Do Women Really Have it Harder? Male Feminists vs Antifeminists | Middle Ground

[@deannaclayton883]

I died when Tucker said "If I hear one more person use religion as a reason to not give rights to people, I think I'm going to explode"

[@Johan-di6md]

I can relate to his frustration sooo much.

[@cjbranchett9733]

I can honestly relate to that quote a lot to be honest. Not everyone has faith or is religious

[@the_alexicon]

How do people use religion as a reason not to give rights? Ive encountered more to the contrary tbh

[@leareed3749]

@@the_alexicon Iran, Israel, Palestine, The United States, as well as the Western world which was built on the principles of the Catholic Church and Abrahamic religions.... using it to pass laws, etc.... there is SO much evidence of this.. you just gotta look a little harder lol.

[@dayanaarias1035]

Crazy convenient how they always forget that little part in the constitution

[@novasmit1701]

The thing I loved the most was that whenever Kevin spoke, everyone in the room was in complete silence

[@monalisakindamelisa.4559]

ikr

[@teaforanxiety]

Kevin has found it

[@artsparts]

I love him he has an insane aura

[@Anna-sl6tp]

he dosen't stutter, has correct and clear points, and just massive aura 💪🏾

[@feavymarcelino9223]

KEVIN FOR PRESIDENT

[@kingofpenguins4157]

The fact that no one stepped forward for the “women are exaggerating period pains” made me feel slightly better

[@stephaniejohnson5361]

why would they. most of the anti feminist there wanted equality. Not demonizing woman.

[@Changed.User100]

@@stephaniejohnson5361 some women love to believe that just a small bruise to their egos mean that it is misogynistic although, I would have liked a "men exaggerated getting kicked in the balls" for the female fem vs female anti fem ngl

[@noneya1238]

​@@Changed.User100Kinda how men feel like equality for both sexes is oppressive to men.

[@noneya1238]

​@@stephaniejohnson5361They didn't even want women to run for president and said horrible things.

[@dearpercocet.]

@@stephaniejohnson5361the definition of feminisim is literally fighting for equality for everyone

[@CelestialKitten111]

Props to the female moderator who was brave enough to sit through all of this.

[@HaveHappiness]

Yah - I giggled when it was getting hot and she called reset and 4 anti fems had rageface

[@unseeliesidhegoddess]

Like everything else in life, a woman has to sit there with a smile on her face while a group of men talk about her worth like she's not even there.

[@JohnDoe-ne1ni]

This is the most cringe conversation ever. It only works in a nation built by white men. The non-white men have never had these ideals or ideas

[@fluffylilmarshmallow4525]

​@@unseeliesidhegoddessTHIS!!!

[@AlyssaNunez-kh6wc]

And it’s crazy how guys will say “use protection” but always try to convince woman to let them not use it.

[@christiandoupe9495]

The problem is everyone is generalizing like the one guy said not everyone does the things any of them are saying i have personally not once begged to take the condom off in fact i have been mocked for using them by a few women. Everyone is different.

[@Noobatron-cu2bm]

Correct especially when it comes to pressure from them. And how “protection” isn’t always a guarantee.

[@aakashv19]

@@AlyssaNunez-kh6wc you have experienced that with a lot of men i guess💀

[@AlyssaNunez-kh6wc]

@@aakashv19 mad that you can’t?

[@justaponyyy]

why arent men using protection? besides the obvious condom, there are also birth control pills for men. men, use them.

[@nicpinkygirl]

Watching this as a woman is wild.

[@turquoisestranger7566]

I’m refusing to watch because it’ll only trigger me honestly. The comments are already mentioning the guy who claims women only want abortions because of unprotected sex. As someone whose been sexually assaulted by a past partner it would just be triggering.

[@limediamond4595]

@@turquoisestranger7566 I’m so sorry that happened to you, I hope you’re doing ok now 🫂

[@dismissedrealist6059]

​@@turquoisestranger7566Women will literally fabricate whole stories of one of the worse traumatic events that an individual can suffer just too feel empowered, and gain sympathy from others. I also hate to break it to you, but most abortions are absolutely because women want zero responsibility or the reprecussions that hookup culture and promiscuous behavior brings.

[@devin5297]

Respect 🙏 this was a hard watch

[@kzvnq]

@@turquoisestranger7566 i think he meant some woman who do have abortions for that reason no offense.

[@ohyechlo]

‘women are too emotional’ ‘men should be able to express their emotions’ in the same conversation is INSANE edit, because y'all still have so much to say a year later: i think those statements contradict each other because you're limiting women for expressing emotions yet encouraging/praising men for doing so which is just double standards. it's also faulting women for being "too emotional" as if it's our responsibility that men can't learn how to express themselves. to everyone who's saying the statements can coexist; women being "too emotional" can exist at the same time as men being emotional (at all) and you don't have to put women down for that.

[@jacobydove8213]

Too be fair, neither of those statements are in direct conflict with one another. So why is it insane?

[@AndyPotts0]

There’s a difference between making rash decisions based on emotion and being able to express your emotion…

[@1000OtherFoxes]

why is it insane, it's called balance.

[@cyb3rsvng]

@jacoby dove its hypocritical. the stereotype that women are too emotional is often portrayed in a negative light and seen as over dramatic, why are they criticizing women for being 'too emotional' and then going on to say that 'men should be able to express their emotions' when they roll their eyes at women expressing their emotions? it just doesn't add up

[@may51973]

The emotional stereotype makes me laugh. Some men think if a woman is angry for instance, she is being hysterical, and if a men is angry.. well is being a men

[@amberbrogan]

Tucker I am with you. Religion has NO place in deciding what rights women deserve.

[@dougmasters4561]

That isnt true at all. Every political choice is attached to a moral worldview and anyone who just blanket asserts that this category of moral worldview should be hands off the discussion is ignorant and naive.

[@61subsandnovideos]

@@dougmasters4561Yeah but for a religion to brush off human emotion is not at all valid and should have no say in politics. the whole point of religion is to make others have empathy and a desire to live, why crush someones spirit just because theyre born differently? that defeats the purpose of religion, and if a religion were to make such a belief into a political point it should fall in deaf ears

[@shlokwaghela9560]

​@@dougmasters4561And that "ignorant" is you. You don't get to decide someone else's life, and no matter how much you try, you won't

[@proxymoxie7882]

@@dougmasters4561 YOUR religion has no place in MY life or decisions. Which means religion has no place, unless the person making the decision chooses to give it weight, period.

[@xProdigyxGames]

​@@dougmasters4561they don't want to get into meta ethics. They can't justify anything

[@soundsbeefypops]

Imagine arguing that women shouldn’t be presidents because they are “emotional beings” while also saying that men should be allowed to show their emotions more without judgement from society.

[@Handymancinema]

so both problems are solved then....

[@shemgilbert1991]

you say that based on absolutely nothing though. You just made a completely generalized statement based on nothing and applied it to half the population

[@izzylandyt]

Female Presidents aren’t a new thing.

[@alexthecreator8380]

maybe he means no one should be president 🤣

[@duffydope]

I mean if you are overemotional and someone is emotionless if the emotionless showed more emotion and was still more reasonable you wouldnt choose the woman in this case.

[@mitchboland9591]

Now I really want to see male feminists and female anti-feminists

[@mrnorbotron3308]

*FAP

[@NadaCero]

Vice just did that

[@thehoneyeffect]

That sounds horrific

[@rileymatthews9161]

I'd want to be in that lol

[@SL-vw7ix]

So r/niceguys vs pick me’s?

[@meereeanalee]

Donovan got rejected in middle school and never got over it.

