KOTOR Scoundrel Build Guide

[@Aniluk11]

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror, the Rakata have constructed. The ability to suckle on a few dead Jedi is insignificant next to the power of the 7/13 Scoundrel/Guardian build."

[@Jonathan-dy9ju]

In kotor 1, charisma dont mitigate opposite side force power penalty. And intelligence gives bonus at each level only every 4 points ( 10 14 18 ) so putting 12 only makes u gain 4 skill points at level 1.

[@jessefinnigan662]

I made a scoundrel who started out at 15 will and charisma (later leveled to 16). Got through the beginning of the game with lots of demolition, then once i became a jedi, i went consular. Focused all on stuns and buffs, and dual welding. The buffs made me nearly impossible to harm, and I'd stun and use knight speed, so i could hit a bunch of critical hits per attack tuen. Most enemies never even got a chance to fight me, and the ones who did couldn't do anything to me anyway. Easily one of the best characters ive ever made.

[@Thelonous]

Guardian combos very well with Scoundrel, personally I am of the opinion that it is the strongest class combination. Scoundrel's Luck +Defense makes up for dropping dueling in favor of two-weapon fighting, Force Jump is effectively a guaranteed sneak attack, and the high Vitality per level makes up for the low hit points received from scoundrel levels. Guardian recieves the most feats, which helps the scoundrel greatly, as they receive the least. Similarly, Scoundrel recieves the most skills, greatly benefitting the Guardian who recieves the least. A 10 INT Scoundrel/Guardian can comfortably max persuade, fully repair HK47 prior to Leviathan, and have 9 skills points to spare for whatever sounds like fun, or 16 spare if you cap persuade at 19 instead of 26. If you happen to be a lightside guardian, you can still easily achieve a Force Power DC of 38. You'll almost always effect every enemy that doesn't have immunity or boss level saves, which Jolee is hopeless against as well.

[@SpyroMan01]

I chose to go scoundrel Guardian, the reason for this is so I can hit like a soldier but use toughness, Scoundrels luck, and sneak attack to my advantage so I'm harder to hit and hit like a truck on the first hit. I was a solider at first but I think Scoundrel is maybe the best class to use if you wanna do a good majority of things.

[@ZippyMrMew]

Yeah my first playthroughs when I was a kid I'd pick soldier but that was back when I had no idea what "Attack" or "Defense" even really meant, or what a "DC" is. Now that I've played dnd everything makes sense lol. But yeah nowdays I usually do the same thing. That way you basically never have to have Mission or T3 in your party, which is kinda sad but whatever lol. But for almost every playthrough you want Persuade. You want Repair for HK. Probably Computer Use too so like I said you dont have to rely on someone like T3 who wont be putting out much damage under the best of circumstances. And I USED to pump strength or whatever straight to 18 when I was a kid, plus get Dominator Gauntlets and all that jazz. But I vividly remember still missing a TON. That's because I didn't realize how much the feats like Melee: Specialization and Lightsaber Specialization are, because all your strength modifier really does is add to your chance to hit if Im not mistaken. But you can increase that chance to hit with those feats, and if you're dual wielding, you NEED the 2 handed Specialist perks. Even with the first two and decent strength, you'll probably still be missing a lot until you get the third perk. Conclusively, when you bump any Attribute past a certain point it uses up more and more of your 30 attribute points you get at the beginning. I never pump anything past 16 to help stay balanced. Plus, with the feats like I said earlier, you can continually buff So yeah, if its not obvious I play scoundrel slightly unorthodox. I basically never use stealth, and keep it as balanced between skills, melee, and some potency with the force as I can. Usually const and Dex are my lowest stats, so I end up being a little squishy but its worth it to me because I can basically do everything.

[@jordanbrewster3190]

I've never thought of that but that definitely sounds like something to try out. Normally I just pick a scoundrel with 8 strength and 16 dexterity and make them a consular as I dual wield blasters. Not sure if I do this hybrid I should still stick with blasters or switch to melee weapons

[@sayvionwashington1939]

I love Scoundrel -> Guardian. Force Jump boosted Sneak Attacks are so much fun to abuse.

[@raidri_conchobair]

Scout/Guardian is a pretty solid combo, too.

