman9433]

Do this for all the kh games please

[@Nite-Rise]

We’ve come a long way

[@Arcademan09]

I think you should have used the PS2 versions for the game since that was the original release and the HD remix had to change a few textures since Square Enix in all their infinite wisdom somehow lost the source code and had to literally rip assets off the retail version and remake the other missing assets

[@gigablast4129]

Sora in looks like hes about throw hands in beta

[@sterlingkart9562]

Can we talk about the KH2 beta images vs the Final Game?

[@link12992]

Beta sora looking hella pissed

[@NitroTheCatLover]

3:21 Goofy's eyes look so weird to me here.... am I alone?

[@heppuplays9125]

to be honest i kinda prefer this Beta trailer more than the actual KH1 trailer. this one was kinda eerie and mysterious with no Actual dialogue and just dive into the heart playing. Rather than the actual one that is like HEY LOOK IT'S DISNEY! with the Magical and whimsical simple and Clean orchestral version playing. it's just You sitting there listening to Dive into the heart and wondering "what is going on? what am i watching?

[@HaruKiyoshi643]

just an fyi.. it seems the 3 mp bar was thunder.... at least thats what im reading cause it says sanda~

[@doofpoof29]

The beta version is kinda looking like a poorly made nintendo switch port

[@simpleyasser2251]

Ya know even to this day of game quality i still wouldve been hyped to play this game

[@Mijemega]

4:58 WHAT ARE THOOOOSEEEEEE!?... 🤣😂🤣 👞 👞

[@doranmitchell1700]

Lol 😂

[@flamma1114]

He forgot the biggest one Bahmut

[@loganbigmo]

The Bahamut summon wasn't shown in the beta trailer?

[@yoshimitsui2]

This is the first video seeing beta contents in Kingdom Hearts. (I may be wrong.)

[@buster5661]

This looks like the final mix versions

[@randymarshislorde]

The last "fact" isnt a fact lmfao.