What if there was a Super Mario Bros. 5?

[@thenumbernine]

When I was a 8 year old kid I wrote a long long letter to Nintendo about my vision for a Mario Metroidvania game. So I am all on board with this.

[@thenumbernine]

ok just maybe i have a metroidvania 2d engine coded up, demo vids in my yt prof, and just maybe i've got mario mod / skins for it that i keep to myself but don't tell nintendo

[@PierceArner]

6:31 - That Mario Metroidvania idea sounds neat. I wonder if the implementation would end up feeling sort of MegaMan-like with all of Mario's different suits being individual powers rather than components.

[@Dustin_Bins]

To me that Mariovania (Metroidvania) idea kinda sounds like a combination of Majora's Mask with the Mario universe; Which sounds cool as heck btw. Also it could be kinda like Megaman like Pierce said. Either way, it sounds WAYY cool!

[@OhImKiCkiN]

A Mario metroidvania sounds fantastic! Id pay good money for that game

[@KernelLeak]

Maroidvania?

[@SlippiHUD]

I made a mario metroidvania it should still be uploaded in Mario Maker 2. It was okay.

[@Anvie__]

I think this smm2 level called Marioid Dread does exactly what you're describing. 3GS-0MD-RQF For those that don't have smm2, you can watch the level get played here kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmKmq4OsfamXa5o It even has super metroid custom music in it

[@legoboy7107]

Technically, Yoshi's Island was Super Mario Bros. 5, at least in the Mario devs' eyes at the time, as that's the title it had in development, since in that massive 2020 Nintendo Gigaleak there was an early build of Yoshi's Island that was subtitled "Super Mario Bros. 5" instead of "Super Mario World 2." This also suggests that, contrary to the idea I've seen that the game was only titled "Super Mario World 2" to boost sales, it seems it was the genuine intention of the devs for Yoshi's Island to be the next main 2D Mario game, because otherwise why would they title it "Super Mario Bros. 5" if the final release version of Super Mario World didn't even have the "Super Mario Bros. 4" subtitle in the game? (Yes I know it's still on the Japanese boxart for SMW but that's it I'm pretty sure). Would be a pretty odd development title choice unless the game was actually supposed to be the 5th main console SMB game from the start. Honestly, I think Yoshi's Island kinda works as an SMB5, I know many people don't really consider it a Mario game these days because it would later spin off into its own series, and most of the time you're not actually playing as Mario, but the game itself mechanically does build upon so much of what came in the previous 4 SMB games even though no one seems to talk about that, still very much follows the SMB style and formula for a 2D platformer while some later Yoshi games kinda wouldn't, and introduced a lot of things that would end up sticking with the series going forward; I've noticed a surprising amount of Yoshi's Island influence in later Mario games, especially in the NSMB games actually. And that final Bowser fight is a pretty fantastic final fight to conclude a sort of "SMB Pentalogy" with or whatever lol. I guess NSMB DS could arguably be seen as a better "SMB5" since it's more same-y to the first 4 games, but really with how much "back-to-basics-ing" and simply borrowing from the older titles that game does, let alone its very title, I see that game as more of a "soft reboot" of the SMB style than anything (mechanically, not a reboot story-wise obviously lol because, well, what story? XD). But that's mostly just my opinion and I talk too much lol.

[@Youtube_Intro1]

Yapper

[@TheGreatHalberd]

​@@KZbin_Intro1 who cares, I make paragraphs regularly

[@Southparkstudiosable]

SMW is SMB4 so I figured YI would be SMB5 if it’s SMW2.

[@legoboy7107]

@@Southparkstudiosable Yep, and its prototype literally being titled SMB5 confirms it.

[@ibookboyuk]

This was too varied to be an SMB 5 but lots of good ideas here. I can't wait to see what they do with Super Mario Bros. Sometimes they stil make greatness.

[@blakfloyd]

We REALLY need a new 3D Mario. I get that they've done NSMBUD, SMM2, and Bowser's Fury in between Odyssey's release and now but none of that is even close to being a full-fledged Mario game. I really hope we get an Odyssey 2. The Wii was the last console that got a proper Mario sequel within the same console generation and it'd make perfect sense to do so for a console with an install base of 115M units.

[@raxxtv1998]

Bump. How you feel about the newly announced game. In my opinion, it’s the only game that truly deserves the title of Mario 5.

[@RussTech125]

5:32 Super Mario Bros Wonder was the answer to that!

