Seven Deadly TCG Sins Followup - The Two Year Curse

Another quick video while I work on the next one. After rambling about something completely unrelated for the first half of the video, I talk a little more about "The Two Year Curse", an affliction unique to games that see a lot of initial success...

[@leonardoodranoel4086]

I love how this series has brought people from all tcgs to one place,feels like meeting people from different cultures and give a a sense of community

[@LORD_OSMYRK]

jajajaaja CX i am from GWENTLANDIA nice to meet you

[@BakuraRyou867]

So true

[@hiygamer]

That's not quite how the lessons worked. In order to play a spell, you had to have a number of lessons equal to the spell's cost, and at least one of your lessons had to match the type of the spell you're playing. This did introduce some interesting options. For example, Professor Mcgonagall was a wizard who game you a free Transfiguration lesson. If she was your starting character, you could get away with not running any transfiguration lessons in your deck and run spells of 3 different types without having to worry about getting the right type of lessons to much.

[@mk1k]

Lol yeah thats actually why she's about to get banned as a starting character cause she basically owns the meta right now. The revival team tried introducing tom riddle to balance it but we will have to see in post-heir of slytherin play lol

[@munchrai6396]

The 2 year curse reminds me of the natural progression of TV shows where most shows want to exceed 2 seasons, but it can be tough to know whether that's pushing the concept too far or not. Definitely depends on the genre and it actually has the opposite tendency where the longest living shows tend to enter an established formula after three seasons

[@Lucy5456b]

Roy battilana: tend to enter an established formula by 3 sessions Phineas:yes yes it does

[@Hexxecutioner]

The 2 year curse applies to numerous comic book titles as well.

[@CoMcDougal]

Yu-Gi-Oh! does have some lore that's not based on the show (Duel Terminal), but not having flavor text on the cards that people actually play really hurts the potential for lore to spread. It's kind of a shame, because the Duel Terminal story seems interesting, just wish it wasn't told exclusively through card art.

[@jmurray1110]

At least. After due has the solo gates that bring it up World legacy in particular has multiple sub gates

[@victort.2583]

Magic doesn't seem interested in returning to Arabian Nights - Mark Rosewater uses the Rabiah Scale to measure how likely they are to return to a world, named after Rabiah (the retconned setting of Arabian Nights) as a world they really don't expect to re-visit. As for Pokémon, BW-era also introduced ACE SPEC Trainers, and XY-era did M-Pokémon EX and BREAK. SM had GX and Prism Star, and the current one is V/Vmax.

[@firekram]

The main reason they won't go back to Rabiah is that it's a straight copy of the source material, odds are pretty good that we will see a "new" Arabinan nights inspired plane, where Zarddenonn lives instead of Aladdin

[@victort.2583]

@@firekram Yeah, that's totally possible. I found one of their articles saying they could do that - similar inspiration, but different worldbuilding. It'd be a spiritual successor to Arabian Nights, which plenty of people probably want, and is likely what Kohdok is getting at. Article, for those interested: magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/rabiah-scale-part-2-2018-11-26

[@hungryhungryhobo196]

The real reason is the suits in the black robes at Hasbro measure which sets make the most money and tell WoTC what to do. I'm sure there are lots of places they would like to return to, but Papa Hasbro has to set new quarterly income records return to return to return to return to Ravnica and sell 5 cards for $400.

[@Izandaia]

@@hungryhungryhobo196 They went to Ravnica for the third time because it's the most popular plane and players love seeing it, you cynical ass.

[@austinreed7343]

@@firekram And then they did that Walking Dead thing, meaning the Rabiah Scale no longer works as it is named...

[@cohenmarioman]

Regarding yugioh I think the anime being successful really helped it out at the beginning because those intro sets all had normal monsters or basis spell/trap cards. Now everything is an effect monster (or extra deck monster) and archetype based spell/traps. Some cards from back then are still useful (staples that are reprinted nowadays) but the card game now is actually probably more complex than magic or Pokémon is. I think the anime really helps people get into it and learn the different mechanics for sure.

[@RyanAtlus]

In hindsight, I think the anime might have actually done it harm in the long run. People who say they enjoyed playing Yugioh only really liked the cartoon where they shot dragons into castles using catapults and completely dismiss the game as it is right now because 'it wasn't like than when they played", but seem to be unaware that Yugioh back then was completely different than how they remembered it.

[@cohenmarioman]

RyanAtlus this is extremely untrue. The game really expanded during the Battle City arc of the anime which changed to the real life rules with very little exceptions. The anime has kept going (GX, 5Ds, Zexal, Arc V. Vrains, Sevens) because the card game has continued to get new life from it.

[@RyanAtlus]

I agree with you on that, but a large majority of people who call themselves the Yugioh anime fanbase are hardcore toxic genwunners who will refuse to touch cards printed after like 2014.

[@cohenmarioman]

RyanAtlus gen1er is a Pokémon term. I’m not sure your source of information but my sources do not concur

[@RyanAtlus]

FB groups like "Classic Yugioh Fans Forever" will paint a different painting. Not saying all of them are like that, but damn.

