Kona's $1,499 Honzo Review: An Overgrown Dirt Jumper | 2020 Pinkbike Field Trip

[@D4ncake]

Just bought this one. My first mtb bike

[@andrewclarke7396]

Nice dude 🤟

[@annabanna666]

how did it last

[@dcamp29]

You guys should do this testing in true entry level apparel: basketball shorts, running shoes, t-shirt, helmet from dicks sporting goods.

[@elijahjamieson5354]

I no joke started with running pants (I started in the winter) and basketball shoes

[@dcamp29]

@@elijahjamieson5354 we all did!

[@smokedsalmon3907]

Lmao I'm still wearing b ball shorts and running shoes to this day. Least the helmet is mtb specific. Keep meaning to buy some proper shoes, my pedals have basically eaten 90% of the bottom of my shoes.

[@Jonasdevenport858]

dcamp29 lol I wear dickies, vans, a windbreaker and no helmet

[@tsharko04]

I started in Van's, tighter swim shorts, and a entry level bike shop helmet

[@argiriswho8738]

i just bought this bike and honestly feels super comfortable and soft riding it don't know what y'all saying

[@argiriswho8738]

B T hell ya why

[@Iggy52]

@@BT-dl8kq Did you get the Honzo?

[@OLKIEMTB]

Great video but I do think Kona is over valuing this bike. Almost every other bike brand has a hardtail for $1500 that is a better value than the Kona.

[@TeddyParker]

Unfortunately that is just how Kona operates. Pretty similar to Scott. Overpriced builds left and right

[@frotto]

Vitus Sentier should have also been included... or a Nukeproof Scout

[@TheLunashi]

But i like kona :(

[@Iggy52]

@@TheLunashi And Kona knows..hence higher price 😉

[@arieduindam5138]

I would have agreed totally until a few years ago when I found out that a proper frame is the basis of any bike. So now I'd rather go with that than with a $200 cheaper bike with an XT derailleur. Even better to have even both of course :-)

[@mymooseisloos]

I just ordered the honzo from a LBS last week. This was a great review which helped sway my decision! That said, all these comments are lame af considering none of you have ridden it but all experts apparently. It's a great entry level hardtail that can be upgraded later down the road as skills develop. Thanks PB!

[@pbanthonyv]

From an LBS you get more than just the components, you get service. You also got a nice bike that will last a long time. It's not junk at all. With that being said, it is a fact you can do better spec wise for your money. I don't need to ride it to tell you that.

[@mabbis8583]

Where is the cheapest bike with better components i cant find them

[@tdog6439]

Is this cost in au

[@bubbagump5002]

Hardtails rule 🤘. Looks pretty sweet

[@khfjbfjvxjdk]

5:43 that uhm "bottom bracket" is not acceptable

[@capeljov2666]

Yup powerspline was also on Vitus they reviewed, and u also get them on Commencials hardtails... unaccaptable

[@TheLOMTONG]

$1500 ahahaha, I love the bike industry

[@anthonywalters7434]

My Rockhopper costs less and has a better bottom bracket

[@adamcvanwinkle]

Right? What year is it?

[@anthonywalters7434]

Adam Vanwinkle 2018, it looks to have a Shimano XT MT800 bottom bracket

[@noahlikesbikes1812]

I ended up buying this bike and absolutely love it! Holding up great except I bought the 2021 version but this thing is great!!!!!!

[@luisfamendes]

I also bought the 2021 version and I love it. I just bought some ergon grips, to make it more comfortable to my wrists.

[@piciu256]

A recon on a 1500$ hardtail is outrageous imo. It should be a revelation at elast.

[@piciu256]

And the lowest end brakes Shimano offers

[@JMcKaySV]

it has got colour coded rockshox stickers tbf

[@bitumen83]

Just compare this bike to Orbea Laufey and you will see how crazy expensive and outdated Kona is...

[@hardtailparty]

@@bitumen83 The new Laufey is heavy, but it rides great.

[@piciu256]

@@bitumen83 they are pretty much the same

[@suddenumbra117]

Nukeproof scout and commencal meta hardtail blow this out of the water. Spec and geo is better

[@frotto]

and the Vitus Sentier www.chainreactioncycles.com/es/es/bicicleta-vitus-sentier-275-vrx-xt-slx-1x12-2020/rp-prod181539?mx01=a&

[@HDLogiX]

Vitus too! I've got the Vitus Sentier 27VR 2020, it's 1200$, equiped with Mazocchi Bomber Z2 140mm fork, Eagle SX 12 speeds too, Shimano MT501 180mm rotors, dropper seatpost, 66° headangle.

