Who is the Snow Witch? | Elden Ring

Discussing the identity of Ranni's mysterious mentor. #eldenring
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
00:51 Background on the Rises
03:08 Intro to Renna
04:45 Wraith Callers?
05:50 Marionette puppet?
06:17 Heretical Rise
07:13 Consecrated Snowfields in connection to the Snow Witch
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[@arglebargle42]

Renna is my favorite enduring mystery in Elden Ring, and this video has more info and speculation than any of the other lore channels. Thank you so much for putting all of this together and presenting it so beautifully!

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much for your generous tip!! 🩵💙 And that is such high praise to hear, thank you for the lovely compliment!

[@Kaotix666]

😊😊

[@Kaotix666]

😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@Kaotix666]

Mf idk how I pocket typed that

[@kcojco]

My off the wall theory Renna-grandmother to Ranni, mother to Rennala and Sellen. Sellen and Rennala look ALOT alike in their pictures. 🤷‍♀️

[@kitetales]

Love the idea that Renna could be Rennala’s mother!

[@baraka490]

sisters doesn't mean blood family but those are close like witches some times call themselves as sisters and wizards are brothers

[@kitetales]

That's true! Hadn't thought about that, and yes all the prominent female sorcerers had earned the title of witch. Definitely has coven vibes!

[@jbark678]

It would be interesting if Ranni, Rennala, and Renna were a triple goddess analog as the maiden, the mother, and the crone respectively. Sellen could also fill the maiden position if she is indeed a carian princess. It would solidify their link to the moon and might imply that there's a half-moon lurking somewhere.

[@kitetales]

I love the idea of it but I feel the game makes it clear that Renna isn’t attached to the moon like Rennala and Ranni are.

[@wjr4700]

Wow, what a great job! Way to take all these intricately weaved webs and line them up. I always felt like Renna might have been Renallas mother. Like a tradition kept secret due to the Golden Order. But sister/aunt fits just as well.

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much!! Yeah I really like the idea of Renna being Ranni’s grandmother, definitely opens up a lot of room to explore Rennala’s family history that way too! 💙

[@scholaroftheworstgame3313]

Great job indeed! Renna as Rennala's mother and Ranni's grandmother has always made the most sense to myself for a number of reasons, from the replies it seems this theory is more popular than I'd thought. As for the other princesses in that case, I believe they were all non-demigod children that Rennala had prior to meeting Radagon. It's never said one way or another whether Radagon was her first consort as well as whether or not the three demigods were her first children. That they alone are members of Marika's family explains the disproportionate attention paid to them under Golden Order hegemony. Explanations as to why the pre-Radagon princesses are all dead and gone I think might have to do with the rather grim implications of the cuckoo motif/metaphor vis a vis the life history of european cuckoos.

[@Nazrael]

Love your videos! :) My personal theory is that Renna/The Snow Witch is actually the Gloam Eyed Queen who survived her defeat and retreated to obscurity. Her paths cross with Ranni at one point, she sees Ranni's potential, and proceeds to teach her cold magic. Beyond that, their relationship became close enough that Renna taught Ranni the truth about Marika's regime and what had been done to the Elden Ring and Destined Death. Ranni was born in a Lands Between without death at the height of Marika's rule, so where would she have learned the truth of Destined Death? All mentions of the Gloam Eyed Queen only say she was defeated, not killed. I think it would be neat 😅 Looking forward to more of your Lies of P videos

[@kitetales]

Thanks so much! 💙

[@Writh811]

With regards to the Frozen Needle. This was likely made in service to Ranni's warriors. Inspite of how small her entourage is by present time she apparently did have "warriors" of her own whom used cold based techniques. This is revealed via the Ash of War: Ice Spear - "Skill of the warriors who served Lunar Princess Ranni. Spin armament to release cold magic, then channel it into a piercing spear of ice." It's interesting that this ash of war is recovered from a Night's Cavalrymen.

[@jbark678]

Morgott used the calvarymen to fight great enemies of the erdtree, so it makes sense that they might carry a trophy of victory.

