Knysna 500 Catamaran Review. Would it be a good live-aboard circumnavigation sailboat. Ep153

In this episode of Cruising Off Duty, we are at the Annapolis Sailboat Show checking out the Catamarans to see what we think would suit us as a for a full-time live-aboard catamaran for when we sail full-time as we circumnavigate the globe.
This episode we cover the Knysna 500 which is a 50' Catamaran made in South Africa. Watch to see what we think.
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[@greatlakescruiser5720]

I know I tell you this every year, but thanks to both of you for doing this. Even though I'm a stink boater I truly enjoy your reviews and commentary and of course the videography of the beautiful boats and surroundings.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Thanks GLC. Maybe one day we meet out on the water in some anchorage if you are still in the Great Lakes near Kingston.

[@greatlakescruiser5720]

I would certainly enjoy meeting you both. My homeport is in the Detroit area. If you ever find yourselves in Southern Lake Huron, Lake St. Clair or Western Lake Erie, make sure to let me know. Dinner and drinks are on me!

[@dougmarder]

It was great meeting you both at the show! Looking forward to all your reviews and to get your final top 3.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Thanks. Was great meeting to you and everyone who stopped us to say hi.

[@bill4nier]

Well, had not heard of that brand, very interesting. I like it a lot! Will have to add this one to my list. Thanks for sharing.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

It is a contender for us. In the top 5 for sure.

[@Zarih67]

Excellent! Thank you.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Thanks!

[@raymtl8892]

Love the new format of your separate reviews and camera work and then your comments together at the end! Much more enjoyable then a standard review video. Who knows? Maybe a sailing magazine will use you guys to do reviews for them?

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Thanks Ray. Nice to hear. The thing about sailing magazines is they never say a boat is bad in almost any way. They don't want to possibly lose future advertisers. We don't pull any punches. I think people appreciate that.

[@chasemixon6327]

absolutely beautiful boat!

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Yes. It is very nice.

[@Kelkschiz]

Like the two perspectives. Nice edit, I think it shows that you have done quite a few of these. Looks like a very nice large boat, perfect size i'd think. Looks quite sexy on the outside as well. Much better than the Lagoons

[@Bowmans-Woods]

It is a nice boat inside and out when it has the wood interior. Wish they brought that one to the show to showcase. Oh well. We showed photos of it at least.

[@trumpetmano]

Probably better built than a Lagoon as well. Very shoddy workmanship coming from Lagoon and Leopard.

[@stevebellamy8901]

Thanks for sharing. Those two Seawinds in the background look sweet in profile. Would love to see a walkthrough.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Sorry. Not a seawind fan. Too sparse for us.

[@seatravel8536]

I like the two separate cameras and commentary, very insightful from a design perspective

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Thanks. It’s good to hear the male and female perspective.

[@r.maj.7065]

@@Bowmans-Woods Very good review! Can you say the the wide of beds in cm? Thank you very much for the answer!

[@svcatchingup11]

It's so cool seeing this Knysna500SE on display. We were the next production slot after this yacht was launched and we went with proper wood cabinetry.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Good for you. We would love your boat. The beautiful wood interior makes such a huge improvement to how it looks. Congrats to you.

[@BryanMennie1]

I saw the Knysna 500 at the Cape Town boat show last month. Was even chatting with the Xquisite team about you two. I hear exciting things happened at the Annapolis boat show.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Yes. Exciting things COULD happen. Just need to get the OK to take and extended leave from work. Fingers crossed. Was the Knysna there the one with the nice wood?

[@BryanMennie1]

Cruising Off Duty cool. I loved that ocean crossing video so maybe one with you and Janice. 😁. Yes that Knysna with the woodwork is on the IG pic I shared with you. It really was beautiful. It just “felt” like it had struck the best balance of being elegant and fun of all the boats that I saw in Cape Town.

[@BryanMennie1]

Cruising Off Duty also I used to be in the same line of work as you are now so I get the issues around extended leave. 😁.Still tell the Xquisite folks that a sail to Cape Town is an awesome video series in the making. 😁

[@mikeferguson2828]

I walked on many of the yachts on display at the Cape Town boat show last week. I am a Leopard 40 owner and love my boat but the new 45 and 50 are not in my opinion a good long term cruising boat. The St Francis and the Knysna 50 are really nice boats 👍

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Good to heat. Thanks Mike.

