The Disappointing & Forgotten Sonic Series

[@Sonic_The_Hedgedog_Reddit]

*I love how having no other playable character other than Sonic was a selling point in 2010.*

[@boombob3D]

Man thank God I can't play as Knuckles this game Would have been terrible if i could

[@yourehereforthatarentyou]

@@boombob3Di hate playing as my least favorite character metal sonic what’s that? what do you mean he’s only playable in spin-offs and side modes? i’m not supposed to think about that or else i’ll cry myself to sleep

[@Sonic_The_Hedgedog_Reddit]

@@boombob3D People used to hate Sonic's friends back then. The 2010s were dark times.

[@Orange_Swirl]

​@@Sonic_The_Hedgedog_Reddityeah it sucked lmao.

[@tb3411]

SEGA needs to escape the monotony. While Frontier is breaking away from it, that is technically a postgame DLC. And Dream Team is an Apple Arcade exclusive game.

[@staticshock4239]

Man "Sonic 4" really didn't deserve the title when the Sonic Advance series is so much better.

[@koolaid33]

Sonic Mania absolutely should've been the Sonic 4 we got. It just feels like it belongs as part of the original five titles, it fits right in with Sonic 1, 2, 3, Knuckles and CD.

[@SonicTheBlueBlur15]

Fr sonic advance was the sonic 4 back then

[@JadeJovian]

@@koolaid33 "it fits right in with Sonic 1, 2, 3, Knuckles and CD." Maybe because 2/3rds of Mania is just a retread of those games lmao.

[@andrewfaulconer52]

​@@koolaid33Nah, Mania can't be Sonic 4 because it's mostly just a copy of the first 3 and it had no intention to evolve the series with each iteration the way it was on the Genesis.

[@piranhalettuce]

Gee, it’s almost like it was only called Sonic 4 for marketing reasons or something.

[@Pioxys]

I actually remember when Sonic 4 Episode 3 got cancelled. It was pretty devided, because you have one side who were glad this fail cash grab didn't fully take off. Then you have the other side who were mad cause this means we blew our chances on playing as Knuckles, after so long. Hilariously, more people were mad for the fact we blew our chances getting *BLUE SPHERES* again. Luckily, Sonic Mania came around, and both sides were like "we good now."

[@valkyriehero6271]

Sonic 4 was originally a mobile game called Sonic The Portable until Sega decided to rename into sonic 4. you can still see the original name (sonic the portable) on the Ferris wheel in the background of casino street zone. This explains why the graphic look the way that is does because the game made for a mobile release.

[@unnamed7485]

It's almost as if taking a low quality spinoff and labeling it as a grand sequel to a beloved classic could very easily backfire _cough_ Megamind 2 _cough_

[@SpriteWorld1991]

@@unnamed7485what mega mind two?(I’ve erased that from my memory)

[@itsnoteasybeinggreen7076]

He literally says this in the video.

[@Starpotion]

I still cannot fathom what on Earth SEGA were thinking when they decided to market this game the way they did by teasing and hyping it up as the sequel to 3&K. If they simply had more faith in the game and were more honest about it being its own thing, and nothing more than that, it would have been a lot better received. But my guess is they really wanted to sell this game on consoles as well, so they had to come up with a way to justify launching it on more than just smartphones... In the worst way possible.

[@sebastiancendoya7854]

"Sonic 4" could worked 100 times better if it was sold only on phones... and having another name don't forget that!

[@MustacheDLuffy]

But it is on phones!

[@robertlupa8273]

@@MustacheDLuffy he said " *only* on phones"

[@mark030a]

Eh, it didn't hurt too much to have it on consoles. If only it wasn't literally branded as a sequel and marketed as such, it could have made for a great $10 title or something. I mean, Xbox Live Arcade was a thing, so having a sort of 2.5D pseudo-rehash of Sonic as a small anniversary release would have made *some* sense, even if it sucked a little gameplay-wise. Same for the PS3 with the PSN store. Could have made for a small time waster. The Wii version was the only one that ended up actually making sense since that console was more on the casual side, just like releasing it on Mobile. But a "fully-fledged" sequel to one of the most critically acclaimed games in the franchise? I'm sorry, but that's like playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded Revolver. Episode 2 made more sense all-in-all but the fate of this game is pretty sad.

[@thedailysonic4278]

Was originally supposed to be called "Sonic: The Portable."

[@sebastiancendoya7854]

@@mark030a Good point!

