Nice video! I have also that "WW2 siren sound" 😂 in e-Niro transmission when it's -15 C or colder. After 10 km driving it disappears.
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I done a 50km drive and then a 90km drive a bit later in the day and there was no more noise. So only makes this noise from a cold start.
@randyleggett44642 жыл бұрын
If it’s -35! Please dress the part! Where is your coat and gloves?
@ionuttimofti3 жыл бұрын
Nice Video! Thank you! Regarding battery heater, normally Kia e-niro should have from factory the following behavior: The BMS uses the temperature of lowest battery module in its logic to activate the battery heater. There are 3 conditions for the heater to activate: 1. The battery heater will come On if the SOC is less than 33% and battery temp is -5 degC or less. It goes off when battery reaches 5 degC. This seems to be for conditioning the battery for an eventual stop to a fast DC charger. The Winter Mode needs to be active for this to happen. 2. It will also be active when charging on 240v depending on battery temp as well. At -15 degC, it will engage around 82% soc. At 0 degC, it will engage around 91%. At 5 degC, activates around 93%. The Winter mode doesn't need to be active for this. 3. The battery will be active on fast charger as well. In most conditions, it will heat the battery up to to 15 degC depending of the starting % SOC. The battery will continue heating due to the heat lost during charging. Considering this behavior, maybe it's a good idea to go to the dealer to check the battery heating system.
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
Good info, thank you Ionut.
@Blaskarabas3 жыл бұрын
Super interesting!
@ionuttimofti3 жыл бұрын
@@FinlandTony You're welcome, regarding the fast charging speed: Battery temp < 1 degC : max power 18 kW 1 degC > Battery temp > 5 degC: max power 25 kW 5 degC > Battery temp > 15 degC : max power 40 kW 15 degC > Battery temp > 25 degC: max power 50 kW (50kW chargers) or 56 kW (>100kW chargers) Battery temp > 25 degC: max power up to 77 kW (>100kW chargers)
@arthurseval3 жыл бұрын
Some like in France doesn't have a battery heater. And makes those vehicules so Lame in the winter...
@iancujianu82223 жыл бұрын
Salut. Deții o astfel de mașină?
@paulterpstra67053 жыл бұрын
Nice videos. Reminds me of my many business trips to Luleå, mostly in winters. Although it's quite more south, we made many trips into winter Lapland (snow mobiles, northern lights etc.). I have my e-Niro for almost 2 years, one of the first ones in the Netherlands. This weekend it will hit 100.000 km and with no issue at all. Last weekend we had -10 C, this weekend we will have +16 C. But during all seasons the e-Niro runs fine. Even in high Swiss winter mountains.
@Blaskarabas3 жыл бұрын
Hi! Have you measured the bat degradation after 100k km? Have you noticed any range decrease? Cheers from Spain at 17°C torday. I have Kia e-niro my19
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Terpstek. Wow, 100,000km and no issues, that is really encouraging to hear. Makes sense that Kia offer a 7 year warranty knowing their cars rarely have issues. Yeah I seen pics of the snow and ice skating in Holland last week. Nice that you guys got a proper winter this winter, albeit quite brief.
@paulterpstra67053 жыл бұрын
@@Blaskarabas No. Before corona I drove 1400 km/week and via OBDII the SOH is still 100%. I even always charge to 100% at my home charger and not the adviced 80%, because I need the fulle range. Haven't noticed any reduction in caacity yet, only influenced by temperature.
@vickgrant87833 жыл бұрын
Tee shirt at -35C. Thank goodness you put on a jacket. Interesting though. Look forward to consumption info.
@YeCannyDaeThat9 ай бұрын
It's clearly a deliberate choice. "I'm going to wear a T shirt to try and look hard".
@jeffreyclements73013 жыл бұрын
May I say, concerning the charge flap door, you should be pressing it exactly at the play button ▶️ symbol which is directly in line with the charge flap release spring. This is its strongest point and will prevent air line cracks. Also because you had been charging the main battery your 12v auxiliary has been receiving 14.7 volt charging all night, so no need for the backup to kick in. Keep the videos coming, really enjoy them. 👍
@Xanthopteryx Жыл бұрын
If it is full i really hope it is not charged with 14,7 V...