[@fierypickles4450]

Pumping into dex and wis and being councilor is nuts and adding mission, melt everything in a few rounds

[@DelArcadia]

I decided to start looking into more Scoundrel builds and this popped up. I wanted to do something that wasn't Scoundrel/Jedi Guardian since the Super Jump proccing Sneak Attack is a bit too technical for me. Though I always enjoy hearing other people's builds to get ideas. Probably gonna try 5 Scoundrel/15 Consular (I personally value more Force Points, Force Powers, and the amount of Feats from the combination) At the Feat Section, I was a little confused cause I was always of the thought that for Damage/Melee Focus builds 2 Handed fighting was better due to the sheer damage you can pop out and that I also barely ever go Dueling. I dunno if you continue doing KOTOR videos (I'll probably dig more after this), but if I may add a bit of constructive criticism; I'm a little surprised you didn't go more into items or Alignment here. You briefly mentioned the implant you chose (Which fair enough), but what gloves did you use? What head pieces did you go for? What belt? What about Saber Crystals? Outside of those, at the Force Power section, little surprised at no mention of Plague. Its really good for Bosses to lower their stats (It effectively lowers their defense, hit rate, damage, HP, Fortitude/Reflex Saves, and its almost unavoidable. I never see AI Smart enough to cure it, and the only time I see it resisted is Bastilla's fights and Malaks.) Still, overall, I really liked the presentation of the video and just wish it was a little bit more. I'll probably send this to a friend of mine for a good baseline building ideas since he's planning to play KOTOR soon.

[@fromthe4621]

On my 2nd playthrough of kotor this helped A LOT ty

[@Jeymez]

I like that second build for Scoundrel, however I would not leave my strength less than 10. since Scoundrel starts off with the most skill points, I turn the intelligence down to about 11, keep my wisdom around 12 or 13 depending on what jedi path I go for. i have my constitution about 11 and my charisma is about 13. but there's all kinds of different ways you can play a Scoundrel.

[@tylerwalters2205]

Odd numbers are terrible

[@Thelonous]

​@@tylerwalters2205They're not. Valor II is available from level 9 onwards (8/9 game settings, Taris excluded). A min/max "optimized" build, makes use of many odd numbered base attributes to achieve the greatest possible modifiers.

[@devapath8951]

@@Thelonous Whatever dude... Leaving the basic value of Intelligence at an odd number is generally wasting of attribute points in all the cases. IMO, there is no reasonable scenario where you set the Intelligence value to anything other than 8 / 10 / 12 / 14 during character creation.

[@Thelonous]

@@devapath8951 Please tell me where/when I ever mentioned intelligence. From a general standpoint, odd numbers are in fact, not terrible. Reply to the OP, not me, he's the whack job running odd Int.

[@Thelonous]

@@devapath8951 If you really want a scenario for odd Int tho, it's not hard to find one. LS Scoundrel/Guardian (No memory Implant) minimum Int required to reach 17 Repair before Leviathan, is 11 Int. You're a Scoundrel, 12 Int is completely wasteful in this scenario, the additional skill points achieve nothing for the vast majority of character builds. A true min/max can always utilize the Memory Implant + Master Valor, but a player following an RP is often incapable of acquiring the implant. I'm sure you can come up with other noteworthy exceptions as well. It's a good game that allows for a wide variety of character customization. "Optimal" depends on your goals and perspective.

[@veiotisligon9140]

Cool I was waiting for one of these and happy new year!

[@GamingYourOwnWay]

Happy new year!

[@Texansfan254Jeff]

Nice build. I personally like to play wearing armor so I go less on dexterity and more elsewhere, not leveling up past level two until Dantooine no matter which jedi class I choose. Usually sentinel. I like that balance on the last world near the end. Sometimes consular just for those dark side abilities. As always though, two weapons. The way I play, it's best to equip two weapons after the jedi level up. Not sure if you've tried this. One lightsaber and your pick of swords in the off hand is interesting. Best to do that as a guardian or sentinel.

[@agengsatya96]

if you only have one nextor lightsaber then sanasiki blade is your only choice for offhand weapon to max your crit strike

[@Linkforlife199]

My first time using a Scoundrel build was with Mission and holy hell, once she was set up, NOTHING could even get in close to her. I can only imagine how powerful a Scoundrel build would be with lightsabers.

[@Jeymez]

Linkforlife199: I never tried that with Mission, however I do know she has the quickest reflexes out of your companions. The Scoundrel is kinda based around what Mission is in a sense, we just get to become a jedi. as far as welding two lightsabers, I actually did that before with a Scoundrel. if you want a Scoundrel to weld two weapons effectively, make sure your strength is atleast 14. but it all depends on what jedi path I'm going for, if you decide to go the jedi consular path the most you would want your strength is atleast 12. because primarily your gonna put most of your points into wisdom so your force powers can be that much more stronger. but your also gonna want a decent amount of charisma if you decide to use dark side powers with a light side character. Dexterity is important for a Scoundrel, however since they have the quickest reflexes and best defenses out of the 3 based classes, you could lower that a little bit and turn something up.