[@_code1337]

Seems like they’ve answered all of his dreams 😇

[@thexbigxgreen]

The metal cap and vanish cap would allow for some very interesting routing options in that potential game if they were implemented in the same fashion as SM64

[@tigheklory]

These's a secret exit on Cheese Bridge where you have to jump off Yoshi at the end of the stage.

[@pmnt_]

but speedrunners don't know that, they just do some crazy cape manoeuvre ;)

[@SMBplayer0]

@@pmnt_ TIL I am a speedrunner apparently

[@Your_Degenerate]

Wouldn't that be wild if enemies could ride Yoshi?

[@infinitelybanta]

Now that I think about it, it would have been cool for Mario Maker to include an NES style Yoshi. Miyamoto always wanted Yoshi earlier but couldn’t get it to work on the NES, so a SMB3 (or even SMB1) version of Yoshi, with maybe limited uses (like maybe he doesn’t use his tongue) would have been neat and sort of appropriate.

[@ChrisRichmond]

And yet in the NES Adventure Island series, Higgins could ride the monsters.

[@-Keith-]

Metroidvania Mario? Hollow Mario crossover. No mushroom too great. No castle to sink. No brick to break. No wahoo to cry suffering. Born of pipe and girders. You shall seal the blazing koopa that plagues their kingdom. You are the plumber. You are the hollow Mario.

[@NeoAya]

Super Mario Bros 5? More like Super Mario World 2 Wait...

[@favoritesubscriptions8502]

That was just a tacked on subtitle for America

[@williamhicks7807]

To be fair, prototype versions and betas of SMW2 we're labelled SMB5, so you're not far off.

[@areaxisthegurkha]

@@williamhicks7807 and its a canon game so its literally SMB5 assuming SMW1 was SMB4

[@legoboy7107]

@@favoritesubscriptions8502 Not true, that's a sort of myth I've seen KZbinrs parrot without actual evidence beyond speculation. As another guy pointed out, prototype versions of the game (which were Japanese of course) were literally titled Super Mario Bros. 5, and the final Japanese title, while not "SMW2" specifically, was still "Super Mario: Yoshi's Island" with the full Super Mario branding. So there was clearly actual intent by the developers of it being the next SMB follow-up (and there's even more evidence I could get into), and it wasn't actually a mere tacked on subtitle for marketing reasons to boost sales as people like to throw around these days.

[@PERIX_QR]

Okay, technically speaking yoshi's island is super mario bros 5

[@cosmicangel233]

Merry Chrysler

[@MattIsTheCat]

Carry Fisherlass.

[@georgegividen]

Happy Krishna

[@yoshikiretro1452]

Meri Krimma!

[@ElijahRulz]

Meery crisis

[@williamangliss5063]

White crisis

[@TransRoofKorean]

I'll never understand how people don't think SMB3 wasn't the best Mario game or real dang close -- this is reminding me of that so much.

[@shlokwaghela9560]

Nostalgia is blinding you my man, World and Galaxy 1 are too dang good

[@kirbo4252]

​@@shlokwaghela9560 same, galaxy was one of the best games they ever made

[@elchuchooofin3807]

@@shlokwaghela9560 i agree with you but add mario 64

[@shlokwaghela9560]

@@elchuchooofin3807 It's fun certainly but for me those two are basically the 'perfect' games in terms of pure gameplay

[@Southparkstudiosable]

Shigeru disagrees with you. He thinks SMW is the best, it’s just incomplete

[@SpaghettyLuvsU]

5:59 Man I bet 2023!Kosmic would have loved Super Mario Bros. Wonder

[@607]

Wow, I didn't know the SMB2U super jump was in SMM2.

[@wmpowell8]

When I thought of the idea of a _Super Mario Bros. 5_ , then I thought of _Yoshi's Island_ . _Yoshi's Island_ is advertised as Super Mario World 2, with the original _Super Mario World_ advertised as Super Mario Bros. 4. So it's the sequel to the fourth installment in the _SMB_ series, so would that consider it SMB5? And would that consider all future _Yoshi_ series games part of the original _Super Mario Bros._ series?

[@BagOfMagicFood]

Yoshi's Story is definitely Super Mario Brothers 6

[@Bowlore]

Yoshis island in an old version had the words: Super Mario Bros 5 but it goes unused

[@legoboy7107]

Yoshi's Island was literally titled Super Mario Bros. 5 in development, so yes, you're correct there. However, that doesn't mean the future Yoshi games are also part of the original SMB series, it's just the first Yoshi's Island that is, while the later games are spin-offs that are based on that installment and its unique aspects. This is the stance also officially stated by both Miyamoto and Tezuka, the guys in charge of the whole thing since Mario 1 (and Tezuka's still running the 2D Mario and Yoshi series as recently as Mario Wonder), where they've both gone on record saying the original Yoshi's Island is a main Mario game while the following Yoshi games are their own thing.

