Paranoid Protestants | Seventh-day Adventists

[@KnowingBetter]

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[@oliviawolcott8351]

another group really responsible for the state of things are fundumental baptists and fundie evangelicals. you should definitely do one on the IFB and the NIFB.

[@LillyP-xs5qe]

one question for you though, why so many Christians in the USA put this big focus on "Jewish" stuff but never ask the actual Jewish people about our own stuff... I can assure you one thing, a Jewish year never lines up with a gregorian year, Jewish years are either 353-5 or 383-5 days long... we have shorter years but add a month every few years, and the months are set by moon cycles... also the Shabbat is Saturday, Saturday in Hebrew is called Shabbat, it just Jewish calendar was made before the idea of a 24 hours day, so the day switch at sunset, not at six in the evening nor midnight, since hours don't really exist in Jewish calendars. all of this is just scratching the surface.

[@jacobsocknesssucks5277]

You released this on 9/11 on purpose

[@dahanster5578]

You should invite/mention @AdventistOrgChurch to view and respond to your video. Don't give them the luxury of silence.

[@dahanster5578]

Also, Flat Earth had nothing to do with the Bible. The Bible refers to the Earth as a sphere.

[@impermanence4300]

October 22nd IS an important dates, they got the year wrong. October 22nd 2010 was the date Fallout: New Vegas came out.

[@marcuscicero3022]

It's also MY birthday. Which makes that game all the more a favorite.:)

[@justanotheraccounthere2014]

Oct 19?

[@PingMe23]

October 23rd 2077 is the true prophecy.

[@Julia_and_the_City]

And the wasteland was forever changed~

[@impermanence4300]

@@justanotheraccounthere2014 it ws 22nd in the UK

[@hataranneulastr5376]

We did it, ladies and gentlemen! We survived through wars and pandemics specifically to watch this.

[@jjoohhhnn]

tru fax

[@ohiobumass]

Don't speak too soon, there are too many hotspots and potential hotspot in the world that can spillover and don't forget about mpox too

[@sabotage9926]

@@ohiobumass okay paranoid

[@DriveCarToBar]

Humanity has been suffering through the cancer that is religion for thousands of years. We'll get through this too.

[@cattievogelsong96]

That is how i feel! 😂

[@dreadus8125]

Imagine your neighbor dressed up like that crawling around in the grass of his backyard, and you get to record everything.

[@singletona082]

'Hey honey the crazy youtuber guy is army crawling in his yard!'

[@KnowingBetter]

It was like 90+ degrees on the day I was filming that too.

[@ZemanTheMighty]

@@KnowingBetter What is that in Celcius?

[@singletona082]

@@KnowingBetter Dear God that had to have been 'fun.'

[@cookiequeen5430]

​@@ZemanTheMighty over 32

[@pizzapanda8527]

RIP Ellen White, you would’ve loved chatgpt

[@SuperDocstar]

interesting you donlt say that about everyone whom did the same..

[@aftereight7505]

@@SuperDocstar On a video specifically about the person he mentioned???

[@0008loser]

​@@SuperDocstar Don't*, go relearn basic English

[@joshuamajor4862]

​@@SuperDocstar SDA member spotted

[@natm2443]

JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

[@nobettername562]

I have red-green color vision deficiency. I can DEFINITIVELY state that Teal is in fact, light-grey.

[@Nipplator99999999999]

Wait, that wasn't grey...yeah, I'm also colorblind, but really can't say that I had any idea that it wasn't Grey. How could you tell, I thought it was just an inside joke.

[@jonbeck6889]

Samesies

[@salicaguillotines]

Teal is light grey turquoise

[@groovinhooves]

It is known 🤟

[@davidlubega8951]

Ha! 😆

[@inwyrdn3691]

"You knew what you were getting into when you clicked on this video." Yes. Yes I did.

[@littleredpony6868]

Yet somehow we still clicked on it

[@Durandal734]

And now you know better

[@andreamagni8017]

well, I didn't see a little detail. I was convinced that it was 25 min

[@rvdb7363]

It's 10 PM here. I have to work tomorrow ans my alarm clock is set for 6.15 AM. I'm telling myself that I really don't have the time to watch an almost 3 hour video. Yet here I am

[@Busto]

It's KB... How could you not?

[@AttemptedJustice]

“JESUS HASNT PUT HIS SHOES ON YET… I sold my house to pay for this trip and now everyone is going to be late to judgment because of YOU”

[@breawycker]

Jesus does this every time. Not rising until the third day? Bro, I got things to do

[@benniepieters]

​@@breawyckerJesus:"Fine, shove it, I'll take someone else on my trip"

[@lynxk7667]

Perhaps this is why the Romans did him in. They infamously disliked 'laziness'.

[@Pillboxing]

@@lynxk7667 I'm guessing they defined laziness different to the rest of us. Typically, lazy people don't enslave people to labour for them, they just do the labour themselves.

[@LutraLovegood]

@@Pillboxing How are they supposed to learn the value of hard work otherwise? (sarcasm)

[@raincatz4512]

my aunt is SDA and I used to love going to their church as a kid. They come across as nice and somewhat progressive and they never pushed their religion onto me. I used to go to a SDA camp every year, Loved the veggie food and many nature activities . I'm an atheist nowadays but I look back fondly at those experiences,

[@jonbeck6889]

Samsies

[@statutesofthelord]

It is not possible, by definition, for anyone to truly be an Atheist.

[@zakh-g4893]

I also grew up culturally SDA in Australia and when I revisited the church as a young adult (19), they became very hostile anytime something didn’t perfectly line-up with their opinions, they mentioned that Archangel Michael is Jesus, I asked for evidence and they got mad that I questioned it. They stood by that our works meant nothing despite them also stating that we get judged on them in conjunction with our faith.

[@NanciasReactTv]

​@@zakh-g4893 Wait a minute I thought only Jehovah's witness only believes Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel OMG seventh Day Adventist and Jehovah's witness are Connected it make sense now no wonder my friend can relate to my ex Jw beliefs system 😕 😲🙆🏽‍♀️

[@dwerg85]

@@NanciasReactTv I guess you're not that far into the video yet. But yes. They are splinters of the same movement.

[@KarolOfGutovo]

I find it kinda funny when people say they're biblical literalists and study the bible deeply and ignore the "'The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known -- not even the messengers of the heavens -- except my Father only;" bit

[@SireBab]

That's an interesting point! Now these days sda acknowledge the mistake as the date being the start of the account of deeds... Or something. But the og millerinites? Yeah totally ignored that chapter.

[@lucyferos205]

Just because nobody knew at the time of Jesus doesn't mean nobody will ever know. Obviously, everyone would know at the time it happens.

[@edisonlima4647]

​@@lucyferos205 Not really, the Biblical texts literally states that it would happen "as the thief that comes in the night", sudden and with zero notice for anyone.

[@Szriko]

Biblical life hack: Claim that Jesus will return every single day, to prevent the return of Jesus forever.

[@dannylo5875]

Mesoretic texts and Judaism explain things in cycles and biblical calendar years. As well as the book of Enoch. And other prophets of old, including certain sects that kept alive records and stories of what actually happen. Let me explain that it's not Just Adventists. It goes beyond normal Protestant sectarianism.. something that is a blend of highly advanced technologies and science fi. To something way more weird.

[@EzaleaGraves]

I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your integrity in not posting Speampunk KB's video, despite your verbal agreement. It's his work, and he really should make a channel of his own to post it to. I'm sure in the long run he'll appreciate the shoutout more than you posting something ghostwritten by him

[@Serenity_yt]

​@MurderMostFowl there's a lore Recap video if you want to have a look this storyline's been developing for years at this point throughout all religion videos on the channel

[@epistulaexmortuus]

​@@MurderMostFowldont be embarrassed we have waited several years for this video and steam punk KB is a time traveller/future kb from alternative timeline that has been hinting toward it for years lol

[@loveandwater]

​@@epistulaexmortuus Glad I'm not the only one who has been following for years and just love the multi-level lore that KB has created.

