Korra is an Overrated Disaster of a Show

[@ElliotKeaton]

Imagine being the next avatar and Korra being the only past life you can ask for advice from.

[@betterlatethannever4529]

That’s what is going to happen

[@outisaudio5838]

"Just run up and punch him! If he knocks you out your friends will save you!"

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

tbh she is better bender than Aang Also not her fault that she faced a tougher opponent than Ozai

[@drysten887]

"If you're getting your butt kicked, just go into the avatar state. It won't help, but you'll look kinda cool."

[@vlad_gor_]

She have grown a lot as a person since season one. You're certainly underestimating her character. Kora's character is actually great. This show gets as much undeserved hate as it does for undeserved love.

[@rustyshackelford312]

Only the executive producer and head writer Aaron Ehasz master of character arcs could save the show. But when we need him the most he vanished.

[@alexwhite2330]

I see what you did there! LOL!

[@nurval1093]

@lonebattledroid4474 i was thinking the same. TDP is what an avatar sequel should have been.

[@yourehereforthatarentyou]

@Lone Battle Droid dragon prince is aaron ehasz? i should try watching that, i’ve been avoiding it up until now bc it looks like garbage cookie cutter generic fantasy on the surface. but now i wanna at least give it a chance, that man knows how to write

[@1olpoorboy]

Pocketsand Sh sha

[@MomoKanjaki]

@hexproofproject8199 Yep. You nailed it!

[@vixouu7925]

one of the things that ticked me off was after korra lost connection to her past lives, she could still use the avatar state. The avatar state, as roku tells aang in ATLA, is the knowledge and/or power of all his past lives, the glow represents them Here's the quote: "The Avatar State is a defense mechanism. Designed to empower you with the skill and knowledge of all the past Avatars. The glow is the combination of all your past lives focusing their energy through your body. In the Avatar State, you are at your most powerful, but you are also at your most vulnerable." so, after Korra loses her connection, how could she still use the avatar state?

[@noahdrucker3076]

I was thinking about that as well. My interpretation (and personal head cannon) is that although HER connection to the past avatars is gone, they weren't actually killed off. She, for whatever reason, just couldn't access them anymore, and because they were never really gone, she can still go into the avatar state. I also like this theory because it allows me to believe that the next avatars will still get to speak to their past lives, and that this is just one of the many ways in which Korra was a failure.

[@achmedycreedo]

they really kicked the previous world building out of the window.

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

Ravaa itself allows avatar state. Every time the avatar dies avatar state becomes stronger, because there is more knowledge. But raw power stays the same, so naturally when she lost the connection to the past avatars she would only lose the knowledge in avatar state

[@Superiorer]

@@mynameisntjoe3024 Ravaa doesnt exist

[@reksfoleur859]

That's because in LoK they treat the Avatar State as nothing more as a power boost.. "super saiyan mode"... Your question is relevant :-)

[@powerofanime1]

One of the biggest mistakes that they made with Korra (among the vast ocean of mistakes they made) was assuming they could actually find a subject darker than genocide to tackle.

[@aekaralagonisi]

Honestly if they just had one season where Korra was a young brat having to deal with the geopolitical aftermath of the fire nation colonies and earth kingdom collapse/Kuvira rise it would have been quite good. Unfortunately they bit off way way way more than they could chew.

[@ADragonNerd]

They may not had found something darker than genocide but they did find themes darker that ATLA could never touch such as torturing the protag to the point they have PSTD and depression

[@sirdark1381]

So does the plot always have to revolve around genocide because it is the darkest subject?

[@honkhonk8009]

Doesnt need to be darker. Needs to be just as interesting. They couldv expanded on the Dai Li and made the earth kingdom some oppressive communist controlled country. Couldv had a Cold War ahh plot line between the fire nation and the Earth Kingdom.

[@flowerbloom5782]

@@ADragonNerdthat’s not that dark. Jet gets brainwashed and earth kingdom is like a big brother country. The torture scene only seems dark cause it shows you it.

[@TaqSoto]

I just try my best to pretend this whole Korra thing never happened. My biggest problem with it is that it kinda shits on the whole avatar lore. Personally, I like the idea of the avatar just being a natural thing in the world. Balance was a big theme in ATLA and it made sense that in a world where people could bend a single element that there would be one person in the world that can bend all 4 to maintain balance between the nations. I hated the whole Rava and Vatu thing. Even the history of bending. In ATLA they established that people learned bending from watching the "original benders" of that element. The moon for water, the badger moles for earth, the dragons for fire and the Sky bisons for air. That felt like a more natural way for bending to come about in the world. To then turn around and say that the lion turtles gave people bending felt so bad.

[@JRexRegis]

Yes! I'll even go so far as to say that in ATLA, Bending was never framed as *magic.* You don't cast magic spells that make fire come forth, you (unknowingly) emulate the way a dragon breathes fire and the world, being spiritual, lends you the power just as it lends them theirs. Bending doesn't come from the inside, that's _why_ it's called "bending". You're not 'conjuring' or 'evoking', you're _bending_ the natural world. This goes further with things like lightningbending, which involves emulating different parts of the natural world - the way lightning flows through conductors, the way the clouds generate it in a thunderstorm. The way the show explains where it comes from is especially significant for waterbending, because we know why the Tides happen - they're caused by gravity pulling on the water. But the people of this world don't. They see that the moon is on the horizon and that the water is gone, and they see that the moon is behind them and the water is close. To them, and therefore the spiritual world, there is no difference between the way the moon pulls and pushes the oceans and the way a dragon breathes fire, which is why waterbending works as it does. Then LoK came along and turned bending into magic granted by lion turtles

[@TaqSoto]

@@JRexRegis Couldn't put it better myself. The rewriting of the Avatar and bending lore is the biggest crime of LoK.

[@PeppermintCat]

Same it actually makes me angry if I think about it too much 😭😭 the spiritual side and lore which linked to the cultural influences made the original stand out and be so special! And LOK just through it all away 🤩🤩 I’m with you that I just try and pretend it didn’t exist lol

[@magical571]

@@JRexRegis yes, you can even listen to toph in og atla saying something reallt nice to this effect, when she talks about how bending and learning it (in her case from badgermoles)it's a way of interacting with the world and seeing it, rather than straight up a fighting tool. Which is also much more balanced, natural and interesting.

[@slappy0917]

honestly anything they would've done to "explain" the avatar and bending would've probably fallen flat for me, even if it was written better. having this ancient world with spirits who have been here since "the beginning" is so mysterious and freaking cool that any explanation kinda ruins it. i like how we learn the lore and history of the world alongside the characters, being told through stories that have been passed down and paintings on walls, it feels more organic than a random 2-episode flashback in a different art style. i like how even past avatars don't know everything, they aren't given unimaginable strength and knowledge, what they can do is limited by what they learned in their lifetime and nobody can just answer all their questions, even once they've passed. it's like how showing the monster in a horror movie makes it less scary. leaving things to and beyond the imagination of the viewer is just more satisfying somehow.

[@furlycee]

It’s WILD to me that they thought people wouldn’t want a female protagonist when ATLA was arguably the best example I had growing up of thoughtful, complex and badass female protagonists… and it had A LOT of them. Like Nickelodeon wasn’t even paying attention for the first series or what? And on a side note I will probably never forgive this series for killing off previous avatar lives. Like that is such a core and beautiful part of the story that I think makes the avatar truly special. And if the writers want to make a whole “avatar universe” exploring different avatars, maybe DON’T eliminate the whole previous avatar thing.

[@marcusaurelius4777]

People DO want strong female characters. It's called Katara and Toph...not these wokism "feminist" so called "strong women" who ironically take the WORST aspects of masculinity and amplify them. A strong man is patient, understanding, compassionate, reliable, honest, etc... these are all traits of a strong man. Notice how these traits can easily apply to a WOMAN and be interchangable? Hollywood forgot that, in their woke crusade and this is the result: men who are "humiliated" and "cuckolded" as eunuchs to be laughed at, and women who are aggressive, angry, and temperamental. Sad, really.

[@SIDDIQUIMEZHGAN]

i completely agree with u except the last part. eliminating the past lives was the end of an era. 10 000 years later raava was reborn stronger and more powerful. i thought it was poetic. also the idea of the past avatars helping and being there for the avater is great and all but if you've seen the show and read the comics, you know they didnt do jack shit. they couldnt even help aang in his fight with ozai. they were there for the world building and mystic aspect of the show, not adding actual value to the avatar or the show. i think youll survive

[@skull1161]

@@marcusaurelius4777 a couple years after TLOK every single piece of media was suddenly about an all powerful girl boss Rey from star wars for example, gets almost no training and is able to do things that the chosen one(anakin) couldnt do, and whats even funnier is that the thing that Rey was able to do that Anakin couldnt, is literally the reason star wars has a story that is because Anakin turned to the dark side to protect his wife from dying, would have been great if Anakin could have just took a hint from Rey and force healed everyone he ever loved another good example is captain marvel, for some reason she gets 1 movie out of nowhere that not only weakens Nick Fury but makes every other problem the Avengers had with Thanos seem like it shouldn't have ever happened, cause shes more powerful than every character we knew of before

[@Imagination_V1.0]

@@marcusaurelius4777 Not to be rude but that’s not what woke means. 🫤

[@NW-sm8xq]

​@@SIDDIQUIMEZHGAN I don't mind the past lives dying, if the writers actually owned the idea of it having consequences. The retroactive "it's a new era now, there will be another 10,000 years of past lives in another cycle" is more insulting (and gaslighting) in my opinion. Even if it is part of a cycle, the rest of the Avatar world wouldn't know that.

[@AvengerAtIlipa]

Remember when Aang was an abusive ex to both Toph and Katara, but then held hands with Sokka at the end of Season 3 while they looked into the sunset?

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

Gender reversing Korra would get the show instantly cancelled. Bolin being abused is a joke for a whole season 💀

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

E;R pointed it out in his videos. The love triangle with Asami Korra and Mako is extremely gross. People just don’t want to see it.

[@cassva7213]

​@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116FACTSSSSSSSSSS

[@cassva7213]

Omg, did you notice how Korra entered mako's office and broke the table because she was mad, like wtf? That's not just being emotional that's violent and abusive

[@kereal2591]

because gay is bad but lesbianism isn't that bad

[@mickyodell]

I can’t quantify how much I hate the decision to remove all of Korra’s past lives. It was such a painful thing to see the thing that made the Avatar truly special just taken away. Part of the reason I think that the Avatar was really special was their age and experience. They are a repository of history, information, culture, bending styles, contracts between humans and spirits and a mediator. It’s almost as if the writers did not understand the full breadth of what they had created. I’d also be really pissed if the only one of my past lives I had to ask for advice was Korra.

[@Ploopbloopz]

Womp womp It's crazy that whatever happens in Korra y'all are mad 😭 when there are no consequences (Aang giving her back her bending) y'all whine, when there are consequences (losing her past lives) y'all whine, genuinely wtf do you all want?

[@Bon-gt]

@@Ploopbloopzwe want a better show than “LeGend Of KoRra” the avatar who gets her ass kicked every time 😂 shes more of a liability ruined the avatar state shame

[@hueyfreeman6262]

​@@Ploopbloopz atleast we don't blindly eat up everything bryke feeds us just because it has avatar labeled on it atleast we have minds of our own and don't look to bryke as the fountain of knowledge other that using our heads and calling them out on thier bs. How tf do you expect people to be ok with the past lives being incinerated, like are you ok? Did aang mean anything to you?

[@hueyfreeman6262]

​@@Ploopbloopz you know what would have been true consequences keeping tenzin and his family the only airbenders in the world instead of having a magic portal poop out new ones

[@aryanullal2877]

If we think about the past lives especially in atla, the storg function was mainly for expository dialogue explaining what aang needed to accomplish, how the avatar state works and other things surrounding it and history and backstory. They were there more for the viewers to understand with aang the situation is in. They were very cool and essential parts of atla, but in terms of advice we only see that in filler episodes which mean nothing and on the lion turtle. And the result of that wasn't super important to the end of the story. Like when iroh met korra in the spirit world that essentially functioned as an avatar past life, or when she meets old zuko or toph. It seems like the anger associated with the decision is mainly around the fact we didn't see adult aang do shit, which is unfortunate but again is mainly for fanservice as other people can play the role of a past life. Like if aang just wasn't there as a past life to talk to, I doubt there would be as bad of a hate for it

[@dennisgrandt6385]

For me, it is the character inconsistencies. Mako who was raised on the streets would NEVER snitch on his friends to the police about their plans to get military help. It is just too unbelievable for me to have a person with such a background would be so disloyal and snitchy.

[@AyamesChronicles]

Mako is a very moral person despite his upbringing. Even when he ran with gangs, he stuck to accounting and told his brother to not get involved with them. The few instances we see mako interacting with the gangs, he used them for their assets even if he didn't trust them fully, like in book 2 when making a sting operation for Asami. The police wouldn't budge so he tried to help her any way he could. For a 17 year old kid, he has some sturdy beliefs he sticks to.

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

@@AyamesChronicles W

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

​@@AyamesChronicleshes a account for dirty money you think he still has the moral high ground?

[@AyamesChronicles]

@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord he left the life for a more honest living and avoids the triads despite it being easy money

[@Vaed_]

Ah right. The guy who consistently said he put all the crime behind him and is a more moral, law-abiding citizen. THAT Mako?

[@trinidadonassis7411]

The main difference between the two shows, one had Aaron and Elizabeth Ehasz and the other one didn't. The Ehasz' were the heart and soul of ATLA. Bryan and Mike were the guys who were in the public eye the most and as a result got most of the credit. Once Bryan and Mike were on their own (they wrote Season 1 of LOK) we all saw the difference.

[@hanburgundy4317]

They also wrote a lot of episodes of ATLA - ones you probably loved - and most of the other writers returned. J/S, I see a lot of shade thrown at the guys for LOK, when they had a big hand in making ATLA what it was. Not saying Ehasz didn't have great ideas, mind you.

[@BhBc8f8]

Also one had the full backing of Nickelodeon and the other did not.

[@alexanderfreeman3406]

@@BhBc8f8 Wait, are you implying that Korra didn’t have Nickelodeon’s support? When Nickelodeon bought and paid for all four seasons of the show by the time the first season aired?

[@BhBc8f8]

@@alexanderfreeman3406 Does this look like support to you? "In a couple hours the eighth chapter of Korra Book 4 will be released online, and I suppose, if you are none the wiser, a few minutes into it you will feel duped and yell at your screen, "Hey! This is a crummy clips episode!" And that is (almost) exactly what it is--except we all worked really hard to make sure at the very least it isn't crummy. I'm here to explain why we ended up having to do one. Sometime around a year and a half ago we were similarly duped on a large scale. We got the news from the higher-ups that our Book 4 budget was getting slashed, almost to the tune of an entire episode's budget. We had two options: 1) let go a significant number of crew members several weeks early, or 2) make a clips episode. We never considered the first option. We weren't going to do that to our crew, and even if we were callous enough to do so, we never would have been able to finish the season without them." In an interview, animation director Yoo Jae-myun revealed that Nickelodeon wasn’t sold on the series because of the female protagonist. “The production was suspended just because the protagonist was a girl,” he said. “To compare this situation to a movie production, it’s as if the lead actor has already been cast, but the production agency decides to stop filming because they don’t approve of the actor.” Because of the creators and the animation studio’s persistence, execs at Nickelodeon changed their minds. “We wouldn’t take no for an answer and we finally got their approval,” said Yoo "Korra’s final season didn’t even get to air on TV - halfway through season three, just when many fans believed the show was at its creative peak, Nickelodeon pulled it from its TV schedule, citing declining ratings. Instead, the last half of season three and all of a truncated season four were only released online, with very little promotion”

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@hanburgundy4317 The difference is that, similar to Neil Cuckman for the second Last of Us game, there was nobody left to say ''no'' for the bad ideas. E;R highlighted this already: Mike and Bryan even in TLOK had some good ideas. Emphasis on ''some''. The issue is that because they were now the sole writers, all of their ideas were put into the show unchecked. As a writer myself, I know how that can fuck your consistency. I'm extremely cautious, yet even I have had times where it took proof readers to ask me a question I just never would've thought of upon encountering some form of failed consistency that I never noticed was there. What I assume happened is that Bryke had both more motivation (you can tell by their commitment to the show, how they were doing the dances and many of the animations themselves so as to show their animators what they wanted) as well as somebody to filter out the bad and only allow the good during ATLA. For Korra it was all business, and they just showed up, threw whatever came to mind into it, and then shipped it.