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

I just wish feature Mario games wouldn't involve the ending of countless lives...

[@darkbonnie87fan]

Now the Super Bros 6/Super mario bros 6 Bootleg has a reason to be Called Mario 6

[@smileshp]

There was actually a ROM Hack Called Super Mario Bros. 5 for the NES. Play that one.

[@jdwoodsman]

I love watching these when I play games and you inspired me to start speedruning smb1

[@nicholas3354]

That game is excellent. Considering how SMB2J is so difficult, if we think of this as sort of SMB5J, being a sequel specifically to Mario World, then it makes sense that it could be a bit more difficult than we usually expect from Nintendo Mario games. The general character of the game feels very Nintendo, and I think Nintendo's tendency to include some ambitious level-design justifies most everything in this game (not that softlock, but I think that is just an oversight, which is ok).

[@theshadowranger]

Part 1 - QYW-FNW-61H Part 2 - N20-L41-QGG This is my traditional full game made in SMB3 style. It combines levels from SMB1,2,3, lost levels and e-reader. It's 77 levels and uses 2 super worlds.

[@fnln3011]

Most impressive NES rom hack yet!

[@GodShiru]

Not NES, nor rom, nor hack, though!

[@kirbo4252]

​@@GodShiru then it's a most impressive yet!

[@loneranger4282]

It's funny how when Kosmic and chat was describing a new Mario game, they were describing word for word what Metroid is

[@Kosmicd12]

thats because someone said "A Mario Metroidvania?" so we were discussing what that would be like.

[@darknessdevours5827]

The rooms where you used the powerups to escape and return to the main level had HEAVY Shovel Knight (specifically Specter Knight) vibes imo.

[@Entolyfik]

it would be cool if you could do stealth mode missions...like being in the ghost house with the lights off, but the lights would be triggers around the enemies, and could be done anywhere!

[@danielah05]

super mario bros 5 does technically exist. thats what yoshis island was called in a leaked prototype lol

[@kaldo_kaldo]

Just wanted to say, there's at least one secret goal that's not reasonably possible to get in SMW without jumping off Yoshi. Maaaaaybe you could do it with the feather but I doubt I could, and the Yoshi method is easy.

[@pjdj]

10:10 I love the transition

[@iexist1300]

I think something like super mario 63 would be a good direction for Nintendo to go if they make a new 2d game.

[@CH11LER.]

If you happen to have the EU version of SMB (or if you can get your hands on a ROM of it) use the GameGenie code EEEGLN. In the US/JP version, it will only spawn a few simple bullet bills in most levels and change a few enemies. In the EU version, things are very different. You will randomly spawn a cursed hammer bro which seems to have complete control of the game. He will do anything to try and kill Mario. This includes but is not limited to, enemies will do new things, even throw hammers, deflect the fire flower... some shots will just fire away, freeze you in place, spawn invisible blocks, flood the level forcing you to swim and he can even crash your game although not that often if you go slower. (I still recommend using save states at the start of each level if you decide to do a playthrough with this code) Without using warp zones, I could only manage to get to level 5 and then I pressed the save button instead of reload save state when he soft blocked me lol. Hope you enjoy this one.

[@batdogduke]

Merry Christmas, y'all

[@Bobbobob12647]

6:32 MarioVania is a real fan-game that exists. It's quite good.

[@yozarian86]

There’s Mario RPG and paper Mario’s. There could absolutely be a Mario-Vania game. It could work.

[@Arcadenes]

Merry Christmas for y'all guys

[@KittSpiken]

That wasn't Larry, that was Gary. Merry Christmas.

[@TransRoofKorean]

0:40 wouldn't it be amazing if a goomba could ride Yoshi

[@KristopherFields05]

One of the most fun worlds I've played on SMM2.

[@near5280]

6:45 so like kirby super stars "milky way wishes" except it hasn't got tons and tons of ways to go

[@NinjaCacodemon_IsSus]

Thanks to someone for giving me a membership😊

[@TTB08]

Bro i was making a metroidvania mari0 mappack like a couple months ago, and it had the health meter and upgradable power ups just like you said, the coincidence is crazy

[@ecernosoft3096]

Merry christmas Kosmic!