[@jez_chill983]

i just want to drop this comment to explain why the physics in Sonic 4 seem to be so weird, from what i've gathered, it seems like Sonic 4 was built in the Sonic Rush engine, which is why Sonic sticks to walls,uncurls when going out of ramps and has a spin dash that slows down. It's not something you notice as much in Sonic Rush, but that's because both the boost and boost heavily compensate for the weird physics.

[@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569]

why they didn't just use the sonic advance physics is beyond me

[@HamtaroSonicHedgehog]

Yeah, In this case, they just opted to reused the physics engine instead of trying to build something similar to the classic titles, like what they had did with Sonic Advance 1.

[@Nzcade]

I remember playing the mobile version of Episode 2 a long time ago, man those were the memories.

[@skeletonfan6735]

Yo I know

[@gohanson3234]

Yeah

[@snakeywakey3893]

Me too.

[@Beanzops]

I eat the cotton candy from my

[@stewboy69]

Yeah man 2014 was such a great time for me I still think the game is ass but I have good memories with it

[@0E1M1]

Sonic 4 is not that bad if you consider it as a simple mobile game made during the early 2010s. I bet this game wouldn't be so hated if they kept the original name and didn't had all these teasers.

[@sixty5notch796]

I feel like calling it 4 implies quality in line with the og trilogy, which we didnt get in a classic title until mania (though im still mad that sega didnt let that game have fully original stages)

[@spongebobfan78]

@@sixty5notch796 It's because Mania was a very short game. The addition of old stages was to make it big and fitting as an anniversary title. Remember, one of the game's selling point before launch was "it's longer than Generations".

[@strivingjarlarchives1230]

My thoughts exactly. If this was called literally ANYTHING other than Sonic 4, nobody would give a damn about it. Just another subpar 2D Sonic platformer Sega sent out on phones just to cash in on the mobile gaming craze.

[@pablocasas5906]

I find it hilarious the fact that if look closely at some of Sonic 4 backgrounds you can see the game's original title, Sonic the Portable. Yes, it was meant to be a smartphone game

[@thebeard9392]

@@pablocasas5906 Sonic the Portable

[@lukchem]

I personally really love Episode 2. I think the Levels are really fun to play, especially trying to run through then really fast because the physics are quite good and the homing attack allows very fluid turning. The Music is also a big step up, most tracks are quite nice and funny. I’d say it also has the best co-op multiplayer of any Sonic game. And it’s just 2€.

[@SurfRay]

YESSS THIS!!! And episode 3 was gonna be worked on by Christian Whitehead and would have shown even MORE improvements and probably would have been amazing!!!

[@WhiteTeeDrinker]

​@@SurfRayfun fact:some people have made stuff like sonic 4 episode 3 a channel that has alot of stuff called glitch678

[@lukchem]

@ShadyFanEdits No

[@lukchem]

@ShadyFanEdits Okay, Music and Difficulty are subjective, but why do you think the co-op is bad? I think it’s way better that even Sonic Superstars and the Mario Games, because you actually have to play together because both Sonic and Tails are needed in specific parts of the levels. The plane levels are also really clever and fun, because one player controls the plane and the other Sonic, which makes it an very interesting experience.

[@lukchem]

@ShadyFanEdits Weird I never had any issues. Except with some levels on the Android Version, they just didn’t work but except these everything worked fine.

[@mondopatrick]

I used to consider Sonic advance 1 as the true Sonic 4, new playable character, new artstyle and graphics, new zones, and original special stages I still consider mania as just an anniversary title as if it were sonic 4 a third of its zones are from its supposed predecessor which wouldnt make sense

[@tazqball1605]

The thing was if Sonic 4: episode 2 was successful then a Third Episode would be released. But SEGA decided to work on sonic games for the Wii U and 3ds instead, because of that stupid 3 game Nintendo deal.

[@HamtaroSonicHedgehog]

Actually I don't think the deal had anything to do with that. Episode 2 just did not sell as well as Episode 1 did, which is what put the Sonic 4 Sub-Series in the Scraps.

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

Episode 2 was in development before 1 was even out. By the time 2 was basically done Sega ultimately decided cancel it, and have Dimps work on different projects. They apparently briefly considered doing an Ep3 with Christian Whitehead after his mobile ports of CD, but they fell through.

