kpop concepts that aged badly

[@PlanetMinjae]

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[@peachcherry2232]

MCND IS SO ACTIVE THESE TIMES AND THIS COMEBACK IS FIRE!! 🔥

[@ifSephirothwasemo]

Hi! I was wondering what the live performance/group were in the Experimental section that looks like a grindcore metal set?

[@janis6039]

mago by gfriend is the perfect example of retro concept done amazingly. this is truly one of the best disco songs in recent years

[@akuhappy3246]

True

[@absolutelynotellen]

THIS!

[@praisethelordgriffith8338]

theres also chiquita and ladida i really liked as well

[@blacksmith6123]

@@praisethelordgriffith8338 God I LOVE Chiquita, really wish people didn't downplay it just because it's "retro" 😩 For anyone reading this, I don't particularly listen to Rocket Punch but I really recommend giving Chiquita a listen until the end (till the last chorus cause that's my fav part)

[@aysegulbet]

Ikr!!!!

[@alvarosager9206]

Strongly disagree about retro; I still love that shit. I definitely agree about the noisy boy groups and experimental however, you nailed those.

[@rainboworldstan]

Yes! I agree with your statement, retro is still good in my opinion

[@eccentricrandom]

@pinkychocolate Me too, actually, except for synthwave genre, it's already been overtackled, imo

[@cometgravity]

same i'll never get sick of it

[@gian6386]

Retro never lose nostalgia

[@me12155]

Yes, exactly, all of the examples given are in my heavy rotation

[@StanChunghaOrGoHome]

I think experimental music is losing its shock value that it used to have. I remember the huge buzz around zimzalabim and next level. But nowadays it’s almost expected so no one really talks about it hugely anymore. It’s actually more discussed when groups release “boring” songs aka minimalistic basic type songs. Because were so used to everything being loud and experimental.

[@akuhappy3246]

Kinda agree

[@JiMoMin]

to me the biggest horror that comes with experimental music was nmixx`s. so much expectation, but that song, i am sorry but i really cannot

[@yutisima]

yeah, I think that was a big reason why le sserafim's fearless was quite catch, cause it was so simple and calm, kinda like whistle form blackpink

[@mine8194]

@jo haseul don't place itzy in the same group as nmixx😬

[@user-ue4ss1cn6s]

^not yall dragging nmixx like they’re untalented😭😭 they’re genuinely ALL some of the most talented idols in 4th gen

[@auri2773]

so many concepts I wanna see more of like mermaids, cyberpunk, quirky but creepy (rv nails this), videogame (more specifically mmorpgs and each member would be a class like a mage or gunslinger lol) and etc like explore ur concepts it can be so fun but I feel like no group has been creative with their concept lately except red velvet and aespa tbh

[@meraki4054]

I ABSOLUTELY want a DnD concept with all the weapons and magic and outifts. Members can have representative animals but no familiars? That's just straight-faced betrayal

[@Grungedrummer]

@@meraki4054 what is DND? Dungeons and Dragons..?

[@skylarmartin4247]

@@Grungedrummer yes

[@auri2773]

@@meraki4054 YESSS that would be so fun

[@absolutelynotellen]

YES I'LL TAKE EVERYTHING FOR TO MAKE THOSE CONCEPTS CAME TRUE

[@flo_o996]

I agree, it's not that any of these concepts are bad, they just became overused and bland (especially experimental).

[@itoo4884]

Exactly! I'm tired of experimental

[@akuhappy3246]

True

[@Sam67515]

Me sitting here loving all of them and not tired of them👁👄👁

[@jiajia7355]

True! The only group that I really think nails the experimental concept is aespa.

[@lindavaleriaparischinchill2279]

@@jiajia7355 i mean they are the reason why the experimental took of in 4th gen

[@cakredi4132]

Unpopular Opinion: Sexy Concept should make a revival this year. Imagine old groups reunited for one or two songs. Hopefully with Brave Sounds whispers in the beginning. Also, Retro doesn't mean just 80's. This make it stereotypical.

[@camibermudez378]

I'd LOVE for sexy concepts to make a comeback but the main issue is that 90% of new groups mostly have minors and they shouldn't do it. But I hope that older groups try them, like brave girls, jiyho of twice (if she has a solo), or newly solo artist that come from disbanded groups.