[@jaijaihankcockvegavandam8785]

Kinda weird that the main male characters are poor,being laughed at , and not much part of a story. Bolin being in abusive relationship, Mako being accused of cheating tho korra is the one forcing herself on him IN FRONT OF BOLIN. By the way Mako supposed to be a sign of respect for deceased voice actor Mako. Yaikes

[@PizzaMadeMeFat]

They really disrespected the real Mako with this

[@General_Kenobi_212]

What they did with Bolin just made me sad When I watched the first couple of episodes when they first came out years ago I initially thought maybe Korra would get with Bolin....yeah, that didn't work out, but then to have her get with Mako his own brother (at least for a while) then twist the knife by putting Bo with some psycho chick instead is just cruel... Why you gotta do Bolin like that???

[@AyamesChronicles]

Bolin and Mako aren't the main males. Arguably Tenzin is.

[@jourdanfarquharson4697]

@@General_Kenobi_212 didnt he end up with opal which was an actual healthy relationship

[@bizdude4lfe]

@@jourdanfarquharson4697 Yes, yes he did

[@bion-geek-le1109]

biggest disadvantage Korra had is that Atla had a goal "to learn the elements and defeat the firelord" and we say on how a simple almost childish goal can get complicated and catch our heroes off and watch how they grow to adapt to it Korra on the other hand just did whatever with not real endgame goal except "oh now another bad guy time to fight them"

[@artix755]

The end game was spiritual enlightenment that’s the whole goal like with Aang it was mastering the physical side of being the avatar but with Korra it’s the spiritual side. Over the season you can see Korra being less hot headed and trying to resolve things like Aang would finding the common denominator and creating peace like she did 4 times through the series

[@honkhonk8009]

instead they couldv done the opposite lowkey. Such a simple goal that the heroes needlessly overthink and overcomplicate.

[@loppedoffhead1]

@@artix755 She barely did much. And she was NOT a good avatar spiritually. Its been shown in the past that the spirits and humans did not get along at all, which is why Avatar Won split the human world and the spirit world. After when Korra rejoins the spirit and human worlds, it is shown in a CANON sequel comic that the spirits didn't like that decision at all and didn't like the human's trying to force their way into the spirit world, which led to them fighting back. Korra basically just went in, beat the spirits into submission, and then left. Korra didn't do any of the peacemaking. She just beats up whoever she thinks is wrong in this scenario and then leaves it up to others to clean up. Same thing happens in the very first season. She beats up amon but does nothing about the bad blood between the benders and non-benders.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

@@artix755 If the goal of Korra was Korra learning the importance of the spiritual side then having her nuke the spiritual side and devolve the spirits into either a hamtarro anime or literally just the most simplsitic concepts of good and evil spirits was a huge mistake.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

@@loppedoffhead1 The whole avatar won and etc thing was a retcon of the original series all of season 2 basically was a retcon or a devaluing of the original series concept of the avatar state and spirit world.

[@hannahstarinieri1351]

What was really annoying in Korra was that; bloodbending, lightning bending, and metal bending were only used by the best of the best in their respective bending with Aang, the avatar, not being able to do them. But in Korra, anyone can use these special types of bending even with the most normal bender

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

Bloodbending was still used by the best waterbenders. The only reason about lightningbending and metalbending being common is, because 1) Ozai didnt want anyone other than the royal family to know about lightningbending, because it’s their powerful family secret, so after they beated Ozai this knowledge would be common 2) metalbending was just discovered and only in comics Toph started teaching it

[@likiaslll6533]

@@mynameisntjoe3024 bloodbanding was made by the best one but only with full moon, thunderbanding wasn't a secret, only the master coud do it there is an entire episode where zuko try to learn it but fail because is an hard tecniche.

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

@@likiaslll6533 all bending is genetic. The lady who discovered bloodbending was not as talented as Katara, who learned this instantly. With those informations in mind it’s easy to deduce that if some talented waterbenders family was trying to learn bloodbending then their power would go on their kids and if their kids were practicing it then it would be even stronger. Zuko didnt insantly learn lightningbending, because of the conflict he had with himself and too much emotions, it’s even stated by Iroh

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

@@likiaslll6533 also wdym lightningbending wasnt a secret? Only members of royal family knew about it (Azula, Ozai, Iroh and then Zuko)

[@thegifting267]

​@@mynameisntjoe3024 Why doesn’t almost every fire bender do lightningbending then? If lightningbending is still a uncommon thing then that brings up another issue. What issue? Two of the main characters shouldn’t have financial problems because 1 should get paid a lot of money for knowing how to lightningbend.

[@DieNibelungenliad]

Man, I wish Korra was just one season long and was about Korra learning airbending and being involved in the all the political turmoil instead of that really annoying sports game and that really unnecessary love triangle.

[@sovryn9786]

Yeah, the other three seasons were a lot better tho

[@Flome810]

@@sovryn9786 Book 2 was hot garbage

[@dgagamingaesir]

@@sovryn9786 book 3 was trash as the villain was mentally retarded. Season four and the ptsd bullshit was based on korra's season one personality,which was erased through amnesia in season two. Also,kuvira was the hero of season four. They made her into a villain ,but she did more good than the republican council,and prevented the council for ruining evwrything.

[@doc_vader2776]

@@dgagamingaesir whats wrong with Zaheer tho?

[@dgagamingaesir]

@@doc_vader2776 his goal is freedom from leaders and traditions.(traditions like generating kings ,the avatar etc) He chooses anarchy to accomplish this. Think about it. You kill a leader. Then ,in the chaos that ensues, another leader will emerge. It's human nature; some want to lead, others want to follow. So, anarchy causes a power vacuum, people fill it up, and zaheer will never be able to achieve his goals. At some point, zaheer would be a leader in the eyes of many, and thus he would have to kill himself if he follows his ideology. Altogether, he and his ideology was stupid af, and it was painful to sit through a season of him, and head many people glorify him to be a great villain.

[@sunsetsky9885]

I absolutely despise the handling of spirits that you explained really well but the designs are awful, they’re now weird glowy blobs, translucent and unnatural colour whereas in the other show they were usually animals or animal like and kind of looked like they were from the regular world but just more mysterious, and spirit energy lasers is just so bad on so many levels how is this even real?

[@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpe]

as a fan of korra, i admit it, that sucked balls.

[@devss4982]

That's quite the idiom you used Vulpe💀

[@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpe]

@@devss4982 vylpe

[@theastronomicalmisfit8049]

Tell that many other shows that you may like with lasers in it 😂

[@rizonidetrajano4225]

man let's not even talk about spiritual portals, when the only bridge between the spiritual and material world is the avatar itself, and how did korra shit that

[@LeonidaGator]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought LOK was a horrible sequel. It’s truly baffling how the original creators mess up so bad. That’s why I just pretend it’s not canon & enjoy ATLA as a standalone.

[@Ploopbloopz]

Ppl who hate Korra are so brainless lmao

[@_st4reater]

@@Ploopbloopzyou write the show or something? cuz you’re defending it with your life and for what 😐 people are allowed to not enjoy/criticize something you like

[@Ploopbloopz]

@@_st4reater I never said u can't enjoy something ☠️ I'm just sick of hearing ridiculous unwarranted complaints about it, you can hate anything but stop acting as if you have valid takes when most of it is just people being blinded by nostalgia for ATLA, even this video is annoying considering a majority of the things I hear about Korra are blind hate so idk where they got "overrated" from Also you're being very hypocritical lmao, they can criticise it as much as I can defend it

[@kw_2707]

@@Ploopbloopz People are allowed to express their opinions. That does not warrant calling them 'brainless'. Hope this helps!

[@flowerbloom5782]

@@Ploopbloopzcry harder

[@Serryy]

How did they manage to go from Katara, Sokka, Toph and Zuko to Bolin, Mako and Asami? How did we go from clever, sarcastic, sometimes cynical comic relief to fart jokes and making light of abuse? I thought Korra was supposed to be more mature than ATLA?

[@daekry]

it is, you're just blinded by your hatred

[@skull1161]

You are biased, there is no hatred here. Ill explain it for you, if you choose to read this and disagree, then you literally can't accept that TLOK is a bad show and so are the characters in it. Ill try to keep it short. Mako, what does he do? what are his ambitions? We don't know. Bolin, what does he do? what are his ambitions? He wants to learn metal bending, does he accomplish this? No, does he become able to lava bend without any training? Yes. Asami, what does she do? what are her ambitions? She wants to redeem the honor of her family's name after her father was evil. Does she accomplish this? Yes, except it's off screen and has no consequence to the story. Now let's look at the Gaang, I won't even mention Zuko, you could remove every frame of ATLA without Zuko and it would still be a better story than every arc in TLOK combined. I'm gonna be fair and focus on Katara, Sokka, and Toph Katara, what does she do? what are her ambitions? She wants to learn to water bend, and she wants to avenge her mom. Lets look at how she learned to water bend cause it's seriously one of the best arcs in ATLA. The problem is that she doesn't have a water bending teacher, so she travels the world with Aang, she is able to learn water bending *on her own* up to a certain point. But guess what, when she solves the problem of finding a water bending teacher, she has another problem, that teacher won't teach her. How does she go about solving this? She fights a fight she knows she will lose, Katara is brave enough to fight against hundreds of years of tradition in the face of a master water bender. No one helps her, Aang tries to of course, but Pakku has no desire to sacrifice his tradition in order to teach Aang. And remember, Katara does this herself, do you remember what she tells Aang right before she fights Pakku? She says "I'm not doing this for you." Bravo, I want to give a standing ovation. This is how you write a character. She has a goal that is independent from anyone else. Once Pakku has a small arc of his own by remembering that he lost his fiance to these same traditions, he teaches Katara. Katara then goes on to become the best student he has, this arc also extends to the last episode. Katara improves her water bending, continually, until the end of the series. She is able to defeat Azula, someone who technically killed the main character, Aang. Imagine that, an arc that extends from start to finish, in the background, independent of anyone else, and without any hand holding. I seriously cannot see an arc that exists in Korra that even ticks 2 of those boxes. I know this is getting long, my fingers hurt. Anyway Lets talk about Sokka, what does he do? what are his ambitions? He wants to become a man, when the men of his village left, he couldn't go with them. By consequence this means he wants to be useful, to his family, and to his tribe. Interestingly enough, Sokka starts his arc with a character flaw. His definition of a warrior is exclusively a man. If he holds onto this definition then he will never go forward. He is sexist. His arc is pretty good, it's not just 1 dimensional, and his path to become a man is not just his ability to fight. He learns that sexism is wrong, you don't need to be a man to be a warrior. Suki is the one who teaches him that. He loses in a mock fight against Suki extremely fast. He offers usefulness in his intellect. He plans the invasion, he helps the mechanist to invent things, he starts the plan to destroy the drill. Many many other bad situations the Gaang has been in, are ones he has solved through his intellect. He truly does become a man during the solar eclipse, when his father is injured during battle. He takes command and is able to lead the troops. By the end of the show he manages to defeat an entire fleet of airships with an idea. And guess what, he does this with 2 strong independent women at his side. Bravo, another standing ovation. He also offers usefulness in battle when he learns swordsmanship from Piandao. During the Boiling Rock, Sokka is fighting Azula with Zuko, he is actively making her dodge and retreat. Let that sink in. Sokka was the guy who was defeated by Zuko with 2 kicks in about 1 second during S1 episode 2. By the end of the show Sokka is fighting one of the most skilled villains in the show on even ground. *BRAVO, STANDING OVATION* This is how you write strong characters in an intricate story. Even when I'm writing what I already know, I'm still having my 1000th realization of how good ATLA is. I'm a dude and the characters I look up to the most in this show are the women like Toph and Katara. Lets talk about Toph. What does she do, and what are her ambitions? She wants to explore the world, she is strong and independent despite her being blind. Now I'll admit I'm struggling to think of a way to write about her arc. I know it's there but I'll be honest, Toph is such a dang *badass* that she doesn't actually need to do much. Her arc concerning her parents is mostly in the comics. Toph accomplishes her ambition throughout the show by exploring the world with the Gaang. Toph was a blind girl who learned to earth bend from the badgermoles, eventually explores the world with the avatar, teaches him how to earth bend, invents metal bending, takes her title as *the best earth bender in the world.* She does have an arc about her relationship with the Gaang. At first she doesn't like to help the Gaang, shes a little too independent. Iroh does have a talk with her, but her issues with Katara's bossiness extends to the 3rd season when Toph is scamming the scam artists. Toph and Katara talk it out and then go have 1 last scam, except they get locked in jail together. This next part about Toph isn't really an arc but more like a component of her character. It's in the Tales of Ba Sing Se episode. Toph hangs out with Katara for a day doing girly things, and we all know Toph is a tomboy. When they encounter some other girls in the city, they make fun of Toph. Toph says that she doesn't care about how she looks, Toph says *"I know who I am"* That's probably my top 10 quotes from ATLA. Katara then says she thinks Toph is pretty and she admires how strong Toph's mindset is. What a good scene, so many other shows fall victim to the idea that female characters only exist to have crushes on the male ones. That's just wrong, ATLA just made a scene about two girls having a day out and it's one of the strongest character moments in ATLA. One last standing ovation BRAVO. Anyway I hope that stops the arguments about which show has better characters. I could have wrote about any of the other characters, Aang, Zuko, Mai, Iroh, Azula, Ty Lee, Suki, the list goes on. It would take way too long to write about them but I've just thought about each of those characters and the complexity they have trumps every character in TLOK. So yeah, the themes, characters, and plot is all written better. By a huge margin. If you read thanks, if you didn't I don't blame you. Just don't reply to me saying I'm wrong if you didn't read.

[@skull1161]

I kinda forgot to write about Katara's avenging her mother arc but that all took too long to write and I'm sure you can understand yourself how that arc is more mature and thought out than anything TLOK had to offer. Actually Toph does have an arc in that scene. In her introduction episode, she doesn't reveal to her parents that she is independent, because being blind doesn't stop her. But because she can't confront them she runs away. The fact that she says "I know who I am" proves she has changed. She has self-confidence.

[@Lemonpoetarts]

@@skull1161everything you wrote here was on point. Everyone’s personality lines up with their goals, and their goals were independent of anyone else, but they were also plot relevant. Extremely plot relevant. We never learned anything about Mako or Bolin’s goals. What ever those were. Bolin wanted to learn metalbending. Why are we just hearing about that in the fourth season??? Mako becoming a cop was only relevant to season 2 (the worst season imo), and it’s barely ever brought up again. It’s like the characters in LOK just do things and then move onto the next thing. None of it has any connections to any over arching plots or character arcs. It’s all just a big bucket of blah. We barely know anything of their backstories besides a few details here and there, nothing of the backstories adding much to their characters. Okay Mako’s parents died, which means he had to fend for himself and his brother. He’s very overprotective as a result and is a workaholic. Good. This doesn’t lead to anything tho. We barely see any character arc as a result of that. It would have made sense if he was overbearing at first, and didn’t believe his brother could do much and always needed to be protected, but later ended up seeing that Bolin was actually very capable, and stopped being overbearing. Likewise, Bolin could have been someone that had to rely on Mako throughout, and he’s learning to be more dependent. He’s not good at first, but he tries, and he sees that without his brother being overbearing, he actually thrives, and discovers he’s really talented. This ends up being relevant in some final battle where all their skills and character growth accumulates. Idk I’m just throwing these ideas out there. A more competent writer could probably come up with something better, but I would have liked if LOK’s team avatar weren’t so boring that I could easily replace them with side characters. Also Asami. Idk. Anything could have been better than what we got. She had so much potential, but over half of her screen time was full of boy drama and terribly written love triangles. LOK fails the bechdel test from s1-s3. So she’s a rich girl but also a non bender. She could start out just being privileged and somewhat naive, but after meeting Korra, Mako and Bolin, she learns more about the state of the world and how the conflict between benders and non benders creates an oppressive system. This would make her sympathize with the equalist movement. There could be a conflict where she’s at odds with Korra because she sees Amon has a point despite being an extremist. Instead of stupid boy drama, they could fight over actual political conflicts that affect the state of the world. They could be narrative foils that end up seeing eye to eye and forming an interest from there. Kind of like a bootleg Zuko. (Or any well written enemies to friends to lovers arc that exists). Idk. Anything to be relevant to the plot of the story. Anything that could point to a character arc would have been good. But instead all we got was nothing and even more nothing. (At least s3 wasn’t bad. I’ll give it that)

[@skull1161]

@@Lemonpoetarts haha thanks, when I wrote this I was just coming off of a rewatch of both ATLA and TLOK and I sort of realized as soon as TLOK got into the later episodes of season 1 I was just feeling disappointed. I mean I get that ATLA was a masterpiece and it's unfair to compare it to TLOK. But there are so many issues in TLOK that could have been solved by any number of the ideas that you threw out in your comment. I think ATLA is known for many things it did well, but one of them is definitely the complexity of every character. I mean even the most insignificant characters show up again to finish an arc of their own. Like Haru and his father Tyro, or the swamp benders, or the mechanist. I look at TLOK and even the most involved characters get almost nothing for their arcs. I honestly don't know what happened to the writing for TLOK. One can only guess honestly, pressure from nickelodeon? Maybe they just didn't have enough time to brainstorm TLOK, when you consider that ATLA had about every episode and season completely thought out before it even aired. Could also be that Aaron Ehasz didn't come back, he was the head writer after all. Bryan Konietzko and Michael Dante DiMartino were still there but maybe losing the head writer was the reason. Probably all these problems combined. Still a show worthy of rewatching but I'm still gonna want to skip almost all of season 1 and 2 when in ATLA I only skip a small number of episodes.

