Kohdok Reviews the Lorcana Gateway Box!

[@StarkMaximum]

ngl the "after you're done ooh-ing and ahh-ing over the gorgeous art" line really rubbed me the wrong way too. It's so self-congratulatory and puts me in a really sour frame of mind.

[@Azeria]

That introductory video is all the proof you need to know this isn’t a Disney product, it’s a licensed cash grab made by a jigsaw company. It just feels so rare that a TCG, either physical or digital, survives for all that long when it’s made by a company that’s licensing the IP from someone else. If Disney wanted this to work, they have the ability to make it in house, but they don’t actually care, so why should anyone who likes their characters and worlds care either?

[@chimpkinglich1637]

The lorcana art doesn't compare to any other card game lmao, magic has beautiful hand painted pieces, Yugioh has some of the most unique monster and archetype design, vanguard has a huge variety of anime inspired archetypee with beautiful full art anime cards, the lorcana art is so generic and safe, I absolutely hate it

[@Stroggoii]

Magic and Lorcana are both cheap digital art (

[@LinkZeraus]

@@Stroggoii fr you can say anything about Digimon TCG, but its art is one of the best ones in all TCG's if not the best.

[@Monkey_D._Elliott]

One day a company is going to introduce a starter product that has tournament ready decks with full playsets and rules that are both engaging and respectful to the players intelligence. It won't be disney.

[@Ms666slayer]

In Yugioh a lot of structure decks were buy 3 for 10 each and you have am actual tournament winning deck some of them like Dinnosaurs and Monarch didn't even needed anything else, with dinnosaurs maybe you could buy 3 Ash Blossom but that would be the only thing and you really didn't need them, but the problem is that none of the structure decks have instuctions of how to play, because those are meant for already experienced players.

[@SakuraAvalon]

YGO is pretty close if you live in Asia. They have released Trial decks that are one purchase, pre-built decks for three archetypes. And recently they released pre-built, one purchase Structure Decks featuring competitive(if a bit dated) decks.

[@dorynka]

how about Pokemon Battle decks? they're gym battle friendly

[@havenfractal]

I recently got my nephew into Magic. As I was considering what decks to bring next time I visit, I realized that I _don't_ want to bring my super-powerful souped up tournament level decks. I want to bring the decks from Game Night. They have less consistency, which means more variety - I'll get to show him more flavor over a longer game. They have less 'crazy' cards: no adventures, no planeswalkers, no 2-faced cards, and they instead stick to simpler mechanics like "dragons cost less" or equipment: things that are still fun, but won't require as much stretching to understand during the game. This doesn't mean the decks are boring or weak, just that they're simpler. With this as my example, I'm not sure that tournament products and intro products have the same goals, so I'm not sure if it's possible to build a single product that can do both.

[@nmr7203]

​@dorynka those are bad. And the league battle decks are usually outdated and are missing things for no reason

[@Marlinrimes]

I’d personally say that the decks in the Pokémon stadium did what they were made to do: teach the game to younger kids while not being to complicated. They aren’t good outside of it but I don’t think they necessarily made for that purpose.

[@mill_ania]

Disney adults all say Disney creates amazing stories, but then they can't even make a sensible story for their own card game TUTORIAL.

[@thrillhouse4151]

Deep down I really wish the KZbin video reply function was still intact so I can watch a scathing rebuttal from some Disney adult, like one where they agree with one or two points then starts getting hilariously upset at another, like defending the “Pete” art.

[@abbc2105]

F it; I’m just gonna be that guy. The art is cut in half. It connects to Mickey Mouse - Steamboat Pilot for the full image.

[@Kohdok]

@@abbc2105 ...which would be nice if it wasn't so obviously done as an afterthought, made at a different time by a different artist in a way that skews the art's framing horrifically.

[@abbc2105]

@@KohdokYeah, they should have been done by the same artist, and Pete’s card should have more detail so it works better on its own. Still thought it was worth a mention.

[@DigeeTheGenie]

This whole tutorial is Disney ret large. Doing the most stupid things largely because a suit told you so. Like I know its an online client and as such it can parcel out instructions (and leave some of the more wacky crap to later) but playing Master Duel yesterday fueled by the new YGO forever stream (and Zexal being good, actually?!) puts this in clear perspective.

