Andrew Scheps & Fab Dupont discuss mixing with headphones

In this Puremix.com free video exclusive, world-renowned mixing engineers, Andrew Scheps and Fab Dupont sit down to discuss how they incorporate headphones into their workflow, how they started mixing in headphones, and how you can use headphones to your advantage.
Hang out with Andrew and Fab as they discuss:
- Why they started mixing on headphones
- Translation from headphones to speakers
- Correction and spatialization software
- Deciding on vocal level in headphones
- The benefits of mixing in headphones
- Using headphones to consistently get the low end of your mix right
00:00 Introduction
00:39 - Why Would You Mix On Headphones?
07:05 - Should You Mix For Headphones?
07:49 - How Do Mixes Translate To Speakers?
16:02 - Why Do Headphones Have A Bad Rap?
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[@davejohnsonmusic]

No other mix engineer keeps it as real as Andrew Scheps does.

[@shane_taylor]

Absolutely.

[@hummarstraful]

I think the most important part to hear is 11:30: Make the headphones a part of your mixing process. Just like adding another pair of studio monitors, headphones give you another window. I think of headphones as the engineer's microscope, especially for amateur mixers working from poorly treated rooms. For instance I have found it impossible to precisely mix in ambient drum samples into a dry drum while listening to my Genelecs or NS10s. And I have spent lots of money on treatment. On headphones I IMMEDIATELY hear the changes the ambient sample make and can dial them in just right. Same with low end on kick. I also use what Schep uses, Sony MDR 7506. $100 a pair.

[@MadkeimMusic]

Everytime I see an Andrew Scheps interview, I feel like he's overall telling me that things are going to be ok. And I like it! (Not to dismiss all the great knowledge he shares, of course)

[@station65music55]

I feel exactly the same thing! He's kind of like the Bob Ross of mixing.

[@johnott193]

He always reminds me of my best college professors. Everything he talks about I just understand afterwards, it's not me memorizing what he said, I understand what he was talking about and why it makes sense. My mixes are still not great, but I think they're getting better because of him. haha.

[@YoDudeRock]

@@station65music55 I was going to say that too. But If listen to him without looking, he sounds like John Malkovich.

[@malikb570]

Good to see I wasn't the only one

[@hectordm6787]

@@johnott193 III y el u

[@lincolnmmitchell]

Andrew Schepps is a real thinker. He defies all of the arguments based on his results and logical argument. We need more like him.

[@Noisa]

I started mixing on headphones almost exclusively from home a few years ago because of the less than optimal acoustics, but didn’t tell anyone, because of the stigma. Needless to say, once I got used to them, people have said the mixes sound better than they used to. Nice to get some backup here.

[@IJOSoundVideo]

To be frank, i love mixing on speakers, but the mixes I do on my headphones always sound better, i also use reference mix when mixing on headphones, and it allows me to understand the sound better. As my studio is in my bedroom with a horrible, or more precise, none acoustic treatment, i can't trust my speakers :)

[@blaablaa22]

Same thing here (meaning: didn't at first tell anyone, started to get super good feedback, then started to talk about it and found out a lot of people are in the same boat :) )

[@jeremiahknox1008]

Awesome!

[@arthurmee]

Me too. I use reference tracks.

[@electricwhiterabbit]

@@arthurmee Ya, reference tracks are important and very helpful.

[@adoebeatz]

“If it’s on the internet it’s true. If you don’t see it, it’s not true.” Love this 😤

[@nesjeu882]

“If you don’t see it, you don’t know it” 😂

[@ehze5010]

Ahaha yah

[@meshica7]

Andrew is my hero..he's a humble, and realistic, genius.

[@themagicianofsound]

Andrew is absolutely awesome. Most engineers think that THEIR way to work is THE way to work. I love when Andrew mentions that whatever works for you IS a good approach. Coming from one among the best in the world, it makes me feel less weirdo about the way I do things.

[@edwardlewis8045]

Finally Andrew articulated the conclusion that I came to every time I considered dropping $10-20k of renovations to modify my home studio. 1 I was never going to get it perfect and in fact was wasting my money to chase the perfect acoustic environment. Instead Eliminate the variables , buy flat monitors and comfortable flat head sets, then calibrate your interpretation of your mixes. Thank you gentlemen!

