Kingdom of Bretonnia vs Vampire Counts - The Old World (Battle Report)

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Kingdom of Bretonnia - Unnamed list - [1999pts]
Characters [777pts]
Damsel [131pts]:
• 1x Damsel [131pts]: Hand Weapon, Bretonnian Warhorse, Barding, Hand Weapon, Wizard Level 2, Battle Magic, Sword Of The Stout Hearted
Duke [462pts]:
• 1x Duke [462pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Shield, General, Hippogryph, Heavy Armour, Serrated Maw, Wicked Claws, Barding, Virtue of Knightly Temper, Morning Star of Fracasse, Gromil Great Helm
Paladin [82pts]:
• 1x Paladin [82pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Shield, Battle Standard Bearer, Bretonnian Warhorse, Barding, Hand Weapon, The Knight's Vow, Lance
Paladin [102pts]:
• 1x Paladin [102pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Shield, The Grail Vow, Virtue Empathy, Biting Blade
Core [963pts]
Knights Errant [214pts]: The Knight's Vow
• 9x Knight Errant [19pts]: Bretonnian Warhorse, Barding, Hand Weapon, Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance, Shield
• 1x Gallant [6pts]
• 1x Musician [6pts]
• 1x Standard Bearer [31pts]: War Banner
2x Men-At-Arms [169pts]:
• 30x Man-At-Arms [4pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Polearm, Shield
• 1x Musician [5pts]
• 1x Standard Bearer [5pts]
• 1x Grail Monk [32pts]: Blessed Tryptich
• 1x Yeoman [7pts]
Mounted Knights of the Realm [134pts]: The Knight's Vow
• 5x Mounted Knight of the Realm [24pts]: Bretonnian Warhorse, Barding, Hand Weapon, Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance, Shield
• 1x First Knight [7pts]
• 1x Musician [7pts]
Mounted Knights of the Realm [165pts]: The Knight's Vow
• 6x Mounted Knight of the Realm [24pts]: Bretonnian Warhorse, Barding, Hand Weapon, Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance, Shield
• 1x First Knight [7pts]
• 1x Musician [7pts]
• 1x Standard Bearer [7pts]
Peasant Bowmen [112pts]:
• 20x Peasant Bowman [5pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
• 1x Standard Bearer [5pts]
• 1x Villein [7pts]
Special [257pts]
Battle Pilgrims & Grail Reliquae [257pts]:
• 24x Battle Pilgrim [8pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Shield
• 1x Grail Reliquae [65pts]
Vampire Counts - [2000pts]
+ Characters [703 pts] ++
Vampire Count [443 pts]
(Lance (when mounted), Heavy armour, Shield, Level 2 Wizard, General, Nightmare, Dreadlance, Sword of Might, Talisman of Protection, Earthing Rod, Curse Of The Revenant, Dark Acolyte, Supernatural Horror, Necromancy)
- Vanhels Dance Macabre
- ⁠Curse of Years
Master Necromancer [260 pts]
(Hand weapon, Level 4 Wizard, On foot, Cloak Of Mist & Shadows, Sceptre Of De Noirot, The Flayed Hauberk, Necromancy)
- Unquiet Spirits
- ⁠Hellish Vigour
- ⁠Spirtual Vortex
- ⁠Spirit Leech
++ Core Units [510 pts] ++
30 Skeleton Warriors [165 pts]
(Hand weapons & Shields, Light armour, Skeleton Champion, Standard bearer, Musician)
30 Skeleton Warriors [165 pts]
(Hand weapons & Shields, Light armour, Skeleton Champion, Standard bearer, Musician)
30 Zombies [100 pts]
(Hand weapon, Standard bearer, Musician)
5 Dire Wolves [40 pts]
(Claws and Fangs (Hand weapons))
5 Dire Wolves [40 pts]
(Claws and Fangs (Hand weapons))
++ Special Units [303 pts] ++
20 Grave Guard [303 pts]
(Great weapons (replaces shields), Heavy armour, Implacable Defence (0-1 per 1000pts), Seneschal, Standard bearer [War Banner], Musician)
++ Rare Units [482 pts] ++
5 Blood Knights [241 pts]
(Hand weapons, Lances & Shields, Iron-Shod Hooves, Full plate Armor & Barding, Kastellan, Standard bearer, Musician)
5 Blood Knights [241 pts]
(Hand weapons, Lances & Shields, Iron-Shod Hooves, Full plate Armor & Barding, Kastellan, Standard bearer, Musician)

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[@Caranelen]

A quick reminder, when the Blood Knights countercharge the Duke: you can't countercharge if the distance is shorter than the charging unit's movement.