[@junkuribo5150]

These are being sold in my local Walmart (the biggest one in state) has these in the BOARDGAME section, not with the TCG stuff.

[@ultimatezed8177]

With all the other Disney ravensburger games

[@junkuribo5150]

@ultimatezed8177 I think so. It was right next to Villainous.

[@specter2443]

Ok, Hearing "come on" in the background while you're saying "I've just gota point out" makes me smile

[@zyro7756]

Still remember when this game came out and “those kinds” of people at my TCG locals bought this out on mass Now it’s rare to even see anyone mention it

[@skaven969]

I like how in the example video how to play, there’s no room on the play area “board” to place your songs, because it would hit the tracker in the middle or overlap cards

[@jkromes20]

at my local big box store, lorcanan is the only game consistently in stock....sooo that tells you a lot

[@Anemoi_1]

The art is something that I kinda have a problem with, Everything feels just so "same-y": The style, the vibe, the photoshoot like posing of the characters. They all felt so interchangeable In contrast, Pokemon's art is really cool and something I really respect about it, They are many art styles and a lot of personality in every pack. It feels like every card is unique and cool, even if they are bad in the game. The full arts especially are always full of personality and are really unique, which is something I can't say about Lorcana

[@UnderTheSkin13]

At 23:45. That song. I remember it, I've heard it before, but it's escaping me right now. I do not like it when I forget where a song is from. I'd love to drop a comment about how right this video is but this is more important right now.

[@lancehildebrand4025]

FFX Wandering Flame

[@drigoleus1055]

Hey kohdok, will you check the new beyblade x stuff?

[@Ehibika]

Now look, I will defend the art of lorcana valiantly because they do a lot with environment and atmosphere toning to have the cards be potencies with their given color despite dealing with pre-made characters, the stitch cards are wonderful examples. In fact I actually do like how they don't shoehorn characters into specific colors for color coding. Genie is primarily in green and purple because he fits the themes of those colors more (green being tricky and adaptive and purple being mystical and magical), and I heavily respect that as someone who's both a little tired of fantasy realism and splashy pin-ups surrounded in visual noise. Now with all that aside, this is some haughty-ass behavior on their part, and i think this overconfidence leads them to neglect so much else about the game. Like, their onboarding products suck, so many of their starter decks are anemic, lack a clear game plan, and start top decking real quick thanks to how much they lack in card draw (and I won't get into the bigger issue with the game's stinginess about card draw unless it's amethyst). And I feel like what they're trying to do here is just way to hand-holdy while also not telling enough about the game. Like honestly, I've been working on a lorcana equivalent to MTG's jumpstart where you take a pair of single color half decks and combine them into a single working deck and play games with them, and I think that would be a far better angle for an onboarding product. The decks I've worked out stay at a Max Ink cost of 4 to 5 and are more focused on Main mechanics of each color and how they can come together to make a playable deck. Anyways, all that is to say that ravensburger can do so much better, but like game freak and the Pokemon company, I think they get too cozy with their brand recognition, and just operate on this mentality that they'll make money regardless so whatever.

[@huyphan7825]

Bold of Disney to be hot shit about their card art when TCG art peaked at the Egyptian Gods back in 2003.

[@jakksonkobalt]

Starter decks actually go quite quickly in my area for Lorcana. Except the older than 6 months ones. A lot of the player in my area pick up at least 1 copy of each starter deck as they come out. I started playing Lorcana a couple months ago and I like it a lot more than Magic. And we get more turn out than Standard, Modern, or Pioneer in my area. And those Ursula things are sold out completely. Every game store in BC is sold out (to my knowledge). I had to order mine from like Montreal so I could get the components for a brooms deck at a cheaper price than TCG player. Gateways are full of staples that can be hard to find and I love the fact I started with the gateway for better access to those cards.

[@noahhayslip9270]

Starter boxes confuse me as why would you pay the MSRP of 50 dollars to learn the game. Not a good price of entry for the dummy cards you’re getting

[@abbc2105]

Hey, Kohdok. Assuming you could have whatever you want happen, what would you want the designers of the game to do going forward?

