Taking on the Red Pill | Men's Rights Activism

[@KnowingBetter]

**Regarding the 1 in 5 Statistic** I used the 2010 NIPSVS in my video is because that's the same source The Red Pill uses. If you accept that 1 in 4 men have been the victim of intimate partner physical violence, you have to accept that 1 in 5 women have been the victim of sexual violence in their lifetimes. You cannot agree with and accept the methodology of the study when it comes to a statistic you like, but dismiss it when it's a statistic you don't like. If you're going to say that some of those women are lying - I can just as easily say some of those men are lying. www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf

[@xixingpooh]

Thank you for providing a source KB, much appreciated. Ultimately I've commonly heard this statistic but never knew where it came from.

[@bannekerobedlam6805]

The NISVS EXCLUDES men "made to penetrate" from the category of rape victim. And according to them, 12-month prevalence of men being "made to penetrate" was the same as that of women being made to rape, from your link.

[@SkidMcmarxx]

There's one question/thought that I have about this, and it stems from that same "don't seek help" mentality that men have. I think a lot of these numbers are under reported in men, and especially when they're self reporting. My thinking is that a woman might call a slap abuse a lot faster than a man. Obviously I don't know this for sure but it is reasonable. Men are just not conditioned to spot abuse, or even realize they have grounds to be scared or afraid for their safety;. How many men are raped and never even realize it? I think it might be very useful to make men aware that they can be victims too, and maybe you'd see these numbers change in the future. Thanks for the video.

[@sangminyi93]

Wait hold up now You also said in your argument that men are less likely to seek help and then you pull this statistic with most of the data pointing to things like ptsd and going to a hospital afterwards. Isn't that feeding into the whole "men don't seek help" thing more than disproving the "men don't take violence as much as women?" Furthermore, why is there this whole stigma about physical violence being worse than verbal and emotional abuse? I get it shows on the surface and its easy to detect, but this cut and dry "nope physical pain for women = men aren't getting abused" is fucking weird. I've literally sat my parents down because I am old enough to know that my father's inability to adapt beyond a "man's purpose" and my mother inability to see her own ego and damaging manipulation.

[@nacoran]

Brown string tied around your finger for prostate cancer?

[@RichyArg]

"Dividing children is somewhat more difficult" King Solomon: "Allow me to introduce myself"

[@ahouyearno]

I now hate that story. His bluff of dividing a child would only work if he was already widely known to be a cruel king who'd split children for his amusement. The story doesn't prove him wise, it proves him feared with cause. Credibly threatening a woman to murder her child, to the point she's willing to give that child to someone else, is evil.

[@EliXerxers4590]

@@ahouyearno that's a foolish assesment but ok.

[@theblackcatvieweraccount5402]

@@ahouyearno the whole point was not to establish fear in his subjects, but rather to determine who the child's real mother was. The real mother would have felt that fear and done anything in her power to stop Solomon, which would be to give up her child. The kidnapper wouldn't have cared about the life as much, and would have bet the mother would give him up, which happened. The kidnapper wasn't expecting for the king to give the child back to the real mother, because she didn't understand that it was a test to see who the real mother was. It worked because the mother genuinely loved her child and kings of that age were often judge and jury, and would have people imprison or execute people all the time, be it kids or not and they often didn't care about P.R. He had the power to make that happen so she feared, and only her fear mattered. But It wasn't about the fear. It was about the mystery and how he used love to solve it. Because after all, if you love someone, don't you fear loosing them...

[@ahouyearno]

@@theblackcatvieweraccount5402 >the whole point was not to establish fear in his subjects, but rather to determine who the child's real mother was. The real mother would have felt that fear and done anything in her power to stop Solomon Exactly. That's my whole point. This fear could only be conjured if the king was already widely known to be cruel, someone who would split babies for sport. If Solomon were a wise and moral king, everyone would have called his bluff. A wise king doesn't split babies. >The kidnapper wasn't expecting for the king to give the child back to the real mother, because she didn't understand that it was a test to see who the real mother was And neither did the real mother know it was a test. She assessed Solomon as the kind of king who kills babies. As a subject, her opinion of her king tells me a lot about him. What part about threatening to kill a baby to a mother's face is moral? Remember, it was a credible threat, that tells us something about how Solomon was understood to rule, as a cruel and bloodthirsty king.

[@kennethsmith8344]

Rickterr brilliant

[@hopefulhyena3400]

KB: “It’s actually 3/4 now” Me: “hey that’s great to hear” KB: “because female suicide is on the rise” Me: “that’s not how I wanted that number to change”

[@lu.ciel8770]

Same lol went from :] to :[

[@alenasenie6928]

We are supposed to go down, not up

[@alenasenie6928]

By the way, were i live the rate is 90% + of suicides are men and the feminists that i have talked about that number completely ignore it as an issue and disregards it as if it was not important. In the same breath that they say that one suicide from a women is extremely important. The hypocrisy of them is what has made me reject the whole movement because of the inconsistencies between their discourse and their actions, that and the fact it is not just about gender is why i am in the egalitarian only position.

[@fartface8918]

@@alenasenie6928 ? get well soon

[@Darth_Bateman]

Honestly hearing about female suicide makes me feel sad. It was hard enough knowing that I could become a statistic because the void calls out to me a lot. “Hey, what if you just downed all of your adderal right now and overdosed and died? Eternal peace doesn’t sound so bad does it?” Is one I had about a month ago? Now I’m finding out that I live in a world where the better half is killing themselves too. I don’t get me sometimes. Because of the trauma and humiliation women have put me through, part of me hates women and embraces the red pill. Yet now i feel like the world is losing something with them gone? I do have hate for women , but I also have love for them and at the end of the day I don’t want to live in a world without women. So how the fuck can I help?

[@gay.mer9328]

I still find truck drivers admirable since they’re pretty much the lifeblood of my country.

[@augustosani]

-Jesus H. Christ Truckite 6:9

[@ZTheLastViking]

Exactly what he said didn't reflect the opinion of many people. Anyone who contributes their time and effort is admirable. From CEOs to dump truck drivers everything has to be done if we wanna run shit properly

[@HablaCarnage63]

Exactly. They make our life literally possible in most urban centers. Just look at the havoc going on now with “supply chain issues”. It’s also why the Teamsters is the most powerful private sector Union.

[@KrlsOtc]

Thanks G

[@honilock577]

Israel had truckers 2000 years ago?

[@warriorgirl126]

It is interesting how men are told “rub some dirt on it” while women who do seek medical care are told “your discomfort is normal, your condition isn’t serious” imagine if we had a healthcare system which all people were encouraged to use and when they did they weren’t condescended too.

[@jjoohhhnn]

We can't afford that, we need another 15 BILLION DOLLAR floating airport (before planes, staff and maintenance) to send to asia, to defend our freedoms.

[@kellykerr5225]

Some men just refuse help. I had a man tow truck driver who was beaten over the head several times with a man with a wooden cane. So that person went to jail and was deported. The tow truck driver had literal lumps on his head just like in a cartoon. Of course he refused to go to the hospital or anything. I tried really hard to get him to just put ice on it. I had it right there. But he said, no I don’t need that, I’m a man. Okay then.

[@lopiklop]

Just think about genital mutilation. One gender is totally normal. The other is terrible taboo that terrorists do. And there's hundreds of years of propaganda defending it. I'm sure they got the same thing for female genital mutilation. The term "male genital mutilation" itself has been replaced

[@midnight4685]

​@@kellykerr5225 Yeah, as the original comment said, it's terrible that men are raised to think that toughness is not requiring help and it's terrible that the medical field disregards women. The point is more the societal problem rather than current-day men, because yeah, we've already been raised under those standards. If we started teaching kids that it can be important to accept help sometimes, then less men and less people as a whole would refuse help.

[@Obs23456]

@@midnight4685 nobody is raised, predispositions to not requiring help is someone’s choice not toughness because they can bare pain without in certain situations wanting people around them. Stop talking beta.

[@PaigeSinclaire]

My father for most of my young life was a truck driver (after the Marines) one of the hardest working men ive ever known and without truck drivers food wouldnt be in supermarkets clothes wouldnt be in stores, i wish people appreciated truck drivers more.

[@ajnode]

No, he's a disrespectful piece of shit who litters urine filled Gatorade bottles all down highways and nothing else. How could you have been so foolish?

[@hustle6850]

That’s great but has nothing to do with his point?

[@PaninaroAurora]

They were for a while, in the 70s... Smokey and the Bandit FTW.

[@doctoroctopus2620]

@@nono-hv3so He is being sarcastic you idiot. Ironic you used the clown emoji.

[@carsoncoley1]

Won't matter soon. All truck drivers will be unemployed due to automation

[@johnnyburger7409]

I listened to this while I was driving my rig. How demoralizing

[@hamos4744]

If all the truckers stopped trucking, grocery stores would be empty within 3 days.

[@asoingbob5322]

Hamos 47 until self driving cars come out, or the world emds

[@Nick-go9yd]

Covid-19 should teach you that you are heroic

[@kylekowalczyk3437]

I think the way he portrayed truckers was not thought out well at all and unfairly put them down... Was not happy about that at all.

[@ianp2410]

Kyle Kowalczyk I think he meant more that they are harder to pair in a heroic light than firefighters, but I agree. He should have used a lot more tact.

[@AhriiiVT]

As a male who has been victim of physical and sexual abuses from a partner, I can say with confidence that men are far more likely to "suck it up" and fail to report such situations. And the point of Male mental health is another super accurate point. I refused help for 5 years after the abuse instances, because I was worried that I'd be shown as weak. After getting help, things mostly changed, but still, there is always that worry in the back of the head. And often, most people I sought help from said "oh just work out, or do something like that", because that was their way to tell me "oh you got beat and abused by a girl? Clearly you're just too physically weak" etc. (That was confirmed by clarification from those people). Unfortunately that had worsened everything. But times are changing so heres to trying to beat PTSD :)

[@alekxu]

Good luck man. Being able to admit weakness is a strength in itself. Being able to seek necessary support to take care of yourself is a sign of maturity. You are doing good.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

are you or are you not physically weak? if you are, then the advice to work out is sound. I was in many situations that could've been resolved in my favor if I was stronger. not just in the sense that I should've beaten the shit out of somebody - simply *knowing* that you can overpower your opponent (or at least stand a decent chance) is enough.

[@heartfulcry]

the men replying to this comment are evidence that MRAs are delusional for thinking that women are to blame for men being scared to show emotion or be delicate. i really pity all of you.

[@vibesaurusrex8808]

Nunoya bidness imagine is someone said this to a woman. “You were too weak so he beat you, take a little responsibility for it” yes males are genetically stronger than females but it’s not always like that and they shouldn’t blame themselves for “being too weak”

[@TheRealBeady]

Good luck mate. Ignore the troglodytes here in the comments. For me I just never saw the point in getting help, i hope you continue to grow and heal

[@mitchelltravis1187]

The 'Who is the bigger victim' take on equal rights blows my mind... I've had messed up stuff happen, but that doesn't diminish the bad things that have happened to anyone else - so many people seem to struggle with that idea though...

[@bowserjrrules8162]

A perfect way to describe the issues, it comes up a lot when trauma is brought up, yes there are war veterans and starving children in the world, but your parents abusing you is still something you have to deal with. Just because someone has it worse, doesn’t mean your issues don’t matter.

[@thomasjaggers3576]

Most people do not realize that marriage is the leading cause of divorce.

[@mercerblackwell]

And half of them? They end in death. True story.

[@thomasjaggers3576]

@@mercerblackwell if only half the people who got into cars made it to where they were going, would that be good?

[@Theryal]

@@thomasjaggers3576 lol

[@alfieh3477]

In Africa every 60 seconds, a minute passses

[@steveweinstein3222]

I read somewhere that screwing is a major factor in pregnancy.

[@danielthederanged9496]

"Dividing children is somewhat more difficult" _Laughs in Solomonic Judgement_

[@rowbot5555]

*Laughing in ICE*

[@romancultist6089]

@@rowbot5555 ... WAT?!?

[@hannahbenson1106]

I cackled when he held up the tiny axe 💀

[@undercoversquid1304]

@@romancultist6089 ICE is the acronym for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

[@romancultist6089]

@@undercoversquid1304 Oh tell me something I don't know wouldn't you?

[@jaymeVos]

I was in a physically abusive relationship for about seven years. Every time i tried to get help I was turned away because I am a guy. My girlfriend(ex) was extremely violent too. Really sucked. And I was molested by a women as a little kid. But I never learned to hate or mistrust females. I understand PTSD however. I suffered from some serious mental and emotional trauma. Therapy helped a lot. And my wife is very helpful! *edit* typos

[@hannahbenson1106]

Thank you so much for being brave and sharing your experience. I believe you and I stand with you. I hope you’re doing well

[@princessqueerbie7664]

oh you poor guy, im feminst, but we need to stop acting as if women are sooo weak and sweet they can't do anything wrong.

[@hannahbenson1106]

@@princessqueerbie7664 exactly! That’s part of the patriarchy. It’s the assumption that men are supposed to be dominant and strong (therefore if they’re victims they should “suck it up” instead of reporting/getting help) and that women are supposed to be submissive/weak (therefore it’s impossible for us to be abusers). Both women and men are capable of hurting/abusing people. Patriarchy just puts a stupid gendered lens on society and how we treat differently men/women as perpetrators/victims of abuse

[@princessqueerbie7664]

agree

[@thanosvala9237]

@@hannahbenson1106 LMAO blame everything for patriarchy.. actually women's becoming more violent because of biased law in judiciary system..and we should thnx to feminsit

[@sofijeffrey9797]

As someone who’s always legitimately cared about men’s issues (and women’s issues for that matter) it deeply pisses me off that it’s used as anti-feminist virtue signaling.

[@lopiklop]

Same here. I was raised femenist. Like not feminism as in "women are better than men" but like equal rights. I was raised by a single working mother. And there's no way to say that double standards for men exist without sounding like a bigot.

[@lopiklop]

Just think about genital mutilation. One gender is totally normal. The other is terrible taboo that terrorists do

[@lopiklop]

Men's rights is actually inherently an offshoot of feminism itself.

[@Obs23456]

@@lopiklop no there isn’t it’s already reality double standards always exist try again

[@Obs23456]

It’s good lmao deal with it women got handed benefits

[@Darkedge361]

as a victim of domestic violence as a male I can tell you that we are much more likely to not report that's why the statistics are so off and including injuries

[@Darkedge361]

@Johnny Bravo mine took it much farther than just slapping. I let her back me into a corner where she decided punching and grabbing my throat and slamming my head into a mirror we're good ideas, needless, I threw her about 6ft back and walked out.

[@baaaconman]

@Johnny Bravo if this is true you have committed a crime and could go to prison. You should stop telling people on the internet about it.

[@lukaw3667]

@@baaaconman SHE commited domestic violence and HE DEFENDED HIMSELF. And YOU are an IDIOT.

