Kia Niro EV charging on 200 kW fast charger

[@jceess]

Bjorn is the only guy I trust to give proper detailed videos, because he actually knows what he's talking about!

[@TheSweMusicMan]

Good choice to have commentary instead of music 👍

[@MrHSIE]

TheSweMusicMan I agree. Well done. Good idea to show this kind of information with a commentary.

[@johnnorth9355]

85% seems like the absolute realistic fast charge maximum so given the cars range this makes it a real long distance travel vehicle. Great work Bjorn - this is the kind of stuff EV car buyers really need to know.

[@JohnDoe-vx3z]

+235km in 30mins, that ist not bad.

[@nachocollantes7602]

1 h charging 426 km. So impressive! Great video!

[@raybouchard6840]

I just came back from a 1100 km trip from Ontario Canada to Maine USA. SOC of 20 to 50 % got me a consistent 118 kw with our Model 3 then it throttled back to 70 slowly. Much better than our Model X 75 D

[@Updukat]

Congratulations on 100 000 subscribers!!!

[@toostrong2209]

Awesome effort and really detailed informations! I cannot think of anyone else from whom i can learn so much in depth! Great! Thank you!

[@davithdevries6774]

Epic Bjorn! You do know you're the first person on the interwebs to make a real (review) video of the Nero EV? ;) And they're awesome informative, as usual !

[@MrKroolboy]

Keep the Niro videos coming! 😃👌⚡️

[@aviatorsteve859]

Thank you Bjorn for awesome and very informative videos on Kia Niro EV and Hyundai Kona EV. I am one of BMW i3 owners in Southern California USA (also a fellow member of BMW i3 worldwide group on FB). I have two 2017 i3s with 94Ah batteries. Plan to replace one with other EV. Your videos really helped me to set my eyes on Kia Niro EV once it becomes available in USA. Please keep up the good work. Thanks.

[@GSino]

Niro Looks Prety Good Car!!! I started to love it like kona!

[@spiritmorin]

Nice to explain your observation. Commentary was a good idea.

[@MrHSIE]

Well done. I watched till the end. It makes sense. I always wondered why they gave ”To 80%...” comparisons.

[@DiHandley]

My Prius does the same thing. The gauge shows empty and full so it looks fully charged. But it operates from about 10% to 90% to save the battery. The Kia Niko will definitely be my next car when the arrive late next year. Great review.

[@stephenclay6852]

Hi two good videos up to yet. I have been looking forward to the Kia Niro Ev tests as I’m looking at possibly having one. I currently have the hybrid version at the moment and enjoy the car. Will definitely having a test drive when it arrives in the uk. Keep up the good work.

[@stealthhack]

Bjørn Nyland you have to see the end voltage divided by the number of cells will say the cell voltage, that is absolutely not 4.2V on full charge, that means that it have top buffer on these cells.

[@nemanjareljic]

Congrats on 100k subscriber's!

[@MrVegasoul]

I am always enjoying your video. Maintaining 0.2 C rate at the point of full charge condition is not from the extra capacity but from the low impedence of the battery itself. Depending on the battery, the impedence is quite different. If it is high, more heat is generated. Caused by the cooling limit, high impedence battery needs to reduce the current. By the way, some Kona EV in Europe is equiped with battery from SK plant in Europe.

[@decimal1815]

For a Nissan Leaf owner, this looks like EV Heaven :)

[@AnthonyWoodruffe]

I charged an e-Niro a few days ago on a 175KW Fastned Charger. I wanted to experience charging because I‘ve never done it before. I started at 93% and finished at 98% and received a whooping 3.74KW during the 30minute charge. I know it was a big waste of 7.50€ but It was worth it and also adds to the proof that the e-Niro goes beyond 94% with a fast charger.

[@AzizIzgin]

Hmm I thought I wanted to buy this car but this means that on motorway in Sweden , I would have to stop every 3-3,5 hours (350km range ) to charge for at least 50minutes… That is pretty slow charging compared to id3/id4 and Tm3 sr+ … Just thinking of when we take long trips… why don’t they have faster charging in today’s 2021/2022 e-niro?

[@leifjohannsen1662]

Like your other videos this one is also perfect. When you say the battery is about 70 kWh I actually charged my Niro 68,3 kWh plus 9 km remaining before charging. With 210 W/km it will be: 68,3 kW + 0,210 kW * 9 = 70,19

[@bjornnyland]

You forgot to count top buffer, heat loss and bricking protection...

[@leifjohannsen1662]

Ok, how can we estimate that losses? I charged at home with 7,3 kW all the night.

[@maximilianholland]

Awesome. Interesting about the SK batteries, and fractionally different (though very similar) charging curves. Will be really interesting to see what happens on a 250 AMP charger with both the Niro and Kona - please keep a look out for when the Kjerlingland Ionity charger comes on line soon. Keep up the great work Bjorn.

