How I started MIXING on HEADPHONES!

[@KohleAudioKult]

Who's mixing with headphones? Which cans do you use?

[@irwanboroofficial]

For me, the result of mixing on headphones is not the same as listening to it when using a cellphone, it's better when using headphones

[@wareloski2137]

Audio-Technica ATH-AVA400, cause I'm poor. But it gets job done.

[@CrushingAxes]

I use an old AKG 414p most of the time, but then I also check on an Audio Technica ATH40, and on every system available! 😂😂🤣🤣

[@irwanboroofficial]

​@@wareloski2137 thanks , i don't have much money to buy it , i only use KRK Kns 8400 dan ATH 40X 😅

[@barsyuksel62]

I use Sony mdr7506 for years. İt works for me.

[@Producelikeapro]

Great video Kristian! We love our Audeze headphones! It's a huge lift for me while mixing on headphones!

[@Gabbanadj]

Do you eq them or use sonarworks ?

[@yorshoffmix]

I love my LCD-X 2021. Very impressive headphones. I can use them without any software correction, but with Acustica Audio Sienna I feel like I'm in a nice studio with really good speakers. Another scenario that makes me love headphones more than loudspeakers is not mentioned in the video - when the war in Ukraine started (I'm from Ukraine) I had to dismantle my beautiful studio because there was a good chance that invaders would loot it and it was impossible for me to take many things with me to a shelter except a pair of headphones and a laptop. Here I am, more than a year after this story began, and I'm really glad I have a great pair of Audeze because without my studio they're a blessing.

[@loredanamassini9484]

How can i work Whit you? I Will gladly help you ... Im from Italy

[@abidmadeit]

How are you and the studio doing now?

[@yorshoffmix]

​@@abidmadeit I'm still alive, thank you. My studio is still dismantled and I have no idea if I will be able to get it working again or not. Only time will tell.

[@abidmadeit]

@@yorshoffmix That's good to hear. I presume you aren't back home?

[@yorshoffmix]

@@abidmadeit Noup. The war isn't over yet, so it's not safe to return back home.

[@churchusa]

I have both the LCD-X (2021) and the MM-500. For distorted guitars the MM-500 gets fatiguing after a while for me, there is too much energy around 3KHz. So I prefer the LCD-X for metal. Having more than 25 pairs of headphones I still prefer to use my Focal Clear Pro (original, not the new MG version which I also own) for mixing. They translate the best for me. I have way more expensive headphones but the Focal Clear just makes the cut. I also find them really comfortable for long sessions which is very important too. Something I can't say about the MM-500, too much clamp force. I have the SPL Phonitor 2 headphone amp which has the crossfeed matrix, but I seldom use that function. I'm more used to how music sounds on headphones without crossfeed. I mix 95% on headphones and just make some checks on different speakers now and then. I have a way too small room for speakers and have a null at 70Hz at my mixing position so headphones are the way for me. My real problem now is that I have too many headphones. Hey, I'm sick. I need help :D

[@gorantovic1473]

Hi, please could you tell me how would you compare HD600 with Focal Clear Pro? Tonal balance, translation, transient response? I mix on HD600 more than 10 years, and I am looking for something next, but with honest translation, midrange etc. I thought that MM500 would be the best, but you stopped me with your review. Thank you!

[@churchusa]

@@gorantovic1473 I don't have the HD600, but I do have the HD6XX and HD660S. What the whole Sennheiser series lacks is good bass extension (haven't heard the new HD660S2). Focals are better there, but I would say that both LCD-X and MM-500 are even slightly better, being planar. Comparing HD6XX vs Clear Original: The HD6XX are more laid back. In a straight comparison I would even say that they feel a little bit muddy. Clear has more energy in high mids and treble, which sometimes can feel harsh on some songs. Clears have more resolution and it's easier to pick up details. But it's not like night and day. I would also think that the HD600 sounds closer to the Clear. The HD6XX/650 are supposed to be a more laid back version of the HD600, with a little more bass and less treble. The Clear have a little bigger soundstage than the HD6XX, but for an open back it's still somewhat small. But for mixing I think a smaller soundstage is preferable. That said I really like my HD6XX, they are really comfortable and sound good. If things sounds off/bad on them I know there is something wrong with the mix. Great value for the money and replacement parts are easy to get hold of if one should need so. There's a reason why the HD600/650 are classics. The same thing can't be said about the Clears though. A pair of replacement pads go for crazy money, 150-200 Euros! That's one reason why I chose the Pro version. The sound signature is the same as the none pro version. But with the Pro version you get a extra pair of pads (with the none pro you get a balanced cable instead). Now days I think it's hard to get hold of the original Clear Pro (none MG version), but the none Pro has gone down in price since the launch of the Clear MG version. If I just want to listen to music I´ll choose the LCD-X over Clear, MM-500 and HD6XX. They are engaging and music comes alive. With all that said you should try both the MM-500 and the Clear before you make your decision. We all hear things differently.

[@churchusa]

@@user-us6qf3tv4y I don't have the LCD-2, but the LCD-X. Many of my headphones are cheaper than those, there's a spread from lets say 100€ to 5000€ among them. But I usually try to buy stuff when there's a discount. Also, I don't have kids. The best way to save money for stupid toys for yourself :D

[@churchusa]

@@user-us6qf3tv4y Already have a great DAC in the RME ADI-2/4 Pro SE 😉 But talking a bit seriously; having too many headphones becomes an issue when you want to mix on them. It would be much better if I would stick to one good pair and listen to music always through them. That way I would be much much more familiar with what sounds "right" when mixing. But headphones are a hobby for me, and they don't take as much space as instruments. Can't buy anymore instruments 🤣

[@churchusa]

@@salut9658 I think the DT 1990 has a bit wonky frequency response. I did a mix with them a couple of years ago. If I remember correctly I didn't like how my mix translated to other systems. But I'm sure one could get great mixes with them with more time and practice. I still have them in my collection and I liked to listen to music with them back in the days. But now they don't get much of my time.

