Dollar Liquidity Flooding Ahead, Sovereign Debt Crisis Looms - How to Monetize Chaos: Jack Mallers

[@idesofmarchUNIAEA]

His words match reality. This is the most precise analysis I have heard in a long time.

[@KarlLueder-b2y]

Really Smsrt. Our Future of America. Well communicated. Thank you. 🇱🇷

[@eltea3592]

Honest talk great interview and superb job not talking over each other. First class interview as always

[@Cargozen]

Clearer than every other guests! Congrats!

[@flintbeckstone7004]

I learned so much about money and Jack has really educated me about advantages and functionality of bitcoin. Makes so much sense. Michelle was a great advocate in thus interview 😊

[@tqpro]

Excellent interview, Jack is so eloquent with breaking down complex ideas into simple to understand terms.

[@HyperspaceHoliday]

I like listening to this kid. Fresh ideas without hearing the same old lines from "experts" who have said the same thing year in year out.

[@snowyowl6892]

@@IamaNewCreature … he could pass for 18 !! (boyish )

[@P__114]

Jack is next level.

[@HyperspaceHoliday]

@@IamaNewCreature exactly. He is not some boomer reciting the same doomsday warning week in week out for the last 2 decades

[@robstrickland166]

but there are holes in his thinking, USA are no longer in the box seat, bitcoin is not a currency that any country uses, USA this USA that, the world no longer fears USA, no longer cares USA, yes at present USA will affect things globally, but that could change very soon, Brics is growing, make a America great, only in their own eyes, Brics poses an enormous threat to the dollar reserve currency, the world looks toward America only as a "when will it crash", these are precarious times, the only thing certain is the uncertainty, empires crash, this empire will crash and burn, JADDP

[@kaare65]

Brilliant 💯

[@etherealradar]

Ugh, I forgot how brilliant this guy is.

[@whothefoxcares]

his parents believed he was so bright that they called him . . . son

[@555frontier]

He didn’t say anything new really

[@user-ej2xz2sw1w]

But his parents did . . . son​

[@joez.2794]

Read the comments, fast-forward looking for older guy with at least a collar on his shirt, read the comments again, decide to listen anyway, pleasantly surprised.

[@KarlLueder-b2y]

Jack Mallers is brilliant and explains the importance of this new asset class is so important.

[@AlejandroOjedaN]

The interviewer asked excellent, intelligent questions. Well done!

[@Maksimkorolev-x7w]

Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge about trading.

[@jayworley1583]

We are in a fiscally dominate time which is also called Modern Monetary Theory without the taxation to bring down inflation. I like this guy.

[@bunsw2070]

How does Bitcoin solve anything? It's impossible to price and if you can't price it it's pure gambling. Nobody knows where crypto came from (save me the urban myth). It most likely is an invention by the 5 eyes plus Israel intelligence agencies to trick people into accepting a digital currency. This guy is just selling his book.

[@edwardkierklo9757]

Pertinent point. Are we in a de facto MMT theory fiscal environment even though no official acknowledgment?

[@Nazar33]

The inflation is the tax. It's a tax on everyone

[@cryptochronic2981]

Very inspirational.

[@jax-sx9pk]

The way Jack presented his thoughts on using bitcoin as a strategic reserve asset to back the currency to climb out of debt is excellent logic.

[@TerryAShaw]

Quite the show and guest, thanks Michelle.

[@Richardson_Mg]

I love this woman

[@21SpielSatsSieg21]

She doesn’t know about you 😂

[@frandithgimenz5920]

So every straight man

[@actualfacts1055]

Bitcoin doesn't store energy, it's not a battery.

[@lucaspaciello866]

Nice video coverage, in trading, possessing technical analysis skills is not sufficient on its own; discipline and emotional maturity play crucial roles in achieving success. Embracing the mindset of "time in the market vs. timing the market" proves valuable, especially during market fluctuations. I attribute my growing daily earnings to Shea Ardolf's valuable insights and daily trade signals, coupled with my commitment to continuous learning. Kudos to the journey ahead!

[@lucaspaciello866]

Shea Ardolf program is widely available online..

[@dorothyweller7736]

Nice to see this here..Her expertise in technical analysis and chart interpretation has been instrumental in my trading success. ., she has definitely delivered solutions well above my expectations.