[@Chris_winthers]

Speampunk

[@claredriscoll5092]

@@Chris_winthers I know! It's like birb. It's technically incorrect, but it's perfect.

[@nomar5spaulding]

It blows me away that these people are like, "I have exhaustively studied The Bible, and Jesus will return in this month [insert month and math here]."They studied and made an these connection but overlook the bit where Jesus straight up says, "No one but I know when I'll return, and I'm not going to tell, so pay attention cause I'll take you by surprise." It is about as clear as anything in the Bible gets, and there are a bunch of other illustrations of how Christians are not going to know. All that stuff about the tarrying bridegroom is telling believers to be ready and follow Christ at all times, because no one will know when the return will happen, so all you can do is wait and follow.

[@Syndie77-gk4xk]

Hello, former Adventist here. Yes, Adventists today generally interpret that passage of Matthew 24 to mean what you said. No one will know when Jesus is coming down to the hour, and anyone who claims to know is likely a heretic. Adventists just believe the end times are vaguely soon and that there are some things that will happen that will make the fact that the end times are coming clear to believers, albeit not down to the hour. Adventists believe that before the Second Coming, the United States will become a theocracy and dominate the world which...just might happen after all. KB will probably get into investigative judgment and the remnant church and all that. I just started the video.

[@nomar5spaulding]

@Syndie77-gk4xk Yeah I was raised in an evangelical household. My dad has basically been kicked out of the church for not being a devoted follower of the One True God (Donald J. Trump) and for actually advising Christians to pay attention to a Jesus. The idea of "vaguely soon" like you said pretty well holds with modern evangelicals too, but I wasn't making that comment in reference to what groups think now. I was referencing how several groups over time keep trying to do a thing that Jesus told them like 50 times not to do because it can't be done, and if they had studied the Bible as deeply as they claim, they'd obviously understand the futility of their predictions.

[@dannylo5875]

It could in theory become one because the whole state has been a collection of quasi spiritual Elites and also a military/secret/special state/ modeled on a similar empire to that of the British which had echos of past Roman/Greek ideas. ​@@Syndie77-gk4xk

[@dannylo5875]

When do you think the Bride groom would come around. This is based on Jewish lore. Why don't you have information to understand the context and background information...so you know the Hour the Groom would come and the tradition behind it!?

[@dannylo5875]

​@@nomar5spauldingJesus is a vague master. But his way of hunting is speaking so obviously that it's no longer like REALLY hidden. Jewish religious knowledge was based in part on a bunch of cosmic or something related to stars. And their positions. It's part of their culture... ..

[@Sminimal]

People were bored as FUCK in the past.

[@Julian.speaks]

That, and ridden with psychosis 😭

[@SynGirl32]

The world got so much better once there was more than one book to read.

[@webmatrix100]

They just believed stupid things , actually not much changed since then

[@truthingrace3594]

It's the same or probably worse now. The biggest difference is it's just plastered all over the media instead being confined to local areas

[@Julian.speaks]

@ it’s the same but it’s getting worse, so so much worse 😭😭😭

[@AgmaSchwa]

It took one “Day” (1000 years) to get here but it’s totally worth it

[@syro33]

huh, wasnt expecting to see ŋə in this comment section, cool :)

[@2stral]

agma!?

[@NotevenTony]

Nguh way dude

[@FernandoGonzalez-hu3id]

now we just need to wait 8 more years for the director's cut

[@tonydai782]

Look everyone, it's the funny conlang guy!

[@babshsock7498]

Alex jones was really looking 37 at 19

[@muffin.does1]

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[@maxmetodiev641]

Technically he was 23 in the video but he still looks really old

[@justchilling704]

Lmfao!

[@williamjameslehy1341]

37 is a very charitable estimate. I was still getting carded for R-rated movies at 37.

[@TheMysteryDriver]

That's cause he's actually Bill Hicks

[@malamindulo]

I heard the description of Tell The World, thought "man, I can't imagine a more boring movie than a 2-and-a-half hour long film about Seventh Day Adventism" and held that thought for 5 seconds before the irony kicked in.

[@CommieHunter7]

Yes but this one is far more self aware

[@malamindulo]

@@CommieHunter7 Oh it wasn't a criticism. It was just a funny moment. I thought "who'd want to watch a 2.5 hour movie about the origins of Seventh-day Adventism" while watching a 3 hour video essay about the origins of Seventh-day Adventism. This video is about the various controversies and intricacies of the church, which is far more interesting, whereas the film is a fluff piece that is about as bland as their diet.

[@deathracoffee]

I laughed out loud at that

[@thoughtsofelizabeth]

I did, too.

[@azuregriffin1116]

well, to be fair, this isn't a film :p

[@treym2k]

I was born into the SDA church and went through the SDA education system up to the university level. But I learned more about the church in this video then living that experience, which is kind of crazy. Great video!

[@singingandy]

You are not alone. I have learnt more deconstructing from Adventism than I did in it. I'm in a constant state of deja vu "Oh, yeh, that's what they meant.

[@treym2k]

@@singingandy For sure!

[@saramendez7754]

Hi! Same here, I’m actually surprised more adventists don’t research what they believe in. I was also shocked to learn so much they never covered in church and classes. I sent this video to my brother (currently getting his theology masters at Andrew’s) and I am looking forward to hearing his point of view.

[@SuperDocstar]

your parents didn't do a good job of explainuing you what the church was founded on.

[@treym2k]

@SuperDocstar sure, I guess that's a fairly obvious observation. At the same time when they themselves only know what their parents and the church told them it's hard to blame them over the church.

[@williamsledge3151]

1:54 I like the implication that KB doesn't have a bed, he just sleeps on the couch. Truly a man devoted to his work

[@Trainer_Ruffles]

And he also sleeps with a kb Morgan plush

[@nottarealguy3954]

A man of the people

[@danielmenzies3255]

Or maybe he can't afford a bed

[@shotelco]

Yet, I just noticed he has a wedding ring on ... and depending on just how long he's been married ... he _Does_ sleep on the couch.

[@theantithesis1]

@@shotelco We like sleeping on the couch. It's like camping.

[@Pikeya]

My grandfather died yesterday and he was a life long Seventh Day Adventist. I wasn't close to him so I was not expecting this video to help me deal with his loss. Mostly because he'd be mad I'm watching this this.

[@AndrewMellor-darkphoton]

it okay

[@eacalvert]

Sending you positive vibes friend

[@Pikeya]

@@eacalvert thank you

[@slohne]

I'm so sorry that you lost your grandfather. I am a somewhat rebel SDA. I find this video educational and respectful. We need to be able to recognize both the truths AND the errors. I hope this video may give you some insight to your grandfather and his heritage. I'm learning to eat the meat and spit out the bones.

[@Pikeya]

@@slohne thank you

[@SpartanNat]

IT IS HERE FOR THE COMMONERS! HUZZAH! Congrats KB on what is literally the culmination of years of work… and internal lore to boot.

[@singletona082]

Get yer popcorn lads! We in for a ride!

[@swayback7375]

@@singletona082how do you get away with eating popcorn at work?

[@singletona082]

@@swayback7375 I'm a full time caregiver for special needs siblings. Amongst the MANY downsides of working with and for family due to being unable to drive? that is a sortof upside. Yay?

[@andrastuba3085]

As an ex Jehovah's witness, it is fascinating to see the origins of my cult. Many of their beliefs are already found in the 19th century Millerite movement.

[@lainiwakura1776]

But that was a different video...

