KotOR 2 HK-47: How to Kill Jedi

[@alexanderbowers5225]

"If I see one more idiot attacking a Jedi with a blaster pistol then I'll kill them myself." First thing I thought of in the Rebels Season 2 clip when Sabine shoots at Vader.

[@immortalfrieza]

Alexander Bowers The first thing I thought was "then why do you do the same thing all the time?"

[@hk-47droid64]

immortalfrieza Answer: Because I cannot use any other weapon other than blasters. It is annoying yes, but sometimes you just make mistakes like shooting a Jedi or blasting the wrong political meatbag.

[@MaliciousMallard]

immortalfrieza Give him something that fires a slug or some form of solid ammunition, can't deflect those, just destroy the round :P

[@hk-47droid64]

Evaluation: The Jedi could just use the force to cause the rounds to be pushed back at the shooter. I prefer a distraction and then blasting the meatbag's heads off.

[@immortalfrieza]

Justin Dicke Yeah the player's the one that decides his loadout, but even when HK-47 isn't under the player's control he still uses blasters almost exclusively, as do his "copies", such as in The Old Republic. HK-47 doesn't actually use the tactics against Jedi and Sith he claims that people should at any point, even when he's fully autonomous.

[@greed94]

"In addition to traps, mines and orbital bombardments" Boy, that escalated quickly.

[@wintersking4290]

Depends on the size of the traps and mines...

[@super-zw3ep]

A continent sized mine, the Jedi will never see it coming!

[@adrianvulpes9509]

Yeah, nothing gets greater than orbital bombardment. Death Star engineers: “Dude, hold my Bantha Milk...”

[@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy]

*MORE!!!*

[@sithlordzach8418]

@@super-zw3ep By mine, you obviously mean setting a regional fusion plant to overload.

[@famtomerc]

when you realize HK is indirectly roasting every single jedi from the prequels

[@zhaow4832]

sees likes at 66. ill leave it

[@Daecoth]

The gas statement has me rolling back in the day. I miss old school bioware.

[@gamingninja33]

Except Qui-Gon Jinn.

[@SirV3nt]

@@gamingninja33 holding breath for long period of time to avoid death by inhalation of poison. Seems pretty on the nose to me.

[@demi-femme4821]

The flaws of the Jedi were always there for HK to observe, but the era after the Roussan Reformations served to exacerbate those flaws. By the Clone Wars, HK would have found slaughtering the Jedi almost effortless.

[@GiygasTheUnbound]

"Mines are also effective, since many Jedi will run to meet you in hand-to-hand combat. Silly Jedi." And this is how I pwn 89% of hero-units in SWBF2 with a heavy trooper. HK-47 knows his shit.

[@CaptainCoolzCT-]

Dude HK-47's advice here is extremely effective in BF2. As a Heavy Assault Droid and B2-RP, I excel at defeating Jedi in single combat. Explosives such as Wrist Rockets (B2-RP) and Detonite Charges (B1-H) are ridiculously effective at stopping Jedi in their tracks. Especially along corridors.

[@tatotaytoman5934]

calculating computer man

[@crimsondynamo615]

If only Jango knew

[@atomicbuttocks]

@@crimsondynamo615 in his defense he didn't notice his jetpack break leading to his plan of "walk backwards and shoot"

[@bowchlckabowwow]

@@atomicbuttocks Walking backwards is literally the most op thing in any video game and that will never not amuse me.

[@cielopachirisu929]

"...or being turned on by their own troops." Hehe.

[@andremikhailobierezrfccwms6724]

+Cielo Pachirisu Order 66 hehe

[@ZVelzy]

Here's the thing the game came out 2004, Episode III Revenge of the Sith came out 2005...The game is foreshadowing the event of Order 66. HK-47 is the true master mind behind it all. DAMN YOU BLOOD RUSTED KILLING MACHINE I LOVE YOU! "Statement: I love you too meatbag" Wait! NO! HK! DON'T! SHIT!!! *Blaster Fire*

[@jakeestus2855]

+Hellfire674 hes lieing hes not dead

[@HarryBillyBobGeorge]

Here's the thing about that line. KOTOR 2 came out months before Revenge of the Sith, and production was very secretive. Before that, the movies only stated Vader hunted down the Jedi, not clones. So who put that line in? Who guessed it would be the clones doing most of the work?

[@gidioter]

i just thought the guy made fun of his phrasing "turned on"

[@cameroncooper5941]

Observation: Whomever provided HK-47 with his distinctive vocal intonations is worthy of high praise. For a meatbag.

[@ZmanVlog]

Kristoffer Tabori. He would later go on and do the voice for Darth Desolous and Garm Bel Iblis in The Force Unleashed (and Garm's voice for Forces of Corruption.) He's also worked on Alpha Protocol and the Battlestar Galactica '03, and played one reoccurring character on Avatar The Last Airbender.

[@SomeTuberr]

@@ZmanVlogthe cabbage guy 😮

[@ZmanVlog]

@@SomeTuberr No, War Minister Qin

[@oz_jones]

@@ZmanVlog Also the Lord Regent in Dishonored.

[@johnmars5282]

Obsidian outdid themselves with the dialogue in this game.

[@Dreamerx47]

This is why i buy anything Chris Avellone is involved in.

[@Lawlietftw30]

I was fascinated by every part of this conversation. This feels like a well-built world, and an interesting gaming experience. I love it.

[@appleyanimator6541]

Correction: Obsidian always outdoes themselves when writing dialogue.

[@PeteTheGrouch]

@@appleyanimator6541 Ikr..? Fallout: New Vegas is testament to that.

[@NefariousElasticity]

@@PeteTheGrouch Or The Outer Worlds. That entire game was about its dialogue and the choices you made in it.

[@caffineandshiny]

I love the part when HK says that part of what made him so effective is that the Jedi were arrogant and believed that a droid would pose no threat to him, and that those kills were the most satisfactory.

[@caffineandshiny]

@Deniz Metinoğlu T. Hypocritical meat bags!

[@CaptainCoolzCT-]

There’s a reason why B1 Battle Droids were so effective at killing Jedi. The Jedi believed they posed no threat to them, but watch the Geonosian Arena scene and you’ll see that the B1s killed almost all 200 Jedi Knights Present. It is this reason that the Separatists later on in the War would create improved B-Series Droids, such as BX Droid Commandos and B1-A Aerial Droids, but ironically, they performed worse because of their quality over quantity design. MAN Star Wars is awesome.

[@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441]

@@CaptainCoolzCT- yea if dooku didnt stop them for a bit. even mace would had died. so if the jedi master didnt bought the clones even though he was killed by dooku... without him the jedi be long dead

[@Mare_Man]

@@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 If Palpatine hadn't been playing both sides against each other, the Separatists would have steamrolled the Republic

[@CaptainCoolzCT-]

@@Mare_Man there’s a story that shows this first hand actually, the separatists make new battle droids (Namely The B1-A Aerial Battle Droid and The B2 Cortosis Droid I think) and because they were so incredibly powerful and would have unbalanced the war, Palpatine actually leaked the location of the factory producing the new units to the GAR. So without a doubt you’re correct.

[@crowsenpai5625]

“Whether- Guilt, *Lust* or Fear- they act as mental interference.” Defeat Jedi with the power of horny thoughts!

[@felixfeliciano7011]

I am pretty sure one of the characters does just that. It was the rogue character and pilot. He was in the past an interrogator and recruiter against tge Jedi. How he would work on them was by projecting base and crude emotions that did two things: It made the Jedi think he was a simpleton It prevented them from looking deeper into his mind. Kreia herself actually has trouble reading his thoughts and only after pushing through the muck can she truly see what kind of person he really is. It is an incredibly effective technique.

[@cheekibreeki904]

@@felixfeliciano7011 Atton. His name is Atton.

[@crossarrowentertainment8528]

works even better if its guilty fear filled horny thoughts 😂

[@PANCAKEMINEZZ]

Begin flooding the Council's personal logs with Twi'lek lewds, and then sit back and watch the order crumble.

[@khajiitimanus7432]

@@PANCAKEMINEZZ You... you do realize a large portion of Jedi that could access those logs would be very underaged?

[@99thJediWarrior]

To hear him talk about how to kill Jedi, HK sounds like he should write a book series about it. He can call it "Killing Jedi for Meatbags: A Series of Assassination Techniques."

[@AngelCakes1997]

I just think back to the Phantom Menace "no one can kill a Jedi" then to just hear HK describe it all this well XD

[@khinzaw77]

Ethan Stansmore That was said by an ignorant kid, Qui-gon said something along the lines of "If only that were true".

[@99thJediWarrior]

+JeremyCuddles Such is the way of life. For every advantage a species has, there has to be a counter.

[@Alan_Skywalker]

Feel bad for Coleman Trebor :P

[@benjaminkemer6428]

No. Only my master needs to know. I am annoyed with Meetra for fiddling around and trying to make me empathic.

[@maskedmaniac315]

"There are few Jedi that can long hold their ground against a hundred attackers all firing at once..." *The CIS starts frantically taking notes* "...or being turned on by their own troops" *Palpatine starts frantically taking notes*

[@sanlorenzo7896]

Mace Windu fighting the Super Battle droids alone on Dantooine. Ki-Adi Mundi fighting the clones suddenly on Mygeeto.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@sanlorenzo7896 lol Mace Windu is a TOP top tier fighter. It takes ALOT to take him down!