[@AshleyMaxwells-mv6vy]

STOPPPP 💀

[@tiaraguruge-p4j]

LMAOO

[@milamoo474]

You are correct, I fear

[@Wildkoala1]

😭🤣😂😭🤣

[@lela6021]

tbh i don't think donovan is turned on by women

[@LakesideTrey]

9:21 Abortion isn't exactly a fun procedure. Acting like woman are having tons of unprotected sex just cuz they can just have abortions after is a fallacious argument.

[@abi3673]

96% of abortions are *not* due to rape, incest, or life of the mother. So yes, women are having tons of unprotected sex and treating abortion like it’s birth control. I think there needs to be much easier access to birth control for women, less shame surrounding sex, and other forms of male birth control (for example a male pill or more options than condoms for men)because of this fact. Men are half the equation and should have more responsibility in having safe sex.

[@goldenaxe7564]

@@abi3673How many abortions are due to a failure in contraception ? You’re too eager to judge. Abortion is a traumatic experience. People who play around with it are just as rare as people who get r*ped.

[@aliasella488]

@@abi3673 Yeah

[@simpyourson]

​@@abi3673 96% of what number?

[@winiary7x]

@@abi3673source?

[@austino.674]

Having a female moderator was a solid move.

[@BernieSanders-bn5dk]

@@tristanne9262 Lol It made sense if you feel some type of way it proves your bias against debate

[@musashi.miyamoyo]

Gender matters.

[@BernieSanders-bn5dk]

@@tristanne9262 🤔 I wonder what you think you did, I wasn’t mad simply stating their obvious signs of a bias.

[@virgodem]

@@tristanne9262If you think she was neutral, just say it. Stop being such a prick about it.

[@calvarez94]

the question they asked was do innocent men suffer from feminism and the moderator had to say its not about feeling when it actually is plus this is an edit of a 4 hour convo i would like to see the unedited version

[@perhapsafilmorso]

kevin came, spoke respectfully, didn’t speak over others and listened. i am kevins biggest fan. what a sweet person

[@amberlita]

Yeah he nailed it. I was consistently impressed with his responses.

[@prazynagc7645]

i agreed with everything he said. he was quiet throughout but when he spoke, everyone went quiet

[@luceandmusic]

FACTSSSS

[@samhayet4286]

His girlfriend is a very lucky lady! I'm so in love!

[@BobbyM7847]

@@samhayet4286 it's funny Kevin and his group had girlfriends and the anti feminist were single males

[@ambercherise2391]

Kevin reminds me of my dad: he doesn’t have to dominate conversation, he listens intently, but when he DOES speak, he spits facts. How respectful. EDIT: Thanks for the likes!

[@aaronaguayo4766]

he did not speak facts 😂

[@pc_hmk2204]

​@@aaronaguayo4766 maybe he did not speak facts that you wanted to listen. 😂😂😂

[@cam_br0wn426]

@@pc_hmk2204 he didn’t speak facts. he couldn’t define anything he spoke on, he literally is like a figurehead that’s speaks on what he’s seen other radical feminist say.

[@astelineart2260]

@@cam_br0wn426 Crazy concept that you surround yourself with people you agree with

[@KmiiVC]

your dad is a great guy

[@Mooniewoonie-ru6su]

“Then don’t have s3x without protection.” Ever heard of SA?

[@Twlacy-p4d]

If you think for a minute about the reasons why women have abortions, SA should come up within 30 seconds of that thought process. Just how sheltered are these boys?

[@あきら-g9m]

Exactly what I thought.

[@eteggroll8913]

they dont consider it. they dont consider how it affects the woman. all they know, is its something they cant control over a woman. Weak fragile little boys like this love the idea of control and how much they have of it.

[@cassija5887]

and ever heard that protection can fail? In one in a hundred cases, contraception fails, which is actually anything but rare. it's absolutely insane how people ALWAYS assume that every woman who got pregnant unintentionally didn't use contraception at all

[@thunderzboltz6796]

Ever heard of the fact that guns reduce that chance from 32% to 3%?

[@lunrecllipse]

"When girls are crying or upset, they call them princesses and give them the world" BRUH we're called dramatic and hysterical like gtfo.

[@danielvitorino5186]

Your parents are not very nice

[@jamesmortimer6007]

The key word is girls, as in female children. You're expected to grow out of crying about not getting the birthday present you wanted *before* adulthood.

[@Nurse.Addison]

LMFAO LOLOLOL for real

[@itssovia8817]

​@@danielvitorino5186 i think what they meant with "girls" is adult women in general not "daughters"

[@skelaiton]

@@richardcastro8108what world are you living in? I got told I was going to get whopped every-time I was about to cry.

[@robinfox4440]

I hate discussions like this because of the self-righteousness and anger that overrides people's ability to listen. This is the perfect example of "most people don't listen to understand; they listen to reply."

[@ysgslime8251]

Very true

[@NA-ud6qm]

I agree 100%. But it did feel like both sides were listening too each other.

[@nothanks1239]

Agree. I usually click on these videos and just read the comments. It's too frustrating to listen to people not listening.

[@user-pi2wr8pz1t]

I was just thinking that

[@alexgarcia1801]

beautifully said.

[@yesmaybe5868]

Where did they even find Donovan, I feel like he’s never even seen a woman in his entire life

[@jazmineszlari414]

He is literally a one of a kind mudpile

[@oifelix2371]

I don’t think his mom even showed up to his birth

[@jazmineszlari414]

@@oifelix2371 she was already starting to pass away when his fetus was developing

[@corpshu]

he had one W in "I haven't always understood consent but then after he opened his mouth to explain his thoughts, he failed himself again.

[@IEatWhiteTwinks]

@@oifelix2371 yeah mfs like these aren't born they just spawn out of pure hatred

[@haileywailey.mp3]

11:05 they don’t understand what mansplaining is. it’s not men just explaining things, it’s men feeling the need to explain something to a woman who did not ask for or did not need an explanation because they don’t see women as smart enough to understand without their help

[@TheSm1thers]

Imagine making a whole sexist term for men who want to explain things to you 😂 this is why everyone sees feminism as a joke nowadays

[@switzerlandful]

Isn't mansplaining also assuming someone'se sex? How do you know that person you're accusing of "mansplaining" is actually male?

[@sofiarayushkins6557]

Fun fact: Pregnancy/after birth, most women suffer from depression and self-hate. Motherhood is scary, and even life threatening.

[@jazmineszlari414]

Also the skeletal structure of the hip changes too and its irreversible no matter what exercises they try out

[@f15hed]

theres also a possibility for psychosis which many men for some reason say isnt real which has lead to some cases of women hurting themselves or others due to being denied any help and being told theyre faking it just because theyre women and women = dramatic attention seekers! love the medical field for being pretty heavily misogynistic!

[@kekejo1527]

I would also like to add that some people don’t take into consideration the person carrying the child, what they might be going through, how hard it is, the pain their in, especially if their very young. We just blame them for not being “safe” when we don’t know the full story, even if they were, condoms and birth control don’t always prohibit pregnancy, or stds for that matter.

[@Mr.WalterH.WhiteSr.]

And if you wanna get a little crazy you can suffer from post partum psychosis🤪 no but seriously it’s so sad because a lot of the time actual can be too expensive

[@mikkmaltis3269]

@@jazmineszlari414 yeah, but it is not exactly bad or?

[@thijmengilsing5781]

I feel like Donovan has never actually talked to a woman in his life.

[@malcolmlittle6870]

which one is donovan i forgot🤔

[@thijmengilsing5781]

@@malcolmlittle6870 the antifeminist with the glasses

[@malcolmlittle6870]

@@thijmengilsing5781 ohhhhh ok thanks

[@tonyonaperky2128]

So if someone has an opposing point that means that they never spoken to a woman? Did it ever occur to you that maybe he's had bad experience with women who spew nothing but nonsense causing him to beleive what he believes? Or do you just beleive that any woman who claims to be a feminists and opens her mouth is correct?

