Konnan & Disco ARGUE: is Triple H responsible for Ricochet's failure in WWE?

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[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

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[@loooooooongstanding2141]

Ricohet's biggest flaw is that he can't cut promos. He had 4-5 years to work on that and he never improved even slightly. He's just another version of Shelton Benjamin.

[@Hypno_BPM]

funny thing is AEW already has Lio Rush which to me is literally just a black Ricochet 😂 same in ring style, no charisma and no promo ability

[@BrendanFinnagin]

@@Hypno_BPMisn’t ricochet part black?

[@Hypno_BPM]

@@BrendanFinnagini always thought he was hispanic but whatever you know what i mean lol

[@RonWeassly]

@@Hypno_BPM Ricochet is also black. Mixed, but still Black.

[@loooooooongstanding2141]

@@Hypno_BPM what race is Ricochet?

[@AG-xc5ni]

They didn't push Knight and he got over. Pro wrestling is about more than in ring technical ability.

[@grandpacreampie]

Rollins isn't a good promo and he made it to the main event

[@grandpacreampie]

Wyatt wasn't a very good wrestler and he was a main eventer

[@jabroni7706]

@@grandpacreampie Rollins is good enough though not great. If Ricochet’s voice didn’t crack and shake so much he’d be fine

[@grandpacreampie]

@@jabroni7706 Rollins has a 12 year old going through puberty voice. Dude is smooth as hell in the ring but I don't put him top ten in promo

[@Hypno_BPM]

@@grandpacreampierollins has the energy and charisma though. Ricochet never ever showed half the energy rollins does in a match. Ricochets matches seemed way too safe, choreographed at times imo

[@augustusalexander5774]

He can’t cut a promo. No one cares about his gymnastics work Konnan. It’s the U.S. not Mexico or Japan

[@oddishhonor]

Konnan is blinded by flips. You can be as talented in the ring as anyone, if you don’t connect with the fans, it’s all for nothing. Hell ricochet as prince puma had more charisma than non masked ricochet

[@kyleday5026]

then u must have missed ospreay and fenix doing flips and dives it got the biggest pops

[@oddishhonor]

@@kyleday5026 ospreay has a better connection with the fans than ricochet does. He’s got more personality too. He will become overexposed soon enough though. And Fenix, for all his athleticism, he’s got a ceiling as well if his English doesn’t get better and he doesn’t slow down. Pops for a move don’t mean shit in the long run

[@philwalsh8975]

Ricochet is going to be absolutely ruined in AEW

[@RawPowerComics]

How do you ruin what is already a failure?

[@philwalsh8975]

@@RawPowerComics Tony Khan will show how soon

[@619AJ]

Ricochet is going to be the exact same person in AEW than he was in WWE. The only difference will be he will do more moves that puts his body more at risk of serious injury and Dave Meltzer will praise him for it.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

I would hope he'd be smarter than that. If no one is watching, why take the risks?

[@liamstewart4472]

I am a Ricochet fan but really, if he ever gets a leg injury and can't do the high flying stuff, he's done. I mean what can he do apart from the (admittedly amazing) flipping stuff?

[@duckmercy11]

This is like saying what can Michael Jordan do apart from the jumping stuff.

[@liamstewart4472]

@@duckmercy11 You can't tell the difference between wrestling and basketball, can you?

[@Presice]

⁠@@duckmercy11he won his last 3 championships without all the jumping stuff be became more cerebral, kind of like a wrestler that learns to master storytelling after his athleticism goes

[@jasondouglas152]

Ricochet has the mike pence charisma

[@stephenmonachello6256]

Basically

[@alexandermontejo447]

That's a lot of politicians.