[@Дмитрий_Асанов-Бессонов]

Thank you for the information. 1) you have a very good simple understandable English speech. As a foreigner, it's easy for me to understand aloud what you're talking about. 2) you successfully described my feelings about headphones. I couldn't logically explain it to myself, but it's really better to bring them together when a room in the house is not prepared, when there are standing waves and other troubles in it

[@KohleAudioKult]

Great to hear that! I guess my English is simple because I’m German, haha! 🤧

[@metal571]

Indeed the LCD-X is specifically designed to be highly efficient and doesn't take much power at all to get very loud. Glad you are enjoying that. There is a new successor to the Mobius called the Maxwell that I'm looking forward to trying soon myself too

[@666dreamboat]

God, I love seeing you around, metal. Hope you're all good, man.

[@mikedergalev]

not mobius but rather penrose.

[@nick6505]

I started mixing on Yamaha hs 80m, but then I decided that I needed a mobile studio, I bought Beyerdynamic DT 1990 PRO and the realphones plugin, the main advantage is the ability to take the studio with you anywhere and not disturb anyone, it 's just very convenient, you can work wherever you want. Once upon a time I had expensive amplifiers and drums and it was a pain in the ass, but now you can completely create music with only a computer, sooner or later we all accept new technologies because they make our lives easier🍻🍻🍻🍺🍺🍺

[@soundclosetstudio]

Nowadays I often start my mixing with headphones(beyerdynamic DT990PRO) and finish them in my studio on the Kali LP6.

[@davejohnsonmusic]

Your enthusiasm and overview of these is making me very curious. Gonna have to try them out someday.

[@jdsmobiledisco1068]

Due to circumstances I’ve always mixed using headphones. The mix would sound fantastic on the headphones but would translate poorly to everything else, which was extremely frustrating. I then invested in a pair of LCDX headphones and the difference is unbelievable. My mixes now translate extremely well on other sound systems and headphones. Well worth the investment and a lot cheaper than acoustically treating a room and buying top end speakers.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Wow! Very happy to hear this. Enjoy!

[@whatistruth_1]

You don't need room treatment(anymore than simply having furniture) if your speakers have good directivity. Best of all good speakers with good directivity are only becoming cheaper.

[@MrBikboi]

I'm a MDR7506 guy, been using them forever, I listen to music on them all the time, if I'm on my pc they're on my head.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

yea lol those are not comparable

[@alchemyst2000]

Good enough for Andrew Scheps

[@officialdiomer]

@@alchemyst2000true but he also uses Audeze headphones from what I’ve seen. I just got some MM-100’s after using 7506’s for almost 10 years, and I’m hearing details I never heard in music before. I still have the 7506’s because they’ve been here for me and have held up wonderfully (just changed the ear cups after a while), and for tracking, but it’s just better to upgrade if you wanna mix and master at home. I can’t justify the LCD-X price yet but upgrading to something you’ll use every day can definitely be super helpful

[@melissabell585]

Nice! I went with the MM-500s because I mostly mix on Barefoots in my room, and I find the voicing on the MM-500s to be fairly similar (though not identical) to the Barefoots running flat out, so it’s easy for me to transition between them. Love Audezes!

[@davidtrapani8751]

Ive got the mm500s they have changed everything

[@nils2660]

Yes I got them too they are incredible

[@harryxiro]

For me the Sonarworks reference app helps a lot and you could own a cheap-ish pair of headphones and it will improve the sound quite a bit. For me thats the game changer since it's a cheaper alternative to buying really expensive headphones.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

no, that ruins everything, software like this works A LOT better on planar as well. those adjustments ruin everything

[@sacrednothing]

Dude, I'm BEGGING you to stop interjecting that riff every 60 seconds. This is the third video of yours I've watched and I feel like I've heard it 40 times already. Driving me nuts.

[@christopherkiyui8071]

I came hear after watching someone who kept interjecting with the "f" word so profusely in every sentence. I will listen a while more.

[@PsychoMath]

I’m rarely complaining about things on video, but you’re right, I’m a metalhead but that heavy riff drive me nuts too, I felt anxiety, which is rare 😬😬😬

[@kraquehaus]

I usually don’t chime in, but I have to full heartedly agree with this comment! Your video would be much better if you removed the seemingly random metal riff and attached video (and I know EXACTLY why you are doing it, but it is failing to deliver what you are trying to dish out). I hate to just complain, so let me offer up a potential solution: -First, create a LOT of quick riffs that can be used like this. One of the main problems with the use of this riff is the repetition. If you create a library of them and pull from them RANDOMLY (and that is KEY! If you just go down the list, you’ll end up using the first one ALL THE TIME.) -Make sure that these breaks have a very definitive purpose with their placement and make the video you use representative of said use. So, in this video, I would create one of these breaks every time you talk about a specific headphone. Have a 1s video with a riff play that SHOWS the headphones you are introducing along with their name and price. This way, it is not repetitive AND it has viable content that the viewer actually wants to see, all while giving you that break you are trying to deliver! Since you are effectively using a new riff each time it just creates a vibe rather than creating a singular sound that repeats every single time. -You can probably have the graphics zoom in or do some other fancy foot work, but have it resolve into something that you can display along side the portion of the video where you are discussing that hardware (in this case; in other cases it could just be some point you want to drive home-I.e., my suggested modifications would be able to be used for every video you produce!). -I’m sure I could pull more rabbits out of this hat, but that trick never works, Bullwinkle!!! (Sorry, based upon your accent and likely age, the probability of that reference landing is pretty low, and even if you look it up, it will completely take away from the fun! LOL) Point being, I think you get my point and I dont need to elaborate more for you to understand and extrapolate into whatever you feel is important and relevant to your use case.