[@Writh811]

@@jbark678 Well that is the most obvious solution, especially since they don't actually use it which reduces the chances of that knight being a defector. But it means that Ranni had warriors devoted to her and all but Blaidd, Iji, Adula, and Selivus may have been wiped out by the Night's Cavalry. I can't help but feel bad for Ranni's old warriors since Night's Cavalry would have been founded after the Shattering and according to ingame dialogue, until right before we came to the Lands Between Ranni hadn't appeared in the Lands Between since the Night of Black Knives. Her loyal warriors had been abandoned. In spite of the community's affection for her Ranni is actually kinda heartless and does not reward or really honor loyalty. Even when we go for her ending she tries to discard us, Iji, and Blaidd prior to killing her Fingers. Also I question just how machiavellian she really is in her plotting. Think about it for a second, what was her plan after tossing everyone away save for Adula? She killed her fingers but what real agency does her plot have if we don't show up and insist ourselves on her? Was her plan to support Adula in becoming Elden Lord? I mean she did have that Moonlight Greatsword ready to go already so it must have originally been meant for someone else and through means of magic Adula demonstrates some ability to wield a sword that has cold power attached... That last bit about her plan and Adula is popping in my head as I type but holy crap was Ranni's original plan to give Adula her Moonlight Greatsword, effectively marrying Adula and use the Dragon to overthrow the Golden Order? (Might explain why the first time we fight Adula they bail rather than die, gotta preserve the plan) Sorry for the ramble.

[@copyninja8756]

This gave me chills. So well done

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much!!

[@andrewwalden2005]

On the whole body swapping thing with Renna; we actually do just this during the sellan quest line with the primal glintstone. The nox also have their own connection to making puppets. Sellen Sellia - night sorceries Selivus

[@shivernaut9884]

You're one of my favorite lore channels very underrated. And i think i can actually endorse this theory about renna! So bonus.

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much, that is such high praise!! :)

[@maffa2849]

A few notes. I saw another video that theories that Marika and the Numen landed in Nokron and Nokstella with their "galleons" before the Age of the Erdtree. Numens are known for being immortal. Known numens are Marika, and the Black Blades (Tiche and her mother Alecto), which also are part of the Nox, i.e. punished for some sin to live underground under a false sky. We know that Marika made herself a goddess queen and embraced the Erdtree, i.e. the greater Will, and founded the Golden Order. Now, given the fascination of every Numen except Marika for the stars and the moon(s), and given that we even if we do not know how old people are, we do know that Rennalla is at least as old as Radagorn, meaning she has been around when Godfrey was still alive, and her fascination with the moons and the stars, we can surmise she is reeeeally old, as in immortal as well, or in short she is also a Numen or a daughter to Numens. This is also why her children got the Elden Ring shards, and at least Ranni is an empyrean. The thing with Numens is that the most powerful among them can split. Marika did, Miquella did, Morgott did it as well. So Renna could very well be the split of Rennalla... but it would make more sense is Renna were her sister actually: the place *is* called Three Sisters, and the link with Aurelia and Aureliette is strong. And on Sellen: her name in Japanese is Seren (セレン), Renalla is Renara (レナラ) and Renna is Ren (レン), so as you can see they are not that far removed from one another, considering other people in the Carian/Raya Lucaria environs (Seluvis セルブス, Azur, Olivinus, Lusat etc) none comes close to that. So, my guess is that Rennalla had two sisters, Renna and Sellen. She was interested in the full moon, Renna in the dark moon, and Sellen, being the youngest and maybe developing her own sorceries when the Erdtree already obscured the sky, in the primeval currents. They came with the other Numens, and established themselves where the skies were the clearest, up on the mountains, in the town now known as the Stargazing ruins. They helped the Zamor in keeping the fire giants in check, until Marika founded the Golden Order and expanded her influence there as well. So when confronted with Godfrey's own armies, they were called to take a decision: either fold or succumb like the giants did. Rennalla decided to come down south, and founded the Carian royal house in Liurnia, and Sellen followed suit. Renna would come as well and have her own rise behind the manor, but she either locked herself or has been locked nearby her old home for "heresy". But it bears merit looking for her in the eternal cities as well, since there is certainly a connection between the Numen, the stars, the dark moon, the heresy (which might have to do with the black moon, or the invention of the Fingerslayer dagger, or both) and the punishment for the Nox. Now, it can be possible that Godfrey was disposed during this campaign so Marika could send Radagon to woo Rennalla and establish the Carian dinasty, birthing Radahn (Radaan, ラダーン ), Rykard (Raikaado, ライカード) and Ranni (Rani, ラニ), I cant say. Last mention: there is another creature with four arms: the finger reading crones...

[@Runningwritingreading]

I love the approach you take my favorite takeaways - Converted Towers and the capturing - flower colors are indicative of themes even the non collectable - the tower Rise's as a artificial built foil to the nature Erdtree minor erdtree growing everywhere made to watch them maybe - the invisible bridge having a lore reason is cool

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much! 😊

[@SixBeark]

Omg I am just finding your Elden Ring lore videos and god damn it is so refreshing to finding someone who actually knows how to do a close reading. Great work!

[@mohammedrazaesmail6934]

Vaati has some serious competition.

