Man the scene of Jace trying to make his report to the queen only to break down and cry in his mother’s arms was brutal bravo writers and actors
@frankvandorp20597 ай бұрын
I haven't been teary eyed over a show for many years, but this scene did it for me. His acting was superb.
@Erikjust7 ай бұрын
I´m not crying i just got something in my eye.... shut up... not crying :P
@veronicadavanzo20647 ай бұрын
That was an absolutely incredible bit of acting. Well done!
@Tyler07897 ай бұрын
Agree .. the scene was phenomenal
@BluegrassKnight7 ай бұрын
I agree, this show can and has done some really good and powerful emotional scenes, the actors are very good at what they do!
@frankvandorp20597 ай бұрын
Aegon getting Jaehaerys into his small council at age 6 "to prepare him as heir to the throne" is very interesting, because Aegon himself obviously never got that treatment from Viserys, who did not consider him his heir. There probably is a lot of pain over that, and he tries to compensate by giving his own son the treatment he feels he was denied by his own father.
@Madison-iw8ix7 ай бұрын
Say what you will, Aegon probably loves his sons more than Viserys loved his.
@MrE-wr8ws7 ай бұрын
@@Madison-iw8ix Viserys dropped the ball as a father.
@DanteVerde-pt9zc7 ай бұрын
@@Madison-iw8ix You could tell he's enjoying his role as a father to Jaeherys, shame it didn't last long
@Madison-iw8ix7 ай бұрын
Btw Shad, the book was far worse with Blood and Cheese. They made Helaena choose between her sons, Jaehaerys and Maelor, which would live and which would die. She chose Maelor to die, as she thought he'd be too young to know what's going on, and they killed Jaehaerys and took his head right in front of her. This drove her to utter madness. (Maelor remembered the choice.)
@Dinoslay7 ай бұрын
Psychological warfare.
@canaldecasta7 ай бұрын
Reminds me of Monster.
@Madison-iw8ix7 ай бұрын
Wasn't Jaehaera there as well? I can't remember.
@jg7u7 ай бұрын
@@Madison-iw8ix Yes she was and they threatened that Blood will rape her if Helaena doesn't choose
@missanne29087 ай бұрын
Don't forget what Cheese said: “You hear that, little boy?” Cheese whispered to Maelor. “Your momma wants you dead.” In the book Blood struck off Jaehaerys's head with a single blow, which seems slightly less gruesome than the hacking sounds heard in the show.
@Shamrock7977 ай бұрын
My favorite thing about the character writing is how little dialogue there needs to be. I got tons of character from Rhaenyra, and she had one line in the whole episode. It’s awesome to see.
@rayous54807 ай бұрын
lets just say, in the books this is far worse, the children are awake and the mother gets to choose one to kill instead, she chooses the youngest of the 3 (its 3 children in the book) and the murderers tell the kid that his mom doesnt love him before killing the heir anyway. Also in the book Alicent is present and her guards are killed so there are actually guards with them in the book :P
@edwinsuijkerbuijk51067 ай бұрын
I think it would be very difficult for child actors to do the scene as it was in the book. Wit the modifications they made they avoided a lot of hassle that comes with child actors.
@JamesRT12917 ай бұрын
While I agree with Shad that the show should have shown and explained why there are no King’s Guards, but I think they are implying that the King’s Guard is divided and it’s members don’t know who to back, so some if not most are not at their posts. Still should have been mentioned, like at the small council meeting
@pyramidion59117 ай бұрын
*The account of events recorded in the book
@justlivin24997 ай бұрын
Realistically I don’t think they would have played out those theatrics, they seemed like the kinda guys who would just want to get the job done and not waste time with stuff like that
@R0GU351GN4L7 ай бұрын
Yeah the lack of Guardsmen patrolling the halls of the Royal Keep made zero sense to me and was my biggest gripe with the entire episode.
@Oxurus7 ай бұрын
"Where was the KingsGuard?" Well... more then half of them defected to Team Black, Cole was banging the Queen Regent, and Sir Clubfoot had just gone on a purge of anyone who he suspected might be disloyal. Sooo... its possible that almost all of the kingsguard were either with Rhaenyra, or dead. If any were still in the castle, they might have been guarding the standard passageways, which the assassins avoided.
@mjbull51567 ай бұрын
"Lord Commander, perhaps it is inappropriate for a Kingsguard to be impaling the Queeen Mother?"
@deriznohappehquite7 ай бұрын
Yeah, clubfoot doing a purge resulting in them being severely undermanned is probably the best explanation.
@TerminusTartaros7 ай бұрын
When shad says that in other shows things are not well explained, I have to think on "the stone sinks because it looks down"
@war_designer87637 ай бұрын
yeah but remember, the boat looks up
@yohanespaskal93527 ай бұрын
I want it raw lol
@supersolomob4227 ай бұрын
August 29th mate, get ready for some more
@DilloWavis6 ай бұрын
@@war_designer8763pumice stones look up, least depressed stone ever
@Book_of_Grudges7 ай бұрын
To be fair, the assassins ask Daemon, “What do we do if Aemond isn’t there?” We don’t hear his answer, so he could very well have said he was fine with a substitute.
@e.k.74627 ай бұрын
I can see Daemon saying well then find some other white haired boy tbh and if Daemon gave strict orders I doubt city watch guy would ignore his command
@frankvandorp20597 ай бұрын
They repeat it later to each other, their orders were "a son for a son". So Daemon gave the direct order to take Jaehaerys as a backup target.
@KaiHung-wv3ul7 ай бұрын
In the books at least, it's pretty clear that Daemon gave the order to murder Jaehaerys.
@MrWebweaver7 ай бұрын
@@KaiHung-wv3ulno, the order was a son, any son will do.
@tiagoalex95737 ай бұрын
from the way the assassins were talking i think he only said after that "a son for a son"
@ArisKronos7 ай бұрын
As far as the King’s Guard is concerned, keep in mind last season saw 4 of the 7 King’s Guard resign or defect to Rhaenyra. So they logically could not be enough King’s Guard to guard all of the Royals. Also the two of them got into the Royal level through Maegor's secret passages. They do this to avoid the gurads that protect the levels and that is also the specific reason Daemon hired the Rat Catcher. Due to him knowing those secret passages very well. Loved the Video! Hope this cleared some of that up!
@ArisKronos7 ай бұрын
Figured I'd list off the 4 that are absent from the 7. The two that were stationed on Dragonstone with Rhaenyra Erryk who defected to Rhaenyra with King V's crown And The Lord Commander who "Resigned" when Otto told him to go to Dragonstone and kill Rhaenyra
@rpgadventurer327 ай бұрын
But it still does not justify the complete lack of guards.
@frankvandorp20597 ай бұрын
@@rpgadventurer32 Well, they're outside the private area where the assassination happens. Perhaps it's explained more in the book, but this is how it happens there too, via the secret passages they bypass the guards to get to the royal family. The secret passages in the red keep are often a plot point in the books, it's also how Tyrion got to Tywin without any guards interfering.