[@andrastuba3085]

@@lainiwakura1776 I know, I have seen that one too, but the founder of the JWs used to like the teachings of the Millerites, so there are many similarities there

[@intellectually_lazy]

the origin of your cult and this one is the great disappointment, just a few miles down the street from where i sit

[@Zalmoxis0621]

@@andrastuba3085 yeah, as an exSDA, I was surprised at the similarities in lifestyle restrictions & control when watching the JW video.

[@1daycloser2home93]

Thats because the "founder" of Jws was a part of Sda but branched out.

[@williamjameslehy1341]

Alex Jonestown was a literal teenager and already looked and sounded like he was in his 50s.

[@warlordofbritannia]

Alex Jonestown is the cursest name

[@eldonad]

He aged pretty well then !

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@eldonad Shouldn’t it be that he already aged poorly?

[@eldonad]

​@@warlordofbritanniaI mean, to be petty (which does seem to be on topic), you usually describe the evolution of children as growing rather than aging. Generally when people evaluate the "aging" of a person they compare them to their early adulthood, and in that regard Jones has evolved remarkably little, hence he has aged well. Feel free to invoke holy scriptures such as a dictionary though, maybe I have a wrong idea of the definition of the word...

[@eldonad]

​@@warlordofbritanniaand further counterpoint, maybe he never looked better than this to begin with

[@ThorDog16]

It’s funny how apocalyptic predictions always happen within the lifespan of most of the believers. It’s never “I predict the world will end in 2253. So ya’ll better tell your grand kids to prepare.”

[@King_Minos64]

That’s because there is nothing to spur people into fervor in something that won’t affect them in their lifetime. “Oh the world is gonna go boom in a century. Huh okay.” compared to “Holy shit the world is gonna end in five minutes?!? Fuck fuck fuck I need to prepare.” It’s all about inducing a sense of urgency.

[@AJNpa80]

If only i had no conscience and could keep a straight face. Don't give em any ideas.

[@LetsTalkAboutPrepping]

​@@King_Minos64thats.....yep. enjoy your dopamine.

[@_Palesa_M]

😂😂😂 As one who grew up in an Adventist home, I always tell my parents Jesus isn't coming in my generation so I’m good

[@intellectually_lazy]

yes, yes, very droll

[@carglenn123]

If I had a nickel for every time a new religion formed in America in the 1800s with a venerated prophet-like woman heading it who suffered massive brain trauma in her childhood, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happed twice

[@musicobsessive123]

i pass by the birthplace of mary baker eddy every day on my way to work and its always bizarre to see the signs for it

[@reillycurran8508]

Tbf, less strange than the 1800th century religion started by a woman who claimed to be pregnant with Jesus after sleeping with the holy spirit.

[@dannylo5875]

@@musicobsessive123 Both only got their knowledge by some form of alien alchemy or "Divine" science...no explanation at all.

[@Flobyby]

Oh so that's what it is, I was wondering if this was some crossover from previous episodes because I didn't remember Baker's name.

[@marjae2767]

Harriett Tubman also had a head injury and visions. But no new religion.

[@soyevquirsefron990]

There’s a 1986 Steven King story that centers around the fictional fact that Waco Texas is the most peaceful spot on earth, and all human violence increases out from there. Man, did that age poorly. When I first read this decades after the Waco massacre, I thought King was just catastrophically unlucky in picking a random small town. Now I wonder if he picked Waco because of the 7th Dayers, who weren’t openly violent at that point. “The end of the whole mess” is the title

[@anonymousyoutuber1405]

Tommy Tellerico wrote all of those visions. His mother is very proud.

[@lucyferos205]

The first American to work on Sonic, whose sound design was used as a reference to create all of Metroid: Prime around?

[@anonymousyoutuber1405]

@@lucyferos205 Yeah, he was also on an episode of Cribs!

[@EthanMitch]

"Miyamoto always loved my work and had always been wanting to work with me" - Ellen G White

[@randomjunkohyeah1]

I sincerely hope this meme is still going in 30 years

[@hope2764]

It will be, and it will be a Guinness World record😊

[@TorvusVae]

One teensy little nitpick, Constantine did not make Christianity the official religion of the Roman empire, that's a common misconception. He legalized the practice, but it wasn't made the state religion until 380 under Theodosius I.

[@biohazardously]

this may be a bit of a stupid question, but Constantine was involved in some way with The Council of Nicea, right? Was Theodosius I also involved? I had always thought that The Council of Nicea and Christianity becoming the state religion co-occurred. (apologies if this is rude!! it's a genuine curiostiy question, Im just not having an easy time wording it)

[@TorvusVae]

@@biohazardously Not rude at all, and another common misconception thanks to Dan Brown and the Da Vinci Code. The council of Nicea (ad 325) happened in order to resolve a conflict between the two main branches of christianity at the time, but it did not make christianity the state religion or decide the canon of the bible. Constantine actually continued to allow and sanction pagan worship throughout his entire reign, and one of his successors, Julian (sometimes known as Julian the Apostate) even tried to promote paganism after christianity had become mainstream, but it wasn't until Theodosius that the empire was officially christian.

[@jeffreygao3956]

@@TorvusVae Wow, I can't believe that I ever used to like Da Vinci Code! Dan Brown is a load of rubbish!

[@TorvusVae]

@@jeffreygao3956 It's kind of a fun story, but the problem is that way too many people took Dan Brown's bogus historical claims seriously. His entire premise is based on a French hoax from the 1960's. This one French guy, Pierre Plantard, wanted to fabricate for himself a claim to the French monarchy, so he made up this secret society. Then some American authors interviewed him and connected one too many dots and claimed he was descended from Jesus, which Plantard himself was like whoaaa now, that's blasphemy. I encourage anyone who wants to know more to google the book Holy Blood Holy Grail

[@essexclass8168]

@@biohazardously the guy above already answered all your questions well. I would just like to add that it is a (likely completely false) legend that Saint Nicholas, aka Santa Claus (sorta), clocked or slapped an Arian priest (the other major Christian Sect) in the council of Nicea. Also, Theodosious I wasn't involved as the council had concluded 22 years before he was born.

[@silverandexact]

"Inspired by the unpublished work of Steampunk KB ... That ought to cover it, right?" This is even funnier knowing that this becomes a video about plagiarism. 😂

[@wildestoninijunior5371]

As a former adventist, with a theology degree from one of their colleges, I have to say that this video opened my eyes to some aspects of the SDA church that I never thought about before. I abandoned the church after 6 years of doubt and fear , but eventually simply could not keep bowing down to the church and its leaders. During the theological seminary I heard and seen some things that only now I realize were absurd and completely unjustifiable. What you said about adventists believing they are THE one and only church of Christ is very much true. Now that I no longer participate in the SDA church, I am slowing creating a new identity that does not rely on such double sided doctrine. Thank you for the great video (as always)!

[@CrossroadToCountry]

So now you're closer to Jesus than before?

[@khelian613]

Knowing Better is now officially the Weird Protestant Churches Pokédex

[@agsweet708]

😂😂😂😂

[@AndyMcKeeFanForLife]

Knowing Better has defeated the Elite Four! But who is the Champion that waits in the shadows for his challenge...?

[@animaniacsrule]

Unfortunately they’re not weird, they’re normal

[@Jerdifier]

@@AndyMcKeeFanForLifeDepending on who you ask, probably either Evangelicalism or Catholicism

[@klusey5244]

​@@JerdifierBased on KB's past videos, it would be Evangelists. He's mentioned them before, has drawn relevance to how they affect modern American politics, and has more relevant history in the US To do a video on Catholicism would have essentially nothing to do with the US, and the founders wouldn't be as relatable as Americans in the 1700s and 1800s.