[@ioaoioaoi]

"lifestyle" card game

[@haosmagnaingram6992]

0:49 the Elric brothers would like to know this Harry Potter’s location

[@Kohdok]

I believe they should be looking for Nicholas Flamel.

[@haosmagnaingram6992]

Kohdok I think they already met him based on the fact that Ed has his crucified snake design on the back of his coat.

[@flufflepants362]

Wasn't Fullmetal Alchemist written before Harry Potter

[@haosmagnaingram6992]

Flufflepants surprisingly, it would appear that Harry Potter was written first FMA went from 2001-2010 while Harry Potter went from 1997-2007

[@chenhan22]

Thanks for this whole series, been really enjoying it so far.

[@markmayonnaise1163]

This concept and the whole timeline works for MMOs too

[@philiphunt-bull5817]

I've played the Harry Potter one with my mom a bunch, even though the game came an went before I was born. We have a big plastic bag of all the cards we have.

[@brendaneichler5244]

I remember playing the HP game with my siblings, and looking back, we were too deep into Magic to realize that you 3-4 subject decks. It felt weird that creatures were exclusive to one 'color'

[@ManuYoCom]

In argentina we used to have this tcg called Inferno. It was a dirt cheap game, like, a whole booster box would be around 30usd, 50usd tops. It really caught up. Then it implemented a really hard set rotation. They changed card backs, card materials and just rendered all cards useless. They tried a kind of eternal format but it just died at that point. 2 years, a bit more maybe but man, I miss those og sets

[@Bladebrent]

I know this is tangential to the video itself, but I completely agree that wasted potential is way worse than just something being bad. It can be frustrating to see an interesting idea for a gameplay mechanic, or a story just kinda fall to the side before its properly explored.

[@charliegryffn]

Hey, I was wondering if you'd ever consider doing a video on the old Adventure Time Card Wars TCG?

[@mamasweet6045]

I really liked it

[@sawderf741]

Floop the PIG!

[@four-en-tee]

I think my brother still owns that game...

[@Ace88Sama]

I would really like to see that

[@revimfadli4666]

The first one and the f2p sequel?

[@Paulxl]

LCG stands for "Living card game". It's a really silly trademarked term that makes no sense.

[@PondoSinatra680]

I don’t think it’s a silly term. If I was describing a new game and told you it’s distributed/sold like an LCG, you would know exactly what I meant.

[@deviaan]

They seem to be aimed at and more popular with the Board Game crowd than the CCG/TCG crowd in my experience, and from that context it does make some sense. They are "living" because they receive regular expansions, which most board games don't have, and those expansions are not sold in randomized packs, which most card games do so calling it a TCG/CCG wouldn't work. I don't know if that makes it the best choice of words, but it always made sense to me. It's also important to remember that "LCG" is a Fantasy Flight trademark (I think WotC used to have TCG?). UDE got in trouble for using the term on the branding for their VS System Relaunch a few years back. The other name for the same concept I've heard was "ECG - Expandable Card Game" which was used by AEG for Doomtown: Reloaded. Ultimately they're just marketing terms to denote the difference in distribution strategies.

[@wdfulton]

Regardless of whether you find the term confusing or not, it's a far more ethical system than buying randomized packs that leads to a less economically-governed meta. Also, Android: Netrunner absolutely eats the lunch of any other card game I've ever played.

[@harrowed777]

@GamerBear Living, evolving, changing, moving out of your mom's basement and having to pay rent so you cant afford to chase the 4 copies of that Mythic you need for your "standard" deck... makes sense to me.

[@celestesimulator6539]

@GamerBear An lcg is a tcg without the collecting part

[@hickknight]

I wish I could revisit why you hate vanguard. I've got no clue atm and all I can find are response videos. Which I kind of dismiss.

[@naomisisk4663]

Well, two big issues with the game are unmixable attributes (which he did a video on), and the fact that the game doesn't really get fun until grade 3 units and by then the game is almost over. I've played vanguard and it's a very linear experience.

[@sagecolvard9644]

In case you haven't found it in the intervening 3 months, here's the video where he explains the main problem: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJiYYWNnlMSWj5I&ab_channel=Kohdok

[@timothymimeslayer]

Mercadian Masques may be considered bad, but so many good cards came from it and it is insane that people don't see that.

[@baron4718]

Harry Potter The Card Game. The only game where knowledge is literally POWER!! Fight your enemies with spells from the hit mov- book series, and enhance your strategies by BUYING OUR CARDS. Harry Potter, the magic is in your bargain bin.

[@ShadowEclipex]

I am glad to hear that I am on the right track for my card game so far

[@magpie1353]

I’ve seen force of will cards in at least one of your other videos and I’m curious about your thoughts on the game

[@kainhighwind2]

From what I've played, it's like 80% Magic.

[@changhyon92]

@@kainhighwind2 with Yugioh mixed in too

[@Stinkoman87]

It's basically Magic, with the mechanical twist being that it stops mana screw by having your lands be in a second deck (that you also have to shuffle), and a flavor twist that all of the characters are waifu-ized versions of public domain characters.