[@davithdevries6774]

The Kona and Niro are sadly limited internally to 200A (probably because of the internal electrical component integrety, so not upgradeable by firmware), but maybe the 250Amp Ionity can push the full 200 instead of ~190 seen here. The battery voltage just before the amperage drop at 58% SoC is 380V, so *absolute maximum* you would be able to see is 380*200= 76kW. Afterwards, the voltage does climb but the current (amperage) is limited by the BMS, so the 250+ amp charger has no use >58% SoC here. In conclusion, you could see slightly faster charging 0-58%, on average about 3-4kW (72-76 in stead of 68-72), but that's less than a 2 minute gain... Best chance on faster charge is if Hyundai /KIA decides to slightly improve their charging curve / tapering method. This would result in far more gain (just using the 200A CCS1 spec chargers that become widely available now).

[@ianrobins5501]

Davith de Vries the 200A limit is because CCS1 is limited to 200A. the Kona and Niro will need CCS2 to see if they will charge at a higher rate

[@davithdevries6774]

@@ianrobins5501 yes, CCS1 is limited 200A, however, Kona and Niro are internally limited to 200A as well, according to multiple sources surrounding Hyundai/Kia, and Bjorn also reports he heard this. So it doesn't matter if it's a CCS2 250, 375 or 500amps charger, the car will only take 200a. Compare it to connecting a phone fast charger to an iPhone 7: it will not charge faster, the BMS in the chip limits the current, no matter what the charger can deliver.

[@maximilianholland]

Davith de Vries - thanks for this information about 200 amps being the engineered max for these two vehicles. I hadn't seen that clearly stated before. Do you have any reference for that (not that I don't trust you, just that I need to be able to point to a source for the info). Yes I agree that having full-on 200 steady amps (rather than 190) from a well engineered charger will help.

[@davithdevries6774]

Of course, first I could find is from Greencar Reports www.greencarreports.com/news/1116041_5-things-about-the-2019-hyundai-kona-electric-we-learned-at-the-ny-auto-show [[ (4) The CCS fast charging can operate at a slightly higher rate. Hyundai measures charging current (amperes) rather than power (kilowatts), but given the pack in the Ioniq Electric, it was capable of fast-charging 173 amps. That translated to a a rate of 70 kilowatts-for which a 100-kw charging output was required. The new Kona Electric can handle a maximum current of 200 amps, meaning it can handle a peak power of 80 kw-still within the capabilities of new 100-kw CCS fast-charging sites found in Europe and South Korea today ]] I have a slight hope that the charging curve will be optimized in future updates, so that we can use 200A for longer / tapering slower / more gradual decreasing, and that they start conservatively to avoid problems for the first users. We did see these sort of changes for Tesla's. But I would think this would take 1-2 years of data. Ionic hasn't changed anything since release, for instance. It might even change when they switch battery manufacturer / cell type in later production years.

[@brianmwanzia3556]

it is on this channel where i first heard of the kia niro and hyundai kona EVs

[@snoozieboi]

0:31 What's it's called again?: "Die young Chevy" - are they messing/dissing with the bolt?

[@wedrive-derblogfurelektrom2899]

Very nice. KONA, IONIQ, Niro - great. I mean at 93% it is like a ZOE R90 with 22 kW AC (appr. 18-19 kW DC) which is peak! That is awesome!

[@colla555]

It seemed as soon as the voltage rose above 384V the current dropped by 30A, resulting in the lower kW at 57%

25 kW all the way to 90% is quite impressive!

[@nordic5490]

It is not real mate. Kia is telling lies. Li-ion chemistry means the charge rate will fall away to zero when fully approaching 100% charge. Tesla is correct.

[@pauldavison7105]

@@nordic5490 he explains this in the video. Tesla slows down because 100% on Tesla is 100% battery capacity but on Hyundai and Kia 100% isnt maximum battery capacity. There is a buffer to improve battery life hence the slow down on a Tesla charge isnt present as although the car will stop at 100% there is still spare capacity which the charger can sense. This is why Tesla Wong use regen from 100% but Hyundai and Kia will. Saying it's lies implies some kind of dishonesty but in reality they are doing you a favour to save battery wear but in a Tesla they cut corners by quoting max battery size and not giving you the extra buffer as Tesla is all about flashy figures and not the customer.

[@ingolfurarnar697]

Yesterday I was charging my '21 Niro EV with a 64kwh battery. I started charging when battery was around 20% and the temps outside were around 12c but charging never went over 55kw but my car is supposed to be able to charge at 77kw in a DC charger. And I was using a 150kw DC charger. So why didn't I see higher charging speeds? By the way thank you for a very informative video. Excellent info 😊👍

[@HikeTheBlues]

Damn, I'm super interested in this car. I was waiting for the Model Y to trade in my Leaf, but I might not now. I'll at least wait for the Y unveiling in March next year, just to be sure, but I'm sure I'll have to wait that long anyway just to buy a Niro EV stateside.