[@alternativev432]

Fun fact: In German, teal is blaugrün literally meaning bluegreen. Guess we solved that debate quite easily

[@Wendy_O._Koopa]

Cyan (light blue) is halfway between dark blue (indigo) and green, and teal is dark cyan. _So yes._

[@williamhutton1752]

But then why isn’t it grünblau huh?????22?2?2?!2

[@2lefThumbs]

Beat me to it ​@@williamhutton1752😂

[@stevenhuntley8706]

"what do you mean the color for water can mean blue or green" "...have you seen water? It is either blue or green." Using green loosely obvs lol Edit:not referencing bluegreen, I think the color was Glas but that could be another one entirely. Too lazy to look it up rn.

[@Dong_Harvey]

Turquoise enters the chat

[@Wolfboy607]

3 ads played throughout this video. Compare to most 20 minute videos, which have an ad every 5 minutes. Same number of ads, 9x the runtime. I respect this. Thank you. And thank you to all patrons and supporters who make this possible.

[@Darticus42]

IIRC anything over 20 minutes and many large creators get to choose how many and where the ad breaks go So the ~20 min videos is KZbin controlled and injected ads, KB's is likely intentional. And yeah, good it's not every section break 😂😂😂

[@HavocPrime8989]

@@Darticus42 I unfortunately got the "every section break" ad bombardment...

[@cimachu]

I’ve been wondering why you’ve been so inactive this year, and this fully explains it. Phenomenal production, I had to jump around and rewind a bunch of times just to fully appreciate all of the little details in this video. Thanks for being awesome and having integrity!

[@davitdavid7165]

Making hbomb read the plagarism accusations. This is kino

[@kimberlybega8271]

I thought that was him!

[@leosklein2573]

Absolute cinema

[@loucam08]

1:57:56 for those looking

[@TecHippy]

Hey, weird, "the first dissapointment" is what my parents call me

[@benjaminf8526]

At least you're not as bad as "the great disappointment" that came after you 😘

[@levitateme]

@@benjaminf8526 that was good! lol

[@davidplayzyt3338]

@@benjaminf8526 The great dissapointment was just him upon reaching adulthood.

[@vadinandez]

😂

[@Ariamaki]

The video that got me to immediately buy a copy of The White Lie, because it was such a devastating flex back in the day and remains incredible. "Oh your writing was original? Let's just put together an entire side-by-side of it with contemporary works and see how that turns out for you..."

[@silverandexact]

I love how KB refers to the book as an "Hbomberguy-level" plagiarism analysis 😂

[@danpike7980]

"Everyone knew the Adventists were behind Corn Flakes." That made me literally laugh out loud. But seriously, the Seventh Day Adventists have a lot going for them. I'm not SDA myself, but I have been blessed as a Christian by some of their writings on natural health and the value of creation.

[@Shuvinile]

Oh boy… my first girlfriend was a Seventh Day Adventist and I have been unknowingly waiting on this video ever since

[@Punkfilms4605]

As an Ex-Seventh Day Adventist. Thank you for making this video! Crazy that a KZbinr has to break down the history accurately and not distorted lies that I grew up hearing when I used to be involved in the church.

[@dylangount7349]

Same! I never realized how crazy some of the stuff they said was until I got older. I still vividly remember hearing about having to "run to the hills" in the end time.

[@Punkfilms4605]

@@dylangount7349 Same I remember hearing that so much as a kid and it still thrives today, I left back in 2018. And I cut contact with some people but some people I know are still saying it's the end times, and that the wars going on are signs. Like c'mon it's 2024. No way in anytime will anything happen in our lifetime.

[@oliviawolcott8351]

ah, miller..... the man who spawned many cults.

[@spoddie]

@@dylangount7349 Yeah exactly, but when you live in Australia there aren't really hills that you can run to.

[@crismi144]

you have been deceived and are a a deceiver 🤦‍♂

[@lunarstain7545]

97 minutes in, title sequence I think this has to be a record for longest stealth intro ever LOLOLOL

[@bethaltair812]

This is one gag I hope never dies...when we make contact with aliens I fully expect peace talks to go half way then "we have been monitoring your communications...and this has been a green screen all along and this is a video about plagiarism. Nak Nak Nak. Pew pew"

[@intellectually_lazy]

oof! so glad i didn't watch this

[@schedar_cassiopeia]

@@intellectually_lazythe prior 97 minutes are basically explaining the SDA, their origins, etc 😭 it’s not like he was dragging it out and repeating the same info. the video in its entirety is extremely interesting. the intro is only for the plagiarism and takedown segment

[@intellectually_lazy]

@@schedar_cassiopeia nothing to do with the intro. i hate the new format knowing better switched to a couple years back, and btw, if you wanna know more about 7th day adventists, there's the book, white lies

[@intellectually_lazy]

@@schedar_cassiopeia i don't like the character acting spiel. i don't like him expousing these views fully in character. i don't like that he's not clear this is parody. maybe i'm underestimating my fellow humans, but i don't like it because i think he will convert some people. he should know better!

[@WolfA4]

Seventh day Adventist: The church of Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V

[@weshipitjamaica4354]

Cut and paste. I like it

[@NotJustBikes]

I enjoyed this video, as always, but I particularly enjoyed the hbomberguy wallpaper.

[@valerkand9270]

How unexpected to see you here sir

[@skovlanpeoplesrepublic]

a surprise for sure, but a welcome one. Pretty sure a collab between you, adam something and KB on 15 minute cities SDA-born conspiracy theories is a possibility.

[@SamRMoyer]

@@valerkand9270 they are both on Nebula and so I assume there’s some sort of chat group for Nebula creators.

[@PotsAndPans125]

I’m really sorry for your losses. Atlas and Peabody were lovely additions to your videos and excellent representatives for all small mammals. It was clear how loved they were ❤

[@aldermanh]

I second this! Seeing their cameos always made me smile. 🩵

[@BeerPatio]

The nod to Hbomberguy exposé meta, wonderful. Excited to watch to the end!

[@st.anselmsfire3547]

Ellen White was such an avid plagiarist that James Somerton sued her for copyright infringement.

[@gjits5307]

Video hasn't even been up a whole day and Ellen G. White already deleted her KZbin channel

[@kaydenpat]

Quite a feat for a woman who died in 1915.

[@RichardNDoper]

Woke up from her soul sleep just to delete her account

[@kariannstickle2708]

Poor Auntie Ellen lmaooooo

[@Zephyrs]

Fun fact: David Koresh and Davy Crockett both shared a birthday, August 17th, and both died via a siege in central Texas

[@EthanMitch]

And both were losers

[@IneptRat]

remember the alamo 😞😞

[@AN_APPEAL_2_HEAVEN]

​@@IneptRat the Alamo was fought for slavery. Texas is the only state to have fought for slavery twice.

[@L3243-r3z]

⁠@@AN_APPEAL_2_HEAVENThe battle at the Alamo was one of several used to gain Independence from Mexico.

[@IneptRat]

@@AN_APPEAL_2_HEAVEN hey now, in my texas history class we did not learn jack shit abt why we fought mexico except that we wanted independance bc…. :) god i love texas education

[@funnycat9962]

The G in Ellen G. White stands for “Games Somerton”

[@EzaleaGraves]

My favorite comment so far

[@7MGN-RN]

😏😏😏😏!!!!! No

[@nightfox802]

Only downside to watching KB religion videos and now all my KZbin ads are trying to save my soul

[@dosmastrify]

I started getting "friendly atheist" What did we do different?!

[@LutraLovegood]

@@dosmastrify A/B testing

[@coda-n6u]

Ah my favorite citation technique: "it is known"

[@RickSolid1]

The religious version of “trust me bro”

[@garth4712]

Pretty common phrase in academic writing actually, at least in my field (theoretical physics). Of course it actually has to be, y'know, known...

