Kirk Windstein (Crowbar) Fan First: How Pantera Saved 90s Metal, Type O Negative, Down & More

Kirk Windstein of Crowbar explores his long history as a music fan that grew up in the Golden Age of rock & roll. He goes deep on his relationship with Pantera - including his bond with Dimebag Darrell - and why they were the most significant heavy-metal band of the Nineties. He also details his passion for Type O Negative and his first favorite artist: Elton John. The interview features a detailed exploration of his musical story and Down’s origins, his thoughts on the mean streets of New Orleans plus details on forthcoming music, which will include a new Crowbar record, a new solo album and a Down record of “reimagined” covers.
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CONTENT GUIDE:
00:00 Introduction
00:18 The first artist he put on a pedestal
02:04 KISS & Ace Frehley
06:56 Being 15 in 1980 & the musical landscape
12:47 F**k, Marry, Kill - blues, punk rock, metal
14:01 Black Sabbath & touring with Heaven and Hell
17:06 Pantera & his relationship with Dimebag
26:27 New Orleans
33:49 Type O Negative
38:32 History as a guitar player
42:56 The long hard journey to living as a musician & Down’s impact
47:33 19 records down, his solo material & what’s next
52:48 Down’s history & what they love the most
56:54 Down’s new music: a reimagined covers record
59:36 Crowbar’s “Dreamweaver” cover
01:01:15 Musical Mount Rushmore
01:03:09 The Golden Age of rock and roll
01:06:04 Soundtrack to first love and heartbreak
01:06:39 Five Songs That Changed Your Life
01:07:59 Falling in love with hardcore
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CONTENT GUIDE & LISTEN LINKS: Spotify: spoti.fi/2TzldGO Apple Podcasts: apple.co/3x0vxFH 00:00 Introduction 00:18 The first artist he put on a pedestal 02:04 KISS & Ace Frehley 06:56 Being 15 in 1980 & the musical landscape 12:47 F**k, Marry, Kill - blues, punk rock, metal 14:01 Black Sabbath & touring with Heaven and Hell 17:06 Pantera & his relationship with Dimebag 26:27 New Orleans 33:49 Type O Negative 38:32 History as a guitar player 42:56 The long hard journey to living as a musician & Down’s impact 47:33 19 records down, his solo material & what’s next 52:48 Down’s history & what they love the most 56:54 Down’s new music: a reimagined covers record 59:36 Crowbar’s “Dreamweaver” cover 01:01:15 Musical Mount Rushmore 01:03:09 The Golden Age of rock and roll 01:06:04 Soundtrack to first love and heartbreak 01:06:39 Five Songs That Changed Your Life 01:07:59 Falling in love with hardcore

[@Crowbar11115]

I feel so blessed that I've seen Pantera, Crowbar and Type O Negative live!

[@groves5544]

Kirk is a Man of the metalhead, playing with the biggest bands to thousands of people, to a shithole in Dayton Ohio taking pictures and talking to everyone in the venue!! 1000% genuine and awesome.

[@supremelordoftheuniverse5449]

Met him in Hamburg, super down to earth sweet guy

[@Crowbar11115]

Met him in Columbus. Such a great dude!

[@rickgriego2844]

Exactly bro.well said.Genuine.All them southern dudes in that circle are..Crowbar..Down..COC..PANTERA..Eyehategod.Their true Heavy rockers man.Tough.and they've always remained fans.ask anyone of em their to this day still about the KISS,The Priest,The Van Galen.that's a fact.their humble dudes.street level.that's why the fans would die for these bands..

[@alexmatthews2332]

I just saw them in grand rapids at the Pyramid scheme. This place was no bigger than a large classroom it was awesome. Surprised the building could hold up to the sonic excess!

[@AaronScutt]

I love that Kirk Loves Type O...hand tattoo to match. They were such an incredible band! RIP Pete

[@kentdahl6941]

Amen.. type o will be missed

[@louiselockett2905]

@@kentdahl6941 I have type o negative's live dvd symphony for the devil. If you are ever in need of a type o pick me up you should watch it with the band members doing their commentary during the concert. It is so hilarious I don't know where to begin.

[@blackenedheart9592]

Definitely! Type O will always be my favorite band! 🤘🤘💚🖤💚🖤

[@bsobocan]

Also Carnivore

[@kentdahl6941]

Absolutely

[@cloudbloom]

Type O Negative is my favorite band of all time it's great hearing him talk about em

[@jackshittle]

Type O Negative tattoo - highly impressed.