[@alfredjones3984]

Thank you for the awareness here on youtube, it shows how much you want all traders to progress as I have been thinking of selling my btc.

[@normandholland8374]

Without a doubt! Shea Ardolf is a trader who goes above and beyond. She has an exceptional skill for analyzing market movements and spotting profitable opportunities. Her strategies are meticulously crafted based on thorough research and years of practical experience.

[@bonoculars951]

Simply put. A good talk.

[@srodriguez1337]

Michelle ❤. She's the best. I can listen to her for everything 😊

[@michaelberico7141]

She always has a way of breaking things down and asking the questions I would want to ask! She knows her audience well!

[@yourfriendlygamedev]

Never heard this guy before, but he is definitely correct.

[@Bufford2024]

Bring this guy back soon and often. He is pretty crisp financially and has a good grip on the looming doom loop. 🎉

[@jancizmarik4345]

He is wrong in one thing. Ban of Japan said they will not hike as long as markets are stable. Now markets had a huge run up, than they can hike again...

[@Bufford2024]

@jancizmarik4345 No one gets it right. Life is messy, opinions are clean and neat ... and mostly wrong. Does not change good content ... however.

[@moneroai]

the kid is literally reading of a script...

[@Bufford2024]

@@moneroai Sure Fluffy. You try that. Waiting for your 15 seconds of fame ... errr ... flames.

[@thomasmahoney9748]

Raise your hand if you think we will have a USD in 5 years?

[@cellis921]

I fucking love this kid. Absolute genius

[@nicholassilver8561]

You are probably the best interviewer, informed but curious Congratulations on a fabulous program

[@romanmiles7403]

EXCELLENT . . . SMART YOUNG MAN

[@dek2000utube]

Jack sees clearly and is an excellent Guide. Michelle, thanks always for your grace, keen mind, and powerful questions.

[@bestprice1776]

Smart guy.... Bitcoin ❤

[@robinandthedog]

Woot, my two long time favorite financial influencers in one broadcast, traditional media is dead. Applause.

[@mrbmrb5822]

When we finally see a 40% stock market crash Bitcoin will go down 60%

[@BigHotSauceBoss69]

@@mrbmrb5822 a rude awakening awaits you

[@user-xg6yc8ho3w]

​@@mrbmrb5822 Good. I'll load up.

[@patrickgallagher213]

This guy makes a TON of common sense!!!!!

[@davidspears8486]

“Physical” bitcoin makes no sense 1st hand ownership Actual Non-custodian ownership Self-held But btc isn’t physical …ever

[@billjacobs386]

That was fun! Thanks Guys

[@CDmatt]

I’m an old fart I prefer conducting commerce with people not machines. It is a little odd how young people seem more touchy feely but not with their money. We older people would rather hold some Silver or Gold in our hand, maybe we are more touchy feely.

[@nerradnevar]

Brilliant!

[@andreakonig2410]

I absolutely loved this interview! Thank you for helping me understand I need to be in Bitcoin! I just wished I invested when my son told me about Bitcoin when it was only $13.00 per Bitcoin!

[@johnhemphill1938]

Michelle, you are amazing, outstanding job outstanding

[@kitco]

Thank you so much

[@Dinesh-e5d]

Get over it ,the USD days are fast approaching a sad ending.. as a reserve currency. Weaponising your currency is the final nail in the coffin.

[@juanderful149]

Great analogy with the Tickets; devalued then pay back. Crazy!

[@angelsoul3359]

I’m SURE every member of congress wouldn’t buy up all the remaining BTC just before passing a “strategic BTC reserve”.😂

[@dacruztrading]

Finally something says the truth... Dont call it Bitcoin... just Called it "Liquidity Index", it's more to the point. Great guy to follow.

[@myeviljewels6539]

That was a bloody good show. Thank you Michelle. The more I listen to Jack Mallers the more I want him to be more and more successful. I believe in the power of BTC and have done for several years now. Do yourself a favour and buy some.

[@michaelberico7141]

"It might catch on!"

[@badrakhariunchimeg1031]

It's average sorted gem

[@stevenoak-Elbitcoinero]

I bought my first bitcoin on robinhood because it easy. I could not take it off at that time. But once I had some bitcoin I continued to learn on how self custody and finally I found Strike where I can easily buy and move it to my wallets including a hardware wallet. So I think however a person starts they can learn and change. And bitcoin doesn't care.