[@kainhighwind2]

@@Stinkoman87 Unless it's a special tie in. I have the Valkyria Chronicles tie in expansion

[@Shippo89]

@@Stinkoman87 Their focus at the start was to give you characters that you know from Myths, Legends, and Fairy Tales. Something familiar with a "Oh, a new story kind of deal?" followed later by introducing their own brand. The Vingolf series (save for VIN3) was meant to be crossovers as well as a good starting point for players with a pile of staples in addiont to new stuff.

[@werewolffindergaming896]

Not gonna lie. Was watching all of these last night and then this morning they announced the end of the transformers tcg. Was almost like I got a heads up from the universe. Was a huge fan of it. So the announcement hit hard. But the signs were there. Sever lack of BNM presence. Interest in the game being passing at best. And many others.

[@TheForeverRanger]

Problem with the Transformers TCG was the lack of tournaments for me.

[@brendancorey7831]

I wasn't able to find packs. I definitely would have played a game, especially as a kid

[@werewolffindergaming896]

@@brendancorey7831 That was one of the biggest problems for me, Pretty much after wave 2. Packs were either non existent or very rare in stores like target or walmart. Pretty much only hobby stores was wither carrying the packs or decks.

[@werewolffindergaming896]

@@TheForeverRanger Same Also didn't help we had so little people show interest in it. We only had 1 sneak peak and 1 tournament, and both had less then 10 people in it. We had a handful of people pass by and learn how to play but never really come back. and the other half was their for the kids and even the kids were losing interest fast.

[@brendancorey7831]

@@werewolffindergaming896 which is why I wish more card games in general made sure stock was in stores. Heck, I hope Sodality gets a physical release in stores, so I can check it out in person. I make games like card and board games for fun, because it's usually just the big 3 and maybe occasionally bakugan where I live.

[@haosmagnaingram6992]

Really hoping Bakugan doesn’t fall into the two year curse. It’s such a great game, I want it to do well but with distribution issues the amount of time it’s taken to get lgs support, and then just the awful timing of the pandemic right when it seemed like things started moving towards dealing with these issues and giving tournament play the support the fanbase desperately wanted. And as you stated in the video the gameplay aspect they are doing things right the game is ambitious trying new things and expanding while not breaking the game, it would just really suck if it was squandered due to issues not even relating to the game itself.

[@Darthmessiah66]

it's just depressing to know that the reboot could die quicker than the original did, and to be honest if the pandemic lasts long enough then it probably will.

[@Yinyanyeow]

It might try to be innovative but if you are not able to play it at all, then what is the point?

[@GeneralNickles]

Let's be real here. Bakugan is doomed. It already died once. It'll happen again. The problem is the spheres. Plain and simple. It's a gimmick that not enough people care about to deal with across the course of a major event.

[@Yinyanyeow]

@@GeneralNickles One thing: Those spheres are the key of the game. It is like removing energy in magic/Pokémon since they are required to power up or use other cards.

[@GeneralNickles]

@@Yinyanyeow that's exactly my point. It's such an integral part of the game that you can't remove it, but it's also the biggest thing holding the game back. The rolling system isn't consistent enough to be a real strategic element. It's not much better than just rolling dice. And most high level players hate random mechanics like that. And on top of that, you have to carry around the damn things. And you have to protect them somehow. And let's not forget the cost. They ain't cheap. It's a whirlwind of bad design. The game is completely fucked. It's only a matter of how long it can stay on life support.

[@draketheduelist]

I remember this game! I remember the original Hermione Granger was *SUPREMELY* busted. As soon as you had four lessons down (probably by bottom of turn 2), you could put down two lessons for a single action. That led to some insane speed from Hermione decks that just ran over everybody else. I ran a Magical Creature / Transfiguration deck that played out tons of creatures really fast and instantly knocked out other creatures. It was pretty nuts. Nothing my brother could build could take it reliably.

[@Ceighk]

I feel like if you want to seriously engage with different ways of making card games, the LCG business model deserves more than a roll of your eyes. Since Netrunner, an easy majority of relatively succesful CCGs have used the LCG model over randomised booster packs - Netrunner being the most obvious example, but also Arkham Horror and FFG's Game of Thrones and LotR games, as well as L5R (though I'm not sure how succesful that has been). It just seems very odd to try and talk about "how to make a succesful trading card game" without acknowledging that step one should be to ask whether or not your design even should be a TCG to begin with, when other business models have proved to be far easier to have success with. (other options that you haven't mentioned include the unique deck system of keyforge, and the 'boardgame' approach of something like 'ashes: rise of the phoenixborn")

[@bakersdozzzen6553]

Thank you

[@Quargos]

Yeah, this is seriously worth discussing. Card games don't need to be implemented as CCGs, and the various possible models all have advantages and disadvantages worth thinking about. For example, FFG's Living Card Game model is a lot better for competitive players, as the cost to be keep up competitively is tiny, being a few hundred for a complete collection, compared to Magic's few hundred for a single deck; but it does have a very real problem of being harder to approach as a casual player, as you can't just buy a bundle of boosters, or play some draft to get into the game, and grow your collection over time.