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah forgot about that one thanks

[@zarasque]

Vampires are not exempt of the rules that you cannot cast spells if you wear armor

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah correct DC missed it as they could before

[@curthill5185]

@@SNBattleReports Just swap the Flayed Hubrek onto your Vampire and put the Crown or Talisman on your Necromancer for that ward save.

[@chrispeplinski3783]

Flayed hauberk can be worn by a wizard without penalty, is why it's worth 35 pts or whatever

[@frostyworldwide-fpv4586]

He took the hauberk on the Necro, not the mounted Count@@chrispeplinski3783

[@zlobzor]

@@chrispeplinski3783 Yup. But the necromancer can't take it, as they don't already get armour. :(

[@niklaseneqvist2931]

Immune to Psychology does not remove the -1 to Ld from terror. The rule "only" makes you pass Fear, Panic and Terror tests automatically.

[@SNBattleReports]

Perfect thanks

[@mitchcowan1446]

You 100% can use Nehek to grow Zombies past their starting number. That is the whole point of the Newly Dead rule! Other units can only replace only

[@sn_dc]

For sure I agree! It’s just the ‘lost wounds’ part of Nehek that’s confusing

[@venrellvoltan8474]

Notice about first combat (errants vs dogs), if charged unit has to close the door, the unit that was charging makes disorted charge, and in that case lance formation is blunted and no initiative bonus for charging. Love the TOW content, cheers

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks will check it out buddy

[@ndalum75]

Totally wrong, check page 126.

[@SwopetheDope]

Busting out into the costume is great XD

[@SNBattleReports]

😂

[@sn_dc]

But which one was the costume 👀😂

[@leanderschuster3196]

There's a minimum distance required for counter charge to actually trigger: BRB p167: Counter Charge: The unit surges forward to meet the enemy charge. Measure the distance between the two units. If the distance is less than the Movement characteristic of the charging unit, the charged unit has not enough time to meet the enemy charge and must either Hold or Flee instead. Easy to miss when you rush at your enemy ^^

[@SNBattleReports]

Correct

[@wittcomb4378]

characters can only make way into fighting ranks they are not in pg 209 you cannot make way to a different spot in the same fighting rank time 32:22 when charging through difficult terrain ie the woods you roll 2 dice and take the lowest as well as -1 from your move time 35:58 pg 128 you can wizardly dispell as many times as you want however you cannot use that wizard if they are in combat time 36:54 pg 110 you still count as having charged you don't lose the charge bonus because the lance was blunted pg 111 of forces of fantasy pg pg 131 of BBB for accidental contact time 40:22 you add +1 combat res for each close order not just once pg 152 time 43:11

[@sn_dc]

Thanks for the notes and taking the time to do the time stamps and page numbers, I’ll look into those 😊👍

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks

[@goiko2526]

Not sure about the first one. It says you "occupe the desired space, within or adyacent to the appropiate rank"

[@wittcomb4378]

@@goiko2526 you are only partially quoting a section what you are quoting is from moving through the ranks on pg 208 this section does not describe when a character may move through the ranks only the how. characters in combat on pg 209 tells you when you can move through the ranks in this scenario

[@goiko2526]

@@wittcomb4378 Yes, you are right, according to page 209 only characters out of the fighting rank could move into the fighting rank. I missed that part. Thanks for the explanation, mate!

[@OldWorldandBeyond]

Love your work guys! Was a huge fan of the channel back when 40K was good, and now back because you are playing the best game there is!

[@sn_dc]

Thanks! There is no better tabletop game! 🎉❤

[@SNBattleReports]

Welcome back!

[@OldWorldandBeyond]

@@sn_dc very true! 😎

[@OldWorldandBeyond]

@@SNBattleReports 😍😎

[@00Kuja00]

Kings of War is good though... ^^*

[@Komfritten]

I really like that you show the movement - enchances the experience a lot. And helps understand the battle better - keep it up =)

[@SNBattleReports]

Much appreciated!