[@ivorytickle]

This was very good, woof!!! Both Michelle and Jack took the perfect amount of space and made great points! Thank you Kitco

[@sheluvsdarling6]

love his smile, thank bring him to the show

[@drajdew1664]

This guy has drank the btc coolaid😂

[@shawnwolfe7577]

And he's become richer with every sip.

😂 Bitcoin!! 😺 Baby!! 🐥💕🍼

@@shawnwolfe7577 And 🤡🇺🇲 🤑 so will you, Bitcoin Rollercoaster 🎢 Ride 🤔🌎👍❤️💯 Bitcoin Baby 🐥💕🍼💯

[@lifeisgood5410]

And your drinking Fiat water

[@TeddyBess]

True but. At least he's not pissing his life away on tic toc.

[@g00d-news]

Jack rocks... So much..🎉😊

[@JohnDoe-qz3qi]

No problem. Just keep printing!!

[@majo9042]

Thanks to this administration 😢😢😢 . Just wait to see the dominium machines from Venezuela give a victory to Kamala them we will be like them😢😢😢.

[@Kingofthehill84]

Can you imagine a piece of bread costing you $100 😅😂

[@pessi6185]

​@@majo9042You won't be like Venezuela. Venezuela will be joining BRICS soon where they can trade their enormous oil reserves free from illegal US sanctions 🎉🎉🎉

[@snowyowl6892]

@@majo9042✅✅✅

[@snowyowl6892]

Jack’s physiognomy is interesting … Check out two sides of his face ….. Right side is dropped Left side is elevated Right (his) = the world Left (his). =.the “divine” “spirit” (God) …this man’s emphasis is clearly with the “divine”.

[@mikecummings3611]

Oil is money

[@JanRiffler]

When grandma Yellen hears this, she'll seize all of Jack's money.

[@_JimmyBeGood]

Sounds funny but they are coming for all of us. There is no other way.

[@ascendrio]

I wish her good luck, because Jack only owns Bitcoin

[@snowyowl6892]

@@ascendrio👍👍👍

[@sjohnson4285]

😭😂😭😂 Crying lol 💀

[@michaelberico7141]

She can't, he holds eveything in BTC! His key, his coins!!

[@andrevieira5729]

Excellent show ❤

[@ZLFLG30]

Jack is so good. He totally gets it.

[@davevasuta]

Great performance by an intellegent guest.

[@mazeman01]

You're a great interviewer Michelle.

[@mikecummings3611]

Gold is fine

[@Tyler-so8yl]

I didn't come here for Taylor Swift jokes... but I appreciate them none-the-less.

[@hammerhead19able]

😂😂😂😂.

[@artoriuscinggisqahan382]

Who is that boy Taylor Swift?

[@andrewvare3173]

Came for the bitcoin sermon, stayed for the Taylor swift jokes.

[@Greg-b3b]

CIA COIN tanks every time the markets get spooked. It behaves like an equity.

[@CharlesChristian-cc7dw]

One of your best podcast ever. Great guest. Love the way you challenge every guest and force them to give you their best.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

The US has finally come to terms with never owning Russia, so now they're building the Biggest Stack of BTC in the WORLD. Grandiose Ego, perhaps? 💯

[@RobEGR19]

Jack and Michelle…fantastic!

[@danielpepmeier4263]

Great video thank you

[@johnwilmann921]

Love this young man’s perspective on Macroeconomics

[@peaceandfreedomeconomics8984]

He's a crypto fraudster.

[@michaelberico7141]

He is spot on. The Treasury and The Fed are in no win situations! The ONLY answer is to debase the dollar! BTC to the moon!!

[@duncanwallace7241]

I highly recommend that you read Arthur Hayes Medium articles which today’s guest spoke about. 25:10

[@duncanwallace7241]

Lyn Alden and Arthur Hayes are must reads if you wish to intelligently navigate today’s financial environment. A dash of Ray Dalio as a garnish is satiating to my financial appetite.

[@davedave4442]

Well done. promoting the mark of the beast. Well done,, Jack!

[@mhm925]

the U.S dollar?

[@michellerenee1487]

CBDC is the money of the mark of the beast. Bitcoin gold and silver are the way outside of the beast system.