[@cardinalcar]

I feel like Sonic 4 wasn’t successful for a reason. I would love a remake of 3D blast, or at least revisiting those zones, because some of them were really cool and there was an element of puzzle solving

[@TwiliPaladin]

The worst of it all is that they agreed to it when Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric was nearly done. The game was built from the ground up for the Xbox One and PS4, and Sonic Team were told one day that they had to rush to get it to run on a system it wasn't even remotely compatible with.

[@vOrbZv]

I feel like I am the only person who liked these games. I can obviously see why they were hated because of the name mostly but the games were fun to me. Especially part 2 where they fixed a lot of the original issues.

[@The_JediPenguin]

The games are alright. The problem is that they called it Sonic the Hedgehog 4, making it being compared and expected to live up to the genesis games. It also was very short and copied a lot from the Genesis games. If it was released as Sonic the Portable as it was meant to be originally, it would get a lot less hate. Yet Sega was Sega and got greedy. It failed to live up to the name it was given and was punished for it.

[@SuperTugz]

Episode II was OK but still imo the biggest issue with Sonic 4 was that you would spam the homing attack to kill badnicks and reach higher parts of the level, instead of using actual skilled platforming like in the Genesis/Mega Drive games, a point not really mentioned in this video. It's fun for what it is though. I tend to agree with Cybershell: Sonic Mania was the true Sonic 4

[@MustacheDLuffy]

Way too mid

[@Lilguy522-wv4if]

Sonic 4 ep1 wasn't bad. Sonic 4 ep 2 was better.

[@VinTheDirector]

Bruh nobody forgot about these games, they’re a regular punchline when people talk about Sega’s nostalgia-baiting

[@bepis_real]

8:15 huge props to your editing, those transitions were perfect

[@kasam0308]

Fun fact: the ducks had to do the music while Jun Sunoe had to conduct them. That’s why Sonic 4’s soundtrack sounds like quack.

[@nonexistor]

I really think it wouldn't hurt for Sega to make a Sonic 4 Episode 3, especially since Sega's gotten their act together with 2D Sonic so well with amazing games like Rush, Advance, maybe Superstars, and especially Mania. It might even have a chance to be good

[@Rusty_Spy]

Superstars was the only one of these that was made after 4 by Sonic Team

[@JonnySpec]

@@Rusty_Spy Superstars and Sonic 4 weren't even made by just Sonic Team.

[@ohno5559]

What would be the point of that, everything that was new about sonic 4 was bad. You either carry over those aspects and the game sucks, or you don't carry them over and there's no point in calling it sonic 4.

[@johnman8398]

@@ohno5559 That's not true Sonic 4 Ep II was a significant step up from I while keeping what kept it sonic 4 resulting in a flawed but solid game with Ep III they could easily do the same.

[@ohno5559]

@@johnman8398 The tails/sonic combo moves were a legitimate development, it would be fair to carry those forward (but make them execute a lot faster). Outside of that though, most of the improvements in episode II were in fixing mistakes episode I introduced, like the visuals. Nothing that really establishes a solid "sonic 4 identity" that can be carried forward. Considering the main distinguishing feature of Sonic 4 was the godawful physics, they'd be better off taking what elements worked in episode II and using them elsewhere rather than trying to continue under the Sonic 4 identity.

[@cheesethepyriteblur]

i personally love sonic 4, mostly because of nostalgia, but also loving to think of the potential it could have

[@TDMicrodork]

These games on the Ouya got me back into sonic so they will always have a special place in my heart.

[@user-vi4xy1jw7e]

This comment is cursed. Ouya AND Sonic 4? A match made in hell.

[@Just_Some_Yonko_With_A_Beard]

@@user-vi4xy1jw7e fr. it just reminded me of this crazy STEM teacher I had who said KZbin was going to be paywalled and the Ouya was going to singlehandedly antiquate the entire console market and become the only platform. I can only imagine what he had to say about the Google Stadia back when you'd get an ad for it every 5 seconds

[@onthedre]

I really wish we got Sonic 4 Episode 3. Episode 2 was a step up in terms of look and story, so episode 3 could've been really special. Also episode 1 was fun with Super Sonic and the first 3 Splash Hill acts are some of Sonic's best levels.

[@HarmonyBunny]

I hear Episode 3 was gonna be done by the people who made the Castle of Illusion remake. And that was a hit.

