KingSong S22 Pro EUC Teardown - What's been upgraded?

[@liamchisholm]

You missed a major detail, the motor stator and rotor are 3mm wider. This gives it more power since the magnets and copper windings are larger than the OG S22

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

boom!

[@jeffreytong]

Would also really reinforce the need to waterproof it. Similar design and gaps to my S18 Molicel and just one season of riding without worrying about rain and the insides of the motor were all rusted up. I was able to sand it all down and upgrade to SKF bearings but wish I had done so from day one.

[@AvecPasdMains]

Pre-velcroed eucs, this is the future!!! ❤️❤️❤️

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

I'm here for it!

[@Electric_roller]

Reminds me of the 80's and 90's of the automotive industry: crude, searching for its path, haphazard. We are in that time frame re: wheels. Thanks for the vid.

[@cascade5682]

Looking at the coil windings enamel coating, it looks not to be a very tight wind (7:32). A lot of bunched together wire going on there. The bunched together wire tends to be looser than the wire that originates at the inner coil form and can mechanically shake as the wheel spins depending on temperatures. The magnetic conduction of each coil can also make windings move unless they're first tightly wound and then sealed with a good sealant. This means machine wound coils only. They need to be perfect in their electrical and mechanical specifications. Burned mosfets and road rashed riders is no way to discover a factory defect with enameled wire that is allowed to rub against another because it's loosely wound. A tighter wind gives the coil a higher q-factor plus the better coil makes less heat and makes for a higher efficiency.

[@GingerOnWheels]

Well, how nice of them! Kingsong finally decided to release a wheel that included all of the 3rd party fixes that had been done to the original. I've heard it's the jump wheel to end all jump wheels, but time will tell.

[@Nautical33]

There maybe some hope of receiving our batch. Its been nearly a year from when we ordered from kingsong!! A bunch of tossers, 50 grand down and false promises.. Great wheel products but bloody shite company!! Let's see if we get our wheels soon ?????????

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

Ya heard right SON

[@YourAubsome]

@7:40 they didn't change the controller. The new motor has wider magnets (new stator is 33mm vs 29.5mm) - see the ecodrift teardown for pictures. I have the new motor in my S22; it has far more low speed torque than the old motor and I'm using the original S22 controller (only the motor was upgraded). The new motor is also heavier, has a lower freespin speed, and it doesn't have overheating issues like the original motor.

[@eminyildirim89]

You mean new version torque or weaker?

[@YourAubsome]

@@eminyildirim89 the new motor has more torque

[@eminyildirim89]

@@YourAubsome ty cutie im fan of you

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

Thanks, Aub. A few people have mentioned that we missed this. Thanks for keeping us on our feet!

[@Alex-tl7zb]

I had a chance to try the S22 Pro ... unless you know your OG S22 really well you won't be able to notice much difference in performance. It feels very similar to me with the S22P slightly more power. I agree it should be just a S22 '23 rather than a "Pro"...

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

I found it has a lot more gas going up long steep mountains, but can't notice it much on a flatish road. Either way, I'm very pleased with it!

[@redfoxdude]

The S22 Pro motor has a wider stator and magnets, 33mm vs 30mm.

[@MC-qj2zd]

Would that make it a C33 motor?

[@ullle66]

Finally someone said it…..Big plus!

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

Always gonna miss something! Thanks for the info!

[@redfoxdude]

Of course! I'm not sure how much more torque there is, but it runs cooler, too.

[@hatemale1609]

Thanks for the info @Vincent 👍

[@dirt.surfer]

Man I thought Lucas would have front and center on this he loves the eagle. Thanks for the teardown as always gents, not much here. I agree with it getting a plus rather then a pro identity, but honestly this should have been initial release imo.

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

Hahaha I was watching closely with a tear in my eye as they disassembled my beloved Shoshanna (That's my S22 Pro's name) - Agree with you on the naming, kind of? Also agree they should have put it out first batch like this, but hey! Here we are!

[@dirt.surfer]

@lukastanasiuk5722 lol Shoshanna 😆. Literally just got off the phone with Nikki, your freaking me out 😆

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

@@dirt.surfer AU REVOIR SHOSHANNNNAAAA

[@dirt.surfer]

@lukastanasiuk5722 I put some thought into this, I knew something was missing. So I decided to name my s22 as well. I wanted a strong female name, one that often shows ill temperment and authority. I went with Karen. 😆 🤣

[@natureboytarifaspain8130]

Try the patton....you throw away your kingsong...