[@Shponglas]

Bjorn any info on nominal voltages in Niro vs Kona? IIRC Soul used 4,3V chemistry

[@safargris815]

Bjørn, a question. If you had to choose the best electric car in the priceclass of 250-450000kr then based on storagespace,range,efficency and comfort which car would you reccomend ?

[@capelin66]

Thank you for another useful and educational video. Hopefully the batteries in the Niro has OK quality :-)

[@TBasianeyes]

Can the batteries be fully balanced with a buffer at the top end? Awesome little car.

[@frankbjrnsten7189]

Have you testet the acceleration compared to Kona. Is there a big difference???

[@hollymolly518]

i heard some ev don't use all the battery and when the battery degraded, it'll pull from reserved battery, so you will not feel any battery degradation...until you used all the reserved battery

[@DerBlauzahn]

Silver Play Button is on its way ;-)

[@StaticApnea]

Good stuff Bjørn. One question, is it possible to assign when charging will stop, like in a Tesla. For instance, is there a choice to set charging to, let's say 80 % or some shit like that?

[@bjornnyland]

Charging level can be set from 10 % to 100 % in 10 % increments. Tesla allows 50-100 % in 1 % increments. But Tesla has one setting only, whereas Kona and Niro has separate settings for AC and DC.

[@passionphotodanielarguin]

You are the Best!

[@ferrarihap]

you rock man! Gleder meg til mer

[@phillem31]

Better with comments thanks

[@PaulMansfield]

It's interesting that 100% is not truly full on the Niro.. So if you live at the top of a hill, you can regen immediately on leaving home, but not if you have a Tesla and charge to full.

[@briise]

very importen message. please stop charging at 70-85% at the fastchargers its benefits all ev driver. if you need more change to slower outlet

[@freetrailer4poor]

as long as no one is there you can keep going. I don't have an ev, but if someone is around I might stop at 50%.

[@wikusvandemerwe2762]

I'm having a battery fantasy: oversized by 25% (so 100% is really 80%), solid-state, 5C charge rate. I pull up to the charger, and without exiting the car it connects and gives me half a charge in around 5 minutes, say 400km out of the 800km max range. To think, this will be our reality in under a decade. Anybody have some youthful years to sell me? There's too much to see and do to get old!!

[@louishenn3028]

I think I know what your saying. Had same idea. Basically, a battery has 100% capacity, but it can overcharge to 125%, but at slower rate. Instead of reality: 80-100% is slower

[@wikusvandemerwe2762]

@kl wies Funny you mention the Niro. I bought the PHEV yesterday, the first in my country. It's highly annoying the EV version is so restricted and Norway gets most, but yeah, having a giant battery and a fast charger is the way to go. One hardly ever need charge to full. I read today that there are now EVs that will do 0-80% in 12 mins using the 800V standard. Such a bright future. Bye bye ICE!

[@sharonbraselton4302]

ñopé get 100⁰ mioe év 100 kw bàtery turdturp chsrg up

[@MrVegasoul]

If it can not reach 100%, the capacity should not be claimed for customer display. SK has been supplied the highest power battery which will be applied for Mercedez EVs. High power battery means low resistance, high efficiency, and high cycle life.

[@Randy-rs1cg]

and so the tom foolery begins with the EV's Empg. Must be lose regulations on determining battery size. So car makers can pump up its EPA rating and trick customers into thinking it more efficient then other cars that dont have a "reserve". That 5-6kw reserve drastically lowers the Empg of the car. and shouldn't be allowed to contribute to the over all range

[@yodagerhard8389]

Have you a possibility to find a fast charger with cooled cable and connector? Thanks Björn for your very good infos for us 👍

[@payates]

Do you know whether the e Niro 4 2020 has the heat pump that increases range in the winter months by reducing battery drain when the interior heater is on?

[@rudigergmach7051]

Old Kia Soul stops at 84% - but you can restart the charger - then it continues until 94% at lower speed.

[@1SneakPeek]

Wonder why you have lights on throughout this test..? Just saying...

[@Randy-rs1cg]

Is the actual range affected with Dc fast charging? Do you still get the same range after a DC charge and driving a Hot battery?

[@knowmoreandlearn]

Hello Bjorn - I have a suspicion about the 100% and what it stands for... In the beginning about 2006-2012 did for example samsung/ericsson's mobiles need to be reset in a alleberate way. The 100% where kind of automatic calibrated by internal program to show 100% by calculating the batteries degrading and show the current level of the present full charge level. I do not trust any companys/cars internal system it has to be a a third party independent check. I might be wrong... In the Pnoes i supspect that it was a kind of charge protection to not damage the battery when it degraded... But what i am thinking is the 7 year warranty that includes the battery to be at least 85%

[@stanfoyle8453]

Does the Nero have a phone app like Nissan Leaf?