[@tonyonaperky2128]

​@@thijmengilsing5781Has it ever occurred that maybe he was surrounded by women who just spewed nonsense? That is a big possibility

[@user-qz6rk8hz9o]

I love how every time Donovan opens his mouth, you can see everyone else visibly trying to process the runaway train of thought that leaves it

[@shantaljones6588]

Best comment I’ve seen so farr😂

[@dearartheialith9383]

Quinten side-eyeing him sooo hard LOL

[@amiraliyan]

I gave the 1000th like 😂 999 👍➡️1k👍

[@lilymarch4756]

SOMEHOW hes married too?? Totally did not expect any woman to agree with his messed up views

[@keanutrias3077]

“Are you aware of…all of history?” Broooooo that sent me 😂😂😂

[@basharmubarak116]

Watching this makes me realise how important emotional intelligence is.

[@theyou-2-bepodcast190]

Gonna out on a limb and claim emotional intelligence isn't real and is just a buzzword, on account of the fact that no one seems to be able to define it.

[@basharmubarak116]

@@theyou-2-bepodcast190 that makes no sense. A simple Google search is going to solve that problem of ignorance.

[@InjaNoKenja]

​@theyou-2-bepodcast190 I believe it's the ability to show empathy and sympathy towards others. To reserve judgments for when we truly understand someone's situation. If you think what I'm describing is the minimum, congrats you have high emotional intelligence. I'd also argue that it's the ability to be in tune with your own emotions and express them when necessary.

[@cyberbrain2000]

YESSS and sadly that the majority lacks it

[@ashlee6254]

@@theyou-2-bepodcast190 you ever tried googling it?

[@šljivka]

The fact that the “anti-feminists” are saying this stuff with their whole chest like they’ve experienced being a woman firsthand is sending me.

[@abivridhpandian8786]

Can't it go vice-versa?

[@V_insomnia]

​@@abivridhpandian8786example?

[@amybarnhill8338]

I look at it that way from both sides. Like, for me, feminists take it way too far. And I don't like what they are doing to our society. So I feel like men stepping forward as feminists only perpetuates that. It doesn't make things better. On the flip side, the men being so oblivious to the female experience is also mind boggling in that they think they know anything about it

[@ushnarahman]

@@abivridhpandian8786 no one said it couldnt..?

[@abivridhpandian8786]

@@ushnarahman does someone have to say that it can’t for me to point out that it can?

[@gemmabarkertomkins]

The immediate "A pretty woman can get what she wants" comment made me so furious. Like immediately saying that women's value is held in her appearance. Sure, if you're pretty you might get what you want- along with harassment and objectification and a weird sense of ownership from various men- but if you don't fit the beauty standards? It goes that way too- like, to be hired women have to wear makeup- to look presentable. There are literal initiatives that supply homeless women with makeup so they can get hired- because if you're not altering your appearance, you're not presentable. And women who don't fit the beauty standard are immediately devalued as people. NOBODY SHOULD BE JUDGED BY THEIR APPEARANCE- positively or negatively. And that's what women have to deal with, much more than men.

[@urfavoritegrace]

underrated comment fr

[@altheamyrne5042]

preach

[@renexaa]

PREACHHH

[@AshleyMaxwells-mv6vy]

SAY IT LOUDER FOR PEOPLE IN THE BACK

[@niceperson4086]

i think you dropped this 🙇‍♀👑

[@CIockie]

Donovan is a paid actor there's no way 😭

[@Eesa9807]

fr

[@xe11e]

Respect for Kevin for staying patient and sharing his opinions calmly

[@Rennn360]

Fr

[@Kayla.Daysssss]

Fr he was super respectful for both men and women

[@LydiaBarnett-x8i]

Litterally

[@lovepeacepatince]

True feminist

[@Sojuboy]

t’s called being asian and having respectful values. Everyone else thinks just cause they’re louder means that they are correct.

[@pinkishlyshy__8191]

The fact that between anti feminists and feminists, they can all agree that period pain isn’t exaggerated because they know for a fact they can’t say anything on that because they simply don’t experience it, is lovely.

[@coinedartist9893]

@@RetroMamba that is not something ANYWHERE close to period pain... why are you comparing the two?

[@rose-rv5yz]

@@RetroMamba there two different things

[@pikasoccer]

@@RetroMamba are you admitting to rape online sir?

[@ravenscalls]

@@RetroMamba yep totally the same thing

[@robertsarge-xl6vq]

ball pain

[@alexandraahlen2201]

Anyone noticed how when Kevin (the guy on the feminist-side with a black and white jacket) spoke, everyone just stopped and listened without interrupting him? He was so calm so that when he spoke, nobody felt the need to cut him off or anything like that. That guy is a perfect example of why staying calm is the way to win an argument, every single time.

[@Fernanda-vq8pq]

yess!!

[@CalmInTheMidstOfChaos]

The softest spoken person in the room is always the most powerful.

[@markrojo9099]

hes fine asf LMAOSOAO

[@robinfox4440]

Feminists are usually the ones who get angry and cut you off when arguing with them, no matter how calmly you point something out. It's impossible to argue with ideologues.

[@laurelleparsonage689]

@@CalmInTheMidstOfChaos unless your a woman cuz then you are scientifically more likely to get spoken over or interpreted

[@emilygreen5673]

i 100% think that clarkson has the potential to be a feminist if he understood it better

[@palakgoenka]

omg i was thinking the same and was even about to comment this, but then i saw your comment and yes absolutely 100% agree

[@bhumikamohapatra4847]

Exactly i agreed with most of his points i think he misunderstood the word itself

[@風立ちぬ-o4b]

i fully believe his definition of feminism refers to the “toxic feminism” just like how we have toxic masculinity. clarkson was respectful and his points were well supported, the only thing i disagreed with was how he said we don’t live in a patriarchal anymore.

[@DoubleStudentLoans]

More women are leaving feminism than men are joining itn

[@coraW]

​​@@DoubleStudentLoansbecause people don't understand that feminism simply means equality between both genders

[@HanabiLenwood]

It's always funny to see that anti-feminist men suddently become feminist when it comes to do 50/50 financially.

[@Richdragon4]

I haven't noticed any such notion. The antifeminist side was also agains third wave feminism which isn't primarily about finances. I think that would be the second wave.

[@littleripper312]

They're for 50/50 finances but not equal pay for equal work lmao

[@astrohitter1791]

They want a submissive provider 😅

[@thelordofthetundra2958]

feminism does not own the concept of equality

[@op-wn9oc]

Feminist ideology is victim ideology

[@castellongort]

Donovan is SO EXHAUSTING. I respect his bravery to come on the show without knowing absolutely nothing about anything

[@rohanshende4338]

I bet you are a feminist. The bias in your comment speaks.

[@nthing2write254]

Yeah.. but I don't know if I respect that part either, bravery or...um stupidity??

[@weeeek1933]

Low iq spotted

[@kiararoland2630]

IM WHEEZING

[@rebeccajackson4984]

He's truly clueless.

[@marissawright7084]

CJ: "It's a shame that the world is so black and white" Also CJ: "Men are supposed to protect and women are supposed to raise children"

[@dsp4392]

CJ is like an off-brand Andrew Tate.

[@nathangaspacio6128]

@@dsp4392 he looks like if andrew tatee didnt go bald

[@diamonshade7484]

​@@nathangaspacio6128he ain't bald More

[@willl9046]

CJ is full of contradictions. He kept saying that he isn’t a victim and isn’t oppressed but also he feels that men suffer under feminism. Like which one is it?