[@sn_dc]

Thanks!!! Yer it’s a hard one to film in the moment and can be boring so the overview I think works nicely to capture the battlefield as you say! 😊

[@Komfritten]

@@sn_dc You do the fast forward overview wich is superb. It captures a lot of what is going on. You don't do it later on, and I missed it ;) Its nice to see how you moved and wheeled, to get at Your destnation and such.

[@airjamy]

It seems pretty clear to me you can use newly dead to take a unit of zombies beyond their starting strength, also if they are not wounded. That is literally the inly thing the newly dead does.

[@wookieschnitzel7595]

Fantastic content! Immersion, passion and beautifully painted models and terrain. Subscribed!

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks for subbing!

[@yaumlamachine6984]

Excellent as usual! Keep 'em coming! *the costume cracked me up. Nice touch haha

[@SNBattleReports]

😂 thanks buddy

[@lootnscoot50]

More old world please! Really enjoy your old world bat reps

[@sn_dc]

More coming!! ❤

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks Champ!

[@lootnscoot50]

@@SNBattleReports got any dwarves to put on the battlefield?

[@SNBattleReports]

@@lootnscoot50 yeah we have a report with them.

[@tobycook6332]

Loving the old world content. Well done guys. Great to see

[@sn_dc]

Thanks Toby!! 🙂

[@SNBattleReports]

Thank you Toby!

[@bobmylan9434]

Thanks a lot guys your work is fantastic

[@sn_dc]

Thanks so much! Glad you enjoy it 😊

[@SNBattleReports]

Our pleasure!

[@kraye0789]

Was just looking to see if you guys had put a new battle report up yet. Keep up the great Old World bat reps!

[@SNBattleReports]

Enjoy Boss

[@paularcher6554]

I enjoy your content. i appreciate how you celebrate each others successes - a wonderful example of the spirit in which to play the game.

[@SNBattleReports]

May the hobby be the winner

[@filipmanicmushroomsandrzej4073]

Yay! DC finally got a Win! Those Bretonians are totally stunning. I guess when you're on your way back from a crusade where you just fought 3 battles it is wise to take a long rest before taking on a undead/vampire army.

[@SNBattleReports]

Haha agreed 😆

[@sn_dc]

Yay!! This begins my road of redemption - the whole gang are next for the chopping block ⚔️🩸

[@MarkAndTerra]

Remember when Charging through Terrain it is 2d6 take the LOWEST, in addition to the -1 Movement. Also no spells can be cast on Units in Combat unless the spell specifically says, so make sure to check spell descriptions.

[@SNBattleReports]

Yep missed that thanks

[@cillocillo5287]

you are able to target the unit regardless if have no wound lost with invocation(simply dont add any model if is the unit is full) and with the rules of the zombie you can add the number over the starting size . is pretty clear for me. quote :During the Command sub-phase of their turn, if they are not engaged in combat, this character may attempt to resurrect the fallen (see page 28) by making a Leadership test (using their own Leadership). If this test is passed, a single friendly unit that has the Necromantic Undead special rule and is within 12" of this character recovers a number of lost Wounds. the only thing required is make the ld test and have a necromantic undead to chose regardless is full or not

[@robnoel9306]

"Recover" as in "Recover what was lost."

[@Carcharoth0]

@@robnoel9306 From the PDF: Invocation of Nehek: "During the Command sub-phase of their turn, if they are not engaged in combat, this character may attempt to resurrect the fallen" Then the zombies' Newly Dead: "When resurrecting the fallen, a unit with this special rule can be taken beyond its starting size."

[@sclarke6969]

Pretty sure damsel wouldn't be able to dispel as she's in combat. LOVE the old world content guys, subscribed 4 moar

[@SNBattleReports]

Yes we got that wrong

[@goiko2526]

Good report. One reminder: When you Fall Back in Good Order, you are suposed to Flee, Rally and Reform. In the Flee move, if you contact whhit a friendly unit, you pass through it and this unit has to make a Panic test (knights don't for peasants) and the pursuing unit contacts with this new unit.

[@aaronishappy]

Great batrep. If I see VC I click Like before watching or even knowing if the video is good or not :D

[@SNBattleReports]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@aaronishappy]

@@SNBattleReports Absolutely did! Hope TOW content keeps coming

[@SNBattleReports]

@@aaronishappy 🙌🏽 🔥

[@sn_dc]

Glad you liked!! More VC coming in a campaign soon 😊

[@russellbeaubien7430]

Always great to see the old world

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks Buddy

[@sn_dc]

It’s so much fun to play 😊

[@russellbeaubien7430]

@@sn_dc I can't wait to try, I haven't found anyone in my area but I'll keep painting for the time being

[@ilovecokeslurpees]

Wizards can make as many dispel attempts as they want as long as they are in range. I believe you missed that at 36:52 and did a Fated Dispel when you could have done a Wizardly attempt.