[@TheRealTetro]

Cool analysis ! Gotta say I really like the idea of a strong relation between the "Renna" character and Rennala because far too many people seem to completely ignore the names being so similar which I find very infuriating, it cannot be random ! The way I see it, either Renna is indeed the name of the snow witch and that most likely means she's a member of the Carian royal family, or it's just some name that Ranni likes and uses when she goes out since we know from Rogier that Ranni's fate is not public knowledge. I can't remember where I heard that but there's a theory that links the seven coffins found behind the illusory wall in the church of the cuckoo could represent those missing "Carian Princesses", nothing concrete there, but I find this place and the named towers to be so intriguing that I really like this theory. Giving a role to Chelona and the rest is cool.

[@Doombuligard]

Incredible story-telling! Just when I think I'm ready to move on from the Elden Ring game, you highlight narratives and observations that compel be to go back and look again with new eyes. Thank you and keep them coming.

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much for your nice feedback, I really appreciate it! :)

[@AnitaSalopek]

Finally, a bit more details about the Carian princesses

[@soulrebelstudios3185]

the only thing i am thinking is sellen isnt a sister to rennala. just because of the naming conventions of the siblings and other main story important characters using g, r or m. It seems not to follow this connection. It seems weird for them to make a one off of a sibiling without that convention. but awesome video really enjoyed it.

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much! I totally agree with you; I don’t think Sellen is her sister but just wanted to mention it as a theory I had come across! I personally don’t think they look anything alike either

[@SixBeark]

Wow, the arg you make for connection between wrathcaller & renna is something I missed, I like the idea of the constructs as being more pliant versions of the wrath callers

[@doomsdayZen]

fascinating video, and i love the way you put so many pieces together. your attention to detail amazes me because when i see blue flowers, i see blue flowers, but you recognize the underlying symbolism. this is why i enjoy your videos so much! i also downloaded lies of p, and if there is any interesting lore worth a video, i'd love to see it!

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much!! Oh my gosh YES! Let me know how you like it; so far I'm enamored. It hits a lot of the things I love!

[@Shaa-Gi]

Oh boy I've been waiting for this video (and to hear your relaxing voice) also i have a feeling that ranni may have named her master since almost all of the characters that are related have similar names. And if her master was a marionette they from what I've seen don't generally have names so she may have given her one fitting of the Royal family

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much!! 🌝 I like that theory of Ranni being the one to name her! That would totally explain Iji’s side comment about her Rise as well.

[@SixBeark]

The light pollution from the erdtree causing it to wither on the vine makes a lot of sense as a sort of inversed metaphor of a growing plant - which sort of makes sense in terms of why cold would be stifled by the warmth of the erdtree.

[@knife_em0ji]

glad i came across this video, super interesting stuff. the color of the flowers is something i would have never noticed! i love how mysterious some aspects of ER are and Ranni introducing herself as Renna initially is probably one of my favorite ones. it made me think twice about everything we learn about her throughout the game.

[@lilstamp08]

This was fantastic.

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much!! 🙏

[@ravendelacour1917]

I also came to the conclusion that Renna was a family member but I thought she might be an older one like a grandmother who still lived in the mountains after Rennela left. This would make the cold sorcery the original ancestral magic and the lunar magic a later system that Rennela gained after meeting her moon. At some point Renna approaches Ranni to teach Ranni the family's older magic. This is why Renna fears Ranni's moon as Rennala's moon took her away from the family.

[@bidogobedelhobadalo6263]

loved your channel! Subscribed!

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much!! 💙

[@ABrickinTime]

Love the new content. Please make more about the Carian family. :)

[@Coast2CoastFlyin]

The cold cloud from the ice pots looks very similar to the false night sky in the Eternal Cities, or even the Nightmist spell (more than it does the Freezing Mist spell)

[@SixBeark]

I think flowers might correlate to who died there - imo the glowing blue is where Ranni's blood was spilt.

[@AfkaSound]

Fantastic video. xx

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much! 🥰

[@lumpcrittergravy]

I love these lore stories, and theories

[@pumpa244]

I think Renna is an alterego to Renalla . As a queen she couldnt just go out and do stuff so she had a projection or something. There are a lot of boss characters we can meet multiple times. Maybe even because of the moon . If it was a single entity like a bright side (brilliant and overpowering)and a dark side ( cold and logical) , then Rennala would tech ranni about bright moon and renna would teach her about dark moon .

[@specialnewb9821]

It drives me crazy that the descriptions suggest that the Carian royal line is many generations old AND that Rennala founded it.