@jasondresser3 жыл бұрын
-35 and you not wearing a jacket ???? I get my new e-Niro 4+ on Monday morning, looking forward to it. Having watched most of your e-Niro video's I feel I already know the car. Thanks Mate!!
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
Ace mate, it's a great car, I'm really impressed with it, especially for the price. I'm sure you will be too. Enjoy Monday. Are they delivering cars now during Covid instead of collecting them at the dealer?
@jasondresser3 жыл бұрын
@@FinlandTony Delivery to the customer during lockdown
@d7mysterio73 жыл бұрын
I have been watching this channel for a little. I also watch other Kia Niro EV content but really enjoy your content. I was in the process of our purchasing an EV. We looked at the Model Y and the Mach E. When I saw this video it sealed my choice in buying the Niro. Today I've had my 2020 Kia Niro EV Plantnum Edition. I absolutely love it. It's great on the highway, and fun to drive especially in Sport Mode. Thanks for the video. It really showed that the Niro is a solid EV to get.
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
Thanks David, enjoy the car buddy. I need to do a 6 month review, needless to say it will be glowing. Done over 20,000km now and I'm really quite fond of this car, brilliant doing long distances in it.
@d7mysterio73 жыл бұрын
@@FinlandTony Looking forward to your upcoming video. It's a great car with great efficiency so I think I'll keep it. It cost a fraction of my gas vehicle to run each week so I'm very happy.
@rudolfmouthaan78922 жыл бұрын
here in Yellowknife, Northwest Territories (Canada) we 'enjoy' these extreme temps too. What I do with my gas operated car is plugging in a Blockheater, a battery warmer and a battery trickle charger. This will get the motor turned over in extreme temps and always have full battery. On the other hand, I am now less worried if I will switch to an EV here in the north. Thanks for the video
@LuvingToryChristman3 жыл бұрын
According to KIA you really shouldn't have the car just standing around at 100% at these temperatures. Common recommendation is around 30-80% if you haven't any trips planned for the day. Especially when at sub-zero temperatures. Also: Reeeeealllllyyyyyyy loving your videos. Got a max spec 2020 eNiro myself! 😊👍
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sebastian. Yeah the cell voltage increases as temperature increases, so you need to know what you are doing charging to 100% in -35°C. If it suddenly goes to to 0°C that could be bad indeed. I'm keeping my eye on it. Glad you love the videos!
@rikhan173 жыл бұрын
PS, did you already find two specialties of the E-Niro I use all the time? 1. Auto regen (press right flipper for few seconds), it coasts when no-one is in front and regens more the closer you are on a car or obstacle in front of you. 2. Brake till complete stop (and auto-hold) when holding the left flipper.
@andrzejp87823 жыл бұрын
Yes, I always knew the EV is superior to all ICE cars 🚗 👍
@chunkychuck3 жыл бұрын
How do you have any exposed flesh at -35 😂 Finnish blood!
@myblackboxrocks3 жыл бұрын
Love the content - fellow e-niro owner here in the UK. I'd strongly recommend setting your target charge percentage to no more than 80% in those temps unless you're heading off right away on a longer trip that would need a full charge.
@Deuxiit3 жыл бұрын
Most hyundai and kia ev owners here in finland seem to charge to 100% allways since the dealers keep telling you can charge to full every time and it has no negative side.
@migueljardim81772 жыл бұрын
@@Deuxiit Which isn't true if they are using any chemistry other than LFP, which they don't.