[@Heardmore]

The problem is that we haven't yet seen any LCG really breaking the 4-5 years curse (which would be equivalent to 2 years curse on a game releasing cards slowlier). This is partly due to FFG strategy but there is most likely limits to the model as well.

[@Ceighk]

@@Heardmore i'm not arguing with that - i'm just saying it's pretty dumb to do a whole video series on card games without even acknowledging any of the games that don't conform to a certain fairly outdated model of what a card game should look like

[@Quargos]

@@Heardmore From my experience playing Netrunner, I seriously don't think that the model really changes the way that the 2 year curse behaves; and am pretty confident that the main reason that no LCG has survived rotation yet is that FFG waited quite a bit too long to initiate rotation, alongside other design issues led to power creep problems that were just starting to rear their heads after the first rotation, when FFG dropped the game, presumably due to a licensing issue. There are definitely advantages and disadvantages to the model, but an impact on how it behaves in relation to rotation and the two-year-curse is not one of them.

[@evilmidget]

I'm surprised that the original DBZ TCG never got a mention when it comes to life decking.

[@Cassapphic]

“Harry potter is in the news for a good reason” this didn’t age well

[@Kohdok]

Yeah, no joke...

[@christianvisperas7438]

What happened?

[@Cassapphic]

Christian Visperas rowling went full terf mode and on Twitter she won’t stop posting transphobic bs literally non stop. Once she did it in response to a father sending her art his 9 year old drew based on a fairy tale she released

[@smonkk8556]

as a huge harry potter fan when i was younger, seeing her finally publicly go off the deep end really hurt. but hey - makes me appreciate all the people creating awesome stuff who dont think me and my friends are hellspawn! every time someone is outed as really bad it always just ends up making me feel better about those who are nice

[@Cassapphic]

Smonkk yeah, the worst case is when I think of other authors who also shaped my childhood who my friends have to tell me also wish I was dead

[@tonypepperoni9252]

I unfortunately recently experienced this first hand with the transformers tcg :-(

[@spencerdowns6892]

Me and my friends as well, we still play the game though

[@Mecha82]

Buddyfight has sadly joined those card games that had good run as Bushiroad announced that they are cancelling Bushiroad after 6 years run. So that's another card game from that they they have dropped leaving only Vanguard and Weiss Schwarz that are both popular in Japan.

[@haosmagnaingram6992]

F

[@dreamwanderer5791]

At least we still have BF:A my brother.

[@ramondee2074]

@@dreamwanderer5791 buddyfight ace is also dead

[@dreamwanderer5791]

@@ramondee2074 good thing that's not what that stands for.

[@ramondee2074]

@@dreamwanderer5791 then what does BF:A stand for?

[@baconlover4741]

Marcadian Mask!!! One of the greatest sets out there

[@guftders]

I love that you're using the soundtrack from Black 2/White 2 from the movie studios

[@woodroeparadee8374]

Is there a issue you have with LCGs beyond random packs are enjoyable, can see this coming off confrontational, but just genuinely interested

[@ineptginger5238]

I imagine it's a combination of opening packs being fun, it keeping players spending money which keeps it in people's minds and trading not being a thing in LCGs.

[@woodroeparadee8374]

That's fair, but I have seen and participated in promo trading, so not completely gone, but i can understand that being an engaging aspect of the hobby that is mostly lost in the LCG model

[@fearanarchy]

LCG/ECGs have a knowledge and skill threshold. The longer they go, andif the format that is jost popular is all sets, then it is too intimidating for new players. Android Netrunner saw this in their final years. LotR LCG keeps pumping because solo can just get stuff and play without their opponent dominating for meta reasons. There never will be a perfect model, as there is always a format, local play, supply, power creep, etc reason around the corners.

[@weckar]

I remember playing Harry Potter... It was too bad that the best strategy involved playing as few lessons as possible and only using low-investment cards.

[@dracog0322]

9:21 Wtf that Pearl moves on her own

[@JohnathanJWells]

The fuck

[@turtleboy1188]

Haunted funko pop

[@axelvillanueva655]

Was about to say that, freaked me out lmao

[@nikvalinsky]

My bad

[@aronneri6389]

Could you do a video on chaotic if you haven't already given the recent possibility of it coming back

[@cashnelson2306]

that backwards mic is absolutely triggering me

[@JikuAraiguma]

...That pearl is moving... Edit: nevermind, he's moving the couch or whatever with his elbow.

[@REfan001]

My Books a Million had the Harry Potter league put on by WotC, it was pretty fun while it lasted. It was the card game I played after Pokemon league ended and before I started playing Yu Gi Oh

[@PaulGaither]

In MtG, you mentioned Masques, and my understanding is that Conspiracy 1 & 2 are the spiritual successors to that in terms of flavor. All of the corrupt court intrigue and so forth. I hope they do a third, or revisit that plane some more.

[@stevenglowacki8576]

Hearthstone reused a TON of Wow TCG art, so yeah, the physical card game was discontinued when Hearthstone was released.

[@sparkgold3852]

in your opinion, gow do you think the new Digimon Card Game looks within the context of two year theory?