[@Syphaxis]

@@Gadget-Walkmen Mace is that guy on the server who has been playing so autistically long that he wins even when he should lose.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@Syphaxis I can take anyone seriously when they say “aUtIsTicAlLy” in ANY way at all in normal contexts like this. Seriously, stop. And Mace wins because he’s a master pro, entirely so!

[@Syphaxis]

@@Gadget-Walkmen I'll stop whenever they stop making kids autistic.

[@RockLegend2A]

Everything HK-47 describes is a method Lord Sidious uses against the Jedi in the prequels. Revan is possibly the most influential figure in Star Wars history for developing these methods.

[@nizz0matic307]

nah

[@TK-iu8nj]

Indeed. Especially when you consider that Revan inspired Darth Bane to create the Rule of Two (original EU timeline).

[@Jonas-hp3ht]

Well Darth Bane was made cannon again.

[@GhostLink92]

Well, Anakin certainly had his spirit eroded by the Clone War. by the end, he was fed up with the politicking on Couresant. I think maybe that would've been a better endgame for his fall to the sith, rather than using padme's presumed death to tempt him to turn. Just have Palps send him to battle after battle, slowly breaking down his moral barriers until he was able to be turned fully.

[@FerunaLutelou]

@@GhostLink92 just like to Revan, to Anakin battlefield was a place where he became stronger and started to truly question and disobey the jedi teachings. What makes Revan greater then Anakin in my eyes is how he became so powerful. Revans power didnt come from the force alone, the true power of Revan is himself, who he is as a person. His views on the jedi were never truly shared by anyone. Revan thought that the perfect jedi is a droid. No feelings, only the mission. And he was right.

[@Reach1335]

"Never bring just lightsabers to an Orbital Bombardment fight." -- Revan

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

Ah how long have we come... No seriously if the leaks are to be believed apparently the new writers forgot even that simple logic, as in ep9 Rey will do that and defeat an entire fleet of "sith star destroyers armed with deathstar lasers" (quotations because yes that is a literal quote) single handedly, right after murdering the emperor and all of his clones... Jesus fucking Christ allmighty how did we get to this point.

[@thisdraco4794]

@@thespanishinquisition4078 Welp, it all started with these "force storms" ...

[@dracvich]

@@thespanishinquisition4078 didn't sheev disable most of the resistance's ships by firing fucking force lightning into space

[@EMan-1920]

"Never bring just lightsabers to an Orbital Bombardment fight." Imperium of Man: "Did someone say, Exterminatus?"

[@traptinreality2668]

Learned that one on Taris...

[@dragonslair951167]

Here’s how I imagine it would go for Sith: “Confession: Ah, the Sith. While I admire their penchant for death and destruction, I must concede that they and their code have numerous weaknesses of their own, Master. There are many techniques I may suggest in the likely event that we confront one of those emotionally unstable sado-masochists in the future.” “Go on.” “Explanation: While the Sith employ many of the same techniques and weapons as the Jedi, their psychological profile is quite different. While the Jedi are known for being calm, patient, disciplined and selfless, most Sith are brash, arrogant, volatile and selfish. As such, to exploit their psychological weaknesses and undermine their connection to the Force, you will need to take a different approach.” “What do you suggest?” “Answer: Use their selfishness and arrogance against them. Example: Taunt them into reckless actions, or bait them with something they value. Many Sith will expose themselves or even turn on their allies to mend a bruised ego or claim a great prize. Silly Sith. That is why the Sith Order has risen and collapsed numerous times, but the Republic and Jedi have survived largely intact for many centuries.” “How many times have the Sith been defeated?” “Answer: It is difficult to say, Master. The various conflicts between Jedi and Sith date back to the earliest years in the Republic’s recorded history, and I suspect they date back even further than that. Many of the same factors led to the Sith’s downfall each time.” “What factors?” “Answer: Many core tenets of the Sith Code, such as selfishness, treachery and deceit, are rarely strengths when it comes to governing an empire. Many Sith Lords spent almost as much time fighting and plotting against each other rather than the Jedi or Republic, and many squandered vast amounts of resources on personal endeavors that did little to serve the empire as a whole. Loyal soldiers would often find themselves caught up in the power struggles of their Sith commanders and be slaughtered by their own brothers in arms; eventually, the empire found it difficult to recoup the key battles lost and mounting casualties incurred by this infighting. Assessment: This infighting, combined with the constant warring with the Republic, invariably led to the Sith Empire’s collapse again and again. One wonders what havoc the Sith might wreak if they ever stopped betraying one another.” “Any more techniques for killing Sith?” “Statement: The Sith seem to lack the same degree of foresight as the Jedi. While they can sometimes still sense incoming danger, it appears less reliable and effective than the Jedi’s foresight. Therefore, planned incidents can often prove far more effective against Sith than Jedi. Extrapolation: Perhaps the technique requires some level of discipline that most Sith lack, or perhaps the Sith are simply more inclined to throw caution to the wind and face danger head-on. Cautionary: However, what they lack in foresight, the Sith make up for with resilience. One must take care to ensure that they are truly dead.” “What do you mean?” “Answer: Many theorists claim that pain allows Sith to strengthen their connection to the Force, and I do not know if that is true, but they seem to possess a remarkable ability to endure even the most grievous injuries and press on. Statement: Like swamp-kivers, they can seemingly refuse to die in spite of all logic, getting right back up no matter how many times you knock them down. They are stubborn little beasts.” “What do you suggest for that?” “Answer: Much like the Jedi, the most effective weapon against the Sith is the erosion of the spirit. If a Sith is determined not to die, then one must erode that determination by other means. Elaboration: Effective methods to erode a Sith’s spirit include guilt, regret, and hope. Make the Sith reflect on all they have done and question if it was worth it. Make them question if their chaotic, miserable existence, full of paranoia and pain, is truly worth living. Then from there, all that is required is shattering the illusion that there is no other way, and offering a way out. Call it ‘redemption’ if you like. And from there, even a blaster pistol would be more than enough to put the sorry meatbag out of his misery.”

[@dalekrenegade2596]

Hot damn this is good.👍

[@dragonslair951167]

@@dalekrenegade2596 Well, thanks. I just thought it would be interesting to contrast the Jedi's weaknesses with the Sith's.

[@ruthless3253]

If this were on Reddit it would get thousands of upvotes.

[@daphilakadong9914]

The last part would be very effective on Vader

[@mattsource]

@@daphilakadong9914 In fact that's how you finish off Darth Sion in the very same game a bit later on.

[@respectthekick07]

"Statement: Overwhelming odds is also a good tactic, master. There are few Jedi that can long hold their ground against a hundred attackers all firing at once... or being turned on by their own troops." I just love how he foreshadows Order 66 right there! And this game came out before the Revenge of the Sith movie too!

[@casacara]

whoa really?

[@Siegberg91]

Nice to know but i think Most people knew after attack of clones that they would backstab the jedi

[@armorfrogentertainment]

@@Siegberg91 LucasArts possibly gave Obsidian some information about Revenge of the Sith beforehand.

[@ianmaluk1]

That's because George Lucas told a few writers who were writing the EU material how the Jedi Purge occurred, including Drew Karpyshyn and Chris Avellone.

[@compmanio36]

Well, the movies were originally books, yes? So the plot for the prequels was already written down but just not put into movie form yet. It's not like the story of Skywalker and the Jedi wasn't already written by the time this game came out...

[@DraculaCronqvist]

"Those annoying pseudo-pacifists" - That describes Jedi perfectly.

[@Melanrick]

Yea! lol

[@nukacola2809]

I died laughing the first time I heard him say that when I played, dear lord this game is so much better than KOTOR; bugs and all.

[@touchingisjustthefirststep]

@@MandalorianProtector No it's not it has a better story and dialogue system than the first one.

[@pl3bx]

@@touchingisjustthefirststep KOTOR 1 is a more traditional fairy-tale star wars game more akin to the movies, the second is Obsidian's spin off on it, which made the world darker and more realistic. Both games are classics

[@touchingisjustthefirststep]

@@JumboCod91 "Kotor 2 on the other hand is a complete deconstruction of the source material " how do you mean this when both are part of legends.

[@aliri_]

So basically: Be impulsive Be not force sensitive (recommended) Use mines/ explosives Try gases Stay hidden Take hostages Wear Energy shields Undermine their trust Don’t use blasters( unless your in a huge firing squad or hiding)

[@MrTohawk]

I know it's been 2 years but you forgot: be horny

[@YukitoOnline]

Corrections: Wear "Military Grade" Energy Shields Don't use Blaster "Pistols"

[@TerminatorGundam300]

And don’t use blaster pistol unless you’re a Mandalorian

[@neerGdyahS]

@@YukitoOnline No No, avoid using blasters but using a blaster pistol is the worst example of stupid.