[@daann1100]

I love your work with those videos, and the double camera perspective Only 1 small suggestion, if I may, put at the end, or in the description, the specs and price of the boats, please.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Thanks. Problem with prices, is most production companies quoted a low price but then racks on all sorts of needed extras. So without getting the exact same gear on each boat, you can’t really know the price. So I avoid quoting exact prices. Often an apples to oranges comparison.

[@CAPTAINDRONE798]

Amazing boat.... from a non-boat guy that looks rather livable. Kind of like recreational camping, but on water.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Yes. For a non boater I’d say it the same comfort as a full sized RV on the water. Very comfortable way to live.

[@ysesq]

wood on a boat gets wet, rots and get moldy. since the hull and exterior are plastic why not just make the interior plastic. the plastic chosen looks tacky but there is nothing stopping you from getting a better faux wood/plastic finish. another advantage is the weight - wood weighs a lot more even in mdf than a good plastic part. i would go for an all metal boat if youre going wood so you can strip out the wood at some point and replace it while keeping the hull intact.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Our present boat has a lot of teak inside. Wood on the outside takes a beating. Wood on the inside is not hard to keep looking nice. We don’t want IKEA Bristol board cabinets if we can avoid it.

[@keithmoser1495]

OK maybe wood on the outside is not a plus. Plastic requires at least two waxing a year or more a year while interior wood a wipe down with Olive oil every 6 months.

[@HopeOfJoe]

Like this boat a ton with one exception .....the slanted bows in the wrong direction (my opinion) as it would seem they would catch a wave when surfing and be dangerous. The reverse bows or plumb bows seem to be a better config.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

I hear you. No boat is perfect. Every one has a feature or design that could be changed. I guess it’s all about finding the boat that’s as close to perfect as you can afford to pay.

[@chriskubara9061]

Hi nice to follow your reviews I think they are excellent Thankyou. Is the Xquisite X5 still the pick albeit expensive ? It looks to be my pick when I update

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Thanks. Yes the X5 is awesome but out of our price range.

[@VirtanenDK]

Looks like a nice layout, on this boat. But you need to know more. Have a great day 👋

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Ya. A guided tour on this boat may have been really valuable like we did on some of the other boats. Maybe next year.

[@michaelrouse627]

Great video with the 2 cameras. Was the machine spaces and lazarets off limits? Just curious of the space to work in because you know you will.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Thanks. Ya. Many boats are privately owned so they don’t want you to open the drawers or lazarets.

[@michaelrouse627]

Cruising Off Duty looking forward to your other reviews. We were there during the power boat week but was able to get on a Lagoon 380 (too small in our opinion) & a 450 (loved it).

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Agreed. 450 is perfect size. 380 is too small.

[@MicheIIePucca]

Dang I love that one. Where's mah chequebook!

[@Bowmans-Woods]

It is very nice. I’d be happy with that for sure. There are more good ones to come.

[@omlandthegreat]

Two Zinks is allright but what about the rest, like rigging and sail handling. Will two persons be able to handle it comfortably.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

I showed the helm area with all the winches and lines heading to that one area and said it is set up to single hand. So clearly if you can single hand then sailing with 2 people is even easier. I can't test sail every boat we look at at the show to prove it can be sailed by a couple? Our reviews are a walkthrough of the boats at the show. If you want to see it being sailed, I'd suggest you search KZbin for videos created by the manufacturer showing it being sailed. Most of them produce videos like that to showcase how their boat looks under sail etc.

[@billhanna8838]

Ask about the Lagoon build quality (Bulkheads bending) when you do the test , Get there side of it ?

[@Bowmans-Woods]

OK. Thanks.

[@ianpaulhughes]

Shape looks outdated compared to the production cats today and the hulls seem narrow for a 50ft. I like that cockpit though but i guess the teak floor is an option? Or was the price you quoted for what you see?

[@Bowmans-Woods]

I think the floor was standard, but I am not sure. I asked for the price totally kitted out for liveaboard. I agree that the cabins seemed a bit narrow for a 50'.

[@ianpaulhughes]

@@Bowmans-Woods Thanks! Looking forward to your future walkthru videos.

[@michaelrouse627]

Kinda reminded me of an older leopard. Those slanted forward windows take away space. Crawling over your sig other to get out of bed sucks to. Need more space on each side of the beds.