[@Linkforlife199]

@@Jeymez I used my PC and Jolee purely for CC to allow Mission to shine and boy did she ever. Her weapons were only the Arkanian Heavy Blaster Pistols too, so she had potential to do even more damage.

[@Jeymez]

@@Linkforlife199 man your not kidding, that Arkanian Blaster pistol is a animal. i usually can rarely afford to buy it though since it's not cheap. however the few times i did have enough money to buy it, that thing can one shot alot of enemies, especially in point blank range. the only blaster pistol that does better is Bendak Starkillers blaster. Carth"s is actually pretty nice to if you level his all the way up. but Bendak's is pretty potent even without modifications

[@prebomikgaming9403]

Retinal Combat Implant is really a clutch tho for classes that have low vitality. Like in Kotor 2 for Atton I always give him that and whatever medium armor has the highest defense for the main quest on Nar Shaddaa whenever he faces those twiliks in the cantina and a Mandalorian melee/power shield helps a lot too to suck up those first few damage points.

[@896t5]

You never game alone reminds me of you will never walk alone

[@iulianhodorog9979]

For STR build: - if you go Light Side and start with 18, you get 5 points as you level up, then 3 from LS bonus IF YOU GO GUARDIAN, then 5 Str from gloves, +5 from Valor you reach 36 STR. If you also equip the +2 Str GNS belt, you get a maximum 38 STR, which is awesome. - if you go LS but NOT GUARDIAN, it is better to leave it at 17 STR, because you lose the 3 LS bonus and 37 STR is a waste, it counts as 36 anyway. - if you go Dark Side, do not get 18, stay at 17 and use points elsewhere, because there is no way for you to get an even number at max lvl. For DEX build - - you get +5 lvl up, +5 valor, +5 implant, +3 belt, +3 hands, +1 Jenruax lightsaber crystal for a maximum DEX of 40 if you start at 18. - if you dont use Jenruax, start DEX 17, for a max dex of 38 The goal is to have the important stats as even numbers wen maxed and buffed with Valor. Have fun! 😊

[@Chefvonbreezy]

When I did the scoundrel I did 16 for dex and went ahead and added 2 to charisma and constitution. I was a counselor so the rest of the game I went with wisdom and dex so I could crowd clear and duel weapons with flurry both maxed. Get drain life for the end game because it’ll make the final battle so so much more manageable. Save all the boost injections until then 👍 I agree with zaalbar regardless, then I go Bastila for roll play until you can’t lol, then I go juhani

[@GamingYourOwnWay]

Good idea!

[@Adam-nc6qg]

I think a better stats for strength based scoundrel if you want to go scoundrel/guardian would be 16STR/14DEX/14CON/8INT/12WIS/12CHA Then if going light side, on level 4 and 8 put points into Strength on level 12 put point into wisdom and head to Kashyyyk to get a major wisdom enhancing gear.

[@SOTLNYC]

Hello The Lone Gunmen, Unbelievable! Since 2004, I have played Star Wars: Knights of The Old Republic many times on my original XBox and on my gaming-rig. This is one of my favorite games of all time, and I thought that I had mastered most of it. However, after watching your videos, I realize that there is much that I still must learn. During all of these years, I have been constructing sub-optimal characters, and I have not been using my companions to the best of their abilities. Thus, although I have always completed my playthroughs, many segments of the game were much-more difficult than they would have been if I had a better understanding of how the game works. Thank you very-much for your excellent in-depth explanations of KOTOR's game-mechanics and behind-the-scenes mathematics; you have given me a new appreciation for this game!

[@ulyaoth3579]

I've been playing this game since it released, and can tell you many tricks. Like looping the Swoop Race infinite times to dupe items and leave Taris with over 200K. There are only a few Force powers worth using and they are not restricted by armor. I Max out every feat on HK and T3 I use Canderous and Bastilla as well. The rest are a means to an end. I especially enjoy killing Jolee . Mission . And Zalbaar. Bet way to Kill Jolee is to take away his weapon only give him force powers that are restricted by armor. And equip crappy armor on him. Funny fight. Plus you proactively killed Juhani. Which is bliss.

[@LegendaryGoetz]

Hahaha holy crap i’d love to see the Jolee exchange. I can never bring myself to murking them. Maybe one of these play throughs.