[@philwalsh8975]

Tony Khan is so dumb he thinks Eminem invented M&Ms

[@rosspearman2808]

😂😂😂😂

[@philwalsh8975]

AJ Styles is a bigger draw than Swerve Strickland

[@rosspearman2808]

No doubt

[@anxofernandez3344]

He's been in the company for 6 years and even in NXT he wasn't making waves. He's had many great matches but in 6 years he hasn't had a really good promo or interview segment. He's won the North American, United States and Intercontinental championships, he had kinda interesting feuds with Sami Zayn and most recently Logan Paul and he was cooked on the mic every time. He's incredibly athletic and an excellent performer, but I don't think he's cut for the WWE style. High fliers, with the exception of Rey Mysterio, have a hard time getting really over. It happened to Kalisto, Sin Cara, Cedric Alexander, Mustafa Ali and most of the Cruiserweight division. They're fun to watch but if they're not on the show they're not really missed all that much. Even in NXT he wasn't like Adam Cole, Alister Black, Tomassi Ciampa, Johnny Gargano, Velveteen Dream...he didn't have a cool gimmick, he didn't have a connection with the fans, he wasn't a good promo and he didn't have cool vignettes. He's better off in AEW.

[@thesupervisor3270]

Is Konnan drunk? Ricochet doesn’t look like no damn Chris Brown! 😆😆😆

[@Queen01113]

He just must see they both light skin or something lmao

[@nojozol1816]

I think he may have had hair and was younger in lucha so maybe a little ?

[@Ndnjtj]

I like Ricochet but over the last 4-5 months, we've seen Seth Rollins, Drew McIntyre, and CM Punk stay relevant because their promo ability kept them going. It was crazy when drew and punk were the main draw to RAW when they were both injured and could only talk. Ricochet can't (or won't) grow in his promo ability. Granted he's had less opportunities but all of them weren't that interesting. I think Ricochet is going to have a similar problem at AEW, since it seems both companies only see his physical ability and not any character they can put their marketing behind.

[@daminashun8868]

Ricochet style of wrestling will get him seriously injured in AEW

[@hitmanchris]

This is the biggest thing I disagree with Konnan about in this clip. From D. Priest, K. Kross, Jimmy Uso, Logan Paul and others, HHH he given people opportunity in storylines. Look at Chad Gable since the Heel turn and his storyline with Gunther. So it wasn't the WWE/HHH fault because Ricochet had opportunity and was featured on TV. His storyline with Logan Paul didn't go well for him because Logan Paul cooked him on the mic. Ricochet did that great flip outta the ring. But he has no promo or character skill. Are we to TRULY believe HHH told Ricochet NO about taking a chance to character change or promo if it wasn't purely horrible and bad tv. Great in ring abaility SUCKS at character/promo he NEVER changed since his NXT days.

[@philwalsh8975]

Batista is a bigger draw than the entire AEW roster.

[@rosspearman2808]

Too EZ

[@619AJ]

But he has zero 5 star matches - the marks

[@philwalsh8975]

@@619AJ I would have rated his Mania match with Taker 5 star. Those guys worked great matches

[@26bigfella]

He had a good run in WWE... Ppl saying its a failure are ridiculous....he has alot of highlights and has been pushed as much as he could be pushed, without it being ridiculous.... Ricochet, cant be a top guy in a company, so whats the issue?

[@danehockam-dunn8193]

He wasn't a failure. He's held every belt except the big one. He hit his limit as a performer. There's no shame in that.

[@Hypno_BPM]

The Defiant Ones is such a trippy documentary. talk about a butterfly effect

[@jackiejones3296]

You know, Ricochet is still under contract to WWE for the rest of the month.... the AEW numbers came out yesterday and it's back down below the 700K rating. Would he really want to go there, money aside, to do all his high flying stuff if no one is watching? I'm not entirely convinced that he's going to leave yet, unless the AEW offer really is that massive.

[@duckmercy11]

$$$ >>> fame

[@phillipstankey8881]

Ricochet could do the amazing flippy shit...but that's a limiting style. He's awful on the mic...which limits him further.

[@addisonyoungg8052]

5:09 “I’m making my own point” 😂

[@zillaTV757]

Ricochet is reasonable for his run in WWE

[@Am0ment0fB]

Dude gonna go to Aew. Become Mr. Flippy Flop. Then will break his tibia in a month, just like Kingston & Edge. Ha.

[@wonipowa7542]

He'd end up jobbing to Osprey and be given some sort of sympathy title that doesn't really mean anything like a Trios title.

[@Am0ment0fB]

@@wonipowa7542 they can make Rick O'shea the Flippy Floppy champion. Ha.