[@pleasantpeasant3313]

Thanks for the great content, my favourite battle reports.

[@SNBattleReports]

😃

[@simoneengelleitner947]

You can dispel with a character as often as you want

[@SNBattleReports]

Correct

[@chrisbergonzi7977]

Great stuff...thanks guys...

[@SNBattleReports]

♥️

[@christopherdean4848]

Brilliant game guys and I really like this channel. I'm very much still a fan of the hand held view - it's just a lot more immersive and you can see what's going on properly.

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks buddy and yes agreed! I’m not a fan of a still camera for 2 hours

[@guillaumedubos6596]

Great batrep. Consider however that you cannot countercharge if your unit is within the opposing unit's movement characteristic, like stand & shoot.

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah forgot about that good spot thanks boss

[@TibiscusRO]

great battlerep! sadly countercharge does not work if you are inside the movement characteristic of the charging unit.

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks and correct!

[@MrGreed070]

Love the reports guyz! as a note: fall back in good order is a flee and will go through your own units! (pg 134 states this as the only 2 exceptions are the length of the move and the auto-rally). So it also causes panic and might result in pursuit into a fresh enemy by accidental contact. This for the men at arms & knights turns 4 and 5.(1.33..) also no counter charge up close.

[@SNBattleReports]

Good spot thanks

[@geeksworkshop]

It's my fault in a sense that it's entirely your fault. Angle those advanced troops so that the overrun pulls them off to the side for a counter charge. Not into your cavalry

[@iceking6987]

Unit rules override army rules which override base rules. So you can cast IoN on zombies to raise them past their starting point and they do not have to be wounded initially to do so as you mentioned

[@sn_dc]

Interesting! Is there a page reference to the rules overriding? I mean I agree it makes sense and is silly otherwise (taking 1 wound to then bring back more) it’s just been debated so thought best to ask the community! Thanks 😊

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah need to see the page reference as I haven’t seen that before

[@GuCaMiniatures]

I would say the rule is intended to work like it was played today as it was like that in past editions. Also it seems to be a "refined" copy paste of the Arise! rule for Khemri armies, where there is no posibility to increase the starting size of any unit. I would apply it as it is possible to increase starting size of zombie unita. 😊

[@theogor]

Page 28 of the Vampire Counts legacy army list, there you can find the "Resurrecting the Fallen" rule and also "the Newly Dead" rule. Short: Units with "The Newly Dead" can be resurrected beyond starting size, units without not.@@SNBattleReports

[@FancyPantsDan]

​@Gcastanera I would agree with the refined copy and paste of arise! Seems like maybe they just glazed over the wording of lost wounds, and didn't realize it's not always "lost wounds" in the case of zombies. Also, they intentionally put zombies unit sizes to be 20-40, not sure if that means they could never be brought above 40, but if it did, they most likely added that in so you can't go crazy raising zombies as high as you want and would imply they intended to allow zombies to be resurrected right away without needing to lose wounds

[@crisisgear]

Prophetess plus sword of the quest and the familiar that lets you choose your spells. Take spectral doppelganger, use shield of the lady special rule to put her at the back and then cast spectral doppelganger in combat to absolutely hammer your enemy (Yes you can do this as shield of the lady states you may cast spells as though she were in the fighting rank.) = 2D6 Strength 5 AP-2 Multiple wounds 2.

[@SNBattleReports]

Will look into this buddy thanks

[@RedHarbinger]

Gross, I've been doing something similar with giving my Ogre Slaughtermaster the Skullplucker for Always Strikes First and Killing Blow

[@thomasfrede6742]

Love the channel the Bretonians seem to have no chance here not being able to keep things dead. :)

[@SNBattleReports]

It felt like I killed 3,000 points 😆

[@sn_dc]

Wait we weren’t playing 3,000pts??

[@Idley1]

Got to get DC a cloak. Or like a suit of Blood Dragon plate armour 🤔

[@sn_dc]

NOW we’re talking ❤

[@SNBattleReports]

And some vampire teeth 😆 superglue those bad boys in

[@aalagerwaard]

If I have a Character in an outer lance slot, are all the opp fighting rank considered in base contact with that character and can direct all their attacks to it?