[@SmexyBubbles]

sorry i haven't been at ur last streams, i was busy but i'm back and happy new year Chad

[@GamingYourOwnWay]

No worries man, happy new year!

[@maxiqums1549]

lol I made 8-14-14-14-14-14 as scoundrel I did that for HK-47 repair and persuasion quests (Sandral/Matale, Jagi etc.) I needed VP because I did 2/18 and I'm not really a pro in this game. Also I decided fuck the strength - I'm a scoundrel , I'm gonna use force 9 out of 10 times, so I guess 7/13 with sneak attack - strength makes sense, but with 2/18 and thus just a lv.1 of sneak attack - I need more force powers (healing, speed, stasis, lightning, force persuasion, droid explosion, with 7/13 it's kinda impossible. Although I might be wrong. I mainly do builds that have the opportunity to complete HK-47 and hard check persuasion quests. Thanks to video, learn something new to me

[@Jilktube]

Lol wish I watched this before my most recent build. Fortunately I did something similar!

[@adz108]

When progressing through the game are u touching wisdom atall are u dumping it all in dex through out 1 thing u havnt mentioned is the saves of enemy's

[@veiotisligon9140]

I run a level 7 scoundrel and 13 sentinel I basically run the dex build but it’s 10 str 14 dex 14 con 16 int 12 Wis 10 Cha I’m the skill monkey but how I play is I stealth the beginning of combat and have my teammates blast the opponent until I get behind and wham sneak attack!!

[@DimitriBoyarski]

Well explained & cut 👍 Thanks. Look forward to playing this game. Just one completionist RP run where I'd like to be a jack of all trades character that has multiple tactical options in & out of combat. I like hard difficulties & don't min-max. Any tips on a class mix for this would be much appreciated

[@deacon6221]

Scout Sentinel there you go

[@Charagodslayer666]

Haha. I am going scandrel guardian with critical strike and it's working pretty well. I just messed up my feats and force powers a little but I'm to far in to restart again

[@veiotisligon9140]

I thought sneak attacks are only affected with regular attacks but this is good to know

[@Jilktube]

Master Speed unlocks at level 15. How they heck did you get it when it shows at 13:33 that you're only level 9?

[@GamingYourOwnWay]

Video editing and combing clips from different stages of the game haha

[@captainplaceholder4482]

Idk that you ever need more than a 10 on creation in int on kotor and you would only need to increase it a little bit over the game. 12 is fine for most of the game.

[@nukeskyhawker261]

Honestly, you can just not put any points in intelligence if you're a scoundrel. Don't really need them, most of the skills in K1 are just useless. I'd say just persuade, awareness, demolition, and repair to fix HK 47 are the only worthwhile ones

[@tateistg]

Can scoundrel use a lightsaber?

[@Kor88Di]

This is interesting. I was just watching your guide on Jedi Counselor, and you said the opposite. In that video you recommended the Duel feat and rejected the 2 hands weapons feat. Also you said that Wisdom and Charisma should be the focus, but here you say Dexterity and Wisdom while giving Charisma only 10!?

[@GamingYourOwnWay]

Yep! They're very different classes, consulars rely on force powers so they need the heavy wisdom/charisma, but scoundrels focus on dealing damage via sneak attack, so dexterity is important to land those hits, and two weapons is important because then you get double sneak attacks! Just because you pick a scoundrel doesn't mean you have to pick a consular as your jedi class! 😊

[@Kor88Di]

@@GamingYourOwnWay As I understood from this video that it was for a Dexterity Scoundrel into Jedi Counselor. Ultimately, the two videos are for the same class. Am I missing something? Can one modify his choices after becoming a Jedi? Does it still identify as Scoundrel even after becoming a Jedi?

[@GamingYourOwnWay]

Not necessarily, I think in the scoundrel video I said you could go into any of the three jedi classes, I personally would pick the consular or sentinel class though. You cannot respec your character after you pick a jedi, and yes, you still maintain all of your scoundrel feats and powers after you become a jedi, so your sneak attack still applies when you're a jedi!

[@joshuastrickland5264]

To optimize on the consular class, you need to focus on wisdom and charisma (your DCs are determined by level+Wis modifier+Cha modifier+spell base dc) Scoundrels just need to hit an opponent unawares or unable to defend themselves. He still wants some skill power (for fun) so this was the compromise build with focus on sneak attack more than anything else. If you wanted a truly optimized build then you would dump Intelligence. 8 or 14 Str 18 or 16 Dex 10 Con 8 Int 14 Wis 14 Cha This wasn't a completely optimized build because the Lone Gunman like to spice up the character with a little RP.