[@ViN-EzL]

Loool true, its already twice in the first minute 😂😂

[@ryanhursh6322]

Couldn’t agree more. You get to use that riff once after the intro. Anymore than that the video needs to be pulled down from KZbin for eardrum violation. Couldn’t make it through the video.

[@borndrumming1972]

I am a combo guy myself...I will mix 90-95% in my KRK Rokit 7 Gen 3. I use the phone app to calibrate the angle. Once I have the mix where I start to like it, I will check the mix against my Beyerdynamic DT770 PRO cans...the trick here is that you make sure to purchase your headphones from a source/retailer/manufacturer that has more than one impedance available. The set I currently own are 80 ohm. If you want to get the most out of your system (and it has the power to do so), choose a model with 600 Ω Impedance. I don't use headphone amplifiers in my studio, so I went for the 80 instead of the 250. I would love to check those out. Putting them on the to-do list.. 18 Ω 32 Ω Smartphone, tablet, MP3 player, laptop 80 Ω Several studio uses, laptop, PC, Hi-Res-MP3 player 250 Ω Headphone amplifiers, stereo systems, audio interfaces, studio are 600 Ω High-end headphone amplifiers PROST!

[@mohitrahaman]

Heck I mix on my ChiFis and everyone losing hair how detailed and balanced my mixes are. Even I'm surprised lol.

[@ackzz]

I like your quote - “Mixing on a great sounding pair of headphones is way better then mixing in a shitty sounding room”. I agree with you 100%. I moved from my home to an apartment and I can’t get my studio to sound right. It was sounding perfect in my home and translated well to other speaker systems when testing. I find my self using the headphone more than the studio monitors, I switch back an forth but, mostly use the headphone. I did my last 15 releases using mostly headphones - cheers!👍👍👍

[@GingerDrums]

I find giving the LCD-X a judicious 2-4db broad low and high shelf corrects them incredibly well and just jaw dropping

[@midnightsocean2689]

I've been forced to mix on phones for years. I find I still need to do a final check on real speakers but in general, if you know what you're doing, you can get decent mixes on cans. You can even get away with cheaper ones but ONLY if you are experienced enough to compensate for the typical imbalances phones can have.

[@particlejim]

I exclusively mix with headphones, not even super high end headphones tbh Everyone tells me i need something like sonarworks to give my headphones a flat frequency response buuut the headphones I use for mixing are also the headphones I use for casual everyday listening so I'm already intimately familiar with how "professional" mixes are supposed to sound in my cans Part of me worries that if I used software to make my headphones have a flatter response I'd start making weird mixing decisions trying to compensate for my headphones no longer responding the way I'm used to IDK if that's a dumb opinion but i kinda feel like you can do a great mix on just about any cans or speakers as long as you're very familiar with how they respond, if you mix on the same gear you use for everyday listening you'll almost subconsciously be treating everything you hear as a reference track

[@particlejim]

Currently I'm using Soundpeats A6 headphones and I gotta say they are great value for money, I've used everything from little JVC in ears to an Amazon Basics gaming headset and still been able to get decent mixes once I'm familiar with how they sound though Also it helps that I produce/mix everything from techno to death metal to hip hop so I have a really wide range of references to test my headphones frequency response in as many different directions as possible and become super familiar with how they behave Also they have a noise cancellation button which I regularly toggle on and off when mixing because they have a totally different frequency response curve, if my mix sounds good in both modes then it will sound good on pretty much anything

[@HR2635]

the best monitoring system is the one you know the best!.. its that simple. Even cheap headphones work if you know how they respond and you know how to make mixes translate using the sound the headphones produce!

[@officialdiomer]

Nah you’re good fam, if you know them so well and your mixes are translating well, you got the best of both worlds 🙌🏽

[@battmanvonrichtoven]

I really started getting serious about mixing a year ago, (I’m not doing it professionally yet) but I have been exclusively mixing on headphones using Sony MDR 7506’s. I watched a video with Andrew Scheps and that was what he was using. So I thought why not and right now they are very affordable. I think like you said once you figure out what works you are good to go. I do want to try the Audeze’s so I will save some money and buy some. I don’t have a space to set up a good room so headphones make my life better.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

not comparable at all. there are audeze mm-100 which are super affordable, like 400 bucks.

[@officialdiomer]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vlyeah I just went from 7506 to MM-100 and there’s definitely a big difference. Do the best you can with what you got. I can’t justify the LCD-X but I did try them at a store and they’re awesome. Best thing to do is try any headphones you’re interested in at a store, bring your 7506’s with you and compare with music you really like the mixes on

[@didiermeynders]

Since I have the Focal Clear MG Pro, I never mixed with monitor again. Ok, I am a nomad so I don't have monitors anymore, but even if I would have them, these headphones are so detailed, no room treatment needed, just the best for me.

[@SkullCrusherStudios]

I'm happy with my AKG K701. I use a plugin called DearVR MIX on my monitoring chain. It has an option, which compensates for the non-linearities of different headphones. I absolutely love how it sounds. Since it's virtual technology, there is also the possibility to check the mix in a kitchen or car environment.

[@adirsab]

I didnt like DearVR when tested it. didnt sound natural. maybe I should have it another try.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

you might check out the austrian audio hi-x 60 as well. they are the kind of real successor. i have the hi-x55 which have the same strong driver but with a closed back. i needed a very good headphone for DJing. and this one did the trick. when you use the headphone in a louder environment, you turn the volume higher as well. and this is where the difference to other headphones is. other headphones get closer to the maximum excursion of the driver, especially with louder bass. this area is not that linear anymore and the mid and high frequencies then compress and begin to distort. the austrian audio have a higher excursion way that is still linear. that is really great for higher volume and loud deep base without distorting the midrange or high frequencies. therefore listening fatigue is less. i have the k702 from akg and loved it, but they where always thin in the bass. the AA HI-X55 have more power in the bass area without sounding unnatural boomy by adding an artificial resonance. i did not try the HI-X 60 so far but i am pretty sure that they can deliver an even more detailed soundstage because of their open back nature.