[@TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA]

Yes blasters are useless you want a kinetic weapon a slug thrower= a gun as lightsabers can't deflect them and bullets travel faster than blaster bolts making it harder to detect,dodge/deflect plus a saber strike doesn't negate their deadliness all it does is turn a single bullet into basically a molten shotgun blast that will seriously wound them any follow up attack will quickly finish them off

[@HyperboreanJihad]

“Crude mandalorian melee shields” *Angry mando noises*

[@leeviheiskanen1271]

Well he has a point, against Jedi those shields are useless

[@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy]

Lmao

[@-kingofsaiyannappa-9057]

Wondering if lightsabers can cut beskars~~~

[@howardman3926]

@@leeviheiskanen1271 The Mandalorians we're very good at hunting the Jedi regardless

[@Ashoka...232]

@-BadPapaNappa- depends on the canon you role with. Beskar in old canon is lightsaber resistant not enough to stop it on its own but enough to slow a Jedi down. The shields HK-47 is referencing are energy shields which the Mandalorians sucked at making in old canon. As for Disney I’m not sure they’ve covered that.

[@eldandnyis3572]

HD remakes of the KOTOR games would be the best thing since sliced bread.

[@GamePhysics]

+Eldand Ny'is You saying that because you want it or is it actually happening?

[@jadedflames]

+GamePhysics I don't think it's happening, but anyone with a brain would want it.

[@eldandnyis3572]

+GamePhysics There are some recent rumors that it could be happening. but nothing has been confirmed or announced.

[@GamePhysics]

Aha, this video made me interested in the game because of all that delicious and funny dialogue, so if I were to play them I'd wait for an HD remake if it was confirmed.

[@Sonbo0525]

+Eldand Ny'is Well, there are remodels of weapons and also complete retextures of planets and effects. That's the closest thing we've got right now.

[@imstupid880]

"...would need to be a human being" It's amazing how well it works that Jedi just don't feel that human when explained that way. The assassins part too.

[@Mediados]

Jedi block out their strongest emotions, which are what make us human after all. Being calm and collected all the time feels very unnatural.

[@Sadeness99]

I wish star wars had a unique term for the word Human George could have made, since it takes place in the past assuming earth does not exist yet. Might sound weird but everytime I hear the word human in the movies or games i cringe/get upset lol since it bothers me

[@deathmerchantto]

You picked a perfect place to to talk to HK-47, really makes the dialogue all the better with the thunderstorm going off.

[@shadowscall7758]

My favorite moment in regards to random weather during a conversation was during Two Worlds and right as I started a very serious conversation full of revelations, a thunder storm started. I love it when random stuff like that gets together.

[@RC15O5]

@@shadowscall7758 That there reminds me of a campaign in Medieval II: Total War, where as the HRE my lead general and his big army betrayed me and became a rebel, had to put him down. The battle was fought in the Italians alps, and the sky was a very rare blood red cloudy dawn, the red from the dawn going off the snow as the Emperor promised retribution for the treachery. Very atmospheric and is forever burned into my mind.

[@MegaZeta]

In _Fallout 4,_ Cait got friendly enough to lay her downer backstory on me just as a radiation storm rolled in from the Glowing Sea. We huddled in a garage in our hazard suits as she told it, green lightning flashing, thunder rumbling.

[@boxtank5288]

@@MegaZeta That feels like such a movie moment, its great.

[@crimsondynamo615]

“What! Huh!”

[@randombencounter263]

In a way, having HK in your party is kind of like having Revan him/herself tag along with you, since everything HK knows was programmed into him by Revan. And he isn't cryptic about everything like *some* party members I could mention.

[@Vating4498]

Ben Kielar We're definitely not staring at Kreia right now.

[@ericrollin2331]

Vating That's okay, she's probably staring at you instead.

[@Vating4498]

Eric Rollin Probably...

[@Lalle524]

*jumps to the Ebon Hawk* "ohh yes, i am watching you all the way"

[@benpooler5965]

+Ben Kielar He's probably the most straightforward character in the game. Even the freaking Astromech droid is keeping secrets from you.

[@Necron1999]

That moment when two static figures holding a conversation in a 17 year old game is infinitely more engaging than the entirety of the Disney sequel trilogy.

[@Ale-dd3ek]

Agree But these dialogs are above to prequels too

[@chrisschirripa5917]

Oh Absolutely. In fact it be the best written SW story. Period

[@harrymcdougall7923]

@@chrisschirripa5917 without a doubt, sad to think we might not get something as good ever again, makes me appreciate it that much more

[@wolfspider2034]

@@Ale-dd3ek yeah but ya gotta admit the prequels beat just about everything else Star Wars when it comes to action

[@crimsonlanceman7882]

this is cause the creator of this had the freedom to do an interesting dialogue, meanwhile people who make sequels and big series have to abide to rules given to them by some dumbass executive or an arrogant director with no real talent or vision except doing what is popular.

[@archsteel7]

People talking about how cool the nod to order 66 is, when they're totally missing how amazing the line "The master thought it was ironic that only people who had experienced such passions could harm jedi in such a way. -- That to kill Jedi, you had to have been human being." What an absolute gem this one line is... Not only does it provide a case for any non-force-user ever being able to go toe-to-toe with a Jedi or Sith, but it also highlights the main problems with both orders. For both of them, to fully "perfect" the connection to the darkside or the lightside, you're required to give up your humanity.

[@EyesArePlanets]

I don't like the line at all because 'human being' refers to *us* specifically and not the plethora of other races in the galaxy, each with their different cultures and behaviours. It's actually / cheap writing in this case, as they obviously decided it was too much trouble to classify 'humanity' in some other way.

[@archsteel7]

@@EyesArePlanets Semantics. It's because if they were to say "A living sentient being" it would have been way too wordy and ruined the flow of the sentence.

[@Redbird-dh7mu]

Yeah, it was smart to do that, if Jedi see it coming, then they can prepare for the attack. However, if you just cloud your mind full of emotions that are not strange at all, a Jedi won’t be able to see that you are actually trying to kill them until it is too late. Atton killed plenty before using this

[@EyesArePlanets]

@@archsteel7 Semantics are important when building a universe, and we're discussing the 'rules' of a universe here, how to kill a jedi. I personally think it's more than semantics though - the KOTOR games themselves showed plenty of beings that were traditionally non-emotive by nature. Are they incapable of becoming jedi, in that case, as they have no emotions to 'master'? That is the implication of the sentence you highlighted. That becoming a jedi means losing something specifically *human* in the Star Wars universe, when part of the joy of Star Wars is that humans are just a small fraction of it.

[@grayscribe1342]

@@EyesArePlanets In Science Fiction and Fantasy you sometimes have to choose. Mostly between the 100% semantically and scientific correct wording and what your audience understands. If your audience does not understand what is happening you don't have an audience and therefore no income. As well as KOTOR was, it was a product of it's time. With a growing audience the number of people who understand what a sentient being is has grown. I have also noticed, that more and more people take things more literally than we have 20 or 30 years ago. These things do change and I'm not judging this one way or the other. It simply is. But if you want to look at something from the past, you have to realize this and include it before commenting on it. I remember a superhero comic that shows this very well. A young student has grown up with the stories of his grandfather being a superhero. One day he decides to take up the mantle, something his father never did. The problem was he did not realize how the meaning of a word has changed, which became a little problem for the... Gay Avenger

[@117Jorn]

This video proves two things: 1. HK-47 saw Order 66 before it even HAPPENED. 2. Revan was the ultimate tactician, knowing full and well how to not only defeat Jedi, but to also convert them.

[@DeusExMachina10001]

Well, Revan kinda cheated with regard to converting most of them. Placing a Jedi in close proximity to a Force Wound like Malachor V makes turning them much easier, and Revan did that with many of his converts.

[@MW-tv2xj]

How is he not considered the greatest Jedi Evah? He brought balance to the force a lot of years before Vader did. He can destroy any Jedi ever, I don't care what they say test my Revan!

[@vadandrumist1670]

All hail Revan!

[@Roflcopter4b]

Order 66? Never heard of it. There is only one Star Wars trilogy and I don't remember any such a thing as Order 66 happening in it.

[@starwarsnerd100]

Roflcopter4b Oh boo hoo something actually cool happened in a prequel movie, but I'm not gonna acknowledge it because prequel

[@DCdabest]

I love how in this game following through on an interesting dialogue actually rewards you with a stat increase and a mechanical advantage to symbolise your characters growth. That's really cool game design.

[@PeterDivine]

It's happened a couple of times in other RPG games, though it's deliberately rare for obvious reasons. I remember there was this one Brotherhood of Steel lesson you could listen through in the original Fallout that gave you, like, ten skillpoints in melee combat.

[@Jaxymann]

Because nowadays, role playing game design is all about “Complete a hundred forgetful & pointless side quests, climb the radio towers/outposts/observation decks/whatever you fucking call them to reveal more of the map & collect things in the world for the sake of it, as if the act of acquisition is substitute for meaningful, engaging gameplay”.

[@marcjansson1039]

"In addition to traps, mines, and orbital bombardment.." *Faith in the God holy Emperor intensifies*

[@AngelCakes1997]

Armour yourself with contempt, lest the Psyker take advantage of your sympathies.

[@imperialguardsman521]

Did someone call me?

[@wilmagregg3131]

@@imperialguardsman521 which side of the force would you use i assume light because detchment from emotions and embracing order is the biggest middle to choas but dark side powers are more like pyskers

[@NGorso1]

@@wilmagregg3131 I ass-ume fighting for the empire of men has to be done for them thicc Battle Sisters!

[@souler__]

Exterminatus, the only way to be sure.