[@SNBattleReports]

A mystery to all! We still don’t know

[@aalagerwaard]

:D@@SNBattleReports

[@carminebattista3249]

as i understand it close order counts for each unit in combat so with 2 v 1 you'd get two close order i believe DC

[@Perkustin]

Good battle, the Brettonians look great.

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks Buddy!!

[@TheDiackon]

there is no thing like "i dont need more zombies" no real necromancer ever said that :P

[@SNBattleReports]

#factoftheday

[@Downvotingpeople]

I've seen folks argue a paladin with Grail Vow can't join a unit of Battle Pilgrims with a Reliquae since the unit becomes unbreakable. But if deployed into it, it isn't unbreakable until after he's added, and then wouldn't he be unbreakable as well since the Reliquae gives it to the unit?

[@mikerushby2178]

Nice batrep. Did I miss something? How can your vampire take heavy armour if they took wizard levels?

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah DC made a mistake got confused with past rules sorry.

[@sn_dc]

In my defence, it’s what we all want to see 😂 Blood Dragons should be able to use their powers in armour! #SignThePetition

[@Lamartine111]

Every time you use the Sceptre of De Noirot you are supposed to roll a D6 and take a wound on a 1. You forgot this!

[@MagicAlfi]

Whats that intro?? There is no fear in the heart of a Bretonian knight guided by the Lady! They welcome the chance to prrof their honour and stop the sacrilege.

[@40kWARGAMERSTv]

Great job ;) Nice cosplay ^^

[@SNBattleReports]

Thank you! 😄

[@sn_dc]

He wears to to the shops!

[@MisterCorback]

Hope you'll get a nice outfit too for your TOW Batrep, Phil ;-)

[@40kWARGAMERSTv]

🤫🤣🤣🤣🤣@@MisterCorback

[@mathijsdooms5158]

See never leave home without Blood knights

[@SNBattleReports]

Agreed ahaha

[@Jewus19]

31:30 looks like the knights would not hit the bloodknights with the overrun. The dogs were angled pretty well to set up that trap, while I do enjoy not being overly nitpicky, it does take away from your tactical dog positioning if you just let them have the charge anyway. Maybe I was just an unfortunate viewing angle.

[@SNBattleReports]

It’s a tough one as we do think we moved straight though but like you said on camera it looks a bit off. Prob just the angle thanks!

[@MagicAlfi]

OLD WORLD MAKES THE DREAM WORK

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks 😊

[@sn_dc]

Every time magic Alf! 🎉

[@MagicAlfi]

@@SNBattleReports small thing you cant countercharge the duke you are within his movement distance ;)

[@MarkAndTerra]

@1:33:13 Did you forget to move the Units after the combat result? Looked to me like the Men at Arms might have fled through the Knights and the Skeletons Pursue into the flank of the Knights.

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah you are correct I think

[@titiustatius7926]

ok i have to give it to him, Mr Pardo's eagle chainmail was pretty sick. my personal highlight tho, when i caught myself wondering how many 2s can a guy objectively roll in a row..stunning #DCdoingthework #somany2s

[@SNBattleReports]

😂 🙌🏽

[@fredrikstolt5510]

Love to see every knight in individual heraldic colours! The noble knights and errants should not have uniform colours, and I love the exra care and details put in to make them individuals (and still find ways to tie them together as a singular force).

[@SNBattleReports]

Thank you very much. Simon did an amazing job

[@GuCaMiniatures]

Nice report, as always. Still feel a little bit too much the introduction because the explanation of the armies seems repetitive when the deployment is explaned (saying again which unita the army have). Apart from that little thing. I love how you guys make your videos and had a lot of fun viewing all your Old world reports. ❤

[@sn_dc]

Thanks for the feedback! We typically go over the units to indicate where they are deployed, but you’re right sometimes we re-introduce them a bit too much! Probably because of the time difference from doing the intro’s to starting the game etc haha glad you enjoyed! 😊

[@SNBattleReports]

Good feedback thanks

[@newtpondskipper]

Have to ask how you made those trees?

[@SNBattleReports]

These are custom made with real branches

[@newtpondskipper]

@@SNBattleReports excellent, thank you!

[@FeliPeltier]

How complicated is this game to learn for someone coming from SW legion and song of ice & fire?