[@GuWopFOE]

I am a male that was a victim of domestic violence from my wife for 2 years. Police took it as a joke... Until i slaped the shit out of her... Then things became , lets say, more of an legal issue.

[@duckvenom]

This channel is a joke. he misrepresents everything I've ever Seen. My wife was a counselor at a domestic abuse center and her boss a good friend of mine. ive taken an interest in it and you can see the CDC and nih studies support MOST domestic violence is initiated by the female. Anyone questioning that need simply compare same sex relationships. men vs women. Also, child abuse. No question. this channel sucks. I would wager site unseen, he's probably wrong on most social issues.

[@thedude6021]

The messed up thing is, I got falsely accused of rape and won the case. Still I lost my job, apartment and some friends in the time and since then I have a big problem approaching women and have almost no contact to women, only the ones I knew before the incident. Everything I try to speak up about this I got to fear to sound like a MRA. Wich I am not. It is exhausting. I know I am in a minority here and not really important in the big picture, but it is hard to cope with this

[@tengeri.uborka]

I feel you Dude! I've found myself also in a situation where i couldn't trust women just as easily as before, but i've learned one important lesson on the way: It is my responsibility to be happy. So I started thinking about how to get out of this emotional mess, and i think i got out. I use some coping behaviour, but it helps dealing with lonelyness untill i find a good partner. You know, small steps, one at a time. You will get there. If you need some help, don't hesitate to ask. If you don't find anybody, pm me :)

[@thedude6021]

@@tengeri.uborka thanks for the offer, I appreciate it a lot. It happened almost 4 years ago and I start to gain my personality back. Luckily a lot of my friends stuck with me, they help me a lot. So I‘m fine and got people who help me, especially in the first few months they carried me a lot and lend me some money when I lost my job. I don‘t know how I’d gotten through this without them. Thanks for your kindness :)

[@tengeri.uborka]

@@thedude6021 You are most welcome! Good to hear you are doing better. :)

[@thedude6021]

@@tengeri.uborka I hope you‘re also doing better!

[@tengeri.uborka]

@@thedude6021 Thx, actually, i am doing better :) Good luck out there! ;)

[@JoseFerreira-dv7ur]

Old people have it the worst 100% of them die during retirement

[@naughteedesign]

what are the percentages of men to women who actually reach retirement?

[@czarpeppers6250]

@@naughteedesign Yeah.... but they deserve it. Damn all those dirty old people.

[@Adam-cj2jg]

Women have higher life expectancy... biology or environmental pressure? Afaik male and female individuals in animal species live around the same time, males dying a bit earlier on average due to fighting but...?

[@paranoidlol7061]

Not true

[@mokeymok958]

yeah except for all the old people who now have to mow lawns in 90 degree heat because they don't have enough saved for retirement

[@DarthBorehd]

When I was a victim of domestic violence, including having to go to the ER and call the police, I was ridiculed and turned away by medical providers, first responders, the police, and other government authorities. Shelters in my area would turn me, even with the children, away because they say they only help women. (Much thanks to WEAVE who was the exception and helped me without regard to gender). I have so many friends and family that something similar have happened to, it makes me dubious of the statistics that domestic violence is not as "serious" when it happens to men and the abuser is a woman. You quickly learn that the system is rigged against you and seeking help is only going to harm you more.

[@orchdork775]

Damn, I'm so sorry. I have a friend who has been beaten up many times by his girlfriend, and I often see him with black eyes and other injuries. He almost got out of the relationship after she cheated on him and then beat him so badly he had to call the police to get her off of him (they sent her to a psych ward for a 72 hour hold, but they released her after only 12 hours), but unfortunately it didn't last. He changed the locks and everything, but then he started sleeping with her again because he had "male urges" that he needed to satisfy, and now they are back together. She twists it around and insists that he is abusing her and that he is mentally unwell and an alcoholic etc, but I've never seen him disrespect her in all my time hanging out with them. I've seen her disrespect him literally constantly, admit to beating him up to me, and even threaten to do it again right in front of me while he was cowering in fear, still with a fresh black eye. It's honestly ridiculous, because I think she genuinely believes that she isn't abusing him. She always justifies her abuse by referring back to the rare time he allegedly put his hands on her, which I bet was because she provoked him if it's even true. It's like, if you aren't okay with something he did to the point that you think beating him up is justified, then just break up with him... It makes no damn sense. I have desperately tried to talk to her and get her to realize she is abusing him, but her resentment towards him blinds her from the truth. She projects all her own issues onto him, because she can't accept that she has mental health issues (likely bipolar disorder), so she has to blame it on him being crazy and abusing her. Anyways, sorry for the rant, it's just been hard since they got back together. He almost killed himself after he broke it off with her, and I saw how broken he was, so it kills me that he took her back. At least I was able to get him to start seeing a therapist which I'm really grateful for. I'd been trying for a while, and I finally broke through to him, so I hope he's still seeing the therapist. I haven't talked to him or heard from him in weeks, unfortunately.

[@boginoid]

@@orchdork775 *sigh* What you describe is sadly a common occurence amongst abuse victims, so there might be resources/information available on how to help your friend. A quick advice: if he is being stupid, tell him that his plan is a bad idea but don't rub it in his face. Give a warning, give an advice but do not tell him "I warned you/I told you so" just be there when he needs help, be empathetic. This way you won't tear him down but you let him know that he can count on you, that you keep a level head. Support him and remember you don't have to do this on your own.

[@vickimcburney8977]

So sorry. When my son called the police, they laughed at him. It is just wrong. We need better cops, period. I am a woman and the police did not help me during an attack by an ex. Again, WE NEED BETTER COOS, PERIOD AND BETTER LAWS

[@43v3rTHEPIZZA]

No Davis Aurini cosplay is complete without barely drinking anything from your glass over a long period of time.

[@kazmark_gl8652]

"You would think Davis would have absorbed some of it through osmosis by now"

[@brandonsalt6668]

Where is the skull ;)

[@MrAwesomeTheAwesome]

@@brandonsalt6668 It's there. It's one of the first things I noticed.

[@irishcream9004]

And telling people you disagree with that they are virgins while larping as a catholic

[@rwatertree]

Aurini isn't even a MRA. He's always ranting about how they're leftists and feminists and not real men.

[@Styggejoe]

Any physical violence is a valid amount of abuse to seek help. Most abuse isn't physical.

[@SevScout]

AAAnd a winner is you.

[@andreraymond6860]

I made my wife aware of how often she slaps me (just a slap on the arm the way you would gently slap a pet dog to signal disapproval) by slapping her back. At first she was outraged that I would retaliate at all and then when I pointed out she had just used physical violence to rebuke me and that I didn't like it, she stopped. It just goes to show that we (males) are just supposed to take it (even the most gentle king of 'it') in silence, whereas women are not.

[@512TheWolf512]

@@andreraymond6860 and I am proud to be able to to take it, both physically and mentally

[@snowtrooper514]

Which I think gets to the point that due to toxic masculinity, men are expected to tolerate it. If we as a society understand that men have feelings as well, men wouldn't be ashamed to find help out of such relationships as they would no longer be in a position to that society expects them to tolerate.

[@JohnathanJWells]

@DogEatDog Yeah thats the biggest issue with the word. The phenomena it describes is real, but its so awfully named you cant get anyone behind it.

[@CristalianaIvor]

What anoys me is that this is kinda portrayed like its a "men against women" thing. No. Feminism and mens rights are not mutually exclusive. We can just work TOGETHER against social injustice in the world.

[@JROB447]

literally men's rights has the patriarchal expectations and structure to blame for damn near everything.

[@hoppeansnakememes3455]

@@JROB447 Assuming that's true, that means patriarchy negatively effects men just as it does women, in which case, it is disingenuous for feminists to complain about male privilege if they acknowledge that the powers that be harm men and women equally.

[@Dead_Goat]

While mens rights is for equality feminism is no longer for equality. They already achieved that as we do have laws stating male and females are equal under the law. I am not sure why he thinks it was shot down.

[@trishpiglet]

@@Dead_Goat Depends which feminist you speak to. I don't use the term to describe myself because of the vast amounts of poop talked by some people who do call themselves that. I'd rather say I believe in equality

[@onionpotato3396]

The reason I used to be a feminist but am now a MRA is that it slowly dawned on me that feminists have no intention of ever working on men's equality issues. They care more about women paying sales taxes on tampons than they do about the 4 year life expectancy gap. So I agree that they are not mutually exclusive in theory, but I'm sad to say that most feminists treat them as mutually exclusive.

[@AmeliaMastervally]

Chimamanda Adiche Ngozi in her book "we should all be feminists" says feminism is as much about allowing women to br strong as it is about allowing men to be vunerable. If women are viewed as capable people theyre able to shoulder some of the burden men force themselves to carry. Feminism isnt about women taking over jobs or wearing pants, its about recognising the humanity in everyine, and giving them teh chance to be who they want to be, men included

[@WarPigstheHun]

Exactly.

[@michaely.4071]

In regards to firefighters and on-duty deaths. I am in no way an expert on the matter, but I do know there is a significant increase in cancer rates among firefighters. I've read in the past that cancer death rates are as much as 14 percent higher than that of the general public. It's been a disregarded problem in the fire service for years. A lot if it is due exposure to the carcinogens involved in burning buildings. Many departments and agencies, including my own have gone through great lengths to prevent it. Washing gear after fire calls, cleaning SCBA equipment. Proper ventilation for harmful diesel fumes. I'm not sure how it weighs in with the statistics you researched, but the long term risk of being a firefighter shouldn't be overlooked. None of that is to discredit the dangers of being a truck driver. Truck drivers get a lot of respect from me, honestly. It can be a thankless job and transportation truly is the backbone of our society and economy. That being said, long periods of sitting sitting down can be horrible for your backbone. On top of that, there is a massively increased risk for Pulmonary Embolisms, which if bad enough will kill you nearly instantly. Throw the risk of death and dismemberment from traffic incidents, as well as all the other health issues that come from a sedentary lifestyle (diabetes, coronary artery disease and the like). I can see why it's the more acutely deadly career.

[@adelahogarth2761]

Makes sense. Most homes are an environmental hazard on their own simply as if, but could you imagine stuff like burning creosote or insulation bats and breathing that shit in?

[@robwind8061]

Proper ventilation of Diesel fumes for firefighters? I'd put that in the Truck Driver category myself.

[@TomYawns]

This channel is so cucked. Women don't want to be truck drivers (with a few badass exceptions) and most women who want to be firemen shouldn't (with the few badass exceptions that can pass the physical standards set for men, because there are physical skills required in a service revolving around saving lives and carrying bodies out of danger, sometimes through several flights of stairs).

[@alex-qd6of]

@@TomYawns I assume different firefighters have different jobs, with varying degrees of physical arduousness. They should be able to pass the test for the job they're applying for. Calling the dude a cuck, is misandrist.

[@briancrawford8751]

You forgot the hemorrhoids!

[@MDAdams72668]

there are more truck drivers then firemen or coal miners that's why there are more "absolute deaths" in fact as a percentage loggers rank highest

[@redpanda7967]

M D Adams logger is the manliest job lol

[@maxsimes]

no in fact as a percentage US presidents rank highest. they also rank highest on "jobs where you can get murdered"

[@zacnieprawisz9171]

Chris Why are you so triggered?

[@del.see.oh.89]

@Chris I doubt he enjoys watching his partner get pounded by another. I don't doubt that you're an uncultured, low income middle America woman hating degenerate though.

[@drew7155]

@@archdukefranzferdinand567 why tf are we talking about absolute numbers? To distort reality and make an insincere point, that's why. Let's talk percentages, as we always should regarding matters like this. Judging from your comment I'll bet you are a "beta cuck" in your personal life. Constantly trying to negotiate for sex and getting rejected. No need to tell me I'm wrong, if it weren't true, you wouldn't have rushed to his defense on such an arbitrary statistic.

[@paulocanecarlthedamnjohnson]

Me: imma be a truck driver cuz I have no life Knowing better: TRUCK DRIVERS HAVE THE HIGHEST DEATH RATE Me: o_0

[@InnocuousRemark]

It's the highest absolute number but nowhere near per capita.

[@fxDELTAx]

Ever seen the show, ice road truckers?

[@samgeorge4798]

I don't see a downside to this

[@denizen7even]

Yeah I was a delivery truck driver for Lowe's for a couple months. I didn't even know I was so deadly

[@denizen7even]

*it was so deadly

[@perennementedistratta]

Reading all the comments about guys who were denied help for being a male victim of a female abuser or about those who were too afraid to seek help, because they knew they would be labeled as 'weak', breaks my heart. You deserved to be heard, helped and supported💙. Recognising that you need help and seeking help is one of the bravest thing you could ever do, don't let anyone convice you otherwise💓. I wish all of you the best❤️❤️❤️.

[@felixmbandandayitabi4536]

Perché rubi i detti di mia madre? 🤔😜🤔

[@GunLut]

I can't believe that shaun agreed to be in your background the whole video.

[@CoryMck]

Cute cameo

[@zenmaster8]

he also did a great cameo for philosophy tube. He's getting popular

[@GoErikTheRed]

I didn't even realize lol

[@sapphireblanche7823]

Na he's making fun of this anti-feminist, racist neckbeard named Aurini. Watch hbomber vids for context.

[@CoryMck]

@@sapphireblanche7823 He criticized Shaun and Cody Johnston in his Columbus video. Wrongly I might add.

[@xdproductions3087]

Those piss filled bottles are often due to very tight schedules where even stopping to piss can sometimes lead to the drivers being penalized or even fired if they are late on pickups or deliveries

[@Gisiebob]

so it is fine then? ...and if it isn't fine then who is responsible for changing that?

[@user-rx4jg8lq7h]

@@Gisiebob I don't think they were saying it was fine (if anything, I think they meant the opposite). I also find that wrong. Schedules should allow reasonably for comfort breaks. Important for health.

[@Gisiebob]

@@user-rx4jg8lq7h great. how does that happen? who is responsible for changing that?

[@user-rx4jg8lq7h]

​@@Gisiebob We all are, of course :) For example, I am a feminist and now this will be one of the things I will advocate for. And you can do it in whatever capacity you feel most comfortable.

[@StAngerNo1]

@@user-rx4jg8lq7h This is also a symptom of barely limited capitalism in the US. I live in europe and I nevers see those kinds of bottles. At least along the highways there are a lot of reststopps with toilets and drivers have to do socalled "steering breaks" every few hours and have a limited maximum "steering time" per day. So if you make a break early you can do a shorter break later or drive longer in the evening.

[@scottadler]

My father was nearly killed by his wife. He didn't need a shelter because he was hospitalized for nearly a month. The police never even talked to her because, yah gotta understand, she's a girl, butter wouldn't melt in her mouth! She then tried to steal his business through "community property."