[@viperrules24]

You are comparing apples to oranges here..

[@piciu256]

@@viperrules24 not really

[@capeljov2666]

you forgot about Ragley with a 100eur lower price than nukeproof on frame with a beter looks and geometry

[@douglasbradley7486]

I lost a Trek Marlin 7 at a motel parking lot Memoral day weekend and as you know bikes are hard to get right now. I drove 200 miles to Travels Rest SC get the only Xl hard tail I could find anywhere. I bought Mona Gonzo al xl, have ridden it twice for a total of about 25 miles. I love this bike it behaves well on all surfaces. I am 74 years old and have ridden for many years, I am not an aggressive rider I ride for fun and conditioning and I expect to ride this kona for years. Thank you Kona and Sunrift Adventures for a pleasant experience and a fun bike.

[@douglasbradley7486]

Should be Kona Honzo I I did not proof read my comment so sorry

[@kelseyspencer6200]

Just got this bike a ,month ago it is awesome as a trail bike or a commuter i love it would highly recommend the kona

[@adamm9642]

i got this bike after doing a lot of research, this bike has all name brand parts, you can't get a better bike for the price! i paid 1499 originally 1999. I'm happy with it

[@okamisan3642]

Aluminum is just fine. I had an El Toro from Ventana for years and loved the ride. Only material I won’t buy is ti due to the price. Nice review

[@Pienimusta]

After riding good full suspension trail bike, climbing with hardtail feels bad. Rear is jumping all the time and you loose traction. Full sus keeps the traction so much better.

[@DM-hw4cr]

And he will save your knees in the long run. The only ht I would ride has plus size tires

[@pbanthonyv]

Ya I think HT is for novelty, budget restrictions, or if you have trails that specifically suit them these days. FS bikes are eliminating more and more of the weaknesses they used to have.

[@terr256]

Just picked one up a few weeks ago and I went straight to the trails. Amazing bike! The dropper post is so nice!

[@gcavy1]

Its interesting that this was the 3rd fastest overall for Mike with the slowest climb. What does that say?

[@adam7x1x54]

Why didn't you tested Marin San Quentin?! In my opinion one of the best hardtails for the money with modern geometry

[@hardtailparty]

Unfortunately the San quentin has an absurdly low stack and a short reach. With tall riser bars it starts to feel better though.

[@pinkbike]

Because we already tested it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGbdiHmGlKmjq5I

[@peaohvee1784]

hardtail party I love short reach. My trail bike (stem included on both) has the same reach as my dh bike

[@skullsroad3642]

@@hardtailparty Have you ever made a video about one? I have a frame coming and already knew about the low stack so I'm prepared for it. But I'd love your insight on the bike overall.

[@hardtailparty]

@@skullsroad3642 I almost bought one when performance was blowing them out at 50% off, but the low stack and short reach was too much for me, even at that price. I love that it has clearance for 3.0 tires (even though the specs say 2.6 max), and I like the slack head angle, but something just felt off riding it (low stack, and something else). I've been wanting to film a video on one, but Marin doesn't bring them to demo events and I can't find a demo I can take out. I've got a 2020 pine mountain in for review right now. Maybe I can get a san quentin when I send the pine mountain back.

[@anthonywalters7434]

I’ve got a Specialized Rockhopper Pro (2018). After increasing the travel to 120mm (Manitou Markhor) it feels super playful and it’s a blast. All it needs is a dropper and a 1x conversion and it will be punching above it’s weight.

[@piciu256]

Change the crappy Kwik Toggle damper for abs+ one (just make sure it fits your fork, there is a 32 and 30mm stanchion version) and you'll be blown away how well a 120mm fork can work, you can even take it a step further, play around with the shims, a trail shim stack blows anything that Fox and RS have for XC out of the water in terms of suspension quality.

[@anthonywalters7434]

Piotr Sulej I think I’ll upgrade to a 35mm stanchion fork of some kind, probably a pike or sid. I don’t care about weight.

