Kishore Mahbubani Q&A 04: Chinese Censorship and Taiwan's Status Quo

[@thomastse6228]

I was born, brought up and spend most of my life in Hong Kong, experienced Britain rule and now experiencing China rule, I don't feel repression at all. I am free here in Hong Kong .

[@turtlesoup8134]

@@lawkh7519and what does intangible values give you? more discrimination, more fighting and more killing.

[@vichitvideo6041]

I believe you are now much more free because you now do not live in Hong Kong as a second class citizen.

[@qilu2004]

hk people never got the right to vote for their governors under british rule. they were treated second class citizens by brits.

[@cheongseeksam3502]

@@turtlesoup8134 can you elaborate on your statement of discrimination, fighting and killing? Are you alleging the terrorizing pro Western groups are doing that?

[@turtlesoup8134]

@@cheongseeksam3502 look no further than what the west do in the past centuries and the present or what their supported protest/riot group do to people that do not agree with them. Values, religion, ideologies creates more divide, discrimination and eventually violence. The west knows this very well and have been using religious and ideological believes as a weapon of war.

[@tweedy4sg]

Thanks Prof Mahbubani for exposing the hypocrisy & disingenuousness of some in the West.

[@yslaw896]

What a simple and critical insight - "most Chinese people have never been happier!" I wonder if anyone can say the same thing about Americans and British citizens?

[@elianamckee]

Fantastic again. Thank you.

[@sud9312]

He is so spot on today’s American political environment and how everyone has to watch what comes out of their mouth before we get labeled as pro - or anti- some group

[@100-q8v]

Prof is so humble. He even apologized to the coward that accused him of putting words in his mouth. But in fact, Prof was quoting the exact words the coward just said in the room and got no balls to own up after being defeated by sheer facts.

[@bummers]

Singaporean here. Loving his replies. It's like in Singapore. Love him or hate him, Singaporeans voted for late Lee Kuan Yew again and again for 40 years as PM. Are there complaints about him? For sure. Name one politician who managed to come up with public policies that satisfy everyone. Similarly for China, Xi Jinping and CPC has done tremendously in the past 30 years to improve the lives of Chinese citizens.

[@greentea8852]

She's speaking as other country doesn't have censorship. Every single country in this world has censorship

[@gohsiewhau4819]

She is pure biased,or funded by the evil America govt budget to badmouth n create negative fake news on china or ?!?!👀🧐🤔💰🤑

[@siamcharm7904]

the motherland just needs time and the prodigal child will gladly return to the fold.

[@mandalion6709]

That’s what you think. This child will not return…….period.

[@iggy5347]

I think northern ireland should be free and join mainland ireland. What the british doing there???

[@ritaalano7929]

Kishore is right again about China's attitude towards Taiwan. Xi Jinping repeatedly pointed out that he would not allow Chinese to fight Chinese in his watch. So there will not be forceful take over. Given time and opportunity, Taiwan will repatriate like Hong Kong and Macao, peacefully, without bloodshed.

[@thisiskevin1000]

Wait until finally, pro-mainland parties inside the island finally gained momentum over both the KMT and DPP

[@kathirgamagnathan8682]

Great mindset & an amzing analysis by Kishore M👌

[@lilypang7590]

Bravo Mr. Mahbubani!!!

[@songyong2395]

To understand China well, British intellect, Cambridge Prof. Martin Jacques who spent 8 years in China as adviser n consultant to China govt. is most qualified western intellect to give a very fair view on China !

[@dryeoh2023]

Thanks Harry for the video. Thank you very much.

[@ivany3143]

One of the way to look at Chinese is at the single unit that forms it, the family. Chinese migrated to Nanyang - the current ASEAN countries with the single goal of not just bettering their lives but of the generations to come. The first generation will do the difficult work of labour, the next generation must do better by becoming a skilled blue collar labour and the next generation should go on to be a university graduate. That is the mentality of the Chinese. It took my family 3 generations to put me into university and is a common scene for a lot of my contemporaries. We plan for the long game and we are patient.

[@patchoe8014]

An excellent answer.