[@miguelmikemigs]

I mix on ATHm40x. Gets me really really reliable results. I know that if I can make it sound good in these cans it'll come out good on commercial systems. But the thing I wish most is that I wish I could hear the vocals outside of my head. Soundstage man.

[@xenoblader4521]

Thank you soo much for this video. I constantly get into arguments with people who like to follow the tradition of typical "studio" headphones and hate/avoid "hifi"/"audiophile" headphones, without even trying them once. This is such a valiable lesson about trying out different equipment rather than blindly making an opinion :)

[@Optimoe89]

Currently looking for a proper pair of mixing headphones. This Video has helped a lot, thanks!

[@Flysonfame]

really appreciate your honest thoughts about this.

[@moonsofjupiter]

Cool to see you so pleased with LCD X 2021s. I’m an electronic musician and addicted music lover. Mixing and creating music on the X is perfect for me. I need the full low end complemented with the other frequencies and the X gives me that. Can easily tell if something is off. If you like iems, the Symphonium Meteors are the iem little brother of the X 2021s. At about half the price these little guys have a big sound. they might even let you leave the big cans at home when traveling.

[@progressivelibertarian2570]

Been using LCD-X but all I can trust with them is the low end. I switch back to Sennheiser HD-600 for everything else. Too whacked out in the 2-4K area. Used to EQ them but now I just use them as a reference. I wanted to be able to mix/master on headphones exclusively but so far, can’t do it. My big Dunlavys are not with me now so I’m using these inexpensive JBL 306-Ps plus 3 pairs of headphones.

[@jaredlucow]

Do you think the mm500s would be a more one headphone solution? I've got the hd600 already and deciding between mm500 and lcdx

[@progressivelibertarian2570]

@@jaredlucow for professional work I don’t know if there is a one headphone solution right now.

[@adamsteelproducer]

Hell yeah! I've been a headphone mixer for years as well, I do have the NS10s and nice Eve Audio monitors to check everything on, but I can't be in the studio all the time so it works well for me. I'm hoping to move to Audeze soon - as we talked about whilst you were in England!

[@KohleAudioKult]

Yeah! You might wanna try both the X and the MM500. In guess that’s a matter of taste or what you are used to.

[@bontempo1271]

What do you use now, and how do you find translation when you use the headphones exclusively ?

[@madmuso5]

I use the dt770 and love them for balancing the low subs as well as stereo fx at times. They translate very well.

[@partlysimpson5154]

It seems that no matter what headphones you buy u need to get used to them, so some can make good results with dt770 and some make bad mixes with audeze

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

that is not possible, especially not with dt770. maybe 880 or the new tesla but not really. planar is the game

[@richarddeeble09]

Sonarworks reviews headphones in terms of frequency response. The results are interesting in terms of cost vs performance

[@danthegeetarman]

Slate VSX. Love those. Better than anything of the type. Translation is AMAZING. Game changers

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

thats a shitty 90 bucks headphone, they really have to work together with audeze imo.

[@danthegeetarman]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl they are not the “beefiest”, but sonically they sound amazing - and for me that’s all I need. The problem is if they paired up with Audeze (or any larger company), VSX would jump from $399 to $3999, which would defeat the purpose IMO. Plus, VSX is backwards compatible, so that’ll never happen anyways because then all of the previous versions would no longer be compatible. I’ve also used the same pair for 2 years straight now, every day, no issues at all, so they’re actually quite resilient despite looking (and feeling) not as heavy or solid as other headphones I have used (including Audeze)

[@Middlestepofficial]

People need to understand the difference between headphones as it can become confusing. Especially closed vs open back. Sound stage can be obtained by using good open back headphones. The surrounding bleeds into the sonic blend of the headphones, and gives you a 3D-like impression.

[@humorustrout.]

As someone who's battled for years with not having ideal rooms/treatment, etc, spending way too much on treatment and Sonarworks, endlessly measuring calibrations...it was such a headache. Bought a pair of used LCD-X (2021) after selling some extra sets of cheaper cans and some of my acoustic treatment. Now I can work wherever I want to, and I've been really pleased with the results. Of course I wasn't working in an ideal room so it was a great option.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Sounds like we’re on the same team! 🤘❤️

[@OliChristenDrew]

Hi Kohle! Prima Video, danke Dir! Just a little comment from my side: I often use a DT990 Pro, and one of the things I like about them is the sound stage. However, it is a different one than the sound stage from my monitors. It feels like my brain takes a moment to adjust before the curtain goes up and the stage reveals itself. But hey, now I'm def going to try the LCD-X !!

[@TrevorNokesMusic]

Ive been mixing on headphones for the last 2 years using Focal MG Pro....AMAZING

[@joseelithortegagarnelo3657]

No matter if you are mixing on a great control Room filled with lots of hardware or do you mix in your bedroom with laptop and all plug-ins and the best DAC/ headphones, if you have not enough skills , your mixes will not sound right . I’m a pro mastering eng and recover lot of mixes every day . Knowledge, Skills and right tools are necessary for a great mix .

[@KohleAudioKult]

Correct. All gear, all instruments need to be controlled or played right to sound great. I still recommend to buy the best gear available!

[@The_Absurdistt]

When using open back ref. headphones, it is extremely important to also have some essential acoustic treatment.

[@BobbyLaneProductions]

thanks for this video! this has been on mind recently.

[@tomaszbrodzic8381]

Thanks! I use my lcd-x only for pleasure, I've just bought the burson playmate 2 amp - together they sound pretty impressively.

[@woodward_alan]

I use the Neumann NDH 20 daily to mix. Love them. Before I click submit to distribute, I check on studio monitors, cheap headphones, and in my truck. My situation doesn't allow for volume in my house most of the time.