[@Kohdok]

Apparently they have already listened to my advice once before, with how they changed the Illumineer's Trove into its current version based on exactly what I said to them at Toy Fair 2023. And this? It should be redesigned as a product for EVERYBODY, not just new players. The Pokemon Battle Academy's hard board is desirable to many players who want a quick and sturdy setup. I said it here, but removing the Lore tracker from the middle of the board and improving the Token Sheet to include Status Tokens and lore dials you put together (Loads of games have dials on the token board these days) so even an experienced player will look at it as a good purchase. Also, obviously, to cool it on the ego.

[@LLawliet2]

Subtle Cirno

[@thefallenmonk605]

2000 plus tourments that sell out in 30 second. 10k going on most weekends. Ppl fighting eachother for Target exclusive box Black Friday 2024. We get more ppl in for Lorcana then magic at my LGS.

[@ReadingRulesDallas]

Kaboom! When it is bad, it is really bad! Thanks for the heads up!!

[@whiz8569]

Not only is the QR code thing bad for players learning on terrible wi-fi, but it's also pretty bad for longevity. If someone plays this years from now after getting it second hand or popping it open after a long time, then good luck learning the rules when the website the QR code directs to has been down for ages.

[@lizzzbenoist]

...As a tcg player I can just watch that tutorial in utter disbelief. Say what you want about the Bandai tutorials with their cringy voice acting and bad audio mixing BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, THEY ACTUALLY EXPLAINED THE RULES OF THEIR RESPECTIVE GAMES

[@zearcjustice7837]

ye this happen to yugioh too.... they scrap it after 1 try , since the backlash is so crazy . FOLLOWING THE PLAY AND NOT SHUFFLE IS THE WORST THING EVER

[@KimchiYeo]

yugioh killed itself by being lawless...i see so many memes of thee starter turn deciding who willwinor not..its stupid, yugioh today is not the great gameit was at the beginning...digimon is dead too one piece is only collected and not played as much but stillmore than everythign else(except magic offcourse) dragonball fusion world i hoped get more love but western peopledont seem too interrested either...i just want a new tcg that sticks and peopel wanna play...i wasted so much money onone piece and lorcana and dragon ball fusion world and masters cards because peopel todlthey wanna play with me yet they never freakin did...

[@SakuraAvalon]

@@KimchiYeo Funnily enough, if you're playing Master Duel, you might be toast if your opponent lets you go first. lol

[@smonkk8556]

@@KimchiYeo i like the world some people live in where yugioh circa 2001 was this amazing well designed great game and not the equivalent of building the tracks of a train as you run it. modern yugioh is completely fine and actually incredibly fun and skill intensive, and even for vintage formats there's a reason the two most popular historical formats are from the GX and 5Ds eras and not the original run. who's ready to summon mechanicalchaser! as for tutorials yugioh's physical attempts have been awful, but master duel exists as a great onboarding mechanism that can allow people to experience a variety of mechanics, decks, and rulings even with minimal experience. the only issue there is that master duel is a best of one format and has its own weird little banlist, so players never get an opportunity to learn skills like sidedecking

[@TheArceusftw]

This boxset and that tutorial just seems like a perfect microcosm of everything wrong with this game. Just another poorly planned out piece of corporate slop dressed up with Disney's typical brand of self important, ego stroking brand prestige. I wouldn't be shocked if this game did succumb to the 2-year curse, and just end up just being another blunder consigned to the dustbin of both Disney, and TCG history. If Lorcana does end up being remembered for anything, it should be seen right next to Redakai as a cautionary tale on what can go wrong in planning your TCG. In this case, what happens when you rely too heavily on name brand recognition to cary your game. This game is like Icarus; it flew too close to the sun, only to end up burning in the flames of it's own huburis.

[@aidanklobuchar1798]

Say what you will about the quality of the game, but last I've heard, it's still been selling like hotcakes in the US. The Disney adult demographic really is the perfect group to market a TCG to. They generally have disposable income, they are willing to dispose of said income, and they clearly don't care about partaking in something most people would think of as immature or childish.

[@mr.horseshoe2301]

Very boring game. Everyone in my area dropped it. What a waste of a license.

[@junkuribo5150]

I bet itself gonna die out next year.

[@Rabbitlord108]

What's up with the sound in this video at the very beginning?

[@heinokunzelmann8967]

8:40 woah surprise Pyotor

[@DeconvertedMan]

How to play this of the?! Ink them into the ink well.... got it??????????????