[@jtc1ra]

PragerU hires their bests...

[@wearethereds]

Every time donovan opens his mouth, it shaves off 10 yrs of my life, only to be restored every time Kevin speaks

[@Khushreetkaur-dg4ig]

I couldn't agree more....

[@mik1902]

The way my jaw just dropped when that one guy didn’t believe women should be financially independent from men. Oh my gosh.

[@mik1902]

And his reasoning….. ayayaye 🤦‍♀️

[@jenniferromero571]

What does it matter.

[@owen3721]

He was the only truly reactionary person there. The other "antifeminists" are just against feminist terminology like "toxic masculinity," "mansplaining," etc. Donovan is the only one who is a true koolaid-drinking traditionalist.

[@0doublezero0]

And plenty of feminist women who don't want men to be househusbands.

[@hanashin7077]

@@0doublezero0 What? Excuse me? Give me evidence, please. I'll fight you with evidence of the opposite side back!

[@sunri528]

"I think women are more emotional"- Says the guy that has said "I feel" more times than I have ever said in my entire life

[@zedwalker]

I never got why people say women are more emotional, if that’s the case why do men commit most violent crimes 😂

[@roguegamer8568]

​@@zedwalkerwomen cry about things more men get angry more. That's what that means. Crying gets you nowhere. Anger helps you to push forward. That the difference.

[@portaldolphin13]

@@roguegamer8568 it pushes you forward into a hole is what it does

[@zedwalker]

@@roguegamer8568 Are you trying to justify violent crimes?

[@bbrriaaanna]

I'm sorry is anger not an emotion anymore? men are so quick to call women emotional for crying and having normal feelings but turn around and get angry when a girl rejects them. I learned all the different emotions in 1st grade bro@@roguegamer8568

[@QuinnCBeauty]

“They are losing their ability to compete in beauty pageants” “oh boy” was my immediate response too like that’s the issues we are facing

[@Anna-nj7co]

As a woman, that truly affects heavily me on a daily basis

[@madamjuice1000]

😭😭😭

[@Lizanya8]

No because… 😂😂😂

[@kyasonkaylor6807]

Pageants objectify women and put women against each other

[@ragegaze3482]

He is talking about trans women, which is a big current issue, because it's slowly taking more opportunities away from women. Nothing else is blatantly taking away womens rights

[@minnesota_loon]

Yes...divorce favors women SO much...that is why my husband blackmailed me out of child support.... for 3 children...because he didn't want to pay and threatened with filing for alimony because he chose to be unemployed after retiring from the USN and I was employed for the first time in 16 years. HE was receiving retirement pay AND 80% disability pay but didn't have to support his children. To add insult to injury...he refused to jointly assume student loan debt for our middle daughter and I now have over $200k of ParentPlus loans that I alone am responsible for. So yeah...men always get screwed in divorce proceedings.

[@DousedInPiss]

So, he had to go around the rules society set up just do he didn't have to pay... You've literally just proven the point.

[@thepatterofrain7948]

My stepdad literally did TAX FRAUD attempting to pay less child support (he is a freelancer lawyer for clarification) Guess what, my mama is also a lawyer and he is facing attachment due to the whole mess his tax plate is.

[@minnesota_loon]

@@Lxrzo It’s “Waaaaaa ‘f*cking waaaaaaaaa” 🙄

[@minnesota_loon]

@@thepatterofrain7948 Is your mom a lawyer in Pennsylvania by chance? 🤔🤔🤔

[@shaktimishra9710]

when women don't get child custody it's usually because she was previously drug user or domestic criminal against children's

[@danktime216]

"Women are emotional being" meanwhile this is Jubilee's most emotionally charged video

[@huellfring1434]

If it women it will even more emotional

[@ap7football933]

It’s an extremely sensitive topic in the present day so doesn’t rlly have anything to do with them being all men. If you think women are not more emotional than men then you’re seriously deluded

[@ar433new6]

@@huellfring1434 anger is also an emotion btw

[@t.g.6080]

@@ap7football933 Men are clearly more emotional. Look at them, they can barely sit and listen to each other. Constant interruptions, barely hearing the others point. Makes sense you’re ‘seriously deluded.’

[@ap7football933]

@@t.g.6080 😂😂😂😂 you did not just say that, men are more emotional than women? What exactly are you smoking? There’s having an opinion and then just being in straight denial over a blatant fact

[@mishmarie4170]

As a woman, I can tell you that I know with confidence who I would feel physically and emotionally safe around and who I would not, from this video.

[@actinaction]

I love how the antifeminists look exactly how I pictured them to look, would definetely cover my drink when they enter a room...

[@christian_12346]

Okay I agree with some of their points but for the most part they were just braindead incels so yeah I would agree.@@actinaction

[@dodododo6875]

they getting laid huh?

[@xarkee]

thats so real

[@eamezcua188]

@@actinactionexactly, I agree completely, not so much with the comment previously because I feel like they’re all educated but I feel a lot safer with the anti-feminist than the feminist ngl just because the feminist came out talking more aggressively, unprofessional, kept interrupting and being dismissive with the anti-feminist points while the anti-feminist would actually listen and try to give an actual educated answer. Now I MIGHT JUST BE SAYING THIS BECAUSE I’ve been raised by anti-feminist and been around them more that I can completely understand where they’re coming from

[@frcasdaniela727]

None of y’all have any idea how many times I paused this just to argue by myself

[@MM-tn3qv]

Sameee

[@dwiatmika9563]

Lmao

[@undercover_idiot]

Sameeeee

[@Yesmmm8]

ME TOO

[@ouiouiouiouiouiouiouioui]

me fr

[@ashleyw3688]

Thank you Tucker. Thank you Quinten. Thank you Kevin. Thank you Josh.

[@penthousewhippit]

It's so crazy to me how many men say that women are more emotional but also feel so emasculated by everything. Just because you don't realize when emotions aren't affecting you, doesn't mean you're not emotional

[@zobizobizobi]

Exactly, it will almost always come out in a maladaptive way if not processed with transparency. So many people seem to struggle to wrap their heads around this.

[@v.xien.]

Men are more emotional and have less self-aware edit since people will take this the wrong way: obviously, women TEND to be more emotional yes, but I am replying to what OP said, in the way men often do not realize they are projecting and using internal emotional bias while thinking they are stoic lol. Women are more likely to know they are emotional, while men are not. Hence the lack of self-awareness.

[@sr.mental5876]

@@v.xien. The chemicals in the water are turning the males into sissies.

[@zobizobizobi]

I’ll add - in my Opinion inherently this isn’t something to ridicule anyone for, it’s a result of conditioning over a long period I think. But I think there comes a time where people should not think they’re exempt from embracing their emotions because it makes them any less ‘manly’. I think that’s where some pride and toxicity comes in but I just don’t really understand what is shameful about emotions. I think what they take to be ‘male traits’ like being courageous and powerful for example is actually synonymous with taking stock of your emotions and tackling them with acceptance and learning rather than maladaptive coping such as violence or substance abuse. Or even just bitterness or arrogance. Which is what many people seem to have.

[@minglou2019]

That's not even the point. It was scientifically proven that males and females are intellectually equal. The only reason men seem more violent or women seem more emotional is purely the patriarchy

[@evagerdes3444]

“I feel like women are more emotional” While the room is filled up with guys yelling and not allowing each other to speak cause theyre mad and emotional.