[@ianpaulhughes]

@@michaelrouse627 I was thinking the same thing, like they bought Leopard's 15 year old molds or something. I think a new Leopard 45 has about the same space and maybe wider stepped hulls.

[@Buses2Bikes]

Personally, I'd also choose the plastic over the wood interiors. The wood looks better but the upkeep would be massive over time. The plastic will wear much better and be cheaper to maintain. I'd go for all smoothed fiberglass interiors with a dash of paint here or there for color but low maintenance being the ultimate goal. I want to spend my time and money on cruising...not updating and repairing interiors every few years.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Our boat now has wood. Other than the companionway stars, the wood inside doesn’t need much if any upkeep. I totally get that wood anywhere near the outside is a bad idea but wood in cabins is a richer look than fiberglass. IMO.

[@Buses2Bikes]

@@Bowmans-Woods I totally agree. The wood looks better. WAY better. The darker/redder the better. Especially with green or blue leather covered cushions. I love that old 1930's look and feel on a boat. But...with that said....on day 355 of the circumnavigation and the 15th empty bottle of Wax headed for the trash ...all that wood would come back to haunt me. 1 bucket of warm bleach-water and a rag and an hour wiping down all the smoothed fiberglass/plastic surfaces and call it won and done!

[@DirkBotha]

Happy wife, happy life. . . . NO wife, ECSTATIC life! :D

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Ha Ha. I had to tab down to see the rest.

[@iainlyall6475]

OMG's it's ONLY 895! and to think you didn't want to pay a mill for a previous boat :-) don't forget, the wife wont need 2 hrs to put her makeup on when traveling overseas. she actually might prefer no makup :-(( oh and one more thing, if you buy this boat new, even at 895, after your mods it will cost about 1.5 mil :-) sigh!

[@michaelrouse627]

iain lyall agree. Just went on yachtworld and a 2010 480 was in the high 5s.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

We will be buying used so we might get that for 500k-600k. So doable once we sell our house. The other cat was 1.3 million. Even used we can’t afford that. If you heard Janice she said she didn’t want the makeup vanity because she won’t use it.

[@nyblefkas2717]

@@Bowmans-Woods www.networkyachtbrokers.com/boats_for_sale/Knysna_500SE_Catamaran-22331.html/ Here's one we have for sale in that range, shes in great condition.

[@jackrabbit5047]

That furler on the staysail looks interesting. I've never seen one like that before. Would be curious to know how it works.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Ya. It would be nice to test sail every boat. But no time. Obviously we will test sail the boat we eventually think we are planning to buy.

[@snoopybluejeans]

Ya, but where's the washer and dryer? ;-)

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Ha ha. I’m surprised she didn’t go looking for that. I’m fine hand washing. But she wants the combo machine. I’m sure there was space in there somewhere. Perhaps it was there and we didn’t see it.

[@michaelsamuel4159]

More sinks = more plumbing = more problems

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Or ..... it could be a built-in redundancy so if one sink breaks you still have 1 sink. It's a glass half full way of looking at it. ha ha

[@michaelsamuel4159]

An extra sink for redundancy? lol

[@Bowmans-Woods]

You know. One sink gets clogged with hair so you just slide over and use the "Back-up Sink". Redundancy! ha ha.

[@raineystrees]

That would be a nice boat with all the wood.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Yes, it looks much more impressive with beautiful wood everywhere. That’s why Janice seemed so disappointed.

[@MOTORVESSELFREEDOM]

What was your opinion of the Antares?

[@Bowmans-Woods]

We film it. It’s coming up. Stay tuned

[@edsonkidwell9813]

Yup killer boat oh boy lagoons again argghhh!!!!

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Don’t worry. Non Production boats are also coming in the future as well. 😃

[@captmoa]

Nice review, don't care much for the boat.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Thanks. I get that. It’s not bad but not our favorite.

[@arumrunner]

Looks like sailing was a second thought on that vessel. Pass

[@kbob8424]

The Knysa is built in Knysan South Africa hence its name which maybe you knew. It is probably in the top 3 treacherous place to sail IN THE WORLD! They are tested there and can pretty much sail anywhere else. i guarantee "Sailing" is their first thought.