[@nojozol1816]

Tibia world order

[@317russ]

The sad part is that Samantha Irvin is more over than he is. He's just her side piece now.

[@andrewcortinas]

I think WWE should use Konan and Disco. They are both very underrated for what they did for the business back in WCW. I still remember!

[@nkc46]

is he really a failure in wwe? he made more money than he could have elsewhere, got lots of tv time and held several mid card belts and had big ppv moments. He didn't become this generations HBK but you need so many things to fall right to be that. its not just talent

[@ck_idgaf1680]

Everybody though HHH was going to push Riccochet when he took over, I remember the memes. But look, under Vince he was US Champ and IC Champ, mid card. In NXT folks must have forgot he was North Am Champ and Tag Champ, mid card again. Sometimes it ain't just Vince's fault. HHH is showing some guys just can't get over. Honestly, I think he did what he could.

[@cultofgeeks]

I love Ricochet but i can't remember 1 promo he has ever done.

[@mansion1719]

Ricochet SHOULD have been pushed better, he should have been booked better... but he also seemed to refuse to fix his flaws. I mean, if your promo skills are the ONE THING holding you back then WORK. ON. YOUR. PROMOS. Doesn't NXT literally have a class that helps rookies with their promo ability?

[@philwalsh8975]

Triple H is a wrestling genius. Tony Khan is a mark with a rich Daddy.

[@whisperienced]

Ricochet is someone I always liked but wanted to like more. He lacks a bit of charisma but I can see that it's in there. Obviously he's great in ring but they just never gave him a gimmick that you can get behind. He had no character. His loss to Gunther was match of the year quality but there was no real feud. He should have been put in a proper tag team where someone else can lead on the talking or something. Shame how it went. Maybe Samantha could have done something with him like be a heel when announcing his opponents, like mess up their names or misrepresent their weight to get in their head. He might have benefited from a heel run. These are just off the cuff thoughts but definitely wanted to see him accomplish more.

[@Am0ment0fB]

I just hope that wherever Ricochet goes he changes his name to Rick O'shea. Ha.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

This joke is about 15 years old

[@Am0ment0fB]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL really because I think Rick O'shea was still in HS back then. Ha.

[@Am0ment0fB]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL don't hate on my comedic genius. Ha.

[@duckmercy11]

Rick O'Shea Jackson, with Ice Cube as his theme music 😂

[@qlee2385]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL kzbin.info/www/bejne/hV63d3-kaJWGb8ksi=D_pjSAk-fkE2kfK-

[@jamesb978]

Ricochet will just be another branch in the learning tree of Jericho .

[@cnotes1790]

When was the last time anyone bought a ticket specifically to see ricochet?

[@Queen01113]

Ricochet doesn’t look a dam thing like Chris brown lmao just because they light skin doesn’t mean they look alike. Carmelo kinda does tho.

[@AmongGangstas]

WWE tried with Ricochet, but he was not a failure in my opinion. He had some prominent storylines, was on TV weekly, and had a couple of belts. I guess our definition of success is different, and I was in the wrestling business. Keep up the great work.

[@SuperHyphyOne]

All the online wrestling marks determine a wrestler's success by whether or not he was given a world title run and / or being in the main event. Ricochet for all of his in-ring abilities, doesn't have what it takes to carry a worldwide company on his back.

[@parisiennemoonlight6650]

I agree 100% with Disco. Talents cannot always rely on materials given to them by creatives. They need to build something of their own that's entertaining. Prime example The Rock ,people boeed him when Vince want him to be Maivia . Then he went to Nation of Domination, and rest is history. He made himself. Nobody in creative told him that he should start talking like a third person as The Rock says. This was his idea, his creative.

[@KAllen-wj6eb]

It's on both WWE and Ricochet, I love Ricochet and for the life of me I can't remember one promo or any situation where he appealed to me other than in ring action.

[@johnstrika9170]

How the hell is he responsible? The only time he looked great was under Trips in NXT. It was OBVIOUS he'd never be a Vince guy. Everyone also forgets HHH took over for good only recently. It's hard to build a storyline for anyone new right around WM season. He needed FAR MORE time in NXT to develop his promo skills. The incel wrestling community, of course, will say "he wasn't used right" because they don't care if these guys cripple themselves. WWE added years to his career by not allowing him to do all of the nonsensical flippy bullshit he was used to doing

[@duckmercy11]

Disagree, nothing he did was outlandishly dangerous before WWE. He hadn't even done the double moonsault in years.