[@oinkooink]

What flat monitors would you recommend? What flat headphones would you recommend?

[@RandyWillcox]

I absolutely love his philosophy. He's so matter of fact and very, "as long as you get there in the end, what's the difference?" It's like...cut the BS and just do the thing.

[@hummarstraful]

I came back to this video since it's upload 2 years ago. Priceless insights from two veterans. Probably the most important video on headphones out there.

[@luisesquer676]

I have so much love for these two people even though I've never met them. Thank you for getting them together

[@MrAchris10]

That was so mentally freeing. I appreciate that conversation.

[@RickyMackie]

I've been mixing on headphones for about 6 or so years now. The reasons why I started mixing and writing on headphones is avoiding annoying my neighbors of course and I enjoyed the intimacy with the music in headphones. The only issue I still come across is a few elements being out of balance with each other, which I go back and forth from headphones to my speakers for. 80-90% of my mixing and writing is done with a $99 pair of headphones.

[@kosta3212]

Which one headphones do you use if I can know?

[@RickyMackie]

@@kosta3212 Sennheiser HD 280 Pro Honestly, the only ones I like.

[@bassinblue]

Invest in good open back headphones and your mixes will improve.

[@collinpastore4386]

Lol there’s always a guy like Clyde. Use whatever headphones help you make good decisions.

[@michael-projectmanager5611]

I have always mixed the same way: start in monitors, continue in pro type headphones, continue in my consumer bud headphones, continue in my consumer stereo speakers, back to pro monitors.... If there is another set of speakers or headphones available, I will always check it in them. I check it in as many different systems and places as I can. that helps me get over the fact that I have no treated room, and also the fact that I'm not the most amazing mixer in the world. But in the end, it gets the job done for me.

[@sebastianmirceabadiu856]

He just said he's listened to the same headphones for 20 years...there's your explanation. Awesome video !

[@Jjf109nine]

True, but I ask myself if it worked from the beginning, then Why Not?

[@javierjanaid]

Tthank you so much for that PureMix!!!!!

[@danielkisel5661]

Wow exactly what I was hoping to hear and more!

[@MegaVictorGamer]

Amazing conversation! Please do more of this

[@stupendousmusic4190]

The very first mix I ever did was done almost entirely with Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro headphones. And to this day, I begin all of my mixes with them and use them as my main reference.

[@danepaulstewart8464]

Excellent talk! The two different minds brought out all the questions and points that needed to be covered. 👍👍👍

[@novabluerocks]

Wonderful insight and perspective from two really talented, experienced professionals. Thank you x 2!!!

[@violamoonshape4428]

We've been mixing and mastering on HD800s since day one. Couldn't be happier. Superb interview. Thanks, Andrew and Fab.

[@warloshernandez]

Those are more expensive than a pair of nice end monitors, I think I am going to die without using the HD800s...

[@kevincollins2761]

It’s not blasphemy if a pro like Scheps does it. Thank you for the detailed insight on something that a bunch of so-called “pros” talk down on!

[@TheShpmusic]

I love the chairs, they look so comfortable. You guys deserve it.. keep up the awesome works..

[@himijendrix1979]

Dude, I was 12:30 into the video before I noticed how awesome/absurd those chairs are.. 😳🤣😂🤣

[@mrnelsonius5631]

I love this. I’m a producer/writer more than a mix engineer (so grain of salt) and my experience has been that the best listening environment is the one you know best. After that, get some second opinions (car, earbuds, different speakers etc). If it still feels good in other environments, then it is good :)

[@RodrigoLana]

Finalmente os famosos produtores estão falando disso. Adorei! Desde que comecei a mixar de fones as minhas produções se tornaram profissionais.

[@craig5908]

Ive never heard of Andrew Scheps before, 30 seconds in and im in awe!

[@beyondmywildestdreams6942]

I am so blessed by learning many details about audio engineering from this genius man! I really admire him and following his footsteps...Love you Andrew Scheps and god bless you sir!

[@anthemsjam]

This was an absolute treat. Truly insightful.