[@arumrunner]

@@kbob8424 Look at the hardware and sheeting for the jib/genoa - Please tell me if that looks to a standard that you would consider long distance, offshore capable? What is the rating on this vessel? Category A - Ocean: covers largely self-sufficient boats designed for extended voyages with winds of over Beaufort Force 8 (over 40 knots), and significant wave heights above 13 feet, but excluding abnormal conditions such as hurricanes. Category B - Offshore: includes boats operating offshore with winds to 40 knots and significant seas to 13 feet. Category C - Inshore: is for boats operating in coastal waters and large bays and lakes with winds to Force 6, up to 27 knots, and significant seas 7 feet high. Category D - Inland or sheltered coastal waters: is for boats in small lakes and rivers with winds to Force 4 and significant wave heights to 18 inches.

[@dukewright8498]

895?? Hey can you spare 50 or 75g's!!??

[@Bowmans-Woods]

We don't plan to buy new. ha ha.

[@mikephillips9311]

I found your review to be severely lacking. Yes, you show the accommodation space but you do it like a real estate agent would be showing a condo in Florida. Your review I think left more questions than answers! I don't think you guys opened a single locker, ie, is there somewhere appropriate to handle wet weather gear? (On the Kynsna, yes there is). This is a boat that people are going to sea in, not going to be living in a marina full time. You didn't show any of the machinery spaces, ie, did you know the engines are 56hp Yanmars (which are upgrades on many boats, standard on the Kynsna). The engines are beneath the aft berths, that would be importent for people to know, some will like that, some will not & that is a serious point of consideration for most which isn't covered at all in your "review". You didn't show the machinery space that contains the generator, watermaker, etc, which is all in a cabinet area accessed for example from the owners area, quite nicely laid out. All you would have had to do is open a cabinet door. Nice selling point for a boat you're going to take to sea. Did you know it has hydraulic steering for example? A huge consideration filled with pros and cons (rudders are operated independently for example), no tie rod between rudders, dependent on another pump, etc. Some will like and some will hate that, but your audience would want to know things like this I think. It would have been easy to show the vast storage area for gear where the engines are on most other catamarans, again, pros & cons that would be importent consideration for people considering buying a cat. Where is the life raft stored, do you know? Many cats have them in places which would be almost impossible to access if the boat capsized. The Kynsna has it in a brilliant location that not only keeps it dry but can be accessed no matter the orientation of the boat. It would have only taken seconds to show this. You totally missed the furling main (as opposed to the usual stack pack), the forward storage areas, etc. I could go on & on but my point has been made I think. I am in no way connected with Kynsna, just a guy looking for a well thought out world cruiser. You could have shown all the above and more within the time constraints of your video I am convinced. I appreciate what you're trying to do, please just consider this constructive criticism. I hope your future reviews on other cats at the show cover at least a little more depth, I think many of your viewers would really appreciate it! Good luck in your search!

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Hey Mike. Clearly you have researched the boat. Some of our future reviews have more detail because the person representing the boat either gave us a tour and allowed us to open lockers and lift beds to show engines and some boats are just privately owned yachts where the manufacturer just paid them to park their boat at the show but you are forbidden from opening cabinets and lockers because their personal stuff is inside. So if it’s a private boat we do sort walk through it as it is just a walking tour. One boat builder, Bali, even said they didn’t want us to film their boats??! So we can only do what we are allowed. If we get offered a guided tour we take it. If not we give a walking tour, which is better than nothing. Be a bit more understanding.

[@mikephillips9311]

@@Bowmans-Woods Craig, I viewed several "private" cats at Annapolis, was never denied access to anything I wanted to see but I did have to ask for permission at times. Everyone was very accommodating. Anyway, wasn't trying to "get on your case", just thought more practical boat systems review & less of the accommodation would be appreciated by many (or at least "equal time")! Take care & good luck in your search!

[@jmb1805]

Agreed. It’s a boat show walk through with commentary, not a review. That’s not a criticism of what Craig and Janice are doing, just an observation of the content they choose to produce. Certainly saves me a trip to Annapolis, so I’m grateful. Personally, I think it’s a pity Chris Beeson’s Yachting Monthly video reviews are no longer made - he gave the tyres a good ol’ kicking. (Well worth a look at his back catalogue here on KZbin if you aren’t already familiar.) Cheers.

[@ronaldharris6569]

The swim ladder and do dingy lift is worth it's weight in gold especially if you don't want to get your outboard stolen

[@Bowmans-Woods]

It is a very nice feature.