[@kitetales]

YES. The timeline of events would make her seemingly centuries old. The Carian timeline doesn’t make sense at all.

[@ephraimthemugwump]

I love how many clues you’ve tied together here to create the theories presented, including some things I’ve wondered about for some time. But regarding the 3 sisters, do we think Rennala was mad enough to turn her own sister, either by blood or by covenant, into a graven mage? Seems rather cold blooded 😉

[@HIRVIism]

Top tier ER content 👍

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much! 🥲

[@killerjoke2945]

4:50 If that's how Ranni in Renna's body will look if she got older then the Tarnished dodged a bullet by marrying the doll version! 😅

[@kitetales]

“Honey, time for your weekly joint oiling!” 🥶

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

🤣

[@MKF30]

Great job kite! always so interesting and informing about the snow witch as well as relaxing! Now I want to take a nap because that was so relaxing! haha. 😊👍 I've been busy with the new MK! Fun game.

[@kitetales]

Thank you as always!! 🥰 Oo nice, hope the new game is everything you’ve hoped for and more!!

[@MKF30]

@@kitetales Oh you bet! Thanks overall I like it, lots to learn! ❤

[@Carl-vx9ws]

The Three Sisters implies there was three sisters either by blood, or by organization or covenant. Chelona’s rise, also asks the question who was this named after? Additionally, there are three structures, each with three statues of women, guarded by a red wolf nearby the rise. This makes me think the sisters could be Renna, Ranni, and ? Some have floated idea that Sellen was the third. I’m uncertain.

[@crystallinecrisis3901]

Going with the sister theory and the idea that cold sorceries could have been frowned upon by the Carian family, Renna could have been ousted from the manor for it. Hence why she met Ranni in the woods. She had to meet her in secret.

[@kitetales]

Yes! I can see GRRM writing her like that too

[@bplus2625]

Did Renna transform the souls of dead children into jellyfish spirits? 🤔 I also like the theory that Renna is the mother of Rennala and grandmother to Ranni.The typical naming convention seems to support that theory.

[@kitetales]

Maybe being a jellyfish was a lesser fate than being a zombie 🪼

[@Photoloss]

Zullie showed unclothed close-ups of Ranni and Wraithcallers, they have different physiology which makes it more likely the connection is just thematic rather than biological: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6GzmZ-KnM90Z5Yfeature=shared&t=131 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKusYqdjqt6EeM0feature=shared&t=67 - since Ranni's layout is very similar to the marionette enemies it's also possible the second pair of arms is an embellishment for practical or cultural reasons rather than a feature of the original snow witch, although the lack of further cultural references is a major point against that interpretation.

[@kitetales]

I so envy the ability to convey so much in a video in so little time!!

[@michaeljohnston8891]

First, I don’t think the Rises were built near the minor Erdtree intentionally. These are supposed to have sprouted after the Shattering, long after Rennala was ousted from power. There’s also a weird connection between the Snow Witch, Mohg’s blood cult, and the Blood Star. Her hat is supposed to have been modeled off those worn by heretical sorcerers. The only other wizard hat we know is connected to heretical sorcerers is Alberich’s hat, who specialized in thorn sorcery and used red glintstone, which given the nature of glintstone, must be related to the Blood Star somehow. The Greathood’s description also has a bit of an unreliable narrator, who clearly saw something strange in the sky and deduced it was Rennala’s guiding moonlight. However, this unreliable narrator seems to be Esgar, one of Mohg’s fanatics that we fight in the sewers. I still don’t have a solid answer on what the connection might be, but it is strange nonetheless. On the topic of heretical sorcery, I think that cold sorcery came to be more accepted after Radagon’s and Rennala’s marriage, while Thorn sorcery came to be seen as taboo. The Zamor were heroes of the war with the giants, and now that the Carians were in bed with Marina’s lot, they likely came to be allies. On the other hand, thorn sorcery seems to stem from the giants, as their corpses sprout thorns after death. All the more reason for Radagon to be so secretive, as he seems to be able to manipulate thorns himself. Lastly, with Sellen attempting to restore the primeval current, I think she’s trying to bring the world closer to the stars themselves in pursuit of knowledge. Besides the Eternal Cities, the only other place we find a false night sky is in the weird room in the Academy with a Graven Mass inside, clearly the work of Sellen

[@kitetales]

Really nice ideas, thanks so much for sharing!

[@vlad48329reborn]

One thought I now have is what if Ranni's doll form is the same marionette body Renna may have used. Not just a copy, but her actual body.

[@kitetales]

Yes! I think I lean toward that idea as well!