[@expensivegurl1112]

i agree sm, it's understandable that most producers would find it risky bc there r tons of kpop stars that r minors rn but if there r still older groups active then i rlly wish they'd continue to push for the bolder concepts (tho even if they r adults, i dont understand y tons of fans would keep treating them as babies💀).. so i get that we rlly cant force it but i miss the sexy concepts of 2nd gen like aoa, sistar, rania, after school etcc.. the current 4th gen songs r either under/overwhelming, they all have the same vibe and it gets boring after a while..

[@darkimatcha]

Yeah but hopefully old groups do that for their comeback because most of the new groups members is too young, especially the maknae (there are 2007 and 2008 maknaes)

[@shunuuu]

Honestly, I miss the sexy songs in kpop, but because now all the companies love to debut kids, we might not get that for a long time.

[@martinhoDKB]

I kinda want and don't want sexy concept cause when it comes to sexy concept companies most of the time force these idols to do it rather then them being comftroable with it

[@vixenovas385]

I want to see a elegant/classy royalty concept be done in a girl group where all the girls are queens/princesses and they all have their own kingdom that they rule and it's in this like utopic/magical/mystical universe.

[@marydc2557]

Me who was expecting this with itzy's initial teasers (they were wearing crowns) but instead got a jojo siwa sneakers title track: 😮

[@lerikacosta3167]

Then you need to check out ive

[@itoo4884]

@@lerikacosta3167 they're the closest

[@lerikacosta3167]

@@itoo4884 true

[@MeiButterfly]

Didn't Red Velvet do it for their latest comeback though? Plus with Queendom for fantasy.

[@kesturrr]

FACT: Wonder Girls executed the retro concept so brilliantly that the following years, many groups tried to ride the bandwagon but it just didn't feel right Also, if you want to enjoy experimental tracks - just listen to f(x) because they and Red Velvet were probably the only one who did it justice This is just a personal opinion tho

[@itoo4884]

Some 4th concepts I'd like to praise: STAYC (young city girls/fresh teen pop), IVE (pixy dream girl), ATEEZ (mysterious revolutionaries), early Weeekly (trendy school girls), IZ*ONE (preppy elegence), PIXY (dark fairy), and Billie (weird but mystical). Feel free to add more ig Edit: Dreamcatcher is a haunting concept (including Maison). Aespa is cyberspace. Also our funky queens (Weki Meki) are 3rd gen.

[@akuhappy3246]

aespa futuristic metaverse lore

[@artwriter600]

I agree with all of these, and I’d like to highlight Dreamcatcher and their horror concept (though they’ve started branching out some with Maison)

[@kimlipsstolenlipgloss7712]

Dreamcatcher as well, honestly that company with concepts is great...

[@3rdelement10]

IVE is more of a dreamy yet elegant girl group with class

[@velvetine]

a friend of mine described ive’s concept as dark high-teen and honestly i think it fits really well

[@cherryblossom3868]

I'm just tired of 'experimental' these days cause that stuff isn't experimental anymore, it's literally a competition of making worse version of similar kind of concept to draw public attention. While the ones aespa did were still kind of something but later the wannabe ones are just bad. completely agree with your opinion on this.

[@snsdsdaughter]

this! 😭😭

[@cometgravity]

i still love the retro trend and i ESPECIALLY adore the 80s synthpop sound, it's one of my favorite sounds in music overall and i go crazy every time i hear it 😭 of course i respect your take it's just making me go wow i could not agree LESS with this we are polar opposites lol. PERSONALLY i think the girl crush concept has aged poorly. not because no good music comes from it anymore, just because it's been everywhere for so long and i'm tired of it being so prevalent. i also find that the music of the girl crush concept, while often not bad, tends to sound pretty similar and that's made it turn stale in my opinion. i also just don't really care for that kind of sound tbh. i get that blackpink took the world by storm and everyone wants to be her or something, but what we really need is something different to shake up the industry. i believe this has started to shift more recently and we are seeing a bit more variety than there was, say, 2 years ago, but i still think it's an issue

[@georgia9260]

Those warm 80s atmospheric synths…. those boppy synths in every single one of rick astley’s songs….. inject them into my VEINS!! 80s pop walked so citypop could run

[@georgia9260]

Also hard agree that Girl Crush is a bit dead. imo it’s not even that the sound of traditional girl crush is bad, it’s that the aesthetic of it is overdone. Lapillus’ debut song SLAPS to me and I’d argue it drips in girl crush energy, but the video and outfits look like every other ‘We’re So Badass!!!!!‘ thing I’ve seen in the past year and a bit. So many of the groups we see with a girl crush look/energy pushed on them are super young too, which I don’t think helps. It’s hard to be pull off a badass b concept when you’re 15/16 years old and still haven’t had your first heartbreak, ygm?