[@adamturner1563]

3 of the most greatest Bands that ever was. Pantera, Crowbar, and the Type O Boys. ☝️

[@sudsysutherland359]

I seen Pantera & Type O at the state fair grounds in Detroit in 95, awesome show!

[@adamturner1563]

I'm green with envy at the moment lol. Very jealous indeed. I was 5 years old then. I haven't long watched Anselmo with the illegals tho. I loved it. Religious experience !

[@natureiscool4364]

I had the luck to see Kirk with Down about 15 years ago, along with Phil, Pepper, Rex and Jimmy. Best metal concert I ever witnessed.

[@GetzGoth]

Interesting that Jerry Cantrell of AIC and Kenny Hickey from Type O each listed Elton John as being among their earliest influences as well as one of their favorite musicians. Love Type O! Awesome interview and video here! Thanks for posting this!

[@Mickey.SilverStaXXX]

Crowbar is my all time favorite band and this was a great interview. I've been lucky enough to have met Kirk and the band several times over the years and gotten some cool collectables like a stage set list, signed pictures and posters, picks, etc. I was Crowbar Heavyweight Support Team member #126 back in the early 90s. I saw them in Minneapolis one time and the drummer at the time, Tony Costanza, hadn't shown up yet for sound check (he might have gotten in jail at the previous show, if memory serves) so I played drums (badly) for the sound check which was really cool. I bought a Fender Strat from Kirk one time too. Ex-bassist Jeff Golden designed my band's logo. and Matt Brunson helped me set up my current guitar rig via email. I haven't met Shane yet, but they're always super nice guys in person!

[@clintoncox5917]

Kirk is such an AWESOME human being! He is my favorite living 'Rockstar', (only Dime is above for me RIP). Love em both forever! I'm so pissed I missed Crowbar last November (back issues), but my bandmates went and said it was awesome (ass per usual 😉). LONG LIVE #RiffLordKirk ❤️

[@erictallant4965]

Christina does a well informed interview with Kirk. Kirk is definitely showing more modesty in his age, but it’s good to see that Crowbar lives on, and is still laying the smack down.

[@20thCenturyPox]

27:02 this is so obviously a compliment. The writer was not being rude, the writer was praising New Orleans and pointing out that America doesn't realise how lucky it is to have her.

[@louiselockett2905]

I first saw crowbar back in 94 with souls at zero aka wrathchild america. They played in Oklahoma City and he was saying they were from New Orleans. I met Kirk after the show and he was so cool to talk. Real down to earth and then I started picking at him that fat city isn't really New Orleans. He never got rattled and listening to him today he is still the same person I met 25 yrs ago. I love his music. Crowbar, Down, Kingdom of Sorrow, etc. He should write a book.

[@ZakkiLowe]

I love that both Kirk and Tomas Haake on the most recent video say they listen to CDs. They don't have music on their phones. Haha. Me too. We're old.

[@elduce7166]

Both men are musical gods!

[@jasondesselles9168]

My band used to practice in the same building as Crowbar. Twice. Once in New Orleans, once in Metairie. We used to hang out and drink with Kirk, Tommy and Matt all the time at the bar across the street.

[@rilianriggs4620]

Me too Kirk. My first LP was Elton John "Don't Shoot Me" I loved EJ. I saw you guys open up for White Zombie and Pantera at the Hollywood Paladium! Best gig ever! Thanks for the memories

[@leeroden7900]

Kirk is the man. Catching Down when they finally came back and did their first tour of Europe is still one of the all time highlights of my concert going life. Seeing them a couple years later after Over the Under is another. Everyone knows he's a great rhythm player but as a lead player way underrated, and also has a much wider vocal range than most people realise

[@AmericanVetMusic]

It’s awesome to hear someone else who talks like me. We have the same language. We’re both from the South and I swear those wetlands and farmlands write the music of our soul.

[@supremelordoftheuniverse5449]

Love this man and his music. Met him in Hamburg couple years ago, just a down to earth sweet guy. Thanks Kirk!

[@RaspySquares]

Pantera and Type O tour would have been amazing to see. I miss goin to see Down.