[@c1s1125]

​@@michellerenee1487 $DMTR & $MNW are how you unplug from the Matrix.

[@davedave4442]

@@michellerenee1487 Bit coin groundwork is laying the foundation of the mark of the beast. physical gold and silver as the medium of paying for goods and services.

[@graceamsterdam5404]

In between remark: volatility is activity is VALUE ‼️ The more volatility the more transactions, the more value. TRADE IS VALUE ‼️From a marketing perspective (which is my background) we have entered the next wave of technology, of the internet: THE INTERNET OF VALUE of which bitcoin is a main player. Value is trust. The decentralisation of bitcoin, of the blockchain technology (designed accordingly) is TOTAL TRUST.

[@HeDe-o2j]

I love this guy's positivity on Bitcoin. I hope it plays out.

[@guypage4962]

❤ Great guy, great show ! ❤

[@fontane007]

Sorry but I still cannot get round the fact that Bitcoin is just a digital number, it’s not real. There maybe one day in the future where you’ll hear it in the news that a quantum computer or AI has cracked the encryption and the value will plummet to zero. I don’t feel that will ever happen to real assets such as Gold and Silver. Another thing that troubles me is the secrecy behind the creator of bitcoin sitoshi. Nobody else think it’s strange that this secretive name who nobody knows who they really are,does it not worry you?

[@mikaelsandin8634]

Bitcoin is as real as the US dollar and the other Fiat currencies that exist. As for Satoshi not being a known person is just a positive thing. That makes Bitcoin truly decentralized and also makes it impossible for government agencies to attack the leader of Bitcoin.

[@cultleader3572]

​@@mikaelsandin8634governments steal people Bitcoin all the time

[@StevenLeeMusician]

@@mikaelsandin8634 "Bitcoin is as real as the US dollar and the other Fiat currencies" Uh...you don't see the problem with that statement?

[@senturi9645]

In short US is 🔩’D ….with over $35T ins debt and endless printing …..GONE GONE GONE 😢

[@JimJamJuicy]

Jack mallers is a legend nice one Michelle

[@dsflat6785]

Does Stike even hold people BTC one to one ? Jack could be the next Sam Bankman Fraud 🤔

[@redkrawler]

Legend? Paid Actor by the CIA

[@virajelix]

@@dsflat6785 You simply don't understand the difference.

[@josepha.3059]

"Legend" hahahha😅

[@brucerobtoy2888]

If you can't hold it in your hand right now then you don't own it. Bitcoin needs electricity to exit and can vanish in less than a second.

[@NDrewCampbell]

kind of funny that Swan is sponsoring. Every time Jack said Strike, they flashed Swan ad on screen

[@nathanaelmccasland2349]

Been watching you for years and always appreciate your interviews and guest. Thank you Michelle. Keep up the amazing work. So much VALUE every time I tune in.

[@kellyconner4122]

Love u jack keep up the good work

[@educaciónonline-1]

I love Michelle 😘

[@jessicapae9642]

@@educaciónonline-1 she really is a good journalist

[@AndyMacaskill]

Yells from the back of the audience "I love her more!" (I'm thinking of an Allison Krauss live album)

[@blkirish88]

I’m sure she’s very infatuated with you as well

[@majorpayne8373]

Michelle is the best at keeping us abreast of things.

[@anomadhunter]

Danielle de Martino puts forward more fullsome and well rounded points in every discussion.

[@rb4497]

​@MystiqWisdom😂😂😂😂

[@bellakrinkle9381]

They are Fearful 😰 I'd say FREAKED OUT.

[@graybush10]

I'll never let go Jack

[@mruncletheredge]

😂😂😂😂

[@_JimmyBeGood]

😂😂😂😂

[@etherealradar]

Print me like one of your fiat currencies 😂

[@michaelberico7141]

LOL!! Very clever!!

[@Alwayslearning426]

Jack Mallers... ❤

[@TheCJUN]

I like the idea of Bitcoin. But I like gold (and silver) more.

[@joeharvie8362]

Keep studying.

[@FluffyBunnySlippers]

You’re a boomer

[@edwarddelee4993]

You might like litecoin digital silver

[@naturallyyours3718]

Catch the game. They are creating a whole new ASSET class to get out of trouble. Check the charts of both gold and Bitcoin......no comparison. Gold has nothing to do with AI/TECHNOLOGY. This is the only way out.