[@rayciannello2268]

I must know! Did you ever get into the legend of the five rings CCG? That was an amazing game and way ahead of its time!

[@andrewamann2821]

I've played a bit of L5R, and, whilst it was an amazingly deep game, it suffered from one hell of a learning curve. That said, it was about 10 years and 3 formats before Mtg really "clicked" for me, but I didn't really take it all that seriously during that first while, either. If you like the crunchy elements of L5R, though, and aesthetic isn't a deal breaker, the My Little Pony tcg was actually a lot more interesting than the theming might lead you to believe.

[@addictedtoJB]

I think it also has to do with people's attention span nowadays. You can compare it to a trilogy, if you don't like the first movie; what compels you to watch the 2nd and 3rd (besides watching the ending to be in loop of things). But I think most importantly is that this world is full of card games! Digimon is still strong in Asia, and I would love to have it re-localized.

[@mollymemer]

I would be very interested in seeing your take on Fire Emblem Cipher. Started 2015, ended 2020.

[@kainhighwind2]

I love Universus. It's the game that just keeps on trucking. It's on its third publisher (Sabertooth, then Fantasy Flight, now Jasco) and still going, starting in 2006 as UFS: Universal Fighting System. They recently got the license to My Hero Academia, and we're just waiting for Covid to end so they can release that set. Their contract with Toho says they can't unless they can also hold events. Right now they're talking about another Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat set because they have leftover art from the miniatures game they're doing.

[@harciongaming9122]

Did you make a video about hey you hate Cardfight? I would be down to hear some opinions on it. I’ve heard bits and pieces throughout the videos but it would be neat to see a full argument/overview

[@LightshaverConstellation]

I do have some thoughts on yugioh with how it particularly did innovation in the early years outside of Japan. It was a bit slow to its archetype game, but they did try innovation early, sometimes more subtly then others even if a lot of them wasn't good for tourny play. If you look at the 3rd set spell ruler, you see this is the first set ritual monsters came out in, an attempt at what actually was an archetype in toons (horrible attempt) and the first set to release quick play spell cards. Then the set right after that, Pharaohs servant introduced a lot of things not in the game before. They provided unique continuous effects like Jinzo and thousand eye restrict but also made more cards like gravity bind that help support non beatdown strategies. It wasn't as big as later innovation in the game though once they start making different color card types or even just archetypes before 5ds because with them there always became the idea of how you use or summon with each mechanic vs can you draw a spell card for rituals and with fusions not being that good overall for a while and being in the first set.

[@skull666388]

Luck & Logic died because Bushiroad didn't advertise at all, and didn't really run events. And they were all too ready to replace it with Dracoborn, which lasted what, 2 sets?

[@hollowdusk9550]

Nice video mate.

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

As I listen to these, I am reminded of force of will, which was constantly referred to as “Magic for Poor People.” My local shop refused to stock it because the cards rotated out too quickly and...Yanno, it’s basically Magic, but your Lands are in another deck.

[@tari111090]

What is your opinion on the new Digimon Card Game?

[@biggle_man]

11:43 LOL. Look at Mark Rosewater's Rabiah Scale... it ranks the planes on probability of returning.. and it's named the Rabiah Scale................. based off Mark's opinion that there will never be a return to Rabiah

[@haeilsey]

They don't have the rights to rabiah and that's why we can't return there

[@barongeoffrey75]

@@haeilsey who's got the rights?

[@Zoey587]

I think a Card Game that surprisingly lasted a bit was the My Little Pony Card Game. Didn't have a big following yet lasted since 2013 with another set coming soon

[@thesacredlobo]

Oddly enough I actually tried that game out for a while, but quit around the time of the third or fourth set. I just couldn't find a lot of people to play against in my local area. And when the only group I knew of dried up I decided to move on. In all honesty, I haven't found a new card game to get into at the moment. I'm really not interested in getting back into Yu-Gi-Oh! and a lot of the Magic players in my area have a reputation for %$#%#@$ over newer players. And, I really don't want to get back into Pokemon for similar reasons to why I avoid Yu-Gi-Oh!.

[@Bored_Barbarian]

I really like the Rebels of Mercadian Masques. I have a Lin Sivvi commander deck 😂

[@j453]

Good points, good vid.

[@Gaming_Nerd1993]

No Kohdok, I think Homelands was one of the biggest bombs of MTG.

[@razzendahcuben]

Homelands is almost universally considered the worse set ever. Incredibly dull and underpowered cards, mechanics that didn't interact with any other card in the set, etc. Barring Homelands from the discussion, Fallen Empires and Mercadian Masques are contenders. Masques in and of itself was not terrible, but when juxtaposed against Urza's block, it was too far a departure from MTG at point. MTG needed to downshift, but Masques took it too far, sold very poorly, and lost them a lot of players at that time. I was one such player. I played heavily Tempest - Urza's block, then quit for several years with Masques.

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

Homelands did really, really poorly, but for the most part you can't go to the oldest stores and ask for packs of Homelands at discount. You can, occasionally, for Fallen Empires.