[@piciu256]

@@anthonywalters7434 Sid is terrible to be honest (very basic damper, comparable to the Recon, just lighter), check out Manitou Mattoc, there is a good promo on CRC often, it's better than a Pike and much better than a Sid. A bit more fiddly to setup though, it's definitely a tinkerers fork, but you sound to me like a person who likes to mess around with stuff :)

[@SuzukiKid400]

7:40 “The frame should last you multiple seasons.” Man, these guys are in a whole different league than me. This frame will probably last for an entire lifetime for me.

[@CasperRc81]

Many seasons would imply that a lifetime has many seasons and nothing is forever. They probably shred real hard breaking stuff.

[@akiraung]

Where’s the grim donut? The polygon siskiu t7 or t8 would fit in here probably

[@RubenD85]

I got a T7, awesome bike,, just waiting for this quarantine to be over and head out to the trails.

[@akiraung]

I got a t7 too!

[@MrBratius]

I wish you guys would do a review of the Salsa Timberjack...!!

[@yohanyonsson]

I put a 140mm Pike on my Honzo which totally transformed it to a proper descending party bike.

[@russellparker4568]

I put one on my whyte 905 and the difference is incredible

[@joshinaction2340]

I’m still rocking my 2013 Steel Honzo. It is a rad bike that you can literally send off anything👍🏼 (tubeless is a must!)

[@hardtailparty]

Its too bad Kona is still stuck on steep head angles on their honzos. If this had a 65* hta, it'd be a game changer. At 68* static, you're at 69* at sag and 70-71* as you hit bumps. Big miss on the tires too. But, I like how they've machined some of the material out of the dropout area. I'll bet this helps the frame give a little and not beat you up as much as many traditional aluminum hardtails. And bravo for short chainstays on a hardtail.

[@sapinva]

Trust me, that frame has no give. Might give you back spams though. The steel versions are supposed to have a much nicer ride.

[@hardtailparty]

@@sapinva Ive ridden a few alloy hardtails that are more "compliant/forgiving" than some steel frames. Have you ridden an alloy honzo? I haven't. I'd like to try one. The steel honzos I've ridden have all been bone-jarring stiff.

[@sapinva]

​@@hardtailparty Yes, I had the alloy version. Have not tried a steel Honzo. It's about more than just compliance. I've ridden a few alloy frames that flexed like a wet noodle and still gave me back spasms. Personally think resonant frequency and yield strength has a lot to do with it.

[@hardtailparty]

@@sapinva gotcha. Thanks for the info. It hasn't been at the top of my list, but I figured the alloy honzo couldn't be any stiffer than the steel honzo. Sounds like they've found a new level of stiffness with this one.

[@thebikehippie6562]

All hard tails at this price have similar builds.. Yeah you can get one with better this or that at a compromise for something. Some have better fork, others have better drivetrain or brakes.

[@elimccappin6180]

these videos are so good!

[@terr256]

Just got one and it's a good bike for the price! Taken it everywhere and I just upgraded the tires and went tubeless

[@johnacky]

Had this bike for two months now. It wasnt my first choice, but it's all I could find in an XL. First impressions, I thought it was heavy, not slack enough, naff cable mounting, crap components and no tubeless tyres, and pricey. To be fair the bike rides very well, is pretty quick and I agree it feels like an over grown jump bike. It's been loads of fun on the trails, and my riding has improved massively. My only two issues are the brakes are useless and I am now going to replace the tyres to tubeless. Hope Kona improve it for 2021 as not much thought went into the 2020 model.

[@michaelstewart9308]

I've got the big Honzo with the base spec Al frame. I've got it setup mullet, i35 rear rim with 2.6" DHR II with cush core and an i29 front rim with a 2.5" Assegai DD maxx grip. For my fork, I upgraded the stock 130mm recon to a short offset 2020 Pike ultimate with the new 2021 140mm airspring. I've got some 4 piston ZEE brakes and also went to 203/180mm rotors. These upgrades paired with the big Honzo frame makes for a fairly pedalable bike, capable of nearly any downhill run that's still an absolute blast on mellow flow trails.

[@sambolo]

Hardtail doesn’t always mean good and efficient climber. FS bikes are so bedal efficient these days plus they smooten the way up. For example Pole Evolink 158 is in every way and terrain more pedal efficient than my 2017 norco fluid hardtail, and I dont even have to use the climbing switch for that. And Honzo is a relic compared to competitors, no one buys honzo without -2 headangle set and longer fork.