[@SNBattleReports]

It’s ok once you actually play the game about 3/4 times but definitely more intricate than the other games likes 40K

[@warpaintjj]

Great content, please keep up TOW content chaps 👏

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks! Will do!

[@airjamy]

If you want to win, you really have to be more mindful of where you put your units. Your Direwolves were a free springboard to make it easy for the knights to charge your Blood Knights.

[@SNBattleReports]

Well he did win 😂

[@carminebattista3249]

How are the view counts on these amazing old world vids ?

[@sn_dc]

The Old World is for sure our most popular videos! 😊

[@SNBattleReports]

Doubling 40K and Heresy views

[@zebposada]

are you going to create member only batreps for Ow?

[@SNBattleReports]

Yes sir!

[@KiwiOddity]

If I may please make a suggestion, use a different set of dice for combat res. To help avoid error's caculating.

[@SNBattleReports]

Hey buddy, what would the difference be with different dice?

[@KiwiOddity]

Easier to track and see and avoid's picking them up to roll by accident and then miscalculating @@SNBattleReports

[@SNBattleReports]

@@KiwiOddity but we are not rolling when calculating right?

[@KiwiOddity]

Actually DC picks up the wound dice to roll for his hits on a few occasions and Pardo reminds him of those wounds, inc those that were regen'd @@SNBattleReports

[@theeaterofpie]

You can claim a +1 combat res bonus for each unit in close order in each combat, it isn't limited to 1. You were only adding 1 when the Brets were fighting both the skeletons and blood knights. pg.153 last paragraph.

[@SNBattleReports]

Good spot thanks! Didn’t know this

[@justinbarnes8834]

combat res is done for each unit not for the fight as a whole... you then use the best res for all units involved.@@SNBattleReports

[@SNBattleReports]

@@justinbarnes8834 sorry I don’t understand this Justin. I’ve never done it like that what page is this on

[@skinniestfatman5641]

Pleaase state wot pg number that rule is on ​@@justinbarnes8834

[@coachzarou]

What exactly gives you the combo of paladin with pilgrims?

[@SNBattleReports]

With the Grail Vow makes them Immune to Psychology and Unbreakable

[@coachzarou]

Watching your new battle is like living the dream 😂❤️ Keep up the good work boys 👊🏽❤️

[@filipmanicmushroomsandrzej4073]

Isn't a Necromancer a healer who took the saying "better late than never" way too far?

[@sn_dc]

😂😂😂 so true

[@zebposada]

That luck attacking with the duke with hatred! WTH!

[@SNBattleReports]

Haha crazy

[@greystrangr]

You cannot cast hex spells into combat unless your spell says otherwise (Page 108)

[@SNBattleReports]

Did we do this?

[@greystrangr]

Pretty sure curse of years was cast on the Duke while he was in combat. Unless I just zoned out, and think that's what happened. I don't have the time stamp handy

[@guillaumedubos6596]

@@greystrangr Indeed at 58.30, duke was engaged with the skellies and was hexed by Curse of years, which is not possible.

[@blastvader]

First turn shooting; Pardo rolled a lot of dice. You can't move and volley fire per Volley Fire rules on Pg.180. I see this being done a lot, because for some reason GW tends to end with the exception rather than doing the sensible thing and leading with it and people tend not to read the whole thing and miss the exception/s. I'm guilty of this myself and once only half-read a rule for my Legio in AT that had me (inadvertently) cheat my way to 2nd place in a tournament. Did think it sounded a bit good (I did fess up to the TOs when I realised btw).

[@sn_dc]

Thanks for the pointer! Yer were all guilty of skim reading rules haha we always try our best to keep it as close to the rules as possible - never easy with a camera in hand and a bunch of armies to remember haha 😊

[@SNBattleReports]

Perfect thanks forgot about that good spot. And agreed Gw always out the important bits at the end 😆

[@tzarken6721]

You shouldn’t have counter charge against the hippo lord by the blood knights as he was within his move distance so too close.

[@SNBattleReports]

Correct!

[@andrewstorrie3707]

Arent undead unbreakable? Do they still fall back?

[@thomassaxon8254]

Pretty sure you can't take multiple spells from Lore of Undeath (it's only one you can drop from what you rolled).