[@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710]

Great video! the creative storytelling with all the small details feel like fromsoft put a lot of thought in the placement of every color, flora, fauna and even placement of broken structures. kinda random but I wanted to share somewhere, some animals in game have crazy smart ai. Maby it just in my head lol but the area where you get eternal darkness has goats, some female and some male. The males will come up and fight you, but if your like me and unequip your weapons to fistfight like a true champion and show them a crown is warrented by strength, the smart a**es will pretend to run away when your looking, but sneak up on you if your camera isn't on them. Like they keep a grudge and act harmless but are taking advantage of knowing what you'll think and take advantage of it. But not if your looking.

[@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710]

oh I was at Siophra river and I realized That area with mohgwyn mausoleum looks exaclty like a meteor struck rite underneath and the explosion destroyed a bunch of those strange trees that the ancestral followers seems to have a connection to. you can tell by the length of the remaining pale trunks that entire area basically got nuked, with some new formed cliffside and sturdy old stone structures keeping the destruction levels lower, but in a way you can see what got destroyed. these stone looking trees im sure are depicted as the stone pillars in those depictions can light with fire. The ancestral followers and the other bodies of dead animals are not present because they were absorbed by these trees for the next part of their own faith. The souls would travel up into the lands between eventually even further and become the stars. When you look at the pictures, pay very close attention to the blue particles because they are part of the picture. they are the souls and the stone beings are the vessels. they had a path of existence that lived natural lives until they would pass on to become stars(symbolized by boats leaving at the top).This is very important because someone did not like this process and had them nuked. And im not saying the nox did it, but their buildings are bunkers meant for eternally surviving the apocalypse. And then look at selia, another nox bunker. But the biggest meteor of all and possibly one of the first in history created an impact crater so big, it most likey reshaped what the lands between used to look like. Thats why the lands between look all cracked and randomly raised from the other ground levels and of course the massive crater at the center of the map. Theres definitly a few more impact sites but whats cool is you get to see one land, some insight as to why, but my favorite, the direction they came from. Almost the exact direction the sun rises and the moon appears.if you look at the bottom of the preceptors hat, instead of the sun being the center of gravity, your forehead with the symbol of a pretty chaotic looking tree is bending space and the stars around it. The tree that used to exist(not the erdtree, another older tree got nuked.) was so big, that it is or was the center of gravity in this universe. That which commands the stars was nuking civilizations with meteors untill Radahn managed to stop them from what he learned from the alabaster lords, who I theorize rose at the Mohgwyn impact site, and taught the nox how to use gravity magic and the onyx lords possably rose with the golden meteor?. I think the golden order is imitating the greater will, and the nox are imitating the golden order, learning from them. The beings that can graft what they want onto themselves and each other. "To imitate the imitator is a cunning act indeed". Radagon and Marika, one being is conjoining everything the other shattered everything, outward. I honestly forget which lord does the repelling gravity and which does the pulling in, but i guarentee those are their ancestors from outside the lands between, two opposite halves of the same gravity magic. One trying to spread infinitly and one trying to become whole. I think the die is cast ending in armored core cracked me even more. lol

[@AutismGaming489]

To me, it is likely Renna and Rennala are sisters. I heard a theory by STG that states that Renna is the mother of Rennala. I think the familial relation is possible because characters that don’t have last names have similar names to family members. Devin and Darian. Godwyn and Godfrey. The R siblings and Rennala and Radagon.

[@kitetales]

I really like the idea Renna could be Ranni’s grandmother! The only reason I think they might be sisters is because of the Aurelia and Aureliette tombstones at the Stargazers Ruins; it just seems so pointed a connection to the area in regards to Rennala that I assumed it was a hint about the naming convention for sisters. It’s so hard to know what is relevant for this game’s lore!

[@AutismGaming489]

@@kitetales Ironic that the omen twins’ names start with M for Marika. The Mar in Margit could be a way to remind Morgott the shame he and his mother feel about his curse.

[@shindig9000]

Looking forward to the Lies of P content 🙏

[@kitetales]

YES!! Are you playing through it? I love it.

[@shindig9000]

@@kitetales Had a hard time finding a physical copy, but luckily it came in today so I'm just getting. I'm currently about halfway through what was in the demo.

[@AndreasKurz]

Just wondering... Radagon and Marika had also this strange '2 persons in one' theme goining on. Looking at Ranni with the puppet body and the spirit besides it - maybe it kinda hints at that as well?

[@Tapahtumahorisontti]

Not sure if someone has already mentioned this but Golden Order fettering Carians' fate clearly refers to Radahn

[@kitetales]

I think it preceded Radahn, Astrologers existed before he was born!