[@ST-fl5fy]

I’ve read many reviews saying if you get a mix to sound good in the ND30’s they will sound great anywhere

[@woodward_alan]

​@ST-fl5fy work great! I only check final levels on a monitor at end.

[@tiffanyflanagan1892]

I have both the LCD-X and the LCD 5 from Audeze. A few of Focal’s reference pairs with the beryllium drivers. And I use them all in combination with the Slate VSX headphones, which gives psychoacoustics to simulate rooms and environments. Honestly I think the Slate headphones are the best for mixing and the others are best for catching things I miss. (Like those mastering errors you mentioned)

[@edenekendahl1791]

Have you tried the MM500? If you had to choose one headphone to have together with the Slate VSX headphone which one would it be?

[@tiffanyflanagan1892]

I already have an LCD 5, which has a similar frequency response, but is a lot more resolving. I don’t see a need to pick up an MM-500 because of that. But I think it would be a great choice. I’d prefer something with more forward mids compared to the LCD X, but that’s just my preference. Another solid choice is the Focal Clear MG.

[@PooNinja]

Sonic lenses, I love that, it sounds like my gravity engine design to directly manipulate gasses for the purpose of audio (and other) reproduction. Maybe I’ve said to much?

[@carlasker9285]

I stopped mixing metal on speakers. I was just looking for balls, volume and power but the mixes never sounded good on any other system. I bought a pair of expensive Sennheiser headphones for my home studio which enabled me to work evenings, hear detail and dynamics and reference tracks in fair comparison. Finally my stuff started to sound like I wanted it too.

[@SnateOne666]

Mixing and mastering with Beyerdynamic DT-880-Pro + Audio-Technica M50X, perfect opened+closed combo for my budget, tried also Sennheiser HD-650, but everything sounds already mixed/balanced in them, and also Sony mdr-7506, but they leaved for tracking only, or checking upper-mid harshness of smth

[@bobbaumeister5243]

Geiler Content Kristian! Hast mich wieder auf die Marke gebracht, die ich vergessen hatte!

[@guybuddy1]

Just got my LCD-Xs a couple days ago. It was a expensive investment, but super worth it.

[@KohleAudioKult]

So cool to hear that! Enjoy! 🤘

[@LordofDiamondsMetal]

It is interesting to hear this ringing endorsement of Audeze headphones from a mixing engineer, as yes, they are marketed to hifi enthusiasts and not recording professionals. Most headphones seem like they are, really, with the exception of monitors like Audio Technica M50Xs and Sennheiser 280s, because that's what headphones in studios are usually used for. That being said, any headphone with a measurably flat frequency response I would mix on, and currently use Sennheiser 600s for that purpose. A tried and true neutral reference that's stood the test of time

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

600's ? are not neutral, and no, audeze MM-500 and MM-100 is indeed marketed for mixing professionals, not hifi.

[@sebastianhanzlik4644]

Your story sounds so familiar. Big fan of LDC2 and CanOpener from goodhertz.

[@tutubeos]

Great video, thanks! I have the Sennheiser HD650 too, with Sonarworks they sound great (with a better detailed bass range), but if I mix only with those headphones my mixes don’t translate well. I still don’t get the right overall amount of reverb/delays (too much), also, when I listen to the mix back on speakers, it sounds boxy, so I don’t have a good mid range representation on headphones . The HD650 tend to make anything sound good, so it’s more difficult to pinpoint mix problems. Nowadays, I’m mixing mainly on speakers, and I use the headphones for editing vocals and instruments and for checking some details as you mentioned, and finally I listen to the final mix both on speakers and headphones, and make some adjustments in order to make the mix sound good on both. I would love to hear what you think about the Slate VSX, if you’ll give it a try.

[@ramspencer5492]

I actually enjoy mixing on my Audeze gaming headphones. Surprisingly effective actually.

[@KohleAudioKult]

The Mobius?

[@johnkubic915]

i have been using the Sennheizer HD 540 Reference gold for your years and i'm very fond about it

[@alexanderfischer1293]

6:51 - "Dr. Dre kind of headphones..." 😀 ... I love you Kohle!

[@atsilverine]

I've used Sennheiser's 560S headphones, they're cheap, but I've gotten a sound pretty close to the truth with them. But I've also had to use speakers, mostly to find the right balance...often related to the level of the vocals. Creating the overall sound has been successful with Sennheisers, I've also used the 650s as a reference. However, they are too mid-range. Maybe I need to get those Audeze LCD-X's...

[@officialdiomer]

I went from 7506 to 560s and MM-100’s. Honestly the 560’s are so underrated. I tried all the other Senny’s I could find in my area, even the 800’s, and I liked the 560s the most. Got em used for $100. If I didn’t pick up the MM-100’s I’d be happy with the 560s. I guess the Audeze hype got me itching to try them lol but it’s been worth it so far. Not sure I could justify spending LCD-X money yet but maybe one day if my music really pops off lol

[@evilone10]

Hi Christian ! Thanks for this video so much. I'm mixing in a shitty room i cannot do much about it, so headphones was the only solution, i used to use a Bose Headphone but they are only good to satisfy you, 'cause anything sound good and they are defenitely not made for mixing/mastering. I know your production and your style of mixing, so i went completly blind on buying LCD-X, and i have to say i'm not disapointed! Thanks again for what you are doing !!! Regards.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Wow! Great to hear that! Enjoy your new headphones!

[@officialdiomer]

How are they holding up now? Still using them?

[@evilone10]

@@officialdiomer Yes, it is perfect !