[@marthas9255]

when will you people finally realise it's bad people and decent people? and not gender/sex? There are still hard physical caps that separate us but shit, idk how to tell you except that you're blind. It's a simple truth you come to realise when you're in grade 1 - it ain't boys vs girls, it's smart people vs average or dumb people, bad people vs more decent people vs strange folk destined for greater things. And what part of you were the ones who perpetuated your own problems do you not understand? Which is why at the end of the video, he mentioned terms like patriarchy, toxic masculinity that includes the very situation you are bringing up. Everyone wants to stop these stupid notions but it is your fellow men that uphold it the strongest. "But look at this one bad woman!" is not an argument. Work together and solve problems for fucks sake or do you just want to lash out at an easy target? Can't even be honest with yourself.

[@carrieb5711]

And the state that I live in that has been bound on stout. If the man calls the police and says that his wife has hit him and they were bruises on him she subject to being arrested also

[@scottadler]

@@carrieb5711 I don't understand. What do you mean by "And the state that I live in that has been bound on stout." What do you mean by "stout"? Do you mean that the state is fat, or that it likes dark beer? You say that the wife is "subject to being arrested also," but in reality, that rarely happens. If the girl broke her fingernail while stabbing him with a screwdriver, he goes to jail. That's the rule.

[@reneedailey1696]

Sorry the cops failed your father.

[@misery8264]

It makes me sad that so many of these discussions end with people either hating on men or women. We're all in this together, I can listen to my guy friends talking about their issues, and they listen to me when I tell them why it's so scary to walk home alone at night. I don't make them feel weak when they cry, and they encourage me to follow my stereotypically male passions even when other men insult me because of those interests. We don't need to be on one side or the other.

[@CribbzBoi]

Tbf, regarding the walking home alone at night. Men are more likely to be a victim of public sphere violence (by another man) but society rarely acknowledges that harsh reality

[@gkezele]

I looked up some information about what it takes to become a firefighter in the US. You have to pass a strenuous physical test that is VERY upper body intensive, including carrying a full grown adult human up and down flights of stairs. What I found was that even most MEN cannot pass the physical test to become firefighters, so given that men have a strength advantage over women in the first place, only a very very small percentage of women would be able to pass the physical test to become a fireman. Not only that but you would need those women who qualify to WANT to be a fireman, so the pool of women who want to be firemen AND can pass the physical test is exceedingly small, therefore there arent too many women firefighters.

[@Dan1elAndrade]

As a commenter above said, "if women don't qualify most of the time, men can't complain that they are being forced into dangerous jobs." Obviously most firefighters will be men, but you can't complain that you're being forced into a dangerous job because people hate men and consider them disposable, more men die in work-related jobs because they are more likely to pass the tests those jobs require in the first place, not because of a fucking feminist conspiracy.

[@Nosvenicar]

@@Dan1elAndrade But he makes the point that women are apparently being "kept out" of jobs like firefighting, as if it has nothing to do with the statistics of physicality. Can you think of even a single "Zarya" you personally know? What about men of somewhat similar proportions (ie. stout, high upper-body strength, toughness). It seems pretty obvious that there are other factors at work besides men just not letting women fight fires because patriarchy.

[@Mr._Anderpson]

@@Nosvenicar Of course the issue is capability, not sexism. Were women better equipped than men to deal with these situations, there isn't a firefighting crew in the nation which wouldn't be staffed primarily by women, because the system isn't a boy's club instituted to prefer the penis. It seeks candidates based on the criteria of competence & excellence.

[@darrekworkman8685]

@@Dan1elAndrade Men don't 'complain' about being forced into dangerous jobs. The complaint is that there isn't any recognition of the dangers men are expected to face, there is a deference. Having feminist tell men that women don't need no man, complain when men don't act to save women, and then tell men that they shouldn't expect gratitude for doing what they consider the bare minimum men should do for women (who don't need them). Let's just leave that whole sentence at a couldn't they at least think their own sh*t THROUGH!!! It isn't complaining about the JOBS it's complaining about the attitudes that so many have about how they treat the people doing them. It isn't even a complaint about 'showing gratitude' as much as it is a complaint about making everything about themselves. Gratitude from someone who doesn't even understand what it is they expect from others isn't very useful anyway. GAH!! Make some sense pls, at least some sense, or try to at least. As for the whole fucking feminist conspiracy thing. The feminist conspiracy is the constant argument that the only reason there aren't more female firefighters is because of the fucking patriarchy conspiracy. If the reason that more men die as firefighters (and truckdrivers) is because more men can make the standard requirements than the feminist argument that women are just as capable as men doesn't hold water. Not that it should actually be a competition in the first place. Again pls make some SENSE!! P.S. all the comments were directed at feminist arguments not to the commenter, sry if that sounds confusing.

[@juliannah5721]

@@Nosvenicar I know, right? As soon as he said that, he negated every other point he would've had to me. That was such bullshit, like, dude. Cmon. These ladies CAN'T do the requirements. I'm sure they're welcomed to try out, they just can't hack it. We keep allowing people into positions they're not qualified for, bc it is politically correct and hurts feelings (the very worst thing that could ever fucking happen in 2019) if they aren't qualified. And then the world is run by people who aren't capable, and shit falls apart. It's ridiculous.

[@nickanand8087]

One slight issue with your points. Although 91% of cases May not go to family court, it’s because a lot of men avoid family court due to known biases (that you have acknowledged as well).

[@pinonnut]

Oh my gosh, in New Mexico all women get free lawyers if they claim domestic violence, if you dispute it goes unquestioned.

[@altrag]

That's probably true in some percentage of cases, but the far more common reason is that lawyers are insanely expensive and going through family court is a long and painful process. . Most cases get resolved via some form of mediation. Its similar to family court in some ways but its typically much cheaper and faster (if you and your ex can can agree to terms.) The downside of course being that you don't get to walk away with a formal court order so there's always the chance that the other party will renege on the agreement and force a trip to court anyway. . Also, I'm not sure how widespread it is but at least in my jurisdiction, you're practically forced to attempt mediation before a judge is even willing to hear your case.. primarily done so that the courts don't get bogged down with things that can potentially be settled more amicably. Which they often can even if neither party believes it going in. . Basically, for the statistic to be particularly relevant, mediation needs to be accepted as a viable alternative to family court so that that 9% number can be boosted to something more meaningful on a larger scale.

[@hughiemg2]

Also, due to men still paying the majority of alimony and child support they end paying for both sets of lawyers. For many they can’t afford to go to court

[@nickdengh3095]

I think the rape stats are a little bit inaccurate because men might not report or even talk about what happened.

[@Adam-cj2jg]

x ThermalHates x they're shunned if they do and not taken seriously, so a lot of them don't. Plus media will call it "seduced" instead of rape like with all those paedo schoolteachers who are women

[@silverscorpio24]

I watched a video of an experiment done in the UK. For half an hour, a man was verbally and physically bullying a woman in a park. 33 people stopped to help the woman. Then they switched places, and the woman was bullying the man for 30 minutes. 3 people stopped to help.

[@MrCococda]

Silver Scorpio you’ve witnessed reality my friend.

[@w77eed]

Or you witnessed an edited video. 30 min really. Did you watch the whole thing.

[@silverscorpio24]

@@w77eed Look it up if you don't believe me

[@Betweentheraindrops8]

And if we've seen the same video, a lot of people laughed and recorded it on their phones when the woman was being physically aggressive with the man.

[@MeisterHaar]

yes! sure it fits with what can be seen in the video. people expecting the man the solves the problem on his own especially when he is up against "just" a bullying woman is part of the same toxic masculinity stuff that feminism fights against.

[@Tsudkyk]

I was a witness to a sexual assault while in the military and had to talk to investigators- I was specifically told to keep what I know to myself. The men at the command labeled this woman as a “slut” and she is only saying it was assault because “she is embarrassed that someone found out.” This type of treatment from her peers was traumatizing- she didn’t feel safe so she was removed from the command.

[@johanmetreus1268]

That is outrageous, telling a witness to be silent should carry twice the penalty of whatever crime was witnessed.

[@-paganless-4248]

😖

[@ИльяКонстанта]

I find that very hard to believe

[@कनलदअ_गनगयव]

@@ИльяКонстантаno cap, misogyny is uncanny backrooms and not real my ohio in christ!!

[@SuperGoodMush]

​@@ИльяКонстанта good thing your opinion is inconsequential then.

[@JayMoreau]

2:02 “they” didn’t. An independent female filmmaker did. She was intending to lampoon them. That should be on record in an unbiased review.

[@limeadel303]

Jay Moreau Actually no, it was originally by Tom Leykis. Try again

[@peterfranke4626]

@@limeadel303 oh, "the red pill" , made by filmmaker cassie jayes was made by Tom leykis? How is that?

[@user-sw1wq8lh2w]

what's the evidence she planned to lampoon them? And I mean evidence, not like her claims to be a feminist.

[@theblackcatvieweraccount5402]

@@user-sw1wq8lh2w I claim to be a in support of Martin Luther king Jr. and his movement. How do I prove that?

[@bpj1805]

@@user-sw1wq8lh2w Her own words.

[@lowkeybeat]

My ex tried to stab me in my sleep when she was drunk. I called the cops and they threatened to arrest me.

[@isnitjustkit]

I highly doubt that

[@novarem9828]

Then you've never had a crazy gf

[@lowkeybeat]

@@isnitjustkit it's what happened apparently throwing her out is assault

[@isnitjustkit]

Chris Medeiros I doubt that even more

[@yah_boy_fat_gabe8094]

@@isnitjustkit ladies and gentlemen, this what you see here is called "Sexism". I can almost guarantee you that if a woman said that you'd believe her.

[@LegalAutomation]

I know that this video is just a layman’s perspective of the issues, but the video is a bit off when it comes to the family court system. I work in domestic relations (family law) and criminal defense. The issues are on a state by state basis. For example, in my home state of Oregon, the law states that the court cannot award parents joint legal custody of a child unless the parents both agree to joint legal custody. As a result, in Oregon women are awarded sole custody in the vast majority of cases. However, if I travel 20 miles north to Washington State, the laws say that there is a presumption that the parents should be awarded joint child custody, unless one of the parents can prove that joint custody is not in the best interest of the child. Therefore in the state of Washington, joint legal custody is the most common outcome. I wish my state laws would change to be more fair to men in child custody situations. I could go down a long rabbit hole of other issues with men on the court system, but it’s KZbin and nobody reads long comments anyways. ***Edit: I’m shocked regarding the number of upvotes and comments! I’m happy to answer questions and I’ll try to answer questions as I am able to***

[@Rasayana85]

And yet your comment have 7 likes after 3 days, on a year old video, where people have to toggle "sort comments newest first". I think you could go down the rabbit hole, and still having people read it. How does the statistics look in your state? Can you compare to the aforementioned neighboring state? [EDIT] "comment" instead of "video" [/EDIT]

[@Vishal-cq7ez]

but aren't men known for giving up the sole custody to women. how true is that in reality??

[@asiyaehsan1682]

oi, write a long comment lmaooo

[@wolfbones666]

Read your comment. Appreciate your input

[@LegalAutomation]

Rasayana85 I don’t know the exact statistics. I do recall seeing statistics in a Continued Legal Education seminar last year though. The info may be available online. I just recall that the scales were not very balanced.

[@validark]

I remember around 2015/2016 a woman teacher was arrested for raping one of her students (a boy i think he was 13) and a article talking about it got shared to an MRA fb page and then a bunch of comments got screenshotted and were put into a tumblr post talking about how MRAs were hypocrites (like a good 50 comments each with tens-hundreds of likes) All of the comments talked about how "lucky" he was and how "oh if i was his age and MY teacher" basically congratulating this child on being raped cause his rapist was "pretty" It ended up a big talking point for awhile (if im remembering right) cause like just before it came out MRAs had been going on a "men and boys can be raped too!" Spree (which no one had been denying) but then this happened and suddenly it wasnt rape cause the teacher was hot

[@austinscott4695]

Bro are you serious? Facebook, twitter and most of the other platforms are liberal hotspots.

[@Werebat]

Did the whole bus get up and clap after this?

[@Raztiana]

Exactly! This is toxic masculinity! This boy is not seen, treated and respected as a victim of rape and abuse, because far too many men don't understand, that men don't want sex all the time, with any "pretty" woman. And a 13 (!!!) year old boy is likely not ready for that at all, even with a same-age partner. The perpetrator's attractiveness is not relevant. Their actions and the lack of consent is.

[@TheOnlyToblin]

This is still extremely prevalent, especially online and it's fucking disgusting. Rape is rape. Period. Consent matters.

[@lopiklop]

What i think we need to realize is that the only difference between concern for boys being harmed and concern for men being harmed is just a year. You think vulnerable people suddenly gain power because it's their birthday? That's a fantasy. If anything it's less power because if they're an 'adult' it's ok to stop pretending to care.

[@DaveFurbush]

As a divorced man, my original exposure to the MRA scene, and my primary motivation for briefly falling down the Red Pill rabbit hole, was the heartbreaking reality of the family court system. The false assumption and majority of judgements that indicate fathers are somehow second class parents. There are, without question, plenty of parties that exploit this shit to destroy father/child relationships, while wringing said fathers out, financially. I appreciate the statistics you’ve presented. My own anecdotal experience makes it difficult to not lean in that direction. I’d currently call myself a Father’s Rights Supporter/advocate. I realize it’s all a complex issue, and there are farrrrr too many troubling implications associated with MRAs, and I’m not interested in being connected to any uncomfortably cringe ideology. We really should work together to fix all of the old world “traditional” toxic horseshit that’s plagued our species since time immemorial.

[@obscuredictionary3263]

I totally agree with agree. Its a problematic bias that impacts people badly.

[@user-rx4jg8lq7h]

I'm so sorry you went through that. I absolutely believe fathers are disadvantaged in this and it is completely unfair and unjust. I fully agree with your last sentence that we should work together to fix all of the old world “traditional” toxic horseshit. I am a woman and very interested in men's rights and wanting to advocate for them, so at first I went to talk to MRAs. Sometimes I had some nice conversations, but most of the time it became very vicious. Rather than discussing men's rights with me, they were mostly interested in spending the time on me "proving" that as a woman I was committed to men's right, and wanting me to "disavow" feminism (I am a feminist also). Anything I said that was slightly different from how they would formulate it, would imply I am an "evil woman who wants to dominate men". Also, giving a female perspective on the issue being discussed was not allowed. In the end it felt to me they were much more a group interested in hating on feminism than they were actually interested in men's rights, so not really what I'm looking for. It's such a pity that the MRA movement is so problematic, because where do us normal people interested in men's rights go? I don't personally think feminism can do it even though I am a feminist; men deserve their own movement. Maybe you are right and it should not be in the form of an ideology, but usually it helps to have a common name for an issue. Finally, thanks for your compassion and for being a kind human being despite the unjustice done to you.

[@lucyla9947]

I myself have seen that Fathers tend to get the short end of the stick when it comes to custody splits, my parents got divorced when I was young and my Mom has most/total custody, however my Dad has Bipolar that lands him in the hospital every now and again so I kinda get why that would happen, however my Mom's current Boyfriend had 4 children with his previous Wife and the Mother had total/most of the custody (like he gets 2 weekends a month with the kids), and there is no reason to keep the children away from him as he can provide for them adequately and isn't a terrible or Abusive person.