[@nocturnalron69]

This was so helpful. I as too have been mixing with a small JBL speaker for overall levels, as well as mixing in headphones to get pans correct. Works great. I'm also in a small apartment with terrible acoustics so my Rokit 5's are definitely outta the question.

[@REBELDONOG]

We do appreciate you both

[@leandrosilva6414]

Awesome Video! Thanks for the input!

[@davidjonathan3854]

Andrew is "da-man".. Love his simplicity and practicism. Cheers!

[@jokerswearblack]

Wow - I have to mix on headphones and then check on speakers and it is always the vocal reverbs and level that I have to alter. This was a reassuring bit of chat. Cheers

[@MrMindmist]

The Engineers Engineer :) his work on the Low Roar albums is just sublime - so beautiful. I love listening to him talk and I trust what he says :) cheers Mr Scheps !

[@lightafluident.9950]

I started mixing on headphones 🎧 after we lost our place and had to live with other people. Once we were on our feet again we moved into an apartment where I also decided to keep my monitors in storage until we were able to buy a home nine months later. By the time we bought our home I had become accustomed to doing all of my mixes through headphones. I now only use my monitors for playback reference. I love mixing through headphones. I also don't use room correction software.

[@agondistortion]

Same here once I got accustomed to headphones I only use monitors for reference but rarely work on em to me mix on headphones always has a better balance and is more precise and low end is just on point

[@rayvontebrightman4190]

Yep,open back headphones and only listen to speakers for the perspective of translation.

[@jackbrown3270]

loved the tip about mixing in headphones, going to listen on speakers, then go back to fix changes in headphones. i always made changes in speakers and headphones constantly messing myself up or mix in each and then see which one i liked better. lol thank you ANDREW!

[@schmargle]

Yes yes yes. Thank you. I love mixing on headphones.

[@dab7963]

Andrew is so adaptable. First ITB and now headphones. He convinced me to try it too.

[@RichardPhilbin]

I love how these two don't quite agree, so we get the benefit of two perspectives and how they relate.

[@donnycollins1797]

So happy to see this video. I've always refused to believe mixing could not be done on headphones, so I have been able to do it.

[@PuremixAudioTutorials]

Great stuff Donny!!

[@sonicart1808]

This is really interesting, to hear from two professionals of this caliber talking realistically about headphones and mixing, too often you just hear technical information and why or why not to do this.With todays audio environment being what it is and professional level studios being at a minimum, mixing this way has in part become a necessity and more widely accepted, but lets not lose sight of the fact that when you have the kind of professional experience these guys have then your mixing decisions are far more accurate and calculated than the average!

[@mrmorpheus9707]

This was a great dialog!

[@jasonmcculloch5321]

I've gone through school, moved around the globe, and under gone 4 large moves, and my Sony MDR 7506's have stood the test of time over and over again. And exactly...."what he said."

[@morbidmanmusic]

They last. But they are too bright. Have a very weak soundstage, and the ear pads wear out really fast. I have 9 pairs.. they are just average.

[@Noisa]

@@morbidmanmusic for sure agree with this. They feel a bit harsh to me, but they’re a staple. Some HD600s are my favorite for mixing.

[@jasonmcculloch5321]

@@morbidmanmusic absolutely, they are average. And thats what I can rely on them to be, a solid average.

[@ST0IC]

Great video, this is how these conversations should take place.

[@DeejayAfro]

Thank You Mr Scheps !!! Really thank you to correct my thinking !!!

[@keithforrester82]

Reassuring stuff! I really feel I can hear and adjust the minutiae in headphones better than my (half decent) monitors. Plus I'm usually working late at night and my studio (dining room) is below my daughter's room so blasting it is not an option! Definitely reassuring to hear a great saying they do a lot of their mixing in cans!!

[@kemzykem3604]

Thank you so much for this information. I wasn't wrong choosing to mix on headphones than my speakers.

[@OfficialBobbyChulo]

Ever since i moved to an apartment, i switched from working on monitors to headphones. I had such a difficult time getting my mix right. After a couple years, my mixes have gotten so much better. Much more balanced. Less pluggins are being used. More contrast. All because of this man, God Scheps

[@matthewchavezm.b.s5503]

Andrews opening statement is gold. If it turns out you dont read that statement, than it doesnt apply to you. This is true on so many levels. We have to try things for ourselves to truly see whats possible. Many guidelines or parameters are setup as good starting points but we can do anything anyway we want and have it come off professional. We dont have to follow any sort of standard. Some standards might be good to know or practice but nothing is ever end all be all. Its endless experimenting to even outdo what is a current professional standard. Thats what pushes the envelope.