[@miscetc-tm2yt]

How was WWE protecting him when they had Bron slam him on concrete and bust him into a windshield.

[@TheOne-lb5pu]

Ricochet is a strong solid midcard wrestler. No matter where he has wrestled other than lucha underground he has been a midcard wrestler. If he was anything else other than that other companies would have put their world titles on him.

[@JSP-np7tx]

Play the Wolfpack song at the beginning again

[@classicviolence]

The mofo can't promo. Nuff said.

[@duckmercy11]

He doesn't need to. He was a star before he got to WWE. He needs to go somewhere where fans appreciate what he's good at, not try to force him to do fake acting and corny skits.

[@augustusalexander5774]

@@duckmercy11and all of 10 minute that show up for indie and AEW shows can enjoy that

[@mox19380]

holy god agree with DI. Ricochet is great in the ring, this is undeniable, but i can't remember anything of significance he's done outside the ring to build up to a match. there typically needs to be something about a person beyond just the moves they do that draw you to root for or against them. i'll watch a ricochet match and have zero investment in the outcome. not a good formula for main eventer. brad armstrong is the same. they are undeniable talented in the ring but ring work only takes you so far. if you have an element of your personality or talent that you can sell but aren't you need to really consider using it.

[@convictionnotice1]

I would expect Konnan to think Ricochet is underutilized, seeing as how Konnan loves lucha libre, and of course he worked with him in Lucha Underground. But Ricochet has gone as high as he could ever go in WWE. IC, US, and North American champion. He's had a good career. Flips and double moonsaults can only get you but so far. Ricochet has never cut an interesting promo, and we've seen zero character development beyond connecting him to his fiancee- who the internet loves for the most part. I think the worst thing that happened to his career is taking off the Puma mask and be handed a microphone. Let him go to AEW and flip around with his friends and milk Tony for every dollar while his body will allow. Normally I'd agree that WWE (under Vince) shortchanged him, but I just don't see what more could be done with Ricochet- unless he somehow purchases the rights to the Puma character and gets a manager.

[@alexanderwang6130]

I hope I’m completely wrong but I have a strange feeling that Richochet will go to AEW and with in a year he will be out for a while with an injury that WWE would’ve never let him get

[@BigPoppaPun]

Does Konnan know that Loiusville is in Kentucky?

[@Breezy8486]

Vince killed ricochet. As soon as he had him debut w those damn angel wing cape or whatever that was . It was over. From day one Vince killed him . Hhh can bring him back if he stayed .

[@jeritobabilla3843]

We are about to see the real ricochet, aew or not mark my words we are about to be blown away.

[@cowboy9275]

You have to have great mic skills to sell your gimmick, LA Knight Sean Wicker got over because he has great mic skills and knows how to sell his gimmick successful pro wrestling has a formula it works when executed properly

[@nojozol1816]

Disco right here. While his booking wasn’t perfect he also didn’t do anything to really stand out or take risks . .. konnan just really likes richochet and being a bit ignorant

[@grandpacreampie]

Im surprised the guy didnt find a his way to the top, myself. The same can be said about Killer Kross. It is what it is

[@rosspearman2808]

Nobody gives a shit about a guy that does acrobatics, you have to have charisma and character. A five star match has people invested, not a bunch of no selling bullshit.

[@TheOne-lb5pu]

Facts. WWE already has Dragon Lee and Wes Lee who can do the same moves

[@AMilano20]

Bro Konnan just wants to stay on Ricochet's good side so he can book him

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

it can just be that his opinion is different to yours?

[@ladySmokinTreezfourtwnty]

I Like Ricochet, I Wish Him the best. My opinion ricochet should go do the Indies for a year or two don't just jump into a company and please don't go to AEW.. but if he does I hope he Gets Seen n Wrestle as much as others do Hope he comes back to WWE Though

[@josephdell8056]

Konnan , an underated Eminem song is Godzilla !