[@shiptj01]

I've never beaten this game with the scoundrel class. I tried, but I would die against every enemy. It turns out that I didn't really know how to use this character.

[@GamingYourOwnWay]

Good luck giving Scoundrel another try!

[@andrewhennagir1331]

the sneak attack skill makes this class the best in the game along with having +4 persuade when you start IMO having 15 str 12 dex 14 con 8 intel 14 wis and 14 char are best stat priorities in game you never run out of force you can land all force powers on malak in the game and you will have the ability to 1 shot literally any and all mobs in the game including malak with a 2h (double bladed lightsaber) build dual sabers focuses more on attack rating and you will lose damage by having it

[@DelArcadia]

I'm actually trying to play more Scoundrel, I personally am more used to Scout due to the Free implant Feats and Free Flurry That said when I was younger I played soldier a lot and I've never gone back to it lol

[@andrewhennagir1331]

@@DelArcadia same i thought high str high con was op lol

[@DelArcadia]

@@andrewhennagir1331 I thought the original design with the backpack and the blue was cool, plus I have all these cool attacks, so obviously I'm the best for attacking n stuff right??? Ho boy was I wrong in the day.

[@dj6937]

I just started playing and had to restart I played on normal with a shitty build and made it to Taris at the Vulkar base

[@КенКанеки-й1н]

But what about equipment?

[@wizardofthedesert2841]

Is anyone else here NOT a huge fan of the scoundrel class? I can see the appeal to some degree but I just can't get that into having to rely on sneak attacks and the extremely low vitality kind of sucks too. Anyone care to try and convince me to do a scoundrel playthrough.

[@GamingYourOwnWay]

I did a scoundrel playthrough and it was fun, but I agree, the low vitality was a challenge. You can do some crazy wild damage, it's just a different kind of challenge and you have to micromanage your characters more.

[@wizardofthedesert2841]

@@GamingYourOwnWay Yeah I hear ya. I played around with it a bit more now and I can see the value from a perspective of trying something different and using strategy. So I'm curious. Now that you've done a scoundrel/consular playthrough which do you prefer the scoundrel/consular or the scout/consular?

[@jayhartRIC]

I like the extra defense from the scoundrel class . I usually get the dueling feats as wellwhen I play a scoundrel so you have even more defense.

[@brianseeds2443]

Is there any significant reason not to stay with dual blasters instead of switching to sabers for the build?

[@GamingYourOwnWay]

Because they're so uncivilized.

[@GamingYourOwnWay]

Just kidding, I guess not, I'm sure you can probably get more damage and stuff out of lightsabers with crystal customization, but if you want to do blasters, go for it!

[@athanasiosziogas6059]

Do u guys know where to find purple lightsaber stones? PS. I am talking about Kotor 1

[@DelArcadia]

Dunno if you found an answer yet, but you can get one for sure in Tulak Hord's Tomb on Koribaan, but the Dark Jedi Ambushes tend to drop it on either Tatooine and Kashyyyk.

[@0m3g4wolf8]

The cave on Tattoonie where you find the Star Map.

[@Balintka9116]

Dude, thank YT there's a "slow down playback" feature... 🙂

[@GamingYourOwnWay]

I very intentionally tried to speak slower on the video I uploaded yesterday, and it was so hard 😂😅

[@gingeralelover...492]

Pew Pew

[@nervaproject]

What do you do with this build when you're fighting vs a boss with good saves and you don't have your party there to help you out?

[@GamingYourOwnWay]

This is my fight with Malak at the end of KOTOR 1, I did die once haha but overall it wasn't terrible :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXS2gayBaLxsh5Y

[@ulyaoth3579]

I'm liking this as a courtesy. The only stat you want to take above 14 on any build is Wisdom and 15 is good. 14 Str . 10 Dex . 12 Con . 12 Int 15 Wis . 14 Cha. You don't mention the feat stealing trick during level ups so you can get a Feat Every level. Dark side is the only way to play. You can actually get sneak attack 9 at level 5. You level your Scoundrel to 6 and Guardian Or Sentinel to level 14. Kill Juhani on Dantoonie. She's a waste of time. I spend alot of time on Taris getting T3 a super high computer skill so I can be at max level before the first Star Map . ( hacking the sith computer ) I play on Xbox Series X.

[@Legxendcruxh100]

This Build is useless in the Final because Malak is Immune against Horror and i can't Sneak Attack 😅

[@drunkpaulocosta]

Squishy?