[@stevenglowacki8576]

@@TheShinyFeraligatr That's because Fallen Empires was ludicrously overprinted. Supposedly in response to the shortages stores experienced when ordering the first few sets, stores generally intentionally inflated their orders for FE which made WotC think they needed to print way more than people actually would buy, and finally was able to meet the supposed demand. I don't think the set overall was any weaker the the previous ones, with the exception being that the best cards were commons, which is a good explanation of how a set can be good but not sell massive amounts - people didn't need to buy massive amounts to get the good cards.

[@fearanarchy]

Homelands, FE, Mirrodin, Kamigawa, Ixlan wasn't great. It is usually their De-power, or ultra-focused sets that screw stuff up. Too much theme sucks for tournament. Not enough supported archetypes sucks for casual. Too thin and too divergent hurts. Like MTG has quite a lot of issues as a whole. It is woefully outdated these days but too much money invested to change

[@TheAlmightyGameGenie]

Can you elaborate what you meant by a 2 action system? My first thought is something like Transformers TCG which limits you to an action and upgrade for the turn (unless you play cards to extend your plays and play extra actions/upgrades) but am not familiar with Lightseekers so wanted to see what you meant

[@Kohdok]

Basically you can only do two things on your turn after you draw, like play a card or use a power on a card. Playing a Resource Card is an action, which is one of the reasons why it was a poor fit for Harry Potter, as it cut your action down to 1 if you alternated between resources and other cards.

[@TheAlmightyGameGenie]

@@Kohdok Ah, I see. Generally I like two action economy in games since it prevents 10 minute turns of comboing over and over again, but I can see the issue of making resource plays into an action as well.

[@Zanji1234]

at the start of your turn you draw a card... after that you can do TWO things: - draw a card, play a spell, play a lesson, play a creature (you could do one thing twice though).... some cards needed two actions like an adventure (which where like...permanents... field spells kinda.. they affected both players mostly though your opponoement and only one could be active) or play another character (which was rarely done).

[@sawderf741]

@@TheAlmightyGameGenie i see that in yugioh a lot evan as a more casual player

[@Saibrock]

Why do you roll your eyes with disdain at the idea of LCGs? It's a really consumer-friendly business model, with so many advantages over TCGs that I've actually sword off of all games with random boosters.

[@Kohdok]

LCGs have their problems, too. Minimum $60 buy-in full of a ton of cards I neither want to use nor can trade for what I DO want would be one of them.

[@hyperlink6547]

wait, why doesn't Kohdok like Cardfight Vanguard?

[@brittanynguyen3794]

We’ll never know... because he never told us.

[@justanotherguywithoutamust5776]

I think he explained it before, a long long time ago with buddyfight

[@mamasweet6045]

@@justanotherguywithoutamust5776 the videos name why I hate vanguard he deleted it

[@GeneralNickles]

Because it's vanguard. It's a trash game based on an even worse anime. It's trying SO DAMN HARD to be Yu-Gi-Oh while trying to ignore all the things that people actually like about Yu-Gi-Oh.

[@creepyasgramdpa9916]

maxie fuqua no he didn’t like vanguard because how lack of diversity and some cash grab from companies to sell. Which is all card game. But that all card games. But he probably hates it because he doesn’t have cardfight In local stores.

[@ShinkuDragon]

Interesting how i find you after learning that after 5 years a tcg i enjoy is ending. Its a nintendo tcg based on their fire emblem franchise. Which is weird considering the fire emblem games themselves have been selling particularly well, and the tcg is only out in japan (had to import my cards)

[@joshuasims5421]

I played the Harry Potter TCG when I was a kid, I loved it!

[@logan_wolf]

I suppose Force of Will fell to the 2-year curse? Bummer. Political nonsense of Wizards aside, one other thing that made me enjoy Force of Will more than Magic was the redistribution of the resource system to its own deck, similar to what Hearthstone has, except you could skip a turn on drawing "mana" to put your commander into play. I get constantly screwed over by bad luck in Magic in terms of land draws, and before anyone says it, I've tweaked and adjusted lands in my decks til I'm blue in the face, and I still get screwed. In fact, I've had people use my own decks against me and they don't seem to get screwed at nearly the same rate I do *with the same decks*. It's just bad luck, and I like that Force of Will mitigates that. Oh well.

[@chromedragozoid]

Transformers the TCG got hit by the 2 yr curse

[@Ecktor]

Just realized, this series doesn’t have a playlist, nor is it properly numbered. Is this, like, #3/7? I was going chrono, but this doesn’t look like a “sin”, more like the overall implication of the sins. 😞

[@StarDragonJP]

Wish we got more __'s Pokemon type cards. Loved the Gym Leaders set.

[@crait]

One of the issues with the Pokemon TCG in the early fays was that they continually made newer cards incompatible with newer cards. For instance, Erika's Vileplume could not evolve from Gloom. Only Erika's Gloom. I think there were some slight upsides, and, of course, you can use newer cards alongside older cards, but I think that was a mistake that they largely overcame. They haven't done something similar in a while, except for a few exceptions, like Radiant Pokemon, but that is a different story.

[@sawderf741]

Yugioh has some insane cards that have insane summoning conditions and i think they give the players deck building challenges for a great amount of fun.