[@TheShadowChesireCat]

I agree to some degree, though I'm a Feminist. Too many family court calls are made without adequate consultation or consideration of the child's, or children's, needs. I know I wasn't consulted, and living with my father was the worst thing for me. The assumption that fathers are incompetent in caregiving damages those that are the better/stable parent, plus the "old world thinking" gives a pass to horrible fathers doing harm cause we expect them to be bad or not as involved. We need to shed all these ideas so we stop doing harm to kids, like myself many years ago.

[@GigsofRam]

My dad also suffered from this and it's why I don't really know my step sister. But I do hate that women (in general) are blamed for it. Most judges are men and more than likely, it's a man that passes judgement ripping children away from their fathers because _they_ believe that only women can take care of children. I find it extremely unfair that these judges are never blamed for their antiquated ideas and it's always the women's fault. Judges are supposed to be impartial. They're supposed to look at a case objectively, and male judges (along with female judges) rip children away from their fathers. They need more scrutiny from the MRA groups. It's incredibly annoying, that MRAs let these judges do whatever with no blame. Unless the judge is a woman. Than you hear it all over reddit.

[@contactlight8079]

On the domestic abuse side of things, Just because men can 'take' the punch or slap or shove, doesnt mean they should have to and to say that because women live in more fear of it doesnt mean that its not an equivalent issue.

[@221Prohunter]

Contact Light Yeah, I found that argument to be very weak. A woman who constantly hits her boyfriend shouldn’t be discredited as part of the statistic because the one time he hits back, she gets bruised from it. Also, one second he was talking about how men tend to not show their emotions as much because they’re told to “grin and bear it” and then the very next he’s telling us that men are less often abused, which is solely based on self-reports. Of course men are less likely to report when they were emotionally or physically abused by an SO if they’re actively discouraged from showing their emotions on things like that.

[@skybluskyblueify]

"[E]quivalent issue." What do you mean by this? 1]Equivalent in its importance because all sexes/genders should have safety? 2]Or equivalent because the outcome of the domestic violence is the same?

[@contactlight8079]

@@skybluskyblueify The first I think. Because a bloke can generally do more damage to women, it doesnt make the actions of a male any worse than the actions of the female. Both male and female abusers need to be treated as equal. I do find that one side of domestic violence is treated a lot more seriously than the other.

[@youare5907]

Contact Light when did he say men should have to take it...?

[@freaki0734]

@@youare5907 that's not what he said he said there clearly is a can and not a should

[@EmperorTigerstar]

22:52 exactly. They don’t need to oppose each other. We’re all evolving here.

[@Kurvaux]

EmperorTigerstar Now I know why I see you in the comments of all those leftubers. Anyway love the vids

[@80ki68]

What's this kiddo doing here?

[@avzarathustra6164]

Lol, TigerStar.

[@thiccchungo1041]

Whelp,

[@alexandrub8786]

That explain why Monsiezur Z said that you two don't have a good relation.

[@Vikingbiznitch]

My friend's gf started destroying his house with hammers. He called the police to have her removed n she said he assaulted her. He was arrested. With NO evidence. He was released the next day, but barred from going home by a protective order. They gave her his house y'all. She had a week to destroy without consequence, but that didn't satisfy her anger so she lied about him violating the order. AGAIN, he was arrested with NO evidence. She set out to make him lose EVERYTHING. His house, his car, his personal property, even visitation with his kids. He spent over 6 weeks in jail!! Now he's being told the police did nothing wrong. There's no recourse for him. There's nothing he can do about it. HOW!? HOW does this happen in modern day America?

[@danieldaniels7571]

This is disturbingly similar to what my ex-wife did to me when she abandoned me.

[@Scar-jg4bn]

This crap happens all the time. Women are given no accountability in the legal system.

[@loganblackwood2922]

This is the gynocentric society feminists want and got. We are at war, gentlemen.

[@jtl-en4yx]

Because women are always seen as the victims in our feminist controlled society!

[@Т1000-м1и]

Hyper-optimized systems that work to help everyone nation-wide but only in the specific cases they're optimized for. Why? How to fix? We can't put those things on a slogan, so the only thing those people have left is to go along in at least some way with movements some of which are basically fascist

[@indigo6842]

Discrimination against men in child custody hearings is a real thing.

[@beatlesfoxman9617]

Yes, because patriarchal social standards dictate that a woman should be the one to raise children, not because of some social privilege of women in general. Men too are victims of patriarchy, but women still have it worse in general

[@K.Marie119]

I don't think he was trying to deny that some family courts are biased. I think he was trying to stress that the statistic that ~80% of custodial parents are women is a bit misleading because the majority of those didn't go to court. You have to single out the 2-10% of divorces that actually result in custody trials.

[@viktorgabriel2554]

@@beatlesfoxman9617 no the family courts are built in the favor of women there is massive amount of statistical prof of that

[@Cherrypi393]

Viktor Gabriel can you not read? He’s saying that is because of a patriarchal society that views child rearing as women’s work. In a more equal society, women or men would both be viewed as capable

[@thewickedjester7495]

@@beatlesfoxman9617 That, or women just don't want their ex husbands to see their kids. It's really easy to just blame a made up thing instead of just acknowledging that some people are just shit. This includes women. Why would the patriarchy, which is supposedly around just to benefit men, hurt men by taking their kids away? This hypocrisy is why I don't subscribe to modern feminism

[@grbradsk]

I remember my brothers crazy wife. She disappeared one day to a woman's shelter claiming he was beating her. No prior reports, but it was also nonsense -- my brother is on the Asperger's spectrum and is incapable of actually executing violence ... he was beat up a lot in school and by his brothers. It took a long time for him to even open communication with his kids again and he lost all custody/rights (he didn't have a lot of money, didn't know how to use the legal system). Finally he got a new girl friend who helped him sort it out. By then 3 years later, he was able to get one kid back because he was wandering the neighborhood begging for food. The other kid was too far gone/poisoned. Kid one had to have his teeth completely redone since they were rotting. Kid number 2 was finally returned in another year when wife was homeless and obviously crazy. She died a couple years later of a brain tumor. It was a complete fail of the legal system. Via family, we were able to rehabilitate kid one, became an IT guy, I helped him get an increasing series of better and better jobs though not clear he ever finished high school. Kid 2 never quite recovered. He's sort of scitzo-affective holds a job a lot of the time, periodic crisis. This disaster was because of a biased system that ended up deeply hurting some kids and my brother who is actually a sweetheart and has since raised some other kids just fine.

[@yodesuyo]

Wow

[@seansu1248]

so your brother was beat up by his brothers a lot? why didn't you stop this???

[@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar]

Jeez, that wow, really sucks.

[@carrieb5711]

I can believe that this really happened but to say someone on the islesburg spectrum is incapable of violence is a huge fallacy! No one capable of violence. I say this is a mom who has two kids with disabilities it's absolute hogwash

[@darthimperious1594]

I am a victim of both physical violence and emotional abuse from my wife, and then I was falsely accused of abusing her in turn, which led to my joy seeing my son since March despite my desperate desire to, and my attempts to work with the court system and my attorney to do so. My wife receives 65% of my gross income (not net) leaving me barely able to survive. When this was being decided by the judge, he listened to my wife's attorney, and when it came time for me to be heard, the judge said to me "I don't think there's anything you can say to change my mind." And he was right. After I spoke three words, the judge said "That means sit down." I then had the terms of the pedante lite agreement dictated to me. I'm not a source of statistics. But I am appalled that you think this isn't a problem. Statistics only tell a part of the story. For example, legal custody, you are correct. It has been becoming more even. But what about physical custody? I notice you didn't cover that in your video because it doesn't agree with your point. I respected how you researched facts, but in this case you did not dig nearly deep enough. You watched one video, checked their sources, and did your best to refute them.

[@theblackcatvieweraccount5402]

This wasn't a video this was a movie, documentary. I highly recommend it. It points out the nuances in the statistics that he even brought up and ignored the nuance. For example the number of abused men (being 1 in 5 (he said it was now 1 in 4)) is theorized to be much higher than the stated statistic because of the lack of reporting by men because of the backlash men get when they do report abuse. For example in instance where a man gets hit or beaten and he calls the cops, all the wife has to say is that he he was the one hitting her and the police will arrest him without question. Now instances like that in my example are happening less and less because of the awareness of the red pill movement, but it still happens. That leads men to not report when they are being abused. And until recent years, a lot of people insisted that you can't rape a man. So men who did get raped were often laughed at and disregarded. In the more recent years, they're still laughed at and a lot of times disregarded. The courts also don't do anything to the abusers as a result of the victim being a man. Also leading to a lack of reporting.

[@lachusity]

that sounds fishy, it seems you are not telling us the whole story

[@lachusity]

@Profit Glutton you failed

[@lachusity]

@Profit Glutton your sense of femininity is then wrong

[@lachusity]

@Profit Glutton it turned out.

[@c4tl4dy76]

It's maddening how divisive some of these issues can be when, if we all worked together, we could disrupt the systems that oppress ALL OF US. That's why so much misinformation and hate speech are still allowed online: it serves those in power to keep us "peasants" at each other's throats.

[@girlwriteswhat]

I'd like to address your suggestion that MRAs are misusing statistics by highlighting custody agreements, most of which are settled out of court. Feminists I've discussed this issue with commonly cite the 1989 Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Council report, which found that when men ask for custody, they get it, therefore there is no bias. This is such a bullshit report, it's not even funny, using a source that is completely unsuited to the task of determining family court bias. First off, it made no distinction between physical and legal custody. As an example, my ex had joint legal custody of my stepsons, but his ex had sole physical custody of them. He was an every-other-weekend dad (when she wasn't annoyed with him, that is). Second, it only looked at initial filings for divorce and the outcomes depending on whether or not the filings contained a request for custody. The majority of divorcing men (as reflected in the sample sizes) do not make the initial filing--they respond to the filing initiated by their wives. Every single response by the 70%+ of men in the dataset who were not making an initial filing, but were responding to one by their wives, may have contained a request for custody, but that would not have been captured by this report. Likewise, any of the 30% or less of men who did not include a custody request in their initial filing may have asked for custody at any point in the process, and that would not have been captured by this report, either. Thirdly, *even if we were to assume the dataset in the citation is accurate and complete,* it found that women who requested custody in their initial filing were 65% more likely to receive some degree of custody (sole or joint) than men who did. More than this, within this dataset, men who requested custody in their initial filing were 6-7 times more likely than their female counterparts to be *denied any custody at all.* Yet I still have feminists throwing this 30 year old report at me that uses data not fit for purpose, and which, even if the data WERE fit for purpose, says the opposite of what they claim it does. Meanwhile, here you are implying that 90%+ of cases are settled out of court, so men are getting what they want and if they wanted something different and asked for it, they'd get it. Why don't you tell that to all the innocent black defendants out there who take plea deals because their lawyers tell them it will go worse for them in court? "Hey, black guy. You pled guilty to raping that white woman. If you didn't want to be incarcerated for a crime you didn't commit, why'd you cop the plea? What, you believed your lawyer's song and dance about how the deck would be stacked against you at trial because of prejudice? Pfft. We ALL know the system is fair!"

[@ColonialDagger]

@@texanplayer7651 > When you can't argue the content. Also, look at her channel. She was interviewed in the film

[@ajeetalbert91]

The queen is here.

[@tejas2895]

@Decency Defied What was the comment can anybody tell.

[@patavinity1262]

You keep saying "women want these dangerous jobs" but they really don't. There's quite strong statistical evidence to the contrary.

[@MikuHatsune12]

Well do you think that men are genetically better equipped and thus more suitable for these types of risky and laborious jobs? If so then there you go

[@patavinity1262]

@@MikuHatsune12 Who is better-equipped and more suitable is a separate question entirely. What seems undeniable given the data we have is that men are more likely to accept doing risky and laborious jobs.

[@MikuHatsune12]

@@patavinity1262 why do they accept such jobs more, because they're naturally suited for such things, it'll feel more natural for more men than for more women also I was actually responding to "liberalism is a cult" but since there's no @ (even though I remember clicking it) it seems otherwise

[@s.tagerius2514]

What evidence is there?

[@Necolace]

I don't know about you, but I have met women who served in the military, police or security officers, working in prisons, firefighters/EMT, etc... When I was still a child, I was told women could not become things such as firefighters, so I never grew up thinking of it as even a possibility unlike young boys like my brother or cousin who are often encouraged to idolize such jobs. Shows like Bob the Builder or any action cartoons, action playsets/figures, and construction toys like Legos or K'nex were heavily marketed to boys, and many parents only gave or encouraged these for their boys while girls were expected to follow the Disney Princess/Barbie path encouraging and raising them to value more creative or mental jobs over physical jobs. Considering that, and yet we already see women working in these typically "men only" dangerous jobs. That is very likely a result of progress that can be a variety of reasons from simply lifting any restrictions for gender from those jobs (firefighters for example can be women now), to, encouraging newer generations of kids to choose what they want instead of parents pushing things on them (less gender-based parenting for example). Most of these women I met in more "manly" professions were those considered tomboys through childhood and teenhood. I was raised strictly on fashion dolls, so I grew to become an artist/designer. As a kid, the only "actiony" cartoon that female friends and I felt like we could watch was anime/cartoons like Pokemon and Digimon as they featured more relatable female characters and parents were fine with us watching it. But by then we were already in 4th or 5th grade where girls are already being pressured by adults, marketing, and other kids alike, to ditch toys and cartoons, and get into makeup and fashion and being popular. It's not something you can expect to have instantly overnight changed to 50/50 men and women in these professions, it takes time and multiple generations, or maybe even centuries, as there are always going to conservative families and conservative marketing, who will be strict with the gender traditions for as long as they want.

[@thelurkingpanda3605]

"men and women are biologically different, I dont know anyone that seriously disputes that" *uh oh*

[@TheJaguarthChannel]

If he thinks people can't dispute basic biology, just wait until he learns about flat earthers B)

[@thelurkingpanda3605]

@@TheJaguarthChannel not really relevant but ok

[@thelurkingpanda3605]

@@TheJaguarthChannel because people do dispute basic biology

[@rednarok]

scientists group things of small differences all the time, and one of them are the sexes. we are all female once in life and then turn into a unique mixture of sexes. sometimes its a penis with alot of female hormones and brain development, sometimes its a vagina with moustache and muscles. we are all mixed up and confused we think we are either black or white. there are only greys.

[@salsamancer]

@@rednarok I'm confused, are you trying to say that because congenial birth defects exist that negates the concept of binary sexes?

[@alexreid1173]

I still have my doubts about child custody agreements. My parents had joint custody of me, and my dad paid child support… except my mom made MORE money at the time than my dad. And she got to keep the house that was already paid off. And divorce was primarily my mom’s idea. I never understood how the court came to that conclusion since if anything, my dad had done more to raise me than my mom (who had a ridiculous job for my entire childhood, which is why she made more money. My dad worked from home.) They separated in 2016.