@someoneelse76292 жыл бұрын
What are your problems with batterys? I live in the northern Sweden, and the batterys in my cars works just fine if it's -35, sure in my Diesel pickup I have 2x60ah but in all my petrol cars I have one battery around 65ah, and they start in -35. the 12V battery in an EV only have to supply the electronics, not a starter motor, so they can do that even frozen solid. The EV's only problem with cold should be the range loss
@kevindarroch73323 жыл бұрын
Why would it be flat if it was plugged in? My Dad in Canada plugged in cars in Canada in the 1960's. Always started. I have left cars in the snow for months and had a solar window charger under glass on the windshield, buried under snow and it always stated.
@AuroraBorealisLive3 жыл бұрын
In Finland, we have only engine block heaters, the battery is not heated, so in -40°C the battery is also -40°C. Solar panel in winter is useless this far north, no really, there is no sun for two months from end of November til middle of Jan. I think you were just lucky.
@jeffmenard4639 Жыл бұрын
Went through the same weird noise during a -35 C two day spell here in Montreal …once we went to -13 C it went away. Contrary to you I was getting kWs going to Battery Care during the cold spell.
@myblackboxrocks3 жыл бұрын
Could be the reduction gear rather than the motor. While the motor is brushless, the reduction gear still has to mesh physically with the drivetrain and that means grease and friction which would be affected by the low temps
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, could be the reduction gear. Wish I could "rev" it in neutral with a stethoscope to pinpoint the sound like a fossil car. Possible on a rolling road, but none exist up here.
@Xanthopteryx Жыл бұрын
@@FinlandTony Could raise it up (securely of course!) so the wheels are free.
@benson0981232 жыл бұрын
Love the channel keep up the amazing content. Regarding the gas cars 12v battery’s regularly being dead at -35 and below I’m guessing most of those batteries are 5 years old or older??? Was always a common sight in Canada to see some one getting a jump start in the morning on a cold day. As more people started driving newer vehicles and replacing there batteries the first time they wouldn’t crank over quickly you almost never see it any more. Add to that most all vehicles in Canada come with a factory block heater and in the colder parts of Canada most every one plugs in at night. The useful life of a battery in northern climates is around 5 years. After that there on borrowed time. Not many people have battery warmers, I put one on my first new car in 2000. Every other vehicle I just used the block heater. Synthetic oil also made a big difference in starting a vehicle when you forget to plug in. Love your channel 👍
@benson0981232 жыл бұрын
My new v8 gas work truck started at -35 with all synthetic fluid and a after I forgot to plug in the block heater But it didn’t like it and sounded horrible for the first few seconds 🙂
@rikhan173 жыл бұрын
Hi, you say in all your videos that your E-Niro is a 2020 model. But is is the same as mine, a MY21 model (with the silver waving bar on the dashboard and the 11" screen). I bought it July 2020, but it is the 2021 model with 3-phase charging and the UVO remote app.... I also absolutely love the E-Niro, although the Mustang Mach-E would also have been nice (but due to delays it would have arrived too late in the Netherlands because of changes in taxes). But keep the videos coming 😁
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
When I put my VIN into VIN decoding websites they all say 2020. I will try to find a work around so I can get UVO to work with my car though. It would be most useful.
@rikhan173 жыл бұрын
@@FinlandTony Yes, there is a difference in the year of buying/building the car and the "model year" the manufacturer gives the car. But you have the newest version of the E-Niro. UVO should work fine, but you live in Finland and I don't know how well mobile reception is over there. The car will need to be able to make a connection to the server. The app sends the commands to the server and the server sends them to the car. It is not a direct communication between the app and the car.
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
@@rikhan17 There is 4G all over the country, even here in remote Lapland. I-Pace used to connect everywhere, no issues. I might get a different phone and set it to Sweden and set up the UVO app.
@notsoprotip58063 жыл бұрын
@@FinlandTony Sorry but you cannot add UVO to a Finnish sold MY20. The hardware is missing in the infotainment even though it is 10.25”. That is why I cancelled mine and waited for the MY21 that just as in Sweden and Norway could only be purchased from February 2021. Some markets may have labeled them MY21 earlier but not here. The UVO app is developed in Germany and they did not include Finland before 2021 for some reason. This fact and that Kia dealer did not include the hardware on MY20 is a big f**k-up if you ask me.