[@kingcrimson4504]

What if there’s a super Mario bros 7

[@bb010g]

There actually is a 2D Mario metroidvania ROM hack! Super Mario: Endless Earth is a full game, based from New Super Mario Bros. DS. It's well worth a play.

[@LeetTron5000]

in order to get a red exit in mario world you needed to sac yoshi by going underneath the thingy. Plus you have to imagine they would try to innovate in some ways.

[@Kosmicd12]

You can get to it by flying under it, but yeah I'm sure that's the intended strat

[@agoezwild]

Merry Christmas yall

[@Giant_Rash]

I believe there was a leaked Yoshi's Island prototype named Super Mario Bros. 5 so there kinda is one

[@ItsartoTV]

Finally A Mario Maker video Its been 5 months

[@SUPERFunStick]

Merry Christmas Kosmic

[@KenSch2020]

That's a pretty good game that someone made.

[@GrinninPig]

Chimmy Chungus

[@sudgylacmoe]

There already is a Mario Metroidvania: Extra Mario Bros! It's an SMB hack.

[@archerelms]

Very cool world, can't wait to see more

[@arsonthebee]

Merry Crisis all y'all

[@nathanjay8961]

Mariovania exists already... Go to Mario fan games galaxy It's made by KoBeWi It's a full game and it's fun after you gain a few levels and everything doesn't take 10 stomps to kill

[@Arkume8Beltz]

Imagine a SuperMario Bross.5/ SupermarioWorld2 With Mario or Luigi, but Yoshi Island Snes grafics..

[@DarkCastleBoy]

Merry Christmas bro🎄🎁

[@MattIsTheCat]

Berry Smithson.

[@Spongeyknight6491]

but what about super mario land 1 and 2

[@EGarrett01]

Mario 5 = Yoshi's Island Mario 6 = Mario 64 Mario 7 = Mario Sunshine Mario 8 = Mario Galaxy Mario 9 = New Super Mario Bros. Mario 10 = Mario Odyssey Roughly. I'm sure I'm forgot stuff.

[@yishiyash]

Pretty sure that NSMB came out before SMG so how about Mario 8 is NSMB, Mario 9 is SMG, Mario 10 is NSMBWii, Mario 11 is SMG2, Mario 12 is SM3DL, Mario 13 is NSMB2, Mario 14 is NSMBU, Mario 15 is SM3DW and lastly Mario 16 is SMO.

[@EGarrett01]

@@yishiyash Sounds good. I stopped playing around when the Gamecube came out so after that is guesswork for me.

[@JamesSpeiser]

This game looks great!

[@starleaf-luna]

still waiting for "What if there was a Super Mario Bros. 6?"

[@MedAnimations]

i think kosmic has never tried fangames out PSF (Power Star Frenzy), Super Mario Flashback and SMB Dimensions 2 are ones that he really should try out

[@Kosmicd12]

I've done just a couple, like mario crossover and stuff. Will probably do some more in the next year

[@MedAnimations]

@@Kosmicd12 Yeah I know about it, but I think there's a great selection out there 😄 Can't wait to see what you're picking

[@HeyBullfrog]

Merry chrsisi

[@TheMacCheechMan]

there is already an SMB5 it's called Yoshi's Island.

[@Atsumari]

You made me want to play this in SMM2 x-x

[@MaxOakland]

I want to see the rest!

[@JessmanChicken86]

Has Nintendo science gone too far?

[@platinum-or3y]

we finally have smb5 ^^

[@nmflash8]

Congrats on the engagement ❤

[@YoshiWithHat]

Mary charsmas

[@_catzee]

But Kooosmiiiic... You forgot about Super Mario Bros. Wonder!

[@M_Alexander]

Oh hey I played some of these recently

[@camwyn256]

Super Mario 5: Too Many Yoshi

[@MattIsTheCat]

Dairy Swissmiss

[@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan]

beautiful stuff :D well done

[@NeXaSLvL]

wouldnt' yoshi's island be super mario bros 5 since its super mario world 2? and then the true super mario bros would technically go on to be yoshi's story and yoshi's wooly and crafted world.