[@stalecigarettesandashes99]

Why didn't your father go to the courts to report the income difference and get a child support adjustment?

[@pugness]

Well if you were living with your mother it would make sense since that would be where a lot of the cost is. Plus your dad probably got other assets or alimony or they just came to that agreement together

[@thatcrockpot1530]

I am a bit confused: why didn't you bring up the circumcision of boys? That is a very valid argument MRAs have. Is it weird not to be okay with that? Because I'm not. Bodily autonomy should be a given for all.

[@jimmeearle]

ThatCrockpot Circumcision is a religious practice.

[@jimmeearle]

It isn’t a meant to be anti-men it is just for rules in certain religions like Christianity

[@DirtyPoul]

It is indeed a very valid arugment MRAs have. And guess what? It's something most feminists argue for as well, as their argument for bodily autonomy in the case of FGM and abortion also includes circumcision of male babies.

[@davidwells9982]

You're not alone. The anti-male genital mutilation movement is growing rapidly. All the anti-FGM activists have gotten a lot of attention, but the general public is pretty good at detecting double-standards, which has led many otherwise disinterested people to join the conversation and ask, "Why are we so concerned with FGM, but boys don't even get attention for the issue on their side?" Enough people asked, and now it's taken a stage (albeit a smaller stage) next the FGM. Hopefully more people will recognize the issue of ignoring the issues facing boys, because somehow paying any attention to boys while women also have struggles is neglecting women. Makes no sense to me.

[@DirtyPoul]

@@davidwells9982 First of all, I'm absolutely against circumcision of male babies. They should wait until they're adults and can decide for themselves. However, FGM and male circumcision are in no way equivalent. The more extreme versions of FGM is more equivalent to cutting away glans than just removing the foreskin. Lastly, the big argument against banning circumcision of male babies is religion. Jews have done this for millenia and banning it is a move against Judaism, whether intentional or not. There is no such equivalent for FGM. Painting it as if it's some kind of agenda to allow one but not the other is disingenuous. It's not just misleading, it's straight up false because there is no such agenda. It's simply a matter of what trumps what, bodily autonomy or religious freedom. As I noted earlier, I believe the former trumps the latter, but I can respect the other side of the argument.

[@andrewmayo9400]

Your argument RE; the draft ignores the fact that if you do not sign up for the draft, in most states you can't drive, it is a felony in all 50 states, which means you can't vote without the obligation to fight in a war if the government decides that you should, and that women are not required to sign up, meaning that it is discriminatory on it's face.

[@cale0176]

Whether or not we've used it recently or it it's a popular option, the point is that if the shit hits the fan the government has got a list of "willing" participants. It hasn't been used since the 70s? Cool. What about next year?

[@MikuHatsune12]

You can say that it is discriminatory yes, but why is it like this in the first place, if you recognize that men are generally better equipped at doing physical tasks then there's your answer. It has been like that throughout history (perhaps some exceptions but thats not the point), women haven't put men in these positions, men have assumed these positions for themselves and in many cases deemed that this is how it should be, women have taken the positions assumed for them until the last 100 years give or take. If you feel uncomftorable with this and you do not want part in this then I most certainly feel for you but the possibility of wars are a thing unfortunately and men have been deemed by men to be the ones to do this kind of job, men need to address men on these issues for women don't really have much say in this other than helping to advocate

[@w77eed]

So its a bad a system for men. So instead of attacking the system and trying to get it changed. MRAs want women to experience the same horrible system. That sums up the mens right movement pretty well..

[@humansvd3269]

@@w77eed Yes, because that's equal.

[@Aseutester]

@@w77eed So which it!? equal treatment or one sex is "entitled" to special treatment AND the vote?! Which makes one sex 1st Class and the other second class citizens!

[@Parpyduck]

I learned about the lack of men's shelters after the violence crescendo'd with my gf at the time woke me in bed with an aluminum baseball bat shattering my elbows like glass because she had a psychotic break believing I was keeping a harem of women _inside_ _the_ _walls_ that I would let out when she was absent (I've never strayed in my life). Her brother was a powerful sadist regional coke dealer that invariably collared me and brought me back to her (after administering a brutal beating himself) any time I tried to flee and hide at friends' houses. What I learned was the shelter escape and shielding I needed so badly doesn't exist.

[@augustuscaesar2270]

Damn buddy that sounds awful. Sorry you had to go through that. I know it’s gotta be tough, but you can’t let that influence your view of people, and specifically women, as a whole. Stay strong. You can come back from this.

[@Parpyduck]

@@augustuscaesar2270 Thanks buddy! I realize that within a random sample of people - guys and girls - a small percentage is going to have grievous mental issues. I was naive and really just hit the bad luck lottery with that one (or rather it hit me, ba-dum-tssh). Of all the other girls I've dated since they've all been lovely. It was really only the one and I'm certainly more alert to problem behaviors. No ill will, I hope she got her demons sorted out since. I only really wish there was an option at the time for a guy to find sanctuary is all (it was a small 'city' of 5,000 with one shelter exclusive to women) but that was unheard of.

[@asinglebraincell6584]

I don't know exactly how you feel but I'm extremely bothered by the fact that help wasn't instantly available. I hope your situation has improved. I had no access to support for the same reasons and had to help myself with youtube haha, We NEed to Talk with Kris Godinez literally was saving my life for the last few years

[@orinboyce7894]

Is her brother still alive?

[@Parpyduck]

@jyoti Kumar Thank you, yes I will sl did and I don't stew in resentment anymore. I'm much happier now, albeit maybe a little nervous at the start of a dating relationship. I get mildly freaked out about playfighting

[@LegionKilo]

My mother didn't pay her child support, ever. The State of Texas never went after her. My wife didn't pay child support for her three kids. State of Texas was quiet as a church mouse on that one too.

[@G5rry]

My father didn't pay his child support - ever. The term "dead-beat dad" is a thing for a reason.

[@LegionKilo]

@@G5rry I am not sure what your comment has to do with my own.

[@gsp4prez]

Sounds like Texas sucks in a ton of ways

[@THEFRISKIESTDINGO]

When he put on the fedora I can’t tell if it became a really subtle troll or if he’s the kind of guy to tell me “it’s not a fedora, it’s a trilby”

[@BrendanKLong]

He dresses up in a lot of videos and I don't think it means anything. See the Paradise Lost video where he wears red face paint and devil horns, or pretty much everything about the MLM video.

[@raining_trees]

Around 14:00 you mention that most shelters will help men suffering from domestic violence. Maybe that's a recent development but 15 years ago when my dad was fleeing a terribly violent relationship, he said he remembers going from place to place and being told, "Sorry, we have nothing for you. Good luck." Like I said, maybe this is a recent change. But a few years ago that wasn't the case. Many shelters are and have been discriminatory against men. I understand why certain locations would do so, but it was literally the vast majority. I do hope this has changed because it's a disgusting practice and I say that as a radical feminist.

[@ferrusmanus184]

You arent radical. Radical feminists hate all men and think we're all horrible. You... You are logical.

[@MrBobDobolina]

You're not wrong, this guy's full of B.S. he thinks this is going to get him laid.

[@ferrusmanus184]

@@MrBobDobolina me or the video producer

[@killcat1971]

They will "help" men by sending them to anger management courses.

[@mkzhero]

I think he's talking out of his ass actually, and i doubt there's much, if any development in that field. I remember listening to a guy 3 years ago who tried to find a shelter for men, or both sexes and failed. Then he ended up calling a female one, and had recorded audio of basically getting told there's nothing for him by multiple people, and some even SENDING HIM to anti misogyny and anger management workshops despite him being the victim, not at all violent and calling for help.

[@liammccollum2133]

I reckon men's rights activists should be allowed to complain about these issues, I feel like the problem is that there is a mindset that men's rights is the opposite of woman's rights. Just need to convince them they are both fighting for the same issues Equality.

[@scottthewaterwarrior]

A bet lot of people on both sides probably want to work together, issue is, there are a lot of others that absolutely hate "the other side" and it only takes one shithead to call in a bomb threat or pull the fire alarm and ruin it for everyone else. Feel like this is the case for just about any movement: it only takes a small number of bad actors to ruin a groups image, especially when there are folks lined up on the other side just waiting for an excuse to condemn something. It's part of why I have been trying to move away from labels myself, at least when dealing with individual people, better to talk to them and figure out where you agree/disagree on something. Someone may say they are against movement "X," but when you actually talk to them, they actually support many of the same ideas the movement is fighting for.

[@dissect123]

I went ahead and actually watched the Red Pill movie. This point is emphasized multiple times - female points are not challenged or disputed, they just want male points to be added to the list. Which is a fair opinion in my view.

[@Ismael-kc3ry]

Exactly. If you truly understand what modern feminism is about, you’d see it helps both men and women. I’ve tried explaining this numerous times.

[@5koot13]

@@Ismael-kc3ry too bad vocal minorities are ruining and disrespecting the movement

[@OnyxDavid11]

As a man, I have been harassed by my female co-workers. Fortunately, my female boss was receptive to my pleas and urged me to cover my ass in case my harassers try to accuse me of the same. No corrective action was taken. I have seen male family members and friends fall victim to intersex violence and did not seek help for fear of being called a coward or weak. Granted, men are least likely to be victimized by the opposite sex, it still occurs and the public is generally non-receptive to men who seek help.

[@tiffnickk]

“They(the men’s rights movement) released a documentary called The Red Pill”. Um no. The Red Pill was made by Cassie Jaye, a former feminist.

[@krixpop]

@Johnny Bravo did Tom Leykis made THAT Documentary ! Tiffany Huston is talking about ?!

[@krixpop]

@Johnny Bravo I will ! thanks !

[@water5000]

No. The Red Pill was made by The Matrix in 1999.

[@jeffaholics2289]

Johnny Bravo The film referenced in this video is the Cassie jaye piece.

[@The_Mighty_Fiction]

Actually, the red pill was made by Total Recall in 1990. Nobody ever remembers that scene. !D

[@tellthemborissentyou]

I think it is fair to expect women to burn their draft cards just like men.

[@rogermwilcox]

In the 1960s, women didn't have draft cards to burn. So they burned their bras instead. I'm kinda sorry I missed seeing it.

[@JamesLewis2]

@@rogermwilcox To my understanding, the feminist protests of the time involved tossing their bras in the trash, and that was conflated in the popular imagination with the burning of draft cards into "bra-burning"; the other way around, tossing draft cards in the trash, would have been less dramatic.

[@Nerobyrne]

I find it ironic that a nation that prides itself on freedom has it as a federal crime not to sign yourself over to military service. I get that it's likely never going to happen, but it's super ironic since the founding fathers originally wanted to escape this crap, and now their nation is one of the only ones still doing this.

[@Asbjoern]

@@Nerobyrne If you live in a nation are are cherish the principles why wouldn't you be prepared to fight for your country? I know that some wars are questionable, but that's not he issue here.

[@Nerobyrne]

@@Asbjoern I don't think you understand me. America is founded on the principle (or one of the principles) of individual freedom, especially from government control. I'm not saying "get rid of the draft", what I mean is "get rid of the punishment for not signing up". If it's important that a large number sign up, maybe give them a small bonus instead. But even if most people don't sign up in peace time, if USA is ever attacked, you will have no shortage of volunteers, I am certain of that.

[@wickidflash]

I can speak for myself, and say that 3 of the 9 women I’ve had serious relationships with have been physically violent with me. And I have never been a violent person. 1 in 3 women, in my experience use physical violence to try to intimidate their partners. But I’m not a survey. I’m just a guy. I’ve been a victim of unprovoked intimate partner violence, with 33% consistency in my lifetime. I’ll tell you, it’s more terrifying than you make it out to be. In that moment, you look at her eyes, the reality hits you that this person you love is potentially capable of stabbing you and not feeling a shred of remorse. And it hurts to the core of you. Please don’t minimize that.

[@aidanmoore9652]

same here man... been rapped too... just cuz its hard means i wanna have sex i guess

[@osirus18]

And when you try to leave she holds you hostage, literally hostage, your not allowed to leave so you have no choice but to sit peacefully in the chaos around you with no reaction only to get slapped up because of your peace mode and this all your fault " you make me do this " at which point, I looked into her eyes, and I saw the devil, then I listened to her voice, and I heard the devil. It was then I knew, the rest is history!

[@MrSpiritchild]

Let's not forget the emotional and mental abuse as well, just because a man doesn't have any physical scars, doesn't mean he's not being beat up.

[@rred8674]

@Doctor Octagon on top of everything I've read that you said, men go mgtow and are criticized for it. You guys get no breaks, at all. A man creates a video about red pill and he attempts to discredit it. I'm sure it's a slap in the face. My teenaged son wants a girlfriend so badly and I don't know what to say to him to prepare him for the reality of dating. That some girls literally force their boyfriends to kill themselves, men are abused and discarded and laughed at when they feel pain. Being human, for a man, is laughable, it seems. I find it difficult to point my son in a direction that will cause him least pain in the long run.

[@Wangash18]

@@rred8674 Just tell him the hard truth. Would you rather he finds out later on the hard way?

[@APD089191]

My cousin went to a divorce and when she and her ex husband went to court, they got 50/50 joint custody for the kids. I have a male friend whom went to a divorce also and mom got full custody and dad get to have the kids every other weekends. My friends was pissed and kept complaining about it and I felt very bad for him so I called my cousin’s ex and asked him to give my friend the lawyer he had so my friend could use him to appeal the case. They talked and realized they had the same judge on their cases. Cousin’s ex called me after they talked and told me that my friend didn’t have 50-50 joint custody like he did because he was caught up in gender roles his entire marriage. Turned out that my friend never did any domestic chores in the house, never dropped his kids to school, never helped for school homework, never been to a teacher-parent meeting. My friend believed going to work was all he had to do and his job always ended at the door. His wife worked full time outside of the home but also was the one keeping it going at home too. So the judge decide to keep the dynamic exactly as it was before the divorce. Mom will continue to take care of the 2 and 3 years old and dad was asked to pay 500$/ month for the 2 kids. After all this information came out, I really couldn’t understand why my friend was so pissed and I still don’t 4 years later.

[@JL_Lux]

This makes sooo much sense.

[@APD089191]

@Cassandra Tafoya And it’s mostly the mothers even the working ones. Men will let their wives work full time, so all the work in the homes, do all the childcare and then be shocked that 1- She asked for a divorce 2- get primary custody of the children. Like sir, you were a spectator in your home and decided that your only job was to bring money in. Why does it pose you off when a judge says that you should continue to do what you decided to do?

[@doclasse]

Love your work, but when you mention casualties in the Iraq war I assume that you are talking about US casualties and not the total casualties of the Iraq war. You should have clarified that.

[@calicosun53]

It should be obvious due to the other statistics listed and him talking about male drafts...