[@smokedsalmon3907]

When I first moved to FS, I figured it would be way slower up hill. But that extra traction is amazing. And with a good suspension design, I literally never use the lockout on my shock or fork either.

[@andyproducts]

Can you put 2.4" tyres on it straight out if the box??

[@Tzestos]

I gotta say that the Honzo frame looks so much like the Dartmoor Hornet, but I guess it's harder to get one in the states

[@megustasonia]

Seriously when i see Mike and Mike, i think about the Beastie Boys!

[@HannesAhr]

I would expect for a Hardtail at this price an upgrade in every part😂

[@annabanna666]

do u think these are a bad buy, what about the kona big honzo 2021

[@justgo4033]

Ive been looking at hardtails for the past few weeks , cant decide between the honzo , the growler and the san quinton . Fort the trails around here you dont really need a full suspension bike .

[@Alex07985]

I would just get a second hand amazing hardtail for that price I would probably go second hand for any price

[@quietgaming6915]

That frame design looks like my Pinewood Raptor. 🤩 For only $280 I got High End MTB Hard Tail.

[@Don-Michael]

This series is great guys

[@IntuitiveReview]

awesome, thanks for the review!

[@50yearoldmtber37]

For 80 bucks you can get a works components angle set and slacken it out to a true trail bike.

[@hardtailparty]

Good idea!

[@itsajoke631]

What do you mean? I’m new to MTB.

[@Iggy52]

And kill your lifetime warranty by doing so 🙂

[@sapinva]

I had one of those. Fun bike, and really does feel like a DJ'r. The alloy frame just destroyed my back, so had to part with it. Seat tube is too steep and BB to low for my taste. The Recon was OK for me at max pressure, but could probably do with volume reducers.

[@dubs4862]

how does pinkbike not have 1 mil subs

[@Metal-Possum]

I'm tired of that argument "you get more for your money with a hardtail". The problem is, any brand will always maximise its profits by selling full suspension bikes, and although comparably priced hardtails and full suspension bikes are almost always in favour of the hardtail, it's much harder to find a perfectly spec'd hardtail that compares with a brands most prestigious full suspension models. I feel like most manufacturers just don't put as much effort into their hardtails, either to discourage us from buying them, or to convince us we need that expensive rear suspension to ride harder and faster. Maybe I'm some kind of conspiracy theorist, but all the hardtail reviews I see only ever show a rather mid-range component choice.

[@josereneducharme142]

My kind of review, my kind of bike. Especially in that era of massive layoffs.

[@Reuben_rmr]

I've had my chromo honxo since 2014 and it's still my favourite bike. Held up better than my 2016 stumpjumper expert and is so much fun to ride. When I lend it to my mates or bro I can't get them off it

[@hailandfire1822]

LOLs

[@JozeConZeta]

And here's the titanic difference between budget and value.

[@meteormedia7021]

1500$ for an aluminium frame hardtail? Are they for real?

[@cristiansuarez5711]

$2.2k for an Ibis DV9, but was speced with NX 11speed.

[@peaohvee1784]

Legit that’s a pretty realistic price range for a bike. Not that this spec is worth that. But the price range is pretty good

[@frankgizzler5268]

Great review

[@mc540flip]

My favorite reviews!

[@davidmorris8121]

Historically, I absolutely LOVE Kona, but their modern bikes always seem way overpriced! Seems like they still make great stuff, so if they sorted out the pricing, they'd probably be even more 'part of the conversation' than they are now!

[@andersbodin1551]

they are on sale allot

[@zPtrck]

For the money get Polygon Siskiu D7!!

[@AydinProductionsLtd]

This would have been good side by side with the Specialized Fuse.

[@yohanyonsson]

I ran my Trail Boss tubeless on my 2019 AU Honzo... No issues. 🤔

[@1powerfit]

Ok folks why did you not review the big Honzo all the things you say this one is missing may be checked off and I heard no mention to this version as well!!! On the other side of things I still was well informed as usual!! Thx a mucho!!!

[@eduzf]

Between Kona Honzo, Kahuna and Cannondale Trail 3, which would be better cost benefits? Or any suggestions between $ 1300 and $ 1500 for a hardtail trail?