[@SololaneMvlog]

Is it the same for the 39 and 64kwh e Niro? I mean does it charge same « speed » or is it like kona a difference between the 64 and 39kwh?

[@PascalFrankfurtM]

You think that the bottleneck is the charging station and not the car? In germany we have a lot of HPC chargers up to 350kW so it is CCS 2 and it should be possible to get more then 77kW.

[@bjornnyland]

The car is the bottleneck.

[@PascalFrankfurtM]

@@bjornnyland oldstyle EV, no good thermal system, the fear of Kia because of their battery guarantee (7 years/150.000km in germany) or something else?

[@frankbjrnsten7189]

My new Car, no doubt.

[@linkinparkmmm]

100 kkkkkkk congrats i wish we will see 1 m :)

[@stili774]

Can you pay Korean Chargers with MasterCard or PayPass?

[@mangoginger8924]

Enjoyed the video and I noticed how the KM was increasing up to 500. I have a problem I can't seem to figure out when I use Level 2. I have a 2019 EV Niro. Originally I was able to obtain 485 KM and now I can only get 420 - 440km. Please -Can anyone suggest what I can try???

[@paulinquebec]

So if my Nero can charge at a speed of 70 kW on that 200 kW charger. Is there any advantage to using the 200? I mean if I’m using a 100 kW charger will I still get 70 kW? I’m expecting I would but just double checking! I’m pretty sure where I am the 100 kW ones are cheaper than the 200.

[@bjornnyland]

No

[@baderalhousainy]

very nice

[@valerio-casadegliulivigaet6697]

Thanks for your videos! I'm interested to buy in 2019 a Kona EV or a Niro EV at the top of the range. In Italy now we know the price of the Kona, not of the Niro. Do you know if in Corea Niro costs more than Kona and how much? Thanks

[@larsenpetter]

The Kia Niro EV costs about 5% more than the Hyundai Kona EV in Korea.

[@davithdevries6774]

Seems to be about 10% charging loss, isn't this a little more then usual? (15-58%=27.5kW in 26.5min=62.30kW actual battery charging speed, while the displayed delivered power during that time is constantly 68-72kw)

[@bjornnyland]

You mix up kW and kWh. Please correct so I can understand you ;)

[@davithdevries6774]

@@bjornnyland you're right :p I'm afraid autocorrect didn't help. 15-58%: 27.5kWh* of energy in 26.5min = 62.30 kW charging power, while the in car display reports a charging current of 68-72kW this entire time. *58-15= 43%*64kWh capacity = 27.5kWh

[@Tavohl]

i thought US plug in niro only offers 26mi per charge, wonder whats different from korean model

[@Trades46]

The Ionity charger was putting 85 kW into the I-Pace in Germany - the voltage for the Jaguar is higher?

[@bjornnyland]

+Trades46 Yes, watch the video I made.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

úrsbitbíd

[@joelcarterramadge183]

Tesla must make the batteries charge with less buffer so that they wear out quicker so that owners go back to buy a new one when the battery is degraded, like any "Tech Company" should!

[@HerbieNO]

Sweet.

[@paulrautenbach]

Comment much better than music. Thanks.

[@nemanjareljic]

What would it take to charge in 15-20 min to 75% state of charge?

[@nemanjareljic]

@@robertjohansson3182 Tnx. But why this Kia take about 40-50min with 200kw charger?

[@nzxtifyjanne1902]

Its not charging at 200kw. It's charging at a maximum of 72kw.

[@luissantos6230]

Cooool stuff

[@hidri86]

Why my Kia Eniro 4plus it only takes 40kwh the max I’ve seen

[@sharonbraselton4302]

yrß itvdudé

[@talkandplay]

4 years later and the new niro EV still only has 72 kW max DC charge..state of the ark Kia ...what a bad decision

[@CAESARbonds]

And I wait for my 3,7 kW to charge...

[@andreasnyh5740]

O man My next car is going to be a ev car.

[@Christer885]

👍😊

[@ulif.7593]

Björn, how fast can Niro charge at AC? Thanks for your Videos! 👍

7,2 kW ac speed max.

[@ulif.7593]

Leo Hedegård Thanks for your Information. The same speed as the EQC...at AC 😂🖖👍

@@ulif.7593 👍

[@esadtoplica-h1r]

490 km i can never hit that, its always 350 km

[@onkarsingh-xk1dn]

Its take 1hours 30 mins full charge fast charge and 8 hour at 240 kilo watt at home soooooo long

[@benjaminangehrn7010]

Haha! First comment again!

[@ZillionPrey]

What a worthless life you must live.