[@stoidatdaeva3197]

we need a statue to tell us Renna is ranni :D .. she may have been a half-sister to Ranni, who says rennala didn't cheat on radagon/marika , and thats the real reason they got divorced and the amber egg is the dead body of the renna that died by radagon/marika as a punishment and thats the real reason rennala is so broken and hug it to rebirth the lost daughter .. and the ranni is the last princess , wording of that doesn't contest the idea of another princess . don't mind me, just throwing some random ideas here :D

[@PatheticApathetic]

Love these videos, Kite! Future reference, though: “draught” is pronounced like “draft”

[@kitetales]

This is the kind of feedback I crave!! 😆Thank you!!

[@PatheticApathetic]

@@kitetales I got your back, man lol

[@MoonisHavn]

Fun video.

[@Pygmy_Warrior]

"Godwyn would eventually meet his end during the Night of Black Knives. Seeking to be free from her fate as a pawn of the Greater Will, Godwyn's step-sister Lunar Princess Ranni stole a fragment of the rune of death from Maliketh, imbuing the weapons of Numen assassins with the rune. Ranni wished to shed her Empyrean body but preserve her spirit, which meant that someone else's spirit would need to die. Nevertheless, when the assassins fell upon the Royal Capital and murdered Godwyn, his soul was destroyed and left only his soulless body behind. He was the first demigod in history to die since the ascension of Marika to the throne of the Lands Between. Godwyn's death would be the catalyst for the Shattering of the Elden Ring, plunging the kingdom into chaos without the guidance of the Greater Will." - Cut paste from the wiki.

[@counterreaction]

Here we go, another one 😅

[@Driftingsushi]

OMG NEW VIDEO

[@kitetales]

YOU KNOW IT! 🌝

[@valdon116]

Need a Gloam-Eyed Queen video from you next.

[@kitetales]

Oo that will be a piece of work, I really haven't looked into that one at all. It's like hearing about someone you think you should know, but in reality don't even know where to start!

[@valdon116]

@@kitetales there’s a good theory on fextralife called Ranni, Renna, and the Gloam Eyed Queen you should check out by cycersageguy

[@kawaiiamethist]

I prefer the idea that Renna is Rennala's mother.

[@kitetales]

Oh that’s a great theory! Haven’t seen anyone mention that one yet, I love it!

[@minespatch]

Their name is missing two letters, so makes sense.

[@quazymoodo8452]

So I think the nature of Rennala and Radagon's story is very much meant to be an allegory for the Moon and Sun respectively; they were literally star-crossed lovers, and Radagon, being an agent of the Golden Order, is systemically part of the colonizing light of gold that polluted the Lands Between. I had a theory a while ago that, for the Demigods, the Golden Order keeps them in line by making them wear golden armaments-- Godrick wears golden ribbons and a crown, Malenia wears the golden prosthetics, Godfrey rips off the golden lion that kept his warrior state bound by honor... and Rennala wears a golden crown, and her vision (her "stargazers", if you will), locked eternally in view of the golden amber egg. I also suspect that this isn't just a colonizing force, but is one that grafts their divine authorities to the Erdtree: Grafted, Rot, Greater Willpower (being grafted from the Warrior-King), and from Rennala, the Gaze of the Primeval Current that could map out the Stars (the pantheon of Outer Gods)-- this is why I think the Elden Beast's body contains the visions of the stars across the universe, but it has veins of gold that stretch out, seeking to colonize all the outer reaches of this divine vision. Yet, I think at some point, Radagon's love was legitimate for Rennala-- it is mentioned in the Giant's Red Braid that Radagon despised his red locks that all fire giants had; I think this implies that he was, in another life, the leader of the Fire Giants (Fire Giants being just a fancy nickname for "the Stars"), and Rennala, being the Stargazer, fell in love with him at first sight. The downfall of the Fire Giants happened when Marika besieged the Fire Giants (Stars), and they attempted to summon the Fell God to stop her... yet, I think they made the mistake to not realize they were the same thing-- Radagon is Marika... at least, after she had already ascended to Eternal status (the genesis of her Eternal status is hard to explain as it's a broad religious concept, but for a biblical example, it's like when Eve ate the golden apple and she and Adam were permanently banished from the Garden of Eden for eternity, and people will forever argue about the origination when it's literally a paradise lost; the opposite end of this being apocalypse tales that are always imminent threats that never arrive.) The Fell was coming from inside of Radagon (similar to how we see the Sun conjured in the eye of the Fire Giant's belly, only after he makes a sacrifice to the god by burning his leg.) Marika, after all, is also grafted to the Fell Omen and the Curseblood. Mother of Truth craves wounds. A few more pieces of evidence: -Enia describes the Mountaintop of the Giants as being "above the clouds" -Selivus's hat is based on the Souzhou star chat, and his head/face (which is threaded shut to keep Radagon's secrets) is at the center of the map (making him the Sun) -Radagon likely ruled from the Seat of the Sun which has long since faded away (Sun Realm Shield), but Leyndell is built atop the Deeproot Depths where the Nameless Eternal City waypoint can be found. -Miquella is partially associated with the eclipse (the moment of Sun and Moon converging as one-- which might be why Rennala is not only a Queen but a mother of demigods in Marika's reality), with his Haligtree being hidden beyond Castle Sol. Where Ranni is brought to and adopts the Heterodoxy of the Dark Moon, Miquella reversely abandoned Golden Order Fundamentalism after reshaping it three major times (might relate to the Triple Goddesshood of lunar deities in classical mythology symbolizing the lunar cycles... also, St. Trina.) "Lady Ranni has departed on her journey. Along the dark path of the Empyrean, from Renna's Rise, as she calls it." Renna I think is related to Rennala in the time of Genesis, and she was a snow witch because the snow itself relates to the twinkling stars, with a "Consecrated Snowfield" being a sacred site to honor the stars collectively (allegory for the holy vision of a galaxy of stars.) Her rise matches the path of the Dark empyrean because she was like the Waxing Moon, and reached ascension/death/convergeant grafting as Rennala, Carian Queen of the Full Moon over Raya Lucaria Academy, and has even since remained in a waning state, cursed by the Fell. Just as the lost Black Moon of the eternal cities now hangs lifelessly in the sky above Moonlight Altar, So too must Ranni, the lifeless Empyrean of the Dark Moon must meet her fate to usher in the Age of Stars.