[@calvinsiew2324]

Brilliant… That’s all I can say…

[@bojoondong7911]

Wow… Sir Kishore M has really given an amazingly thorough reply to the challenging Questions being put forward to him. 👍👍🙏🙏 Many of us can never understand why the West ( be they be the Government, anti China Commoners, and worst of all, the Western Media, ) appear to be War Enthusiasts - where have their senses gone to? Don’t they have pain when they got hurt? Strange beings….. 🤔

[@patryka11]

A pleasure to listen Mr. Mabubani. Simply as that. Thank you

[@pennyleepn]

I am a Singapore Citezen and was raised and born in Malaysia. I visited China Bejing, Chong Qing, Cheng Du, Shanghai, Nanjing, and HongKong. China is so advanced and safe. The country is prospering, and people are civilized and kind. I used to think they were backward. You have to visit them and interact with the locals. My team from Xin Jiang asked to see her, and she told me XJ has become a tourist attraction, and the people are hap, py and everyone has a job there. So please do not believe all the Western Media saying that Chinese people destroyed XJ and the Muslims there. This is absolutely NOT True :) Go visit China, and you know what I mean. Thank you Prof Mahubani for educating the everyone that has a wrong perception of China.

[@alexyhchin]

I like the comment “The best way to win a war is by not fighting”. Is really out of Sun Tzu The Art of War… In a war there is no real winner. Both side get hurt.

[@turtlesoup8134]

I think the west would like to disagree. Their rampant colonialism and subjugation of the world brings wealth to their people. Some war means both lose, but some war means one side gets everything. Europe lost by fighting each other in ww1 and ww2, but america won and took the world after ww2.

[@iggy5347]

Like afghanistan. Both side lost. America lost 2500 soldiers and $2 trilliuns 😂😂😂

[@turtlesoup8134]

@@iggy5347 no...america achieve what they intended to do partly. Their failure is their inability to make their puppet gov in Afghanistan last, but they (the real ruler of america) got what they wanted by pocketing 2 trillion dollars. They got their profits but not their geopolitical goals. Not a total lost.

[@lisa.e5776]

The weapons tycoons will get frustrated when their markets are getting smaller. They need Wars to get more money.😈

[@iggy5347]

Ukraine good place to make money

[@victoews6842]

American censorship is very intrusive and hypocritical while Chinese censorship is open and honest.

[@andrewlim7751]

In America, they bought the media openly to speak for them, yes, money speak. 😁

[@CalvinK300]

@@andrewlim7751 I agree with you. In USA, they don’t even bother with censorship. Why bother to censor when you can blatantly spread misinformation or biased views?

[@andrewlim7751]

@@CalvinK300 The court even sentenced Tucker not guilty for smearing an innocent lady hurting her badly saying it's his right to say whatever he want even if it's smearing.

[@andrewlim7751]

@@CalvinK300 And she have evidence of Tucker Carlson smearing.

[@andrewlim7751]

@@CalvinK300 CNN are worse, I dunno what to describe them.

[@menghwatan6770]

Great job Prof

[@MsWindlee]

Yes, professor or Mr Kishore is so right. Chinese people don’t fight unless we have to. We use strategies to win. Fighting is the last resort.

[@bicycleridingaroundtheuniv2557]

excellent remarks

[@kongakau5058]

Tks

[@LoveOwenCris]

The "black/white" theory is simply spot on.

[@AL-vx9ql]

What a brilliant, knowledgeable and wise prominent diplomat Prof Kishore is ...amazing

[@boyah5316]

Impressive. Thanks Prof for speaking the truth. It is not a naively simple black and white. To see it, need to break the cold War mental model

[@pyrogenetix]

Very well said. As if there is no censorship in the West. Was she born yesterday?

[@KSMrK]

Dr Kilshore expressed so well but still many western medias still pretended they heard nothing good about China.My daughter went to study in Tianjin and graduated there.Its been many years since then and she is still speaking of good things in China.Never once heard of all these crab questinings from her at all.

[@sinnieleeonUtube]

Professor Mahbubani must be disappointed that he had to give lecture instead of having a genuine discussion.

[@jwang_]

上兵伐谋，其次伐交，其次伐兵，其下攻城；攻城之法为不得已。

[@ianwmsu]

"... The best way to win a war... is without fighting." the Military Industrial Complex isn't going like that very much. What's the point of having a war, if you can't sell arms? Sigh!

[@MYSG-nc6wp]

You have to read 'The art of war' to know what Professor Mahbubani meant.