[@sn_dc]

Correct but in this case I did not do that (unless you’re just making a general point and not about this game), the Necro had one lore of Undeath spell and the Vamp had one 🙂 (Hellish Vigour on the Vamp and Macabre on the Vamp) full list in the description! 👍👍

[@thomassaxon8254]

​@sn_dc ah I see. Forgot Curse of Years was no longer an Undeath spell.

[@sn_dc]

@@thomassaxon8254 don’t worry I forgot Vampires can’t cast and wear armour anymore 😂 we’re all getting to grips with the new game 😃

[@invictusmaneo4210]

Remember that the 2nd unit the over-ran should have only moved directly forward, it would have hit the skeleton boys 😮

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah we went directly forward and clipped the Dragons right?

[@invictusmaneo4210]

Probably just the camera angle I saw then 😊

[@sn_dc]

Also, so much cooler going into the Blood Knights! 🩸⚔️ haha

[@Garsty]

Everyone commenting on the rules .... Im just here for pardos costume change 😅👏👍 bravo Sir Pardo

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks! 😃

[@Kerlzzzz]

1999 was a very good year.

[@Jimmyjazz1414]

I think your channel has the best old world battle reports, at least from what i've watched so far 😅 I just wonder, why so much negativity on comments 😢 I used to play warhammer fantasy with vampire counts army a long time ago, i made a list for old world for fun VC players list has some issues with character items as others mentioned It kinda sucks you cant use lance on charging then magical weapon, didnt catch that when reading the rules Keep up the good work guys!

[@ryandoughty7671]

Can I check please. 35min 52secs. You roll a 4, so 8inch total charge. That’s a 6 block wide unit on 25mm bases. It would take 9inches just simply wheel 90degrees to face the knights. Even if you stopped short on the wheel and ‘closed the door’ with a free align, you’d not have enough to cover the distance to make contact, which looked to be 5/6inches.

[@idiotproofdalek]

He doesn’t need to wheel 90 degrees. Only enough to make contact when he goes forward. So thats maybe a couple of inches at the most.

[@idiotproofdalek]

You can’t surely think thats how the movement works? Nothing would ever get into combat!

[@ryandoughty7671]

@@idiotproofdalek rules state you measure a wheel from the outside edge / furthest point that travels. RB page 124. Hence the maths I’ve detailed out for the unit in question. Charge states you must measure and include the wheel to endeavour to bring as many models into contact. Page 126. It’s overlooked, but it’s hard to get a big wheel off and still complete a charge. Why I highlighted it. How do you think it’s meant to work? Please reference RB pages and paragraphs. Keen to see where I’m wrong. The game mechanic is designed like this to stop a full 90deg turn basically into a charge. Side on side units getting flank charges off. Also why you can’t just turn and charge.

[@ryandoughty7671]

@@idiotproofdalek again. RB page 126, wheel to endeavour to bring as many into contact. So that’s a hefty wheel still at such a steep angle, then, even with just a couple inches as you say, he’d have only brought a model or two into contact, not the whole unit as he did in the bat rep. Yes a free wheel to align, but that’s not to be used to get more in contact. That’s just to straighten up. Wheel is movement expensive. It’s an arch measurement. Do some measuring for yourself with a tray of 5 wide etc. I’ve been drawn it out on CAD to check.

[@G4uldoth]

falling back in good order doenst make you lose the blessing, its not considered fleeing

[@G4uldoth]

that includes stubborn

[@SNBattleReports]

But I did flee didn’t I?

[@jeffleong8955]

You cannot use a wizardly dispel if the wizard is in combat

[@SNBattleReports]

Correct sir

[@peters6345]

Woah Polish knight costume. Nice one Pardo 😆 now i need to be cheering for the Bretonians

[@sn_dc]

Woooo!! I didn’t know it was based off a Polish Knight, very cool 😊

[@SNBattleReports]

If someone is wearing a costume you root for them always! It’s a rule 😆

[@touchthesky632]

Kudos to the vc army from another vc army owner! 🧟

[@SNBattleReports]

🙌🏽

[@AlexAyliffe]

Yesssss

[@SNBattleReports]

🔥

[@uruk_bye1232]

For the Red Duke!

[@sn_dc]

I have that old model ❤❤

[@SNBattleReports]

🔥

[@Onk3lM0]

Are the Bretonnians immune to psychology? If not you forgot the fear tests I think. They have to take the test each round in combat, not just once.