[@huh8662]

Being a former IC & US champion is considered failing in WWE now? Not everyone gets a big belt or main events Mania. Coulda been better, coulda been worse.

[@jamesb978]

The best thing ricochet got going for him is Samantha.

[@ronaldcoley9982]

I feel like Ricochet’s failure is more on WWE. He’s a massive talent in the ring and they should have FORCED him to get better on the mic. He’s ok, but he’s not as bad as some people say he is. He should not be leaving, but it’s a failure on WWE.

[@drake4573]

*Working a dream job *Making $450,00 a year * Met his wife Damn, if Ricochet was a failure in WWE, what the hell does that say about the rest of us.

[@cjrosa6]

Every time Konnan says someone’s “cooooool” it pretty much means they’re not

[@dimitrisbright9807]

Ehhh…you’re way off on that one

[@cjrosa6]

@@dimitrisbright9807 he repeatedly said Tony was coooooool

[@dimitrisbright9807]

@@cjrosa6 That’s just one person my guy

[@Xeryoc]

Could have gone back to NXT for a bit, worked on his promos or something to highlight his strengths while covering his weaknesses like a simple repackage.

[@PaulJN566]

Unfortunately being a flip flop and fly guy isn't enough.

[@gimmiebackmybike1831]

if he really is leaving WWE the only real loss to the company is that he won't be in the video games anymore. He is always my go-to guy to play as, his move set is awesome for video games.

[@BIPOCShakur]

Ricochet is an acrobat, not a wrestler. Please don’t compare him to Rey Mysterio because Rey wasn’t just a high flyer. Rey had a high level skill set as a wrestler which Ricochet does not.

[@GP8201]

About the only good booking I've seen of Ricochet is when he was in Lucha Underground with the Prince Puma gimmick.

[@BrendanFinnagin]

I hope this is a work but it probably isn’t

[@TheLivewire18]

I’m with konan. If high flying isn’t your style that’s one thing, but ricochet is the best high flyer WWE has seen in a loooong time. But they used him as a jobber, and his athleticism to sell moves instead of being a star. I thought since NXT, WWE obviously sees what they got here, they can’t mess this up, and they just didn’t do anything

[@RawPowerComics]

No, more like Ricochets lack of charisma and boring personality are responsible for Ricochet's failure.

[@jaredbrady5566]

Jim Cornette is from Kentucky, Konnan.

[@GeDiction223]

TNA is his best option. Going to AEW, he would just be one of many. If not, travel the world and wrestle all the promotions you can. But don't get locked into a contract.

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

He limited himself in WWE. Why would he improve anywhere else? AEW would mean a big check and he would barely be expected to perform more than 2 times a month. Would New Japan find anything?

[@ninthlife1745]

I don't get this show, why are you all acting like you didn't know the reason why WWE never pushed him was because of the video of him playing with himself leaked online?

[@Kancerru]

Ricochet's WWE run wasn't a failure at all. He was an over mid-card babyface and that's the spot for him. Not everyone's world champion.

[@SuperHyphyOne]

It's okay Konnan. He was given fake hispanic decent when he wrestled in Lucha Underground, not real. You don't need to come to his rescue and make excuses for him like you do every other hispanic wrestler when he gets negatively critiqued or exposed.

[@JamesJohnson-tr1gu]

Ricochet will go to AEW, lose the matches that matter (Ospreay rematch, Swerve) and then get lost in the shuffle…the chances he gets lost in the shuffle is higher in AEW under Tony than WWE under HHH

[@NebraskaPoliceDepartment]

I’ll Take Care Of Samantha When You Leave Ricochet 😏

[@dimitrisbright9807]

Ricochet pulling baddies in the indies is definitely believable. The man got a baddie for a wife in Samantha Irvin. But yeah, simply put, Ricochet just doesn’t have an ounce of charisma on the mic. The dude just can’t talk. Let him go to AEW and join one of their hundreds of factions and someone can cut promos for him

[@deweigle]

Ricochet fits AEW better. Can fly high in the ring but can't cut a promo and is not a good story teller. But after he jobs to Ospreay a couple of times he will get lost in the shuffle.