[@robertmessinger6053]

Slate VSX. Maybe not the best for final edits but essential for checking your mix across various sound systems. You really could do the entire mix with these as well, they’re really incredible. Archon mids sound amazingly flat, best “room” in VSX…

[@murraywebster1228]

Currently I’m using Sennheiser HD700, HD58X, HD 280 PRO & Apple earbuds (domestic standard mix check, the new NMS10‘s 😂😂😂), I’ve heard a rumour that there may be a „PRO“ version of the Sennheiser HD 660S‘s coming out sometime. With 96% of music being consumed on headphones (apparently….) the importance of mixes for headphones is way more important than before, for some clients I even do a special „binaural“ mix for them to release in conjunction with the standard stereo mix, have until not got into immersive mixing which in the end of the day would be mostly consumed in a folded down binaural mix or so, I’ve been a bit sceptical about trying mixing immersive on headphones only and an immersive monitor system is beyond any economic sense I feel, I don’t have a commercial customer base that would be able to pay for such, and as far as I understand it’s still a niche area even for the big boys. I think immersive is here to stay but for the standard music consumer stereo/binaural will be the majority of products, it would appear with plugin companies like Dear VR and Sound Particles (whose products I really like) are making plugins that you could mix immersively on headphones, but like I said, it’s a commercial question, an immersive mix is far more time consuming and therefore expensive compared to standard stereo, will the music producers and the consumers going to be prepared to pay the extra costs?

[@brandywinecrypto]

You just saved me a lot of money 💰 I’ll definitely be purchasing using your affiliate link! Thanks 🙏

[@KohleAudioKult]

Great to hear that! But make sure you try before you buy! I want you to be happy.

[@themilesroarkexperiment1662]

I was working with some Samson 550's but just upgraded to an AKG MKII it's weird so far, but I can definitely hear the difference.

[@Earth-Worm-Tim]

A shredder on another level than I has a home studio and owns a pair of LCD-XC headphones and OMFG man you aren't kidding. The sound quality of these headphones is like listening to angels singing.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Absolutely! I haven't checked out the closed Xs yet though.

[@andyreinhart5310]

I ended up with a pair of Ollo Audio S4X... I like them!

[@KohleAudioKult]

I heard good things about them too!

[@MoreMeRecording]

I do too, LOVE them and mentioned them in this thread but I guess KK didn't like me posting a link to Roks site (as hardly anyone has heard of them) and he deleted my comment :(

[@DionisisChristodoulatos]

Highly reccomended

[@MoreMeRecording]

@@KohleAudioKult Why would you delete my post re the OLLOs? Is it because this is sponsored and I provided a link to OLLO site? I did it for the community as for $400 EU they punch *way* above the price..

[@KohleAudioKult]

@@MoreMeRecording I haven't deleted anything! I never do that. Feel free to link any headphones you want!

[@Endless_Skyway_Adventures]

Sennheiser HD-650 For midrange, Status Audio CB-1 for Bass. AKG K-240 alternative reference. My room is horrible, too small, wrong shape, concrete walls with foam insulation and OSB . Standing waves. I must rely on headphones and analyzers for tonal balance. Audeze frequency response graphs LD-2 concern me with the high frequency roll off.

[@rolarocka]

Planar magnetic headphones are good for producing music and music listening/enjoying too 😊

[@WaBoo78]

Danke Kohle, dein Video kommt gerade zum richtigen Zeitpunkt 😘 ich möchte mir endlich neue Kopfhörer kaufen und du hast mir gerade einen riesigen Gefallen mit deinen Erfahrungen getan! 🍻 Cheers

[@KohleAudioKult]

Immer selber ausprobieren! Aber bei Audeze bist du an guter Adresse. Viel Spaß!

[@davidguerrero1636]

I have both and ended up back with the LCD-X too!

[@KohleAudioKult]

Guess it's a matter of taste. But it took me a while even if those two are very different sounding.

[@davidguerrero1636]

@@KohleAudioKult the MM-500's are better for balance but the LCD-X have details I was just missing with the MM's. I'm primarily a dialogue editor so that might have something to do with it.

[@combustia78]

I own a pair of LCD-2C, awesome! I paired with a Fiio K7 heaphone amplifier. It's like you said, hifi speakers on your ears, no kidding. Kat Bucharest Romania

[@KohleAudioKult]

I still gotta check out the closed back version. How much isolation do you get?

[@combustia78]

@@KohleAudioKult what do you mean by isolation? The lcd2c are open back. They have great soundstage. It's having speakers close to your ears literally.

[@KohleAudioKult]

@combustia78 I thought you were talking about the closed back version,

[@damienowens242]

My wife had a pair of ATC scm 25s in her studio and when she heard my Audeze LCD x that’s what she compared them to.

[@niclastname]

Did you remove your video about digital vs vinyl? I can't seem to find it anymore, and it was such a great video at explaining and giving real examples of the issues and limitations that vinyl has as a medium. When I try to explain to people, it's difficult to find good comparisons like yours was...

[@KohleAudioKult]

That was on another channel (before i had my own) and they have removed all my videos there.

[@niclastname]

@@KohleAudioKult Oh okay that makes sense why I can't find it anymore. Shame it's gone though :(

[@KohleAudioKult]

@@niclastname Sorry for that! But not within my power to bring it back.

[@johnwalter6410]

You do need a good DAC or amp. Try a Topper or a a grace m900 side by side with your laptop. You'll see

[@KohleAudioKult]

A good amp helps. The low impedance of the Audeze really makes it work with pretty much any amp though

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

no you don't, not with planar magnetic, not with a macbook

[@Iesous27]

I have a pair of audio-technica m20x... I'm just a bedroom guitarist recording for fun and these server my purposes, they have a very surprisingly flat frequency response. For $60 CAD, I couldn't go wrong with it.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

no, those are not flat, at all. ther e is a LOT of nonsense information out there

[@silascf]

Great video man Thanx a bunch!!

[@jzg7890]

I went for the Audeze MM-500's. I prefer to eq them with the oratory eq. However, they are incredible well balanced out of the box. Audeze truly is next level.

[@thedarksoul2104]

What EQ do you yes for this? I heard you can’t do it with Pro-Q3 for some reason.