@Wustenfuchs1097 ай бұрын
@@rpgadventurer32 Do you think secret service agents are in the hallways of the upper floor of the White House? No, they guard approaches to it, they guard lower level and around the White House, but they are not in the president's hallway upstairs. Same here. You don't post guards to places you don't even know exist - and in their minds, those guarded staircases to upper levels were the only way in and out. So why would you spread your limited guard detail when you can secure the choke point? Think of it this way - it is a time of war and everyone's head is at stake here. So, Greens decide to put guards in front of every room in their level (I guess to guard against themselves?), but you don't have enough - so you need to recruit more. And how do you know that people you've just hired are not traitors themselves? No, you have a small loyal guard group that stayed with you, and you position them on the only passage YOU KNOW ABOUT that leads to your chambers - you don't spread them around. Also, Blacks being popular with the city guard is not a big secret (Daemon is very popular) so you have very limited amount of personal guard that you can trust and post them somewhere.
@Fedovoi7 ай бұрын
There might also be the possibility that Ser Criston was guarding the Kings children and got sidetracked
@christopherwichman79687 ай бұрын
Not dismissing the fact that there were absolutely no guards on the upper apartments of the royal family, but the Kingsguard specifically is about 50/50 split between the two teams until vacancies are filled.
@SightUnseen5557 ай бұрын
Aegon only has at most 3 of Viserys' Kingsguard that stuck with him. Criston Cole, Arryk Cargyll, and one other one. Harrold Westerling resigned, and Erryk Cargyll, Laurent Marbrand, and Steffon Darklyn all swore for Rhaenyra.
@rpgadventurer327 ай бұрын
Yea, but there is not excuse for the lack of guards.
@SightUnseen5557 ай бұрын
@@rpgadventurer32 In the books there were guards that Blood killed, not sure why they changed it so much from the books. It was a perfect scene as written.
@mattmn28917 ай бұрын
Well Cristem Cole was ordered to go back to his duty. Where for some reason he was busy helping Alicent.
@chrisb75287 ай бұрын
2 more men and they could have killed the entire royal family. I had a hard time too, 2 guards with the king and one with Alicent.
@frankvandorp20597 ай бұрын
31:10: The order that Daemon gave was "a son for a son", I think that pretty firmly establishes that, if they couldn't find Aemond, they could go after Jaehaerys. I did not see a problem there.
@Mordring7 ай бұрын
Shad seems to be forgetting Daemon is not a nice guy. He murdered his wife, he almost beat a messenger to death in a tantrum, he butchered many petty criminals (likely more than a few underaged) during his reign over the Gold Cloaks. If one's on the Greens' side, he's the scariest monster, if on the Blacks' side, he's the necessary evil.
@vanessalore99427 ай бұрын
I don’t think it’s firm at all. So you do you
@frankvandorp20597 ай бұрын
@@vanessalore9942 I literally don't know what else those words could have meant.
@BrianStewart1267 ай бұрын
We did have the scene where Otto walked in on Cole and Aemond drawing up plans, and Otto scolded Cole and told him to return to his post. That likely wasn't only to get him out of the room, but also an indication that it was known that Cole and possibly the Kingsguard in general were shirking their duties. And of course we had the Queen's premonitions about being afraid of rats before that happened, and we still have the connection between rats and Lord Strong. He could very well have played at least an indirect role in this. And we did have a rat conspicuously and calmly walk past our "rat catchers" as they were making their way to their target. It very well could have been that they were seen through those rat eyes.
@TheDream68427 ай бұрын
Aegon was one of the highlight. Can't wait to see more of him💚
@EmmaSoyer727 ай бұрын
Yeah really loved his character.
@logiconlifesupport18997 ай бұрын
You're way better discussing this with nerdrotics panel. Wasn't the same without you.
@kjellduteweert92627 ай бұрын
In the books, it makes more sense as they know for a fact Helena visited her mother in the Tower of the Hand, so they wait for her there. In the tower, there are for example also hidden passageways., So they waited and made her choose, she even did offer up herself in it. She breaks because she chooses the younger boy, but blood and cheese kill the older one. She can really go knowing she has to look at the son she choose to be killed. I do think they did that way to lessen the impact.
@Madison-iw8ix7 ай бұрын
I get the impression the writers are Black fans. They're not bad at being unbiased about it, but this big of a change is substantial.
@edwinsuijkerbuijk51067 ай бұрын
yes it takes place in the tower of the hand. It might even be the same passage Tyrion used to get into the tower of the hand when he killed tywin.
@TA-yw7ce7 ай бұрын
Of course they are they’re trying to appeal to game of thrones normies who love their ‘khaleesi’ and rhaenerya is basically deanarys at least that’s how they set it up
@dan_25847 ай бұрын
3 scenes were absolutely amazing. #1 the first 5 minutes at the wall (chefs kiss) #2 Jace trying to give the report to raenyra and breaking down #3 raenyra only having 1 line of dialogue all episode and we knew exactly how she was feeling the entire episode.
@sad-mp6ni7 ай бұрын
I think The Kingsguard is Balls Deep within the former Queen. 😂😂
@josephkushnir13767 ай бұрын
Loved how it began with Cregan Stark and winterfell. Just beautiful
@baldbeardedbassist7 ай бұрын
Helaena carrying her daughter out of the room while you can hear them SAWING HER SON'S HEAD OFF was exactly as distressing as it needed to be
@Madison-iw8ix7 ай бұрын
But it's not the same as having her choose which of her sons will die, then she has to remember that every time she sees Maelor. :(
@KendraMorgan-ob2fr7 ай бұрын
@@Madison-iw8ixshe will still remember. It trauma
@lunafencoven7 ай бұрын
I had one problem in the end, where blood and cheese kill the boy. In the book, it is far better when they ask Helaena to choose which boy gets to die, and Helaena chooses Maelor. Then Cheese whispers to him, 'Do you hear, boy? Your momma wants you dead, and then he kills the other boy. Very psychotic, very evil, but a beautiful in-terms of the story.
@edwinsuijkerbuijk51067 ай бұрын
I think the child actors might not have been able to do the scene as it is in the book convincingly. So they went for a version where the child actors had to do minimal acting work.
@DanteVerde-pt9zc7 ай бұрын
@@edwinsuijkerbuijk5106 Also the fact that they couldn't have had a child actor that looked convincingly like Maelor... he's like 2 during this right? And legally they can't hire a kid younger than 8
@JamesRT12917 ай бұрын
While I agree with Shad about “Where are the King’s Guard?!” I believe there are two things. 1) As mentioned in this episode the King’s Guard is divided and don’t know how to protect the royals when the royals are trying to kill each other. 2) There are supposed to be in total 7 King’s Guards, which includes the Lord Commander. 3 have signed with Rhaeynira, Lord commander has resigned over being ordered to kill Rhaeynira promoting Christian Cole to Lord Commander. Leaving each side with 3 Kings Guards. Also there were 2 Kings Guards watching the King while he was drinking with his friends in the throne room and we know that Cole was “indisposed” that evening. But Shad is still right. There should have been a comment at the small council meeting about the lack of King’s Guard.