[@ultraatari9298]

The irony is were it not because it was a show specifically designed to sell cards rather than a show based off the cards, it would've died out in the first two years because the bare bones of yugioh was just normal summon big beaters and trap/flip monster trolls. Tributing monsters was typically a waste of time unless they were big enough which even than mirror force and things meant you'd rather just consistently bring out level 4 beaters, fusion was at the time NOT worth a fuck and relegated into the same category as ritual where it was throwing around a bunch of card resources for nothing So basically it's first ever set had power creep where there was no reason to play Sango the dark butthole clown with 1300atk if genie the Arabic racist had 1800atk. As effects really weren't implemented yet because people didn't give a shit enough about the game to read off a buncha effects, nor did they want to implement hard mechanics like type disadvantage like they do for pokemon and did do in the original manga and anime adaptation because again, they didn't know if this would work

[@thesacredlobo]

@@ultraatari9298 - I'd argue the more ironic part is that the "My Little Pony: Collectible Card Game" had a bigger emphasis on modifying the base game with it's early expansion sets than Yu-Gi-Oh! did.

[@drawingfaith9981]

@@ultraatari9298 funnily enough, yugioh actually didn't start as a way to sell cards. the original manga started 3 years before the first set in japan (1996 vs 1998 for the bandai game, 1999 for the konami one we know now), and takahashi was originally gonna have 'magic and wizards' only appear in the story two times before seeing the reception of it. it was just a story he wanted to tell but yeah, it likely continued after dm just to sell cards

[@LoftyLazerus123]

No one mentioned that your talking to a turned off mic?😜

[@Trashloot]

The mic is turned on. Just facing the wrong direction. The red mute led flashes if the mic is actually muted.

[@Heroduothecomedian]

Can you or have you done a video as to why you hate card fight? I love it and the anime.the only thing that bugged me about it was the reboot of the anime and then the card game to follow suit

[@Viviantoga]

It's funny to me thinking of The Spoils and how it effectively had two years' worth of product but ended up spacing it out over like five years due to some really bad company decisions and a lot of financial issues, so it really never had the chance to fall into the proper Two Year Curse like most other examples.

[@fearanarchy]

I too was never sure its status when we were picking it up. Was it alive? The final set was releasing. Was it dead? No one carried it in a LGS near me. In the end it was too hard to play a MTG-refined game so we didn't go far.

[@templephilosophy405]

I hope they have the floyd mayweather reading on it!

[@valroniclehre193]

I made a game that fell to the two year curse. It was tiny even as indie goes but it sold more than well enough to pay for itself and expand. Sadly, as a one person operation, I just couldn't keep up with the artwork.

[@Kohdok]

As they say in the music biz: "You have a lifetime to write your first album, and a year to write the second." It's rough.

[@Isolated_Inception]

This series has given me an idea to create my own card game.. It's going to go horribly, but I know what to avoid at least

[@aseofspades4802]

Arabian nights happens in Dominaria, mtg's original and main plane. They didn't start doing all the multiverse stuff until a few years later

[@sadnibba4070]

It actually takes place on Rabiah which is its own plane. I think at the time of release the concept of the multiverse and planes was still not super flushed out, but it was meant to be it’s own world.

[@greyborg3846]

Do you think it makes a big difference if a game has self contained lore?

[@Stinkoman87]

I would say no. Of the top three, one has deep, self contained lore (Magic), one has a wierd mix of self-contained lore and whatever the show is doing at the time (Yu-Gi-Oh), and one has no lore aside from whatever is else is going on in the franchise at the time (Pokemon). That being said, Magic didn't have any lore that went beyond the card-by-card level starting out, so of you are making a game and are wondering if you need to do some worldbuilding first, I say don't worry about it.

[@Lunatyk5th]

I've never thought of LCGs as something weird. I thought of them as a natural progression of TCGs to go away from the trading model where you focus on buying/getting cards and moving into actually playing the game... but then, I'm not into any sorts of meta and tournament-style competitive play to begin with.

[@foyoGames]

RIP Transformers

[@jawstrock2215]

Nobody remembers Star Wars TCG ;_;

[@RetroMaticGamer]

Pepperige Farm remembers... and, sadly, so do I.

[@josevelajr]

Team Covenant did a video or two with gameplay.

[@fearanarchy]

Deciper was too ahead of its time. It died because WotC bought the license. Literally the only reason, they were up to date on the films and were working the expanded universe. WotC has a lot of dead games in their bag.