[@coda-n6u]

@@garth4712 Interesting; I guess it's used when citing common knowledge

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@coda-n6u it comes up a lot in maths too, you don't go around citing every single proof that eg 1+1, there's plenty of accepted axioms. But that has led to a couple of cases in physics or chemistry where one claim from one paper is cited-directly enough times that it "becomes known", even though it's not actually been replicated. Those are kind of rare though. But of course they're also by definition unknown-unknowns until they are uncovered, so... there's potentially more out there. (But that's just a small subset of the much larger "crisis of replicability" that is currently ongoing in all scientific research, which is a whole other topic.)

[@coda-n6u]

@@kaitlyn__L It’s interesting! Mostly a trade off between the effort of citation and how much it impedes reading by a well educated reader, versus how helpful it actually is.

[@ameliaeno3266]

Went to an SDA k-12 school, and am currently in an SDA university. Not fun, 0 out of 10 stars do not recommend it (the anxiety disorder I have from it would also not recommend it). My entire family is Adventist, and I was raised that way. I love them dearly, and am grateful for some of the people I've met in the Adventist community.... but it's brain-numbing. I'm currently required to take a certain number of religion credit hours to graduate, and because it's a tiny little Christian university, transferring may mean I graduate years later than just sticking it out. I can confirm this video's accuracy. While there are some fun little quirks not mentioned in this video, it's such a relief to watch a video so honest and factual. I feel a little trapped and alone in my situation, but I find sanity in videos like this. Thank you for this 3-hour video, it was a lovely distraction from the current "Christian Beliefs" homework I'm putting off. Thank you, you have no idea how much I needed this :).

[@sharonguerra7440]

I attended an SDA college many years ago, and it wasn't horrible-but mostly because I'd been in academy, and there was more freedom, such as it was, at the college. The worst class I remember being required to take was "A Christian and His Music" and it was as awful as it sounds. The Desire of Ages was the text for our Life and Teachings of Jesus course. I wish you the best, and hope your time there speeds by. I am no longer sda, but most of my friends and family are. There is a life beyond, and it is good.

[@austinbaccus]

You had to take classes in college you didn't want to take in order to graduate?

[@ameliaeno3266]

​@sharonguerra7440 thank you for this ❤

[@ameliaeno3266]

​@austinbaccus there's a certain number of religion courses that have no relivancy to my degree, but are required. Like generals you have to take at every university, except some of mine are just studying Ellen White 😅

[@austinbaccus]

@@ameliaeno3266 I see. That's dumb. I had a similar experience in computer science. Right before I graduated, I counted all the classes that actually had you writing code, and it was something like 40% of the total courses. I feel for ya. Irrelevant classes are a waste of time and money.

[@Aristomache83]

The subtle reference to the Hbomb Plagiarism video is *chefs kiss*

[@xXFlameHaze92Xx]

Subtle until Hbomb starts talking

[@crash.override]

And the even more subtle JJ McCullough canon reference near the end (w/ Mario SFX).

[@TheOneWh0Knocks]

Would you mind explaining?

[@Desaki65]

KB said the thing! And that wallpaper is hilariously on point. 🤘🏾💗

[@Aristomache83]

@sytonicflux Hbombs plagiarism video came out after KB’s last video, so the little comment about using other people’s work, and the ‘Based on the unpublished work, sign in the intro are referencing that Drama. Hbomb has been doing long ass videos for a few years mow. The dues Ex video was over 3 hours long

[@Strong-man]

Having watched many of your videos and enjoyed them, I often think this must be a person of faith then I think well maybe he isn’t. You describe the topics throughly yet with respect. That I can’t tell your personal faith beliefs is a testament to your skill as a researcher and writer. Keep up the good work. 🎉

[@SparrowFae]

Aw. Sad to hear about Atlas and Peabody. We also lost one of our oldest ferrets just last week. They're here for a good time but not a long time, but it's still always rough to say goodbye.

Could relate too since my cat died earlier this year. When someone dies you can't believe so much that reality doesn't feel real.

[@MrsSurrealista]

Being exposed to this church at 7 gave me a lifelong anxiety disorder. I got baptized out of fear. Took me years to come to terms with my faith and deal through spiritual issues. It was indoctrination, fully. All this because I attended an Adventist school. My family weren’t even involved.

[@Syndie77-gk4xk]

Former Adventist here - while the Church does not set a minimum age for baptism, baptism involved a course of study not usually done until middle school. You being baptized at 7 seems like you had a sketchy pastor.

[@essexclass8168]

​​@@Syndie77-gk4xkactive SD Adventist here, I grew up in an Adventist school with an Adventist family and I was only baptized by 23 after making my mind. Most children that have grown up in the church get baptized in their mid teens in most Churches I've been to. It sounds like OP had a very sketchy school but that's not surprising considering how fractured the church actually is within.

[@violet7773]

​​@@Syndie77-gk4xk they don't say they were baptised at 7. They were encountered the church at 7 and then baptised (probably at a later date) "out of fear".

[@LordDirus007]

Yeah Childhood Baptism is not an SDA practice. You have to be an Adult and make the decision yourself. Also out of fear of what exactly? When I was baptized it was a beautiful experience. They made me feel like Family. They never Judged me, or made me feel bad. They were very friendly, kind, and caring. A couple of people in the Church were sort of toxic but the vast majority of people who attend my SDA Church are awesome. My Pastor is a big history buff, has long hair and glasses. Him and his wife are wonderful. I guess my point. Don't paint all SDA with the same brush. There are some Good Churches and Bad Churches in the same denomination.

[@MrsSurrealista]

@@LordDirus007 happy you had a good experience. In school they all took us to church daily and basically repeated the discourse that Christ is coming, the rapture will happen at any time and anybody not baptized will not get into heaven, basically. Also I can’t exactly recall at what age I got baptized, but I started school there at 7. Maybe at 9? I was def in middle school when it happened.

[@ganymedewithout]

i literally walked past a 7DA church this morning and thought "i wonder when KB will finally make that video"

[@jamesalfredburchiii4599]

Woah! You’re telling me the people who said the world was gonna end in 1843 and 1844 and 1852 and 1853 and 1879 and 1900 and 1914 and 1918 and 1925 and 1975 and 2000 and 2011 and 2012 were NOT divinely inspired? Whhaaaaat??

[@becka_tics5166]

I was raised SDA. It seems like every few years, an official branch of the church “discovers” her plagiarism seemingly for the first time and then it is swept under the rug and they act surprised when the issue pops back up later. I regret ever giving 10% of each pay check to the church…

[@americanswan]

I am a lifelong Adventist. I will be attending church next Sabbath. I discovered The White Lie a few years ago. Walter Rea was so upset at the GC for the EGW coverup. Adventist need to come to grips with itself. EGW can't be put on a pedestal anymore. The truth should have been made known before 1919.

[@lilygirllisa]

@@americanswan what's the point of following the religion if the main lady is a liar

[@americanswan]

@lilygirllisa That is a very good question. Many people have to answer it. Many will leave the more this is known for sure. This is the predictable consequence of the leaderships cover-up. I am not a pastor or church employee. As a Christian, I focus on the Bible and accepting Christ into my life. I don't care what the church leadership says or declares. As a firm Protestant, I don't have a go between between me and my Savior. My spiritual life is mine and mine alone. What I'm trying to say is that I don't care about church leadership or their opinions or failures. Like the video said, Adventist are pretty middle of the road Christians who just keep Saturday. I am comfortable with being a Christian and worshipping on Saturday. I can re-evaluate the unique Adventist teachings. I want to look into the Adventist end time ideas again, and I already have different views on that investigative judgment thing. The "plagerist" also copied some interesting stuff, and I can evaluate that material for myself and determine if I agree or not. Again, I knew about this plagiarism thing a while back and have been re-evaluating my position for some time.