[@boblowmixes2636]

This is pure gold!

[@mikewallace1270]

Great conversation!

[@hakangurdol]

So nice talk about headphones, thank you 🙏. After cheking my mid frequance mix, i go to my little bluetooth transmitter setup and continuous mixing on Jabra 75t earbuds headphones.

[@johnhahn1877]

Thanks for once again sharing your brilliance Andrew Scheps!! Whenever you are sharing mixing gems, I'm all ears.

[@kllnb8]

Andrew just chilling with no shoes on. Makes perfect sense.

[@boogybass]

Love it! Andrew says it like it is!

[@Beatledave7]

Wonderful info thank you! Love the chairs & setting, the only things missing was some Cognac & Coffee!

[@djshangrila5904]

I really enjoyed this conversation

[@nesjeu882]

0:24 best headphone mixing motivation 🙏🏼 “if it’s on the internet, it’s true, but if you don’t see it, it’s not on the internet”

[@edouardphilippe5271]

I like that one. Thanks for that great vid the Masters. I only use headphone to mix so today was my conformation.

[@os2w4rp]

I tried the mdr-7506 for mixing, they were very comfortable and sound great in the low end. To my ears, my particular pair had a significant resonance around the 3khz area making some material difficult to mix.

[@HeathHolme]

FD - I read everywhere that you can't mix on headphones AS - It turns out If you don't read that, then you don't know that and you can just do it!! 🔥🔥

[@romain2869]

thank you so much!

[@Dmaccabees]

Thanks Andrew & Fab 💯

[@louderthangod]

I haven’t been mixing for all that long, about 10 years or so but I’ve always felt like I do a better job on headphones. Ive also gotten better at treating my room which has helped my mixes on speakers but the fine detail with headphones is where my comfort is. I don’t have super high end monitors (Barefoot 01) so that might be part of it but I no longer feel like “I’m doing this wrong” because I spend most of my mixing time in headphones.

[@iengineer_247]

I been mixing with headphones for almost 10 years now!!! I do mobile recordings and I live in an apartment. Sometimes before the pandemic I would mix songs before work while sitting out. I've trained my ears to get use to doing this!!!I have HS7 monitors and if the mixes sound good on them when I do playback at decent volume, I know I've done a good job or need to make adjustments.

[@xanderpills]

HS7 are the - best.

[@justfontaineband]

I think Andrew and Fab have just saved me a good few hundred pounds as I was looking at some monitors on my less than ideal mixing space. Also love that Andrew is sooooo relaxed that he’s wearing only socks on his feet. Legend!

[@divinerascal]

What great advice! ❤

[@QuiethouseRecording]

Thank you for this video. Been having this conversation for the last 20 years and so many detractors. Now we can just say hey Andrew says it’s cool, leave me alone.

[@Mariosyjp]

This is so liberating. I've been mixing with K240's and really enjoying the results because I've learned them. However I always felt that I was missing out for not using fancy monitors. Not anymore , thank you sir!

[@mhdighermuntazar]

PLEASE . DO . THIS . MORE

[@Professor_Pat]

Thank you legends.

[@joelonsdale]

I was curious and bought a pair of the Sonys a couple of years ago and happily mix on them. I find I need to work a little on the bass end, reverb level and vocal level afterwards on speakers, but only a 5 minute tweak. Very convenient!

[@Juliano_DJOL]

14:15 such good advice! This is how I trained my ears to listen for certain things on different speakers!

[@Yumaky]

This is so sick

[@TheShpmusic]

I heavily rely on headphone for mixing. I've been mixing this way for months now, and I must say the sound is closer to me and I can really ear what am doing. There is a sweet spot for every Frequency so having headphones get you really close to the sweet spot. and yes as Andrew said I dont have any sound Id or reference 4, just pure headphones.

[@MrBeen992]

I am not mixer but it was a delight to listen to this guy talk about his craft.