[@KAllen-wj6eb]

U can get over w little to no wrestling skills like Goldberg or w ton of losses like LA Knight, if u have the character and or mic skills, Ricochet great wrestler but lack both, and had decade to develop.

[@mikefegan2324]

Ricochet is a bigger star than you will ever be

[@adamc-sv2tp]

How is Rick O’Shea a failure in wwe. He made tons of money, got better as a pro wrestler, met his wife, and is now a star. Seems like he did a good job.

[@RobHiggard]

His booking was a failure

[@Hypno_BPM]

i feel like Owens and Sami are the same with the serious wrestler persona that Ricochet goes for. But look at Sami, he was in the bloodline and being goofy and got over af. Owens was with Jericho doing the goofy entertainment stuff and got over af. Other than that Owens whole shtick is “i don’t wanna talk i just wanna fight” it’s so lame after awhile. You’re performers that are supposed to be entertaining. if all you wanna do if just have “5 star meltzer matches” than go to AEW.

[@UraRenge103]

He doesn't have charisma or a personality. He's just "that flippy guy"

[@retrokid562]

I love Ricochet in-ring work, but my guy promo skills are lacking. I just don't believe the stuff he says cuz he isn't selling me the passion and intensity. That's stopping him from reaching the top spot.

[@johansvensson833]

what failure ? midcard for years , numerous titles , on tv almost avery week a lot of indy guys/girls dream about that kind of career in the wwe most likley made sever figures during these years

[@cjmassey3206]

ya he should start dancing smh

[@AcesPlace22]

Why do we care so much about a jobber.. thousands of jobbers job out and yet we need to stop the press for this guy?... lets do weeks worth of stories on why eugene didnt win the big one... or why buff bagwell never got "the push"... more jobber stories

[@duckmercy11]

Not a jobber. He was the hottest indie worker in the world 9 years ago.

[@jay-p5191]

I like ricochet but he can't sell he jumps off the top rope after getting his leg destroyed like it ain't nothing .aew will use him until they're not the favorite toy no more But if we get rid of him and that means Samantha Irving's got to go then we better keep them😂

[@leovilla5358]

Ricochet started crying because he lost on mario kart on upupdowndown. That guy is a mark for himself. All athleticism and no charisma. The guy is raisin bran cereal when it comes to talking on a mic.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

was the UpUpDownDown title on the line?

[@leovilla5358]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL nope

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

@@leovilla5358 ah, must have been the LeftRightLeftRight title then

[@leovilla5358]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL it was literally just a friendly game.

[@mightypirate6094]

Logan Paul completely overshadowed him after just 1 year in the business. He can do all the flips but also has charisma.

[@LINKMASTERX]

LMAO Logan Paul can't do Ricochet's stuff........great, he can do a somersault off the springboard ropes. Fantastic.. I'm not even a huge ricochet fan, but he's undoubtedly a once in a lifetime acrobat. Now if we're talking promos, then you got it, pal😅

[@greglozano64]

You guys didn't talk about anything.

[@ramses1500]

Should of stayed in nxt till his promos got way better, in AEW he’s already better than ospreay

[@Eddboy33]

I don’t think k everyone wants to be a dancing fool, no shame if you are just not everyone wants to be that

[@thesupervisor3270]

Konnan said Em the best right now 😆😆 Ummm how about K-Dot, Drake, Gunna, and NBA Youngboy? Numbers don’t lie. Plenty of ppl have been dissing Em. Insane Clown, Ja Rule, Snoop Dogg, Benzio, Everlast, MGK, Joe Budden, and Game. Game killed Em and Ja Rule verse was dope but Em killed all these other dudes 😆

[@furryweeber8711]

Logan Paul is just a way better version of Ricochet in every way. That why he completely cooked him in their feud.

[@markmann5539]

Ricochet can do the moves but he doesn't have the personality.

[@rosspearman2808]

K Dog is delusional, Rey has charisma and Ricochet is just another dude who does flips and no sells. Rey made people feel something.

[@Queen01113]

Also Rey was the first of his kind and stood out on the roster and has the unique mask / branding had a mysterious charisma and had Eddie sympathy story

[@darnelldarden9429]

That new Eminem song is trash. I dont know what yall heard