[@21SpielSatsSieg21]

Look at your infinite shiny rocks and try to bring them over borders in a huge amount

[@LawrenceYork]

Japan should do nothing and continue to let higher US rates pay their debt service costs. 25bps vs 4.0% in US. US has managed to walk down market rates giving Fed cover to adjust rates to market rate so dropping gradually by 1% should not be a big deal so long as rate of inflation growth is downward. Also cuts will help commercial RE problem, stimulate the housing market and help Harris get relected.

[@dalebend2831]

His understanding is different than others, he expression is a level above others yet the system is so complex few really understand the truth behind the manipulation behind all of it.

[@serenitycoastUK]

You can only sell your bit coin to someone who wants it. All these snake oil salesmen have traded their spend anywhere money to cryto and trying to sell it to you. All crytos will go to 0 one day. Just like NFTs and all the rest of the stuff. Gold is real houses are real they have real material uses. Cryto is an expensive spread sheet that's all.

[@edhammond6911]

Hyperinflation is coming

[@_JimmyBeGood]

No really bad inflation is coming but not hyperinflation at least here in the states. The dollar is the reserve and everything is pegged to it so it can’t hyper inflate.

[@edhammond6911]

@@_JimmyBeGood I beg to differ but we can agree to disagree. I hope you’re right

[@cryptocrusader6078]

@@_JimmyBeGood Dollar about to get dumped

[@burgsymalone8269]

Hyperinflation is never going to come as long as the U.S holds the key to the money printer and the rate adjustment meter AND as long as other countries suffer in response to this key and meter.

[@edhammond6911]

53 people disagreed with you

[@stevestout9315]

The Truth finally. The only way.

[@symonpeters4431]

Great conversation. Spot on with all his views. USD liquidity event in the dial and ready to rock and roll the planet!!

[@cormacomalley1936]

Very informative

[@aegisonms]

jack is simply the best, clear cogent thinking.

[@MK-dz1ur]

The US just need to stop money printing in order to support the dollar.

[@cal48koho]

Michelle's brain is dazzling!

[@bellakrinkle9381]

The only way the FED can not default is to keep the rates higher so they can pay everyone back using higher priced dollars. They are in a CATCH22. 😮😮😅

[@salsabus1]

Politicians were as down to earth as Jack Maller we would have had a beatiful country.

[@sc3639]

If people were as down to earth as Jack Maller then we would have a beautiful country.

[@Libertarian100000000]

Government loves we the people listen to them they love you!

[@Pid75]

Maybe im just old and im probably wrong,but no matter how hard I try I cant see the longterm case for Bitcoin. Please convince me. A few thoughts… a fixed supply is actually a problem. 1) How does borrowing work. If you borrow in Bitcoin, do you pay interest in Bitcoin? If so, where do the new bitcoins come from to pay the interest. Do we build a fractional system on top of bitcoin as the reserve currency? 2) If GDP increases then the same amount of bitcoin is spread among more goods. Hence the price of goods fall relative to Bitcoin ie deflation. People would rather horde Bitcoin than spend it, because it will buy more in the future. Therefore even less Bitcoin is in circulation causing a vicious circle until everyone is hoarding and no one is spending bitcoin (kind of like now). You’re counter arguments are genuinely appreciated 😊

[@whatsitgoingtobetheneh]

Some thoughts: 1. I don't think the optimal use case for Bitcoin has been established yet. Is it digital cash? Is it digital gold? People may hold strong opinions on Bitcoin's proper function, but I don't think there's certainty on this topic yet. Time will tell. 2. On the issue of lending, Cantor Fitzgerald is now offering Bitcoin financing. So holding Bitcoin allows you to borrow not Bitcoin, but dollars. Maybe Bitcoin can co-exist with the dollar (I know some people might hate me for saying this). 3. It seems to me that the impact of technology on the free market is deflationary. Not only are we creating more efficient means of production, but more and more physical products are being made available in cyberspace; more and more hardware items are becoming software items. Maps, calculators, flashlights, cameras, camcorders, telephone lines, TV cables, etc have all been dematerialized and are accessible through mini super computers we all have in our pockets. Maybe it's best for our monetary system to move in the same direction that technology is taking us. Instead we have an inflationary monetary system that's created massive asset bubbles that are ripe for massive deflationary shocks that are certain to cause alot of pain. Perhaps the great depression and the great financial crisis wouldn't have been possible with a monetary system where deflation happens gradually on a set schedule that's set in code and you can plan around. 4. We don't know a world without fractional reserve banking. All we can do right now is theorize how things could work in another paradigm and speculate on whether things would be better or worse. There's alot to say on this topic, but that's enough for now.