[@anglcmv]

fr its exhausting seeing then just yelling but not listening, so inmature tho

[@insideAdirtyMind]

Yeah, because men think anger and frustration are not emotions, like happyness are not emotions. The majority of men literally behave like todlers, scream and beat up other men or their wives, because they can not control their emotions, but for some reason women are the emotional ones. Just scratch a mans ego a bit and he gets so very emotional, but of course he is not emotional he is controlled while he abuses you and screams at you and If women get angry there is of course no reason for this, because they are just crazy and emotional for no reason

[@DavidW-ng5zv]

​@@insideAdirtyMind, so if men are emotional, what is your solution? Please note that emotions are a bad thing.

[@britneyvik34]

@@DavidW-ng5zvthe solution is to let them be emotional and stop telling women that they are emotional for acting in the same way 😅

[@turquoisestranger7566]

@@DavidW-ng5zvplease note that anger is an emotion.

[@gabriellecollier6235]

Nobody says nothing back to Kevin cause he’s so calm and has amazing responses, props to him.

[@danimotherofchickens479]

Is he the patriarchy guy? Cause it was just because he sounded brain washed

[@gaceofspades]

@@danimotherofchickens479 he is the one in the flannel thing

[@brinsley4599]

Kevin really was amazing, totally impressed me

[@chikentendersandfries]

@@danimotherofchickens479 Lol… ok girl

[@camara1194]

Clarkson did when he asked him to define patriarchy

[@ilon6439]

If the 4 anti feminists hate women so much, why don't they just date each other 💀

[@Five_FingersofDeath]

No. They just don't kiss the behinds of women. Stop pretending women are God's

[@IvanaRock]

Try again slowpoke

[@switzerlandful]

Do the "anti-feminists" really hate women? Or is that simply something you suggested?

[@palemeadows]

@@switzerlandfulyou do!

[@switzerlandful]

​@@palemeadows Why would I hate women?

[@e.mariannem1640]

Tucker replying with "are you aware of all of history" is the highlight of this whole episode

[@williamg780]

As a history major I laughed so hard lol

[@Jasmineeunknown]

Notice how almost all the feminists have gfs that they talk about and the other side doesn’t

[@shar4803]

Yeah crazy concept that women want men that are educated on womens issues! Some men don't seem to get that and equate men that are feminsts and in a relationship with "oh they're doing it to get laid/a girlfriend"

[@ladymonja]

Wtf? ​@@xartonz

[@xartonz]

@@ladymonja Ikr

[@DATAEXPUNGED.]

@@xartonzIt can go either way. They don’t have time to take care of their health OR they are comfortable with their relationship to where they aren’t concerned about their weight. Then again these are people we don’t know personally so I won’t make assumptions.

[@kiharaguerrerolopez6737]

@@xartonz They must be happy, or their personality must be divine. In the other hand, tose guys...

[@tylinious]

"I cant think of any other reason than to get laid..." wow imagine not being able to wrap your head around empathy.

[@sao9184]

men

[@Monkchelle_Kongbama]

@@sao9184 it snake too 2 tango

[@kristalefler3312]

The ironic part is most guys aren’t expressing women’s rights ideologies to get laid, but probably are getting laid more because they’re just generally more likable compassionate people.

[@IvanaRock]

Empathy is for women. And homosexuals.

[@inlovewithwomanizers]

males 🤣

[@x711gasolinehitsdifferentx]

as a woman i was immediately pissed by the very start

[@IvanaRock]

As a woman you should make babies

[@x711gasolinehitsdifferentx]

@@IvanaRock well nobody else can so obviously. but if i don’t want to i don’t have to either

[@Bshdjdj-lt7by]

@@x711gasolinehitsdifferentxactually you do. Its just that you enjoy other women’s sacrifice while you just have fun

[@91Elisabeth91]

​@@IvanaRockI hope this is satire...

[@amityjewel4528]

@@IvanaRockI’m gonna have a baby with your dad and give him the son he deserves

[@miseduc8ted]

“if a woman feels intimidated, that’s on her” is actually insane

[@gamuhnerdu4759]

Why? Strangers aren't responsible for you, you can't expect them to go out of their way to appease your feelings.

[@calebpeters6267]

​@gamuhnerdu4759 i can be intimidated by a puppy, is that the puppies fault?

[@darkraft1020]

If you walked into a mens locker room and felt intimidated, is that the other mens fault?

[@DayvorMusic]

It's not insane at all. I'm if constantly intimidated by black people, is that on them, or maybe I'm a racist who assumes every black person means to harm me? I know your kind is incapable of logic, but try it for once, even if it hurts your precious feelings.

[@soap7737]

@@calebpeters6267a puppy can’t rape or rob you so

[@omerdanenberg]

watching this as a woman is an out of body experience tbh

[@floydclark6710]

Oh, poor baby. LOL You are so oppressed.

[@like_grrra]

@@floydclark6710the football icon tells us all we need to know. thank you for your opinion.

[@floydclark6710]

@@like_grrra Yeah. Nobody who is a fan of football could possibly be correct about anything. Well played, ma'am.

[@like_grrra]

@@floydclark6710 you didn’t really say anything worth discussing, you just mocked a random woman lmaooo

[@floydclark6710]

@@like_grrra I certainly did mock a random woman. However, I would argue that it is worth discussing why so many women are professional victims in today's Western culture. You're intentionally dodging the issue that I'm mocking.

[@sonyawix5871]

Kevin is so incredibly mindful and thoughtful, and his overall demeanor is just reassuring.

[@supertrollfaxnoprinter3329]

i fuking hate kevin i hope something bad happens to him.

[@katherinegrace9724]

He’s such a gem

[@viviennedunbar3374]

He is sexy.

[@Valonty2]

Loved him from the second he starte talking

[@goaliebattlesproductions4800]

He a feminist, aka brainwashed

[@jadedabratz7442]

It’s always women being mothers but we never talk about men being fathers……..

[@liliadesouza3597]

the amount of times feminism is confused with misandry is actually shocking

[@stephanasstephen3070]

Today's feminism don't make feminism different from misandry

[@sirebellum0]

Yeah, some people that identify as feminists are confused themselves

[@av1935]

Like it was crazy that it wasnt mentioned once either

[@anxietina_]

you would be surprised at the amount of self-proclaimed feminists on twitter that proudly call themselves misandrists, as if it's a thing to be proud of. it's sad.

[@MsNikeNike]

@Bee "it's not a form of hatred" Bruh Misandry (/mɪˈsændri/) is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men. Bigotry usually comes from some sort of hurt, that doesn't make it justified.

[@RaydenCN]

4 feminist, 2 antifeminist and 2 straight up misogynists. Well that was fun.

[@jaydenbrough9624]

I’d argue Clarkson was the only antifeminist who wasn’t a downright misogynist and he was also the only one who was gay so there’s definitely a pattern

[@pink_mushroom____]

All "anti-feminists" are misogynists

[@tonyonaperky2128]

@@jaydenbrough9624 So you can't disagree with a woman unless you're gay

[@annem07]

THIS‼Clarkson was the only somewhat reasonable antifem. I can swear Donovan has never spoken to a woman in his life

[@tonyonaperky2128]

@@annem07 Why tho?

[@brainrotandvodkaslovechild]

“did that help when vote at all, being pretty?” actually amazing. 1:49

[@maudedwt5937]

Feminism isn't about making woman stronger. Woman are already strong, its about changing the way the world perceives that strength

[@IvanaRock]

Nope

[@ssssssric]

@@IvanaRockYes

[@IvanaRock]

​@@ssssssricSlow kid huh?

[@ssssssric]

@@IvanaRock You cant decide the meaning of feminisim. Get your head from our your a**

[@ssssssric]

@@IvanaRock You cant decide the meaning of feminisim.