[@arminemrulov6483]

I wish this went on for hours!

[@arminemrulov6483]

Just wondering what interface Andrew uses ? Any One?..

[@Fire-Toolz]

Same

[@producermind9030]

Scheps dropping the mad tips. U have to hear the problem in the environment! I get the best results from little speakers then headphones. Best translation.

[@srwaite7]

Good stuff! Thanks guys! 🖖🏻

[@PuremixAudioTutorials]

Cheers Steve!!

[@makeperceive]

I'd watch loads of videos in this style

[@MrFox1111]

'All that matters is what comes out of the speakers when you hit play.' - I heard Andrew say something like this a loooong time ago, and it was the most FREEEING thing I've ever heard. There were no more excuses, and no reason to lack confidence. ALL that matters, is what comes out.

[@JaredSchumaier]

“I’m abstracting myself from the process, and I’m really just listening.” -Andrew Scheps Wow that was profound..

[@charliekey2979]

I agree a 100% with Andrew, if your mix sounds good then your set up is appropriate whether is headphones, speakers or both. I don't have a sound treated room so I'm did not spend tones of money on great speakers because if the room sucks then the sound coming from your top end speakers will not help you to get the mix as you expect. I'm in the process of training my brain to mixing with headphones because I got no choice anyways! but I'm getting there. Thank you Andrew for your feedback.

[@ThisMichaelBrown]

Very interesting, thanks

[@rafalvarezsevilla]

i do mixing sessions handing out headphones or often tell people to bring their own cans if they are good and they know them well, works like a charm

[@Mikey__R]

I've just picked up a pair of Shure headphones for editing and mixing. Whilst trialling a few headphones, I realised that an accurate transient response is much, much more important than a flat frequency response. Your brain can quickly adjust to account for a bumpy frequency response, but only if those lumpy bits aren't resonances. You can't separate out bass parts if it's a boomy mess down there, or dial out sibilance if an upper spike is ringing.

[@jacquelamontharenberg]

I have used headphones for many years. They are much more intimate and create a fantastic listening experience. I have 2 sets of monitors and a pair of Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pros. If the mix sounds good on all 3, then I am good to go. I also double check on an android phone and in the car. I just bought a pair of Sony MDR-7506s for $99 because of their reputation and lower impedance to use with my tablet. I am getting use to them. They are fantastic. Blew me away when I found out Andrew uses them exclusively. Great interview. Very insightful. Thanks.

[@MoreMeRecording]

This is great. There is this unfounded stigma against using cans for mixing yet lots of guys do it as well as Mastering engineers. I've only been using headphones for about 8 months, and then will reference against my Dynaudio BM5A MKIs but am really enjoying it. The OLLO Audio S4X I bought punch way above their price point as well.

[@CameronEarlyMusic]

Great video

[@tecnica-de-voz]

I heard Finneas explaining how his sister records her vocals holding the mic in her hands ( and there are videos where you can see it while she is sitting on her bed ) Folks, whatever works.

[@logicalconceptofficial]

“Whatever works” is generally what people say when they’re too lazy to learn the right way! Only drive 140 mph once you know the speed limit and the curves of the road....don’t justify lazy recklessness! That said If we all waited to learn music theory and how to mix before we started we wouldn’t ever get started but it’s unfortunately common that people go from knowing nothing to being know it alls that refuse to go back and learn the proper way to write, record and mix songs after they get a few people who like their music (or at least didn’t say it was garbage)....break the rules once you know them and why they are the standard. Break the rules only when you are making a better choice! For instance, holding the mic in your hands is pretty pointless and is nothing to brag about. It could hurt your vocal recording if you aren’t holding still and serves no purpose that I can think of. In fact I didn’t know she did that but it explains why she always sounds too close to the mic & haunts my soul with her weird ass whispery (yet boxy and unsubtle) music...