[@tgr3423]

8:19 Just take a moment to look at this. I mean *really* look at it. Do you see it? You just got rewarded 3 things for simply engaging in dialogue. Technically 4 if you count learning lore as its own reward. I have not played an RPG since Dragon Age: Origins that rewarded you for actually roleplaying. This is a lost and dying art in the video game industry, as the medium becomes more and more focused on net profit over artistic values.

[@br9760]

I need to play these games ASAP....

[@br9760]

@@tomkat492 I DO have EA Access. I'll look into it.

[@TehAnimationSparxx]

Dragon age is a great series

[@slowmonet]

Not "just" engaging in dialogue, though. To unlock these rewards, you need to go fairly deep into dark side and spend a fair amount of time talking and making decisions HK-47 thinks "favorable". Still, a fair reward for such an investment.

[@eltsoldier]

I agree SO much, here. I haven't even played this game yet, so all of this is new to me, but already its focus on roleplaying and dialogue seriously impresses me.

[@n0denz]

Addendum: Ballistic weapons such as slug throwers, while primitive, are particularly useful at countering a Jedi's lightsaber. While the tightly condensed plasma of blaster shots is redirected by the lightsaber's own energy field, a ballistic projectile of sufficient mass will melt and pass through the blade. Sustained firepower of this sort will result in a torrent of molten metal that will inevitably prove lethal. In essence, the Jedi's greatest defense against conventional weaponry becomes their greatest liability. Reflection: It's curious that such an ancient weapon should prove so effective against Jedi, but then again, the lightsaber too is a weapon of antiquity. Perhaps ancient problems require ancient solutions.

[@EarFarce4]

Amendment: Jedi are capable of countering using their 'other' abilities. Use with caution. Just played through Jedi Outcast and Academy again. Jedi can not only block bolts with the saber they can actively redirect them.

[@dallarian8687]

Awesome comment mate!

[@Mortablunt]

Some guy on r/asksciencefiction did the math, bullets go so fast that they'd actually just pass right through a lightsaber and hit full force.

[@ramarblood7697]

If a Jedi expects it though then they could just use the force to block a bullet.

[@RexMK-]

@@ramarblood7697 What about a hail of bullets shot by an SMG or a Gattling Gun, as HK stated, overwhelming odds is cleary effective against Jedi, with so many projectiles fired at such high speed, eventually it would be too much for simply try to block

[@HexPLAYSPlus]

Such well written and fantastic dialouge in this game. HK-47 is one of my favorite characters ever, and Obsidian nailed him in this game.

[@IceLizardsUnited]

You probably hate TOR as much as I do then.

[@HexPLAYSPlus]

***** I despise it.

[@bereczkymate3239]

+Hex PLAYS do the next filthy frank lore vid Hex!

[@bereczkymate3239]

+Hex PLAYS do the next filthy frank lore vid Hex!

[@TheKingofbrooklin]

+Hex PLAYS When there is a Kotor 3 then Obsidian should do it. Biowares charcters are always too black and white written

[@DeciVonW]

This game was so fucking Amazing. The level of Lore you get from conversations like this is absolutely staggering. Fantastic Writing.

[@jdawgbiggums7683]

DeciVonW Considering that these are the same devs that worked on Planescape Torment, Fallout 1 & 2, and Icewind Dale 1 &2 it's not very surprising.

[@HolyknightVader999]

+DeciVonW Obsidian was forced to read every piece of SW EU before making the game.

[@coreywilson3493]

@@HolyknightVader999 Not forced to, no. The lead designers were all long-time Star Wars fans who were deeply engrossed and infatuated with the lore to begin with. I guess from a certain point of view, you could say they were forced to, but not by anyone but themselves and their own innate desire to learn more about this fascinating galaxy far, far away.

[@coreywilson3493]

@Germanic Fire You're not wrong, but there are a few who remain that still have the passion to make games that are worth a damn.

[@Vynirian]

Now imagine if they actually had the opportunity to finish it.

[@WealthBeyondMeasure]

The best thing about this dialogue is that it really is teaching you how to kill force users. Everything he says about instilling doubt and exploiting force bonds hints at the things you can do to weaken both Nihilus and Sion in their encounters.

[@papapalps2415]

Well, no, because Sith, unlike Jedi, have zero reason not to vigorously abuse the Force for fun and profit. Any engagement between one and a muggle begins and ends the moment the Sith gets bored and snaps the muggles neck.

[@Echani3007]

@@papapalps2415ith we’re largely identified as Jedi at the time. Its likely HK is making generalisations but even then for Sith HK still isn’t far off. Arrogance, Hope, base emotions, all things that can still kill a Sith and Jedi alike.

[@papapalps2415]

@@Echani3007 "(s)ith were largely identified as jedi at the time...." ...What? No, they weren't, lul. What the fuck does this even mean? Or are you referring to the general masses and muggles general perception at the time? And if so, why...why are you bringing it up as if it's even the slightest bit relevant what normies think? It doesn't at all fundamentally change the fact that Dark Side users vs muggle fights are exceedingly, shockingly rare in SW as an IP, even over its long, long history, for a reason (and on the ocassions we do tend to see it, it doesn't end well for the muggles); even the most braindead authors or such are (usually) capable of recognizing that there's no real viable way to have a fair fight between a normie (well, 99% of such, anyhow) and somebody that can kill them with a gesture. Jedi won't crush you into a ball of bloody meat for fun; Sith can and will. Like I said; any such 'fight' (bar unusual circumstances or context) between even fodder Dark Siders and a muggle begins and ends the moment they get bored and neck snap.

[@Echani3007]

@@papapalps2415 Wow. For starters your comment may of gotten deleted by KZbin, and though KZbin censor everything it might just be a symptom of your standoff-ish demeanour or bizzare language. Is SW is this personal to you? Back to the matter. In the days of the Old Republic, it’s common for non force users or non historians to call the Sith - Jedi or dark Jedi. For them it was just to sides of the same coin, an impression which did not help the actual Jedi during the Jedi civil war. It’s even in the name of the war. *Jedi Civil War* It’s merely just Jedi vs Sith but people just call them both Jedi anyways, light or dark. Those bombed by Revan and Malak would always use this generalisation not only for offense of Jedi but because of ignorance or indifference. Sith we’re more widely identified as an Empire, not a creed or clan. Kreia also mentions this. Not saying your wrong, dark siders are usually pragmatic and ruthless but they are still victims of their own code - like the Jedi, which is the point HK was trying to make. All force users are arrogant but Sith in particular are more stubborn because they think they are so powerful, even fighting with one hand as a boast. This is why Sidious wasn’t interested in lightsabers. Sith also tend to have existential crises when they lose faith in their tenets as seen in game or other SW media - just like Jedi. We always see Sith play with their food, and paying for it dearly. Maul & Sidious being infamous examples of carelessness leading to their death. There are many other vectors used to kill force users, not to mention Sith also are capable of reading minds and I don’t need to go more into explanation as to why this makes Sith vulnerable too - HK says it perfectly. Mentally defeat them, or even distract them with bizarre or contradicting thoughts and strike when they’ve lost sense of your true intentions or no longer want to search your dirty, disgusting mind. You can’t kill someone with a single gesture when you can’t see them in the first place. What if they are concealed? Too far away?? Once again HK mentions this, and Atton alludes to such practices. The point of this video is to actually prove how powerful these people are! But also how their gifts are their curses. Make no mistake Revan couldn’t of fought the civil war without force sensitives. In fact you didn’t contradict any statement I made or any HK-47 made. All you said was essentially, killing Sith is super unlikely because Sith are so powerful and pragmatic. HK doesn’t disagree with you but calling it impossible is far reaching. As long as you are force sensitive your biggest strength can be made a flaw because you’re so dependent on it. As long as you dedicated your life to a certain set of codes you rely so heavily on, breaking your belief that you’re so dependent on can be made a flaw. This is partly why Kreia emphasised The Exile needs to not just be proficient in one set of skills but several, because force users are so reliant on it and pay for it dearly.

[@papapalps2415]

@@Echani3007 "Wow. For starters your comment may of gotten deleted by KZbin..." Oh? How so? And if so, it'd be a shadow ban. Which isn't surprising, because, y'know, KZbin is run by and for children nowadays. "Is SW this personal for you?" Do you really think me scoffing at you for not realizing the fundamental reality of something as simple as 'a fight between somebody that can kill you instantly and a normal dude is no fight at all' is for any other reason than you being silly? "...back in the days of the Old Republic, its common for non force users or non historians to call the Sith - Jedi or dark Jedi..." In the KOTOR period, specifically. This is empathetically not the case in other eras, including the MMO's time frame. "All force users are arrogant.." ....What? "...even fighting with one hand as a boast..." ....What? "This is why Sidious wasn't interested in lightsabers..." That isn't a matter of arrogance, lul. Its not something he found interesting or overly enjoyed as a sport, and also simply because the Force is, objectively, superior. "We always see Sith play with their food, and pay for it dearly..." Absolute garbage. We see particularly powerful or notable Sith sometimes become cocky and sometimes lose because of their opponents getting spectacularly lucky and/or pulling a Hail Mary. Trying to pretend like as if this some universal, constant trait all Sith exhibit constantly is beyond silly. "Maul and Sidious being infamous examples of carelessness leading to their deaths..." Wow, that's neat. So how does this relate to Sith being perfectly willing and capable of just instantly killing any non-Force user with a stray thought? "Mentally defeat them, or even distract them with...(snip)" Wow, that's cool. So how does this help a non-Force user defend against their hearts being ripped from their chests or having their brains turned to mush or being simply choked to death by Random Sith #70931? The problem you seem to be having is that you think advice that applies to Jedi, with all their moral limiters and various qualms and so on, is even vaguely supposed to be useful against somebody that can and will rip your nervous system out of your body and choke you with it with a gesture. These are two very, very different opponents. "What if they are concealed? Too far away??" What if the guy has a pocket nuke dead man's switch? What if the muggle is actually Kal-El of Krypton? What if the Sith has a random, spontaneous heart attack? What if...? No, really though, stop. You can introduce virtually any number of variables, but bar the deck being exceedingly stacked in the muggles favour to a hysterical degree, it makes rather little difference in the outcome. The moment the Sith has an idea of where they even are, nevermind visual sight, its over. "...but impossible is far reaching.. " I'm not saying it's impossible. It obviously is. We do have some examples (though usually with liberal context) of normals beating Sith. But it isnt exactly far off of impossible, either, again bar ridiculous levels of deck stacking. "As long as you dedicated your life to a certain set of codes you rely so heavily on, you...(snip)" Ew, Traya fanboy.