[@natalie-dy1tq]

the guy that said women have pretty privilege is exactly one of the reasons why we have feminists. Hes basically saying that women can get a job because they are pretty and men cant, but the thing is that women shouldnt have to feel like they need to be pretty in order to get a job. like men shouldnt be looking at women and saying ill give u this because you are pretty. men can get jobs because they are tough and all that. and like the whole point of being a feminist is to be equal to men not to be better than men.

[@assitouf]

Admit that Western women are privileged...

[@cheopstiqs]

@@assitoufthose three letters in the start of your name describes you so well

[@assitouf]

@@cheopstiqs Pathetic, you have 0 argument.

[@Armoured-Pizza-Carrier]

@@cheopstiqsThey are privileged as a group compared to white men, in the justice system and in society.

[@ilpulcinopio-jw4co]

@@assitoufdid you actually read the comment you’re replying to or what

[@leen34568]

as a professional arguer (i argue about everything) watching this without being in the room was torture.

[@Amelia123nfje]

YESS THANK YOU. Omg it was so hard just watching it and not being able to say smh

[@leen34568]

@@Amelia123nfje exactly like please get me in there.

[@faismasterx]

Professional? How much does it pay?

[@leen34568]

@@faismasterx it actually costs your sanity.

[@Amelia123nfje]

@@faismasterx hahah

[@salem7190]

The fact the people who were actually in relationships had a better-formed argument... I really liked Kevin the most. He was listening intently but as soon as he opened his mouth, he easily expresses facts without getting overly emotional.

[@mr.whippedcream8000]

There weren't facts :(

[@willows6324]

the way they have partners😱

[@jbluyt8890]

Facts ? What facts

[@loopymomy2532]

I agree that the men that spoke more understanding about women issues were the one dating women, because my motto is that if you aren't around the opposite sex in a healthy manner much you will not understand them better in fact your is misunderstand more the more you are less around them or around them in unhealthy contexts. But I disagree that kevin spoke facts though. He did not. I wish he could better end his arguments but he couldn;t.

[@Forcasify]

@@loopymomy2532clown

[@simplynothing2194]

Some men want to be "the providers" yet they strongly believe women should be financially independent.

[@shaktimishra9710]

what is wrong with it?

[@Chwenotchew-yj8mf]

​@@shaktimishra9710 are u serious?👁️👁️

[@ShakuenC]

I really appreciate that the name tags with their stands were constantly indicated when they spoke. It really helped keeping track

[@skyba9374]

Youre pretty

[@danielhoving4832]

@@skyba9374 this is jubilee, not tinder bro 😭

[@elitegamer7414]

​@@skyba9374Youre weird

[@skyba9374]

@@elitegamer7414 Ironic coming from elite gamer

[@Chwenotchew-yj8mf]

​@@skyba9374ew what a creep

[@jennaoakley1126]

the way he was saying "if women feel intimidated thats on her" but then also argues that society is "demonizing masculinity" and that whole argument is the funniest thing to me

[@LightAndShaddow5]

Is it also funny to you when a feminist has double standards?

[@Stinkyfefefe]

@@LightAndShaddow5my double stander in a guy is that he has to be fictional

[@LightAndShaddow5]

@@Stinkyfefefe Is that funny?

[@LightAndShaddow5]

@@collective654 How?

[@Stinkyfefefe]

@@LightAndShaddow5 I like fictional men

[@shaybearden9438]

Im not done with the video yet, but so far I really appreciate how the feminist men don’t seem like typical “nice guys” they seem much more genuine in their feminism.

[@edvh88]

Yes, and several of them have women partners!

[@InChristWeTrust999]

The two more reserved men seem like nice people, but the other two men wearing orange sweatshirts are absolutely insufferable.

[@jkn111111]

This is a joke right….

[@kitty-q5o]

@@jkn111111no?? why would it be??

[@musicplug1730]

@@kitty-q5ocause all the feminist men seem very feminine themselves. They act like women can do no wrong the antifeminist side was a more realistic

[@shrutikaanand7587]

27:31 citing Johnny Depp's case as a proof of how feminism has gone "too far" is so ironic considering the vile and misogynistic campaign against Amber Heard, the real victim, was one of the worst online witch hunts of the decade. He is living it up with a band and a career while she has had to move away and leave Hollywood.

[@emily4514]

My one main pushback would be to the idea that "women are trying to be men". Having a job and providing for yourself is not trying to be a dude. That's the whole point, having self-efficacy should not be considered a characteristic of masculinity.

[@Manvir.]

exactly

[@melissam597]

And if those women lived off their husbands they'd just get called leeches by those men. We can't win with them.

[@Grovvee]

@@melissam597 my mom gets criticized so hard because she’s independent and to herself

[@onetimeiateanindonesianguy6183]

If you really look it’s not hard to see that woman are encouraged to be more masculine while men are encouraged to be more feminine. The people in charge of these ideologies curate it very meticulously and it’s not in our best interest. It’s in theirs.

[@emily4514]

@@onetimeiateanindonesianguy6183 what do you consider to be masculine/feminine?

[@ErBeary]

"Period pain is exaggerated" *pin drops* lmao Loved that. Smart men for not stepping forward for that one.

[@un_real9971]

Because how can you say something is exaggerated when you yourself have never experienced it.

[@ErBeary]

@@un_real9971 Exactly. But you would be surprised at the comments that I have heard from men about period pain and even childbirth.

[@gagol8833]

@@un_real9971 kick in ball is more hurtful for ur information

[@nevv343]

@@gagol8833 have u had a period? silly it’s every month for 7 days. does u get kicked in the balls every months for 7 days straight ? if u r get help

[@thinkabtloona]

@@gagol8833 it is NOT..

[@leticiakay6422]

8:37 him telling women not to have sex without protection and when they say it back to him he says “well i won’t have a baby!” is exactly the problem with society today

[@JeffreyHuang-ox2rc]

how? he meant he will not have it with a women without intention for procreation

[@dicerevo]

Yes… but he’s also factually correct. A male cannot birth a child. Reproductive rights are heavily favoured towards women (as it should be) and as the saying goes… with great power comes great responsibility

[@ItsRainingOutsideAndImSmiling]

Has he ever heard of r to the a to the p to the e

[@purpleirklegrovestreet]

Is he wrong? Who gets to say they want to have or not have an abortion? Who gets custody of the children in most cases in legal proceedings? Women hold all the cards when it comes to birthing a child, men hold literally none. If anything, women have the upper hand💀

[@JeffreyHuang-ox2rc]

@@ItsRainingOutsideAndImSmiling I agree. abortion should be allowed to rape victims.

[@death.by.lov3]

no shot he just said women are born valuable and men have to work hard or do something to even be respected?! Women in Afghan are not even allowed to talk in public spaces or show their face while men are respected and can do whatever they want.

[@Ziz-xl5tr]

Ikr.. I believe men get more respected than women in most certain areas.

[@cpisarek4284]

The fact that no one stepped forward for the "period pain is exaggerated" prompt made me smile. I think that's one of the only things that all *decent* men can accept is so far out of their realm of experience that they cannot possibly comment on the degree of severity of period pain.

[@ujiiiiosjwwj4jr]

Ikrrr,like bruh I spend 5 hours screaming from pain monthly.

[@straecat]

Those of us with endo/dysmenorrhea would have been amused.

[@koppy82]

I mean, this is just a cold hard fact

[@jaeminie5994]

@@ujiiiiosjwwj4jr Same I spend around 10 hours every month crying, screaming, nausea, throwing up, rolling on floors and beds & passing out and loosing my appetite & having muscle pain, back pain, thigh pain, even vag*nal & backdoor pain 😂 it’s not funny but it’s absolutely horrible with crazy mood swings and crying sessions. The first 3 days are horrible and bloated. I get cramps even the last day of period. Not to mention having to bleed for 7-10 days and ruining many cute panties & buying EXPENSIVE pads every month.