[@djgenadeloos5893]

Would the Canyon Grand Canyon AL SL 7.0 (1199 euro) be more interesting? Looking for a great "starter" bike that is playfull and great for allround use... It's hard choosing between the Kona and Canyon.

[@thelittleewokboss9929]

R u reviewing the rocky mountain growler

[@1powerfit]

a honzoing we will go!

[@baralidasan1487]

This or dartmoor primal 29?

[@rhyselliott9170]

homeboy on the right sounds similar to will arnett. nice review fellas

[@MTBScotland]

Did you actually try to set them up tubeless?

[@pinkbike]

An attempt was made and sealant was spilled...

[@MTBScotland]

@@pinkbike Did levy get too excited?

[@matejmedveczky6792]

And what do you think about the groupset? I read a lot of bad reviews...

[@racksonable]

I've been riding this bike for 7 years now! kzbin.infoUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L It was a great bike the day I got it, put it together, and went on my first ride; more importantly it's an even better bike today. I've ridden trails, street, and skatepark all on this bike. I have replaced almost every part on the bike. Some stuff has broken: derailleurs, wheels, shifter. Everything else were upgrades. The only ramaing original parts are the frame, bottom bracket, and crank set. BB and cranks will be upgraded soon. The geometry isn't great but that is really the only draw back to how good a value this bike is. Even after all the money I've spent upgrading it's still a more affordable bike than I'd have bought from a proper bike shop, especially with full suspension. I've also learned a lot about bikes working on it over the years. It really is one of the best perchases I've ever made and hopefully it'll still be around for another 7 years.

[@joelod.4763]

I have the 2019 honzo and rode it at the bike park for a day and no issues, other then brakes (mt201) stopped working.

[@benjaminschuele3457]

I have the Same Bike ... But with 140 34 fox factory and an mt5 Brake i Run ist over ten days in the Bike Park and ist so fucking funny

[@leonmayer7109]

Hey guys, I realy enjoy watching this reviews/ tests. I´m looking forward to buy the Jeffsy CF Pro, but I want wo wait until your video is online and hear what you have to say about the bike. Maybe you would be so nice and tell me when the video gets online so I don´t have to check like 10 times a day.. xD Anyways, thank you for this nice episode. Btw, the editing on the videos is on point.. :)

[@DM-hw4cr]

A lot more better pedaling bikes than the yt

[@Baroque-Handel]

The gripe was with the Trail Boss itself or the fact it was tube and not tubeless?

[@wiggyt.3398]

Love honzo’s

[@ryanmartin9400]

Is the trek roscoe 8 better quality bike than this?

[@Basement_CNC]

i can get a ht with a 35 gold, mt5's tubelessready tires, 65 °hta for 1200€ so i think this is kinda overpricend and outdated not to mention the chranks are dub and not square

[@sethnicholls7861]

Can a head angle altering headset be installed on this bike? I'd like a slacker head angle.

[@mikeljhonson8959]

Out of curiosity i estimated the price of this whole bike in gbp. It would take no less than 1100£ to build with this similar individual parts.if frame price is 300£

[@jackgreen5960]

Hi everyone, I was looking at the Kona honzo. My budget is 1500. What's the best bike to buy for my $1,500 budget. I am a total noob. On a scale from 1 to 10, I would be considered level zero for trail riding. Appreciate any help!

[@jackhanson3649]

What happened to Mike’s doughnuts? 😆I love the videos!

[@gregoryvierra6114]

I don’t mean to be that guy but Kona’s are very overpriced even when on sale. This bike included.

[@joelod.4763]

Thats why they say moutian biking is "for doctors".

[@xav_B]

can you recommend me a few (or bunch) in the same price (with better value) range?

[@xav_B]

@@benjaminschuldt6211 thanks man! i'll check these out

[@dragrace1989]

@@benjaminschuldt6211 Salsa Timberjack is $1,599 for a similar build spec with 29" tires, how is that any better than the Kona for $1499?

[@mabbis8583]

@@dragrace1989 they are just sucking their bike brand, and looking this bike jelous

[@haydenmoore6534]

test the nukeproof scout its a much better deal

[@hsklar5941]

when duz the next grim donut vid come out?

[@1brandonbowman]

Is this good for bike packing and long distance

[@itsajoke631]

I just bought this bike, can I switch to 27.5 plus tires?