[@NovikNova]

I think White Park is inspired by Sunset Park from Sonic Chaos, but with snow now, which makes it so unique that it's basically original aside from the boss (which is how I came to this realization)

[@RoanithoAubin-b2p]

Sunset park is from Sonic Triple Trouble

[@luthergaming5789]

It's Triple Trouble not Chaos,Chaos is gigalopolis

[@locosword3985]

Bringing up Sonic 4 is like bringing up the 4th diary of a wimpy kid movie or Shrek 3, no one wants to remember they exist and it’s a perfect trilogy on all 3 occasions if you just erases those from existence.

[@crashed_86]

16:55 That is DEFINITELY Biollante

[@SuperMuriloStudios]

9:02 WHY IS THE TRANSITION SO GOOD OMG 😭😭😭

[@KOTSOSMC2002]

Episode I would be a passable mobile spin-off (as originally intended) but sucked as a multi-platform mainline release. Episode II is phenomenal no matter how you look at it, genuinely a banger.

[@Rediscool9]

I always considered Sonic 4 Episodes 1 and 2 to be the New Super Mario Bros series of the Sonic franchise.

[@Oceane1803]

2:12 "Fumie Kumatani, he knows what's up"

[@AlexSzubka]

Genuinely hated how long the era of sega where they would bully their own franchise and make it a selling point.

[@EternityVoid_]

Thank God it stopped.

[@johnman8398]

Outside of Sonic 4 (which is a stretch) when was bullying their own franchise a selling point?

[@AlexSzubka]

@@johnman8398 it was heavy during Meta era, they had arron (from game grumps) as their main sponsor which was weird cause he would constantly shit on the games and devs, in a lot of videos they would make fun of their start in 3D like 06 or even claiming adventure was bad. It was all in their social media and it was annoying

[@johnman8398]

@@AlexSzubkaIt wasn't all that heavy in the modern era unless you were terminally online. Having Arin as a sponsor doesn't mean they're bullying their franchise as a selling point, he's also a fan of sonic. It wasn't all over their social media either.

[@AlexSzubka]

@@johnman8398 you can watch their previous anniversary videos or just look back at their old social media if you care that much. this isn't just a personal feeling alot of people have noticed this.

[@retrogamer9362]

There is a sonic 4 episode 3, its called sonic superstars

[@DennisAlbino-l8w]

He called the viewers, a slur at 1:33

[@RenasMayi]

0:30 can someone tell me what game/simulation is Kiro using here to show us Sonic?

[@koolaid33]

That's Sonic 3's first zone, Angel Island Zone.

[@smolbrendan5978]

​@@koolaid33 they mean everything _around_ sonic 3. the room. that being said, i have no clue.

[@-rlmn]

something that runs doom

[@RenasMayi]

@@smolbrendan5978 yess that's what I meant

[@HiddenPiecrust]

It's EmuVR. Has support for systems up to PS2 and even has lightgun support (best in VR, of course).

[@Sly88Frye]

Yeah I just knew you were going to talk about Sonic 4 and I think most people did just because of the recent polls you posted. Kind of like that idea though because it kind of gives us clues as to what you're going to do next and helps us prepare for it. Back then I would have been happy to see there be an episode 3. I had initially enjoyed Sonic 4 episode 1 when it first came out but yes looking back at it I'd say it was just okay. I did enjoy Sonic 4 episode 2 when that came out and it's definitely better than the first episode but yeah I think it ran its course looking back at it. I mean there's not really anything new that could have done with Sonic 4 episode 3 besides just add knuckles which isn't new. They would just be following the pattern of what they already did before with the classic Genesis series.

[@Koopai386]

i love how this guy can make a 5 minute video into a 20 minute one

[@TheNumberblock0.875]

Sonic 3 & Knuckles was my fav game

[@NinjaCacodemon_IsSus]

I thought it was the advance serirs WE NEED SONIC ADVANCE 4 OFFICIAL

[@hamzamohamed6774]

15:22 wow what an amazing way of mentioning knuckles' abilitieS

[@theREALuntitled-ball]

Episode 1 is nowhere to be seen on my google play. They dont want me to know

[@luthergaming5789]

They know it's bad...