[@andrew_li]

Northern Dirt whoops, I meant to reply to the original comment

[@ashkitt7719]

Yeah but the Iraqis were brown and they wouldn't give us their oil and be our bitch so they don't count /s

[@fulcrum2951]

@Black Knight Fool i suggest getting off the internet for a while and play some offline games or something

[@PersianMapper]

"If it's about equality then why don't you call it Egalitarianism?" *Napoleon Bonaparte wants to know your location*

[@neine999]

>implying that i don't already know his location

[@PersianMapper]

@@neine999 Yo mate how's it been?

[@neine999]

@@PersianMapper honestly, after 200 years Saint Helena gets on your nerves quite a bit

[@neine999]

@@PrinceofBabylon meh. Elba sounds boring. I heard Waterloo is quite a nice place

[@Ikantspell4]

I'm for the renaming. Focusing on equality and not gender not only is more palatable to people but offers better outcomes for everyone.

[@jeremybalsley5765]

I'm a person who believes the word hero is thrown about too much but using the average definition truck drivers are kind of heroic. If they all disappeared for just a week you'd see just how heroic they are.

[@orangebot_4211]

A good friend and colleague of my aunt got into a serious argument with his wife. Wife called the police and they took him in. That instantly lost him his very prestigious school and music coordinator jobs. He jumped off the parking structure at Disneyland. He was loved by his colleagues and students, and will be deeply missed by them. Shit needs to change.

[@riven4121]

I think I know who you're talking about. Before he did it he left a goodbye note on facebook right?

[@alleycat616]

He got fired over an argument with his wife? Why do I doubt that. Hitting her during the argument/domestic abuse sounds more likely of a scenario for that…

[@riven4121]

@@alleycat616 Except that isn't what happened. His wife made up false allegations on Facebook, that she later admitted to. Once it ruined his life inevitably after he was placed on administrative leave and was in the process of losing his job, he killed himself at Disneyworld. His name was Chris Christensen. One of his daughters spoke out about it and said it was the mother that was the abusive spouse. Ah but of course you immediately blame the man without a second thought.

[@alleycat616]

@@riven4121 I see and that is very sad and I’m sorry that happened to him. And you didn’t give this information so that’s all I had to go on was very I complete info. Also domestic violence is a widespread problem so it’s not a stretch that it would make more sense of him being arrested md fired for that than just a verbal altercation.

[@riven4121]

@@alleycat616 A widespread problem that is often weaponised resulting in men that are both victims of DV and are not the abusive one sent to the gallows as what happened here because of feminist created doctrines such as the duluth model. The fact you immediately jumped to blaming him and making conclusions rather than asking for the complete story speaks volumes.

[@baaaconman]

"If Zaria wants to be a firefighter let her" Ok but how many zarias are there. Are these women being rejected because they are women or because they are no "Zaria"

[@Thehazardcat]

You'll need data to support that statement

[@rubenburger2621]

@@Thehazardcat not a statement but a question. The discussion is just riddled with vague arguments like 'well, girls are socialized like this' that there is no way to measure what is happening because of natural reasons or the sexism

[@bwilhelm4214]

usually jobs like soldiers and fire men have high physical requirements for men...so most women can not pass them without lowering them...which is what's been happening. How many men will be injured due to a physically weaker person not being able to carry a victim or fire hose or force open a door or what ever else the physical test determined.

[@denisl2760]

@@Thehazardcat You need data to show us what percentage of females out there can carry a 200 lb weight down a few flights of stairs... I'll wait. My guess? Way below 1%.

[@joedatius]

@@bwilhelm4214 the problem is most of these jobs outright dont allow women from even attempting to join, while an equally weak/out of shape man can make the attempt. the fact that NO women even exceptionally strong and reliable can even try to join these jobs its not about someone being too weak

[@Newksypoo]

A few criticisms of the video: 1) Relative differences are, many times, more important than magnitude differences. You shouldn't down play 40% just because the magnitude is small. The world is full of semi-rare events and stating the drivers of the events as relative effects are more informative. 2) On domestic violence, attempting to restate the stats to "events that caused injury" doesn't seem fair after you just said men don't seek treatment. The lack of male treated abuse doesn't mean the abuse was unsubstantial. Love the videos man!

[@nicholasparliament7197]

Relative differences mean a lot less when you are talking single digit percentages. The problem comes because they used relative risk without presenting absolute risk. They did this on purpose to obscure a more complete understanding.

[@LightAndShaddow5]

Do catcalls "cause injury"?

[@ajnode]

@Joshua As I said to someone, I cringe when I see him discount discrepancies in numbers. I studied advanced statistics at uni - and eyeballing numbers in stats and concluding: "THAT DIFFERENCE IS INSIGNIFICANT" is complete nonsense. He hasn't run the numbers through even a basic statistical analysis process... not to mention he downplays the ~10% difference in male to female college numbers... which represents tens of millions of people.

[@interstellarsurfer]

I have a friend whose mom shot his father in a heated arguement. Did this result in a hospitalization for domestic violence? *Nope: his mother is a nurse. It was a flesh wound, so she stitched him up afterward*

[@ajnode]

@@interstellarsurfer Anecdotal there, buddy... and a novel kind of anecdote at that.

[@TheGreatCooLite]

Literally any channel: exists Curiousity Stream: _It's free real estate_

[@alexandrub8786]

Cheap*.

[@ruddthree8105]

Squarespace, Skillshare, Brilliant: _It's free real estate_

[@deadasfak]

The "I'm gonna -ruin- fund this man's whole career" meme would fit better

[@ruddthree8105]

That's a nice twist on it.

[@TheGreatCooLite]

@@deadasfak yeah you're right

[@emerson-biggons7078]

I was both mentally and then sexually abused by two women in that order. I am definitely a rare case, but it's horrific how insignificant I seen, like just because I'm a small number nothing to be done... I hope that isn't true but that's all I seem to hear about it. Never got justice for it btw, since I both have no proof and I was a child-young teen at the time only realizing it years after. Actually I've been sexually assaulted multiple times, r*ped and mostly groped. Mostly women did it too which is shocking given the supposed statistical likelihood.

[@Tb0n3]

There are only statistics when something is reported. Women are just as likely to do bad things to others as men, but they're more likely to be ignored.

[@TheOnlyToblin]

It's not as uncommon as people think, but also not as common as alarmists claim. The huge problem is that society has absolutely no safety net for female on male abuse, and men (especially boys) don't get believed or it's laughed up as "you got lucky to be with an experience woman". That absolutely must change.

[@joshwhite5730]

That’s interesting, I never knew that women can sexually assault men or even women

[@Tb0n3]

@@joshwhite5730 How did you not know this?

[@TheOnlyToblin]

@@Tb0n3 It's never talked about. It's not surprising at all. Women are sort of held up in this myth where they can't do that etc.

[@billweasley1382]

Saying "because reasons" is just a cowardly way of implying that there aren't actually reasons. You know damn well that there are very practical reasons why there are not more women firemen and soldiers. Also, saying "women want to" become firemen and soldiers is just deceptive. There are a tiny minority of activists who say that they want that, but you are going to find extremely few women who are both qualified and have a desire to pursue those professions. Even if you removed every restriction, and made the qualification process extremely easy, women would still be only a small percentage of people taking those roles.

[@martinovallejo]

Bill Weasley good point, and while I think It's a point worth discussing, I also think it's adressed by the gender roles theory. Let's agree first that, as a whole, men are more likely to be physically apt for a strength-and-stamina-requiring job. Now, we're raised quite differently according to our sex and assigned gender, men are treated and expected to be more rough, while women are treated and expected to be more sensitive (in the general idea of raising children I mean, I'm not discussing anecdotal cases), so It's to be expected that women don't grow to want the kind of jobs that are against what they've been raised to think is 'their nature'. This also applies for males in female-dominated areas, but since kindergarten teaching (as an example) has no extreme physical requirements, there's nothing stopping men to give it a try (nothing but social norm). I believe it's quite a few generations of actual equality, to law as much as to society, till we can actually people really doing whatever they like. Also, I wonder how many men want to be firefighters as opposed to the whole male population, I doubt that's too high a percentage either. PS, sorry if i'm not getting my point across accurately, English is not my first language.

[@christineplum4445]

Martin, I think that you got your point across excellently!

[@BigDonkMongo]

@@martinovallejo Yes but there are actual biological, not "nuture" but "nature" reasons why women are physically smaller & weaker. No amount of nurture (god knows I've tried) raises your height or increases muscle mass significantly. Overall yes women and men have been put into somewhat harmful and oppressive roles but they exist as a result of our natural biological differences to some extent. To ignore those and say, lower physical requirements is really dangerous and shouldn't be done. Men and women are on the same team in life, but both are slightly better at different things.

[@cerotidinon]

In Germany, there is no such restriction. The percentage of female firefighters is at about 9%, the percentage in the army is at about 12%.

[@davidwells9982]

@@martinovallejo Gender role theory, like much of post-modernist philosophy, is severely flawed in addressing the reality of the issues it claims to explain. It assumes that our roles in society were arbitrarily assigned by men and men alone, or by including women who hate themselves (internalize misogyny, I believe it is called). Post-modern theorists claim that everything is a 'social construct,' and therefore is irrelevant and as easily changed as flipping a switch. They often neglect the impact of 2.1 billion years of co-evolution between men and women. The roles we adopted were slowly determined by Darwinian-esque social evolution. Factors of biology were the primary concern for our ancestors from the beginning of Hominidia to about the last 150 years or so. Birth rates were the most critical in determining our societal roles. Women are more important to the continuation of our species. The number of women is the limiting factor in our propagation. With a few rare exceptions, the average human female will bear 1 child per gestative period (fun fact: In mammals, the average brood size is equal to half the number of mammary glands the female has, humans incuded). At that rate, women need to have _at least_ 3 children to maintain population, given rates of death and other issues that remove individual sets of genes from the genetic pool, from which all humanty draws. The roles males took in human evolution tended to be more physically demanding. We didn't choose that, it just happened. As a result, the men took on the role of hunting and defending. Those males who were the best hunters attracted the most females because they were the best at providing and protecting those females. He reproduced with them, and his genetics were passed on. As those genes improved the features of that hunter's descendants, they physically changed; male's upper bodies grew larger overall, including stronger muscles in the chest, back, shoulders, and arms, denser bones tougher tendons and ligaments, etc. This meant each few generations, the males were bigger and stronger than ever before. The same happened with females: They grew broader hips to carry and deliver babies more easily. They are the only female primates with breasts that hang away from their bodies. They hold onto body fat more easily than males, and carry more body fat on their hips and thighs; this was to keep them alive in times with out food, specifically because those females whose genetics caused them to hold onto fat more readily survived easier than females who didn't. Additionally, their fat is carried on legs and thighs because visceral fat (the type men carry more readily, in and around the organs in the abdomen) causes disease more frequently. If women carried fat this way, there would be more compression of the womb, possibly making children smaller and less likely to survive, also increasing disease as humans began eating more grain during the Neolithic revolution. Their breasts hang away and vary dramatically in size compared to other primates because the *symmetry* of human breasts can indicate genetic disease, specifically a greater propensity for breast cancer, based on the size difference between the two breasts. Larger breasts tend to hang farther from the body, making it easier to advertise physical fitness. I could literally go on like this for days. The science of biological anthropology is extremely well-researched and long established. We are the way we are because evolution set us up that way. Does that mean we can't do things differently? Of course not. People are more free now than they ever have been due to the science and medicine that has enabled men and women to cross into different areas of society. I don't really care what people want to do, as long as it is based on meritocracy. Post-modernism ignores this science, whether because they don't accept science (which is an increasingly common belief; genetics and biology are especially under attack in Ivy league universities) or because the science totally crushes the philosophy introduced by post-modernism. It sees our social differences as being either established by racism and sexism, even though that wasn't really an issue when we all evolved in Africa; or, they seem to assume that human society exists in a bubble and they don't consider anything else as having influenced and guided our evolution, which gave way to a social structure based on merit and convenience, based on our physical traits. What I'm saying is: When there's a well-established scientific explanation for something, a philosophy that discounts or ignores the science is irrelevant. Science trumps philosophy every time. And those who claim, "Well, philosophy is the foundation of science," yes, yes it is. But when it only functions outside of science, or never actually performs the study and experimentation to take their philosophy into the realm of science, it remains only a philosophy. Please don't read this as an attack on you or anything. I've just been debating people about post-modernism quite a bit and have noticed that its pervasive nature needs to be pushed back against to stop it from corrupting science further.

[@zacharymohammadi]

Some extremist: are you a feminist or a MRA Knowing Better: yes

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Every sensible person is both.

[@Adam-cj2jg]

PlatinumAltaria a sensible person is neither ya styoobid

[@sapphireblanche7823]

Lol, he's making fun of MRAs muh dudebros. And no, if you think Feminism isn't still an important movement then you're either misled (probably by some tool on KZbin) or you're just plain dumb.

[@thiccchungo1041]

Feminism is just not as useful now, women have equal rights, can vote, and have the same job opportunities

[@awah4676]

I mean, he clearly states in the video that these positions basically agree on all their points, but MRAs are needlessly stand-offish and antifeminist. Women, and specifically feminist thinkers, have been pushing for the same solutions to gender inequality as MRAs years before being an MRA was even a thing.

[@bulletbill1104]

“There is nothing heroic about truck drivers” Not a truck driver but truck drivers are a many times more important in preserving our society than firefighters tbh. Society would start to collapse within a week without trucks. Also, the “2-10%” statistic isn’t necessarily wrong, but it’s also important to note that only a small portion of rape cases are proven guilty either. A vast majority there aren’t enough evidence to prove either way

[@craigbenz4835]

How true. Without firefighters some things would burn down and some people would die. Without truck drivers everything would collapse and many people would die.

[@brandaccountname9833]

BulletBill110 hes saying theres nothing perceived to be heroic not that there isnt anything heroic

[@smjaiteh]

It’s too bad truck drivers aren’t paid much more, given more reasonable hours and generally are exhausted to the point of literally endangering their lives. Truck drivers are just a few steps above literal slavery.

[@devinsdead921]

THANK YOU! I was so shocked by that rape statistic, I kept waiting for him to bring up that a gigantic majority of all rape cases are left hanging- unsolved. He never did. Ugh.

[@sleepysteev2735]

Like @Brand account name said, it's about portrayal and perception. In media, truck drivers are portrayed as dirty while firefighters are portrayed as heroic despite both professions being heroic in there own ways.

[@MeeCee5204]

Man: I think there's something wrong with my prostate. Doc: Just rub some dirt on it.

[@Simjorfeo]

I have to disagree with the notion that using fire fighters as a prime example for Male Disposability is solely because of its heroic nature; I believe it's much more because most people affiliate fire fighters with danger, even if the actual numbers don't show that.

[@superduperfreakyDj]

Some of the jobs most associated with danger are actually the safest exactly because of their association with danger.

[@joe42m13]

it's not the fire that's dangerous these days, it's the heart attack from years of smoke inhalation.

[@healingv1sion]

Ok but the filmmakers are still using the image of firefighters suffering for their own personal gain.