@jimmybones42997 ай бұрын
They made a point of having Larys point out that Alicent was "indisposed". I'm sure he knows about her and Cole, and he's going to leverage it with Alicent's father. Maybe she withholds her feet from Larys and it provokes him to turn on her. Either way this will be one of the events that ultimately leads to Cole's downfall.
@timbishop3397 ай бұрын
Just a thought. They are short staffed, and the roral guard could be just at the main doors to the royal chambers and not bedroom doors. The rats' catchers came through a secret door.
@lhallora17 ай бұрын
Once the sawing sound started I had to fast forward. Nope. Can't do it. Amazing how the gore of The Boys makes me laugh but THAT scene from HoTD sent me running for the hills. It's the sign of an excellent show.
@redrum477 ай бұрын
There's been worse stuff in GoT. Honestly, I feel like people over hyped Blood & Cheese a lot. I mean, did everyone forget a pregnant woman getting a forced abortion at the red wedding? And they didn't even cut away for that one
@Solare17 ай бұрын
@@redrum47 Sometimes understatement is the more powerful device.
@Cyrus-1377 ай бұрын
I love Emma's acting . A mother's grief was portrayed well. But it went a little differently than the book for blood and cheese part. Brutality wise tone downed a bit.
@frankvandorp20597 ай бұрын
They probably couldn't have done it like in the books, Hollywood never depicts graphic violence against younglings.
@DarthQueefious7 ай бұрын
@@frankvandorp2059 It's not the depiction of violence, rather it's the more brutal way the book impacts the Queen and her remaining child.
@syncopaint_minis30167 ай бұрын
She is a great actress
@iBolski7 ай бұрын
I figured they wouldn't show it as it's too graphically violent to what happens to a child so young. But sometimes, hearing what's happening off camera makes it worse because your mind draws up its own images which can be WORSE than seeing it on camera. Not sure why Chris Gore on FNT felt it wasn't as bad as he thought it would be. For me, it was effective enough. I felt bad for the Queen, more so than I did in the book. Overall, excellent episode!
@Madison-iw8ix7 ай бұрын
@frankvandorp2059 They could've done it. Cut away after Helaena chooses. Zoom in on her eyes. Show her irises crack - because Jaehaerys' death drove her insane.
@Idealdeath83047 ай бұрын
Half of the kings guard is on dragon stone and Cole was screwing the queen regent. And I’m sure one or 2 of the remaining 4 were with Aegon while he was in the throne room drinking with his buddies
@deriznohappehquite7 ай бұрын
Yeah, but there are guards other than the actual kingsguard.
@drrohanjacob7 ай бұрын
@@deriznohappehquiteLord foot fetish had just done a purge so makes sense they are understaffed
@frankvandorp20597 ай бұрын
36:50 I don't think this is a weak point. Instead, it's the same thing as in goT season 4 when Tyrion gets to Tywin in his private quarters, without any guard interfering. It's how the Red Keep is built and it often results in these high profile slayings of important characters in the books.
@StefunnyStrange7 ай бұрын
I don’t believe Alicent and Cole “just started” a relationship. I believe they’ve been banging since season 1 and this season is just revealing that. There are several hints in season 1 and comments made by those characters that kinda imply that they were already getting it on. This season is insane so far and I’m so excited to see what comes next! The amount of amazing sh*t packed into just one episode was overwhelming… but in a good way. HOTD makes the Acolyte look like it was directed by toddlers. Lesley Headland should be embarrassed and I hope she watches HOTD to see what actual talent is.
@jeffreym85037 ай бұрын
I believe the show runner said that their relationship started after the death of viserys
@MrWebweaver7 ай бұрын
The kings guard was banging the queen, the others were in the throne room with the king. This is only days after the king died and the king guard are short 4 knights. There is no logic gap.
@dee-taylor7 ай бұрын
Being a parent made this episode kick like a mule. The grieving scene with Rhaenyra and Jace was heartbreaking, and then of course the ending was just brutal. To me the message of this episode is stop getting children involved in adult BS and protect them at all costs.
@danielleeskelton7 ай бұрын
Cristan Cole is a Kingsguard and is Alicent's guard. I'd assume the other two were with the King and his pals. Don't forget there are only three of them as they haven't replaced the others yet.
@Soinetwa7 ай бұрын
Also they dont work 24/7 they might be und their rooms entrance is guarded and if they need help they will knock at my door..
@afroahmed39897 ай бұрын
It was a little different from the book , but at least they're following the blueprint, hope they keep it that way
@Madison-iw8ix7 ай бұрын
But there were things about how the book did it that affected the future. Helaena went insane because she chose one son to die, and that son lived. She'd have to remember that every time she saw Maelor. Jaehaera was severely affected by watching her twin die in front of her. Maelor had to live with the knowledge that his mother would've preferred he die to his older brother. What happened in the book may seem unnecessarily cruel, but it was that way for a reason. I wonder if the writers are on Team Black, and they're trying to make what Daemon did less irredeemable. (If they are on Team Black, though, I'll give them that they have done a good job of staying rather neutral.)
@alexmarsh84647 ай бұрын
Roughly half of the kings guard have defected and the other half (rounding) that haven’t are having relations to the former queen regent. I think that’s a very purposeful choice and there will be implications in the next episode
@mjbull51567 ай бұрын
As Robin Williams once said, if women ruled the world, perhaps there woukd be no wars, but there would be tense negotiations every 30 days
@Idealdeath83047 ай бұрын
That scene where the fisherman find the dragon wing and Lucs Dublet and Rhaenerya flies over and finds it and her break down was heartbreaking. This show has fantastic acting. It really is the best show on TV the past few years. It’s a breath of fresh air with all the bullshit we seen on a week to week basis
@LLMPC7 ай бұрын
Regarding the King’s Guard, in the scene before when we see Aegon drinking in the throne, there is 2 King's Guard with him standing each side of the thorne. Cole was occupied with Alicent. That is 3 of the 7. Then there are the two that were with Rhaenyra when she received the news of Viserys death and are sworn to her, Erryk who arrived later with Viserys' crown and Lord Commander Harrold Westerling who resigned when Otto told him to kill Rhaenyra. Those are the other 4. So the greens have only 3 King’s Guard at the moment, 2 were with the king and one was with Alicent.
@adrianmedeiros84317 ай бұрын
20:04 to me, it shows that Aegon did have a chance in hell of being a good leader and a good person. It's gone now, because Otto and Alicent were always more interested in making him an idiot they could control rather than a decent king (they even say it as much) but he COULD have been forged into something good, unlike his obvious GoT counterpart Joffrey
@SpiderboyN2Jesus7 ай бұрын
The way I see it, Cole was probably "guarding" Alicent's room alone, so as to avoid anyone knowing that he's banging her, plus they took a secret passage specifically to bypass the guards, not to mention that we see two of the 3 remaining guards in the throne room with Aegon. If there were any others, they were probably stationed just outside the entrance to the royal quarters, as a whole, not expecting anyone to slip in through a secret passage that they obviously didn't know about.