[@maggiesheartlove2734]

It would have been awesome if Mako, you know, the guy who’s had it rough in a city that, by experience, should hate what he is because of his bending, shows Korra the point of view of non-benders and what people in the streets have to go through. Instead of adding the stupid love triangle, why not have there be an episode where Mako shows Korra the city and they find themselves in the harsh part of town. Mako wants to leave but Korra, curious and concerned, goes in to see for herself. She witnesses non-benders being homeless, maybe even a few bender children who have to hid their powers out of fear of discrimination (painting a more complex view on benders and non bender relations) and Mako shares with Korra his experiences as well as how the city actually is. This could be a growing moment for Korra as well as a bonding moment for the two of them. THIS is how they could have utilized Mako for actual character growth rather than making him a punching bag!

[@alyseleem2692]

Agreed 👍!

[@hanburgundy4317]

Mako definitely had wasted potential. His stupid desk job as a cop - with the exception of his investigation into the terrorist attacks - was a waste of time that could have been better spent on character-and-world- building. I also would have liked to see Pro-Bending continue, and I think Mako could have facilitated that well; they could even have swapped the "whose side are you on" argument between him and Korra with his dedication to Pro-Bending coming before his loyalty to her and her people - but hey, we all have head canons lol

[@alyseleem2692]

@@hanburgundy4317 Agreed 👍

[@bobjimbobjim]

FANFICSFANFICSFANFICS LETS FIX THE SHOW

[@alyseleem2692]

@@bobjimbobjim YEAAAAAAAAAH!

[@FOF275]

It's actually amazing how the ending of season one smears everything about TLA. The hero learns absolutely nothing, the villain's points aren't properly addressed, and Korra just learning airbending and getting her bending back from Aang completely invalidates Aang's journey since he could've easily just asked Roku to do the same for him

[@xL0stKIlah]

Aang never had a journey. Literally everything was handed to him

[@Plexoft_]

​@@xL0stKIlah bro is on to absolutely nothing

[@xL0stKIlah]

@@Plexoft_ are you talking to me you weirdo? Avatar is trash

[@bradwhite5884]

​@@xL0stKIlah Tell me you didn't watch ATLA without telling me you didn't watch ATLA

[@XI-Daybreak]

@@bradwhite5884he’s just a loser trying to bait. Like it’s literally one of the most acclaimed shows oat 💀

[@LaVerite-Gaming]

My hype for Korra was so big in 2012, and the first two episodes were so promising… Then the whole love triangle thing started which I found so gross, and the bending tournament which was just really boring, but I still kept waiting for something good to happen. When Korra lost and regained her powers during the last moments of the show I went from "this is an extremely bold and thematically fitting way to end the show - will they really try and take away her powers for good?" to "I don’t care about any of this anymore". One of the worst stories I‘ve ever seen in any medium. Killed the franchise for me, didn‘t care about anything Avatar related since.

[@flowerbloom5782]

Same. Once she pulled wind from her ass and shot out Amon. I was so over it. Then aang just installs the mastery of elements into Korra. I just didn’t care anymore.

[@loppedoffhead1]

@@flowerbloom5782 At least Meelo actually had a legitimate reason to pull wind from his ass(literally)

[@HarryPotter-kb7we]

kyoshi and roku novels are good. Yangchen I found boring, but didn't read everything so I won't say it's bad.

[@oplars6487]

Imagine 4 seasons amon. Discovering the city with mako and Bolin as guides, getting to learn the different parts and cultures, the struggle, new people, challenging korras world view time and time again, fleshed out airbending training, actual progress with said bending, plots to discover equalist nests, maybe infiltration, mob bosses and an evil senator as the seasonal end fights... It had so much potential

[@picklefathernurgle2719]

You take your good ideas and your sensible plot-lines elsewhere you well-adjusted FOOKIN DEGENERATE! How *DARE* you bring your common sense into this Safe Space!?

[@leontalbuquerque8281]

"It had so much potencial" pretty much sums up the enormity of my desappointment with Legend of Korra. All four books began so well, such good, interesting premises. And then, they sucked. All that potencial, wasted on a rushed, contrived, unispired ending. That hurts more than if it was bad all around.

[@zatchbell5678]

Not having a single overarching goal/conflict for the whole series I think very much weakened it.

[@aprilbennett4161]

@@zatchbell5678 Yep, and it's all because the went into it with the intention of making only the first season, were pressured into making more, and kept expecting the series to get canceled at the end of every season.

[@johnnyknadler1157]

I would like that, I think book 1 of Korra was the best book in TLOK

[@tazzygirl44]

Sooo are we all just gonna roll with the plot point that blood-bending can permanently take a bender's bending away?? There is no explanation given for this sudden power-up. Seriously how the fuck could blood-bending EVER permanently take someone's bending away. Admittedly, it would make sense if blood-bending could 'block' bending in the way that Chi blocking can, but removing it?! Remember that up until this point ONLY the Avatar could permanently remove bending through energy-bending. Make it make sense.

[@kc_h7h]

Did you watch the show? They explained that amon never took their powers away. He jusr blocked their chi just like chi blockers. But since he is using blood he can block it fully

[@doc_vader2776]

@@kc_h7h Well he did take their power away permanently. Maybe you didn't watch the show. The chi- blockers were seperate. They could only fo it for a short amount of time. That two based on where they attack. Because one time korra lost the ability to bend on one hand, but her other one was fine. Amon took away bending for good, unless the avatar gave it back to them.

[@kc_h7h]

@@doc_vader2776 no you dont get what i mean. Aang took ozai's abilty to firebend away. But amon only blocked the abilty to bend away. The power is still there but its blocked

[@doc_vader2776]

@@kc_h7h And how do you know that. I just watched the show and it isn't being mentioned anywhere. Every time the word chi blockers was used was for amons followers. Not amon himself. Otherwise the fact that he could take bending away wouldn't be so Mysterious enough for the equalists to follow him. If you think all he does is chi blocking like the rest of his followers, why do you think people consider him special enough?

[@Xninja729]

@@kc_h7h then why the fuck arent they paralyzed. In ATLA, when chi blocking was used, they couldnt move for a while.

[@achmedycreedo]

Korra was supposed to be a more matured version of Aang obviously by their age differences. But somehow Aang was a lot more competent at being Avatar and more mature at handling various situations compared to Korra. And then the Korra fans, it always those who says "Aang was lame because he didn't beat Ozai, but Korra did". He literally erased Ozai's ability to firebend, he became a regular human. It really shows that they watch shows only for action and never about the plot and character, nothing is wrong with that, but in the shows that focus more on the writing and then criticizing it just from aesthetic aspect is thoroughly unfair. Oh yeah, about the spirit in Korra series, it's a f*cking retcon. I remember how uncertain and mystical they are in Aang series, their world was not something you can thread leisurely. In Korra, they just became a freaking talking Pokemon. I hope Koh steal Asami's face.

[@doc_vader2776]

True. Aang was mature. But I think the writers knew that because korra was shown as a little girl when she entered the spirit realm for the first time. Too bad she stayed that way for the entire show.

[@alexwhite2330]

Speak!

[@internetjerk2839]

It's especially pathetic that Korra is a worse Avatar than Aang when you consider how many advantages she has at the start of her "journey" over Aang

[@djsdesignsandcustoms4779]

Nah buddy she’s a bone head and worse avatar

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

Well, obviously the villains are better in Korra and they have more mature and realistic motivations

[@nightmareTomek]

The fact that nickelodeon financially castrated the show because they assumed a female protagonist wouldn't be popular, just shows how uncreative people stick their noses and fingers into the work of the creative people and ruin it for everyone. This experience probably made Brian Konietzko and Michael DiMartino leave Netflix sooner. I wish some talented manga artist would draw their vision of Korra and other Avatar stories. Kind of like they did in One Punch Man.

[@Butterism]

Other than Legend of Korra just being a badly written show, the main reason I hate it is that it just killed Avatar as a series and concept. Think about it! They can't even do Earth anymore. 1. Bending no longer makes the world move. With how fast technology is advancing, one could argue that bending is just no longer needed. Bending isn't special anymore. Any Joe can do it. Which leads to the larger issue that bending isn't a martial arts anymore. Don't have to be in the right mindset. Don't have to understand any concepts or forms. Just throw a punch. Just do a kick. 2. No real culture differences between the nations anymore. The Avatar doesn't have to travel and immerse themselves in different cultures. It's not needed. Just go to Republic City. 3. They are no longer the bridge between the Spirit and Human Worlds. Cause apparently, there was a literal bridge. _Anyone_ can understand spirits now. They're not mythical creatures you should respect, they're Ghibli animals. Play fetch, pet them! They're stupid. They don't know how radios work. Humans are _smarter_ than they are. A child is _smarter_ than the one who knows ten thousand things. They're just animals, no bridge needed. 4. They killed all the past lives! No more past wisdom. No more nuance to what each Avatar thought was the best path forward. No more understanding the larger sacrifices that comes with having a duty to the world. The differences betweens Avatars who lived during times of peace and times of conflict. It's just Korra now. It's all just Korra. She's the _only_ damn Avatar we got now, and we gotta deal with it. 5. (This could also be 4a) The Avatar State is useless now. The glow aren't the collective past lives, it's Jesus. Cause Jesus is always with you. Can't even beat an average bender with it. Most powerful and most vulnerable state? Nope! At most, it can help you beat a child in a race. Need to actually make a sacrifice and release yourself from your worldly desires and wants. Nope! Can just go in and out of it. Because reasons? They can't do Earth now! We can't see the next Avatar now! The concept and potential of Avatar is pretty much dead in the water! The only way we can get the next Avatar is if they miraculously become competent writers and somehow makes a story with these gaping problems, or just scrap _everything_ Korra did and start over. Neither of those 2 things are gonna happen. In just 2 freaking seasons, Legend of Korra killed off any potential for other shows. When I was younger, I thought about the gigantic shoes the next Avatar would have to fill after Aang. To help a healing world at tentative peace. The freaking _potential_ of getting to Fire, and having the world hold a breath at the Fire Nation having that much power again. But nope! And for that reason alone, I will always hate Korra. EDIT (1 year later): And it looks like I was right. There's a new Avatar series coming with twin (so stupid) avatars. Unable to do Earth with the parameters they trapped themselves in, the writers have decided that the LOK sequel takes place in a post apocalyptic world. So, the Avatar will actually need to travel again and it looks like spirit will be back to being mysterious threats. My guess, most of the technological advancements from LOK will be lost and bending will once again be needed to make the world move. The premise is that _something_ happened that prompted Korra to destroy the world. It's laughably poetic at this point. Korra barges in, breaking the established lore with a declaration that she was the avatar and we gotta deal with it. She then systematically destroys everything that made ATLA, ATLA. Trivializing bending, getting rid of the past lives, and literally stripping the avatar of its title of being the bridge between worlds. And now? It culminates with the complete destruction of the world of ATLA as a whole. Unsure if I'll check the series out as after the dumpster fire that was LOK I have zero faith in the writers making a competent sequel, but I believe the very premise of said sequel proves me right.

[@cinnamonknick-knack2037]

I wholeheartedly hate LOK and perceive anyone defending them as an idiot who can't appreciate good writing. Your comment is full of hate and good points against this gigantic pile of shit called LOK. Have a great day and ATLA is an og story period.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

Another Fire Nation Avatar has absurd potential.

[@faeryeclair]

korra is probably the worst sequel a masterpiece like atla could’ve gotten for these reasons

[@kushsingh4738]

I actually think bending becoming more obselete has some potential but TLOK does not do a good job handling this idea.

[@Butterism]

@@kushsingh4738 I think it has amazing potential too, but it was wasted. Wasted potential is the perfect way to describe Korra cause there are some genuinely interesting concepts in there. In Season 1 alone, they set up the concept about discrimination against non-benders. Coupled that with a rise of technology that substitutes bending? It could have been great! Show me a carpenter who can't get/keep a job because there's a strong preference for earth bender workers in the housing market. Show me a plumber who's constantly overlooked for water benders. Show me an electrician with a grudge against fire benders. Show me all that, and then show the non-benders getting _mad_ Show me innovators with a grudge against the world and hunger for equality. They can shoot lightning? Non-benders make the taser. Benders looking down at other fighting styles cause they're "lesser?" Chi blocking is learned by everyone. In response? The fighting style is deemed illegal by those in power. Cause it's no fun when the rabbit has the gun. Korra could have been great.

[@Eezula]

One of the big reasons why Korra doesn't hit the same notes as The Last Airbender is because, the Headwriter of The Last Airbender, Aaron Ehasz, left and the show basically lost their soul. If you look him up, you realize he was the mind and soul behind the characters and show. Yes, Michael and Bryan envisioned the show and the themes, but Aaron is the "Main Man". He's EVEN responsible for the personality of Uncle Iroh.

[@CrazyDrgonRider]

And he also was the one who wanted toph to be a little blind girl! He carried hard

[@3HorsemenOfMovingPictures]

@@CrazyDrgonRider yea ikr

[@skinless5136]

Also I’m pretty sure he stopped a love triangle between aang katara or toph, I heard that somewhere don’t quote me

[@mattevans4377]

And he's currently creating The Dragon Prince.

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

TLOK has great characters and better villains. It being worse than ATLA doesn't make it a bad show

[@silverscorpio24]

The thing that pissed me off the most in Korra was they killed Sokka and made Aang and Toph bad parents. Plus, how did a fracking *six-year-old* learn to bend three elements, including her natural opposite? It took Aang twelve years to master airbending and a week to learn basic earthbending.

[@no.1spidey-fan182]

Yep I HATE when they do that to characters when they get old. They did the SAME BS with Naruto. Considering how Aang and Toph were raised they would NEVER let that happen to their kids...and seriously why did they go for the BITTER SINGLE MOTHER eith MULTIPLE BABY DADDIES trope with Toph...like WHAT did she do to deserve that😭🤦‍♂️

[@maadtee6281]

Well korra opposite was air since its tied down to her personality. Took Aang less then 12 years to master air, and less then a year to be proficient in the other elements and master water. Dude could fire and water bend within a day. Took Korra less then 16 years to master 3 of the elements and longer to learn air. She knew how to bend never mastered the elements Also what's wrong with not making your character good parents

[@silverscorpio24]

@@maadtee6281 Could you understand multiplication, division, and fractions at six? It took Aang a while to learn the other elements and he was twice Korra's age. And making them bad parents is blatant character assassination AND goes against their backgrounds. Aang never had true parents and Toph was coddled but wasn't loved. Neither one of them would neglect their children like they did.

[@maadtee6281]

@@silverscorpio24 my nephew understood them not mastered them at 6. Sort of like Korra didnt master any bending at 6. Took Aang a day to water and fire bend it was not a while but a day. Earth on the other hand was a day because of his mental block unlike Korra who she needed years to be able to airbend. It's not character assassination as Toph wanted to give her daughters the freedom she never had. She didn't neglect her kids but loved them. Even then doesn't mean she'd wouldn't be a flawed parent Aang as his kids said was a good problem. His only problem was he was too focused on Tenzin teaching him about air bending culture since Tenzin by that time was the only airbender that Aang had.

[@silverscorpio24]

@@maadtee6281 Your nephew was understanding 3rd grade math at a 1st grade age? Yeah right. And Korra didn't just understand bending at that age: she had enough control over all three elements (including *fire)* that she didn't harm anyone. Toph sent her daughter off to live with her grandparents when her antics threatened her mother's reputation, gave a massive middle finger to her other daughter for doing her job, and slept around with different men. And it she didn't apologize until Korra showed up. Toph didn't give a damn about her kids. As for Aang, yeah, mentoring Tenzin and rebuilding the Air Nomad culture would be important to him, but that doesn't mean he would neglect the other two, especially Bumi, given how much the name means to him. He naturally wouldn't, and even if he did Katara would make sure all their kids are loved by both parents.