[@klip8726]

Giuseppe well truck drivers

[@sourgreendolly7685]

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that it’s both considered dangerous and heroic though. Again, truck driving is dangerous and I don’t know many people that don’t know that.

[@davidwells9982]

*Part 2 of 2* One last story one might find interesting: A man named Earl Silverman (Canadian in this case, but still an issue of the treatment of men regarding those who seek help and those who claim men aren't abused, they're the abusers, men have fragile egos, etc.). Earl was abused by his wife and sought a place he could escape from her after years of emotional and physical abuse. He attempted to find a shelter who would take him in (he lived in Calgary, Alberta) but after contacting dozens within his area, he was rejected by every single one with the same reason: We only serve women and children. He started seeking help from the government, but was told there were no shelters for men and that they wouldn't start OR fund one, despite there being over 30 government funded women's and children's shelters in Alberta. Feminist groups got word of his attempts to find a shelter and they showed up to protest his efforts in petitioning the government for aid. The called him an MRA (there's that slur again) and declared him a misogynist. When he stated his plight, he was told by every feminist group the same thing: If you want a shelter so bad, go start one yourself. So he did. He poured his life savings into starting a shelter. He was able to open it, but feminists showed up there to protest the shelter. He was able to bring in several men and boys, but his money only lasted a short time. He petitioned private and public charity groups for help in funding his shelter, but they all turned him down, afraid of losing donors by associating themselves with an MRA. The government did the same. Finally, Earl had lost everything and everyone and was made a pariah in the news. They falsely reported his efforts and issues, interviewing feminists for information about him. They interviewed him too, but only a couple of times and always after poisoning the well by labeling him a Men's Rights Activist (see how that term is used in society at large?). Earl killed himself after officially closing the shelter. He poured everything into this shelter and was resisted and fought and insulted every step of the way. To this day, only a few articles were written from any semblance of unbiased perspective. Every other report I could find had a distinctly anti-MRA spin, and feminists did a lot of PR to discredit his suicide and his reasons for it as he laid out. Just last year, a woman's shelter opened its doors to men and children fleeing abuse. It was so surprising that it made the news. I wish Earl had been alive to see that his efforts were not in vain. That's the power of Feminism and the term MRA. That's one of many stories that shine a light on the plight of men and the incorrect assumption that all the resources are there for men, they just have to reach out for it. I could go on and on for literal hours about the issues with KB's treatment of these issues. He seems to be speaking from a single perspective, and treating statistics as though they are a sole and accurate source of information. Feminists will be the first to tell you that statistics do not portray the reality of abuse and the inner workings of social pressures and attitudes we face that don't make it into the reports. If you made it this far, congratulations! I'm impressed. I hope this helps anyone seeking to understand why some people disliked this video. Also, sorry about any misspelling or grammatical errors.

[@ashleyneku5432]

KB isn't talking about this because it's not an issue within his country, and if your curious about why the MRA isn't mentioning it either despite being a pretty considerable stepping stone if they want to pretend to be victims, it's because they don't give a fuck about Canada, either. Go make your appeal to the Red Pill, they won't use this story, either.

[@somedude9541]

Great post man! The story is sad and I hope he is in a better place now and it is great that his effort was not in vain and he was able to help others the best he could.

[@LightAndShaddow5]

Marcus Nicholsen To me, you sound no different than someone who dismisses women’s issues and says feminists “pretend to be victims”, but “(those feminists) don’t give a fuck”.

[@adrianaadrian6759]

Thanks for sharing this, you taught me something I didn't know c:

[@cormoran2303]

@@ashleyneku5432 "and if your curious about why the MRA isn't mentioning it either" They mention it quite often. You've just not listened.

[@andrewparadowski8122]

The fedora is gold...great costume for the topic!

[@Ringowasprettygood]

Andrew Paradowski he’s doing a very funny reference to the MRA Davis Aurini, who’s somewhat famous for having a glass of scotch that he literally does not even take an actual sip of for 30 minute videos, and always where’s this Red Pill Uniform lol

[@fds7476]

*Trilby

[@jeffslote9671]

@Sashabizz4 It's pretty clear he's a woke sjw.

[@theonlysaneman4569]

It’s a trilby! NOT A FEDORA!

[@gideon903]

I do quite like Knowing Dapper.

[@charchar635]

i hate toxic masculinity so damn much a while back my dad was in severe pain in his stomach, we worked hard to convince him to go to the hospital he said he'd "go tomorrow" because "he was fine" we dragged him to the hospital and it turned out that he had a massive kidney stone and if he waited til the morning he'd have died from renal failure he sat on our sofa hours from death because he was trying to "man up and deal with the pain"

[@jacques.cousteau]

It's not toxic masculinity, just plain stupidity. My mother is the same

[@tiffanyjosephine3163]

@@jacques.cousteau although I kind of agree with your statement, the reason I grew up hiding my emotions is because I grew up hearing 'women are so emotional' and I do not want to fit in that mold as a girl. So yeah, it kind of still is toxic masculinity if it was prentending to be strong because otherwise is weak.

[@darkraft1020]

Perhaps he does not value himself enough for the attention, or to seek treatment. Perhaps instead of blaming the victim for his 'toxic behaviour', blame the mothers that raise them and the environment that molds them...

[@balsawoodbones]

@@darkraft1020 you have so vastly misunderstood this comment that I am impressed

[@darkraft1020]

@@balsawoodbones Using the term 'toxic masculinity' in this situation, when it is a result of a toxic society that raised the father.

[@n4ttyyy]

Male mental health is a genuine crisis. Men need to seek companionship in each other. And also stop devaluing male issues like depression and loneliness(inceldom). Incel doesnt mean misogynist.

[@LasPhoenix777]

🎯💯✊

[@theblackcatvieweraccount5402]

@Khashon Haselrig because when they try(and tried in the film) feminist show up to shout them down and disrupt their discussions by pulling fire alarms. They probably have real solutions, but can discuss them on any platform or in public without feminist showing up in a mob screaming "racist, Nazi, homophobe!" Through a loudspeaker to drowned out their ideas or issues.

[@theblackcatvieweraccount5402]

@Khashon Haselrig Ben Shapiro has ideas on prison reforms and gets similar treatment. It all depends on if you are a leftist or not. Feminist assume that the men's rights activist are Nazis instead of talking to them. AOC And Bernie don't get that treatment because feminist assume Democrats are for the people. I can see where your biases lie.

[@theblackcatvieweraccount5402]

@Khashon Haselrig wow, you must be new to the political arena. Do some research out side of Google, then get back to me.

[@Redbird-dh7mu]

Khashon Haselrig they actually have tried, the film even touches on this. When ever the MRAs try do something and get attention, so called, “feminists”, shout them down.

[@buttputt2334]

Me ex used to hit me all the time. Whenever I tell people they give me that look of "yeah right." or just brush it off entirely.

[@lindahlophe1572]

My experience is that women regardless of race feel justified to be violent against men. Men’s rights movement is necessary, it has to be genuine, not a regressive reaction to women’s rights.

[@tanukiZoot]

I see women hit, slap, or even kick men in on TV fairly often, not saying it's okay, but it says to me that it's somewhat normalized in our society. It always confused and made me uncomfortable. I would never do that to my partner or male friend.

[@recklesflam1ngo968]

@@tanukiZoot It's also normalised to sexually harrass men on TV as well, and whenever I point this out I just get told to shut the fuck up lmao.

[@deathmetal7624]

Same here

[@29-arnavsamant97]

@@tanukiZoot that's feminism for you. (By not talking out about this, they, by there own logic of 'if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem', are part of the problem)

[@jerichosamurai]

1 in 5 women vs 1in 71 men That statistic probably isn't anywhere near accurate. Very few men are actually willing to admit to being raped, especially if it's by another man. If you were counting rape in prison in the statistic it would be far higher.

[@CordovanSplotchVT]

And the 1 in 71 men statistic discounts the all the men "made to penetrate" because feminists decided that shouldn't be counted as rape.

[@charlotteice5704]

However, most women who were raped don't admit it either.

[@CordovanSplotchVT]

@@charlotteice5704 yeah, I've heard that stipulation before, but there's absolutely no way to tell if it's true. You could base it on comparing the amount of police reports with the numbers you get from anonymous surveys, but we already know that surveys like the CDC NISVS pumps up numbers by counting instances of things that aren't even alleged rape, as rape in case of female alleged victims, while counting cases of alleged rape of male victims as not rape. You're basically making a claim based on biased survey data.

[@Sparkanp]

@@TheJammerman there's also the fact that the 1 in 3, 1 in 4, 1 in 5 whatever "stat" was disproven and shown to be FAR lower. That number is a talking point for certain feminists. It's not one based in reality.

[@ashkitt7719]

I was sexually assaulted at least twice in my life, but I didn’t report it because I assumed it wasn’t worth it. So yeah, I imagine a lot of people of any gender don’t report this stuff.

[@swtorjunkie6171]

I personally watched the judge at my brother custody hearing with his ex wife straight up ignore all the evidence we had proving she was abusive. Videos, audio recordings, witnesses.. All she had was her word . The judge chose to believe her.. He completely lost custody. Welcome to the south.

[@Nimish204]

He can appeal in a higher court

[@GigsofRam]

This is why I wish MRAs would start shaming these judges. Yes, the women who ask judges for full custody when the dad was there for the kid, are assholes. But by and large, it's male judges ignoring the father and giving the mother custody of the children, regardless of the father's involvement. This is why I wish real MRA folks need to start shaming the sexists in their ranks. Cuz if you fix the judges, more men will have rights to their kids. And the only reason I think that's not happening is because most judges are men. And idk something something sexism

[@kennethkho7165]

@@Nimish204 Appeal courts don't look at facts, they only argue the law. If the trial judge ignores the facts you're screwed.

[@mancamiatipoola]

Justice system is about as corrupt as the society we live in so... i guess its time to take the law into our own hands again. How much of a SWTOR junkie are you though? Did you finish the questline with each class? Explore the galaxy, do 100% on each planet?

[@williamjenkins4913]

@@Nimish204 My brother had the same thing happen. he did appeal and the facts were ignored again. He couldnt afford to appeal again because he had a kid and a heroin addict ex to support.

[@williamredding8953]

It is good for the conversation to acknowledge the legitimate concerns of your interlocutor. Not enough people on either side if the political spectrum do this.

[@MatrixWolf27]

I wholeheartedly agree. I think this has come about because many people engage in these conversations with the intent of winning rather than seeking truth or understanding. If there is someone having the conversation in bad faith, rather than appreciating the concession of the other party, they just start parroting "see, he said I'm right". Then the conversation gets completely derailed.

[@josephacedo7698]

Generally speaking in divorce men are mostly treated as emotionally disposable and needed mostly for finance.

[@rootcanal7188]

Joseph, absolutely correct. But male feminists like KB choose to ignore that fact.

[@XavierbTM1221]

so? arent men suppoused to be the "bread winners?

[@eoincampbell1584]

The thing meninists ignore is that while their right that there are to many heavy expectations on men that lead to bias, those are directly connected to the biases towards women, not a separate "oppression". Yes men are treated as emotionally disposable and necessary for finance, but that is directly due to women being disallowed from earning almost any money for huge swaths of history and treated as emotionally hysterical. Men aren't expected to be emotional because that is seen as "womanly", showing how it is actually misogyny that leads to the double standards inflicted both on men and women. It's the same thing with jail sentences. Women get lighter sentences not because society is against men, but because women are believed not to be as able to handle difficulties like prison.

[@rootcanal7188]

@@XavierbTM1221 women can take care of themselves, just as they did before they got married

[@simpbeforeusleep]

@@XavierbTM1221 That used to be the case, and in many successful modern relationships that still is. Sadly that is becoming less common and in relationships in which the woman makes the most money and provides security divorce is a common theme. Many career women refuse to settle and then lament they can't find a "good guy" (which in woman speak isn't really just a "good guy") due to that very fact.

[@Werebat]

I was briefly jailed for “failure to pay” child support for a child who I had in my care 50% of the time he was not in school. I had proof that I had not failed to pay, including my ex-wife insisting that I had paid her and documentation from the bank that I had paid her. The local DCSE then fabricated an amount I supposedly “owed” them that was close to $1000, and when I tried to find out why I owed this money I was given the runaround until I finally cornered one of their gladhanders and he admitted that there was no proof of it other than its presence on their computer and he didn’t know why I owed them money. When I suggested that I was going to get a lawyer to challenge the debt if the DCSE couldn’t provide evidence that I actually owed the money, he told me that if I did that, the DCSE would RAISE THE AMOUNT THEY SAID I OWED THEM and that the judge would side with them. So - naked extortion. All of this happened because my ex had been illegally “double dipping” child support payments from me and welfare payments from the welfare system. SHE never did any time in jail - SHE never got fined. They handled her with kid gloves. In the end, my ex insisted in court that the DCSE be removed from facilitating my payments, because I always paid her on time and they took months to get her her money and appeared to be keeping some of it. The look on the DCSE lawyer’s face when that happened was priceless. From the ages of 10-18, our son lived exclusively with me, but still I was forced to pay “child support” to my ex. Long story made short, her home was not a safe place for him, and she would have insisted on taking him back if I stopped giving her money, and we both knew that the “family” court would fall all over itself granting her that, so there it was. I paid the effective protection money for my kid. Today, I have a good relationship with our son, who is 22. His mother barely sees him at all. The world doesn’t believe the truth about what happened - but HE knows. He knows. I think a large part of the injustice against men in the “family” courts isn’t really due to direct misandry, but rather greed on the part of the states. State DCSE offices receive a stipend from the federal government to the tune of a percentage of every dollar they collect in child support cases. Reagan started this after his war on “welfare queens” backfired on him. It was intended to curb the real problem of fathers failing to pay child support and mothers subsequently going on welfare (which is run by the federal government), which effectively meant the government having to pay for these guys who were shirking their responsibilities. But it created a perverse incentive for states to strongly favor granting custody to the lower earning parent (usually the mother), and to maximize the amount paid by the NCP (usually the father). For example, I was divorced in 2000, and at the time my state had no official court language for “joint physical placement”, so at our request they left the “custodial parent” portion of our divorce decree blank and accepted our plan for 50/50 joint physical placement. They then used gnome math to arrive at the conclusion that I would be given a whopping 10% discount on the standard child support award - when I had our son the exact same number of hours per week that his mother did! Why did this happen? Well, the more money someone has to pay someone else, the more money the state gets from the fed, so… Maybe some of this has changed in the last decade or two. Maybe. But when I was going through my stuff in the early 2000s, there was no shortage of prune-faced bitter women who look like they had been raised on lemon juice and had fallen victim to the unfairness of their era ensconced in positions of power in the “family” court system and its adjunct lobbies; so I forgive myself for being a bit of a prune-faced lemon sucker now. There are many other men out there with stories like mine - my next door neighbor is one of them - and even if things are better now than they were then, we’re not going away any time soon - just like those bitter old women ignoring the injustices inflicted on us in the early 2000s weren’t.