@ALMSIVIJack7 ай бұрын
I did think Blood & Cheese was underwhelming, but I also think the lack of staff / guards is pretty rational. Regarding the Kingsguard, only 3 of the seven have stayed serving Aegon, and Criston had clearly been assigned to protect the royal quarter's that night... he was busy elsewhere however (I do wonder if you will see some character conflict with Alicent helping enable the assasination of the kid because she is messing around with the guy clearly actively assigned to guard the royal chambers). Now there is the rest of the household guard (and the rest off the palace staff) that should probably be dotted around, but if you consider that: 1 - The Greens have just purged the staff and guards of anyone not loyal to them and are holding some for questioning; their numbers are likely currently VERY depleted. 2 - That I imagine most of the guard that is loyal has been assigned to the city / keep walls and the Scorpion positions in case the Black's launch an attack with their dragons. There is probably very few people left actively protecting the inside of the Red Keep, and they are likely stationed at the known entrances to the royal quarter's (And the Green's just don't know the Keep that well, hell, most actual Targaryen's barely know a fraction of Maegor's passages) Do think they probably could have had a throw away line emphising however how depleted / stretched thin the guard is, and that Criston was assigned the the Royal Quarters that night (And was then occupied with the Queen instead of doing his job)... but I do feel like most of its still implied well enough without them having to spell it out.
@JRxxx7 ай бұрын
At first I was mad and confused by the rat catcher, I was like "that's clearly not who he wanted dead" then I remembered the rat catcher asked, "what if we can't find him?"... but still wow!
@EmmaSoyer727 ай бұрын
Exactly many persons miss that part.
@ventusbruma10397 ай бұрын
37:30 they're down 4 out of 7 Kingsguard because of defection, most of the guards are on the walls looking for dragons, and Cole was likely supposed to be there, but he was sleeping with Alicent. As far as Alicent's door not being locked...anyone think she might WANT to be caught on some level? She clearly has some level of guilt about it but can't seem to stop herself. So maybe subconsciously she's not being as careful as she should be.
@hedinsee68307 ай бұрын
We are actually shown Blood and Cheese asking for a contingency if they are unable to get Aemond. And while we don't hear Daemon's answer, we can easily assume especially with a clear directive of "a son for a son" that they repeat later. So no inconsistencies here so far. There is also one show-specefic theory worth mentioning. That Helaena's children (some or all) may be Aemond's, not Aegon's. I do not actually think it was relied on here even though there are several inducators lending credenve to it, but it's an interesting point. In the book of course Daemon explicitly ordered the murder of one of Aegon's sons (hello, little Maelor, wherever could you be, keeping company with your uncle Daeron probably) and Helaena was forced to choose the victim herself (and tricked in the process). And no, Blood and Cheese not encountering any guards is not a problem. They used those very secret passages known to only a vanishingly small number of people. Kingsguard (in its reduced state) certainly know almost nothing about those. So they simply bypass all the guarded entrances into the private quarters. The lack of any visible guards while Helaena is moving around *is* rather strange, granted. The Red Keep is not run efficiently these days apparently.
@jounirautjoki92347 ай бұрын
It was King Viserys' wish that Rhaynera would rule as queen after him. Lords gave theis oaths. So,if you are on team green you are oathbreaker....I know that both sides made bad choices....but the oath is an oath and man is just as good as his word.
@adrianmedeiros84317 ай бұрын
42:11 A: finding out about an "illicit affair" because of unlocked doors is a story waaaaaaay too common in reality B: I have a pretty safe guess as to which kings guard was supposed to be at Haelena's door. He was busy with the other queen
@joshb83027 ай бұрын
The no kings guard with Alicent makes sense because that's Coles job. But no guards watching Helena makes zero sense.
@SassyCassie897 ай бұрын
I think when the king is taking petitions he's taking on lower cases as practice. Otto probably wanted to use it as a learning experience ready for the bigger decisions.
@aidanhendricksen48327 ай бұрын
To be fair the kings guard consists of 7 members, Lord Commander Harold Westerling left and 3 more moved to the blacks leaving 3 members with the greens, Cole i imagine is almost always with the queen regent, leaving 2 two to protect the king for 24 hours, should they have city guards probably but not kings guard Edit: still haven’t seen the episode but looks like my guess was correct about Cole 2nd Edit: Daemon gave the city guard the gold cloaks and made them respectable so they are loyal to him. So there are only 3 kings guard to protect the king and his family 24/7
@MagesGuild7 ай бұрын
I raised the same question: where are the guards? Now I'm not sure who the people were that were getting drunk with a king, and perhaps that's why there are no guards. I don't remember who those people are from the last year, and if they are the royal guard, it would explain why the Upper Floor was vacant as they were all getting drunk with the King on his orders. Otherwise I am not sure who they would be to be able to have the conversation that they were having.
@SightUnseen5557 ай бұрын
In the book, Blood ambushed and killed Helaena's guards. Not sure why they changed it in the show. A lot of the changes are very puzzling, because the book gave them an almost perfect scene and they changed large parts of it for unknown reasons, and all of them make less sense than the original.
@Wustenfuchs1097 ай бұрын
@@SightUnseen555 I disagree. The book gave them a scene that is not believable. Too many things went according to a plan that two corrupt lowlifes would not bother to come up with in the first place, and then added pointless sadism and waste of time for a job that is quick in-and-out for a coin. Martin did it for edge factor, but it was frankly stupid given who the characters are. I never bought it. In the show, a simple rat catcher (person who probably never killed anyone) and a city guard (not the smartest tool in the shed) make their way to the royal quarters, almost fumble and get caught, find their secondary target and just want to be done with it quickly and get away with their heads (pun intended) so they could survive and get their coins. That's what actually happens on most assassinations - things almost never go according to plan, especially when you don't hire professional assassins but some cutthroat brutes. So the show made perfect sense while the book did not. This is one of rare examples where adaptation chose sense over the source material.
@SightUnseen5557 ай бұрын
@@Wustenfuchs109 Daemon and the white worm planned it and probably had great intel. Daemon had friends among the greens and the white worm had spies everywhere.
@SightUnseen5557 ай бұрын
@@Wustenfuchs109 the show version made way less sense than the books. They just stumbled in blindly with no plan and just happened to find the queen and her kids completely unguarded. It makes no sense.
@Wustenfuchs1097 ай бұрын
@@SightUnseen555 You implied a lot of things there to make it more believable to you. It's OK, it is your interpretation of the written word... but those are not actual facts. And, I will repeat, what happened is not written, only how people who weren't even there talked about it. So, even what was written, is not actual truth. But even with those two major problems, you are still going to pretend like what you've written are facts? Sure, don't let me ruin the good time for you. But I just find it very funny.
@LucLB016 ай бұрын
About the Kingsguard : Lord Commander Westerlin left, Cole is now in charge and incompetent, Aryk and Darklyn joined Rhaenyra. So we have 5 guards instead of 7, one of which was busy bedding the queen. It would make sense to dispatch the remaining four throughout the castle at strategic parts instead of the doors, given how the royal sector shouldn’t have been accessed in the first place ( they went through Maegor’s secret tunnels ).
@Gilbeezyskit7 ай бұрын
3 members of the Kings Guard left to serve the Blacks, meaning the other 4 are spread out. The king was on the throne meaning they were likely focused around there. In Ser Croston’s scene with Aemond, Otto tells him to “return to his post.” We next see him in Alicent’s chambers. He likely should have been the one guarding the royal quarters but was… distracted.