[@deividymario2408]

Korra had so much potential. Imagine if Korra had to not only learn Airbending, but also Lava, Metal, Blood, like since bending is evolving, the Avatar should also evolve, to be complete. Imagine if learning Airbending was the whole season 1, and when she finally learns it, she realizes it is not enough.

[@honkhonk8009]

It would also be cool if there was a cold war scenario. Everybody was traumatized by the 100 year war so didn't want war. The world couldv been split into two parts. The earth kingdom ran by the Dai Li being oppressive and the communist side of the wall, while the fire nation being the western side. Would be a really cool mechanic.

[@darthfenrir7773]

I've always felt that Korra's biggest problem is that it degrades everything that was mysterious and intriguing in the the original show. Lightning bending in AtLA: the ultimate form of firebending, a technique so powerful and precise that, even during the comet, only the Fire Nation royal family and the Avatar could do it. Lightning bending in LoK: the tool of blue collar workers and random mob bosses. Bloodbending in AtLA: a technique born of hatred and desperation that a seasoned waterbending master can pull off only with the help of a full moon. Bloodbending in LoK: Amon can take out a half-a-dozen people by blinking at them in the middle of the day. Spirits in AtLA: enigmatic, ethereal beings with great power and motives that aren't based around humans. Spirits in LoK: either generic, pokemon-esque fairy creatures or generic, evil shadow monsters that want to destroy humanity at the behest of a generic evil overlord. Nothing is special in Korra, not even the things Korra introduces.

[@itachi93674]

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. It seemed so disrespectful that they had common people using lightining bending in a factory. Even more disrespectful that they gave Mako one of the worst characters lighting bending when Zuko couldn't even do it. Lightining bending is suppose to be legendary where only masters and mostly the royal family are able to do it. Not anyone who has had no training

[@mazin9814]

They ruined the charm of spirits by just making them regular atla animals

[@J__T]

I agree with all of this and I want to add one point: bending styles. LoK lost the whole martial arts background for the _majority_ of benders. Watch any character from Atla, especially Toph, and then suffer thru the lack thereof in the supposed sequel.

[@mazin9814]

@@J__T This is also a big one. The fight scenes were cool sure, but all the bending techniques just became regular punches and kicks.

[@Cbawls]

You know, maybe all those ideas would have been cool if it were well written! Cause a sequel needs to be an expansion right, and all those things are an exploration of touched ideas in ATLA, but its used in a way that makes it so unsatisfying in LoK

[@derekdrake8706]

LAB: Wide as a puddle, deep as an ocean. LOK: Wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle.

[@DevDog98]

i wouldnt even say its as deep as a puddle. its just a single dimension

[@flowerbloom5782]

Best metaphor

[@xebec995]

Pure facts

[@lovefromwonderland]

The Legend of Korra is a complete MESS. I’m tired of people pretending it isn’t. It’s not good. And personally I actually like the idea of Korra losing her bending. That would force her to strategize and use her brain instead of relying on fighting like she always does. That would be a good first season arc. But nope. She just randomly manages to learn how to airbend.

[@Ploopbloopz]

Like how Aang was able to airbend after 1 day ☠️ or how Aang went into the avatar state cause a rock hit him in the back? Or how Aang was brought back to life cause Katara had magic water?

[@thunder-uy5zz]

@@Ploopbloopz katara reviving aang wasn’t even a bad one because katara was personally given the water in s1 and she held on to it

[@thunder-uy5zz]

⁠​⁠@@Ploopbloopz what do u mean aang was able to air bend after a day huh

[@Ploopbloopz]

@@thunder-uy5zz Meant to say earthbend, it's one episode and people act like it's actually a giant struggle

[@Ploopbloopz]

@@thunder-uy5zz You could use this same argument for Aang energy bending and helping Korra, but on that note, healing has never been able to revive dead people, Aang is just magically the exception, maybe you can argue cause it was recent but that just feels dumb

[@Dr_Holiday]

While Michael DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko are credited as the creators of Avatar: The Last Airbender, Aaron Ehasz played a crucial role in shaping the series into the beloved masterpiece it is today. As head writer and co-executive producer, he penned many, if not ALL the iconic episodes, His contributions were invaluable in developing the rich world and memorable characters that resonate with fans to this day. Here are some episodes you may remember Book 1: The Storm The Blue Spirit The Siege of North Book 2: Avatar State The Cave of Two Lovers Return to Omashu The Crossroads of Destiny Book 3: Sokka's Master Beach The Puppetmaster Nightmares and Daydreams The Ember Island Players Sozin's Comet (Part 1: Invasion) Sozin's Comet (Part 2: The Phoenix King) Sozin's Comet (Part 3: Avatar Aang). And much, much more

[@snintendog]

Its more than that it seems he penned the bible itself. We are getting to the point that Bryke just STOLE his work then fired him once they were rolling in the dough.

[@shooby9496]

I think a lot of us knew we weren't in the for the same experience the moment she came out as a toddler and used three elements. That moment was the headlights of an oncoming car crash.

[@palemeadows]

yeah, and her natural opposite element bffr? she should have realistically had the easiest time with airbending like aang did with waterbending

[@AyamesChronicles]

@@palemeadows element difficulty is tied to your personality, not nationality.

[@palemeadows]

@@AyamesChronicles what, look at rhe lore idiot, the whole point is that personalities are similar to their element,

[@AyamesChronicles]

@@palemeadows then why isn't Korra naturally a fire bender? It's her most used element and matches her temper early on. Now when you look at the nature of true elements, they all are best used by a certain jing. Positive, also mostly seen by offensive benders like Zuko and Korra, neutral for opportunists like Katara, toph and bumi who wait for a way to counter and negative jing there is pure defensive like Aang. Hence why aang struggled so much with earth bending- it requires him to stand his ground when he spent 12 years learning how to evade. Korra's opposite is air because she isn't a defensive fighter. No need to use insults when you're wrong

[@gjmottet]

Honestly, I actually liked that. They needed to lean into it with her being a prodigy and basically a perfect Ivy League college student hitting the real world and getting laid low by it. It really made loosing her bending mean something. Then the writers totally squandered it. Korra could have been as great if not greater the ATLA. Better Call Saul is better than Breaking Bad and Korra had the set up to do that.

[@8BitCyberWarrior]

The godly character that is Tenzin is the only reason I will accept Korra as canon in the avatar universe. Other than that gem, this show can be retired to Won-She-Tongs library and never seen by another human being again for all I care

[@Yous0147]

Tenzin is my favourite character in Korra, he really is the reason to watch the show if you're going to

[@mythical5292]

exactly what i'm saying. tenzin carries this show like sisyphus carries the boulder

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

So I watched all of LoK from Seasons 1-4 over the span of a few days, and I remember watching the huge robot terrorizing Republic City thinking, "What the heck am I even watching?" The universe of ATLA used fantastical elements to tell a grounded, relatable story. LOK just feels like a caricature of this universe; it was designed to be more "mature" and "grown-up" yet completely failed where a "children's show" succeeded. I would not call LOK "terrible" or even "bad", but I did find it to be extremely disappointing in how average and forgettable it was overall, despite having a couple of really good arc ideas (Benders v Anti-benders, Korra's PTSD, though these did not pay off in execution).

[@AyamesChronicles]

To be fair, they had a massive drill to bore through ba sing SE 70 years ago without metalbending. How fast could we make things if our construction workers could literally move most metals and earth with their mind?

[@ARStudios2000]

Honestly, you hit the nail on the head. On its own, its....a mediocre "okay" show, nothing amazing. As a sequel, it's pretty bad. It starts off weak, gets better later on, but doesn't hit anywhere near the first show did.

[@hej-zh2zn]

Well the huge robot was probably a solution to show the war in a nicer way. Wars are horrible and this is a Nickelodeon show.

[@BrokensoulRider]

... Re-watch ATLA. That was more realistic and digestible. @@hej-zh2zn

[@StarWarssMania]

gonna have to agree with this, it isnt horrible as a standalone, but the villians sure did carry, i didnt like almost all of the red lotus getting killed off by just chance

[@Exlayer-pk8hy]

I hate what Korra did to the concept of spirits. How in Last airbender they are vague enigmatic beings that are beyond human comprehension In Korra they are just these gremlin Pokemon things.

[@flowerbloom5782]

Also they reduced the spirits embodying ideas like knowledge or nature to Christian Jesus vs devil concept.

[@dimazfantasy5252]

​@@flowerbloom5782plus that fighting scene Korra as a giant spirit vs unavaatu and started uses blast cannon like its some sort of Godzilla/Ultraman BS

[@drdotey2443]

In avatar the last airbender spirits were always neutral, they were just there. But in korra they were either bad or good, with the difference being physical touch or even just some spirit thinking about them or whatever.

[@draw2death421]

What about the Grumpy Monkey dude who told Aang to follow a light?

[@magical571]

@@draw2death421 he wasn't good or bad, what is your point? he was just uninvolved lol

[@Goober009]

What about the face stealer

[@williaml840]

@@Goober009 Koh is unique in how he takes an interest in people and actively interacts with them, which he's not supposed to be doing. But even then he's not generically evil like the Korra spirits, he thinks he's dolling out fair punishments to the mortals he goes after and he answers the questions of anyone brave enough to meet him.

[@achmedycreedo]

I hate the way people defending the ending like "oh it was years ago you know tv were not tolerable towards lgbt. so they have to hide it". MF, it wouldn't work as well if some male character who rarely interact with Korra ended up with her. Man.. this blow up. So let me give another piece of my mind. Korra and Asami sure interacted, a lot in fact. But the number of interactions does not always justifying the evolution of relationship. It depends where those interactions progress, sure they hang out, go to pool, and car racing, etc, but where does it headed? Romantic or Friendship? If that really is the case, then a lot of Shounen and Shoujo MC would've been gay by now. Some even tried to make an excuse that this is different because this is how a gay relationships are, not "normal straight" relationships. Man.. if Naruto released in this year, people would've been screaming how gay coded Naruto and Sasuke is.

[@wyntahb3968]

Thank you . there was no indication that they even liked each other

[@seraphim3528]

@Logan McGlynn cry harder.

[@brackkusamaz4015]

@@seraphim3528 indeed

[@sweetricecakeman8582]

@@wyntahb3968 Yeah, the ending sucked. Probs one of the writers inserting their ship.

[@sweetricecakeman8582]

@Logan McGlynn Little baby.

[@Rosemont104]

This show has the same problem that the typical Disney-owned superhero flick has - politics without payoff. Themes mean nothing without a real understanding of the world around you, and you can tell how privileged a writing team is based on how they depict and "resolve" the political problems of a given civilization.

[@Sqwivig]

Ikr it's like the creators didn't do ANY research about how political ideology is formed and how it manifests in government. Kuvira was supposed to be a fascist, but they didn't portray the ideology as a cultural one, but as a single-minded individual just being evil. In Avatar they DID show us how the fascist ideology affects the rest of the Fire Nation society, like when Aang went to school and saw first hand how the nation tries to rewrite and erase it's own history. That's just one example but it does way more than Korra ever did.

[@PhoenixFires]

@@Sqwivig Kuvira was a controversial leader mirroring a combo of Chinese warlords and ethnonationalist and fascist movements like Nazi Germany, Maoist China, Nationalist Spain, Khmer Rouge, etc. She was a brutal warlord who wasn't beloved or convincing the people with a strong ideology, just a charismatic enforcer exploiting the collapse of her homeland. This is accurate to how China was throughout history and indeed how many fascist movements arise. Mussolini didn't rally the majority, his blackshirts took over and the masses tolerated it, oftentimes too poor and uneducated to waste their time with things like "morals" and "geopolitics" right up until they realized their home was burning from Allied bombing raids, and the fear of the blackshirts and contentedness with the status quo was outgrown by fear of the constant bombings and Allied troops marching closer to Rome.

[@joshuafischer684]

So many villains get defeated by force without their ideology being defeated by that of the heroes. Take Thanos in Endgame. He loses in the end but his neo-Malthusian ideology is never defeated. There's very little pushback against it even in Infinity War. The heroes fight Thanos because "killing people is bad," but nobody challenges his claim. They only challenge his belief that HE should be the one to do it.

[@ryohoshi8445]

​@@joshuafischer684 And the thing is that they didn't even explicitly say that the issue with Thanos was his solution--which would actually have been an improvement, because even if you accept that his ideology is correct...it's STILL a really bad solution, especially when you can rewrite the universe with a snap, since populations will eventually recover. But they're not willing to go to the full length of explicitly saying that even if you're right, your solution can be absolutely be worse than the problem and THAT is a reason to stop somebody. That fits in with the whole issue of privilege involved, though. Privilege means you won't have the necessary experience/knowledge to recognize that your solution is bad--"Let them eat cake" being a solution to a bread shortage is not something you come up with UNLESS you're too privileged to understand the problem. It wasn't exactly what was said by Marie Antoinette, but it's worth noting that the French people did eventually get around to the very simple solution for when you've got privileged a-holes running around whose solutions are at BEST merely impractical...

[@mirandaschneider6049]

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[@calebdavies278]

What I hate is in atla characters who make bad decisions are shown that they know what they did was bad and shows the consequences, but in lok, she basically faces no consequences for being a shitty human being.

[@irmuusanaa4227]

I will say that the head writer of the original series didn’t come back to work on this and that dragon prince is created by him and his wife.

[@lisaleyendekker8305]

the Dragon Prince has the same soul and care as A:TLA does in its characters and worldbuilding.

[@fmstudios14]

@Gremlin Hunter What do you think it's message is?

[@Spherrum]

@@lisaleyendekker8305 Dragon prince has alot of the same recycled ideas from AtlA and is inferior to it in almost everything. I wouldn't call it any better than LoK.

[@catholicfemininity2126]

I feel like, together along with someone to filter out the bad ideas, caused ATLA to be good, but when these writers worked on their own with no one to filter the bad ideas, they ended up falling short....

[@Spherrum]

@@catholicfemininity2126 LoK doesn't have bad ideas. No more than AtlA anyway. The execution of a few of those ideas is the problem.

[@sunsetsky9885]

Why do they specifically make a point that korra can’t airbender because of a lack of spirituality and then make every breakthrough she makes in airbending have absolutely nothing to do with spirituality, even if you accept the fact the Amon just didn’t take away a quarter of her bending away for and unknown reason, why does she suddenly have a mastery or at least a proficiency in it that comes out of no where, and then you she just is handed her bending back as well as the Avatar state by talking to Aang even though she isn’t spiritual. This is some of the worst writing I’ve ever seen I’m genuinely confused on how people like this show.

[@lpfan4491]

The structure of this show is really a joke. They effectively use Aang as a "fix this nonsense"-button for all the complicated stuff in the first two seasons(Giving backstories, giving Korra the avatar state and reversing her chiblock, resolving Tenzin's character conflict) and then delete him alongside the past avatars to force themselves to stop relying on the dude. I have rarely seen a narrative throughline being so bootleg that the writers have to flip the table or else they can't help themselves.

[@tinydragon2013]

Also how she uses air bending like a fire punch.

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

the breakthrough in spirituality was her developing as a person to be free and not be burdened by the title of 'avatar' A burden Amon took aways from her when he stole her bending, which she thought is all she is and why she was so attached to it (which is the opposite of airbenders' philosophy)

[@jcdejesus2296]

Did aang have thhe same arc. Even uncle iroh explain it.

[@Nephilim1717]

Something I’ve noticed is how the characters interact with crime. Korra beats up the Triad thugs but just leaves them there, the government takes them in but it’s implied that they’re released fairly quickly. But when Amon gets his hands on them he removes their bending in front of a crowd and their never seen again. The Separatists proved their authority and effectiveness by permanently neutralizing threats to society where the Avatar and the police failed.

[@jcmillzmusic8768]

Just rewatched the series. She’s really insufferable. She ruined mako’s relationship and became an annoying gf then constantly ruined his relationship with asami then stole her away in the end. She constantly lashes out at everyone because of her own incompetence and she’s the same person throughout all four seasons. Also, kuvira should have died. Bolin became annoying too. Man keeps his stupidity locked in. Sokka came across as slow but was very competent. Bolin would have suffered if he didn’t have bending.