[@jzg7890]

A parametric eq. either the headphone eq in soundsource or equillibrium from dmg. Those two sound the best to me. @@thedarksoul2104

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

@@thedarksoul2104 of course you can with pro-Q you just have to do some very simple math because they use another Q factor multiply. any digital EQ sounds 100% the same anyway so.

[@alexandrosbagkas]

I found it weird that you liked the LCD 2s for mixing. Everyone eqs the highs like crazy! I loved them for listening to music though. Cool and fuzzy blankets. LCD-X is a reference’s reference!!!! I had the LCD XCs 2016 version and they were razors. That bass though!!!! Audeze rules! Have you tried ZMFs?

[@KohleAudioKult]

I gotta say the difference between the 2s and the Xs is way smaller than most people think. We've got a few pairs here so i have heard them side by side many times. We do have the older wooden LCD-2s which are slightly different from the current model.

[@alvesdeejay]

tried HD650 ,NDH30, BEYERDYNAMIC DT1990 PRO out of the box the best was ndh30 but it cost twice the sennheiser and more than beyer . With sonarworks or rew eq they are all almost the same and i keeped the sennheiser because they felt great. So my question for you is made the comparison with eq adjustment and tell us what you think bye

[@ST-fl5fy]

I love my hd600’s. I also use SW and CanOpener. Great results. I was very curious about the nd30 hearing great things but they also need slight eq tweaking as do all. I’m curious about the soundstage nd30 compared to 600’s. I think as you say for the cost it’s not big enough to go that route. Been curious about VSX only for reference on different types

[@MargusAlviste]

I have exactly the same experience than you! Audezes are amazing! ❤

[@KohleAudioKult]

Indeed! 🤘

[@jimc2384]

Last album I mixed was on the Audeze Lcd-x's.. No ear fatigue and a necessity since I had to move my console to my house with less than desirable acoustics. Only minor thing I noticed is that I was mixing a little bass heavy..But i made adjustments and the clients were very happy.

[@sebastianjovancic9814]

Can highly recommend AKG K612 Pro, real sleepers for only ~135-155 $/€ Open back, comfortable, big open and accurate soundstage, incredibly flat response for the price (+/-2dB from 100Hz to 3kHz!), 120ohm makes them rather easy to drive. No hype, just feel smooth all over, tight low end. I don't think you can get much better below expensive high end headphones! The only downside to me is a weak cable connection, I recommend wrapping it once around the plastic mount cup on the side and putting some cable ties to to arches, this offloads stress on the connector.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Interesting! Sure they don't have that annoying AKG high end?

[@sebastianjovancic9814]

@@KohleAudioKult I haven't tried many AKG honestly, maybe have tried a Q701 but I remember it being rather pushed around 2.5k which I found fatiguing. I generally lean more towards warmer sounds and don't like sharp sounding headphones! To me they are clear in the high end without being sharp. In the end, only way to know is to try! They are quite a bit cheaper than the Audeze you recommended 😅

[@craigpurdie3528]

I've been mixing on headphones for several years. I am now the proud owner of a set of Audeze LCD-X (2021). I also recently bought a subwoofer. I have not yet integrated these 2 pieces into a mix. HOW DO I GUAGE THE PROPER AMOUNT OF BASS? WHICH DO I LISTEN TO? I am lost on how to proceed. Please help me (if you can, I'm feelin' down....)

[@judasxchrist]

This is exactly, what I need to know!

[@westwalnutrecords]

I've been mixing on Skullcandy crushers and my mixes are awesome

[@RodrigoLana]

Adorei o vídeo! Confiar em um ótimo headphone foi um upgrade nos meus trabalhos! ❤

[@timothyadamtey2666]

pls can i use pioneer hdj 1000 for mixing

[@Moshington]

My exact thought on those first three headphones you mentioned. And now I’m on the mm500 😂

[@KohleAudioKult]

Haha! They’re great. Just voiced a little to mid forward for my taste.

[@Moshington]

I have dynaudio lyd 48 and wanted something similar with good mid presence. But either way we both Made the right choice going to Audeze 🎉

[@Catywampus.Kerfuffle]

Hearing about these and the Slate VS-somethings have me tickled pink at the moment. Not only is my current living situation terrible for mixing on monitors, but I've been considering doing van living nomad thing, so a good headphone option would enable me to take a single guitar, audio interface, and laptop along with me to continue to make music that I wouldn't have to slap a LoFi tag in the description.

[@bluematrix5001]

YEAH, I GOT THE LCD-X..FOR ME THE LCD-X SOUNDS MORE NATURAL IN THE MID-RANGE THAN THE MM-500 ...BUT BOTH ARE GREAT

[@VCVRackIdeas]

And now yeah, they are tell that mm500 Sound pretty close To hd650 and HD 800s are still King of Soundstage :-)

[@skiiizo]

Thank you very much for the video. I’m not an engineer, my room sucks and I mix withe the LCD-X 2021. I also use OLLO Audio.

[@KohleAudioKult]

How do you like the Ollo compared to the LCD-X?

[@skiiizo]

@@KohleAudioKult The Ollo is more I'd say RAW, a bit like NS10. I like them very much. In fact I mix with them and after that I put on the Audeze and that translates very well. I finish with the Audeze what I started with the Ollo. I'd say for me, the Audeze are a bit more refined and sound more hifi. But that's just me, I'm not an engineer, just an old musician with damaged ears ! hahaha

[@KohleAudioKult]

@@skiiizo Interesting, thanks! How's the Ollo's low end in comparison?

[@skiiizo]

@@KohleAudioKult Ollo's low end is not near the low end of Audeze's, that's for sure. As I said the Ollo seem to me, and just me, without any mixing PRO experience, more like mid forward, a bit like my Avantone mixcubes, without having this kind of tone of course. The LCD-X seem more refined to me, with more bass response. I have the Ollo S4X and not their latest model the S5X. They guys are nice people and I'm sure if you ask them, they might send you a pair for testing.