[@lettuceman9439]

@@lilygirllisa Christianity in many of its forms have a built-in decentralized structure within every Denomination, Its a Universalist and missionary faith how it impact a culture and community will always be different. SDA and JWs is very different in other Countries and most disregard their modern prophets and by nature Christianity is extremely personal and have a tendency to separate itself from hierarchical structures in isolation. SDA in the Philippines and Mexico barely talks about White and only follows the core beliefs within its theology

[@becka_tics5166]

@@americanswan My sister falls into this grey area as well and has called herself Advent-ish before! I fully support you going to church and just deconstructing some of the Adventist doctrines. People sometimes forget that church does provide community and support for some of its members even if you’re not fully aligned with the church’s teachings. Most people, in fact, who have thought about the church doctrines and are familiar with some of the church’s cover ups do have at least one belief that does not align with the 28 fundamental beliefs

[@TesttheProphet]

Examples of Ellen White’s plagiarism can be found on my channel. I use original 19th century books in my comparisons.

[@KnowingBetter]

@TesttheProphet helped to fact check this video in its final stages. Big thanks!

[@Tomf-tz4pd]

@@KnowingBetter Respectfully, you both don’t understand how prophetic inspiration works for you to call what Ellen white did plagiarism or deception.

[@KyrosX27]

@@Tomf-tz4pd she copied text from other people and publications - that's literally what they tell you not to do in college when you're writing a paper. either you quote it directly or paraphrase it but either way you need to include your sources. college must be really strict on prophets since you can get expelled for having 'prophetic inspiration' lol

[@aftereight7505]

@@Tomf-tz4pd Explain it

[@kelvinsomnia]

⁠@@Tomf-tz4pdIt wasn’t just prophecies, though. She plagiarized parts of her personal journal.

[@baileyayyy5085]

"I dont know how many of you noticed this but the same person delivers your mail every day" *cries in former usps driver*

[@roofdogblues7400]

Nope. They get vacations.

[@TheAechBomb]

​@@roofdogblues7400do they, actually?

[@roofdogblues7400]

@@TheAechBomb Yes. They have pretty good benefits, and get 13 - 26 days of annual leave depending on how long they have worked.

[@breawycker]

Thank you for your service

[@azuregriffin1116]

@@roofdogblues7400that is still kind of pitiful. In the UK you get 28 minimum for a standard full time job

[@1petwilson]

Thank you so much for this video, as a proud Seventh Day Adventist this video solidified my faith even more (even though there were multiple errors). Any critique opens the door for more diligent studies on each topic.

[@Xayver1082]

Youre the only content creator that i will willingly sit down and watch a 2hr+ video

[@KnowingBetter]

... how about willingly join the Patreon? 🥺

[@n00dle_king]

Big props to the voice actors. They capture that historic journal/letter vibe perfectly.

[@Zestrayswede]

I am a man of 23, have been interested in history all my life, and I just learned the "year 0" does not exist

[@DiamondKingStudios]

I never knew the Romans for using the number zero a lot. The first century before Christ began on January 1, 100 BC and ended on December 31, 1 BC. This was followed by the first century of our Lord (AD is _Anno Domini_ which means basically what I just said in Latin) between January 1 of the first year and December 31 of the one hundredth. Some guy came up with the whole BC/AD system in the sixth century and we’ve stuck with it since

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@DiamondKingStudios Even BCE and CE are just a cosmetic change

[@DiamondKingStudios]

@@warlordofbritannia Which is why I don’t even bother using them and just stay with BC and AD

[@Mach7RadioIntercepts]

You would have loved the Khmer Rouge.

[@ToyInsanity]

It is known.

[@jonbeck6889]

Bro, I've wondered where your content went. Good stuff. I'm a secular humanist, but I was raised Adventist and graduated from an Adventist high-school. I've heard some of this but none of it presented this way.

[@vulpes7079]

Same here!

[@hiltibrant1976]

What I just witnessed was a documentary about Olympic-level performances in mental gymnastics :D

[@immxmax]

As former fundie-flavoured SDA, I unfortunately must tell you you only got a peak at the junior division - some of the explanations I was given to explain contradictions sometimes existed to explain contradictions created by the explanation for *another* contradiction. Seventh Day Adventists tend to be more into reading the lesser cared about parts of the Bible (exhibit A: the Levitical law against same-sex marriage.) *But* they'll have *some* explanation for why the ban on mixed fabric clothing, sowing two types of seed in one field, or not "rounding off the hair on your temples, or mar the edges of your beard" in the *next chapter* actually doesn't apply anymore. It honestly can get pretty wild. And mentally exhausting. It gets so close to acknowledging many of the contradictory parts of the Bible, just to force you to play the mental gymnastics to be able to believe that the Bible is an divinely inerrant text for another day.

[@thunderspark1536]

​@@immxmax Honestly I'm not surprised. When the Bible literally contradicts itself numerous times (Jesus somehow telling his people to go somewhere in Matthew and in Mark saying to NOT go there) you kinda have to bend yourself in knots to explain it

[@terminallyonline5296]

Hbomberguy being a guest voice in this is amazing. Also OMG RIP Atlas and Peabody!!!

[@mellocelo7083]

Dude... I was raised adventists. My parents are leaders and now I work for the church in a nonreligious role. You are so brilliant. This video really widened my perspective. Much love and please continue educating us❤.

[@ksmith4135]

Between Dan Olson, Knowing Better, and Sarcasmitron, we are getting a truly comprehensive theory of American Conspiracism

[@AndyMcKeeFanForLife]

Gonna give shout outs to the boys Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes of Knowledge Fight as well. If you want to dive deep into the insanity of Alex Jones and his adjacent conspiracy wackjobs there's no two better guys for it.

[@TheGibbie]

Is there a video or channel for them?

[@skkrrrttt]

​@@TheGibbie they've got a channel for mostly offtopic stuff but mostly audio format on Spotify or any podcast platform

[@MathMasterism]

Got give a shout out to the channel Wendigoon as well. The guy covers a lot of conspiracy myths and various (often far crazier) “true” conspiracies. He’s specifically covered Waco and Ruby Ridge from “devil’s advocate” perspective. He does a good job of humanizing the ATF’s victims while stopping short of sympathizing with them. Real wholesome guy.

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@MathMasterism You think those are devil's advocate perspectives? I don't think he was, considering he practices his Second Amendment rights, but we'll never know, will we? He did a great job villainizing the ATF, as if they needed any help.

[@kasrakhatir]

2:49:43 As a Muslim I seriously encourage you to make the video about it. You will be surprised how contemporary geopolitics, bad border/nationalism projects and Opioids basically shaped what modern Islamism is today.

[@janlaan9602]

Wait that artifact was about Islam?

[@exciton9861]

​@@janlaan9602 No. September 2001. Ring any bells?

[@pr0ntab]

Opioids?!?! Man that's crazy now I need to know more...

[@stella-vu8vh]

@@pr0ntabbro the entire iraq and afghani wars were over opioid poppy cultivation and product and oil, how else do you think pfizer got the raw product to make all the oxy they pushed?

[@stella-vu8vh]

@@pr0ntabmultiple soldiers have reports of guarding and shipping poppy fields, from the early 90s to the late 2010s

[@vu1641]

You commented about not knowing why women are considered churches in prophecy. I’m not entirely sure if this is why but in Ephesians Paul refers to the church as the bride of Christ. It is probably an extension of this metaphor.

[@DiamondKingStudios]

I hear it a lot as a Catholic myself, and he brings up the metaphor later in the video.

[@joemency2242]

A woman being a symbol for gods chosen people has been a thing since the old testament prophets.

[@carydorse705]

Another factor may be the song of songs. Since it can be very weird to justify why there's an entire book where god doesnt really get mentioned and it's just about 2 people singing about how hot they're for another it often gets interpreted as being a metaphor for christ and the church.

[@Epidian]

Fun fact Adventism is very popular in Madagascar. You're really just either a Catholic or an Adventist. Very few Muslims there even though it's very popular on the Mainland opposite and the Comoros.