@blackthunder37433 жыл бұрын
Thanks man for making all these videos About ev in -20 or more in winter. I live in Northern Alberta Canada and im thinking about getting one. I very worried about an ev in the winter
@jimhiebert650 Жыл бұрын
don,t mess with evs up there they are not proven
@MichaelEricMenk3 жыл бұрын
17:50: Finnmark is a county, not a municipality.. Regarding diesel cars in the cold, I drove a VW van in Sør-Varanger municipality. We did not plug it in at night, and started it up in -40°C. We started it in the morning when arriving at work, and let it run all day. It was not drivable the first 15 minutes, no avable torque for driving due to cold engine.
@surreyshooter3 жыл бұрын
Hi Tony, how much of a difference does "Winter Mode" feature make in those temperatures? Love your videos!
@stevencorrea79823 жыл бұрын
2016 Kia Soul EV 13 below Wichita Kansas 30 KW battery does excellent no problem 13 below wind chill factor air temperature I think 17°
@Deej4962 жыл бұрын
Wondering how sub freezing temps affect the life of the ev batteries in the long run.
@jak83 жыл бұрын
t-paitakelit kun lämpö nousi yli -40 :D
@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa202 жыл бұрын
If the Pajero is a Finnish spec Pajero ( with two batteries, good glow plugs, etc. from factory ), it will start fine in -35C. But you want to keep it plugged in to avoid wear on the engine. Same as in EV's, you want to keep it plugged in cold. Fossil cars that are well engineered work well in cold and most importantly don't loose range. Current EV batteries don't like cold. For example VW had a policy in Sweden that warranty is void if the car is parked below -30C for multiple nights without plugging in. Luckily they had to remove that statement.
@Deuxiit3 жыл бұрын
Never had flat battery with fossil car at - 30c. Battery just needs to be replaced every 3 to 5 years and you need to drive the car more then 15km a day so it gets recharged. Lots of flat 12v on evs when you look at KZbin videos though even on warmer weather. =) 12v problems is also gone if you get maintenance charger that also heats the engine block =)
@notsoprotip58063 жыл бұрын
Great video! We have 0 degrees and raining on the Aland Islands. (Last week -23 but that is unusual). What is up with that winter mode? I thought it would start if the battery falls below -5. Kia needs to fix this since low battery temp prevents fast charging.
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
Greetings to Åland. Only ever seen it from the boat in Mariehamn. I must visit there proper one day. Yeah that battery heater is useless. Hopefully Kia fix it with an update.
@powerfluseFWK3 жыл бұрын
I think the battery heater is just active under 33% SoC or / and when you charge "fast" in cold Temperatur. Perhaps you can make a test for us. Here in Germany mostly it is not so cold. Which tires are you using?
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
@@powerfluseFWK Tyres are Nokian Hakkapeliitta 9 studded.
@fusion84843 жыл бұрын
Most likely the oil in the reduction gearbox is thick as hell.
@52juanoli3 жыл бұрын
Hi Tony, interesting video. Since you asked, I live at Barcelona, Spain, and our outside temperature is coming up to +13 degrees centigrade. I recently got a Kina Niro phev which works best for city driving on pure electrical mode while having an extended range autonomy for long distance travel. Besides, Spain is lagging in charging stations for pure electrical vehicles, specially the high power ones for quick charging, so to me a plugable hybrid car looked as a most sensible choice.
@opalrx72 жыл бұрын
Usually when EVs are charging, the DC-DC converter keeps the 12V system powered, that's why it could start :)
@digitalxtremehg2 жыл бұрын
I've had my Niro for a Year and at 8200 k miles and no issues at all
@Xanthopteryx Жыл бұрын
Power steering fluid in fossil cars... I have not have that since i bought my Mazda 6 2010. Now i have a Volvo V90, also with electric power steering. Is hydraulic power steering really still used in normal cars today?!