[@alexandrajojo4755]

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[@kitetales]

🩵🩵🩵!

[@dontokoi30]

When I saw a new video, I was wondering how much tinfoil will my hat need, and that I'm here for all of it.

[@kitetales]

Oh you know it! Don't even look at the screen without a healthy layer of foil!

[@nanakatz1492]

I came to a similar conclusion just yesterday! Renna being Rannis sister and having died some time ago. I have been wanting to post a theory of mine, would you maybe be willing to discuss it on some platform?

[@kitetales]

Yeah I’d love to hear it!

[@nanakatz1492]

@@kitetales Ok yay! 😃 I sent you a message over on Reddit!

[@witchdoctorteepo]

What if, (and I know this is deff a stretch) the snow witch was the gloam eyed queen. That would give Ranni yet another reason to hate Marika's rule because Marika sent someone to defeat The Gloam eyed queen.

[@pearljaime2]

I was. Sorry, guys. It was a bait nickname I used because of star ocean.🤦‍♂️

[@kitetales]

Are you the one who knocks?

[@pearljaime2]

@@kitetales yes.

[@SixBeark]

Oh shit! What if the snow witch is Rennala but backwards

[@lilstamp08]

19:13 maybe I haven’t been playing close enough attention, but is it not equally possible for Renna, Sellen, and Ranni to be sisters?

[@kitetales]

Possibly, it’s definitely not ruled out! I like the theory that Sellen is related, but I couldn’t make that theory work with Jerren’s openness about murdering her; like Radahn wouldn’t at some point say “hey man that’s my sister you’re talking about killing”

[@NeroCrucible]

Theres another moon!

[@kitetales]

A fourth moon?!

[@NeroCrucible]

I only thought there was one moon@@kitetales

[@LokiLouki]

Pls do more video lores PLS this is great

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much!! 🥰

[@DEarls-ye9tz]

I like that the women who like video games are able to come out in the open and be a bigger part of the community more and more. Playing, streaming, making video game content. Seems like we're seeing more women everywhere in gaming.

[@kitetales]

I’ve been doing gaming content for like 13 years! I’m just not popular 🤣

[@DEarls-ye9tz]

@KiteTales This is exactly what I'm talking about. I wish KZbin would've recommended you like 12 years ago. 😭

[@Pygmy_Warrior]

Answer: Gwyndolin

[@sueflewelling3657]

great video is it ok if I ask you a question

[@kitetales]

Only if it’s in Latin!

[@sueflewelling3657]

​@@kitetaleswhat do you think of ranni as a character and do you think she cares about the tarnished or is she just using them

[@kitetales]

I don’t think she gives a crap about the Tarnished; maybe only after you help her, but otherwise she doesn’t seem to care what happens to you one way or another. She could have maybe tried to save Blaidd.