[@AyamesChronicles]

Almost like dating an unsocialized home school girl has a learning curve

[@sodiumvalproate3936]

Since when Sokka came across as slow?

[@odg1190]

Sokka was not slow. He was goofy and misogynistic in the beginning. Without Sokka's scheduling and ideas Aang would of never been as ready as he was to fight Ozai.

[@poogissploogis]

Thank you, I absolutely hated her. She was a terrible person not at all worthy of the avatar spirit

[@kn-jt9dj]

(Long comment incoming) Honestly, I would've liked it if Korra wasn't about restoring the world _spiritually,_ but culturally The show brings up the fact that Korra is oblivious to the outside world as she was nearly kidnapped as a kid and thus was kept in the Water Nation, so she never went through the Avatar Journey You could have it so that Korra is good at Fire and Earth because they correspond to her personality traits so she understands them better, but ironically struggles with Water and Air, her closest elements, because they require different ways of thinking You could make her feel talentless or ashamed that she can't properly grasp the elements that are the easiest ones for her to learn You could make it so that Korra feels like she doesn't live up to her predecessor Aang because he mastered all the elements at age 12, while she's struggling with 2 of them at age 17, which just frustrates her even more: she feels like she's not fit to be the Avatar, but gives it her all anyway, so you can keep that headstrong vibe to her When Korra is told to head to Republic City, the one city where refugees from all four nations can meet, she's excited: not just because she gets to spread her wings and explore the world, not just because she finally gets to master Airbending, but because Republic City should theoretically be the most diverse place on Earth, which gives her the opportunity to actually learn about other people and other bending styles When she arrives though, she's confused: Republic City isn't brimming with as much cultural influence as she dreamed, instead, it's a pretty dry steampunk-esque city that's focuses on practicality rather than culture And boom, you could explain why Republic City is somewhat culturally empty because of events after Avatar -- people were left divided after the 100 year war and it'd take time for people to warm up to eachother, even without the threat of war looming over everyone You could say that the Gaang were so focused on making sure that Republic City was safe and that the world was in order that they might've neglected the more cultural aspects of it (especially and ironically Aang, who turns his attention to reinstating the Air Nation) You could say that that Republic City's citizens feel obligated to keep their cultural traits locked to bending only because of how dry Republic City's environment feels, and so on You could argue that Korra being more cultural defeats the point of the Last Airbender, where Aang had to embrace other cultures to master the elements: which is fair, but I think Airbender focuses more on different cultural mindsets instead of cultural traditions or attire My bad for the length or if this is all over the place, I was mostly spitballing ideas :)

[@Stew91]

The one thing I disagree on, is that the show is "overrated". Overrated means that something gets more praise than it deserved. Korra gets plenty of backlash for its bad writing.

[@wirka7973]

This is because of perspective- For example I see all the time, just video essays defending lok, but you may see just the opposite. This is based in that, and it is also why when someone uses the word "overrated" or "underrated" I rather think of it being true from their perspective, and that does not mean it is the same in mine. I understand, that we should do our research, and actually check if it's true, but at the same time I don't really mind it, a lot of people put what happen way out of proportions in their titles just to make a video look interesting look no further then story-telling.

[@Rprot_traveler]

@@wirka7973 Nah say what you want it is mostly agree the legend of Korra fail a lot is not overated at all. I understand what you mean but is still not perceptive as is pretty ovusly tear down most of the time.

[@emackenzie]

@@Rprot_traveler I used to see a lot of criticism but for the past few years I've only come across defense for it. I think that's what they mean by perspective, some people encounter more criticism towards something and others encounter more positive receptions, so they base their opinion of over/underrated on what they personally see

[@zosiexofficial]

Nooo i don't think so. I've seen plenty Korra praise. But i think it comes mostly from nostalgy

[@j_jizzle_69]

The word controversial is more fitting because equally you also have some people sucking this show off as if it’s the embodiment of the perfect sequel

[@Campedavey]

I hated Korra for many reasons. Especially because it was hard for Aang to learn all four elements. Yet Korra perfected 3 of the elements as a toddler. She's OP and unlikeably flawed. Flawed characters are good but not when they just make them terrible and hard to sympathize with. Korra forced herself on a man and accused him of thinking of her when he's with his girlfriend, and then started dating his girlfriend??? It was fucked up tbh. As Asami I'd hate Korra, not want to date her after all that 💀 Like come on fellow gays. Representation isnt enough to justify this garbage anymore. We need good rep, not that toxic mess

[@AyamesChronicles]

Aang could bend 4 elements before Korra could. Learned his hardest element in a day while Korra struggled for months under Tenzin's direct tutelage and yet she isn't flawed?

[@negate-07]

i never knew being comparable to a decent lighter was considered mastery it is like saying a kindergartener is a mathmathecian because he learned dx/dt which is worthy of praise but in no way absurd

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

she isnt op, she loses like half of the fights Also it wasnt hard for Aang to learn 4 elements, he instnatly learned waterbending, a few hours for firebending and it took him like 2 days to learn earthbending Meanwhile Korra has it easier to learn firebending and earthbending due to her personality Her dad was proficient in waterbending so theres that and it took her 18 years to learn basic airbending From the narrative Aang is much more talented than her

[@Raddish-is-radd]

​@@mynameisntjoe3024difference is ang didn't even master fire and earth bending while Korea is practically perfect at both of those immediately

[@MrJefferson07]

@@Raddish-is-radd Wokists are unable to watch a show properly.

[@toriaoi1695]

I've always had this headcannon avatar series rattling around in my head: we start with an adult Aang trying to teach people airbending, and failing no matter who he tries to teach. His kids, people born in air bender temples, no one can airbend, he's truly the last. He learns from Roku that this means the avatar cycle will end with the Firebender avatar after Aang. Skip forward to said Firebender finishing his avatar training and venturing out into the world. A world where prejudace against firebenders has grown unprecedented, where the avatars between Aang and our character have spent their entire lives bringing balance to the world. Our character, THE LAST AVATAR who has trained his entire life has nothing to do. The show centers on this internal conflict as he goes around trying to find purpose while pushing back against anti-firebender sentiments in a world that doesn't need him. The show culminates with him making a deal with an air spirit in the spirit realm, sacrificing himself so that airbenders will start being born, continuing the avatar cycle, his deal unknown to the entire world.

[@flowerbloom5782]

That’s cool.

[@petthepirate3115]

yo?? how is this not getting that much attention??? This is actually awesome!!!

[@sierrastanley3109]

I thought it was stupid that they brought the airbenders back. I know not many people would agree but I found it more interesting for only Tenzin and his family to be the only ones. Of course Bumi and the sister could also have Airbender children later on. And perhaps dormant genes for other's. When the whole red lotus thing happened I thought Zaheer was a descendant Airbender when the trailers happened and he was just being kept from the world, a prisoner like Hanna, who evil people were keeping hidden and torturing him...then of course in the trailer where it showed him escaping I thought it was just him setting out into the unknown world to take vengeance on everyone who had hurt him...that's what I think would have been the coolest outcome.

[@tinydragon2013]

Its not bad that they came back, but HOW they did it. Oh hey now you ve got magic powers because of spirits or something. i also ahte the fact that bending power is given and not earnd in some way. In ATLA it was carefully avoided to talk about how bending gets passed to new generations but in the logic of TLOK its pure genetics. Would have been extremely if people, who want to live like air benders, gained bending by living this lifestyle with full commitment and for a long period of time. Even though there are air benders in TLOK there are no real air nomads and they will never come back ....

[@bradwhite5884]

Honestly, I love to see characters who are dual benders and able to do two different elements depends on what their parents abilities are tbh, also introduce multi-benders who the Avatar originally originated from or something like, multi-benders are similar to the Avatar but don't have that important aspect that can make them or considered them as an Avatar and making the Avatar unique and separate from multi-benders tbh, so yeah

[@JRexRegis]

Yeah, they kind of tacitly downplayed a literal genocide by going "no it's fine now they're back". Like, the Air Nomads were all killed, murdered by the Fire Nation. They didn't hide or run, they were systematically wiped out by a fascist dictatorship who saw them as a threat to their power. You know what would've been incredible? If it turned out that by the time of Korra, the elements had spiritually shifted, removing Air from the roster and instead expanding the other three. No more air means that each of the other three can expand into the space it no longer occupies - becoming broader, more nuanced, but also less defined by their base element. Show that the genocide had a real impact onto the world, that it left not just a physical scar in the form of an entire culture going extinct, but also a spiritual one in the form of the other styles growing more fluid and spirits aligned with Air becoming erratic and dangerous.

[@magical571]

@@bradwhite5884 with how shitty the background and explanation for the avatar is in korra, there wouldn't be much difference at all from a simple multibender than the avatar lol. and at that point honestly i would take plain multibenders over the butchered spirit world of korra. if they just wanted to show a powerful bender, just do so, ditch the spirit world completely, make it so the avatar is a forgotten concept in an unkown state of existance, maybe myth maybe not, and just move on to powerful bender of the current day lol. (of course it would be a vapid idea and a show about power creep, but at least it would be honest and straight to the point)

[@elenaroberts3714]

One problem I had was the difference in representation for the non-benders in each show. In ATLA you have freaking Sokka, my favorite character who struggles throughout the show to find out what his role is (particularly in fighting, cause he’s definitely the meat and sarcasm guy, the leader, and the planner (cite Bitter Work, Jet, and the entire show, respectively)). But he always has a hard time finding out where he fits in for helping fight enemies. He places more value on women and learning to fight in new styles from the Kyoshi Warriors (this is the first time we really see him beating enemies (besides that one boomerang headshot with Zuko (and, of course,”that’s from the water tribe!”)) and he really starts to explore his own fighting abilities as a nonbender. He still has his value as a fighter questioned throughout the show (losing his boomerang and it’s not as important to anyone “that’s correct!” And Toph’s statement “three on three plus sokka” really both give ground to the insecurity we see in Sokka’s Master (my favorite episode, if I had to choose)). In Sokka’s master he really goes into how difficult it is for him to be normal. He doesn’t give up, however, and his friends encourage him to find a master. The fighting style he develops is entirely unique and interesting (“you messed things up in a special way”) and is grounded on his own creative and honest nature. In the remainder of the show we see him develop this skill, alongside his other skills of leadership (the development of which is showcased in The Day of Black Sun, where he goes from being unable to take on his father’s role to shouldering the responsibility when people need him to). We see his value in the team throughout the show, but he has such an amazing development in his own self-worth in the third season. Finally he’s willing to give up the part of him that he fought so much for (his ability to fight) by sacrificing his sword to save Toph. This shows that his perception of his own value no longer hinges on his contribution to the fighting of the team. He protects, leads, and thinks and plans for the whole group. Essentially, he learns a lot and manages to be so many people’s favorite character (myself included) because of how amazing and well-grounded and developed his character is. He shows two things: 1) nonbenders can help just as much in fighting and helping and 2) your ability to fight (whether in bending or non bending) is never the whole of your character. Then, there’s Asami. It may be that the standards were just so high after sokka, but she fell so short as a representative of non bending. Suki was another main nonbender, and she was awesome! Asami was pretty cool but, being the main nonbender in the show, didn’t have nearly as much development as I would want. Season 1 of LOK didn’t give Asami’s perspective as a nonbender very much, it all fell under the scope of her relationship with her father. Her development was far less impressive, and I couldn’t find inspiration from her, which really makes me sad. Since no viewer can bend elements, we’re all predisposed to relate the most to nonbenders and derive inspiration from them. When I was young and saw Sokka’s Master, I felt so comforted (because at that time I was trying to see if I could water bend in the pool, which I think we all tried bending at some point) My point is, nonbenders have to be well-rounded characters who can really assist the team in more ways than just fighting. For the most part, it seemed that Asami was responsible for driving the team around and acting as part of a love triangle.

[@3HorsemenOfMovingPictures]

Yea ikr i agree all of this

[@TheYoungGeninSasuke]

Ty Lee and Mai were also non benders and they were amazing too.

[@sandrarivero9445]

👏

[@leho8268]

I read all of this, and i think you should have your own youtube channel

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

How is Suki better character than Asami?

[@SincerelyTaterTot]

“Name of the 1st season is air” Doesn’t airbend til the end

[@Dionysus784]

the naming is totaly off, in atla every season represented the element aang learned to bend, in korra the seasons are named randomlny without any meaning.

[@citizenoftheworld2694]

@@Dionysus784it’s probably because Korra was originally supposed to be a mini series so they named it air because that’s the one element that wasn’t used for the first three books.

[@Spawz]

*Netflix Avatar walks in

[@Clonedge]

"Name of the 3rd season is fire" doesnt firebend till the last few episodes

[@jay2k965]

⁠@@Clonedgefirebended in season 1 and aang fire bended by episode 11 of a 21 episode season when korra did it at the very end barely, hope that helps

[@Fly_By_NightX]

I just noticed that they also gave Korra superhuman strength. I know that characters in universe can be metahumans if they train to the fullest, kinda like Iroh busting outta prison, but the ease with which Korra picks up a grown man by the scruff of his neck is overtly absurd I think. Sure she's tall, strong and the avatar, but I'm still convinced that the writers made that too simple. Js but I had high hopes for the show

[@AyamesChronicles]

Mako is also able to throw adults over his shoulder and he's less muscular than biceps of steel Korra.

[@Fly_By_NightX]

@@AyamesChronicles Lmao biceps of steel almost makes her sound cool... Almost. I really couldn't agree more with that

[@AyamesChronicles]

@@Fly_By_NightX she's got the physique everyone wishes they had. Strong but not roided out

[@ehwodjksnx]

I mean Kyoshi was doing that and more, i can accept avatar being a little op unless it goes against the lore (like when Korra mastered 3 different martial arts at age of four while other avatars learned them at 12-17 and struggled at each one)

[@radamesd81]

I'm a little older and got to watch the first avatar when I was around my 20s. And the show was great! It was able to get my attention even at that age. When Cora launched, for nostalgia only, I decided to give it a try. I thought it was boring from the beginning and after they erased the avatar spirits I just dropped the show. If you can't see the value in other people's experiences you're just a narcissist.

[@magical571]

Yes, i just can't stand people who brush off the connection to the past lifes and their experiences as "irrelevant" . not that they didn't grant power, which they did and those ignore but still, even as just spiritual connections it was more than valuable enough already.

[@Ploopbloopz]

Spell her name right at least

[@Phantom17685]

@@Ploopbloopz Why? Because she deserves it? 😆

[@yaaaas9778]

what pissed me off too was how they used characters or events from atla (like Zuko, Toph and Iroh) for-- no purpose except "Haha, remember this person?" It felt so unnecessary, a bit like how they did that in Frozen 2. Characters cringing at their past actions in the sequel is dumb. We love atla, but we were ready to give Korra a shot so why bring back these characters just so they can be "quirky", but serve nothing else the whole time

[@2-Duke]

I agree that happened with toph and iroh but zuko it actually makes sense,he’s a retired fire lord who aided with the white lotus in keeping the red lotus away, also I mean like what’s a sequel series without a returning cast

[@paradoxzee6834]

Sokka gets this "haha remember this person from the original“ as Zuko, Toph and Iroh do something, but it kinda make sense Toph, Zuko and Katara don’t do much, they are all of old age in the series

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

bruh If they didnt show them people would argue that they shouldve shown them

[@Taiga-16]

They aged my Zuko and my Toph 😭

[@KanishQQuotes]

Korra honestly plays like a fan fiction. Makes sense considering Mark and Bryan made announcements on tumblr blogs

[@Gensokyo_Resident]

In 11:35 I don't really think that's "magic", rather the Energy bending that was shown in ATLA. Still, your point stands: we all know Aang took Ozai's firebender away as he did with the Evil Senator's father, but there's not A SINGLE INSTANCE in the show of Aang being capable of GIVING powers to anyone, and why the heck was he able to give her powers back while he was already dead? As far as I know at least, dead avatars aren't capable of bending (Unless, idk, they posses the current avatar or something.)

[@philingrouille7198]

It always makes me roll my eyes that Korra's dad is a Prince of the Northern tribe; why can't Korra just be some random Southerner? It's like in the Star Wars prequels where it turns out that oh no, C-3P0 and R2-D2 aren't just random droids; it turns out that Anakin Skywalker didn't just build C-3P0 (I guess the Midichlorians gave him some instruction manual), but R2-D2 was also his personal droid. Why can't more stuff in these universes be more random?

[@noahdrucker3076]

The R2-D2 thing in the prequels felt more natural, but I totally agree with your 3PO point.