[@isawaryokage]

man this game was well written

[@zerlichr426]

Fun fact Kothr 2 was rushed acually. It's sad that Bioware can do rushed game with well written character and decate later can't make any games at all

[@Eramidas]

@@zerlichr426 Bioware or obsidian?

[@MenaceMeister]

Alex Grant obsidian

[@zerlichr426]

@@MenaceMeister yeah sorry. they had like 1.5 year or something crazy like that to do this game.

[@majik5194]

@@zerlichr426 I swear Obsidian is always rushed 😂

[@patrickcusack5262]

holy crap. This was what Kreia wanted to know the entire time. When you meet the masters in the light side ending they tell you what HK said and Kreia says she finally understands. Ha, leave it to the killing machine to know the answer before the jedi masters.

[@merikariu]

Driods are highly effective at facilitating communication. A mind that exists over several decades if not hundreds of years is a valuable source of knowledge. I wonder if Artificial Intelligences will become our new history keepers... or our meatbag-terminating HK-47s.

[@Abdega]

Michael Perkola I’m now imagining a droid that is now a librarian who used to be a murderbot a hundred years ago

[@JJoh4040]

@@Abdega what did the Jedi quote that HK47 told the Exile?

[@TheInsomniaddict]

@@Abdega To paraphrase: What is better, to be created good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?

[@AA-jp9cj]

@@TheInsomniaddict Drem yol ok Wunduunik

[@Zephyr7771]

"one would need to be a human being to develop such connections" Amazing, subtle characterization of Revan here. In such a short line, HK-47 indirectly manages to explain not only Revan's mentality for recruiting troops to join his cause against the true Sith, but also his rationale for coping with killing people that would have realistically been his friends not too long before he defected from the Order. It shows how far he's willing to go to save his galaxy, and just how far he's fallen from grace in the eyes of his peers. All that in ONE line. God DAMN, why couldn't we get this level of writing out of Disney or Lucas?

[@ionlymadethistoleavecoment1723]

I love how HK basically outlines that the Jedi have a weakness in that they are stoics, are susceptible to being shot by their own troops, and compromise their morals when faced with the difficulties of war. All things that are at least implied to happen during the clone wars.

[@JohnSmith-wx9wj]

I respect stoics and think they have important lessons. Still, there is a reason why hardly any modern stoic philosophers exist now. It can only take you so far.

[@lachlanaugello6548]

I thought the point was that they DON'T abandon their morals, and that exploiting their ceaseless desire to follow their code, even if it puts them in immense danger, was the key.

[@wei270]

@@lachlanaugello6548 yes it was the key but the key in that message is that one should not follow such path. at least it is what geoge lucias is trying to send

[@floppydisksareop]

@@lachlanaugello6548 There are two types of Jedi: 1. those whose weakness is abandoning their morals and as such they fall to the dark side or can be easily converted to Revan's philosophy 2. those that don't and as such can be killed by exploiting their code If you need a very dogmatic, but highly vague and contradictory code to dictate your steps, you are doing it wrong. The Jedi code forbids attachments, because they impair judgement. Yet, at the same time, the Jedi code compels the follower to abandon every good sense to rush to the aid of people then and there, despite the fact that in the long run that is more often than not idiotic, and thus the code itself impairs judgment. The Jedi Code is probably the weirdest thing to exist in sci-fi, because it is used by essentially demigods that play peacekeepers while demanding a full lack of emotions and attachments, things that are wholly incompatible, and failing to follow it turns the follower into a lunatic lots of times (Jolee is the only real counter-example I can think of, and evdn then not truly). The only thing that surprises me is how most Jedi didn't fall to the dark side almost immediately after they've completed their training...

[@boxtank5288]

@@floppydisksareop Right!? Hell, when you are taught such compassion and yet are forced to sit there while the galaxy burns? How ELSE would a Jedi respond!?

[@eleosparakhaous]

HK-47: "Statement: [Revan] felt it was ironic that only people who had experienced such passions could harm Jedi in such a way - that to kill Jedi, you had to be a human being." Sith Inquisitor: "Everyone has weaknesses, but especially Jedi."

[@invasion8318]

i remember that quote :)

[@wardeni9603]

"That's no way to greet an associate, Arkous, you should be nice and close, so I could hold out my hand ...and _strangle_ you with it" -Darth Nox

[@occultcenturion1131]

God the SI is such a badass.

[@Valarius_J]

What is this? A good game with hours of nothing but dialogue and several different response options not confined to a Saint, Apathetic, or Asshole choice wheel? Watching this again makes me realize just how far the industry has fallen. I don't think there will ever be a game as good as Kotor II again.

[@MrDarkcrap]

SWTOR =/= KORTOR III

[@Valarius_J]

The sad thing is Bioware meant for it to be. They said it was be like "KoTOR 3 to 13" (or something to that effect) before it was launched.

[@uncannytempus5845]

***** The character stories felt like KoTORIII... Especially the Knight story.

[@gibberconfirm166]

Uncanny Tempus Explanation: all the dialogue and storytelling were shoehorned into anonymous random questgivers in SWTOR, totally destroyed organic character-based narrative immersion. There were unique stories, but the story was so diffused it was shit.

[@SunGhostify]

Dragon Age Origins, maybe?

[@DawnApon]

1. [This video has given you a greater understanding of the Mandalorian Wars - and the Jedi, resulting in an experience bonus, a Wisdom bonus, and a Force point bonus.]

[@viktorvaughndum]

I love the references in this game. "... or being turned on by their own troops" Order 66 much? Or when Atton says "Are you an angel? Just kidding. That's probably the worst line I've ever used. I just hope some poor kid won't use it in the future." Wow. Much reference. Very Anakin.

[@davidvillarrius6313]

Lucius6 This came out before Revenge of the Sith.... So weird.

[@nadrewod999]

@@davidvillarrius6313 Not really: George Lucas did tell some EU writers about how the Jedi Purge happened BEFORE Revenge of the Sith came out, resulting in some EU media coming out before RotS describing the destruction of the Jedi before we officially saw it on screen. You know, back when Star Wars actually had competent leaders and good writers...

[@nickmalachai2227]

@@nadrewod999 I do not associate the prequels with good leadership. Nostalgia just makes us think they were better than they really are to make us feel better about not liking the current movies.

[@nickmalachai2227]

@Viktor Samoja since there's no such thing as objective film study, let's agree to disagree on the quality of the prequels in comparison to other movies. Personally, though, I've found a consistent trend that Star Wars fans are always hostile to new content up until there's more new content to hate more. The prequels got more hate than they deserved (I may not have liked them, but Jesus Christ), the Clone Wars cartoon and the Disney Canon/Legends divide got more hate than reasonable, the sequels were/are hated more than they deserved, etc. Just wait, there's going to come a day when new content will come out and fans will go "I miss when the Rey Trilogy came out, this new content is horrible!"

[@nataliealphonse4634]

@@nickmalachai2227 i will literally eat my own shoe if any actual fan of star wars says those words

[@KingOpenReview]

No one: KZbin: I heard you wanna learn how to kill jedi.

[@D.Dragon]

It could be a threat or a warning.

[@breakfast6159]

Phesheya Bhembe it’s the aftermath of the last Jedi

[@fernando47180]

Well no, but actually, yes

[@TheSchmuck2]

If we know how Jedi can be killed, we can shore up vulnerabilities.

[@MegaZeta]

Millions of people: I’m going to search for videos using the phrase “_____ killed Star Wars”. KZbin algorithm: You must mean instructions to murder Jedi, right?

[@Kalev225]

The "Mind hiding technique" is exactly the tactics the clone jedi hunting squads used in the Republic/Imperial commando novels. Hide intention with anger towards nothing, or grab thier attention suddenly with a threatening thought to distract them.

[@oldspice051]

The Revenge of the Sith novelization mentioned something similar. It said many of the Jedi couldn’t sense the clones’ incoming betrayal, because the clones didn’t feel any anger or malice toward them. They were just carrying out orders.