@jennyhacking12897 ай бұрын
Overall a good episode, but the Blood and Cheese scene was so watered down, we don't need gore but the reason its so memorable in the books is it was truly gut wrenching and emotional, Heleana is forced to make an impossible choice, it just felt like she did it too easily, and offering the necklace instread of her own life just fell flat. I was actually dreading the scene but feel it lost how truly impactful it could have been.
@frankvandorp20597 ай бұрын
Really liked this episode. Aegon got a lot of characterization and I liked that he was good with his son, the guy needed some redeeming characteristics after being such a horrible person in season 1. Jace and Rhaenyra's short scene mourning Luke was brilliant. The political scheming inside the royal family in Kings Landing was interesting, with Otto slowly losing grip on his grandsons, and I don't have a problem with how they handled Blood and Cheese. We never see such a scene acted out graphically in any movie, Hollywood just doesn't do that, so I kind of expected how they did it. Only thing where they may have strayed is when Helaena points out the right child immediately, I think it would have been more powerful if she had pointed out the other one like in the books, have Blood and Cheese see through it, and Helaena having to live with the knowledge she condemned one of her living children to death.
@baneofthedragons7 ай бұрын
Three of the kingsguard went with Rhaenyra. Only four were left in Kings Landing. Cole was the kingsguard on duty that night and he was 'otherwise occupied '.
@dezeitgeist7 ай бұрын
In the last three episodes someone has stolen a dragon, a crown and now murdered a prince in what should surely must be the most guarded place in Westeros, that stretches incredulity to Star Wars levels, bullshit, the writing is crap. From what we have seen people have simply walked unchallenged into the Dragon Pens, the Treasury and the Royal bed Chamber, and no-one thinks that is poor writing?
@rayous54807 ай бұрын
Honestly it could be that they dont have enough kingsguard at the moment, the former commander left, the twin betrayed them and 2 were with the blacks to begin with, so that is about half of the kingsguard gone
@VulgrDisplay7 ай бұрын
Shad, the Kingsguard on duty was burying his sword in Alicent's sheath. They were short handed because half their number just defected to the blacks. Christin Cole failed to protect the kids.
@uriahcook54287 ай бұрын
I think there may be an explanation as to the lack of Kings guards. If memory serves, Rhaenyra currently has three of them, and since it’s only been a couple days since then only four remain in Kings Landing. There’s at least one with the king in the throne room, and Cole is with the queen regent. That means there’s only a maximum of two other guards for all of the Royals. Perhaps they were off with someone else or the king?
@oswinhull42037 ай бұрын
You are so right about the way they artfully interweave all the characterization and key plot points together all at the same time. So much is going on in every scene. Such a good show.
@cathakjordi7 ай бұрын
I think in the book Blood & Cheese bypass the guards because they get directly into the room through one of the many secret passages that the Red Keep has, that only Maegor I knew about (and people tend to rediscover partially and keep to themselves...). About Alicent, I think... well, Cole should have been guarding it.. and yeah, they should have locked the door, but maybe it was... well, he was guarding the door and she just pulled it as in 'fuck it, I can't wait more' sort of thing... dunno. Just to find a reason for that one. To have the heir of the thrones unguarded, though, is inexcusable. Also I feel that for now the Kingsguard have been reduced to half of their normal size... Funny enough Cole would not get the blame as he is clearly the guardian of the Queen Mother. But he is at this moment the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard so he would still get part of the blame...
@edwinsuijkerbuijk51067 ай бұрын
I am not sure but i seem to remember it takes place in the tower of the hand and not the Red Keep.
@Welsh_Dragon7567 ай бұрын
Yeah, maybe they should have had a scene that showed that Cole was supposed to be guarding the entrance to the royal bed chambers and that Alicent had dragged him away for sexy time, leaving them unguarded.
@SpiderboyN2Jesus7 ай бұрын
Daemon was explicitly clear about who their target was; he described his missing eye (maybe even his eyepatch) and the fact that he was a highly skilled fighter. I can't imagine the level of stupidity and incompetence necessary to think that a toddler could be a skilled fighter. *Maybe* the missing eye is excusable, considering that his eyes were closed, but still; no scarring, no eyepactch near the bed, etc. Now, I'm not absolving Daemon completely (if nothing else, he was plotting to assassinate Aemond; which, while understandable, and justifiable--at least to a degree--is still immoral), but Blood and Cheese definitely hold most of the responsibility. As for Aemond's responsibility in Luke's death; that's different, imo. He very unnecessarily endangered Luke's life. Saying "I didn't really mean to kill him" is an excuse, imo. If he just wanted to scare him, he should have let him go once he lost him, but he kept looking for him. Which suggests some level of malicious intent beyond simply scaring Luke.
@KendraMorgan-ob2fr7 ай бұрын
The bond between dragon and rider. The dragon might of felt Aemond angry at Luke
@SpiderboyN2Jesus7 ай бұрын
@@KendraMorgan-ob2fr all the more reason to have stopped toying with him once he lost him. If he'd have relaxed, his dragon might have as well. I still say he unnecessarily endangered Like if he was just messing with him. It would be like a couple kids messing with each other and one pulls out a gun and loads it with bullets. Obviously someone is likely to get hurt at that point. You've crossed a line to the point that you're not just having fun, but are legitimately endangering the other person's life. You just don't mess around playing with dangerous dragons any more than you'd play around with a loaded gun. It's the same difference.