[@Crab_EUC]

Loving my ewheels pro, huge peace of mind with the 40t battery packs.

[@cartier13]

I have one on pre-order from you guys now! Praying for no motor issues this time!

[@grzib]

Anny issues ?

[@Roskellan]

I do the velcro myself and it's not "janky", what a cheek 🙂. Good video guys, just your velcro skills in question 🙂 I have the S18 love that wheel.

[@CartoonWeasel]

Velcro comes like that on the s22 pro from factory. Not from eevee

[@michaeldavidson3349]

I was hoping to hear more about the sealant used on the motor phase wires as they enter the motor. This same sealant holds the hall and temp sensors. EcoDrift found it to be hard, crumbly, and not well suited to keeping moisture out of the motor. During your teardown, did you observe the sealant? Do you think it will hold up over time?

[@rogerunderhill4267]

it would be nice to know the temperature performance of the sealant

[@DonovanWert]

Awesome 😎 thanks brothers!! 🙏

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

Thanks Donovan! Enjoy your new Sherman S!

[@Highvoltagedelivery]

Should of weighed both motors to see if there was actually any difference between them

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

100% it's heavier, but yes we should/could have done that! Thanks for the suggestion!

[@Minusthepain1]

Interesting sliders

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

Muy muy interesante

[@machyne82]

The bearings on these new motors are making squeaking noises. Known issue, Jason at Ewheels had me put PTFE lube in the seals. Noise came back within 100 miles

[@irhuz8683]

Yeah. I noticed mine is squeaking too. Will it just stay squeaking?

[@machyne82]

@@irhuz8683 I would enjoy it and just ride it. It’s squeaking because it’s so tightly sealed. I damaged my seal trying to spray dry lube in there. It’s a waste of time. It will brake in. It won’t go away completely though

[@irhuz8683]

@@machyne82 how do you mean by tightly sealed?

[@machyne82]

@@irhuz8683 the original S22 motor just had a dust seal on that is in the bearing. The pro has another seal over top of that. It’s very tight around the axle and it is dry. So it squeaks, you can get some dry PTFE lube in there. It will go away, but you’re likely to damage the seal digging around in it. Just go ride your wheel.

[@SolarizeYourLife]

I just looked at your slide kit... Why in the world does the post to the rollers have a hole in it that doesn't look as solid as it could be!!! 🤔 You don't show screws on your website...

[@CartoonWeasel]

I plan on buying my first wheel from you guys since im in canada and was wondering if this s22 pro would be a good first wheel? (The gold and black edition really tickles my fancy). Was originally going for the v12 ht but seeing theres still cut offs, its the last thing i want to happen to the noob i am. V12 ht was in my budget. Now looking at the either s22 pro or the shermax. 22 pro is 10lbs less which is good since i plan on going to work (once i learn well enought) with it and must lift it into my truck a couple times a day. The shermax seems nice, the reputation of them is what put it on my list. Both s22 pro and shermax are beyond budget however i dont want a wheel I'll have to upgrade within a month. (Did that with eboards and spent way too much in 1 summer for nothing)

[@eevees]

We have had a ton of people get the S22 Pro as their first wheel. It would be a great first wheel that you can grow into. However, the gold won’t last long if this is the wheel that you’ll be learning on. It’ll get beat up for sure.

[@saltlife316]

When's is the review coming, debating between this and patton

[@eevees]

Coming within the next 3 weeks hopefully. We've got lots in the pipeline.

[@saltlife316]

@@eevees ahh your killing me

[@redangel7638]

This or Patton would be a good comparison! I also want to know the answer ! I like the look of the s22 more though.

[@saltlife316]

@@redangel7638 looks and suspension, i think the s22 is harder to break on jup where the patton harder to break on a fall, the patton also is faster...interested in how the race test goes to the s22 pro. also just want to see what a patton can jump, im leaning s22 for the sake of its i do 60% offroad. i still havent decided myself, i just wish the s22 went a tiny bit faster

[@mixstc]

Super nice

[@percialcarreon]

I want one!

[@Onelastrun]

Aye. Good video. Yall good peoples. I would purchase from yall if yall shipping to the u.s. yet. I Like yalls transparency and dedication. Watching yalls videos feel like the retailers are friends. As I know nothing about engineering, I can't quite comment on the build. But still a very enjoyable channel!