[@starhwas]

Yessss to everything you said haha

[@h1l1ght420]

Agreed

[@04Ammy04]

The Even of Day Right Through Me album!

[@purplehello98]

Honestly, I strongly disagree on the retro, I still love retro concepts. However, I do agree with you for the most part on the other two, though I personally like one or two bgs' "noise" music.

[@nb9305]

I don’t really think none of these concepts aged badly. Ik most ppl didn’t like the retro concepts but everything else is completely according to your taste.

[@bubblsodao3o]

i mean,, he did say it was according to his opinion 🧍‍♀️

[@nb9305]

@@bubblsodao3o ik

[@kimdaniel2601]

I don’t think the concepts aged badly so much as producers didn’t create good music around those concepts. They either ran out of ideas or the producers themselves were unable to do more than try to copy.

[@lily-wg9zv]

Yes of course its acording to their personal taste

[@hazen7777]

It is a commentary channel 💀

[@woong9296]

I just appreciate Fromis_9 for sticking to their sound and not experimenting music.

[@luvchaerry]

I feel like they've gotten boring by sticking to only one thing 😭 I looooved their "experimental" tracks like Love Bomb and Fun so the past two tracks have been... Same-ish? Which is a shame because they're wonderful and I miss when they changed things even if just a little bit

[@onlytheflowerknow]

Same honestly. They have matured(like twice) with their music while still sticking to their own sound. Stay this way is the perfect mix of talk&talk with we go. DM is their best song and comeback and from our momento box their best album yet. They never followed trends but stayed real to their sounds. That's why they are my ults with twice

[@onlytheflowerknow]

@@luvchaerry honestly disagree 😬 like twice, they have also matured with time and are making music with more thought to it and more maturity while still sticking to their Sound. Idk if you listened to their new album but you would be blown away. I liked fun and love bomb but I never loved them. I love talk&talk, dm, stay this way, we go. A song that's not experimental doesn't have to be boring. Not only experimental songs are fun you know? I also love these gorgeous or funny mvs like talk&talk and DM. Fromis_9 evolved and yes their mvs changed but their sound is still them. Their recent music doesn't seem to be your cup of tea anymore. Which is OK ofc. Twice also doesn't do quirky or fun mvs like signal or likey. We miss it yet but they still have their sound. I don't get why we need to call their music boring currently. Same thing with rv, calling their recent stuff boring isn't cute honestly. Nobody appreciates that. They work hard and try to do new stuff while still keeping their sound but people still aren't satisfied. They either have to do that or change their whole image and get rid of their original sound and try like something completely different like rock or girl crush. Their fans love them and stan them for their sound. They can't make a love bomb 2.0. Rv can't make a psycho 2.0 nor can twice do a signal 2.0. There is always a concept and mv we love the most by a group but expecting the same thing even after 3 years is a bit weird. You guys put so much pressure on them. Russian roulette is my fav concept ever but I never said I want something like that again. They are versatile groups, they will have different songs and mvs.

[@jem3706]

@@luvchaerry fr!! dm and stay this way(?) was so boring, sorry not sorry 💀 and ur right, we need love bomb and fun back

[@user-ue4ss1cn6s]

I see so many people saying dm was boring, it really wasn’t😭😭😭 you just gotta be able to appreciate different aspects to a song to like it. The vocals and the way they portrayed the song was actually very beautiful. The composition of it was pure gold and i don’t think its gotten enough credit.

[@karentriminio3146]

As long as it is SM, I usually like their experimental music on their groups...when other companies do it I feel like it is a kind of hit or miss. SM finds some way to make me like it at first listen

[@yukitty_writes]

i wasn't super into retro but bad love by key is by far the best retro song. followed by 90s love/misfit by NCT U

[@user-ue4ss1cn6s]

90s love and misfit>>>> some of their BEST songs

[@leedongwok86]

love misfit and 90's love retro NCT also champions the experimental and noisy tracks, although they technically 3rd gen group as a whole (despite having subunit and many members that debuted as 4th gen) and literally debuted with noisy and experimental sounds and getting hate for it

[@minaballerina]

i will literally never get bored of eighties style retro synth pop lmao i would be fine if every group released songs with that concept forever it’s my fave haha

[@yuujiitadori42]

nowadays, i think "experimental" is all the same style of music- loud and odd. before, there used to be sub-genres within the experimental concept, but now it feels like they use the same sounds and instrumentals, tweak them to match their concept and release, making it seem like a never-tried-before concept.