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

"why can't Korra just be some random Southerner?" Because then they wouldn't have material to make season 2

[@hueyfreeman6262]

@@mynameisntjoe3024 that would be for the better

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

@@hueyfreeman6262 without season 2 we wouldnt have season 3 and 4

[@hueyfreeman6262]

@@mynameisntjoe3024 so? korra was gonna be only one season anyway

[@b.d162]

I agree with what you said about the past lives. I don't understand why the writers did that. Instead of the Avatar State is the combination of all past lives, it's just a spirit. Spirits in ATLA were not bad or good. In the LoK, they were reduced to glorified Pokemon. Season 2, as a whole, cheapened a lot of the magic of ATLA. Season 3 is the best season in LoK, in my opinion.

[@youngmaster7405]

the spirits weren't glorified pokemon and they introduced some new interesting designs that I liked. the avatar state is composed of two halves. stick with me cause this will be long, since all of the avatars live in raava and raava resides in the avatar(current) activating the avatar state gives you connection to all of them giving you their skills and wisdom as well as their experience. raava herself is a very powerful spirit as we see in beginnings and her power is what allows an avatar in AS to do larges scale and amazing things. also we never see dark spirits in atla and as unalaq put it "there is no good or bad spirit there is light and darkness in them all" just cause we dont see them doesn't mean they don't exist. and lastly, korra never cheapened the magic system, it followed it in almost ever way while also expanding it without changing anything.

[@amahlgrant]

@@youngmaster7405 I agree. If these people don't like TLOK they can simply say so as that's just an opinion. But saying it is outright bad or terrible makes it seem like a fact and they're doing a very awful job of proving that.

[@mvnik437]

@@youngmaster7405 my favorite episode was the very last one. Cause thank god that garbage was done with.

[@youngmaster7405]

@@mvnik437 not garbage or anything close

[@mvnik437]

@@youngmaster7405 it’s garbage

[@RealMajora]

Aaron Ehasz was a gem, not surprising the show goes to shit when they left him out.

[@BrolyPowerMaximum]

37:27 it told a bad story because TLoK was a political lecture on the USA. Because they got lazy and entitled, they threw away the unique world that had been created and made it into a big USA city world. I bet they thought that was clever, they could use lightning bending to make it an industrial world, and so imagination of the airbender universe didn’t need to exist anymore. Just write it about modern day. And what happened with industrialization among other things was feminism. And wouldn’t you know it, the avatar is a girl (cool) but she’s a wild child whose first words (a bit on the nose here) are “I’M THE AVATAR AND YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT!” From there she disrespects her father. Her family. Her teachers. The community. She never learns how to be a better or stronger person and ends up winning while trashing just about everything that came before. She’s not likable. Not because she’s bold. But because she’s a political insertion lecture of morality that’s too on the nose, while also being an absolute clown with her attitude and behavior without ever seeing an issue because, well, she’s the main character and a girl Bo’s do “you gotta deal with it.” The show ended worse than it started. The last airbender brought my family together in a room every week. TLoK was contentious and painful and left me feeling stupid for sinking the cost of time into it and excitement with my family leading up to it.

[@BrolyPowerMaximum]

The only people that I knew who liked the show that I knew irl exhibit a lot of covert narcissistic tendencies. They too think they’re some grandiose girl boss while extracting supply and resource and trashing their families and communities as a forever victim

[@7StringBlazer]

​@@BrolyPowerMaximum You've summed up how I feel about TLoK. I'll be honest, I was a little bit outside of the main demog for Avatar (couple years too old for the ads to appeal/exposed to other better stuff already at that point) but as a fan of martial arts and stories with good world building, I at least respected ATLA. Korra was one of many shows that were part of the unfortunate combination of incompetent writing and the beginning of the ramp up of the culture war we're currently in. The most frustrating thing is, as a guy who's an ethic minority, I understand that it feels good to have "representation" but there's a difference between representation and pandering but the average person can't tell the difference. Additionally, the over obsession of needing to see yourself in the character can loop right back around into narcissism. A character like Korra who excels at everything just because and if you question it you're sexist is a slap in the face to women and dilutes ideals of what the first couple waves of feminism fought for. And the mark of a poor writer is when they can't elevate the character being "represented" without denigrating the other characters perceived as the "opposite" or making them all incompetent/cannon fodder/punching bag/etc. Also, and this one might be a bit of a niche criticism but one I definitely saw often enough to notice -- are the people who loved the show cause it " looked like an anime without all the 'weird stuff'".

[@honkhonk8009]

FACTS. THEY LITTERALLY TRIED TURNING THE WORLD INTO FUCKING AMERICA. Not even the good parts of America, like how ATLA did with the swamp water benders being the equivalent of Florida men. Instead they tried making fucking New York out of it. Its so corny and stupid bruh. Not even the cool part of 1920s new york like how COD Zombies did with Agartha and steampunk shit, they just did THIS. I swear the world just got flooded with NPC's whos only ambition in life is to make shit gay and lame. Its with all disciplines too. I blame the media for introducing the rot imo

[@mesogot]

What Korra needed the most was antagonists, but what the writers give her were villains with paper thin personalities and as interesting as one. And the reason as to why I think most people believe Kuvira is the worst ofender of them is because she was the one with the biggest potential to be a great and competent antagonist, but then the writers turn her into another hitler like villian.

[@TheTimbs_]

Kuvira is Sozin 2

[@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpe]

i disagree, i actually think all of the villains (except for all of the villains in season 2, season 2 as a whole kinda sucked) were done very well, especially the red lotus and amon, in fact, i'd say the red lotus is one of the best villains so far in the franchise.

[@chaddfrancis2179]

Korra had way better Villains Than those in ATLA by far.

[@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpe]

@@chaddfrancis2179 idk, zuko and azula set the bar really fucking high but they are certainly better than combustion man and ozai (except for unalaq he's really lame)

[@chaddfrancis2179]

@@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpe The whole Fire nation motivation can be narrowed down to "because you told me to"

[@racefrazier7998]

LoK needs a Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood treatment. There is so many good ideas in LoK, exacuted poorly.

[@kaijingarou6526]

I've been saying ATLA is an adult show disguised as a kids show while Korra is a kids show disguised as a teenagers show. I totally agree, people keep saying it's darker and more mature than ATLA and that's a ludicrous opinion. People easily fooled by appearances who don't really pay attention to the implications of what they're watching and have little knowledge of story-writing. I still don't hate Korra, there's still some decent stuff and characters I like, as Korra herself (sometimes, she makes it really difficult though) but mostly for the universe it's in and definitely has nothing on ATLA. Many shows don't, that's not something to be ashamed of, but it's certainly not solid on its own either. Even the so-called best season, season 3, isn't better than average to me, and yet some people claim it to be gold just because of Zaheer, a 30-year-old guy who stole his whole belief system from a 16 year-old anarchist boy and didn't find necessary to look any further into it. The villains in this show get so much more credit than they deserve, when they're all so half-assed written, left ambiguous to make people think they're deeper than they actually are. But that ambiguity is filled with air, not actual reasons to think they could legitimately be one thing or another. Ozai was very shallow too but at least power hunger is a very real motivation for villainy IRL and it's not like they tried to pretend he was deeper than that as they did in Korra. And at least in ATLA you too had Azula and Zuko to compensate (more than compensate) for him. But in Korra, anyone who can see beyond their front speeches realizes they're either lying about their "meaningful" motivations or switching from one to another throughout the season without proper development. People should just enjoy it if they want but stop trying to convince themselves of it being a misunderstood diamond, because whoever is to be blamed for it, it is a big mess of a show.

[@farahwyn8733]

Also, LOK antagonists might seem to be more complex and interesting than Ozai and Zhao at first but in my opinion, LOK FAILED and WASTED their villains. Ironic how LOK villains really do work well at the start but then at the end, they just sort of lose everything compelling and interesting about them and become just another Ozai or a stereotypical villain anyway. It's just so funny to me. Amon is a good one and he's an effective villain when he's still a mystery and more like a symbol of fear to Korra then they gave us that absurd backstory of his and I immediately stop taking him seriously. Zaheer is one dedicated and determined guy. He's a good antagonist and his team is awesome 😂 I'll say his team i more interesting team than Korra's. But his goal, world in chaos blah blah, not a great one lol. And Kuvira, well she's just fixing someone else's mess and that mecha robot battle will always look childish to me. I prefer the last battle to be a 1v1, but using metalbending only. That would be more suspenseful. 😂

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

They used The Dark Avatar and thought that was more mature and not a childs plot point 😂

[@kaijingarou6526]

@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 So true. I saw one saying Korra is more adult and mature again and it must be they think is darker because they use the retarded term 'dark avatar' as you say or because they didn't get ATLA 🤣

[@27Bayleefs]

@@farahwyn8733 But's that's why I love Ozai. He;s not some complex piece of writing. he's a damn tyrant and he's scary and it shows. We don't need discussions on politics or deep nuance with him. He burns his owns son in the face just because he defied him. that alone set the tone for the man he was. He's a great villain because he is so power hungry and unlikable. We root for Aang to defeat him. And his fight with him was bad ass as well. Simplicity works people.

[@magical571]

@@27Bayleefs it works in the context that we have all shades of redemption in between too (zuko, jet). so you have the most goodish good, the baddest bad, and shades of grey, the whole pack.

[@Archedgar]

It would have been great if at the end of the first season she does NOT automatically regain her powers and has to actually earn them back by learning humility & patience.

[@Maximus-ztrain]

Well the show was supposed to be a mini series.

[@flowerbloom5782]

I wish we went that path but the writers just wanted a quick solution

[@badrat484]

Then you realize Korra adds nothing to the wider Avatar lore and just warps and destroys what’s already there. It’s an unnecessary sequel that really shouldn’t exist

[@relyk9157]

It doesn’t destroy any of the lore. It just adds on to it. It’s a sequel that was necessary for others.

[@thanquolrattenherz9665]

@@relyk9157 it definitly destroys the avatarstate lore.

[@relyk9157]

@@thanquolrattenherz9665 enlighten me. You’ll be wrong.

[@thanquolrattenherz9665]

@@relyk9157 the avatar state was an emergency state were the user taps into the knowledge of former avatars, korra could use it after the former avatars got ereased which should not be possible also to activly harness it at will you needed to open your chakkras it makes no sense that someone can simply bestow you the clarity of mind over your own feelings and emotions which is needed to use it.

[@relyk9157]

@@thanquolrattenherz9665 1.) The Avatar state is a state where the user connects to their past lives AND Ravaa. Ravaa is the power boost. Just because Korras connection to her past lives was severed, she still had ravaa. Ravaa is what makes you the Avatar. Part man, part spirit. 2.) You’re ignoring the fact that Aang never wanted to be the avatar and throughout the series struggled to coming to terms with his responsibilities. Korra however wanted nothing more than to be the avatar. She fully identified with the responsibility of the avatar and put it before everything else. This is why Aang had to go through this drastic change, because he had so many mental obstacles preventing him. Peaceful doesn’t equal spiritual. By season 2 Korra knew who she was and what her duty was to the world. This is why Korra is able to go into the avatar state at will when Aang couldn’t. By the end of the series when Aang comes to terms with being the avatar, and understanding he doesn’t need to change himself, that’s when he can control it. He didn’t need to go through the same spiritual awakening he needed in the previous season. Hope this helps you understand.

[@nickchavez720]

The people who rave about Korra being good are looking back at the past with rose colored glasses. I remember when it was out and fresh many people were complaining that they hated Korra as a character. About how she was annoying, reckless, and despite being older than Aang, was some how less mature than he was. There were moments when people were abandoning the show because of the lows it reached. Complaining about the dumb love triangle they hammered in, stupid plot points, and how the main character was an idiot. The more I look back at Korra, the more see the faults show up and disillusioned I become with it. Where as when I look back at or even re watch Last Airbender, the more and more I appreciate it as an adult for tackling mature themes in a good way. I'm going to say this, and frankly I don't care what people think, but the only reason people speak on the show with praise is because of the Korasami non-sense they pulled at the end. People where already talking and rightfully criticizing the last season for issues it was having; saying it wasn't bad by any means but it wasn't great either (there were actually some very insightful criticisms about the story of the last season.) But as soon as they pulled that out of their ass, the narrative suddenly changed about how "bold" and "game changing" it was. No it was not, it was dumb, it re opened the love triangle which destroyed the show and helped to trigger the shallow representation craze we see in media today. Im going to end this with one last point. At the height of legend of Korra, right after the Wan episodes, a joke people made was "Would you rather watch a an annoying girl mess up by being an idiot. Or watch an entire season dedicated to Wan and how he basically created civilization?" If people would rather watch a series about some one that is not your main character, that is a bad sign.

[@TundraMue]

korra was a fun show to watch. people just like to be too critical for nitpicky things. somethings are understandable. but then you have people complaining about how Korra was able to use Avatar State after losing her past lives. The answer to why she can still use the Avatar State is obvious. Think back to Avatar Wans episode. Did he have past lives? No. He only had ravaa. yet he went into the avatar state in his battle with Vatuu. So the Avatar State is still triggered by the Light Spirit Ravaa. Sure, the Avatar State gives you access to your past lives, but its actually activated by Ravaa's light spirit and the light spirit in itself is a massive strength boost. Wan used Avatar state with no past lives. So yeah. But anyways, people like to complain about many things in the show but people really gotta think about the current society Korra lives in lol. Its not the "good ol days" its not olden times. Its not the dinosaur age. Lightning bending, a once rare skill, is going to become less rare naturally. Metalbending is too. If you have an incredible skill, you're probably going to teach it to a few people and one or two of those few people might spread the skill along. Plus metal bending and lightning bending heavily impacted Republic City for the better. Many people dont like the writers desicions in areas like Korra skill in bending and such or how quick she developed. She knew 3 out of 4 elements as a kid but thats not really a crazy thing. She had all the write qualities for the 3 elements she knew. She had passion and a hot temper for fire. She had natural waterbending blood through having a Waterbending father. And she was a very stubborn kid which attributes to earthbending. So its not surprising that she naturally grasped those bending arts. But she still needed to master them. She mastered Firebending at 17 years old. yet she knew firebending as a toddler. So she still had a lot of work to do in terms of advancement so people really shouldnt be complaining about how everything was just handed to her. She had to work to master waterbending, earthbending, and firebending by the age of 17. And no. Aang never mastered all of the bending arts by the ATLA series. He only mastered air and he semi-mastered water bending. I wouldn't say he completely mastered waterbending considering his inability to use the large pool around him in his fight with Ozai to wreck Ozai. Bro fell into a bunch of water and didnt do a water vortex? or a huge wave? Yeah, bro isnt a master water bender. A master would take advantage of being in the middle of an element that they are extremely skilled with. I think Aang was the closest to mastering water though rather than the other elements apart from Air which he obviously mastered.

[@Limrick1029]

@@TundraMue You can enjoy anything you want, that has nothing to do with its actual writing quality. Korra is a sequel series to Avatar, yet it breaks almost every single aspect of the universe it’s placed in. If it was a standalone series, a lot of the worst writing problems would disappear, but it isn’t.

[@daekry]

@@Limrick1029 that is completely incorrect, and it's so weird how the haters all just repeat that same false talking point

[@Limrick1029]

@@daekry Elaborate then?

[@daekry]

@@Limrick1029 elaborate how? it doesn't break the rules of the universe, and whenever someone tries to say otherwise the only thing they manage to prove is that they didn't understand the show.

[@whitewolf-cy8gq]

This was posted by Bryan on his tumblr July 12, 2012 so for the people who say that they never knew that they were gonna get another season until season 1 ended are so wrong about this. “The Legend of Korra has been picked up for an additional 26 episodes, which will be split into Books 3 & 4! Mike and I had been hoping to announce this big news to the crowd at the Korra SDCC panel tomorrow morning, but the network put out a press release yesterday. And as we suspected, people are pretty confused, understandably so. Hopefully people are also excited. I'm sure lIl be trying to clear this up in posts for a long time to come, but I'II lay it all out right now: - Book 1 = 12 episodes - Book 2 = 14 episodes - Book 3 = 13 episodes - Book 4 = 13 episodes - TOTAL = 52 episodes Why are the four books split up into those numbers of episodes, you might ask? Initially, Nickelodeon picked up Korra as a 12-episode miniseries. Their idea was to do 12-episode arcs that were more standalone than the original Avatar series. Mike and I were cool with this idea, as we had originally wanted the seasons to be 12 episodes long instead of 20, and creatively we liked the idea of doing tighter story arcs. The original plan was that if Nickelodeon wanted more episodes, they would order them 12 episodes at a time. But while we were in production on Book 1, Nickelodeon decided to change their season lengths from 20 episodes (like Avatar had) to the more standardized international length of 26 episodes. They liked how Book 1 was coming out and decided to round out the order to fit their new 26-episode mold, and we got a 14-episode pick-up, which became Book 2. Then, the network wanted even more Korra, so they picked up another order of 26 episodes. Mike and I wanted to stick with the shorter "books," so creatively we are splitting the second order of 26 into Books 3 & 4, 13 episodes each. What makes this even more confusing is that the network considers each block of 26 episodes a "season," which is another reason we try to stick to calling these Korra arcs "books." So for the network's purposes, Books 1 & 2 are Season 1, and Books 3 & 4 are Season 2.”