[@otto7523]

there was no fighting in the cold war

[@lisa.e5776]

Agree. They are getting greedier in the past 200 years.. These people never satisfy.

[@bojoondong7911]

This quote of “to win a war is without fighting” has really reminded me of some quotes of Chinese saying I saw somewhere: With a little forbearance you will find calm and peace ; take a little step back, you will find space around you .

[@ianwmsu]

@@bojoondong7911 this is something young civilizations haven't learn to comprehend. The old civilizations are tired of centuries of fighting, and abhor it. The young civilizations (with all due respect) are like street punks, full of energy and haven't been hurt enough, goes out looking for a fight at every corner. The fact that they are ruled under the Military Industrial Complex (under an illusion of democracy) makes them all the more prone to love conflicts.

[@missyyanawang]

To be more specific about what the Chinese government think about war on Taiwan: Even we win, we loss! Because it's Chinese fighting Chinese! Leave China and Taiwan alone, and we'll and we can solve whatever the difference we have peacefully! Because, to the Chinese culture, the people, at least the majority of the people come first, before anything! Always!

[@maungtinsu]

有研究孫子兵法！厲害！

[@ianzhou6408]

Speaking in November 2022, the question of censorship is especially poigant given the Twitter situation. Elon Musk accuses the Democrats of censoring Trump, while the Democrats are saying Trump is undermining free speech. Is there censorship in the US?

[@BubblesPothowari]

05:53 "Win without Fighting" Art of War, Sun Tzu, Chinese General, 500 BCE.....

[@AvernusAres]

Remember Julian Assange woman.

[@billhearing3355]

I think the speaker has in depth understanding of the situation.

[@andtam008]

I also want to ask why I got censorship when my comments don't fit the narratives of the media? No vulgarity, no offense to anyone, just an open opinion! What are the west afraid of?

[@rosalynnchow5057]

You are tagged. Probably me too.

[@greentea8852]

Afraid of the truth. I can't give any direct link anymore, even when I mention some names, got deleted automatically. If this is not censorship I don't know what is.

[@youngz13o]

China needs to get more scholars like Kishore to talk with countries it DOES cooperate with on the BRI. Talking to these westerners is a waste of time

[@thisiskevin1000]

Not all Westerns are like that. There is a perceptions gap between the older and younger generation.

[@fabianwee]

Every citizen in the world need to spend 2 term of the life.. 1... Living in their own majority country.. 2.. Living in themselve being a minority in the country.......... That experience will help mankind sobre down their irrational rheoteric.

[@francislai1828]

The fact will tell Western people about they had much more bise to China.

[@physika]

Prof just did an informal censorship to the lady 😂 Indeed the west should not use BW comparisons.

[@andreakubicki258]

even in germany there is censorship. like "hitler salut" or "sieg heil" greeting are forbidden.

[@arcencielc2065]

Why did the woman speak without wearing a mask on?

[@forpwd1187]

It‘s not only not to do black and white approach, more fundamentally, do paint black as white and white as black, that‘s the first step for most of the westerners to correct.

[@Hitamjoy]

Kishore was correct in pointing out that all countries practice some level of censorship, but he missed the key point. China's censorship of Western social media intensified after the Xinjiang riots and the U.S.'s role in toppling Egypt's legitimate government during the Arab Spring by exploiting social media. For a country like China, which was impoverished in 1949 and has since lifted 800 million people out of poverty, its priorities are clear: ensuring everyone has food, then jobs, and eventually housing. This aligns with Maslow's hierarchy of needs. When a significant portion of the population lacks sufficient education and struggles to discern truth from falsehood, they become vulnerable to manipulation through misinformation. The U.S. has attempted to destabilize China's government since Mao's era, primarily by spreading false ideologies and propaganda. Without censorship, China risks facing the same fate as the Soviet Union. The late Mr. Lee Kuan Yew, Kishore’s mentor, firmly stated that implementing "one man, one vote" can be disastrous if less than 70% of the population is highly educated. The West struggles to understand China because they lack the perspective of a continuous 5,000-year history to provide clarity.

[@wilsonng911]

The question about chinese censorship is rediculous. Every country has some form of censorship to maintain moralities. Western nations have censorships too. Julian Assange is an example.