[@SNBattleReports]

He didn’t outnumber me many times we do mention it a few times

[@sn_dc]

Fear only works when a unit is of a higher unit strength now. So you need to have 1) Fear 2) higher unit strength So they didn’t care much for my lowly skeletons haha

[@piotrskodowski7544]

Are you Polish with white eagle on red background coat of arms :)?

[@SNBattleReports]

Yes Polish armour

[@piotrskodowski7544]

Cool. I am from Poland too :).

[@maxtracker2904]

I don’t play Old World (yet), but I’m surprised you could do so well without a high lvl wizard in the list. Magic seems kinda OP in games I’ve watched.

[@SNBattleReports]

For some armies it’s stable for others it’s not

[@maxtracker2904]

Ah! Makes sense. I probably just haven’t seen enough factions yet. Thanks! Great bat rep btw 👍

[@sn_dc]

Glad you enjoyed!! 😊

[@askr6754]

The double 5s was not perils?

[@SNBattleReports]

Would be on double 6 or 1

[@sn_dc]

There is a spell or magic item that does that I think, maybe Infernal puppet from Chaos? Can’t recall 😊

[@chrislognshot]

roll to see if game goes on or someone throw in the towel or if someone get table.

[@SNBattleReports]

Wattttt?

[@MisterCorback]

Really nice batrep! I guess the canon apocalypse was thrown into the sea to cure the curse? Ps: don't use the "white flag" expressions when playing Bret please. As a French, it deeply hurts my feelings 😂

[@SNBattleReports]

Hahaha! 🏳️

[@toa9151]

Love me brettonians!

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks 🙏🏽

[@nemo-no-name]

If you have a magical weapon, you ca never choose to use a mundane one - meaning that if you buy a magic weapon, you cannot start the fight with a mundane lance. Page 338 for magic weapons, though the lance rules also specify you must use a hand weapon after first turn, not just any other weapon :)

[@SNBattleReports]

They are both magical weapons though

[@nemo-no-name]

@@SNBattleReports oooh, I misunderstood. Carry on :D

[@pottsworth13]

You have to use the same weapon throughout the whole combat, the exception is that lances say you switch to hand weapon after the first turn. So you'd have to choose to not use the lance first turn if you want to use another weapon at all in the combat.@@nemo-no-name @snBattleReports I'm also dubious to taking two magic weapons

[@sn_dc]

Interesting point but I came across the fact you can take ‘very common’ magic items in the same category, as it’s a magically lance that states you can only use it in the first turn, stands to reason you then use your next weapon

[@nemo-no-name]

@@sn_dc If you had two magical weapons, you can pick which one to use. That said, I don't think this is a very important rule point, I say go for funnest approach. I just pointed it out because I thought you took regular Lance and magical weapon.

[@Spandau-Filet]

Eff Yes!

[@SNBattleReports]

🔥

[@indonesiaops7276]

Can’t counter-charge when the enemy is close

[@SNBattleReports]

Correct only within a certain range

[@TheYoda23]

Best garb ever.

[@SNBattleReports]

Whats Garb?

[@TheYoda23]

@@SNBattleReports it is clothing or a outfit . The Armour was op .

[@GilthosDrakoniss]

👍👍

[@sn_dc]

❤👍👍

[@SNBattleReports]

♥️

[@goth84]

Love to see VCs! Remember that Wizards cant cast spells if the wear armour :)

[@sn_dc]

You’re right there, why did I think he could? They used to be able to in previous editions right 😅

[@masterwesty]

@@sn_dcold editions vampires were an exception to the rule.

[@SNBattleReports]

Does this mean…. 😯

[@simoneengelleitner947]

You cant dispel while in combat

[@SNBattleReports]

You sure I didn’t use a free dispell? If not sorry

[@johnnnysaint01]

I see Bretonnia I click

[@sn_dc]

For the Lady!

[@SNBattleReports]

Simple isn’t it! 🔥

[@Chris_da_Waaagh]

Comment of cassandora

[@SNBattleReports]

Save the Trees!

[@sn_dc]

You’re next Chris 🩸⚔️

[@JohnPC00]

Dukes have WS 7, so that challenge would have ended a little differently.

[@sn_dc]

Correct they do! But he also had Curse of Years on him for -1 to his WS 👍

[@SNBattleReports]

Exactly

[@JohnPC00]

@@sn_dc Ah, that makes sense.

[@josephmakarov6908]

Who da Bear 🐻? 😂

[@SNBattleReports]

Winnie the Poohs cousin Tinnie the Poo