[@clintoncox5917]

Unfortunately, I never got to see Type O, but I have seen Pantera, Down and Crowbar 💪🏻! I saw Pantera once: Feb 2001 @ Grand Rapids Michigan and it was BY FAR the best concert experience I ever had. I was barely 18 and got in the pit with these MONSTERS and mixed it up... It was surreal. Nobody comes close. Down and Crowbar are #2 or #3 in either order for me... You could toss in COC too @ 4th for me. Somehow I've never seen Eyehategod, but I REALLY want to; I love Jimmy and ALL the boys! Keeping real OG metal alive 💪🏻

[@saltpeter7429]

I saw Pantera and Type O. It was great, as you can imagine. Peter was drinking from a bottle and Phil came out on stage with them, Phil kept reaching for the bottle and Peter comically said "wants everything, this kid." He hands Phil the bottle which to all of us looked like a normal beer bottle, when Phil has it in hand you could see it was a LARGE bottle of wine! Lol. Peter was a massive dude, personality, humor, talent. A hero. All of em. The 90's metal was fun, I didnt know during it that I would look back with such fond feelings. Such is life.

[@clintoncox5917]

@@saltpeter7429 great story! Dime was the fuckin coolest ever! I'm SOOOO lucky I got to see them at least once! My Crowbar shows have always been super memorable. A couple years back, Crowbar rolled into a smaller club in Lansing and CRUSHED IT!! It was so cool getting to see my hero perform so close! Kirk is my current fav metal god, #NoneHeavier #RiffLord. Those guys inspired me to be the local musician I am ❤️. Seriously, being turned onto Pantera and Down and Crowbar and COC and Eyehategod, then seeing them live at a younger age changed me forever. Saw em all pretty early on in my musical journey, and they have shaped my perception of what music can be. #Cheers #GetchaPull 💪🏻

[@saltpeter7429]

@@clintoncox5917 that is a powerful testimony! I'm somewhat new to Crowbar. Sure, I'd heard of em, seen a few video's etc, but never checked out a whole CD. Great stuff. Kirk is a fun interviewee and a GREAT guitarist. I'm old and a DAD now, but if I ever get the chance, I'll take your advice and go see em!

[@clintoncox5917]

@@saltpeter7429 start with TIME HEALS NOTHING, that's my fav Crowbar Album 💪

[@TheATLAS86]

Lived next door to Kirk in New Orleans. Straight up great guy.

[@joescemo1137]

Kirk is the real deal! The new album was a banger🤘🏼 Great interview! And Christina, you are so beautiful!

[@Lynchpin2010]

Kirk is such a good dude. Great interview and can't wait to see Crowbar in Toronto

[@Federico.el.Noruego]

Have seen Kirk three times live two with Down and one on his Birthday April 14 2018 in Oslo Norway in a small club Took a pic with my wife and him and talked to his wife at the merch booth.He kicks ass🤘🏽Great interviews🤘🏽

[@xouat]

Thanks for this interview. Was lucky to see Crowbar play at Roadburn years ago and they were massive. Legends.

[@christopherk111]

once again,and as always,,you seem to have the magic to bring out more than the story behind not only the music...but the personal connections and stories,,the friendships,,Christina ,,,,,you are the best at your craft...the BEST..thank you

[@Grimeyhoob]

I love this show. Such an excellent and charming host. Very insightful and deep while keeping the atmosphere very relaxed and collegiate.

[@lucaserojas]

That's the correct green 👀

[@nebo1186]

dude when i saw your hulk in pantera home video i died

[@jamesennis8837]

These fan first are my favorite thing revolver have done in years love it. Cool when they show there collections like john5 did that was good way to go. Like to see other people collections

[@yruphuct2]

The Riff Lord is #1 on my Mt Rushmore. Been my favorite band since Obedience. Still looking for a Obedience back patch.. that is "my agony".. lol. Great interview, thanks for all the years of solid metal \m/ cheers

[@fatsuperfly]

Kirk!! Love that man

[@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle]

I like how the segments are highlighted in the description

[@RichardEBurchSr.]

Kirk Rocks... Talented musician . Met him before at Crowbar shows .. Really cool person.

[@keithaustinragsdale8182]

Hell yeah dude, I remember seeing Crowbar open up for Pantera at the Wallace Civic Center in Fitchburg Massachusetts back in the day. Still haven't seen pits like that since. The entire floor was literally a constant ocean of mosh. Especially when Phil & the boys hit the stage, haha. Those were the freakin days dude🤘

[@dimebagdave77]

Kirk/Revolver, always a pleasure to see both of you🔥👍

[@monkeytailhock2295]

I saw Crowbar in a tiny club Gussie L'Amours in Oahu on an incredibly small stage low to the ground. Msrch 3, 2000 if I'm correct. Amazing to see Crowbar in that context.

[@faust8569]

Awesome podcast good conversation memory lane intersection nostalgic 😈🤘I'll keep tuning in Rock on CHEERS

[@serart41]

Met Kirk twice first at the whiskey Hollywood CA second new Brooklyn tavern Columbia SC Awsome dude.