@KendraMorgan-ob2fr7 ай бұрын
@@SpiderboyN2Jesus i was just saying why Aemond lost control. I'm still holding him accountable
@SightUnseen5557 ай бұрын
Hey Shad. It baffles me that they fumbled the ending of this episode as much as they did. It was all there for them to nail this and make it one of the most intense moments in Game of Thrones history. But they changed things and made it worse and made it make less sense. If they had done it according to the books, most of your criticisms are at least addressed, and also makes it more brutal. Below is the few paragraphs where it's described in the books: Let it not be forgotten: in his youth, Daemon Targaryen had been the "Prince of the City," his face and laugh familiar to every cutpurse, whore, and gambler in Flea Bottom. The prince still had friends in the low places of King's Landing, and followers amongst the Gold Cloaks. Unbeknownst to King Aegon, the Hand, or the Queen Dowager, he had allies at court as well, even on the green council... and one other go-between, a special friend he trusted utterly, who knew the wine sinks and rat pits that festered in the shadow of the Red Keep as well as Daemon himself once had, and moved easily through the shadows of the city. To this pale stranger he reached out now, by secret ways, to set a terrible vengeance into motion. Amidst the stews of Flea Bottom, Prince Daemon's go-between found suitable instruments. One had been a serjeant in the City Watch; big and brutal, he had lost his gold cloak for beating a whore to death whilst in a drunken rage. The other was a ratcatcher in the Red Keep. Their true names are lost to history. They are remembered (would that they were not!) as Blood and Cheese. "Cheese knew the Red Keep better than the shape of his own cock," Mushroom tells us. The hidden doors and secret tunnels that Maegor the Cruel had built were as familiar to the ratcatcher as to the rats he hunted. Using a forgotten passageway, Cheese led Blood into the heart of the castle, unseen by any guard. Some say their quarry was the king himself, but Aegon was accompanied by the Kingsguard wherever he went, and even Cheese knew of no way in and out of Maegor's Holdfast save over the drawbridge that spanned the dry moat and its formidable iron spikes. The Tower of the Hand was less secure. The two men crept up through the walls, bypassing the spearmen posted at the tower doors. Ser Otto's rooms were of no interest to them. Instead they slipped into his daughter's chambers, one floor below. Queen Alicent had taken up residence there after the death of King Viserys, when her son Aegon moved into Maegor's Holdfast with his own queen. Once inside, Cheese bound and gagged the Dowager Queen whilst Blood strangled her bedmaid. Then they settled down to wait, for they knew it was the custom of Queen Helaena to bring her children to see their grandmother every evening before bed. Blind to her danger, the queen appeared as dusk was settling over the castle, accompanied by her three children. Jaehaerys and Jaehaera were six, Maelor two. As they entered the apartments, Helaena was holding his little hand and calling out her mother's name. Blood barred the door and slew the queen's guardsman, whilst Cheese appeared to snatch up Maelor. "Scream and you all die," Blood told Her Grace. Queen Helaena kept her calm, it is said. "Who are you?" she demanded of the two. "Debt collectors," said Cheese. "An eye for an eye, a son for a son. We only want the one, t'square things. Won't hurt the rest o' you fine folks, not one lil' hair. Which one you want t' lose, Your Grace?" Once she realized what he meant, Queen Helaena pleaded with the men to kill her instead. "A wife's not a son," said Blood. "It has to be a boy." Cheese warned the queen to make a choice soon, before Blood grew bored and raped her little girl. "Pick," he said, "or we kill them all." On her knees, weeping, Helaena named her youngest, Maelor. Perhaps she thought the boy was too young to understand, or perhaps it was because the older boy Jaehaerys, was King Aegon's firstborn son and heir, next in line to the Iron Throne. "You hear that, little boy?" Cheese whispered to Maelor. "Your momma wants you dead." Then he gave Blood a grin, and the hulking swordsman slew Prince Jaehaerys, striking off the boy's head with a single blow. The queen began to scream. Strange to say, the ratcatcher and the butcher were true to their word. They did no further harm to Queen Helaena or her surviving children, but rather fled with the prince's head in hand.
@patriciafenwick58467 ай бұрын
Thanks for that. Makes me want to read the book. As it is, I cannot make a comparison. But I still enjoy the series for what it is.
@donaldmcgillavry12927 ай бұрын
That doesn't really make any more or less sense. The show has the guards being more incompetent not just bypassed entirely or killed. The assassins are quicker and there is more fumbling about. In the book they seem to be way more knowledgable and lucky than they should be. Tying up the Queen? Waiting around for dusk?? The show is better I'd say.
@matthewhart96107 ай бұрын
@@donaldmcgillavry1292It's explained more in Fire and Blood that Aemond and Aegon were never viable targets. That's because the royal apartments are in Maegor's holdfast, which is one specific part of the Red Keep which only has 1 drawbridge as entry. It's completely impossible to sneak into. That's why Blood and Cheese actually took place in the Tower of the Hand (the one that Cersei burns down in the books) which is in a different part of the Red Keep. Alicent moved there, and B&C took advantage of the fact that Helaena took her kids to visit Alicent every night. So they ambushed Alicent and waited for Helaena to show up. It was all very calculated. Far too well planned for it to just be a consolation prize. Helaena's kids were the intended targets in the book.
@woodwyrm7 ай бұрын
Ok now I really understand why that scene was toned down, underage grape is something I can totally live without.
@matthewhart96107 ай бұрын
@@woodwyrm They didn't actually do that, it was a threat. Still unnecessary, I agree, but they could've had the rest of the scene actually accurate and just not include that single line.
@Sword_Boi7 ай бұрын
In the book, they were ordered to kill one of Aegon's sons. In the show, they were ordered to kill Aemond, but then they asked, "What if we can't find him" and it cut away before Daemon answered. Then, before the killing, they said, "he said a son for a son," so it's implied that when the scene cut away, Daemon answered, "a son for a son," as in, if you can't get Aemond, bring me the head of one of their sons. So, the kids were their secondary targets. I assume it was a change made so non-book readers wouldn't see it coming. I don't mind it, as it still paints the Blacks in a bad light, but I must admit they really sanitised them in season one. I hope we get more scenes making Black stans question their loyalty.
@commandergaming69547 ай бұрын
With the lack of Kingsguard there was a total of 7 but 3 left for Rhaenyra then the Lord Commander leaves so they only have 3 Kingsguard at the Red Keep with 1 currently doing some tumbling around with Alicent so 2 and at least one of those would be with Aegon II
@osets21177 ай бұрын
With shows like this there is no excuse for star wars to be as bad as it is. I'm excited for more episodes!
@durrangodsgrief65037 ай бұрын
its not an oversite its purposeful assassination of a devastating scene that unlike Luke and aemond could not logically be turned down or manipulated into something else without ruining it in some sense
@billsutherby7 ай бұрын
Something I noticed for the first time (despite having seen season one several times) was during the recap of season one at the beginning of this episode was during the scene of Vhagar killing Jace. At the moment when Vhagar bursts through the clouds and chomps down on Arrax and Jace, you see Jace's actor reflexively flinches and ducks in surprise right as Vhagar is about to bite down. It is a good sign of great stage direction where the director let the actor know exactly what was happening and how to react. It's important to remember there was no real dragon on set to react to for the actors. And so many times in these other crap shows and movies from Marvel and Disney Star Wars you will see actors not acting or reacting properly to what has been CGI'd into the scene. That's how you can tell the stage direction on these other shows is crap.
@jimspetdragons37377 ай бұрын
Likely the Kingsguard guarding the door is Cristian Cole (excuse fir being in the queen's bed and not being discovered by the other Kingsguards breaking his oath. Cole likely took the entire watch for himself and dismissed the other Kingsguards to maintain some secrecy for their intimate encounter - i.e.: no witnesses. Of course that would mean he failed in his sworn duty to protect the royals. The other Kingsguards may be around the king. IDK. Just a theory). Funny both Cole & Alicent going to war over essentially, issue w/ Rhaenrya sleeping w/ Cole while doing the same thing themselves. (Yeh, I know their situations are a little different, but the punishment could be dire for either pairing). ******BOOK SPOILERS HERE:****** Book version has 3 children (Ages 6, 6, & 3-ish) and the choice is between 2 boys and their mother has to choose which boy is to die. They kill the one not chosen (the heir as in the show). (More logical writing than in the show).