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Sega's attempt of copying the New Super Mario Bros. series

[@usuario15965]

Shut yo ass😭

[@azurecorviknight4189]

Here's how i'd make sonic 4 ep3. Sprite based, with Knuckles being a new bad guy, tails is still there but the 4 new zones are this. 1. Shroom Forest 2. Sunburn Desert 3. Aerolite Bastion 4. Skyline Plant (Chemical plant but its in the sky. 5. Deviled Egghold

[@NetroCarl]

Just reading these comments makes me realize theres two type of people, the people who hate it and was hoping for a more entertaining series, and the people who feel nostalgic and excited that this finally gets talked about (second type)

[@TheRealKingDedede]

Sonic 4 Episode 2 has legitimately one of my favorite moves they’ve ever given Tails and it’s only there. Using his tails to propel himself through the water. Like, why give him a dinky little doggy paddle? His tails are a PROPELLOR

[@heitorsant1759]

I think it's really funny how the same guys that made the rush series, pocket adventure and advance series also made sonic 4 and sonic generations 3DS

[@malachiallen1517]

If Sonic 4 would've had a 3rd installment, I bet it would be a great redemption game as Episode II was only the tip of the iceberg. At least Superstars is as close to Episode III as we could get, ig

[@mochamanplays257]

I don’t mind only playing as Sonic in the games that have a good story. The games that don’t have a good story/ want to tell multiple stories I love to have different characters to play as for DIFFERENT STORIES

[@midi_feline]

Who cares about the story

[@mbii7667]

​@@midi_feline I do

[@bigt5241]

i remember playing sonic 4 on my dad's playstation as a kid, thinking it was a demo because of how quickly you can beat it

[@robertlupa8273]

12:00 Oh wow, I had no idea about this! Nice detail. :)

[@Crown_Kid]

16:57 when I first saw this I thought of the stage 2 boss of contra for some reason

[@afhamdanish1957]

The fact Sonic 4 episode one getting great review from IGN it's wild 💀

[@mattiasolsson1523]

Probably a 6.5 if he talk about the physics and too easy then it would be a fair review with some flaws.

[@Naruku2121]

Jun is an absolute legend, but the man's just not cooking when it comes to classic sonic era music.

[@TheT3rr0rMask]

Funny we had the Advance and Rush games yet all went "FINALLY SONIC 4?????" at the sight of a logo. What we got was the Sonic equivalent of Mighty No. 9.

[@koiofokinawa]

Lost world is my favorite.

[@Nickika]

To the first question, the best sonic game would be Sonic Generations, Classic Sonic is good, Modern Sonic is Good, The missions are good, the bosses are good (except for the last one) There is absolutely bad stuff on the game

[@theoneandonlysessy]

Honestly sonic 4 would probably be a bit more memorable if it had original zone concepts. I enjoy a playthrough of both games every once in a while. Sega could make a definitive sonic 4 game using the assets and maybe even models from sonic super stars. Potentially even add in some extra end game stuff to fill in the episode 3 area and boom. A complete title just called Sonic the hedgehog 4

[@cosmicrealm7320]

sonic 4 episode 2's music was good, especially the snow levels music.

[@Jayjay0829]

Damn you werent lying saying forgotten. I looked at the thumbnail and I thought you were talking about the Sonic Dash games

[@Vaquix000]

The music for sonic 4 sounds like a composter trying to make music for a retro kiddy game, but the composer for sonic 3 and knuckles was trying to make music for an awesome new game for anyone. The sonic games were never aiming to be childish, they missed the whole point.

[@midi_feline]

You only heard the boss music, didn't you?

[@MroOoO-g6v]

Cool fun fact there is only one sonic song that has a swear its his world he says kickin ass fast

[@YamatoFukkatsu]

In retrospect, these supposed continuations of the 2D games using Sonic's Adventure-onward design is made very awkward by the fact that, very shortly after they came out, Sonic Generations became a thing, and thus Classic Sonic was recognized as his own entity (I guess the prior implication was that Adventure Sonic is how Sonic always was, just that the newer design interprets him differently..... though the Archie comics made Sonic's change in design very explicit and even acted as a plot point).

[@ZacharyDietze]

Sonic Triple Trouble 16-Bit, also known as Sonic 4, is one of the greatest fan games to ever be made. It sticks true to the authenticity of the main games while also remaking everything that made the original Triple Trouble so goo- *wait what do you mean that's not what we're talking about?*

[@5adb0i]