[@absolutelypositivelyme]

"It is known" hits the same as "This is the way"

[@alexlewis5365]

And also, "And so it came to pass", in mormonism.

[@amFlea1]

It's also a Game of Thrones reference

[@thunderspark1536]

Do u know de wey?

[@nabrzhunter]

As you mention later, the parallel between woman and church comes from the analogy of the church being the “bride of Christ.” It’s in Paul’s letters. There are also several wedding parables, and references to God’s chosen people in the Old Testament in the feminine.

[@GlyphWolf]

"This wacky thing called 'Communion'. Maybe you've heard of it? We do it every once in a while, as much as FOUR TIMES a year!!" Me, a Catholic: "Uh... Huh."

[@MrNagant007]

Not finished yet but good stuff. As a non practicing SDA, lot of good small details I am learning. What I have noticed in the church, Ellen White isn't really talked or mentioned much. If all you do is go to regular service or their k-12 schools, she is largely absent. You know the name but they didn't teach or reference her. They bring her out only once you are committed to the church and want to dig deeper into the religion by going to study groups or people giving you material you should study on your own. It is always a stack of her books, lol. It is almost as if she is taboo but they keep her "in" because she is likely a good stream of revenue for the church. They only whip her out in specific circumstances.

[@caoimhinj]

Depends on the congregation. I’ve been in churches where she’s quoted more than the Bible.

[@libertecherie6537]

No ellen white = no adventists though. She is in the fundamental beliefs. I do not know what a non practicing adventist is ? A christian ?

[@tommenzie2458]

She is one of history’s great Christian authors. Up there with all of the other 19th century famous Christian evangelists. The only reason she isn’t mainstream and well known is because she is shunned by association with a movement that upholds the existence of prophecy in the modern day. Any Christian church that claims that they have prophets/ prophecy is shunned from mainstream acceptance. But the Bible says that there would be prophets in the modern day - Acts 2:16-21 ”But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel: “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy“. Yes there are false prophets and true prophets and the Bible says that Matthew 7:15-17 ”Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit“. Ellen G White was a deeply analytical and practical student of the Bible, continuously pointing people back to it and Jesus and her prophecies always bore fruit in improving people‘s lives and happiness. It is clear when when reading these comments, who is actually acquainted with her works.

[@libertecherie6537]

@@tommenzie2458 muhammad was a prophet, do you believe in his "work" ?

[@tommenzie2458]

@@libertecherie6537 “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.”

[@dylangount7349]

I was raised in a end times SDA family. Best way to describe Adventists is that they're a more mainstream version of JW's in that they sometimes get into the doomsday stuff (depending on the church) but still believe in crosses and celebrating holidays with an emphasis on vegetarianism.

[@danielandrada4740]

They still keep saying the end is so close here, I still go to church but its because my family wants me to

[@jjayjae_]

Yeah, I was raised SDA as well and I agree. The mainstream SDA church are like self-aware JWs who are overly concerned with seeming normal and not like a cult so they can fit in with other evangelicals or gain new members. They’re more popular than the JWs so it might be working.

[@jrmloh]

​@@danielandrada4740the radicalness and severity of every SDA group I've met seems to just vary a lot. Generally I've noticed it's just them going about Love and Tolerate, Be a Good person while serving good food. If the Apocalypse happens guess we're just hitting the Endgame, Avoiding the "Unclean" food mentioned in the Bible. And Friday Night to Saturday Night is the Holy Time. (Depends how conservative the family is)

[@jeremycorter1550]

I find it funny that this video about the SDA is longer than the movie made by the SDA about the SDA.

[@cabwaylingo_]

KB, i am a mexican who was born in a weird protestant group derived entirely from american protestantism (taking things from every major group) and from the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU. growing up in there was horrible but it's what pushed me towards learning about religion, culture and history. this is probably your best video yet, everything is so well researched and it helped me have a way better understanding about the whole phenomenon (and make me put more books in my reading list). love your work man !this touched me on a very deep level and i thank you so much for that

[@angledgaze6203]

What group is it?

[@cabwaylingo_]

​@@angledgaze6203 they're not not a big group by any means but i will not give names because i'm still well afraid of them. let's just say it was an american protestant grab-bag with traits from many major groups

[@denzellsmall7598]

⁠@@cabwaylingo_well if you gave a name it would help other people and your description basically fits all american christian denominarions

[@cabwaylingo_]

@@denzellsmall7598 i went into a little more detail before editing the comment but i realized i felt extremely vulnerable sharing some details (trauma response i suppose). i do feel comfortable saying that it's a baptist/dispensationalist group mainly (although in name it's completely non descriptive), with a LOT of borrowing from the jw and sda (the jw's in particular are seen as "aspirational", idk how else to explain it)

[@ButWhyWasTaken]

Well, no wonder you didn't upload a video for so long. This is GLORIOUS. I feel conflicted, on the one hand you create these long, absolutely incredible docus but on the the other hand the withdrawal is real.

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

It is called PTSDa ~

[@ButWhyWasTaken]

@@cindiloowhoo1166 wat?

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

@@ButWhyWasTaken Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Adventist

[@ButWhyWasTaken]

@@cindiloowhoo1166 I know what PTSD is but what does that have to do with my comment?

[@ButWhyWasTaken]

@@cindiloowhoo1166 y u trolling bro?

[@jessicasettle1843]

The visuals are so good on this one! Good work KB 🎉

[@yeoungbraxx]

As an exmormon it's interesting to see some of the similarities like having a modern prophet, the idea of a godhead, and having the fundamental doctrine being largely plagiarized.

[@10deximo41]

plagiarized and sorta just in the air of beliefs at the time

[@TesttheProphet]

It's also interesting because the mormon apologists argue many of the same things adventist apologists do to defend both prophets of plagiarism.

[@kgpspyguy]

Also, it being “Gods will” for the head honcho to have dozens of wives, hand picked by himself. Funny how that always works out.

[@dannylo5875]

@@kgpspyguy They make more of themselves and replicate themselves well..."Human kind is nothing but a virus"...

[@bowmain1577]

I'm mormon, and I have never heard of anything being plagiarized. Not trying to argue at all, just would love learn what people are saying. Do you have any examples?

[@Celia_Dawn]

"Wow, this whole Waco thing keeps coming up. I wonder what happened there!" -Me, a zoomer who'd managed to miss hearing about it my whole life

[@adamantiiispencespence4012]

Wendigoon has sn.excellent video on it.

[@2stral]

@wendigoon made a (by my knowledge) pretty good breakdown of it.

[@knj0hn20]

@@adamantiiispencespence4012looking for this recommendation I wish knowing better could’ve delved into David koresh a bit more

[@aguyontheinternet8436]

have you heard of this wendigoon person?

[@joemency2242]

Wendigoon

[@johnfulmore6673]

Thanks!

[@leeb8186]

13:30 "Miller came up with this prediction in 1818, but sat on it for fear of it being so cringe"

[@JP-JustSayin]

I got to tell you. Nothing is more disappointing than when a favorite creator covers a topic where one has personal expertise and blows it. It shatters trust in all of their other content. Well as a life long, and now ex-, mormon I have to say that the KB vid on the mormons is an absolute masterpiece... factually, contextually and tonally it is utterly flawless in its depiction of mormonism. 10 out of 10. Absolutely no notes. So im juiced for this latest installment. 🍿🍿🍿 Edit: just for clarity I was out of the church for a few years before I saw the KB mormons video. But it was noteworthy that from the outside KB was both so accurate and so even handed. Seeing him operate with this level of depth and fair mindedness has boosted my confidence in all the other KB content. Cheers.

[@jaspirita]

You had me in the first half, ngl

[@gjhartist3685]

I had the same experience when he covered the JWs. He nailed it! I was already on my way out of the religion but that definitely helped solidify my thoughts.