@TeutonicKnight927 ай бұрын
In the books they were using the secret passages in the keep , like the one la Varys used
@nelguinevere40367 ай бұрын
They did show where the Kingsguard were. They only have 3 now (other 3 are with Rhaenyra and Westerling, the former commander, is gone), Cole is with Alicent and two of them are with the King in the throne room and his cronies where they are drinking (the two assassins go past them on their way). Which is actually quite cool - the throne room is not supposed to be used like that, the King should be in his chambers and of course his Kingsgaurd would be then outside, but because Aegon is not taking everything seriously yet, he leaves his wife and children unprotected. And of course for Cole and Alicent this is devastating because it was his watch. I still would expect normal guards to be around, but I can give that a pass. Thank you for review, it's good to be back to good stuff.
@oswinhull42037 ай бұрын
Three of the Kings Guard are on Dragonstone. One is missing because he resigned after Viserys died. So there are 3 in Kings Landing. Criston is with Alicent. I imagine the other two are with the King in the throne room protecting the King who is getting drunk with his buddies.
@ViolentMessiah6667 ай бұрын
A solid episode with a disappointing last 10-12 minutes. It's not about the graphic violence, the scene in the books isn't any more brutal in that aspect it's that they changed some the context so that the scene has way less dramatic & emotional impact moving forward. It was a very important scene that's gonna have massive implications for the rest of the season & they half arsed it. Strongly disagree that it's as well written as s1 of Thrones, that's a legit 10/10 season of television & this is so far a very solid, enjoyable 7.5/10 writing with 1 really amazing episode (episode 8) & 1 really bad one (episode 9). I think a lot of people have a "starving man in the desert" reaction
@Josh-qw1qm7 ай бұрын
I always appreciate your takes, Shad. Keep up the good work.
@gregoryharlow13477 ай бұрын
Without "your mother wants you dead" B&C loses a lot of the impact. It didn't need more violence, one line of dialogue would have helped a lot.
@edwinsuijkerbuijk51067 ай бұрын
Do you think a child actor could have pulled of a appropriate reaction to that line ?
@HolyknightVader9997 ай бұрын
Aegon II saw the people as more of his family than his actual family who treated him like a pawn.
@s8theninjawarrior9167 ай бұрын
You make a point about the kingsguard but you also have to remember they are hella cut in staff in kingsguard. I think 3 or 4 have deserted to serve Rheanyra lol We see 2 or 3 in the main hall with Aegon messing around. And I think there are only 6 or 7... Leaving only Cole in the halls... who was clearly "busy" lol So that could explain it I think
@HistoryandHeadlines7 ай бұрын
I watched it late at night after spready 125 bags of mulch with my family and attending a concert with my dad, and I didn't once drift off!
@nicholasdraper47227 ай бұрын
In regards to the King's Guard being missing, I believe that at this point, Aegon only had 3. The others had either died or defected. Two of them were with him, one of them (Cole) was guarding the rest of the family. By sleeping with Alicent, Cole derelicted his duty. Unfortunately he can't really be punished too severely for this as the Commander of the King's Guard declaring Aegon King was a big point in his favour.
@rvanzo9257 ай бұрын
Shad, Cole was supposed to be protecting the kids I would guess. So it’s his fault.
@Austin123.7 ай бұрын
The reason why there was no one guarding the Queen's chambers is because the guy that's suppose to do that. Well... we saw what he was doing and that was Alicent. Believe the other King's Guard was with Aegon and Ser Criston Cole was suppose to be guarding the Queen's chambers. But as I said, he was guarding the Queen's Mothers chambers aka being in there doing the thing lol. Also remind you that half of the King's Guard joined Rhaenrya and the other half remained in King's Landing to guard Aegon. So there is very few of them in King's Landing. To which most was guarding the King while one was to defend the Chambers. Yet he was sleeping with Alicent. So realistically, it's Criston Cole and Alicen't secret love affair that costed the life of the young Prince.
@levilevi96217 ай бұрын
I thought it was great. IDGAF about book changes. When I first read the book I didn’t even remember who Halaena was. Blood and Cheese was never a red wedding type moment to me. Just a disgusting one.
@KendraMorgan-ob2fr7 ай бұрын
I'm glad they tamed it down. I wasn't ok after that part in the book
@MooneShadow7 ай бұрын
Ok here is why no Kings guard durring assassination attempt.... Alison is sleeping with her own Kings Guard and Kole orders them to clear that area for privacy. That's Why she specifically said "We can't do this anymore" They cleared the guards so they could have relations. 😅 Your welcome 🙏! Great content by the way 👏 Kole should get his head handed to him... just saying...😊
@michaelbeasley94017 ай бұрын
"I could see Daemon going either way." Classic Daemon. Also, we know where the new Lord Commander was, and also the King's Guard is currently short handed because they split between both sides, and the former Lord Commander quit.
@Mordring7 ай бұрын
Blood and Cheese scene was underwhelming to say the least. Sure, I still liked the episode enough to give it a solid 7 overall (I'm more generous because there really isn't anything as decent among fantasy shows anymore). But had they done justice to that ending, it could've been even a 9. SPOILERS: 1. In the book, Daemon marked one of Aegon's sons for assassination from the get go as Aemond wasn't anywhere near the Red Keep at the time and even if he stuck around, he was one of the best fighters in the Seven Kingdoms, almost on par with Daemon himself, he'd dispatch a Gold Cloak and a rat catcher without breaking a sweat. 2. Blood and Cheese didn't roam randomly out in the open, they got directly to royal chambers via Maegor's tunnels. 3. There were guards (not King's Guard, just regular castle guards) in the book, but Blood and Cheese simply ambushed and murdered them. 4. They took both Helaena and Alicent (no Cole fun-times in the book) hostage along with all the kids. 5. Then there is the Sophie's choice Helaena was forced to make between the two sons (the younger son, Maelor seems to have been cut from the show, much like, apparently, the younger brother of Aegon, Helaena and Aemond, Daeron, who should be around Jace's age). When Helaena hesitated, they threatened to SA (the actual word would flag this comment) her daughter. And then they chose to kill Jaehaerys anyway (in the books it's a single swing of Blood's sword, sudden and brutal, but no sawing at least). Then they just disappeared in the tunnels again (I won't spoil what happened later as it may be shown in the next episode). To sum up, it was a sudden surprise attack directly into the heart of the Keep that took maybe 5 minutes total. There really was no chance for anyone to realise something's wrong in that short a time. Once again we go back to show writers thinking to be more clever than the author when they should've just followed the perfect blueprint. Why do you think GRRM takes forever to write a single chapter? He does consider all the questions and does his best to make it make as much logical sense as possible and if it doesn't he's not afraid to re-write the entire thing from scratch. As for Green vs Black, you will be changing your allegiance many times over the course of the show. Without spoiling the details, by the end there won't be anyone innocent (except, of course, young children) who hasn't committed a cruel and unjust action in the Dance of the Dragons. Side note: remember the blacksmith who petitioned Aegon and the sailor who talked with Corlys. Not saying more, but just note down their names, remember their faces.
@edwinsuijkerbuijk51067 ай бұрын
Do you think the child actors could have pulled of the scene as it is in the books convincingly ?