[@HANZELVANDERLAAY]

Your .missing the SATOSHI...factor...a Bitcoin can be split into a lot of SATOSHIs.. perfect....one Satoshi buy a Starbucks coffee....and perhaps..we can even go a percentage of a SATOSHI...so 21 million...by 10 million Satoshi..by percentage of satoshis...and ow..they cannot be counterfeited...and they are recognized around the world...seems perfect...just no derivatives... That is not allowed.. period

[@AndyMacaskill]

It's something I wonder about too. I think the idea is that if there is only so much bitcoin then it is objectively valuable and everything else is subjectively valuable or valueless. There is still the problem of it only being objectively valuable through confidence, because it's obviously not an object.

[@Handelson]

Did you mention the intangibility factor? In my mind, with the advent of AI and advanced hacking, how come more people are. not talking about this issue? Does everyone believe BTC is un-hackable?

[@c1s1125]

All of you guys missed the boat. Bitcoin is a network. The most powerful unstoppable unhackable uncontrollable network on earth. Every government has every incentive to stop it and they can't. That's something no government can simulate with any amount of money because Bitcoin is a singular event. It is the first Crypto.

[@harrisng3041]

👌🇯🇵JAPAN AND ITS SURVIVAL. 👍Japan is moving closer to China to trade and to study together with China on how to design a glorious governing system. Note that yet another Prime Minister has just resgned. This is clear evidence that Democrazy is not good for Japan. ... Harris Ng YM 💐Japan needs China and China loves Japan. 💰 Both China and Japan are together in selling US Debts and,.....use that money to buy gold ! 💐🎵😀🐉🦅

[@stevehalverson790]

I’m a conservative Republican and in the past I invested a lot of time consuming political news. I’m now disillusioned as I don’t see much difference between the parties. Now I spend that time studying bitcoin.

[@davep7849]

Hence Trump

[@michaelberico7141]

I'm with you, Brother! I'm hopeful Trump wins and is as successful again as he was in his first term. But even if he doesn't, I believe WHOLEHEARTEDLY" in BTC, regardless who is in office! Fix the money, fix the world!!

[@Jcole000123]

@@davep7849and then Trump proceeds to appoint a deep state Never Trumper who has done nothing but piss off every woman he possible can to throw the election the way of the UniParty

[@Pid75]

@@stevehalverson790 dont expect politicians to solve your problems. The best they can do is to create an environment where individuals can create a good life for themselves. The rest is up to individuals. Of course, this lot of politicians can’t (or dont want to) even do that.

[@joemama69448]

Left wing and right wing both belong to the same bird.

[@jasongoodwin387]

I just posted the same thing on my linked in, had a nap to catch up for the next trading week, and then found this video.

[@DonBrott-jz8it]

WE LOVE THIS MAN. thanks for having him on. HE NAILS IT with honesty and integrity

[@adilhakam887]

How? he is a kid promoting a faster collapse of the dollars, your society is a product of the dollars not of bitcoin, just look at how he began the interview all happy and was so sad by the time Michelle brought him back to the ground

[@tinkerland-007]

Fantastic…..

[@brunobottarelli855]

Best interview ever! Congrats.

[@lupic3157]

GOAT Jack

[@pennylovedance9890]

We are in a depression! Average people can't even afford groceries. Many people are fasting multiple days a week.

[@livestore2990]

So true, this is worse than the Great Depression of the 1930's; and they call this a recession..how ridiculous!

[@boldyo]

That’s ok as 80% of the population is overweight.

[@oliyahavrylov446]

Fasting is good for you

[@sammycalamia2813]

@@oliyahavrylov446true, too bad people are doing it out of necessity rather than choosing to do so.

[@stephenbrody2717]

@@oliyahavrylov446😂yes they are becoming more healthy and it is being for them. Most people don’t have the will power to do it. Inflation is giving them the gift of fasting.