[@RetroMaticGamer]

Yup. Another TCG that couldn't survive to the two-year mark. What a shame Ravensburger botched this up so badly - with the Disney IP behind it, it could have been an EASY contender for the Top 3, but it's always so easy to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory when they prioritize collectors over players.

[@KimchiYeo]

The thing with lorcana is the only offer ONE type of gameplay, they are pretty much copying early magic,wich i'm totally fine with,they need a competitor for the longest time, what Lorcana isn't doing is giving us different ways toplay like example magic's tribal style, with lorcana i was like YES!! i willmake a Ariel tribal deck, but there aren't enough cards of the same colour of ariel to fill an entire deck, not even if i include ursula. Lorcana is releaseing the same cards just in a different vacation type setting instead of making sure there is enough variation, digimon got stamped out of the tcg world pretty fast and i feel the only reason peopel are buying lorcana is because it is disney and nothign much else really. i enjoyed the first few sets i cought everythigni could spend allot of money doing so thinking yes my way to get backinto tcg at an even playing field with everybody else but nobody really played after set 2 people only cameto our gamestore to collect or to resell the cards if they pulled a expensive one...lame. Lorcana needsa new colour and the colours to be more defined in their unique playstyle because with the latest set it all feels exactly the same that its boring...people buy the meta cards build the exact samedeck i don't even play when i see another meta deck...

[@Ratstail91]

So you're saying the game was badly slapped together as a cash-in?

[@SakuraAvalon]

The Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Masters Guide DVD did it better.

[@KimchiYeo]

That tutorial is ridiculous, Bandai ihas actually proper tutorials for all their cards games on ther youtube channel, noneed to buy a goober starter box that isn't really starter friendly.

[@zyro7756]

Say what you want about bushi but their video tutorials are good too. They even get the anime VA’s for those who got interested in the game from the anime

[@AntisaintNAO]

Did you lose weight? Good job

[@TheMasterPooper]

One thing I dislike about Lorcana that I haven't heard anyone else say is that it has too much potential and too little of it is used. One Piece and Pokemon are each one property, but Lorcana is all of Disney (discounting Star Wars and Marvel), however all I see is the animated legacy characters. Imagine they had the Nome King or Homer Simpson for cards. That would bring in way more people and give me a bigger reason as to why I should play a Disney game: that being they are buying from Disney who own everything. But Disney would never do something like that, because the Simpsons, Return to Oz, etc. are either too obscure or aren't family friendly enough to be universally marketed. This seems to be the problem with Disney as a whole recently. Why make something new or something risky when you own the Lion King, and Moana, and Frozen. Making sequels to them or carbon copies (see Wish) warrants zero risk as opposed to making something new with a unique story, characters, and subject matter, which could fail. It's sad to see this unoriginality spread to even licensed products. I guess the fish really does rot from the head.

[@StarkMaximum]

I get what you mean, but if someone tells me "hey, there's a Disney TCG", my first thought isn't "wow, Homer Simpson!", it's fucking Mickey Mouse.

[@hihigocat]

they want the thing to feel thematically cohesive. sure theres something to be said about a massive disney "we own all this" type crossover, but basically nothing simpsons would fit in with the fairytale aesthetic that they are going for.

[@markchang2964]

Hmm

[@thacool101]

Gonna be honest i love Disney but Digimon has better art. Lorcana is like bottom 3 arts for tcg

[@Rayquaza894]

Its lorcana so you know he going to auto hate it

[@GrievelornTCG]

It never had a chance

[@J3Puffin]

He walked through why he dislikes the product at each step and in a way suggesting he’d give the same review of the product if it was for any other game

[@Rayquaza894]

Lol no. Lorcana auto hate. Same for one piece

[@Dunsparce99]

@@Rayquaza894this game is going to die next year, I see no one buying or playing it.

[@noahhayslip9270]

@@Dunsparce99Lorcana is toast.

[@RainShadow-yi3xr]

I'm a little worried that you're letting internet haters get to you. Some of your recent videos have a confrontation tone which undermines their intentions. If you need to take a mental health break, the real fans won't mind.

[@Kohdok]

Really? Pretty sure my last 3 were all pretty positive.

[@noahhayslip9270]

@@Kohdokultra man was awesome. The tone for this soulless game is the correct one.

[@delpeck2067]

This game could have been so much better. Its outdated game mechanics and boring gameplay turned me away from it.