[@divinehatred6021]

@@oldspice051 i mean, they were genetically designed for the purposes... they were like meat robots in a way.

[@PhantomSavage]

This is honestly one of the best written contributions to the entire Star Wars universe, let alone one of the best written video games ever made. Think about how much is here that was either missing or didn't exist yet in the actual Star Wars cinematic universe. - A badass assassin/soldier Droid. - The idea of a non-jedi character consistently being able to kill Jedi. - Mandalorians. - "Killed with overwhelming numbers or turned on by their own troops" before Revenge of the Sith came out or Order 66 ocurred. - Vibroblades And the list goes on. Not to mention just some staggeringly good perspective on Jedi vs The Sith. "Revan found it amusing that in order to kill Jedi, you had to be a human being" is hauntingly good.

[@Dmitrisnikioff]

A bunch of these originated in the comics actually, with the small caveat that no-one really read them (I certainly didn't)

[@AthCom]

As for point 1, well there was IG-88 in Empire, but I suppose he didn't do much in the films.

[@bobschnucklepoo]

@@AthCom yeh he kinda just stood there and looked cool

[@LucyWest370]

1. IG-88, B1 battle droids. 2. Boba Fett. 3. Boba and Jango Fett. And vibroblades were included in Star Wars the clone wars. Despite the fact that they were already in the lore, these games definitely expanded on the lore a lot and is one of a kind.

[@muttproductions2536]

@@LucyWest370 one, Boba Fett was technically a clone of Jango that he wanted to raise as his "son". Two, Jango, as far as anyone knows, was a foundling, and although we had the infamous Mandalorian Field Marshal Cassus Fett during the era of the Old Republic and the Mandalorian Wars, it's been over 3000 years between the Field Marshal and the bounty hunters that would continue the infamous Fett legacy

[@leslieoliverii8008]

i personally think hk would be insulted by the caliber of droids in the clone war era. as hk stated killing jedi knights was rather pheaseable to him and considering a knight from the old republic is easily more respectively skilled than your average master from the clone wars hk would have been a VERY hot commodity.

[@richardched6085]

In 3000 BBY or so the Galaxy entered a Dark Age where many things were forgotten due to the continual Destructive Conflict between the Sith and the Jedi that started in the 3600s BBY Range (Technology, History, Things regarded as "Legends"). The Modern (19 BBY) Galaxy only really knew everything that happened after 1000 BBY When the Galactic Republic was Created from the ashes of the "Old Republic". This is why the Jedi never seem to notice that they are making the same mistakes as their ancestors. Or that Imperial Design is reminiscent of Sith Designs. Palpatine however knew much of ancient history and used that knowledge to accelerate his Master plan. the Malachor seen in Rebels is not Malachor V (But its in the same system) and sometime between KOTOR and 1000 BBY a Female Sith used a Giant Kyber Crystal to Construct a Super Weapon. Using the Dark Energies that existed since the time of Revan this Female Sith was almost successful in wiping out every life form in the Galaxy. The Jedi Sent Hundreds of their Order to Destroy the Weapon. Unfortunately the Sith Fired the Weapon prematurely Causing a Massive Explosion that Petrified the Jedi and the Sith. Leaving no indication that the Battle had been won or lost. Yoda seemed to know a Bit about Malachor as he sent Kanan, Ahsoka and Ezra there. I know KOTOR isn't Canon but it very well could Be. :)

[@oceanbytez847]

Leslie Oliver II HK would have ended the war if he were developed to his full glory in mass. One HK could easy slay clone era knights and potentially masters(though a master poses the random posibility of survival or victory. circumstance is important.) However HK could easily put down a small army of droids or clones and several HK's in a team would be invulnerable to direct assault from clone era troops.

[@leslieoliverii8008]

Alex V4 especially if he had that Vesker (mandalorian iron) plating! At that point fuck anything short of a heavy disruptor or a lightsaber assault of attrition.

[@oceanbytez847]

Kevin Horstmann i wouldnt be so sure. i honestly believe all the comics, books, games, and movies tie together minus a few exceptions. In this way the story is pieced together by groups of people to develop possible historical time lines.

[@leslieoliverii8008]

Alex V4 perhaps but I personally think the technical and martial as well as sorcery areas of star wars regressed after the roussan reformation started. Still you're definitely right about the tie in.

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

"How to kill Jedi and other unusually difficult meatbags: A begginer's guide" By HK47.

[@Kennedy_beats]

statement, meat bag you were you made an interesting comment question how do you kill a Jedi sell them to Disney?😂

[@Corristo89]

So area effect weapons would work best: Mines, gas, fire, explosions, shrapnel. Revan was so effective because he knew the Jedi and thought outside their limiting code of morality. Forcing the master to drop his defense so to defend his/her Padawan by attacking said Padawan is a cruel but effective tactic, essentially turning the shield against itself.

[@Blayze]

Reminds me of how the cybrid fought the humans in Starsiege's lore, sending their mechs out with human babies strapped to the outside as crying armour.

[@ironstorm1690]

@@Blayze I think I remember a species in Timothy Zhan's novel: Outbound Flight that used ships with people in little bubbles on the outer hull for the same purpose.

[@masonrandle4662]

Fucking fantastic dialogue. Holy fucking hell I loved this game.

[@jakeestus2855]

It gets confusing you fuckboidog

[@dragonslair951167]

I like how you can see examples in the movies of almost everything HK-47 is talking about. In Attack of the Clones, Anakin and Obi-Wan sensed a premeditated attack on Padme a few seconds before it happened, but impulsive acts succeeded in catching them (And other Jedi) off guard many times. When Dooku placed Yoda's allies in jeopardy, Yoda was forced to break off the fight with him. And battlefield conditions drove many Jedi (Anakin most prominently) to turn against the Jedi Order during the Clone Wars.

[@BioClone]

Yet metodical plans are supposed to not work fine while Sidious was playing politics...

[@exoticbreadstick8661]

@@BioClone yoda mentioned (in eposide 3 i think) that he felt like there was a plot to exterminate the jedi, but he was blinded by the dark side of the force. Maybe he wrote it off as the seperatists.

[@BioClone]

@@exoticbreadstick8661 yeah I know I feel it has the same unexplained problem daggobah has.. I would like to believe anakins choice was the mayor "interference" in that.. (like how he is the last step for palpatine's plan to work, so maybe that created 2 posible timelines that were blured for the jedi, and they were unable to get details of the event... That would explain yoda reaction when the veil fall (mostly when mace lost his arm)

[@greyklopstock7155]

​@@BioClonesee, I think that's why order 66 was so brilliant. The clones didn't know exactly WHEN order 66 was going to be called in. So they couldn't spill the beans accidentally or give their Jedi anything to predict. All they knew was that if the emperor gave them the order to execute order 66, no matter what they were doing, where they were, or the battle they'd been fighting, they were supposed to turn whatever weapons they had immediately towards the nearest Jedi and open fire. There was no set time, no set location, no set weaponry or tactics predefined for each target that they would have to be wary of. And that's kinda what we saw in revenge of the sith. Jedi were killed in every situation and environment imaginable. On the front lines, adverse conditions, in aerial combat, in urban areas, forests, with standard issue rifles, with carbines, with artillery (or at least they tried with Kenobi). There was never any "wait until master so and so walks to this bench and sits down tomorrow morning, then snipe him from that treeline hundreds of meters away." It also explains how Yoda couldn't predict it. There was no exact plan. There were no details for him to predict that could reveal their intentions. All he could find was that there was SOMETHING, some kill switch that had been put in place that would exterminate the Jedi. But nothing about how it works and when it would happen. Which explains why Yoda went into the field on kashyk, where his soldiers would be made up of not just clones, but wookies who don't take orders from the government. So if the clones did turn on him, Yoda would have allies that he knew wouldn't betray him in the field. And that's what we see happen. When the clones get the order, and they try to sneak up on Yoda, he takes his assailants out and Chewbacca protects him enough for him to escape.

[@BioClone]

@@greyklopstock7155 Still I consider it mostly a "forced plot" at the end of the day... Yoda was able to get "in time" the turned behaviour of his troopers on kashyyk but seems like mostly noone else is able... mace also is unable to get the doubt on anakin while fighting palpatine or Obi is unable to feel anything when finding Jango Fett, the kaminoans or the Clones...(not even when they talked about sifo-dyas) the franchise never elaborated too much the thing or how the force actually works and always exploited it to trick the viewer... where it looks like it may randomly conduct the events.... Not even Vader seems to realize Leia was his daughter on the prequels while on Ep 1 Qui gon is able to feel the force clearly on the young anakin with near zero experience about it.

[@Cybermat47]

“If I see one more idiot attacking a Jedi with a blaster pistol...” >cue montage of Mandalorians killing Jedi with blaster pistols from SWTOR to AotC

[@leeviheiskanen1271]

He said "idiots", mandalorians can get away rather quickly with their jetpacks

[@EMan-1920]

Mandalorians have the rule of cool to back them up.

[@CaptainCoolzCT-]

To HK-47, Mandalorians are still Meatbags. Meatbags wrapped in tin foil, but Meatbags nonetheless.

[@Jacksonthehedgehog9]

@@CaptainCoolzCT- more like meatbags wrapped in anti lightsaber tinfoil. The mandolorians do employ several metals that are effective vs lightsaber. Some cause the weapon to shut off on contact, others can stand up against it no trouble. (i.e the vibroblade. Not a weapon made by mandolorians but key thing is if you got one you can actually use it to block a lightsaber without losing the blade.)