[@sudsysutherland359]

Great interview love Kirk & Type O

[@acecommander1]

Great interview and great energy!

[@her0de84]

Amazing Interview.......Frank Casey Original drummer for 'WInter' and "I4NI" great friend of mine...He still has the drums he used with 'Winter" on "INTO DARKNESS" album and "I4NI"....

[@RocksNRuts4]

kirk is the man! cool dude, n riff master!!

[@skipnasty8057]

Kirk is a really nice guy in person Crowbar fan for twenty some years now!

[@softail1977]

First off, the music is why we're watching this! However, I'm new to growing a beard and Kirk's has been enviable, but in this video is seems his beard is a silent entity in and of itself for the interview....I love it!

[@triple6wolfi]

He's an awesome dude, I wish there was a way I could jam out with him. Hope him and his family is doing well!

[@graylad]

I think I could hear Ace barking out side on the TV. At first l thought that it was one of my Dobes lol "Planets Collide", in my opinion has one of the most iconic guitar riffs of all time. Re. Peter Steele.... I had the privilege of knowing him and being known by him. Even if on a casual level. He was a good guy. Love your tat. Take it easy Kirk. You always give a great interview. 🤙

[@CodenameCuervo]

Crowbar 🤪🤘

[@rooster_205]

Such a cool guy. Great interview!

[@Jazzman2112op]

Second solo record 🤯🤘🤘

[@dirtybeard70_Alivein85]

Kirk is a Tru Legend.

[@TBone2000Man]

Great interview super nice guy crowbar rules

[@AB-iw9gr]

Goddamn i love you bro..the older i get i find myself listening to that shit..I'm 55now.it's like catching up with with the shit that was in the background but still catchy but you didn't want to admit to listening to.

[@SonicSoundofDoom]

Absolutely love Kirk.

[@ZakkiLowe]

Kirk just loves music. I think he loves music in general more than anyone on the planet.

[@89gt5.0]

First Seen Crowbar open for Pantera and Corrosion off Conformity New Year’s Eve 95 at Tarrant county convention center.

[@matforsbon]

Great show I fully enjoyed it. With soon to have a SOLAR signature guitar, Mr riffness himself.

[@rik3653]

Kirk is great, never deny your roots

[@augranowhere2490]

Live Evil was the first metal record I bought at a used record shop!

[@danlord7717]

My Down covers album wish list Free Country - Witchfinder General Sweet Freedom - Uriah Heep Livin in a Ram’s Head - Pentagram Waiting for an Alibi - Thin Lizzy Pictured Life - Scorpions Rock Bottom - UFO

[@devilred1971]

Seen Crowbar before they were Crowbar as the Slugs along with Exhorder and Sedition, i believe at storyville jazz hall in New Orleans where I’m from

[@refusedone]

Why no mention of the hosts name? I’ve seen her before, really great job.

[@crazycatman5928]

November 27th 1992 New Orleans municipal auditorium. I was 17. Seen pantera and crowbar opened for them. Heavy concert scary night. We got lost leaving New Orleans. Ended up in wrong part of town. Got mugged by 15 urban thugs. Had gun put up to my head. They robbed me for 2 dollars lol. I’ll never forget that night.

[@mushroomleg]

“15 urban thugs”. Very diplomatic way to put it. Lol.

[@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle]

Down underappreciated band, look forward to seeing them. Pepper Kennan..

[@danpugh4739]

Kirk is such a down to earth cool dude love um

[@Badeau68]

YES he is a Great person and wonderful talent

[@bobleglob162]

good interviewer.

[@brianmcg.8260]

Kirk Windstein is a Spiritual Warrior who will have an Epic Legacy. God has big plans for Mr. Windstein. If he chooses to accept his purpose in this world.

[@kylegroover1655]

Hell yeah brother 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@terriblecertainity]

I will never understand why people think that metal needed saving in the 90's. Especially in terms of creativity, metal was far more alive back then than today

[@terriblecertainity]

@@obzen82 why would you need to do that? Let's say it's 1992...metal was VERY alive

[@neuroisis85]

When people say that I assume they mean mainstream metal. But no ever qualifies it that way, so they paint a picture that metal was dead in the 90's when that was so far from the truth it's ridiculous.

[@terriblecertainity]

@@neuroisis85 and even in mainstream, metal was huge. Pantera, korn, deftones etc etc, the popularity of death metal and so on. All that "died" was traditional metal. Which, after 2 decades, is to be expected

[@oaktreeleatherworks]

Modern music will remain boring until recordings go back a few steps. When we had to play the song all the way through and editing was cutting tape or recording it right. Modern editing and click tracks take away spirit. Perfect timing and no "mistakes" kill the feel.