@DeepFinger-UA9 ай бұрын
Beautiful Norway 🇳🇴 ❤ From Poland 🇵🇱 -15 C 🤷🏻♂️
@whocares2643 жыл бұрын
please test a lithium 12volt battery in these temps.... good video
@MichaelEricMenk3 жыл бұрын
To get correct voltage on 12V litium, you have to use 4 LiFePo4 in series. These can not charge below freezing at sufficient current, so you need a battery heater. If you charge a battery when it's too cold, immediately and permanent damage win occur. There are no LiFePo4 battery that small with battery heater on the market (The smallest I have seen is 100Ah).
@whocares2643 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelEricMenk 12v Lithium Batteries ... Each winter we see temperatures in the -40F to -20F at our factory in Grand Forks, ND. ... This is because the voltage curve is flat for a Dakota Lithium battery - you get all the ... would have twice as much usable power as a 10 Ah lead acid battery in ...
@MichaelEricMenk3 жыл бұрын
@@whocares264 yes you would get more energy out of the battery. On Litium-ion batteries the maximum charge current is a direct function of the battery temperature. When the battery cells are cold, the litium-ions will move slower. On discharge this will result in and larger voltage drop. But if you recharge the battery over the safe level the lithium-ions will be converted to lithium. This damage is permanent!!! This is why EV have battery heaters. Source: Battle Born's CTO
@whocares2643 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelEricMenk Now, Elon Musk has released another previously unknown detail about the new Model S and Model X: Tesla is moving to Li-ion 12-volt battery.
@ebonita8403 жыл бұрын
I am a little elderly and thereby more demanding when it comes to cabin temperature. For me comfort temperature in a car is 23 - 24 degres Celsius. How does the Niro heating system cope with low temperatures? Is it capable to achive 23 degrees inside? Heating pump tend to be less usable/ unusable in temperatures below 10 degrees minus?
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
It's a very warm car and the heater is great. The heat pump is not terribly efficient in really cold temps like -20°C and colder, so it will have to use a lot of energy (probably still better than none heatpump cars though). But for sure, it'll keep you warm down to -40°C (as cold as I've tested it). I'm very impressed with it's heat output, it matches (or is marginally better) than the Jaguar I-Pace I had before it for heat. The heated seat and heated steering wheel are very warm too. It's a delight to drive in the Arctic.
@ebonita8403 жыл бұрын
@@FinlandTony Thank you Tony. Maybe there is an electric element supporting the heatpump at low temperatures? However it rarely comes down under -15 degrees Celsius at my latitudes in South Sweden...
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
@@ebonita840 Yes, it is a 6kw heater.
@88epep2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but it was on charger over night. You should show electricity bill for that charging. I am sure that it was no longer so ECO like they claim it is. If you would give diesel a jump start it will start in minus 30... probably minus 35 also.
@cordkretzschmar56933 жыл бұрын
Do not charge in this Temperatur more than 90%. Better only to 80%. And do not go under 10 to 20 % because the battery suffers in the cold..
@ilkkapaavilainen26873 жыл бұрын
Engine sounds like turbine some kind of. What about the power, is there a full power availabe?
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
I didn't put the pedal to the metal, but it seemed to drive totally normal. No power restrictions or anything.
@kaapuuu2 жыл бұрын
You can actually hear the temp you know he says truth just by the sound of snow he is walking :D
@diesel4ever2732 жыл бұрын
-35°C and this guy is walking around with a T-Shirt XD
@MichaelEricMenk3 жыл бұрын
24:10 he has some misconception about how the 12-volt auxiliary battery is charge in a EV. On ICE cars, the battery only when driving. While EV does it different. Some cars charge it all the time, some then driving and plugged inn, and som only when driving. I do not know what Kia does.
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
No misconception. The auxiliary battery is automatically charged when the vehicle is in the ready mode or the high voltage battery is being charged. Neither of which was occurring when I came out to the car. In addition, extreme cold depletes batteries, so one can still have a flat battery in -35°C even if it was fully charged the day before. In EV's, you generally need to be driving (or the car is on run mode and sitting in your driveway) or charging to put charge into the 12v battery. If the car is left standing for any amount of time, the 12v battery can get depleted. Kia does have a mode where it top up the 12v battery occasionally, but it isn't perfect. My 12v battery has gone flat when I have left things on in the car in neither charging nor run state.