@Duke_of_Lorraine7 ай бұрын
Most of the King's Guard is probably sleeping, some members are on Rhaenyra's side so they aren't probably 9 yet anyway for the Greens, and Helaena is not as top priority as the king himself or Alicent (more hated by the Blacks than Helaena so a more logical target). I'd be surprised if more than 1 or 2 were awake at the time. I'd see Helaena maybe in 5th place of who to protect in priority. Aegon II is first (he's the king), then Alicent, then Otto Hightower, then Aemond (maybe the most hated but he can fend for himself so needs less protection if you have to choose), finally Helaena who is less high profile. If you have fewer than 5 guards at any given time, it's likely she isn't directly protected.
@Hadi-Khorsand7 ай бұрын
They are down 4 Kingsguard down, 3 with the Blacks, and one left. From 3 remaining ones, one is "busy", one is surly with the king, and the last won maybe with king too?
@eury-bosch7 ай бұрын
itd be interesting if it was actually ser Cole who was supposed to be guarding the heirs that night, but he was called away by Alicent. I still don't think that makes total sense, because I would ask why wouldn't he have another guard take his post? They could also have established that there were goldcloaks as well as kings guard acting as guards, and the gold cloaks could have been in on it; as it stands, though, there's just no guards. Would have been a pretty easy fix, I think, so its a weird oversight.
@Mai27087 ай бұрын
The reason there was no kingsguard was because it was supposed to be Criston Cole guarding that door. And well... we all know what he was busy doing.
@Ring3R7 ай бұрын
On the issue of where was the Kingsguard.....they just lost half of the Kingsguard (the ones who went over to the Blacks) so they're going to be spread more thin.....and the one Kingsguard who was responsible for the Royal apartments was in the middle of banging the queen. They set-up that the Queen sleeping with Cole was going to have repercussions with the earlier scene where she says it has to be the last time.
@jammyjamjars69957 ай бұрын
35:26 I think this would be resolved if it was Criston Cole who was supposed to be on post watching the Queen, but went to Alicent instead, making Alicent feel like the death of her grandson was her fault.
@joshb83027 ай бұрын
Shad, maybe consider having a cheat sheet with faces and names for these reviews. Doesn't need to be on screen, just something for yourself. I totally understand that the names are hard to keep track of.
@walkir26627 ай бұрын
People have been sentenced with murder for car racing on busy city streets and killing people on accident. They didn't intend to kill people - othrwise they would just have driven into crowds - but they tolerated the option. As far away as taht is, it's the closest I can compare to riding a dragon, losing contro land killing someone.
@kucing-slorg7 ай бұрын
I think the choice works for the guardsman, since... well... he does state he hates Hightowers and seems to be a brutal, violent man. Add to that the stress of going into the castle, the fear of being found out... I can see him doing something stupid like that.
@grahamsmith27537 ай бұрын
I was thinking exactly the same thing regarding the lack of guards. These two assassins appeared to have an unchallenged, free rein of the castle. For a show so well made as House of the Dragon, it was immediately noticeable. I'm hoping that when the event is investigated in episode two, it will be discovered that the guards had been ordered away for some reason...but by whom, and what reason were they given?
@Mordring7 ай бұрын
That's what happens when the writers change things from the book without thinking about them. In the books assassins get directly to royal chambers without needing to walk any corridors at all. And there ARE guards with the queen and the kids, but they're ambushed and killed (they didn't expect a threat to come from within the room). It's Rhaenys's dragon during coronation all over again, changing details for the sake of drama or shock values without thinking how any such change would have a dozen logical consequences to the story overall.
@grahamsmith27537 ай бұрын
@@Mordring Like I say, I'm hoping for a sensible explanation in episode 2. Don't get me started on changes to books. I absolutely love The Wheel of Time book series, and that's been bastardised big time by Rafe Judkins and his talentless team at Amazon.
@Somebody-pq1jq7 ай бұрын
i thought they could move freely because they were rat catchers
@grahamsmith27537 ай бұрын
@@Somebody-pq1jq You don't get to move freely around the royal family, whoever you are.
@BluegrassKnight7 ай бұрын
While I do agree with you Shad to an extent, I do think that at least one guard should have been by the heir's bed chambers and I do think it may have been Cole's doing, why there was no guards around on duty, so he could "bed" the Queen-regent! Though, I will point out that the assassins do pass some king's guard in the throne room, where the King was with his buddies, perhaps that could be a partial reason as to the absence of guards elsewhere or we may get more insight in the next episode, because that was an unusual plot hole for this show! Aside from that I thought the episode was good and I'm eager for the rest of the season, though I have to remind you to not let your "prudish nature" biased what you see, most people aren't overly religious and so don't mind or even want to see nudity in their shows, I know for me growing up, that is what separated a show I could watch as a kid, from what I could watch as an adult, so I don't mind a little, not to say I want full on porn either!
@Bigrago17 ай бұрын
For the King's Guard the only explanation I can think of is that they are all on the wall manning the giant crossbows watching for dragons. And maybe there's not enough now because some don't want to take part in the war or others have joined the Rhaenyra That is if the show addresses it.
@Hopeforstoicism7 ай бұрын
I think it is Deamon who told them that a substitute would suffice. They asked him " What if we can't find Aemond" and then they cut the scene prior to Deamon answering but then they say between them " a son for a son, he said" and "we have to kill a royal" etc so I am 99% confident Deamon gave the green light for this.
@BlackQback7 ай бұрын
Well, it's hard to have really medieval "feel" in GoT, when you choose a mostly Baroque city to film King's Landing, Quarth and some other places in (Dubrovnik, i.e. its old, well-preserved centre; sure it's origins, structure of the streets are medieval, but main buildings, squares, the staircase - all Baroque). IIRC, only one castle was truly medieval in appearance. Then, there's Winterfell -- a winter castle constructed so daftly, that, due to its flat and round roofs, it would crumble under the weight of autumn snows, to say nothing of winter ones. Steep roofs, as steep as possible! Couldn't the show "architects" either visit Austria and Switzerland, Italian Alpes... or at least browse through the architecture of buildings on high-altitudes (mountains) in monographs with high quality illustrations? Hmm... now I'll have to watch your video about Winterfell, to see if we agree on that. As far as "if women ruled there would be no wars", you only need to look at EU and see who's the most and the loudest in favour of escalation - and in the craziest ways - in the current Russian Federation vs. Ukraine war. BTW, the "women rule, fewer wars" sentiment was kind of repeated in GoT too, in conversation between Dany and Sansa, one of them says "everything would be better if women ruled".
@markjrbessett64297 ай бұрын
Rhaenyra is going to be pissed that this happened and rightfully so. At no point did she say she wanted a son for son or an heir for an heir, she said specifically she wanted Aemond Targaryen dead and him only, not an innocent child who had no part in her sons death. Also, where was the Kingsguard when the thugs walked into Helenas room? She is the Queen, she would easily have at least two or three guards outside her room at all times, especially during wartime.
@SightUnseen5557 ай бұрын
Her guards are explicitly mentioned in the books. They get ambushed and killed by Blood. Not sure why they decided to remove them here...
@SightUnseen5557 ай бұрын
@@sillylittlesheepjax6009 No, they don't. They're lazy justifications for a sloppily put together scene.
@billstephens3967 ай бұрын
Water was the freeways and highways of the world back in the day... Well, still important today...