[@mrdelta432]

The Davis Aurini costume is spot on. The skull made me remember hbomberguy's reaction videos on the topic

[@artturihautanen]

i was literally watching one of those just now and this popped up.

[@CatHasOpinions734]

He even moved it between shots!

[@bannekerobedlam6805]

Who is that? Never heard of them. And I have been active in men's rights groups for quite a while...

[@pielover267]

@@bannekerobedlam6805 He's a pretty wild white supremacist and is super anti-feminism. Infamous in part for creating "The Sarkeesian Effect": A terrible "documentary" about Anita Sarkeesian and how he thinks feminists are trying to destroy gaming by talking about sexism

[@richthick]

I thought it was a oxhorn costume butthen I realize that there's too many red pills with the costume.

[@natyinthehouse]

He’s wearing an outfit that looks like he’s ready to say “m’lady” as he tips his hat.

[@lastfirst5863]

Do you think that might be the joke?

[@finnbuggy178]

Ah, I see you’ve discovered the joke

[@deepstariaenigmatica2601]

lol get a better one

[@oumardiop1]

@@lastfirst5863 i doubt it

[@deadrivers2267]

@oumar diop This guy dyed his hair blue and wore a choker for his feminism video, do you think he's serious

[@Sharky4152]

Regarding the false accusation rate, that number provided only accounts for cases proven to be false. This leaves a huge space of undetermined cases between decidedly truthful and false rulings.

[@eccentricthinker142]

Eh, I always liked the nuke analogy better. How comfortable are you with a 2-10% chance that your entire life gets ruined by a false allegation out of the blue?

[@theRaptor0726]

@@eccentricthinker142 I say around an 8?

[@JimGiant]

Yeah saying this IS the false accusation rate is just as biased as saying 90% of accusations are false since only 10% result in a conviction. All we can say with any certainty is that it's somewhere between 2 and 90%.

[@tomtinker8220]

@@JimGiant freedomtoons did a wonderful video on the subject saying there's a big grey area.

[@Nerobyrne]

the biggest problem is that the family court system incentivises false accusations which don't go to court. The judge will take these accusations into account and weigh it against the other party, but if you withdraw it after the proceedings are over, you face no penalties. I think the solution for this is men need to do it just as much. Then everyone does it and it becomes meaningless, not to mention it doesn't fit the standard stereotype of "bad man beats helpless woman", and might get more press coverage.

[@anguseverist4178]

The thing about the MRA movement is that they have some good points, they just have no idea how to actually have the conversation, or what conversation they are even having. They see the issues we men face today as some kind of evidence against there being a patriarchy, when those issues all stem from toxic masculine stereotypes. They are SO CLOSE to having an important conversation, that of how the modern feminist movements can fail to address the ways in which toxic masculinity harms men, and how feminists can sometimes accidentally enforce toxic masculine stereotypes, but instead they interpret those issues as a way to discredit feminism. PS: This is coming from the perspective of someone who used to think exactly like this, and I have only in the past year dug myself out of the anti-feminist rabbit hole and embraced feminism.

[@JM-io7sp]

I agree. The patriarchy also hurts men.

[@communismwithgiggles2515]

"The draft hasn't affected anyone born after 1956." Tell that to twitter when it was January of 2020.

[@Khajiidaro]

The draft is quite important and I would say with how much tensions are rising that abolishing it now would allow the poor Trumps to get out of serving their country because they don't think it invovles them. Women should be included in the draft for sure just sonif war breaks out the US could call all citezens to fight for the nation but I would say for the sake of holding the homefront, they should be near the end such as it we get 90% of men in the US put in the army then we start pulling women aswell to fill gaps untill we either surrender/beaten or win. I deffinently think women are important for recovering from a war and one man can impregnate several women thus while it makes sense to draft mainly men, women should also be drafted so the US could avoid losing its entire male population because you know biology says you need both men and women for basic survival.

[@a-drewg1716]

​@@Khajiidaro mate women are held to a lesser standard in the military, not because "mAh SeXiSm" but because countless military studies found that by trying to hold women to the same standards as men, a very very small amount of women can pass and those that do suffer far more physically then their men counter parts from becoming infertile, to rapid muscle decay, and bone decay. It quite literally kills their bodies. So guess what by filling your military by people held to lesser standards (doesn't matter male or female) you will have a weaker fighting force.

[@Dead_Goat]

Interesting. The draft affected me and I was born after that. I had to sign up for it and carry my draft card with me at all times. All guys do.

[@justanallosaurus6997]

@@a-drewg1716 So that means males should be forced? There's also several other selective services they could be drafted into to.

[@a-drewg1716]

@@justanallosaurus6997 men are forces..... thats what the draft is XD

[@Asdayasman]

"They released a documentary" - I was under the impression that documentary was actually made by a feminist, not MRAs.

[@alex-qd6of]

She got the funding for the movie from MRA's.

[@fiveleavesleft6521]

@@alex-qd6of She got a mixed bag of supporters (mostly free speech advocates) when the feminist backers of her previous documentaries got wind that she was giving MRA's a fair hearing and did everything in their power to shut it down.

[@fiveleavesleft6521]

@Miguel Cisneros Yep I know, her original backers were feminists though. They quickly disowned and doxxed her once they realised she was an intelligent, fair woman who could actually think for herself though...

[@Babybat99]

It was made by a feminist

[@Babybat99]

@Miguel Cisneros buddy I was saying she was a feminist when she made the documentary 😒😒

[@Thatonedude917]

Let women become firefighters if they can pass the same fitness exams that men have to, don't reduce the requirements so women can pass The job doesn't get easier just because women want in

[@disagio9517]

Bro I know a couple of women that could easily beat u at push-ups so cut it with the casual sexism

[@disagio9517]

They're 19 years old

[@Thatonedude917]

@@disagio9517 Well that destroys my claim that no woman can beat me at push-ups, good job

[@disagio9517]

@@Thatonedude917 well they are fitter and stronger than most men so yea, probs u too tbh

[@Thatonedude917]

​@@disagio9517 It's almost like you think that I said that no woman can be more fit or stronger than any man, but that can't be since I didn't say that So what the fuck are we talking about right now

[@lagg1e]

If 90% of child custody agreements are settled without family court, I still wonder how many men are not even trying because the chance for success in court is perceived as low.

[@hampusnyhlen2961]

It IS extremely low. Knowing better framed a 40.8% sole maternal custody as low, but i was shocked how high that was. 45% is shared to some degree, so that leaves 14.2% with sole paternal costody. And i would be willing to bet that Most of "shared custody" is still primarily women. Most crime in the US is settled out of court, due to the high legal fees. instead lawyers make educated guesses based on previous outcomes, and settle based on that.

[@Turshin]

​@@hampusnyhlen2961that part

[@Arekinable]

"Why did not the MRA's not stop her right there..." Did you watch the whole video? The part where Chanty Binx (aka Big Red) literally talks over the men trying to interject by saying "I'm talking fuckface" and singing "cry me a river". Not an MRA, Just think Big Red is a terrible person to use to suggest opening a dialog with. Anyone with extreme opinions on either side of an issue (not just MRA vs Feminism) would be a poor choice for compromise and unity. They have become more interested in spreading their ideology than actually resolving the issues that created it.

[@Zeldafandaen]

Seriously. More people need to upvote this comment.

[@jack_mackay]

“This is part of the patriarchy” so basically she’s blaming men for having to pay child support

[@doccrowley3367]

they were trying to argue with her, not suggest working together

[@DuelJ007]

I've not seen the full video, but i can imagine her being defensive after all the negative media attention she's gotten. I honestly don't know much about her, but it just seems fair to take that into account.

[@Babybat99]

As someone who has gotten deep into men's rights i feel like this just sends out the wrong message honestly. Men really do struggle with true issues and we can't dismiss those because some MRAs are dumb and because women struggle too. But I can understand it's important to point out small inconsistencies in arguments. But yeah idk what im saying. Some issues deserve morr attention than others like the prison thing and rape and domestic violence and such.

[@beatlesfoxman9617]

The problem is that many MRAs are very anti-feminist while in reality they are essentially fighting for the same cause and this should be acknowledged on some level

[@Babybat99]

@Khashon Haselrig wrong

[@Brasshound480]

@Khashon Haselrig Wonder why? Perhaps because they would be attacked from all sides from everyone including white knights for standing up for their rights.

[@Brasshound480]

@Khashon Haselrig No, but clearly you read it in a way to benefit your lunacy. Men don't fight for rights because we are always the last ones to get them. Feminists would attack in droves if we asked for equality in areas like family court, criminal court, or alimony/child support systems. The radical left isn't doing anyone any favors, so don't try to push that out. Men will take back our rights one day, and it will be when women and others protest their way into the looney bin.

[@Brasshound480]

@Khashon Haselrig I don't want socialism, I want patriotism and freedom. We don't want hand outs at the costs of our freedoms, we will keep our rights and our guns and do it ourselves like our founding fathers. Nobody wants to silence women, that is just a line created to claim victimhood.. Plus we all know they will never be quiet. So go do your thing but don't be shocked when men no longer want anything to do with you, and develop an artificial way to have a child without a woman..

[@surfingdrunk6888]

There is a difference between men not wanting women in their trade and women not being able to meet the physical requirements to get in to the trade, or lowering the physical requirements

[@Oscar_Armstrong]

@@johnalessi1835 id argue a men's right activist is more likely to be an incel.

[@Oscar_Armstrong]

@Dokkasan it says a lot about your intellegnece when a 30 minute video that debunks myths and provides facts and statistics is disregarded by you and you resort to name calling and shitty insults.

[@ebonbehelit9763]

@@johnalessi1835 This rant of yours could practically have come straight out of Stefan Molyneux's mouth. Might wanna lay off the koolaid for a bit, mate.

[@johnshoka5761]

john alessi I very much disagree with what you are saying. The whole thing about feminism is about choice. If woman wants to stay at home and take care of the kids, she can. But she can also get a career if she wants to. The modern family is different than it was thirty years ago, that’s a fact, but I wouldn’t argue that it’s worse. If women were happier just being a housewife then they would stay that way. Women don’t want to be under men anymore and all they want is to be treated as equals. Feminism isn’t the problem with society. Feminism is about women having the same choices as men, that shouldn’t be a problem for most people. Although it seems you have a problem with it though.

[@skycastrum5803]

You know, this guy actually has a number of pretty good videos countering the historical revisionism brought about by the crazier parts of the left. And while he is going against a lot of MRA stuff here, he’s not actively cheering for feminists. There are points that do seem a bit uncharitably interpreted, but for the most part he seems to just have accuracy as his goal.

[@PsychicsRfake456]

you answered your own question, the reason why MRA's didn't listen to Big Red is her delivery. you can't tell people to shut up, call them names, not listen to what they have to say, yell at them and then wonder why they won't get behind your movement

[@arcguardian]

Imagine that.

[@eggman5586]

The prison system: Man? - _OOF_ Black Man?: _Double OOF_

[@TheColombianSpartan]

Blacc man? *omega oof*

[@alexc2265]

Intersectionality!

[@crypticcorgi8280]

This does not take away from the fact that men as a whole get it worst off. So I did not get why he tried to deflect and say "it is more a racial issue than a gender issue." Like only certain groups can hold the claim to certain issues when it is valid for both groups. Just means we need to work harder for our black contemporaries.

[@lunapyrope9683]

Because we (as society) think women are too weak to handle it. But a black woman will usually get more time than a white man. Nobody can paint these as black and white on either "side".

[@solomonthell7589]

@@crypticcorgi8280 amen

[@reddemondrag]

MRA's didn't make the red pill movie. It was a feminist that stopped being a feminist during the filming of it.

[@beatlesfoxman9617]

Allegedly a feminist that stopped being a feminist. The core point of this video and others like it is to point out that MRA and feminism are in no way contradictory and that they are essentially fighting for the same thing and should therefore unite. If this woman was really a feminist that stopped being one because of MRA she obviously didn't understand the core matter of either movement beforehand.

[@viktorgabriel2554]

@@beatlesfoxman9617 she was a feminist funded by feminists had the funding pulled half way thru since she could not make the MRAs look like villains dont you go saying who is or is not a feminist. if feminists where fighting the same fight then they would be asking for HUMAN rights not WOMENS rights and they would also go for the family court system asap since that is a massively biased system supported by Feminism

[@disagio9517]

@Thomas Grey yes so the patriarchy only benefits men. Feminist want to smash the patriarchy so everyone can be happy. That's it. The term feminism was coined some hundred years ago so it's outdated, but it's definition and goals are now broader and more intersectional . So in short yea, feminism benefits men too

[@disagio9517]

@Thomas Grey that's not feminism the way that I and many other people intend it. Those examples are like, idk, men being actively against women being denied reproductive autonomy. There's a few of them and sadly they are a vocal minority. That's no what feminism is like and that is not what I, as a feminist, want. I am well aware that men also face problems, and that, while they are overall more privileged than women, just because someone else is in a full body cast, doesn't mean that your broken arm doesn't hurt. There has actually been a lot of talking, recently, about men in light of the mental health issues that lead them to become disillusioned, redpilled, and part of the manosphere. I want both men and women, of all ethnicities, colours, sexualities and identities, and everything in between to feel safe and respected. Sadly, because men are socialised to bottle up their feelings, deciding to not become redpilled may take a bit of work to do for men, but it's all worth it in the end.

[@disagio9517]

@Thomas Grey the patriarchy is the reason why men are socialised to bottle feelings up and man up, and toughen up. It is not feminist values. These are toxic masculine qualities reinforced by the patriarchy, which teaches men that the more masculine, the better. The patriarchy is why men are hurting

[@RaySquirrel]

Why the watch ad used firefighters instead of truck drivers as the example for workplace fatalities, probably has less to do with societal expectations for men and more to do with a lack dramatic stock footage.

[@JIYkp]

Also they would have to explain how so many truck drivers died, which in the case of firefighters is inherently obvious.

[@seraphina985]

​@@JIYkp To be fair I guess that maybe guilt tripping the audience by pointing out that the customers insistence that the supermarkets always have food no matter how dangerous the road conditions in the snowstorm are is a major cause of the pressure on drivers to take risks probably wouldn't help either.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

isn't "dramatic stock footage" also a "societal expectation" though?

[@namenloss730]

Also because the cause of death for a firefighter on the job is less likely to be "reckless driving", "watching porn on his phone", "drunk driving", or other heroic descriptor.

[@namenloss730]

@@seraphina985 (did you delete your answer or is there a glitch?) thankfully good truck drivers are far less likely to die than the reckless ones. And I agree we should commend all people who save lives (especially since a truck driver saving a life is less likely to be saving people because his ass is on the line like a pilot on an airplane)

[@PuzzlingGoal]

So my main takeaway from this video is, the Manosphere did have legitimate grievances that they claimed they wanted society to improve on, society DID improve on them, and then the Manosphere was like "no no no that was not the point, the point was to blame women! How will we do that now"