[@NeXaSLvL]

also for Mariovania you could use the colored switches like in super mario world to make the blocks containing the powerups usable. that would keep to the original spirit of mario where if you get hit you lose your powerup

[@Haliflux1111]

This is insane

[@SysDataSoftOffical]

Fun fact: smw2: yoshi's island is also named smb5 and smb6 is yoshi island ds lol

[@rmcoutinho]

Wait is Super Mario World 2 = Super Mario Bros 5 on SNES

[@MaxOakland]

They require you to jump off Yoshi to get a secret in SMW

[@Kosmicd12]

You can use cape for it, but good point!

[@andreleclerc7231]

You can do it with the cape though.

[@spartv1537]

6:36 WOW! You just invented A Hat In Time! Amazing job

[@MrCheezWhiz]

I don’t get why the fire toad has a blue head and it isn’t in the other games

[@owengames7567]

Bro this dude make Mario maker but without Mario before Nintendo

[@bretterry8356]

Everyone forgets that the original Yoshi's Island IS SMB 5. Yoshi's Island is the subtitle. The full title is Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. As the game that introduced both ground pounding and red coins, it deserves more respect for the fact that it is actually a Mario title.

[@David-bh7hs]

Super Mario Bros for the gameboy color predates yoshi's island and has red coins

[@bretterry8356]

@@David-bh7hs Yoshi's Island was released for SNES August 1995. SMB Deluxe for GBC was released April 1999.

[@David-bh7hs]

@@bretterry8356 🤓

[@ricerocketrider4243]

Super Paper Mario is a metroidvania imo

[@Chiller326]

Well, there's one now, lol.

[@HorribleHomeVideo]

Nothing about this looks close to official in the layouts

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

"I don't think they've ever required you to jump off a Yoshi before." What about that time you had to jump off Yoshi to get enough distance to cross a pit?

[@Kosmicd12]

There's nowhere like that. There's an exit in smw where you're most likely supposed to jump off him to go under a goal tape, but you also can use cape. There's definitely not anywhere you have to jump off him to clear a gap

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

@@Kosmicd12 I was just thinking of this poster for that: i.pinimg.com/736x/17/e8/36/17e83697af779aecf6d9839c7a79dd26--betrayal-so-sad.jpg

[@Kosmicd12]

@@cheezemonkeyeater oh lol. Yeah it definitely happens often! Just not a required thing

[@StrakhotTheCat]

We had even super Mario 16 here in Russia

[@keneo.7627]

This game hates P-Switches

[@lunasophia9002]

I'm pretty skeptical about a new 2D Mario game. We haven't had one in 10 years (NSMBU Deluxe is a port with little in the way of new content), and NSMB (the first one) came out 16 years after SMW. The current focus is clearly and exclusively on 3D, which is a shame, but it's where the money is, so 🤷‍♀

[@MaxOakland]

Yeah I want a 2D Mario game! A good one

[@MattIsTheCat]

Two-Dimensional games are seen as a step down for main stream gaming, and are more exclusively being used for indie games, though some indie games are able to see console ports. But overall, big companies have no reason to go back to 2D exclusive games when they can feature all of the things and more in a game with 3D space. Also 3D games give the player more control, making the accomplishments more their own.

[@MaxOakland]

@@MattIsTheCat Nah, 2D games are equal to 3D games and give the player just as much control. There’s a reason 2D games never go away

[@Kosmicd12]

Well, it's more that 2D has Mario Maker. We got a new 2d mario game 4 (?) years ago with Mario Maker 2. Hard to compete with that with just a normal game. That's why I think whatever the next one is has to really offer something new.

[@MaxOakland]

@@Kosmicd12 I don’t think Mario make takes the place of a “real” Mario game. They fit different niches

[@orgdotedufilms7633]

Merrin Chrisnin

[@Yaramy]

you are not going to believe this

[@TerminatorZXY]

Are you ever gonna do the slowrun and reach the super 1:25?

[@Kosmicd12]

Yeah at some point this year I think I'll give it another go. I have some extra tricks up my sleeve to go even slower this time.

[@infinitelybanta]

I invented GTA3 (really more like San Andreas) in high school… so just sandbox games. I’m tied with roughly 17.9 million other geeks for the distinction. I also realize I’m dating myself here. Cripes.

[@cryimgyoshi334]

So, how's the relationship with yourself going?

[@infinitelybanta]

@@cryimgyoshi334 we’re breaking up

[@john2001plus]

This looks awesome. How do I play it?

[@Kosmicd12]

It's in Mario Maker 2. You enter the super world id

[@Kirby5588]

These levels don't really remind me of a Nintendo Mario game. I made a few of my own trying to go with a traditional Mario level style. If anyone's interested i can link them.

[@jaytv25]

I will make a romhack SMW3