[@skyminnie6605]

Im so glad the bare minimum was met

[@seloschxd7194]

"when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression." - Franklin Leonard

[@ultraviolentromantic]

yes !!!!

[@MorganHorse]

Yep. Exactly what you’re seeing in this video.

[@Gringoviej0]

facts

[@poocrayon4588]

Meaningless platitude in place of an actual argument

[@ericlester3782]

Say it loud🎉

[@carleighdebrock379]

as a women, i’m just glad these men could come together and attempt to have this conversation, it all starts from somewhere.

[@jonnyhill1155]

What

[@rootedpen2]

@@jonnyhill1155 what?

[@LoLsnl]

Every second I watched this video I got more and more gay

[@JessicaCJones]

​@@LoLsnl sameeee. I want no part in that nonsense they got going on

[@rysynashalothlusurpateur577]

For my part, it comes around the problem is not the idea of the feminism but how it is applied nowadays. The true problem is not people who have different opinion, but people who are unable to talk about it without violence, and generally speaking, the discussion was clearly more complicated when i was in a feminist group (not all of thoses groups were bad), but even from the side of incels ; some people, men and women alike, would just listen and brush your argument off because they are not truly ready to doubt themselves. But globally speaking, the insults were more violent when i was discussing with feminist who were really engaged in their movement, like a build up anger which waited to errupt and destroy something, and that kind of vibe was just scary !

[@technicallydifficultyknow]

i always feel the need to applaud jubilee for finding these people, it’s crazy to see people like this on video

[@bookishlyinclined2972]

Can’t believe that guy used Teresa May’s resignation and ineptitude and applied it to all women. You can’t use the failures of one woman and apply it to all women’s future potentials as leaders. Imagine if we did that to men.

[@drmblu]

it was Liz Truss's

[@bookishlyinclined2972]

@@drmblu but Teresa May resigned similarly too so I guess he could use her as an example too

[@drmblu]

@@bookishlyinclined2972 I didn't know that, thank you.

[@xoxrazzyxox]

She resigned over Brexit which she didn’t vote for. I felt bad for Teresa May. Liz Truss not so much.

[@pcos2401]

But you do do that towards men.. incessantly .. not just male leaders but towards males in general .. even towards males who were definitely very competent but you don't agree with, you'll put a negative spin on and focus on it

[@umamirai]

quinten's facial expressions while donovan talks are sending me

[@eraphimriddle3322]

Kevin is my hero. Also anybody kind of laughing about the fact the men on the feminist side mentioning their girlfriend, wife, daughters and their experiences? Which either speaks for them in a sense that they actually got game or that these people are proud and mindful of their experience with a woman in their life.

[@mattwilson7443]

Pretty sure two of the a antifemenists are gay and the other two are incels

[@hugo-zi6gm]

No sane person uses the word "game" in this context lmaoooo

[@mhmyuhh]

@@mattwilson7443i thought clark was cool? i feel like he was more feminine then anti feminine, clark being the white guy with short blond hair

[@hoshihamz]

yeah i found it interesting and funny that besides Clarkson (who is openly gay) the feminist men had more to say about their partners, indicating they actually have them... and it's not a coincidence why lol

[@OrangeJuice-yo3hl]

​@@mattwilson7443man I feel like all of them are gay lol. I'm sitting here like "how does this even effect yall?"

[@LeilaniMayorga]

Donovan was never hugged as a child

[@bsimms583]

What happened to the word "feminism" is what happened with every issue in the social media age: the loudest (and often times worst) voices get the most attention and the entire movement gets defined by them. If you described feminism, without using the term, I'm confident most people would agree with it.

[@soso-mx8nb]

It's so sad to see women who actually benefit from feminism being loudly against feminism. Brainwashed by the internet...

[@firesong7825]

Of course most people agree with idealizations, but this is the real world and the support that movements should receive should be based on the actions of the people in it. Ignoring that just gives power to people who do harm.

[@rotulaman630]

Marketization of ideals... not only the original message gets oversimplified to a denaturating point, but it gets sold for profit, increasing the interest to reduce it even more to increase revenue...

[@asb34ref8]

@@firesong7825 Yes, but the actions of a minority of loud people shouldn't override everyone else.

[@FIREcrochethairstyles]

1000000%

[@stephanychang6749]

“Period pain is exaggerated” topic was hilarious. Im glad no one came forward 😂

[@TedEhioghae]

Talking about eating icecream when you have period is cringe.

[@mimo5853]

But I bet if there was a group of women and the prompt was “Do you think men over exaggerate pain when they are hit/kicked in the balls?” every women would have stepped forward.

[@kalyani5526]

@@mimo5853 bet away. Nobody really cares about thoughts here

[@mariunfabregas7533]

@@mimo5853 not you comparing period pains to getting kicked in the balls as if getting kicked in the balls is a regular, monthly occurance😭

[@lemoineau2317]

@@mariunfabregas7533 And in some cultures, an occurance that is shamed upon

[@banj1595]

I don't see how guys can be mad that woman can get things for just being pretty, when the men are the ones that base a woman's value on her looks. If a woman can get onto a rich guys boat just because she's pretty it's really the fault of the guy because he only sees her for her looks, If the guys complaining were rich they would do the same, because of how they see women.

[@Sephiroth3000]

I wonder. Am I misogynistic for saying: "Don't give women stuff just for being pretty" ?

[@Aeom_333]

@@Sephiroth3000 No but you really can't control what people spend their money on.

[@inuhundchien6041]

@Sephiroth this is misogynistic because everyone wants to give free stuff to beautiful people regardless of gender. Maybe you and your friends are just ugly that's why it never happens to you but handsome men get free stuff all the time. Beautiful people are just blessed and a blessing to the world.

[@Devi_Seona]

They should be mad at themselves for valuing women based on their appearance, but they refuse to take accountability, so it HAVE to be the women fault.

[@gayatridas21]

@@Sephiroth3000 No, but you can't also stop those who actual give them that privilege

[@gloriacruz4592]

Anti: “when women cry they get called princesses and we don’t” another Anti: “I feel like men these days are weak and just okay with being losers”

[@anandjainishere]

Anti feminists disagree with each other, because every Individual is different.

[@cheesepuff5700]

Cloverse: Men should be allowed to show feelings and cry. But society makes it hard for them to. It's unfair that women can cry then be treated like a princess. Also Cloverse: Men today are weak. 27:00 BOI WTF YOUR LITERALLY THE REASON WHY-

[@sarahcrockett4508]

When women cry we get made fun of and looked down on too. It's seen as childish and makes people doubt your competency. I do agree that men and women should be better taught to process our emotions.

[@cancelled_user]

This is simply not true. Women say this but they don´t really mean it. Crying men are not attractive to women. Unless it´s for something super serious such as death of a close relative or so. We´ve even seen feminists saying men should cry, but then naming exceptions when they shouldn´t, lol... And then, tons of experiences from random guys saying how this was used against them once they got into an argument with their GF who seen them crying. No, thanks.

[@jonathandevereaux298]

Bad comparison, it wasn't stated that men who cry are weak. You decided crying is weakness and attached it to the argument.

[@leilabenet7453]

@@cancelled_user what exceptions? I watched the movie Hatchi with my ex, that I had seen 3 times already and still made me cry. He didn't shed a single tear, it was a turn off for me, am I dating a sociopath?

[@sunny_dance7266]

@@cancelled_user that is so not true

[@meli6882]

I REALLY like how the guy in the orange shirt, Quinten, just says "hold on" whenever someone tries to interrupt him and finishes his thought.