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

we ARE shipping to the US now! free shipping on all wheels and have 2 US service partners set up so you dont need to ship back up North for fixes :)

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

and thank you for the kind words! :)

[@Onelastrun]

@Lukas Tanasiuk excellent! T4 is what I'm looking at! Can't wait!

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

@@Onelastrun love it! we got you covered man!

[@PulpitFriendship]

If my wheel goes down I'd never be able to fix it or change out the parts. No one has these type wheels here where I am...

[@416-Toronto]

♥♥♥ eeevee's ♥♥♥

[@frankvaguener6444]

I thought that mosfet were changed... but it's same...

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

I believe they are indeed improved, but I was sitting on a lawn chair out of frame drinking some BANG energy, so I wouldn't know.

[@tiaguerra7002]

If I buy a s22pro wit y'all will u fix it for me?I send to u.

[@CartoonWeasel]

Yes they fix them or can send parts if you can fix it yourself

[@arthurrobey4945]

I need cosmetic scratch repair paint.

[@HungrySpinz]

What about the crappy screws? I grabbed onto one with a pliers because I've stripped the one that passes through lift handle and suspension and the the screw dented so easily how are these companies still using shitty ass screws?

[@KypHeM]

plastic sliders are not going to last that long

[@skiddysm]

The seat velcro not a big deal because the seat is dog

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

Hey I love the seat!

[@CartoonWeasel]

I like cats

[@kmg501]

Poor audio, there is fuzz on it.

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

Be kind to us :/ we're doing our best! :P Hope you enjoyed the rest of the vid!

[@pupkin24]

S22pro bigger motor.

[@natureboytarifaspain8130]

The mistake i made to buy a kingsong‼️aftersale warrenty my ass‼️

[@gerasimosegglezos2499]

The Eco drift presentation is the one that tells the truth, you are talking nonsense

[@hatemale1609]

Are the magnets wider on the new motor? Thanks for the video guys 👍

[@laurv8370]

Geezzzz, couldn't you compare S22 series with some Android phone? Yuck, iPhone 13,14? Now I will never get any S2x, Pro or not Pro... 😛

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

Honestly as someone who has ridden about 500+ KM's on the S22 Pro, I think it's a great step forward for the S22. Always room to improve from here, I'd like the option for an even chonkier spring for big bois like me... but the Pro has furthered my belief that this is the best wheel ever made (for what I'm into) :)

[@laurv8370]

@@lukastanasiuk5722 I never had an S22, or its relatives, so I can not comment. You may be totally right. My post was about iPhones... :D (edit: also "big boy", in both volume and age, about 6k km on RS-HS, 2k+ km on Master Pro, and ~800 km on V8F, owning all these, having a V13 on order, and occasionally riding other wheels from fellow riders, like V11, KS 18, KS16X, a Sherman, and couple of Daibots, etc, which at the time I didn't like any of them including the Sherman, it was "too heavy" compared to my RS, and not a lot beefier or more stable - who would guess the 53 kg Master Pro would ever come? hahaha... The KS wheels had too much dip for my taste, I felt like falling on a side every time I turned, compared with the RS. In fact, the only thing I really like about older KS wheels, is their handle - the diagonal one, it is perfect. I thought for a while to get the 24 inch Monster Pro, but the new wave of wheels, with suspension and all, saved me)

[@curtflirt2]

Kingsong as a company because of this ONE stupid wheel has absolutely lower themselves as a honest and trustworthy company. Ridiculous!! Their ignorance for this one wheel is beyond understanding. Still to this very day, this wheel is still cheaply made and isn't worth buying. THEN You give it a 4000 Watt motor and keep the battery the same??? What sense does that make?

[@VECTOR_Coasters]

just thought i would mention that the s22 pro just might be the best all around wheel so i wouldn’t be saying that about them lol

[@ullle66]

hmmm….i own a S22, and owned the competing wheels. MY take would be, the competitors wheels are cheaply made, and not the S22. The 4000W just makes a battery difference on crazy accelerations on stop and go driving, as normal cruising is on the 400-600W side and even high speed driving isnt using more than 1500 or so…… This crazy motor Watt numbers are anyway more a promotional thing for all brands, thats at least my take on it.

[@lukastanasiuk5722]

S22 Pro is the best EUC ever made IMO ;)

[@milordas]

actualy motor uses power as many as it requires, if it requires 500w then ofc it wont use all 4kW, you'll notice it only on torque. And btw theres no motor Wattage, but torque, wattage = controller and battery output only, motor will give as many as you need!