[@uonadtehrrocks]

Wonder how this compares to the Big Honzo for $200 more, .5 degree less head tube angle

[@ODPTV1]

My Kona Coiler is from 2006 and has a 67.5° head angle lol

[@Elena-sy4ki]

Nice Video 👍🏻

[@ewartbuilt660]

Sonder Transmitter

[@joseluisjimenez276]

Hello, Do you how much tire width accepts this frame?

[@judeday-palmer3952]

is this the same frame as the kona mahuna 2020?

[@joecantello]

Like all Kona's your paying a premium for the name. So basically getting ripped off. My mate has a VITUS SENTIER 29 VRS which costs exactly the same, yet the Vitus has a way better fork, better gears and better brakes. You'd have to have some serious brain damage in order to buy the Kona.

[@smokedsalmon3907]

Geometry is probably way better on the vitus too.

[@piciu256]

Yeah, the Recon is a pretty terrible fork all things considered. Mayby on a 1k$ bike it would be acceptable, but not here.

[@thebikehippie6562]

Vitus are not for sale in Canada. Same with the other brands people are listing

[@joecantello]

@@thebikehippie6562 but they are available in the U.S. where this test is taking place.

[@DM-hw4cr]

Like a commented earlier, how is kona still alive?

[@sdqsdq6274]

man why the seat post area got extra plaster or something

[@simonwenzowski9148]

Even if you got a Cannondale Trail 2 for $1575 USD you get XT/SLX and tubeless ready tires. And they're not even a direct to consumer brand, so no excuses for Kona to be so overpriced. Unless the Kona is $1499 CAD then it's an OK deal

[@kadett7849]

Orbea laufey H30 way better for the price 👀

[@lrvz7187]

You can even get a fox 36 on the orbea laufey configurator

[@Iggy52]

Kadett78 How is Laufey better? Same fork, even lower level brakes MT200 and it is 11speed. Same price

[@mabbis8583]

@@Iggy52 exactly laufey mt200 brakes vs honzo mt400 11speed vs 12 speed, same fork only laufey 140mm but why more travel is better? Or more expensive? We are talking about cross country - trail hardtails over here

[@Iggy52]

@@mabbis8583 I own this Honzo and put 2000km on it already. I was looking for an all-round, fun, nimble trail bike. And the Honzo is exactly that. Trails in my area are not super rowdy. I am tall guy (6'7") and Honzo's geometry with the super long reach, short chainstays is PERFECT for me. No need for more travel or slacker head angle whatsoever. It is very capable. Every time I ride it, I smile. Kona has kept the geo pretty much the same for 8 years, that says something. It's very well balanced bike.

[@mabbis8583]

@@Iggy52 yes the geo is on point for climbing and descending, i live in the south of chile near a volcano, the trails here are hard, loose and full of magma rocks, the real antigrip and the honzo is pretty capable to shred on them. Its a really good hardtail for the money

[@Tequila628]

That's a very interesting and well-represented video, I really like how Mike does... *WHERE THE FUCK IS GRIM DONUT???*

[@mortlemur9789]

My Kross Dust from 2016 has slacker HT angle (67,5)

[@MrFroggy29]

Kona forever 👍

[@pochito_javiercito]

I want one!

[@alexanderyang1710]

the wtb are not tubeless ready? or the rims are not tubeless ready???

[@Iggy52]

Alexander Yang the wtb tyres aren’t

[@michaelwagner8060]

Intro song??

[@samulai]

2021 version review? Seems like they upgraded at least the tires, BB and drivetrain.

[@samulai]

Also Orbea's Laufey H30 seems to be a worthy contender, maybe a comparison?

[@mikerotchburns1622]

where was this bike 5 years ago when i could still ride a ht

[@valeccylinder8703]

How does this France look in xxl?

[@twosons5290]

Oh, to send it blindly into the chunder......

[@raynabozny2338]

Where is it made ?

[@youngpoop]

how would this compare to trek roscoe 7? Im just getting into mtb and want to start out with a decent hardtail.

[@coreythefreeman5573]

In my opinion the Roscoe 7 would be better

[@Iggy52]

CoreyTheFreeman u must be crazy for thinking that

[@coreythefreeman5573]

@@Iggy52 why would I be crazy