[@genbond7459]

Wow! Two years ago and Kishore already knew Trump is coming back as President!

[@Steve-pq7cb]

We need results not yapping.

[@andrewfuzh]

“上兵伐谋，其次伐交，其次伐兵，其下攻城.”孙子兵法看过啊

[@bearpolo3618]

“兵者，凶器也，圣人不得已而用之。“ ”兵者，国之大事，死生之地，存亡之道，不可不察也。” ”不战而屈人之兵，善之善者也。“

[@maryhanxiao1890]

On taiwan on censorship

[@tameng-xt1qh]

Correct. But a lot of rumors.

[@ericzhang251]

Another kindergarten level question. 😊

[@Baoz1230]

German accent tells, after the first word, don’t be surprised 😊

[@charlizet4314]

It just shows the lack of understanding of the east…. I guess we too take it for granted that the west knows better since they are much more advanced in their media. It is shocking how little they know Asia..

[@forpwd1187]

This lady simply has not the least idea of the Chinese culture. Again, sad but not surprising. Exact it‘s just naive to think there is no censorship in the west, precisely as Prof. Mahbubani has pointed out.

[@immortalideas-fi6kj]

Censorship is part of their system. As much as you Europeans love dictating to other people. Have you heard of Facebook? Go on Facebook.

[@rawangmp8450]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Like asking Europe past Powers to let go their grip in Africa countries to develop. 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

[@rogelee-TW]

👍👍👍👍👍✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️

[@johnm7267]

You cannot criticise Israel in America now it carries a huge fine or jail sentence.

[@fungames24]

The professor seems to be saying Mao wasn't a good general because he had to fight. Evidence suggests this belief can't be right. Mao's fighting ability as well as his confirmed achievements are clear for all to see. Perhaps the professor really meant Mao wasn't a good general but he was a brilliant emperor?

[@kamikaze1888]

When there is a choice, choosing not to fight is wise. But China at that time had NO choice, it was divided and invaded. Mao brought everything back in one piece.

[@fungames24]

@@kamikaze1888 Mao did have a choice. He could choose to lay down, smoke opium, and win. But, he was brilliant enough to see through the stupidity of winning without fighting. In the fiction, the enemy was always very stupid. The real enemy was not.

[@thewaterway6347]

@@kamikaze1888 well explained 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌

[@cavendishmontigue3254]

When did he say Mao isn’t a good general ? Pls read his script . Mao wasn’t mentioned in his response at all

[@fungames24]

@@cavendishmontigue3254 He said good generals win without fighting. Mao had to fight. So, he couldn't be a good general. The russian Zhukov could not be a good general either, he had to fight. Like wise for Montgomery and Patton. Further back, Napoleon, Nelson, etc, had no end of fighting.

[@grouchypatch9185]

Whyte is very condescending.

[@gohsiewhau4819]

Believe me, west informal censorship is worse than fomal censorship. This western lady thinks she is knowledgeable,in fact she is not. The ay she put across her questions to Kishore showed how closed minded n biased she is.

[@MostHigh777]

This guy is really a laughing stock in the academic community. He's gotten everything wrong and it's working out exactly the opposite of what he said and for reasons he never covered.

[@jungao228]

不战而屈人之兵 这个人真的懂中国，有点儿可怕

[@abdulibnmusa1489]

This Singaporean Professor that I once adored and respected, very unfortunately, doesn't recognize nor believe the repression of the Uygur Muslims and the atrocities, persecution and human rights violations being committed against the Uygurs by the Chinese government and communist party... this is simply a distortion of the truth and facts of what's happening on ground in China... hence, this is sadly misinformation by the Professor aimed at misleading us away from the truth. And supposedly, the Professor will equally deny what's happening on ground in India by supporting the evil modi plus the BJP / RSS fanatics and fascists ideology that these groups perpetrate by continuing with their atrocities and persecution of the Muslim minority in India. Indeed this is very sad. I challenge by urging the Professor to visit Western China and Hindu majority ruled states in India in order to see with his own eyes on what's actually happening on ground against the Muslim minority. Thank you.

[@bing2053]

If you want to believe Anglo saxson’s lies about Xinjiang, that is you personal decision. BUT if you criticize this professor by using Anglo-Saxon’s lies, it calls bias. Asked yourself how many lies has made by Anglo-saxon?