[@Xandros999]

When we give her the draught it seems like she feels genuinely betrayed, so I think she cared. Also she doesn't kill us /instantly/ which she would otherwise have had good reason to do. @@kitetales

[@kitetales]

That’s true, she definitely had the position to kill you early on if she wanted!

[@Rudykawa]

Fear the moon could still be a way of saying worshiping the moon and not avoiding it. Just like the expression fear of god used for christians.

[@kitetales]

Love that interpretation, and yes I think that makes sense considering the moon worship already established in game. Thanks!!

[@lilstamp08]

1:23 I’m barely into this video yet but wanted to say I don’t think these had to be made after Renalla ruled Raya Lucaria. I think Caria manor predates Raya Lucaria, and the academy could’ve still sealed the Towers without being the ones who created them.

[@kitetales]

The only reason I think it was during Rennala’s leadership was because the Caria Manor and other Caria properties have the Academy crests on their trap spells.

[@lilstamp08]

@@kitetalesyou’re probably right, founding rain of stars in the heretical rise just always made me feel like they were ancient. It was kind of silly of me to not assume the academy, or at least one heretic, would travel back up and explore the mountain after the astrologers came down.

[@kitetales]

I actually think that sorcery might be a hint that Lusat occupied the Heretical Rise, and if Lusat was the ancient astrologer the spell describes, then Rennala slowed ousted him and Azur when they became more obsessed with pursing the primeval current. And I’m wondering if he is possibly a relative of Sellen, thus her admiration of them? And it might explain why she was so furious at the Carian family for expelling him from the Academy, and thus she’s motivated in part by revenge for the imprisonment of her relative.

[@SentinalhMC]

@@kitetales Sellen is such an interesting character. I think Lusat is almost certainly the one who discovered Founding Rain of Stars and caused the appearance of glintstone. I think that would line up very well with what you mentioned in this video about the Astrologers turning to glintstone after they could no longer see the stars. Lusat glimpses the primeval current for the first time and causes the stars they can no longer see to literally rain down on the land creating glintstone.

[@goat.as.azazel]

I can’t forgive Miyazaki for obscuring the story to this degree. Unacceptable.

[@kitetales]

It definitely crossed a line in vagueness that I think I’m good with never experiencing again

[@jonathan0225]

hired GRRM to build Lands in between's history, Miyazaki purposefully destroyed and fragmented the world. NGL, the world felt alive whilst in the verge of collapse.

[@darkwulfqueen_8034]

🎉

[@kitetales]

🌝

[@Being4Itself]

They stopped watching the stars because Radan conquered them

[@kitetales]

Telescope description says otherwise!

[@Filip-cv9nt]

I love your voice you should work in radio 📻 i could listen you whole day

[@kitetales]

Aww thank you! 😊

[@DjDolHaus86]

Wait... isn't Renna just the spirit twin of Ranni that you can see projected next to her? All of the other royal children are twins (Morgott and Mohg/Malenia and Miquella/Ranni and Renna) so why not continue the theme?

[@kitetales]

I’m not sure if Ranni’s twin would be considered a crone!

[@DjDolHaus86]

@@kitetales where does it reference renna as a crone?

[@kitetales]

That’s only if you subscribe to the theory that Renna was the Snow Witch, which I do

[@DjDolHaus86]

@@kitetales Why would the snow witch have 2 towers though? Particularly being that she's described as being a heretic

[@petro1864]

They are the triple moon goddesses. Maiden,mother and crone. They symbolize the natural cycles of birth,life and death.🌘🌑🌒. Making the snowy Crone Rennalas mother.

[@kitetales]

I really like the idea of Renna being the grandmother but I just don’t see any link to her and lunar sorcery!

[@petro1864]

@@kitetales The word crone is taken straight from the mythology itself. It’s the biggest clue we will probably get. The crone is not only goddess of Luna but more prominently the goddess of witches and sorcery.

[@petro1864]

She also taught ranni to fear the dark moon.

[@lemongan]

Sellen's and Rennala being sister doesn't seem accurate to me. Height difference between the two is the immediate point that comes to mind. (Sellen is tarnished height. Not like Radagon, Rennala, Ranni's body, Malenia's body). There is more to look into it I think

[@MrOddKing]

Well you aren’t considering that Ranni’s puppet body is supposed to be identical to her former masters body yet Ranni looks nothing like Rennala so I don’t believe that’s the case much less for a twin sister of Rennala If anything the snow witch is the same person as the gloom eyed queen

[@kitetales]

Possible!

[@aSimpleTailor]

Her ending is my favorite. I get to marry a chick with four arms and am no longer maidenless.

[@christmasham4312]

I know who Renna is but I am not gonna tell anyone 😼

[@kitetales]

🌝💙