[@JP-JustSayin]

@@gjhartist3685 Glad to hear it.. I was out of the mormons before hand, but seeing him "get it right" as an outsider has made all his other content that much better.

[@kayloiio]

I feel the same way about his JWs video! Third generation raised EX jw and it was chefs kiss!

[@jakesmith9642]

It is 6:40 AM and i’m about to sink the next three hours into a knowing better video. Life is good

[@swayback7375]

Your 6:40 brain is much different from my brain at 6:40

[@bebemegie]

I am so grateful for you. This channel is my obsession right now

[@GClefCannon]

that ending... and the date the video dropped....

[@CelestialAnamoly]

When I first saw this (earlier release) I did a double take at the beginning when the tape was labeled Tuesday 9/11 and was all... wait, is it on a Tuesday this year?? A little research later andv the last Tuesday 9/11 was 2018 and the next one will be 2029. I was all: "Wait a minute..." 🤔

[@rhd244]

Good Video

[@sharonguerra7440]

What a great video! As fairly recent EX-Adventist of many decades, I've never been happier to be EX. The whole "Sanctuary message" never made sense to me, and I almost got fired from Loma Linda Univ Medical Center back in the 80s for getting my ears pierced. I asked one of my older brothers (a church elder) once why the church was so determined to have "Daniel & Revelation" seminars (meetings to recruit new members). Why did the church have to focus on the monsters and weird, scary stuff instead of Jesus and his teachings? He said it was because it was what people wanted to hear. And I think that's why the church membership got more and more focused on conspiracies over the years - because those were the people they were actively recruiting.

[@GodisloveMari]

Hebrews 9

[@bakedlakes9023]

Former SDA here (now hardcore atheist). SDAs aren't bad people (generally) but are DEEPLY DEEPLY confused about the world. There isn't a part of your life that this religion won't affect or sabotage. This religion will infect your ability to think rationally about LITERALLY every facet of life including: - Self Esteem - Sense of self - Social Life - Relationships (Friends, Family, Romantic, Sexual etc) - Career - Critical Thinking Skill - Normal Life Experiences - Maturity And Growth As A Human Being - Diet (Though in defense of the SDAs they do live longer on average due to the 'Health Message', this is the only pro to SDAism) - General World View - Politics - History - Philosophy - Science - Psychology - World Events (I'm barely scratching the surface) I'm not sure I will ever fully recover from being a Seventh Day Adventist seeing as the brainwashing is so complete, all encompassing and fundamentalist in nature. Leaving it literally feels like having your skeleton removed, even after a decade I'm still picking up the pieces (and trying to grow a new skeleton lol). It's kinda like culture shock on steroids, but worse, I guess (imagine moving to China or something). I've literally put myself in dangerous situations over the BS I used to believe. The whole religion is based on: - Failed prophecies (Like all of them) - Retroactive prophecy Interpretation All of the 'successful' prophecies were interpreted after the events which literally makes no sense. That would be like me predicting the results of the 2024 Summer Olympic now AFTER the event. For some strange reason SDAs don't seem to notice this obvious idiocy - Ambiguous nonsense Even if the predictions were accurate (Which they are not), the language of the prophecies is so vague that it could be interpreted in literally 10000s of ways (as it is by other denominations) - Never ending confirmation biases Young earth creationism, ignoring/conveniently reinterpreting failed prophecies, contradictions etc It's definitely not the worst religion/cult but it's pretty bad Avoid this intellectually deficient horseshit like the plague!! Don't end up like me ☹ 0/10 Would not recommend

[@wanderson4360]

[1:37:10] You have no idea how hard I laughed at the HBomberGuy reference and plagiarism fakeout 😂 (continues to watch a few more minutes...) wait, was it a fakeout? lol. Great wallpaper you got there 😂😂

[@TimBitten]

SDAs are always insistent they know the exact answer to every single question imaginable and get VERY defensive when you question any of these “perfect” explanations.

[@americanswan]

I'm currently an Adventist. Do you have any questions for me? How about this? I am glad this video came out. I like a lot about the Adventist religion a lot, but I'm my own person, and I want the truth. I heard about The White Lie a few years ago. I can defend the Bible, but I can't defend EGW's fraud or the leadership's cover-up. People need to meet Jesus and not follow some church organizations or questionable leaders. While I attend an Adventist church, I ignore the leadership of the church, and I don't read their publications.

[@thunderspark1536]

​​@@americanswanSure, how exactly do you have earth before light, according to Genesis? Given that photons and stars (plus supernova) had to form first to even allow a rocky body like earth to form at all it's impossible for earth to come before light.

[@slendy5367]

​@thunderspark1536 I'm Adventist as well, there's a prominent sect inside of the church that follow the big bang to a T, they view God as the one who caused it, most see those beginning words more like a metaphor but not literal, do be aware that those who believe it are usually doctors and similar high leading professions.

[@mikeymullins5305]

This is a description of every hardcore christian.

[@americanswan]

@@thunderspark1536 Thank you for the question. God is God, as such He isn't restricted. You seem to assume God was restricted in some way. God spoke light into existance after the darkness. The creation of light could have been some form of supernova, but that implies some sort of time that God was limited again and had to wait x amount of time for the supernova to create earth. That limitation just doesn't exist with God. God creates time. I wasn't there to see how God did that. But it seems reasonable to me that there was darkness x time and then light appeared at God's word for x time and the first day occured. I don't have the exact answer. If there were absolutely no unknowns, would He be God?

[@lotharbeck71]

Most of KZbin: “Ugh, I can’t watch a video longer than five minutes.” Me on KZbin: “KB’S GOT A THREE HOUR VIDEO HELL YEAH.” Oh, and he’s already invoked H.BomberGuy! YAS.

[@TheMysteryDriver]

2x speed

[@musicobsessive123]

i mean idk man, long form video essays are very popular right now. this week my fav yter put out a 10 hour (literally) breakdown of a single video game and everyone was foaming at the mouth with excitement lmao

[@virtualtools_3021]

​@@musicobsessive123who is publishibg 10hr videos

[@composerdoh]

"Because JESUS HASN'T PUT HIS SHOES ON YET!... now everyone's going to be late to the final judgement because of you!" 🤣🤣🤣

[@DieVorleserin-ok8zr]

9:54 As someone who studies Religious Education and is also a huge Bible nerd, the church-woman-association basically comes from Ephesians 5 : 21-33, in which men are told to "love [their] wives as Christ loves the church" and so on. This caused the image of Christ as "the husband" and the church as "his bride" to get really popular, it never really went down in conservative Christian circles. (I heard that practically every Sunday during my childhood.)

[@Marc.1776.]

Hey I do too. Did you know that St. Peter would often lie about being in Babylon when he was in Rome to avoid persecution?

[@Marc.1776.]

Additionally, we also know that in ancient times Babylon was a shorthand meaning tyranny in general due to the Babylonian captivity. So St. Peter calling Rome Babylon was a clever way to associate the tyranny of the captivity with the persecution of early Christian’s!

[@jacobmartinez9339]

KB, the only KZbinr where 9 months is an acceptable gap between videos, because the content is just that good.

[@kateb2643]

It's the hbomberguy model

[@aristizle8797]

And Joseph Anderson. But there aren't many of them.

[@Thatclimbingirl]

Also captain disillusioned and CPG grey

[@lucyferos205]

Kind of how AccursedFarms is

[@jackj5866]

Clearly you aren't a viewer of Ahoy

[@PixieUppercut]

Still finishing the video but I wanted to say I feel seen right now. I grew up Adventist and although I have consumed a lot of content around religious deconstruction, I’ve yet to find anyone really get into SDA like this. I really appreciate the time and effort this took.

[@fisk159]

Tak!