[@c.d.dailey8013]

It is cool to innovate. Pokemon innovates by having a new region and new Pokemen every few years or so. The main place this occurs is the video games. That is the heart of the franchise. Then the trading card game gets new cards based on the new video games. Genwunners will whine and cry about the new Pokemon and the new games. Now I see that Nintendo did the right thing when I innovated with new games. It was healthier. The most radical one I played is the Sun and Moon video games. They did away with Pokemon gyms and replaced them with some kind of island challenge. I liked that. It was a breath of fresh air. As for Magic the Gathering, it is wierd. It get so freaking bizarre. I have seen a lot of fantasy worlds, because I am such a fantasy nerd. Magic the Gathering has the wierdest world by far. I think the only one that would be wierder is the Wonderland in Alice in Wonderland. That is the one that gets the hallucination jokes. The multiverse of Magic the Gathering is very delitgtful. I like the wierd twists and turns it goes through. It is a sanbox to imagine things. There is so much incredible and diverse world building. However there is enough constant rules so there isn't utter chaos. Planeswalkers are the only beings that can go to vastly different places. Each world is divided according to five colors. The first realm I got into was Ravnica. I thought it was the basic one. Later I learned that Dominaria was basic. I think of Ravnica as being the world that has a Game of Thrones Theme. I am not shure whether anyone else nothiced. Ravnica is totally like Game of Thrones. Both have a group of different factions with different symbols and values. Both set of factions go through war and political games to rule the world. Then there is so much more. Eldraine has a fairy tale theme. Theros has a Greek myth theme. Ikoria has a beast theme. Zenikar has a Lovecraft theme (At least I think it is. Zenikar has some terrifying eldrich abominations that look like they come from Lovecraft). Amonket has an Egyptian myth theme. Kaladesh looks like steam punk or science ficion, but prettier (if that makes sense). Innistrad is horror. Tarkir is Asian. That stuff is odd. Maybe I ought to step up my game for my own world building.

[@turtleboy1188]

Bro your funko pop is haunted

[@Manda_Kat]

If anyone is afraid of ruining their game, it'll definitely be more ruined by cancelation than it will with a bad series

[@ahdee5418]

Notch is that you?

[@CStacks]

Gotta love him throwing down a million cards at the beginning that we cant see. Some editing there would have been nice.

[@TheIronicRaven]

I'm still surprised by how poorly HPTCG did. It seemed like with an IP that hot (for when it came out) it should have lasted a bit longer. I would have put it at the 5 year for my prediction. While the game had its pitfalls, the core was pretty fun and it had a lot of gameplay variety. It even started branching out really early with new mechanics. Mechanically it's not as "tournament ready" as pokemon, but considering the IP and fun mechanics it just seemed like it should have done slightly better. But my feelings are far from reality lol. I imagine the sales probably weren't as good as they were expecting.

[@calicocat6587]

1:25 "You need to spend action to play resources" Umm

[@tocuaanan7636]

I see the problems in harry porter the game were way to slow

[@dammit066]

I wish duel masters was reintroduced into the tcg again.

[@wally4golly]

it was, Kaijudo Rise of the Duel Master...

[@ramondee2074]

@@wally4golly then it died 2 years later

[@HazmanFTW]

What are you talking about with Mercadian Masques being regarded as the worst set? Everyone knows that Homelands is the worst. From what I understand it just wasn't received well at the time coming off the back of Uzra's block

[@bmhedgehog2]

Sonic X tcg/ccg was DOA. I bought it as I'm a Sonic fan, but I feel like I'm the only one who bought the starter set.

[@michaellittle7522]

Tbh I haven't seen meta x product anywhere. At all. At panini had dbz product in stores like target but Ive never seen physical meta x

[@NotBamOrBing]

2001 did indeed last about a year

[@whyjon2990]

they censored harry potter to say sorcerers stone? silly

[@Yinyanyeow]

Must be hard to tell how mixing elements is a sin.

[@Mio_Takahashi_]

Yo, so I’ve wanted to make a card game for a very long time. God Save the Queen. Each turn you may play 1 creature or monster card with no cost whatsoever other than what’s on the card, and you may play one action or ‘spell’ without a cost lest the card says so. All actions are ‘instant’ speed unless something states otherwise, so during your opponent’s turn you may also play one action. Your goal is to get your opponent’s life total to zero. You also have ‘Queens,’ which are like a field spell you start with that has abilities or static effects that can impact the game. Anyhow, those are the three kinds of cards. Creatures/monsters, actions, and queens. I’ve been stuck on like, what kinda life total one should have, and also the stats your average beater should have, creature with an awesome ability have... So like, do you have tips on figuring out not the mechanics or whatever but just the numbers?

[@Mio_Takahashi_]

I guess, I’m wondering if the numbers should define the cards or the cards define the numbers? Idk lol

[@vitorlaet9983]

I'm making a card game aswell... I think the average beater power should be 1/4th or 1/5th of the life total like it is in magic or ygo, but that depends of how your combat works and how easy is to deal damage... And about the total life points, just choose an arbitrary number that you feel it'll work, at first, then test the game and adjust the number. That's what I'm going to do...

[@razelock2647]

card fight voldemort! LMAO XDXD

[@daniilloza400]

Why do you dislike caedfight vanguard so much?

[@gabbathehut3235]

mercadian masques is not at all the least popular magic set. It's not even in the top 20 least popular sets...

[@justanotherguywithoutamust5776]

What about buddyfight though with how it is now and since it's made by the same company as vanguard

[@kainhighwind2]

Buddyfight's dead.

[@scorpions7153]

2:16 so it's like Weiss Schwarz

[@WaXX69420]

Weiss Sharts lmfao