I think part of what had Sonic 4 doomed from the start was what I had initially gotten hype about in the lead up to the release - the combination of old and new that fell short. As we can see in retrospect with the love for mania (I literally have the collectors edition with the sonic figure and game cartridge that opens up with a ring inside it) and the desire for re-releases/ports of the old games but also the love for the Unleashed onwards era, it's hard to strike a balance of getting a Sonic game right for everybody. However, this game was an attempt at blending the two that fell short. I feel like nowadays we kind of just have to settle for "Ok" Sonic games instead of hoping for an Adventure 3 and then being disappointed (literally every time oof). The initial concept of blending aesthetics seems ripe enough, especially after the success of Mania and the current hype for Shadow Generations - just better implementation would be NECESSARY. For younger fans and those who appreciate the "Classic" era without it being their favorite or most memorable. Taking the idea of the Advance series and push it just a tad further without development shortcuts. I feel like both myself and the fans at large would be far more receptive to, say, remaking 1-3&K or the advance series but with a modern aesthetic. If they were to keep the original stories, level designs, and gameplay pretty much exactly the same (minus whatever changes would be necessary for cross-platform and modern controller compatibility, not that the basic controls like those games had are hard to implement); and only update the graphics. Give it the modern 3D aesthetics in character designs, animations, and ability to use 3D models, but only expand the original ideas that were limited by technical capabilities of hardware. Instead of the mania or generations approach to balancing the modern and classic eras in the game development, just lean as much towards classic for everything besides aesthetic. With modern synths that are designed to sound like the old ones (and even ones that emulate/sample the actual sound cards of the old consoles like Super Audio Cart or the Arturia and Korg collections), the soundtrack would not be an issue as long as the music direction focuses on those old games' sounds - just basically taking that audio from 480p to 4K without changing the actual musicality, for lack of a better analogy. The same would be how to approach the visuals - instead of block chunks of pixels for the art, actual 3D models and lights, but not changing the inherent designs or structures. Like how the Death Egg Zone could very easily pull from how SA2 and Shadow (rip) look in terms of the Space Colony Ark in the background. Or Hydrocity - take the blue, purple, orange, and yellow floor tiles and just add more color variation and HD textures of bricks that are weathered and ruined. Or you can have the individual neon signs and light poles that cast soft lights and flicker individually but keep the original designs of how they looked for anything carnival themed. If they just literally upscale the aesthetics of the classic games but keep them playing the way the classic did, it would be a million times more loved than whatever the fuck was going on with Sonic 4. You can see the evidence for this the way things like Project06 and the Shadow fan film exist. Instead of how Advance tried to rebirth the classic era in modern times, it should be more so an homage and celebration of the classic era by circumventing technical limitations that no longer exist in aesthetic quality, but respecting the original gameplay and story choices. If you could just make the 240p video with 8bit 32kHz audio into 4K60fps video with 24 bit 48kHz audio for the classic/advance games, that would sell better and be more loved than a Sonic 06 port or Sonic 4.

[@dekulinkgamer2789]

This is the game or 06 that people will constantly tell Sonic fans that these are the 2 games that killed the franchise over and over and over again to the point that it gets tiring yknow its coming when you hear."Oh yeah, well, at least my company didn't make 06nor sonic 4".

[@shadowopsairman1583]

Downfall started with Adventure 2

[@callie-flower3177]

it's so fucking annoying especially because 06 is actually really good, it's just got REALLY bad physics. i dont think it's what killed the series at all, what killed the series was SEGA rushing sonic team and making them crunch and then also the marketing they did for a while in the 2010s with the edgy humor and all of that dumb shit 🙄 they were actively killing their own brand. it was nothing to do with the games Lol

[@nobodyinparticular9640]

​@@callie-flower3177the amounts of contradictions in your posts are staggering. Try reading what you wrote.

[@Cr102y]

@@shadowopsairman1583A game that was successful and praised hardly counts as the downfall,unless you rely on revisionism.

[@bigchungus7870]

They put more effort into the endings than the entirety of episode 1

[@jason18337]

I didnt even know sonic 4 episode 1 was 3d rendered at all.

[@LorenzoDoesntExist]

Sorry but what do you mean Sonic 2D games only came out occasionally? After Sonic & Knuckles were Triple Trouble, Pocket Adventure, Advance 1, 2, 3, and Rush 1, 2. There had been 2D games the entire time, so porting a tiny mobile game to consoles and calling it "Sonic 4" is embarrassing, especially with Colors, a mostly 2D game, already on the way. Even then, I wouldn't have released anything as "Sonic 4," "Sonic Adventure 3," or anything fans have been asking for because it'll just make them go, "ooh," for a bit until they realize they already got what they're asking for a long time ago, it just wasn't titled that way. After the Genesis, there've been a tonne of great 2D games. After the Dreamcast, there've been a tonne of great 3D games with different gameplay styles and adventure fields.

[@Sonic06832]

I always wondered why Sonic 4 was so short, this made the game less enjoyable in my opinion.