[@ShootyMcBirb]

I can't describe how happy I was when no one stepped out on the ''period pain is over-exaggerated''

[@skylerbarrett2931]

Bare minimum.

[@makesmewannadie647]

Oh yeah

[@Hector-bj3ls]

I mean it's not like anyone there could answer either way, so them not stepping out doesn't mean they disagree. They have no way to know. In fact, no woman can answer that either. You can only feel your own pain.

[@ShootyMcBirb]

@@Hector-bj3ls i get really bad cramps. I cannot function with them on the first day (they usually disappear after the third day for me), I know some boys who just bully girls when they ask for some pain killers.

[@Hector-bj3ls]

@@ShootyMcBirb Well those boys are assholes then. If my wife claims she's in pain then I'm inclined to believe her and do my best to find some way to relieve it. I don't know if she's telling the truth or not, but I give her the benefit of the doubt. If some random woman tells me she's in pain then I will say something like "sorry to hear that", but that's about it. I have no obligation to help her. Again, I don't know if she really is in pain or not, but it's nothing to do with me and I'll leave her to it. Unless there is clearly something very wrong. In which case I'd call an ambulance or something.

[@mayap3446]

As a brown woman who is a proud feminist, this debate was smth.

[@jazmineszlari414]

At the "Women should be be encouraged to be financially independent of men" I could literally feel even the other anti-feminists being horrified when Donavan was explaining

[@tonyonaperky2128]

@jazmineszlari414 The problem is, is that you should be encouraged to be financially independent, which means alimony should not be a thing. But we saw how women reacted in SK when the SK president was putting that into action..

[@AlternativeSign]

@@tonyonaperky2128Why are you a keyboard warrior lmaooo. Commented so much.

[@tonyonaperky2128]

@@AlternativeSign Laughing at your own comment is the weirdest thing you can do

[@AlternativeSign]

@@tonyonaperky2128 I have 2-3 short responses and 1 longer one and they are peaceful LMAOOO what is ur obsession with feminism? You took like 1 hr to respond I took a day😂😂

[@tonyonaperky2128]

@@AlternativeSign Logical fallacies of ad hominems. Means you have no point

[@Cya._]

Kevin! Intelligent, soft spoken, highly introspective, reflective, very straightforward when he talks, absolutely on point and actually objective. I have nothing but high respect for you, Kevin.

[@dmvangel23_]

Bro, did he even talk why yu praising him😂

[@Cya._]

@@dmvangel23_ Yeah, try to clean your ears next time!

[@tefeak683]

@val.140 lol you mad he don't praise him back 🤣 😂 💀

[@estrigo_tigo552]

@@tefeak683 they simply said pay more attention Kevin spoke multiple times during the video, he probably didn’t want to listen because he didn’t want to, which defeats the entire purpose of these videos because you’re supposed to listen to the other side.

[@tima1639]

Yea! I Loved him

[@SH3NIGv]

As a woman, the amount of times i had to pause this video just to take a deep breath is insane!

[@Sherryryr]

THIS

[@xerxerxo0384]

What a wuss

[@whyareusoannoying2823]

And what triggered me is the most is that is the abortion topic.Because I don't think there is no wrong reason to abort because it could have the environment or health reasons.

[@jwgkouseband4146]

Huh? why does one get out of breath from watching a video.

[@Mpenguun]

@@jwgkouseband4146​​⁠not out of breath. Yk after a long day of work you get home and just take a breath and sigh? That’s what they’re talking about. Perhaps this person is angry or sad about a few of those men’s opinions about the topic that it becomes frustrating for some people to watch as people have the whole idea of a topic that is about them(this person is a woman as stated) is wrong.

[@angeliyt7757]

The fact that this video even exists just proves how much harder it is for women

[@kateaustin9477]

kevin was my favorite. he didn’t speak often but when he did, he spoke facts. and everyone else was silent when he spoke. go kevin go

[@bellabananas]

fr

[@ylly5764]

as soon as video started i saw how nice and softspoken he was and said that guy isnt gonna be able to talk more than two lines. especially with expert yapper donovan

[@doritowithasaturn]

"women are so emotional" as if anger and lust aren't emotions too

[@RuinerOFdays]

having feelings that are easily excited and openly displayed You don't usually openly display lust but yes anger is correct.

[@Shizuka-ou9ze]

​@@RuinerOFdaysare you sure about that? Because last time i checked, cat calling would be an example of someone openly expressing their lust

[@underwaterpanther]

Gold

[@HaveHappiness]

On point. By social structure of the patriarchy sexualised "feelings" are the norm, dominant "feelings" are the norm

[@shaktimishra9710]

@@Shizuka-ou9ze lol cat calling is equally done by women . so your points wrong

[@picimp]

"if a woman feels intimidated, that's on her" was my breaking point this video

[@datsko6339]

Its true though. You can feel any certain way about whatever. It's not everyone else's job to make sure that you aren't offended all the time

[@butchcoolidge2533]

@@datsko6339 offended and intimidated are two very different words, my dude. If people feel intimidated around you, that's 100% on you and not them. Sorry!

[@datsko6339]

@@butchcoolidge2533 no. If you are trying to be intimidating, that’s on you. If you are intimidated, that’s also on you

[@butchcoolidge2533]

@@datsko6339 I don't understand how that makes sense to you at all lmao. If someone is beating you for no reason, is getting beaten up on you too? Bizarre way of thinking

[@datsko6339]

@@butchcoolidge2533 that’s completely different. If you are intimidated by someone who isn’t trying to be intimidating, that’s on you. That’s not the other person’s fault.

[@Acez-lf4qk]

Kudos to the dude with the glasses and the cap, you were the most sensical person on.

[@la1z33]

that antifeminist saying "don't have sex without protection" if you don't want a baby... i hate that nobody mentioned the topic of r4pe and the fact that protection isn't even completely foolproof.

[@jwgkouseband4146]

Less than 1% of abortions come from rape. I do get your point, but it is not really valid to base your opinion about abortions with SA cases.

[@RED-9936]

@@jwgkouseband4146 and most most rape is because these women go out to clubs with strangers who are drunk and maybe horney.

[@manofyourdreams129]

@@jwgkouseband4146 why? its still existent so u can base ur opinion on that

[@LightAndShaddow5]

@@manofyourdreams129 Because it’d eliminate around 99% of abortions.

[@ZipMapp]

Contraception is 100% unless you're a moron and producers write 99% to have an escape route from lawsuits in case consumers are absolute morons. Sperm can't go around a condom if it doesn't break, the pill indeed prevents ovocytes from being feconsated. R4pe is the exception not the norm among unwsnted pregnancies so your point is moot. No one is arguing to force you to keep your r4pists baby.

[@FayeDoggart]

Calling Liz Truss the Mayor of London is wild. She was the prime minister of the UK, like I'm not a fan, she plummeted the UK into a cost of living crisis because of her budget policies, thats why she resigned, because of the econominc crash, not because of her emotions as a woman. At least give her the status she had. Imagine calling Joe Biden the Mayor of Washington DC, that's the level of understanding and knowledge he had of this subject.

[@waxonwaxoff-fk7el]

And let’s not forget the 2 male prime ministers who “ran away” before Liz Truss and the monstrosity of a performance given by yet another male prime minister who came after her.

[@ShareenHo]

I was also like... that's one woman. Did he forget Thatcher?

[@Thisisit_zaijian]

YO THE LADY IN THE BACKGROUND--- had me crackin up "let's cut back to the prompt Because it didn't have feelings involved." Reads: "Period pain is exaggerated." Comments: "Yeah I'm glad no one stepped forward for that-" Every single thing this person said was golden

[@CatsAreCute.7]

The way "anti- feminists" would loose the argument if the argument had started with the "DEFINITION" of feminism