[@MFKitten]

I use the AKG K371 because they are veeeeery closely tuned to the Harman Over-Ear headphone target curve. Which is a very good reference. I also use Soundworks SoundID for headphones with it.

[@pricedlx]

One thing that isn’t being covered is the headphone amp needed to accurately drive Audeze cans. He drops the SPL. Amp but people need to be aware of the amps being used.

[@CollinHeade]

Nice explanation on your headphone journey for mixing. Would you recommend the Audeze LSD-X for mixing classical musicians, acoustic instruments in general, or this genre of instruments including instrument libraries ? Thanks very much for your reply.

[@MangoOverload91]

You've almost sold me on Audeze, I noticed recently that my headphones have next to no sub response, so my mixes always end up super stubby in an attempt to thicken low end. Every time I listen in my car I'd be overloaded by sub. Idea for any experiment: mix a song on your usual monitor setup, without using the headphones at all. Then the next day (or whatever time), use solely the headphones. Then compare the mixes for us

[@UncleBenjs]

Or just mix so your mix has little to no sub in the headphones, at the balance expected. Prob solved

[@MangoOverload91]

​@@UncleBenjsI mean, obviously after I listen to it on different systems I notice the problem and account for it and go back and forth, but yknow what sucks? Going back and forward, tweaking a mix until it has the right amount if low end you'd hope to have been able to hear in your primary listening medium in the first place. If that medium can't replicate the low end your file has then referencing doesn't help either. I'm just trying to get the best experience mixing/mastering within the limitations my housing situation imposes.

[@UncleBenjs]

@@MangoOverload91 Look into slate vsx, especially if you're in a compromised room

[@frankrotthier4392]

hey Kristian! I am using the mm500's lately but after watching this video I kinda regret selling my LCD-X's ☺ Mine were not the 2021 version though so I don't know if they changed a lot? Do you use some crossfeed (Canopener or something) with yours and no EQ, right? Thank you!

[@KohleAudioKult]

Hey! I haven’t used the older ones. I sometimes use Sonarworks, but only below 20% which is a very gentle high mid boost. I also try to use my SPL headphone amp with crossfeed

[@frankrotthier4392]

@@KohleAudioKult Thanks man! I use the crossfeed function (lowest setting) on my Chord Mojo 2 DAC (which also has a 4-band EQ build in) Just ordered the LCD-X 2021 after watching this video and see if I prefer it over my mm500 and then decide which one has to go 🙂

[@flyingtrackerz22]

​@@frankrotthier4392which one did you prefer between both ? 😂😊

[@CrushingAxes]

Huge Andrew Scheps fan here! Been mixing with headphones for years now. Still pretty bad mixes though =(

[@KohleAudioKult]

Haha! 🤘❤️

[@anteupbeats]

All I’ve ever known is headphones. I will be moving over to HS7s. But currently I use DT 990 Pros.

[@Mister_Jahn]

I use a pair of austrian era AKG 702s, and a Superlux 330 pro 150 ohms for alternative perspective but it was a pair of very neutral campfire audio in ears (Orion) to dial in the mids and highs after Im happy with what ive done with the AKG's. I still use my monitors for emotional listening but use the AKG with flattening software to get things in the general ballpark and the campfires give me the immense and non hyped detail to sort things super fast... like 45 min tops with in ears but that's all it takes. Lust after some of those Audeze's.

[@iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii7]

Inhave been using Beyerdynamik since i am 15...and i am old! Certainly i tried audezee as well (lcd 2 x and the cheaper closed ones) and while beeing impressive headphones, they are too heavy, to fragile and too bulky fir my taste PLUS i regularly made dimb decisions on them. Without sonarworks no headphones are linear enough (except the discontinued HD860) for me and i really tried many. These days i use DT1990 and recently did my first number one on them😊 Seems to work!

[@KohleAudioKult]

Oh yeah. All the Audezes are bulky and heavy for sure. But that's the price you pay it seems. Haven't tried the 1990 though!

[@kpopbutlofi]

You can plug them in to your laptop but the preamp is very bad quality, same as the audio interface headphone pre amp. It is much better to use a FIOO Q7 preamp coupled to your Audeze LCDX and you will be in heaven. Beside that I have a dilemma, I need a travel set, I am debating between what I just mentioned or a pair of Genelec 8010 or iCloud Ik Multimedia... It is different but I am still debating, help me out. :)

[@KohleAudioKult]

I feel like the LCD-X works really well even with cheaper headphone amps. I guess that's because of its low impedance. I'm using an SPL Phonitor whenever I can though.

[@kpopbutlofi]

@@KohleAudioKult I agree with you, but the FIOO is a step further, try it if you have a chance. I am still debating if I should get the iloud speaker (instead of the generic 8010 for their low end response) or a Audeze + the preamp mentioned previously, I will have to travel for a few years and will need to keep producing, choice is tough :(

[@Sylkis89]

I'm poor so I'm using Beyerdynamics Custom One Pro for everything from everyday life listening for jogging to home recording as a hobby :D and I'm so mad they're discontinued, cause they had some features that are really useful for me like the mechanical bass regulation, replacable cable, easy to drive, etc...

[@KohleAudioKult]

Are you saying I'm a snob jogger? Haha! Just kidding.

[@Sylkis89]

​@@KohleAudioKultwelp, I ended up buying audeze maxwell. Not really reference monitors but still considered the best entry level planar headphones that could be used as reference monitors if you know what you're doing with EQ settings on them. They're just as much as I could afford lol and you're one of the main reasons why I wanted audeze over all these months :D

[@LOWFREQUENCIES]

I love mixing in an abandoned Swimming Pool for few weeks now :D ... Really love your plug in :) (and the perfection of the Invisible reverb too :) ) Focal shapes twin here and Beyer DT770 :)

[@KohleAudioKult]

Haha! Good one 🤘❤️