[@discowaffle4614]

Fun fact: Korra holds the world record for fastest produced continuity error of any sequel media in history

[@catj.v.6904]

What bugs me most about the series is how much they butcher the lore. It seriously would've been better as a mini series like originally intended. I feel like so many people who love this show tend to ignore the actual, valid criticism and flaws other fans of the previous show point out, and instead defend themselves against the weaker, more niche criticisms or under the guise of a "you just have nostalgia glasses" type of argument. Or falling for the superficial representation of emotion-heavy ideas like ptsd. I wish they'd realize that it's okay to love something while simultaneously acknowledging and accepting its flaws.

[@naqibdaik7241]

I can agree with that. I mean I also have a dilemma with Boruto. But it's just. A good entertainment, both of them is. And I mean by that is to actually ignore the lore and so on the prequel had set up and just enjoy the show. Nevertheless, for a lore enthusiast, they'd never be a good show. I love the avatar. It's portray everything in Asian culture. Different Martial Arts as Bending Styles, Different Ideologies, etc. TLoK would never give me the same vibe as ATLA.

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

a lot of the people in the comment section just have weak arguments like "oh they made Aang and Toph bad parents (even though Aang was obviously busy fullfiling his avatar lore and teaching air nomad culture to Tenzin and Toph never showed traits of being a good mother in the future), trash show" "bendings like lightning/metal/blood (which were unknown in ATLA) are now more common (due to being widely known) doesnt make sense, trash show" or "Korra shouldnt learn airbending after her other bendings were taken away (even tho its the same plot armor that was used in ATLA when Aang accessed AS in his fight against Ozai)" Also I dont even love the show, I prefer stuff like Usogui or Liar Game. Its just that this show is okay/cool

[@Evolution-Is-A-Blatant-Lie]

​@mynameisntjoe3024 I dont see how those arguement are "weak". You are the exact type of people we are criticising about. You believe the Korra writers story telling is more canon than the original source material. You are easily brainwashed to accpept new lore by incompetent writerrs hijacking a story they did not create. If anything its disrepectful to take someone else's story and take their characters to do actions that has no correlation to their personal self. It makes ZERO SENSE that a chuld with no parents who loves peace and is a pacifist neglects their own children. Never in the history of mankind has that ever happened. The story writers all have daddy issues and have zero self awareness on how neglectful parents are made. Again this all ties in to Korra writers disrespecting the original creater of ATLA and makes SURE its canon so no one can argue about it. You love this show just admit it. Every Korra fan claim they dont like this show yet find the need to make paragraphs countering the points to Korra criticism.

[@GenericDan]

@@Evolution-Is-A-Blatant-Lie The real problem isn't Korra's outright bad writing (except book 2). It's just Korra haters expecting a show that was intended to be a mini-series to be on the ranks of arguably the best animated show ever created. You're just setting the standards way too high. ATLA is objectively better than TLOK, everyone knows that, and if you hate Korra so much, just move on. It's not like ATLA had to be removed for TLOK to be created.

[@Evolution-Is-A-Blatant-Lie]

@GenericDan the world will never advance if everyone one just "moved on" if they had negative opinions. Its how criticism works. You are who you are today because of both negative and positive opinions. Telling someone to "move on" is just lazy arguing and makes you shallow to accept that bad criticism is needed to have a better outlook of life. Also what is wrong with setting high standards? For the past decade every one wants to release reboots and prequels without putting effort yet have the audacity to expect fans to like it just as much as the original. Stop consuming medicore content. Have some self respect of what you call "entertainment" in your spear time.

[@as7river]

Nikelodeon: We're worried no one will want to watch a show with a female protagonist. Literally every ATLA fan: KYOSHI. SHOW. NOW.

[@Loppedofflemons]

Ikr. the legend of Kyoshi would be so much better than the legend of korra.

[@honkhonk8009]

Kyoshi had a better story than fucking Korra lol. It was relatable regardless of religion.

[@poogissploogis]

Yeah seriously, that was just delusional on their part. The 90s were a Renaissance of diverse protagonists that many people loved.

[@fsociety7494]

This show was beyond awful.. I hate that it was connected to Avatar, such a let down. Besides the opening scene against civilians, did she ever win a fight?!

[@AustinKelly01]

dude its not about winning a fight bruh she was a teen fighting grown ass people.. this show was simply poorly planned and its because of nickaloeon. people need to understand that this show was supposed to just be ONE season...... avatar the las air bender had ALL OF ITS SEASONS thoroughly planned... I genuinely feel so bad for Korra because all the hate the show receives isn't even the characters fault its really nickalodeons

[@fsociety7494]

@@AustinKelly01 Korra is a fictional animated character, no need to feel sorry for her. My point was how they cheapened the avatar state in this show. Aang was 12 years old and was kicking ass. In the avatar state he literally pushed back an whole army in the water nation, almost killed people til he caught himself and defeated a super powered firelord. Many of those before he even mastered all the elements. Korra consistently was losing fights to simple benders while she was suppose to be in the avatar state. Not to mention only avatars were suppose to have to ability to learn multiple bending styles, now because you try hard enough you can learn new styles. Lava bending, what the hell was that!

[@AyamesChronicles]

@@fsociety7494 didn't aang get folded by Jet and some archers?

[@fsociety7494]

@@AyamesChronicles the point was in the early stages of the series, aang tried to avoid fights and yes got caught a few time. But korra was losing fights in the avatar state. Once to someone who literally became a airbender 2 minutes ago., and a metal bender, and others, all while in the avatar state. I mean people who like korra, each his own, but besides a very few good moments, was not a good show imo.

[@AyamesChronicles]

@@fsociety7494 you mean Zaheer while she had mercury pumping through her veins and Kuvira getting saved because PTSD kicked in from the aforementioned mercury poisoning...? At least she didn't die while in it from some lightning

[@elowin1691]

Every season of Korra begins and ends the same. We establish the villain who is always a character that is upending the status quo due to some ideological reason. In many ways they appear to be justified, and we set up a little dilemma where our heroes have to disentangle their ideology and decide if they even ought to be opposing the villain. But then all that pesky thinking about political structures and ethical issues is all but completely aborted around the middle of the season after the villain goes too far in some way, and Team Korra feels forced to intervene with violence. Then finally by the last few episodes, just before Korra has to deal with the villain once and for all, it is revealed that actually the villain was acting in bad faith in some way, and the ideology they seemed to be a true believer in was at most a partial representation of their true goals, which are ultimately really just basic villain shit. The Fire Nation in ATLA are portrayed as being pretty straightforwardly evil from beginning to end, but that's because a pseudo-fascist imperialist nation is kinda just straightforwardly fucking evil, and the portrayal of that ideology is done with much more maturity than the clown shoes floundering that Korra engages in with its ideologically motivated villains. And it's supposed to be the more mature, political show lmao.

[@honkhonk8009]

Its actually explained lowkey. Firebending is the expression of energy. The Fire Nation was ambitious, and most of the times back then, ambition was an energy just thrown into military endeavours. Nothing else. Nowadays we have nukes, so our ambition is thrown into scientific/economic competition rather than just military. The Fire Nation was shown to be full of incredibly ambitious people who knew no better.

[@synysterdawn8913]

The thing with season one was that there never was any inequality showcased against non-benders. The show never shuts up about there being so much inequality and oppression, but fails to properly show it in a compelling way. I'm sure that was the intent behind showing a couple of gangsters abuse their bending early on, but anyone who knows anything about organized crime is that it's often motivated from a lack of resources, opportunity, and manipulating the unfortunate. And the show even reinforces this by pointing out how Fire bending boyfriend and his Earth bending brother (I genuinely can't remember their names) had also resorted to crime to survive. Strange that there seems to be a significant population of underclass benders in a story and setting that's trying to setup non-benders as being systemically oppressed, while non-benders are gathering in large scale rallies and organizing a militia with enough manpower and firepower to take on an entire army and capture the capital city of the entire world. And let's not forget that this same city is built from the ground up to cater to non-benders in both invention and infrastructure. Like, the idea that there would be some inherent imbalance of power and opportunity between people who can shoot fire out of their hands and your average, non-bending citizen is definitely THERE, and it should've been so easy to showcase it and build on that idea, but this show is just so bad that it completely fumbles every possible opportunity it had. It's also weird how it was never a problem in ATLA, where bending was actively embraced as the central component of each nation's respective culture, and the one non-bending character of the main group consistently proves himself to be just as capable as your average bender. The entire sword training episode was basically addressing Sokka's insecurity about being a non-bender, and then proving that whether or not he can bend is irrelevant to his worth and capabilities.

[@Willow-cw9te]

Let’s also not forget Mei, Tai Lee, Suki and I will even add Zuko because when he was the blue spirit, he did not use any bending but still proved himself as a great fighter and swordsman.

[@silverblade357]

That's a damn good point. Despite how big bending is in the world, there were still plenty of swordsmen, archers, martial artists, and bounty hunters that were celebrated for their raw skill. There were plenty of non-benders that succeeded with no sign of prejudice against them. The only example in ATLA I can remember is Zuko being shamed for being pretty basic firebender, but that was only because more was expected of the Fire Prince. Fast forward to the post-war industrial world, there is suddenly this moronic divide between benders and non-benders. This doesn't track in a world with modern industry where these gifts would be less important than ever before. There were never any caste systems in place that revolved around bending. There were only a couple isolated incidents of street criminals abusing people. Looking back, the conflict just seemed very artificial and seemingly ripped from the pages of a bad X-Men fanfic.

[@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

Speaking about Sokka, he was the head of republic's city council I have to assume not that long before Korra started. And he's a non bender. This alone is a contradiction with the non benders feeling marginalized the show never addresses

[@MALICEM12]

Yep, it think that they were hoping that the real world would do the heavy lifting. In America there is a constant, neverending chanting about social inequalities, so for a kids TV show to cry social inequalities without bothering to even show them implies that they figured people would just project their real world view into the show to justify it. LoK doesn't show the benders being oppressive towards non benders in particular, they just hope you go along with the familiar narrative and apply the same over reaching real world narratives into a kids show.

[@delivererofdarknessshoguno1133]

Honestly, it was such a great potential for a complicated story. I mean, let's look at it realistically, if bending was real, there would be a massive advantage for all benders in both employment and everyday life. There is no job that a non-bender would do better than a bender and many jobs that a bender would do 100 times better. Why hire a team of builders when you can have a couple of earth benders build you a house in a few hours, all from solid stone? And benders don't have any disadvantages from being benders, they are just default better. And I am not even mentioning the capabilities of a common bender to commit violence compared to a common normie. These could make for ligitimate points, they wouldn't even have to make equalists into generic evilguys led by a bender pretending to be a nonbender, but they ended up making benders look opressed by the unfair prejudice from equalists and their supporters and just forgot about all the talks of inequality by the end.

[@SockGal]

I agree with all of your points. I really wanted to like this show. I kept trying to convince myself it was a good. The Legend of Korra feels like bad fanfiction. Korra as a character feels like the classic fanfic OC that the writter loves but doesn't understand. It's all just a waste...

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

"I agree with all of your points" it's the part where I stopped taking your comment seriously "Korra as a character feels like the classic fanfic OC" Stay mad, because she has more development than Aang

[@hg.c7987]

@@mynameisntjoe3024 What development? she keeps reverting to herself from season one.

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

@@hg.c7987 Korra in season 1: arrogant, annoying and simple minded Korra in season 4: wants to talk things out instead of fighting, mature and knows that she shouldnt go to unnecessary violence

[@satelliteprime]

@@mynameisntjoe3024 Not particularly. Korra is the classic example, in fact probably the best example, of a character to whom a story happens to rather than actually having her engage with it. I honestly don't subscribe to the common criticism that she's a Mary Sue that the writers love, because on the contrary, I've never seen writers so consistently and repeatedly set up a character to fail and engineer a character to be insufferable and unlikeable. The problem is that this is never in service of anything. It just happens because that's how the writers THINK a character arc works. Every season excluding the 4th begins with a Korra devoid of respect for those around her, her own abilities and even herself. The final season is a desperate handicap meant to force an arc upon her, but actually manages to be worse than anything the show did prior, somehow, because the writers knew absolutely nothing about how a subject matter as complicated and delicate as PTSD and tried to do it anyway. The worst part about that is that the only reason you would ever do that is to force Korra through some sort of crucible in order to call it development, because every single previous attempt failed because the writers were writing a reactive story with the intention of being "mature" instead of a proactive one with the intention of telling a story worth telling. The result is a contradictory mess of a show starring a character who exclusively stumbles into change caused exclusively by other people. How do you know this show is contradictory? Because Korra is the most proactive character in the cast yet in 4 seasons the ONLY thing that she does to change the status quo is running away to Republic City in the pilot. Amon's exposure? Korra accidentally did that. Restoring the bending Amon took? Aang did that. Opening the spirit portals? Unalok did that. Destroying the Avatar cycle (bad changes are still changes). Unalok did that. Earth kingdom destabilization? Zaheer did that. Her PTSD? Zaheer did that. Earth Empire? Kuvira did that. Third Spirit Portal? Kuvira accidentally did that via her superweapon and Korra was just the catalyst. Aang begun the series without the skills or the maturity to defeat the Firelord and end the war. By the series end, that is exactly what he does. He doesn't stumble into it, he chose to act and came out the other end victorious, thanks to the culmination of all of his past experiences. Korra never gets this. And even if she had, I'm not convinced the writers would have even gotten the point of why this is important. Thank goodness this show ended when it did.

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

@@satelliteprime I agree with PTSD part "Restoring the bending Amon took? Aang did that" What about the time when Aang literally changed into Kiyoshi? What about the time Aang could suddenly communicate with his past avatars freely? Avatar spirits are spirits, so they have the energy. If they have the energy then they can also bend. Aang knows energybending so even as a spirit he can take and bring back bending "Opening the spirit portals? Unalok did that" And Korra went the hard way of not closing them back (even though most avatars would do that) and instead tried to unite humans and spirits "Amon's exposure? Korra accidentally did that." Accidentally? How? " he chose to act and came out the other end victorious" From his pov he ran away and he even blames himself for it, that victory wasn't planned, because he didn't expect FN to attack Air Nomads "Korra never gets this" Aang went through development to forgive himself and fight his fear. Korra went the different way- her development was about her stopping being reckless and instead of solving things with violence she now chooses to talk first. She saw that being avatar isn't only about fighting the bad guys and the whole story she develops into full avatar (s1-s4: reckless- still reckless, maybe unlikable, but she learned that her most loved ones were lying to her so who can blame her- more mature, still sometimes too reckless- totally matured, not reckless at all

[@abc.6223]

I think what irritates me the most about the loss of her past lives is that they are taking the spiritual concept of ancestry WAY too literally and tangibly if they think it's possible to somehow kill off your ancestor's already dead spirits. That's what the past avatars were meant to represent on a cultural level, i'm almost totally certain, they're a more fantastical and battle-ready use of the Eastern concept of ancestry, and so to me, that comes across as incredibly besides the point to permanently remove a person's ancestry-- as if that's something that could ever be possible. The abstract concept of learning from past experiences is what's really important here, on a thematic level, no matter how much you may want to "restart your canon." Philosophically it's nonsense, and so the fantasy elements inspired by that philosophy must follow it narratively, or else the series' themes become nonsense as well-- but that's a problem with the whole show, as you said.

[@PhoenixFires]

Your take is a fundamental misunderstanding of what happened both on a pragmatic level and thematic level. Korra is cut off from her past lives pragmatically because the memories of each past Avatar in Raava was destroyed or at least locked away. On a thematic level, it actually makes even MORE sense for her to lose connection with her "ancestors" as a major part of Korra's character arc is losing one's sense of self and identity in the face of humbling failure and defeat.

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

they just said that AS is transferred through spirit, if you kill the spirit and its reborn then the connection it had previously is gone

[@BETMARKonTube]

36:41 I like that you specified "ALMOST none of the characters are in any way engaging or interesting" while showing Lin Beifong. She and her mother are the best characters in the show.