[@briguy459]

@@Jacksonthehedgehog9 several metals...?Conclusion: Heavy Infantry Plot-Armor

[@KneeCapHill]

Immagine spending more than 2 minute in any dialogue with an npc nowadays. Older rpgs just had more soul. You could spend hours just walking around and having lore deepening conversations with people and get sucked into the story

[@The-wo2lq]

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[@anthonygarcia5375]

Shit this was 8:48 minutes long imagine if they focused more on writing Thai is what slot of games are missing

[@awkwardcultism]

Isn't that true of any CRPG, especially the modern ones? Heck, if you want to spend a really long time talking to NPCs, why not read a visual novel, or a book for that matter?

[@skizz0phrenia270]

@@awkwardcultism because it's not a game?

[@sadpee7710]

obsidian still makes games like that you know. they never stopped.

[@MrJedabak]

That Obsidian never got to develop their KOTOR III will always be one of the biggest missed opportunities of all time.

[@Fr0st1989]

5:35 looks like a certain robot is predicting a certain order... maybe :P

[@NameName2.0]

+Fr0st1989 hm... maybe

[@thingymatt3993]

+deus krid superstar well he was still alive at that point

[@TheKingofbrooklin]

+deus krid superstar Maybe HK-47 wrote a book about how to kill Jedi and later Sidious red it xD

[@thingymatt3993]

amanoncrack Really? Fine he is still active in legends.

[@thingymatt3993]

amanoncrack so sad

[@8mark1]

"there are few jedi that can long hold their ground against a hundred attackers all firing at once ... or being turned on by their own troops" HK-47 order 66

[@CaptainCoolzCT-]

And that is why B1s were the primary cause of Jedi deaths in the Clone Wars.

[@FFFan3445]

How to kill the Jedi: sell them to Disney.

[@edmasterson4588]

good, good, facelord. how to kill anything is to sell it disney.

[@Secret_Takodachi]

That's a fate worse than death!

[@Chino56751]

Too late

[@christianfaux736]

You people ever going to stop bitching about this? Or should I just expect these inane comments on every star wars related video for the rest of eternity?

[@FFFan3445]

@@christianfaux736 What do you mean, you people? 😧

[@oscarholloway-downing472]

Anyone else just randomly get recommended this video in 2019?

[@calebschwinghammer9248]

Yup

[@lemeres2478]

Dismissal: No. I was looking for methods for killing meatbags.

[@zakanyimen]

Answer: Yes it did.

[@CapitalMort]

Oscar yep and because of it I just reinstalled KOTOR2.

[@eqsaz]

Hi

[@NameName2.0]

*When you realise your horrific perversion, makes you an ultimate weapon against jedi*

[@Banana_Zach]

OWO

[@lemeres2478]

Hey, who would bother to read your mind when all you have is filled with that twi'lek dancing at the bar?

[@high.fructose7534]

Would a flamethrower work against the jedi? I played swtor as a bounty hunter and I feel that flaming them was pretty effecient

[@joshualittlewolfe8550]

venezuela's inflation rate Definitely. Something that sprays a highly corrosive mist would be useful too. Jedi are overrated.

[@Abdega]

Lemeres Sounds like even *more* reason to read your mind

[@belmontzar]

Its really interesting now with Hindsight listening to HK:47 explain the many methods used to kill off the Jedi in both the Canon and EU stories. In the books the Vong used Orbital strikes to take out a Jedi Temple if I remember right. In further thought its also interesting how HK:47 is also somewhat describing the cause, reasons, and Fall of Anakin Skywalker, when as many commentators have pointed out, this game was made before Revenge of the Sith. I actually started to employ a few of these tactics myself playing Star Wars Battlefront two on the ps4, and it works amazingly well.

[@BWEEOOP]

Addendum: Throughout the Mandalorian War, there were numerous reports of Mandalorians using a type of weapon that did not fire a traditional blaster bolt, but instead a high density metallic slug, specifically carried for the intent of eliminating Jedi. *1. What purpose would those serve?* 2. So you're saying that Revan intended to break the Jedi? 3. I had more questions for you. 4. That's enough. I'll be going now. Answer: Lightsabers, as I am sure you are already aware, master, are capable of deflecting blaster bolts, as well as melting most metallic elements in which it comes into contact. The Mandalorians sought to use this advantage against the Jedi. If a Jedi attempted to deflect a shot from one of these weapons, the metallic slug would melt after passing through a lightsaber blade, hitting the Jedi with molten metal. Commentary: While I do not believe this would immediately kill most Jedi upon impact, the sensation of sudden burning organic meatbag flesh would certainly break the concentration of even the most skilled Jedi.

[@michaelolmos8257]

very informative space shale ERRMM. i mean hk-47

[@ellienoir4092]

Actually the bullet would pass through and barely heat up at all! So you could just pop a cap in their skull and be on your way.

[@Bramswarr]

Observation: It appears I had not played KOTOR 2 as well as I thought.

[@contrabardus]

This is a legitimately impressive low key explanation for what happened to Anakin. It also explains Palpatine's plans and motivations far better than the prequel films themselves do. The writing in this game was top tier and well researched.

[@JesusHasRisen1]

"Overwhelming odds is also a good tactic, master. There are few Jedi that can long hold their ground against a hundred attackers all firing at once..." The First Battle of Geonosis proved that

[@obi-wankenobi8406]

looks like the SENATE found hk-47 memory

[@CausalityLoop]

More depth and world-building in 9 minutes of dialogue with a droid than the entire Disney trilogy.

[@dark_winter8238]

Good old KZbin bringing bringing us here randomly in 2019

[@danielbruce9750]

Devin C yup. Feeling pretty nostalgic right now.

[@erichunsaker4969]

"... Or being turned on by their own troops" Palpatine: Hey, that sounds like a good idea!

[@Johny40Se7en]

The thunder and lightning in the background is so fitting. You can just tell that the level of detest this robot has for Jedi is legendary, from the amount of thought / processing that's gone into all that information 😅😂 And, the voice acting for that robot is phenomenal. Reminds me of some of the characters like the Elcor in Mass Effect 😊

[@kurovisuals4272]

Great ambience

[@Johny40Se7en]

@@kurovisuals4272 Enough to put someone to sleep, if it was a tad quieter. Like when you hear heavy rain or thunder through a window 😉

[@Asvarox]

"In addition to traps, mines and ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT" win

[@OrDuneStudios]

Every episode of Rebel. Just use Base Delta Zero

[@deltagearadvanced5140]

I like how the best methods to beat a jedi are large overwelming amounts of destructive force like mines and other things that are hard to dodge, a massive amount of firepower that cannot be blocked effectively, or someone who has totally control of their emotions and mind to the point of overshadowing their intent with emotions or total capability to to act purely impulsively and on instincts making you unpredictable.

[@muttproductions2536]

5:23 Statement: It seems as if HK-47 was referencing the events that would take place 3,614 years later... How interesting

[@kurovisuals4272]

That’s a pretty cool subtle detail gotta give it too BioWare

[@oz_jones]

@@kurovisuals4272 *Obsidian. First KotR is indeed by Bioware but the second is by Obsidian.

[@hk-4717]

Querry: Are you aware of your meatbag status?

[@richardched6085]

I'm not really a Meatbag, I am a Terminator wrapped in Flesh. So what do you call that?

[@temporary67315]

Yes HK-47, what do you call a droid that just so happens to be wrapped up in a meatbag or otherwise is disguised to look exactly like a meatbag?

[@richardched6085]

temporary67315 HK-47 would probably say: Repugnant

[@temporary67315]

Would HK-47 call this droid disguised as a meatbag repugnant? starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Guri Then again, droids would probably have a different view on what exactly constitutes beautiful and repugnant

[@romanace3432]

HK-47 Answer: yes I am aware of my meatbag status.

[@MJSpiritual]

Lecture 1: How to kill Jedi. By Professor HK. CLASS IS NOW IN SESSION MEATBAGS!!!

[@theonethesequel]

Lesson N 1°: Survive

[@owou.p.504]

Lesson N 2°:Dont you dare use blaster pistol

[@Whoami691]

'few jedi can long hold their ground against 100 blasters all firing at once, or being turned on by their own troops' Palpatine: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!

[@vante2]

Should mention that while he explains all these methods to effectively kill Jedi while critiquing their behavior, this is all stuff that HK learned *From Revan*. Not only did Revan as a Sith see all the blunders Jedi who stuck strictly to the code committed, he also was a genius tactician, thinking up of many ways to effectively kill people with the same powers he had access to, so that anyone could apply them without assistance of him or his force-sensitive followers.

[@danielb6505]

The amount of detail and lore that was put into these KOTOR games are soo iconic, I miss seeing such dedication to Star Wars. I miss the old Lucas arts...

[@splitjawjanitor5369]

HK-47: "Statement: Killing Jedi, while not impossible, requires a fair bit of planning. Revan devised numerous strategies involving sniping, traps, psychological warfare, orbital bombardment..." Legends General Grievous: "Lol just stab them, it's easy"

[@twinodoom]

It was the statistically proven method

[@caelincoolz5814]

@@twinodoom For all super-cyborg droids with insane abilities.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@caelincoolz5814 which is basically just one in existence.