[@simonhantler8062]

i like the build quality and functional parts but the interior is dated. kysna have a good reputation.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

It looks good to us with a wood interior.

[@yashmanwani6232]

I fail to see why anyone would choose this boat over a Lagoon or FP 50 even if it was half the price!

[@Bowmans-Woods]

2 comments for FP only. I think you may work for FP? Or at least are an owner?

[@christoffer1973]

Plastic is not that bad.

[@kw4690]

Two sinks is good. Two hand basins in the head is a waste.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Ya. I agree with that. 1 basin in the head is all we need.

[@zzzxxzzz4797]

So I think it had a roller furling boom , of course you didn't show that ! Shame shame !

[@Bowmans-Woods]

We aren’t fans of roller furling. They often jam. Our next boat will have basic batten sails with lazy jack lines into a stack pack. So not something we will think of as a plus so, not something we will focus on. Roller furling is an option. Not standard.

[@gregorymarrone3666]

The bathroom is fine!! I like it!! But the Kitchen is way too small!! Why so small on this boat costing so much!! It's what a 1.6 million dollar boat?? Need a bigger kitchen!!!

[@grancito2]

I am a fan for two bathroom sinks, I don't like to interrupt my girlfriends while they are cleaning their teeth, and I have to wash my hands after having a shit, we have to be civilised.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Yes ..... civilized. Like your comments. ha ha

[@grancito2]

@@Bowmans-Woods Thank you, I knew someone would get a laugh.

[@playb4work447]

I hate to criticize, but perhaps talk to a sales rep before the walk thru, that way you'll know what your talking about and won't have to correct yourself continuously. Enjoy your shopping.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Often the people at the entrance are not sales people and know little. The sales people are off making deals in desks off the boat.

[@idrywithtowels2]

my advice is to not spend all that money on something this expensive. there is a lot of boat that can be had for far less money. By less money I mean fractions, there are plenty of very seaworthy and comfortable boats under $150,000. Granted they may not all be catamarans but I think you might want to get your feet wet before you commit to that much money invested into a boat.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

A) We are only interested in Living in a Catamaran. B) We don't plan to buy new. We quote the prices from the show but we will not be spending as much as they want for a new Cat. What we sell our house, cars, motorcycle and existing 35' monohull for is how much we can spend on out new (to us) Cat. No boat loan for us.

[@Tim1London1]

Candles on a boat? Really?

[@johnnyBeBad1234]

1.3 million Canadian. Good luck buying that. That comes up to 8500$ a month for 20years at 5% interest. You can get a 2012 Lagoon 500 for about 750 000$ Canadian, that would end up costing half the other Knysna a month... To me that makes more sense. I believe you're the one that said in the following video that it's not smart to buy a new boat because you'll end up paying for the depreciation....kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnTGnaWYf6dngrs You should probably listen to your own advice.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

This boat is not $1.3 million. You are confusing it with other boats we spoke of. You wouldn’t buy one of these and finance the whole thing. We are selling everything and that’s what we will spend for something used. No boat loan for us.

[@johnnyBeBad1234]

@@Bowmans-Woods at the end you indicated that the boat or a similar boat with different interior finish was 895 000$ 12:52 ....Annapolis is in the US...that's probably the US price. If you can swing that, cool. More power to you. But it seems like a lot of $ for not much boat.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Everything I quote is in US dollars. I have already factored in what we can afford to buy, used, in US dollars. I'm ballparking 500-600K. That will get us something pretty decent on the used market. It's still 4-5 years away so the exchange may get closer to par (or not) so that is always something to hope for. When we bought our present boat in 2010, the dollar was par and just after a recession when boats were cheap. So maybe that comes back again. I'm expecting a recession between now and when we buy in 4-5 yrs. That could make cats on the used market, really cheap again and chances are the US dollar goes down in a recession. Just like in 2009-2010. When people are losing their jobs the one thing that get sold at fire-sale prices in their boats.

[@alphasxsignal]

Been looking to long, you should have been on the water by now. People look to much.

[@Bowmans-Woods]

Got to wait for my pension to vest. 5 years and counting down. If I was all of a sudden fabulously wealthy (I can't see that happening) I would go now. But since we are on the 5 year plan, I will probably sell the house in 4 years and then buy the boat that we can sail away in 5 prior to retirement. Patience is a virtue, or so I am told. ;-)

[@mecima]

mgtow