[@Ben-vg6ox]

The way that they abandoned the world structure of the original avatar is so infuriating, in ATLA bending made entire cultures run, lightning bending was extremely rare and only for the talented , the spirit worlds was actually mysterious and the spirits were all based on real living things, even Koh was a centipede that happened to steal faces, and the avatar is the bridge between the world's not some useless portals, Ravaa and Vatuu didn't exist or get referenced at all, bending was based on martial arts techniques , and bending was supposed to have been learned from the original benders like the badger moles and the dragons.... I knew these writers were going downhill the moment they convenienced their way out of killing the fire lord with that energy bending nonsense

[@undeadladybug7723]

The main issue for me is whoever was in charge seemed to care more about sending some kind of bullshit "girls are better than boys" message than actually making a show worth watching. Seriously, name one guy in the series that isn't incompetent, a bonehead, and/or barely in the series. At the same time, it feels like they had no idea what they were trying to say with it, so they went "screw the story, world and characters!" and just did whatever the hell they felt like.

[@imma5761]

Go woke and go broke

[@negate-07]

i think (might be wrong) it was the better way to explore the non bending world at least from the viewer perspective also the men being most irrelevant has more to do with f*** I'm not doing twice the job the schedule is already f***ed so easy way out

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

Bolin

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

Tenzin

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

Zaheer

[@cananary]

avatar last airbender has some of the most likeable female characters too. i swear, a lot of times with female characters they make them annoying,useless, weak or one demensional but they went deep with them and made them powerful, well rounded i love it!! azula and toph are my faves!!❤️💗

[@palemeadows]

azula should have got her redemption arc tbh, my fav was suki tho

[@cananary]

@@palemeadows i just rewatched it i love suki too 💜

[@jneilson7568]

Even when Katara was bossy and unreasonable, it was balanced and often called out. And she had to be a team mom.

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

Korra is developed well and is powerful There are a lot of female characters in TLOK which are strong and arent defined as just 'female'

[@tedflips1501]

​@@mynameisntjoe3024😂let it go bro.

[@guumidropu]

Next Avatar: “Hm.. I need help from a previous avatar.” Korra: “Nah, I’d win.”

[@swapnajoynath1478]

After watching ATLA i went into korra with pretty low expectations knowing that no show could possibly compete with that. The entire time i watched korra i was like "yeah okay i guess". The worst part is none of the 'main' main characters or the 'supporting' main characters made an impact on me. The closest i could come to liking was probably Lin beifong but that's probably because I was SUCH a big Toph fan.

[@LongNguyen-tn6jw]

Think about how many single moments we still remember over years in ATLA. "Oh Sokka you saved me", "Looks like Long Feng is long gone",... it's just tiny moments out of nowhere but we still remember it. Those scenes literally re-run exactly in my brain right now. The only thing i can remember about LoK is love triangle, disgusting. I don't even remember what they do the whole season.

[@sirbilliam3455]

@@LongNguyen-tn6jw "three on three plus sokka" is another funny moment and shows how disrespected nonbenders can be treated in ATLA by measuring someone's worth by how well they can fight. I'm still trying to figure out how nonbenders were systematically oppressed in LOK like what was practically stated.

[@6thgraderfriends]

We like Lin in season one so much because she's the real hero of that season. She holds people accountable for their actions, when things go sour she steps up to the plate, she doesn't make excuses when she fails, she doesn't need a pep talk when things go wrong, she protects people, and she sacrifices herself for the greater good. You know, all things Korra should be doing as the main protagonist.

[@jacobchandler7642]

A great summation of my experience with the show, too. TLOK was 3 seasons of "Hey, that sounds interesting", followed by a big letdown (Books 1, 2, and 4). Book 3 is the only one I feel that delivered on its setups. Such a frustrating show.

[@michaelflores9220]

I’ve always thought of teen titans and code lyoko as better than avatar. No, I don’t mean teen titans go.

[@HeyJoe.]

THEY ELIMINATED THE HISTORY OF THE AVATAR FOR NO REASON

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

it was for a good reason

[@HeyJoe.]

Not really. Creatives do this to a lot of shows and it never works. “The next generation” theme after a goated run of an original idea. They create entire worlds in the past they could explore but instead they move forward in time. When the community doesn’t respond well, they nerf the pervious gen to show that this one is stronger. Her losing her connection to the past could’ve never happened and the should would’ve been better. For comparison: Naruto losing Kurama in Boruto

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

@@HeyJoe. Korra lost AS, because its too op She already could control it if Aang could control his AS starting from book 2 then he would be too op too

[@HeyJoe.]

@@mynameisntjoe3024 which is poor writing. How is the main power system of the main character of the show to op? Then why even have the power system? Why create Roku, Kioshi, and all the previous avatars just to destroy it. It was also a way for the writers of the show to say they didn’t want to do the show anymore.

[@mynameisntjoe3024]

@@HeyJoe. on a second thought I do agree that they shouldve just made Korra unable to enter avatar state on command and maybe only use it in season 3 against Zaheer, after which the poison would weaken her psyche to make her unable to use it in season 4

[@grimlockprime1972]

You might be the first person I've ever heard say Legend of Korra was overrated. Back when it came out I remember people being fairly underwhelmed ay best when comparing it to The Last Airbender. Season 2 in particular I think is pretty universally dispised. The other seasons get a little better, but they still don't hold a candle to TLA. Maybe a decade or so has made people re-evaluate the show and softened their opinion, but I've still never heard anyone claim that Korra is the better of the two Avatar shows.

[@TheDorianTube]

You know a show sucks when a baby girl-boss erupts into a room, the first 20 seconds of the first episode, breaking the fourth wall to address the fans, yelling ''I'm the Avatar, deal with it''. Yuck.

[@AyamesChronicles]

To be fair, if we were 4 and had 3 elements, we would all be terrors

[@Kalizoid]

@@AyamesChronicleswho taught Korra how to earthbend, and firebend in the southern WATER tribe??? None of it makes any sense.. there’s a reason people call her a Mary Sue sometimes, and this is one of them.

[@AyamesChronicles]

@@Kalizoid the white lotus... The society of benders united among the 4 nations? You can see them scouting for the new avatar in literally the first 30 seconds, as they have been investigating claims to the point where they had doubts the moment they walked in the door. Took her 13 years to master the 3 elements but she's a Mary Sue following the same progression as every other avatar not named Aang? If anything Aang is a Gary stu for picking up every element within a year with no real effort. Hardest element was earth and he got it in a literal day while Korra couldn't Airbend for months

[@Kalizoid]

@@AyamesChronicles that doesn’t make any sense though. The white lotus were LOOKING for her. I asked who taught her how to bend those elements at such a young age. Aang being able to learn water from a white lotus master, earth from toph (the greatest earthbender), and fire from the son of the fire lord- over the course of several months is not comparable to a literal toddler bending 2 of those already with ease. I’ll give her the pass with water because that just makes sense.

[@artix755]

@@KalizoidShe learned then by herself like every kid in avatar the last airbender and the legend of Korra they start off learning by themself and then train to master their skills

[@gls3578]

For me the worst thing was the villains. They were a perfect sign that how every season is build without any intended connection and it just feels like ben 10 episodes 💀

[@kalcium.yippee]

Yeah, the villains were good on their own, but because they didn't know there was gonna be a season 2, they had to end it off, that happened again for season 2 because they didn't know they were getting season 3. They were aware that they were gonna do season 3 and 4, but they already had set up that they were gonna do new villains each season. It's a shame it all din't connect.

[@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917]

The difference is the majority of Ben10 villains are actually good.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917 And don’t have bad understandings of political ideologies stapled onto them… only for them to be lies half the time. I’d love it if we stepped back from these kinds of villains for a while unless they do something like they did for Magneto in the most recent years of X men.

[@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917]

@@christopherbennett5858 I agree, seems like in the modern era people forget that sometimes simple assholes with no motivations can make for great villains too.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917 Honestly, a lot of the “developed” villains kind of just have a Freudian excuse so that they’d be redeemed so the people thirsting over them have a guilt free jack-or-Jill off.

[@POTO_Phan]

Her personality would work better if she was an an earth bender. water bending just feels out of place. Even the fact that she struggles to learn air bending. Its like they write her as a earth bender but then remembered she needs to be in the water tribe

[@0ctopusComp1etely]

Finally, a video that expresses all my grievances with Korra in a video that isn't 2 hours+. Not that I don't watch and love those too.

[@shripoorn]

One thing that no one mentions is that the show tries to make every important character female without any reason whatsoever, like most villians, most side characters etc

[@StrangerE0ns]

As cool as the setting of korra is I just think the early 1900s steampunk ish technology and style of everything detracts from what made airbender special, rather it especially lessens bending Bending was tied to actual spiritual and martial arts practices, and it only ever really felt at home in a sort of old eastern setting It doesn’t really feel as impactful or respected in Korra’s setting especially since they literally have tommy guns, cars, and planes, and there’s just fucking wrestling but bending, and dudes who can bend lightning just power generators like having such an ability suddenly isn’t special And don’t get me started on fucking spirit world vine laser cannons and giant robots. What actual point and utility is bending now if they can just use whole ass laser cannons and skyscraper height robots I don’t know it just doesn’t work for me

[@alittlekittycat21]

Coming from someone that has rewatch ATLAB multiple times before Korra was a thing; I was so excited to see how it would compare and live up to the original. I knew that I would have some disappointments due sequels tending to be less successful than the original. I knew that going into it. But I knew it would be good regardless. However, I immediately noticed all of these problems within the first half of season one. Korra was insufferable. But I powered through S1 to see if she would grow as character. Now let me say this: if the writers were worried about the audience not wanting to watch a female protagonists- they were sorely wrong. However, what I have an issue with is how they made her the most incompetent, insufferable, egotistical, bratty character ever. This makes me feel like the writers believe this is how female protagonists would act. If she was actually competent and little goofy like Aang- then at least some of her previous life would be showing through organically. Everything just a fix-it episode and everything miraculously falls in the lap of Korra with little to no effort because heaven forbid she puts effort into anything she does. And even if she does, it’s the dumbest shit ever and alway the worst of the options that are available to her. She is easily the worst Avatar (in universe) in history. I feel like if Aang was alive, even he would lose his patience’s with her. He saved the world at 12 years old (112 technically but that beside the point) and Korra can barely do anything. The legend of Korra is the most shallow tv show that begs the viewers to love it because it’s a sequel to something that you did love. The whole thing is screaming, “Is nostalgia gonna make you love me? Because we won’t make it more than that.” To say I suffered through it is the least of it. It was practically painful and it felt like pulling teeth to watch up where I did. Not to mention out of nowhere Korra is just gay?? Maybe I wouldn’t have an issue with it if the writers actually drove deep into her character and cemented that as who she is… but because that didn’t do that I refuse to believe it. Talk about woke brownie points for the hell of it. In conclusion: it’s shit. I like to think of it as if it’s “The next karate kid”- nonexistent. Just like how “The Karate Kid” is solely a trilogy in my eyes; the world of Avatar will always just be “A trilogy of seasons with some comics after the Gaang save the world and assist Zuko and Azula in finding their mother.”

[@Aciarr]

sorry but kora can only get 2nd worst in the avatar rankings as kuruk the previous water avatar just watched as the firenation ammassed power and died trying to get his gf's face back from koh

[@magical571]

@@Aciarr maybe, but he isn't presented as a gifted protagonist we watch four seasons of lol. Even on his first appearance in atla he admits to having failed and being regretful of it.

[@Dryltd]

I forgot they threw out "Eastern" religious philosophy for the "Western" religious philosophy. Thanks for reminding me they did that.

[@15jewjew]

They never did any of that. You guys just don't understand eastern religion.

[@Dryltd]

@@15jewjew I'm aware but why didn't you just cite the equivalent entity. It would have been more convincing. Be the living Bodhisattva. Don't make vague counterarguments. I expect better from you. Good day.

[@15jewjew]

@@Dryltd I'm really not sure what you are talking about.

[@theunknownparaiah8364]

@@15jewjew "Don't make vague counterarguments."

[@15jewjew]

@@theunknownparaiah8364 if you're giving vague arguments that's what you get.

[@MrJhwan]

I blame the show being written as it was being produced. ATLA had it's entire story laid out before a single frame of animation. Korra didn't plan to exist beyond season 1, and there were still production issues throughout.

[@lisaleyendekker8305]

The only people who deserved their paycheck for LOK were the music department and a few of the voice actors for characters who were actually interesting.

[@resurgingflame]

The entirety of the voice actors has done a great job. They're not the problem.

[@naijamations3404]

And the animators.

[@hanburgundy4317]

@@naijamations3404 Thank you! I was gonna say, no mention of the amazing animation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4fGeYprZdOHi80

[@kingdomworker2615]

I think the absence of Aaron Ehaz is a large part of why the writing is poor. Konitzco and dimartino are often given all the credit for ATLA, which they largely deserve, but I think Ehaz was that final piece.

[@jamthesnitch9847]

In the "history" part if the video, you pointed out how the Avatar is supposed to travel the world to understand other cultures. Now that you mentioned that, we never really get to see the Fire nation or even Omashu in LOK.

[@VanguardJester]

I've said it before, i'll say it again. The legend of korra is just a fanfiction with a budget.

[@jo2399]

I was recently reading a book on how to write a riveting novel and your review of LoK is perfect for what the novel was getting at. Storytelling is all about showing how a character learns a lesson and changes by the end of the story. LoK has all these great ideas and wonderful world-building, but the characters, the heart of the story, just didn't deliver. They were a fail compared to ATLA's cast, who obviously went through immense character growth. Like, for example, Soukka about being a leader, Aang accepting responsibilities, Toph coming to terms with how her childhood had has made her hate all kinds of systems, and Zuko with his redemption.

[@Stumbo99]

What was that book?

[@ralphcabiling1314]

I too would like to read the book. Sauce please?

[@oceeta]

Hey, don't leave us hanging. Can we get that book recommendation?

[@oceeta]

Okay, so I did some research, and I think I found the book where this idea about storytelling comes from. The name of the book is "Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel" by Lisa Cron.

[@vernonsmith3609]

It was terrible and didn’t get better until the end of the show. Too late to care then. Korra was a forced shallow character. Most in her cast reflects the same, but each are slightly better in personality and background. She had everything handed to her including having a family, and yet very little in terms of personal ambition to develop on. She seemed to get more hostile with each season, and remained generally unlikeable in personality and activity abusing her power until the last season which by then made it too late to start liking her. I was satisfied seeing her get traumatized as it was a punishment she was accumulating since the beginning, and by the end of the series I was just glad it was finally over. Characters with similar qualities only work when they have a balance of being humble sooner with a gimmick that pops up now and again. The Avatar State might’ve been that gimmick, but it didn’t help when she uses it like a toy. As far as a female hero could’ve gone Jinora or Asami would’ve been a better lead than her by a huge margin. And again, I was not surprised she turned into a lesbian. I called it from the start. Aang lost everything flung into a world he no longer recognized being the last of his culture. He endured a lot of hardship to gain all the power and wisdom he would need to restore balance to the world again. He earned his support. Would’ve been nice if his story went on just a little longer. That’s a real achievement unlike Korra with a limited and unremarkable imbalanced cast of characters who at least had more personality and value than she herself as the hero. Their own stories, however, had much to be desired. Not as bad as her though.

[@MALICEM12]

I also enjoyed her suffering and torment as she definitely deserved it by that point in the story.

[@gloriafrimpong17]

How is the show overrated when so many people hate the show? There’s countless videos like this I respect your opinion though Edit: There’s so much nonsense in these replies. 😭 it’s just a cartoon omg

[@savages-on-deck]

Because there is a fair amount of people who pointlessly defend this shit show of a spin-off

[@TheG.82]

Gloria Frimpong you are Clearly are a teenager that likes dark thems

[@deathlydashi]

@@TheG.82 why?

[@David-de2zw]

Can't find a single comment that says the show is shit exepct in ur comments

[@fmstudios14]

what the actual fuck. guys, calm tf down and stop insulting each other for no reason. its embarassing

[@rarhawkydude9605]

One thing I disagree with is the hate on Korra's "PTSD". I don't think that she actually has any. I think it's a misdiagnosis. To me, Korra seems to be suffering from Mad Hatter's disease, which is caused by mercury poisoning. I think Rava was trying to keep her mind intact while Korra was being poisoned, but Korra still hallucinated a murder ghost version of herself cause, to my knowledge, mercury poisoning can cause you to want to harm yourself.