@MichaelEricMenk3 жыл бұрын
@@FinlandTony As far as I know, Tesla is the only car that charges the auxiliary battery all the time. My car does it only when charging and driving. EV uses constant 12 V power for the BMS and the telecommunications is an additional draw on the battery. But parasitic load is also a problem for newer ICE cars, even without BMS, the remote unlock ++ use power. That's why the Defa packages normally comes with a battery charger. And yes, I do know how it is to drive in -40°C...
@WalterWhiteful3 жыл бұрын
can you please do the same video but unpluggeg. in fact the car was connected to the wallbox all night. so the car was charging.
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
Car was not charging. It finished charging the day before but was just still plugged in.
@perto19703 жыл бұрын
Got the E-Soul and people ask me what about when it is cold, well, maybe this video will make them shut up :)
@Reddylion2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@SaanichtonMinistries10 ай бұрын
Turn the heater right up and watch what happens to your range! Lol
@yingmustang6711 ай бұрын
Yeah get a Jacket, please!!!
@David-bl1bt3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Definitely a reynauds nightmare😮. I wouldn't be able to cope in those temperatures, brrrr 😱 I was expecting your parking brake to have frozen up tbh! I've never seen studded tyres before, I expected the studs to be as big as on football boots! The app on your phone looks interesting. What app is it and is it easy to set-up? Totally loving your videos, refreshingly different than others on youtube. really enjoyable and educational, not just about the car but also the lifestyle and experiences in such a cold environment, fascinating. That noise is wiered, reminds me of the al capone TV series I watched as a child 😁 Yes, do a video on the ice road👍
@gateslattes4686 Жыл бұрын
But u had it plugged in? Shouldn’t have a problem Do it over night not plugged in
@AndrewTSq2 жыл бұрын
my old audi did not have any trouble starting in -35, so get a new jeep if it does not start :)
@huss12053 жыл бұрын
12v battery is charged while the car is plugged in for charging the big battery, it will not be dead, and when you drive, the battery is charged from the big battery, it never stops charging...
@uweburger3 жыл бұрын
You can see it is really cold, he put long trousers on
@PaulHVAC13 жыл бұрын
I live in Canada. -35 c my head light lens would be frosted over, heavy heavy steam when you talk like your are. Windows would be totally frosted and I would not be able to stand outside in a t-shirt. Must be a different -35 there.
@ATAT0113 жыл бұрын
thank god you have your beanie on. You might get cold
@stevemccormack99483 жыл бұрын
Dude, put on your jacket or you won't start.
@UploadsOfStuffIsGood3 жыл бұрын
FINLANDTONY IS THE BEST
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
Thanks son 😁
@jaxxdotorg3 жыл бұрын
+12°C today here in the mustard city, can't complain (actually, I don't like these mildly fresh temps, either a real good sub zero cold, or a real +20 to 25°... it's these "in between" weathers that kill me) Anyhow, get your motor checked, -35 or 20, it shouldn't be making that noise... My e-Soul 64 never made a single noise like that since day 1 (which started at the dealership by -15° from Troyes in northern france and ended 20 coffees and 1300km later in Toulouse by +10° ;-) )
@bennynol13 жыл бұрын
are you sure its the electric engine ..sounds like a frozen wheel bearing
@FinlandTony3 жыл бұрын
It's not a wheel bearing (had many wheel bearings fail over the years and replaced a fair few myself). I'd say it's definitely something to do with the motor.
@Bubblechicken13 жыл бұрын
@@FinlandTony sounds like you have a bearing problem in your motor. The e710 motors have a known defect, check if you either have the e710 motor or the e711. Get it fixed if you have the e710 and use this video as proof if the dealership doesn't believe you.