[@triplets5683]

Well also he did state that thise who just go with the moment have mire higher chances of killing a jedi then one that inises extensive planning, and fir grevious he just showed up and started swing no multilayered assassination just go in seing fast and harder until the jedi is dead

[@Matt_19-89]

When some droid in a 2004 game has more charisma than your main character in your main entry in a multi billion dollar movie

[@lc9245]

I love how KOTOR I and II contrasted so well. While BioWare characters are a little straight laced with some quirk sprinkle on top, Obsidian writing is much more character focused, hence a big part of the adventure is the characters dialogues, motivation and personality. They both have different strength. KOTOR 1 epic adventure is exciting and suspenseful while KOTOR 2 engulf you in its interesting dialogues about the happenings around you. If we were to consider their flaws, we can look into later games for example of failings. BioWare’s characters are all determined heroes in their own way, even when they are a devious pirate or a prison escapee. The dialogues get tedious after a while for none of their backstory in the end are very meaningful to the world around you, even if it directly affects the plot. Meanwhile, Obsidian started Vegas with finding who shot you is quite weak. It doesn’t lay out clear motivation for the characters and you might feel lost aimlessly wandering the wasteland. Yet, those games are great in their own way, and I’ll have it no other way.

[@Cryogenius333]

It's a travesty they never got the chance to finish or flesh out this game. Can you imagine if they had? If theyd just had the chance to fix it up and smooth out the bugs this game would be even more legendary than it already is. The fact a broken unfinished game has more love and respect than ninety percent of the modern AAA titles on the table that have come since should say something.

[@skizz0phrenia270]

They actually released a patch a few years ago that polished it and added missing content (Mainly the HK-50 factory. It was a really big deal and then was just forgotten in the original release.)

[@123ocelot]

god this game the feels the gameplay the writting

[@ingamingpc1634]

123ocelot the Meatbags

[@SilvaaFabio]

When a game provides a better backstory and dialogue then the new star wars movies

[@majik5194]

You say that like video games are an objectively less capable form of entertainment than movies. That's pretty close-minded guy

[@deadshot5007]

Yeah cause you are an idiot

[@darkdogzstudioz]

not hard. games have much more capability of doing so.

[@majik5194]

@@The-wo2lq just because a lot of games are gameplay based doesn't at all mean there can't be games that are primarily story based. Walking Dead. Kotor. Heavy Rain. GTA 4. These game all have phenomenal and unique story's that you won't get from any other movies. Only perhaps similar stories but nothing as impactful. Yes. There certainly is something close-minded about it.

[@Influx27]

You can almost hear Chris's disdain for certain aspects of Star Wars.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

He's kinda a libertarian edgelord though, the whole "being good is lame" shtick is cringey as all fuck. I do like the idea the Jedi can be defeated by people in control of their emotions but not distant from them.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@incinerator950 Morality ain't all that ambiguous. Evil is caused by a lack of morality, not a different one, people like the Sith simply do stuff because it benefits them, there is no higher goals otherwise they'd realize their actions are antithetical to their own goals (short-term gain instead of long-term). Being a selfish asshole makes you a Sith, Kreia just doesn't want to take responsibility for her actions. There's a reason she falls back into being a Sith at the end. She's full of shit.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@incinerator950 I'd say TLJ shits all over KOTOR2 because its message is: the good guys can suck but good is still worth fighting for. These games seem to just think being selfish is better than fighting for a just cause

[@joecarter1486]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 And yet, the many of the most successful people are those who act selfishly, and convince the naive that what they are doing is just.

[@HeeHungersForHos]

​@@ChangedMyNameFinally69You are beyond saving if you think TLJ beats KOTOR 2.

[@DukeoftheAges]

This is great! HK never fails to be hilarious. Also these games are the true face of Star Wars. The movies don't compare to this genius.

[@chadkingoffuckmountain970]

That sounds heretical

[@CosmicChris]

@Vyrisus I think Fordo meant like... speaking in all encompassing. Because Star Wars was at it's core a Western Space Fantasy. Everything else wasn't really as important in places when you just look at the Original Trilogy, which was more of a take on Mysticism when it came to the force. Was more on an idea than an encompassing Religion to the Jedi Order. But then the Prequel Trilogy underminded and retconned all that by trying to over explain what is essentially that universe's magic. Which... is kinda pointless in my opinion. Over explaining the force is just bad writing and showing contempt and distrust to your audience. Which is probably a part most universally hated in Episode one. Can I say KOTOR is "The True Face of Starwars"? No. The Original Trilogy will always be the true face of Star Wars to me, because it was where it all started. It was the foundation. Everything the came after was just building on it. So it is just such a weird take.

[@lakshaykochhar6799]

This conversation really fits the vibe of something like Rogue One and Andor.

[@tulkdog]

I wish the writers of episodes VII, VIII and IX understood Star Wars as well as the writers of this game.

[@lifeofminds4050]

I hadn't seen this before, but I really did find it super interesting. I'm a huge fan of Atton's character in general so hearing HK-47 talk about the "meatbag assassins" he was basically adding a lot more depth to what Atton had done before he deserted. I didn't realize he'd provide such insight into that portion of Atton's life. He plays more of a mature role in this game while also being just as funny as I remember in the first game, so I really liked that. It's a wonderful video!

[@f4ptr989]

Ah, brings back memories when Star Wars was still Star Wars. When the writers and creators cared about their work, respected the property, and cared about the fans. The writing and lore of this game is fantastic.

[@travisbickle4360]

LMAO, Star Wars fans bullied George Lucas into selling of Star Wars because of Midichloreans and remastering original Star wars.

[@pedropuff1304]

I agree.

[@sarkastikleader4708]

What a time to be alive back then. KOTOR 1&2 and the OG Battlefront series. They don’t make em like they use to. And I’m not even talking about just Star Wars games either.

[@ingamingpc1634]

starwars episode 3 reference HK-47 will never know that he just told the future

[@NameName2.0]

+josue betances "know" and he already knew, Cause HK-47.

[@ingamingpc1634]

Froztarlozt i bin meaning to fix that lol

[@CardboardSliver]

You know, for an assassination droid, HK has such a soothing voice.

[@Terra8622]

I love the writing of this game. Theres so much subtlety, in this scene with foreshadowing things like the hiding emotions to distract Jedi and the tie to Atton, and the force bind thing and how Kreia eventually uses it against the player. Deep stuff

[@Secret_Takodachi]

I f-cking love how annoyed HK-47 is by people trying to kill Jedi with blaster weapons 😂❤ And you can hear the PASSION in his tactics when HK talks about targeting the weaker loved ones of the Jedi in order to make the stronger opponent vulnerable or willing to destroy themself in exchange. It's like he's talking about the "obvious" best way to cook a meal! *chef's kiss*

[@poego6045]

This game spoiled me forever with Star Wars and it's sad we'll never get this in depth kind of Star Wars story again, since they'd be too afraid of going "off brand"

[@TooFewSecrets]

Star wars felt like a universe, not a series. No longer, sadly.

[@teddysprojects2904]

I think what beats any other game in terms of dialogue-based storytelling on Obsidian’s part is HK saying “recitation” when beginning to list the ways to kill Jedi. He had to keep these exact words in memory from previously explaining to someone who asked him BEFORE how to kill Jedi. That stands out to me most in this video.

[@thongle242]

A faithful servant to his creator Searching his creator for centuries, serving til his end

[@dhx84]

Actually, his definition: "Meatbags who are unnaturally inhuman or selective about their emotions." I love how the writing here by Chris Avellone reinforces the things that Kreia and other characters say.

[@aidenfurry471]

Revan strategized the framework for Order 66 3000 years before it was implemented, again his tactical capabilities astonish me

[@patrickchristine2661]

5:23 "Overwhelming odds is also a good tactic, master. There are few Jedi that can hold their ground against a hundred attackers all firing at once... or being turned on by their own troops." Foreshadowing the Clone Wars and Order 66.

[@sm1ty]

This conversation takes on a whole new meaning when you know the end of the game.. lol

[@thechadcruzaider7864]

When a droid explains the Jedi's first hypocrisy in just 2 words

[@mstash5]

Weapon of choice for close quarter combat against a Jedi: a double-barreled shotgun. Weapon/method of choice when at a significant distance: mustard gas.

[@whatnamecanipick709]

But couldn't the Jedi ''force push'' the gas?

[@lord_hemp]

Dude... HK said the Jedi can just hold their breath in poisonous gas, so mustard gas wouldn't be the most effective. I don't want to be that person, but I'd say a minigun should do the trick at a distance. If not that, then I'd say a good rifle should work well enough

[@leosolcanonizado4065]

True they could force push gas, but everyone thinks every Jedi Guardian is the same caliber as Obi-Wan or Anakin. That is not the case, probably most average Jedi wouldn’t be able to force push gas. That’s why tri-lasers, and scatter guns are very effective against them.

[@jakechinn6561]

@@lord_hemp Mustard gas still burns on skin contact, which as HK said is a good tactic. Distract them with the mustard gas then run in and hit them with both barrels.

[@mariobadia4553]

@@lord_hemp first of all a normal gun would work wonders against the Jedi since blocking it would only result in them getting molten lead in their eyes