[@logicalconceptofficial]

Andrew Scheps saying “whatever works for you” has a completely different meaning than your bedroom producer buddy or local SoundCloud rapper saying that....Andrew says that after years of trial and error, studying other people’s workflow and testing what actually works best for him. Most others are justifying bad habits they’ve had from day one when they didn’t have a clue what they were doing and have music that doesn’t hit like it could if they stopped trying to take shortcuts. It’s also one thing when the industry standard calls for $50,000 ducks to monitor your mix on vs $100 pair of headphones, but most of the time the difference is $0.00 and people are just too egotistical or lazy to look up a five minute video on how it’s done properly! Especially with recording and mixing there is objectively a right way and a wrong way to do a lot of shit. You can’t mute a channel then try to tell me that you can “feel it maan”....it’s muted, scientifically, 100%, no if’s and’s or but’s, period! The things you can do on your master buss without ruining the song for instance are far more limited than the endless number of ways you could fuck it up! That’s where knowing the standard way can help save you a lot of time and headaches. Saying “whatever works” has led to far far more undisciplined garbage than hits and it’s time it’s said! Mixing is hardly strenuous work (it’s frustrating but you aren’t gonna break a sweat unless you’re really out of shape) so why not at least attempt to work as hard and as professionally on your music as a miner does at the mine or a carpenter does at the construction site. I don’t know about you but I’d rather buy the house built by pros who did it the right way than some guy who tells me “whatever works” while he stands proudly outside the dilapidated shack he just built!

[@gracie99999]

As mentioned above I use a damn cheap Skullcandy small ear piece things that go in ears... Whatever works!

[@maskedgamer7565]

@@logicalconceptofficial I didn't read the entire two comments you wrote but please don't call Finneas and Billie Eilish lazy or "your bedroom producer buddy". I think they have shown that even when they were broke that they could bring out great songs with whatever worked for them at the time. If you are going to reply with a long comment I won't read it btw.

[@Noisa]

@@maskedgamer7565 you do realize their mom is worth a couple mill, right? This whole “broke” strategy really caught on for them. Lol

[@ryanminnie6112]

This dude absolutely has the right idea. Straight up G.

[@station65music55]

I have a feeling that after this interview the 7506s are going to become the NS10s of the 2020s.

Definitely, with the difference that people don’t have a clue why the ns10s were so popular in studios, they just saw the white cone in pictures and went to the stores to get them.

[@DeanMccormick]

If you can afford them, Audeze LCDX are the way to go. Built like tanks and go down to the sub frequencies that many headphones lack.

[@ruthlesscutthroat4030]

nah mate... look towards akg 702k. these things are reference monitors.

[@timrichard]

Putting in a vote for HD650's. Just gave mine an overhaul after 15 years. New earpads and headband padding, and good as new. Love it that you can get parts easily.

[@SleepingCocoon]

@@ruthlesscutthroat4030 the k702s a have been my main squeeze for some time now. absolutely insane how perfect their sound stage is and how detailed they can get, especially the low end

[@Jerbetteproductions1]

Acclamation!!!! Imagine the money he’s saved many of us!! Amazing!!

[@stevemorgan9626]

Great advice about if you hear something not right on speakers, that you go back to headphones and make sure you hear it there.

[@Kyoami]

Thanks Andrew

[@drethompson5393]

I love hearing Andrew scheps speak

[@jdigital1]

Great stuff from two of the best in the industry, I love watching their videos and hearing them speak, they both have a way of cutting through all the BS and just give it to you straight. Plus I've already gained a wealth of knowledge from them both, but would like to continue picking their brains in person if and when I ever get the chance.

[@pablosanchezrial3932]

I recently started mixing with Headphones, and I really think they help me achieve better results faster. I have a question for Andrew, and that is what A/D conversion audio interface do you use with your notebook? Thank you very much for all the info! It's a great help!

[@beeknose]

Good advice. I like it.

[@jamesconraadtucker]

I can totally identify with everything said. Even my $500 HD650, doesn't sound as discernable as my $100 HD280. I'm so used to them and the fact that I can spot a specific frequency audibly by hearing it and turn it up 1.5 dB, sculpt a little here, add there, and only in the end through my very flat monitors take a slight amount of reverb away tells me I'm very much in the ballpark. It all happened by way of travel and what I will add is ensuring you have a high quality DAC with your audio interface. This will ensure the best quality of accuracy to your mix headphones. The rest is take periodic brakes to give your ears a chance to be grounded with hearing normalcy. Then dive back in with fresh ears. Great and reassuring video!