[@EmmanuelPerez88]

They should release episode 3 but have Christian whitehead redo the first 2 and make the third

[@sj1productions68]

Y'know, if Sonic 4 Episode 3 was released, I bet it would've had an "Episode Knuckles", similar to Episode 2's Episode Metal, where Knuckles goes through Episode 2's zones to find Sonic and Tails after they escape the Death Egg Mk.2, leading into him joining them in Episode 3.

[@VC-cx8gf]

not even a sonic fan but i'll always show up for your videos

[@eduardosinisterra2255]

I didn't think sonic 4 was bad but that was kind of because I was young so I thought anything was good but I think the wii ver still has the best soundtrack

[@cthandrils]

The fact that you even mentioned the BIT.TRIP series at all makes me happy

[@edivaldobetta4437]

my body shook when i heard bit trip

[@abraveastronaut]

I enjoyed the Sonic 4s all right when they came out, but they're hard to go back to now that we have better modern 2D Sonic games.

[@birbisawesome]

people better not start saying “oh this game is a hidden gem” like how people are saying 06 is secretly good which I can BARELY get behind because of the music and shotty story, because liking shit games like Sonic 4 and Sonic Forces are the reason we were just in a dark age for Sonic

[@user-vi4xy1jw7e]

Blinded by nostalgia

[@pablocasas5906]

Are we really in another Sonic Dark Age? Frontiers was mostly well reviewed and sold very well, we got two successful live-action movies, there was the Netflix show and Knuckles' TV series broke ratings records for Paramount+

[@johnman8398]

Sonic 4 and Forces aren't shit they're mid at worst and shouldn't ever be compared to the likes of 06 which is genuinely bad.

[@callie-flower3177]

rewriting this bc i was a little too aggressive in my last comment even though im not really mad? lol but 06 was good, genuinely. i appreciate what they were trying to do with it's story, and i like the different direction they took with it tbh. it's just burdened by bad/glitchy physics bc of how it got rushed and i Wish it wasn't bc it deserves better. elise and sonic don't count as a complaint tho LOL if it's a genuine one... pls. grow up.

[@birbisawesome]

@@user-vi4xy1jw7edawg i’m 17 06 was my first sonic game 😭😭

[@Uwith3r]

Its been so long i've ever hear the name "Sonic the Hedgehog 4"

[@Alexifeu]

I played trough Sonic 4 Episode 2 on Xbox 360 and now on Xbox One S but I couldn't beat the final boss and can't get the last emerald. I love it tho. I think it was my first official Sonic game as a kid ❤️🥺 ALSO THE MUSIC IS FIRE!! I recently bought and played through Sonic 4 Episode 1, it's garbage A

[@troyami]

Bro Sonic 4’s music is actually good My personal favourite is Sky Fortress Act 2

[@mattiasolsson1523]

Some music is good Yeah.

[@Just_Some_Yonko_With_A_Beard]

I'm tired of pretending it's not. go to any Superstars OST and the comments will all be 6 months old and have only bad things to say unless it's one of the small handful you can immediately tell were from Tee Lopes. Jun wasn't even the only composer besides Tee Lopes but if people can't immediately tell, they get real biased real quick because that's the popular thing to do.

[@CalebChrisR]

yuki naka being arrested for insider trading will never not be funny

[@michaelfritz5816]

I played Sonic R on PC, and loved it.

[@YaroKasear]

To clarify STI's role in Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 & Knuckles. In Sonic 2, it was still helmed primarily by Sonic Team with STI being more or less a "Unit B" team helping out. Much of STI's content for the game wound up being cut to the point most of what you see and hear in Sonic 2 is basically just Sonic Team's work. Sonic 3 & Knuckles didn't actually involve STI beyond them being WHERE the game was developed. Sonic Team went out of their way not to involve actual STI staff in the development of S3K. The impression I got on the background of this one was Sonic Team was less than impressed with STI's work on Sonic 2 and decided they'd rather not involve them in what they thought was meant to be the swan song of the franchise.