[@merrimackvalleyblackdog45]

Nicest guy in the world right here.

[@grandspringdale1564]

That beard of doom gets more and more glorious every year🙏

[@HaXaW5150]

I don't know how to load music on my phone either. I'm so old. ; )*

[@ryangunwitch-black]

I’m amused Kirk is like “We don’t go to the French Quarter after dark!” And wasn’t feeling the quote. It’s entirely endearing.

[@brandonbailey8318]

🤘🤘

[@gymonstarfunkle136]

Has Christina always worked for Revolver and "The Void" was a side thing or is this a new gig? Either way excited!

[@selmics]

I have a feeling one of the Down cover songs might be Bridge of Sighs by Robin Trower. You heard it here first

[@moonpeach4684]

🙏

[@michaelsmyth3935]

12:00 seeing Cheap Trick in 1978. Ka-Pow.

[@tsalagi78]

🤘🏽🤘🏽

[@Andreas_metal]

Kirk "the endless beard" Windstein

[@louiselockett2905]

AKA The Beard of Doom.

[@cecilhunter5228]

Kirks voice is drop tuned 😆

[@GoldTop57]

Kirk has the classic New Orleans accent. Sounds like all my relatives. I’m from there, but the accent didn’t stick for me.

[@danielrodger6016]

Kirk looks a little like a comedic father xmas here with lights behind him haha but he is very intelligent and surprisingly good to listen to

[@Turok1134]

Ayo we need a new Kingdom of Sorrow album.

[@Nantosuelta]

I still believe Kirk Windstein is secretly a dwarf from middle earth

[@jtlemay4878]

I also keep my radio on 80s pop haha

[@Knome-Ansland]

Seems like the kind of guy you'd like to have a beer with, Hangout, and maybe throw down on a jam or two.

[@jeremynelson5311]

He is definitely that dude. I've had a beer with him, he's awesome

[@baloothepibble8421]

Jerry Cantrell loves Elton John as well. Must be something to it!

[@jeremynelson5311]

Jerry can do no wrong

[@cloudbloom]

At 34:42 he might be referring to when before they were type o, Pete's band was called Carnivore

[@humbug4478]

He knows ! He said Carnivore retaliation

[@richl1860]

Type O Negative were previously named Subzero

[@cloudbloom]

@@richl1860 ah that's right I can't believe I forgot about that thanks. Was the order like this: Carnivore-->Subzero-->Type O? Or did Subzero predate Carnivore?

[@negative1310]

Peter was the only member of Type o that was in carnivore. They tried going by repulsion but it was already taken then subzero but already taken. Im glad they chose type o negative for their name cause it's perfect and I couldn't see a better name for them. Type o Negative is my favorite band of all time...forever negative

[@saltpeter7429]

I remember a kid from high school playing me a " tape" of a metal band that he liked to go see, they were called SubZero. He was from up in Burlington VT, a college town, so they got a lot of cool underground metal bands coming through. The Subzero I heard was unrelated to Type O. He was into another band from that time that was Rad as hell called Sam Black Church. Dont know if anybody out here on the interwebs remembers them? Cool stuff. A lot of great bands floating around above and below the surface.

[@benwil1715]

💚🤗

[@absenceovmeasurablefrequen1709]

Personally, I've never understood the mass appeal of KISS, but I'm glad they left such an indelible impression on most of my favorite musicians.

[@sadboi7537]

Hopefully the new Crowbar album crushes. I think it will…

[@tedboom9550]

Right on BTO... Imagine Kirk rockin to that LP like Homer did in the Simpsons ahahahah

[@AllCarsUnited]

Is that his wife in the background? Like for real shuuuuuttt up 😂😂😂

[@integrity101]

If you wouldve told me back in 2007 when OVER THE UNDER came out that Down wpuld only write 12 songs over the next 15 years i wouldve said "youre crazy!" That'll never happen. More DOWN please!!

[@samuelgonzalez4035]

I always enjoyed crowbar on beavis and butthead

[@infliktedeuphoria9679]

I love New Orleans from Florida and I’m back home now,but New Orleans is great not a city like it that’s for sure, it’s like a different country🤣🤘🤘

[@graylad]

Sub Zero. But it was taken so they already had the logo so they changed the name to Type O Negative.

[@YesOkayButWhy]

Or maybe when they were Repulsion.