[@Gsa-the-HedgeGod]

IMPORTANT NOTE: Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles (AKA STH3&K) has a total of 8 music tracks that Michael Jackson worked on, and future use of them by Sega could lead to copyright issues. Here's the music tracks: STH3&K - Knuckles' Theme (FINAL game version) STH3&K - Carnival Night Zone Act 1 (FINAL game version) STH3&K - Carnival Night Zone Act 2 (FINAL game version) STH3&K - Icecap Zone Act 1 (FINAL game version) STH3&K - Icecap Zone Act 2 (FINAL game version) STH3&K - Launch Base Zone Act 1 (FINAL game version) STH3&K - Launch Base Zone Act 2 (FINAL game version) STH3&K - Credits (FINAL game version)

[@Gsa-the-HedgeGod]

STH3&K PC actually reuses the PROTOTYPE game tracks but changes them a bit

[@Milesrnghorror]

im gonna be honest the first time i saw the game i deadass thought it was a fangame that could have gotten possibly even made in scratch if the animations looked like they were 3d renders turned into png at 3 fps like the background

[@Gsa-the-HedgeGod]

I wish someone or Sega actually brings back Sonic X-treme someday. It had a pretty X-TREME failure...

[@ThomasandJames211]

am I the only one who likes sonic4?

[@agent_framerate]

I'd be fine with Sonic The Hedgehog 4 if it was properly remade to be a proper Genesis style game and if Episode 3 was brought back to life.

[@mattiasolsson1523]

I do like Ep 1 and 2 a little, but its a shame it got the Hedgehog 4 title in it.

[@wieiisherepico]

in my personal opinion i like the music, but maybe because i grew up on a demo of sorts on sonic 4 episode 2

[@raunak0983]

While sonic 4 episode 2 was just an “ok” game, i still do like it. It does have room for improvement, i will admit. But for me, it is miles better than episode one. And in my opinion, it is very slightly underrated. Unfortunately i can’t say the same for episode 1. That one sucks, the only thing i’ll really say is liked about it is the backgrounds. Specifically Lost Labyrinth’s background.

[@peashooterman3]

jsyk the entirety of the first game's ost is comprised of korg triton presets aside from the tr-626 snare

[@AndresASARE-ELLIS-ps8ee]

Speaking of _2010_, I wasn't born. 1 year later, in Earth Day 2011, _I_ came into the world.

[@thedrunkmonkshow]

That's essentially what they did with Episode 1...the characters like sonic and the enemies are 3D models, certain parts of the background are also 3d models, then the rest and especially the foreground are flat images previously rendered in some kind of 3D art program pieced together in layers. So mixing those art styles in that way with different lighting sources creates color clashes and ruins the depth perception. Episode 2 on the other hand seems to use shaded 3D models for characters and textured models for everything else including the bosses so it finally looks normal with proper lighting. Episode 2 was better but that's not saying much with how much of a dumpster fire Episode 1 was. This episodic experiment they did not help Sonic's reputation at all but luckily they got things right with Sonic Generations in 2011 which to me still reigns as king of the 3D Sonic games. None of the 3D attempts afterwards capture the level design, pacing, and quality of Generations.

[@Faapu]

I'm the one guy who actually does keep up with all the Sonic mobile games, Sonic Forces Mobile is pretty good. But I don't think these games would have been liked that much more if they were called something else, they'd probably just be considered a disappointing follow up to the Sonic Advance and Rush series

[@fizzy-frenzy]

it was like if The Force Awakens was the sequel to A New Hope

[@Cr102y]

TFA wasn’t very original,not unoriginal and bad. That’s just revisionism from the annoying side of the fanbase.

[@aboodsart]

I’d consider the next continuation of classic Sonic after 3&K to be triple trouble or knuckles chaotix

[@billchiper1628]

I can't really tell what I think of Sonic 4 ep2 because I have the game on steam but I can't play it because as soon as the title screen comes up I have to press any button or something. And I press literally every button I can and nothing happens, this has been a problem for me a very long time. I've actually wanted to play it tbh.

[@ReadyboyReady-te6nc]

how many of you thought he was talking about the sonic franchise as a whole or was that just me

[@thegreatpapyrus1518]

We all know deep down, that the real Sonic 4 is Sonic Mania.

[@KCDash4400cw]

Im gonna be 100% honest. Sonic 4 episode 2 is one of my favorite sonic games.

[@zachpro5475]

9:07 except labyrinth

[@tonanleo3494]

Video idea: upgrading in games

[@forestaysaIL]

It’s clear they were aiming for something like New Super Mario Bros. despite the name

[@finngomezgamer]

You point out that it’s bad that the game has pre rendered graphics but I would strongly disagree, I think pre rendered graphics are amazing this game just doesn’t do it right, you pointed out dkc but that game and yoshi story are gorgeous pre rendered games and the aesthetic has its charm