[@dncm5405]

I belive the only people who are doing experimental right are SM groups. Aespa, NCT, Redvelvet and others are littlery the only ones who can pull it off

[@myraclesname]

@@dncm5405 agreed. Since they basically introduced experimental sound in the industry, other companies have been trying to use the same formula but they mostly completely miss. It's not like every experimental SM track is "good", but they are consistent and committed.

[@marleymarss]

@@myraclesname Wait, they introduced experimental sound in the industry? I might agree a bit more if you mean within the Kpop industry, maybe. Cause Experimental music has been a thing for years and years, all the way back to the 1900s or even slightly earlier. Experimental in Korean music has actually been there even before Kpop was constructed (Kpop is basically heavily influenced from Western music and brought it over to Korea to incorporate in the country) and became a business of its own. I think a lot you Kpop fans have no idea what experimental music really is or even sounds. It's actually hard to describe what experimental music is or even sounds. And that's the point, nontraditional, no structure, aren't consistent, and so forth.

[@myraclesname]

@@marleymarss consistent in the form of going against mainstream structures is what I meant. And I'm well aware that experimental Korean music has existed way before kpop but that was not my point. SM didn't invent the sound, but they certainly introduced and popularized it within kpop.

[@myraclesname]

@@marleymarss and me being a kpop fan has nothing to do with my knowledge of music and art. I think you might've misinterpreted my comment.

[@kevinscheeseballhair9720]

I feel like experimental/noisy songs are tricky to pull off because it’s two genres that majority of the kpop fandom has grown to dislike a LOT

[@upmysIeeves]

y’all follow a couple people on kpop twitter/tiktok and think that’s the majority of the kpop fandom 💀

[@fae9974]

@@upmysIeeves they nvr said tht?? r u ok

[@upmysIeeves]

@@fae9974 it’s almost like people can imply something without outright saying it 🤭

[@fae9974]

@@upmysIeeves omg rly??? i nvr knew tht.. maybe theres a difference between implying something n literally reaching

[@1903n]

The only experimental songs I can digest is ones from SM lol. And I think I liked aespa’s experimental eventho it took me a few listens is because it suits their concept so much since they intergrated metaverse…something futuristic

[@sornhee2357]

omg you should watch pixy, their debut its a experimental song, but the sounds match so well with the concept of fantasy and darkness, btw they made recently a cb 'villain' the full album is such a masterpiece

[@Sims2Squared]

I have had PIXY's new album on straight repeat since it came out. It's so delicious. Too many people sleeping on this group! They are amazing and their company is really treating them well.

[@ethos2151]

villain & swan song are soo good i’ve had those songs on repeat since it came out

[@wvsmn]

this album is everything

[@gwgwap]

debuting with an experimental song will always be the worst choice ever.... can we bring back fun concepts for ggs?

[@woontonie]

Agreed imo I feel like experimental songs goes very well with Aespa and their concept

[@heart8143]

Not really it still depends on the structure of the songs. Lot of SM groups debuted with experimental songs.

[@_my_insomnia_blink562]

Nah Aespa have established themselves as an experimental group, it's not doomed for failure. But yes other groups should try to be more unique.

[@yves2133]

Aespa debuted with a safe song and then they used the experimental/cyber/sci-fi concept. Groups like Lapillus and NMIXX started with an bad experimental song and now we expectedly what they must release

[@Ohmygh0st]

What about Billlie

[@nastya1297]

I think you mixed up concepts with genres. Concept is not really about the song itself, but rather the aesthetic accompanying the comeback. Edit: With retro, it can be a concept with a song also having a retro sound. But noise??? It has nothing to do with the concept. Same with experimental

[@kpop_mode_on]

concept is both the mv and song

[@nastya1297]

@@kpop_mode_on @i trust jimin They can be intertwined, sure, like retro concept as I said before or a summer concept, where you expect a certain aesthetic AND a certain sound. Elegant and sexy, too, to an extent. With girl crush and teen crush you can also expect some characteristics to be present in a song itself. But when you have a cheerleader/school/zombie and what not, it always refers to a music video and styling. But he only talked about the music and 2/3 of his examples are words that are only applied to music and not when talking about concepts.

[@foreverneverlandblink4304]

Tbh for me that is exactly the problem sometimes: Concept and genre should be the same, but at times it just doesn't fit. Those two should not really be different things.

[@maddyrevenge]

Not really. If a group was described as "cute concept", you wouldn't exactly expect them to sound like Everglow or Dreamcatcher. Concept encompasses aesthetic and musicality.

[@nastya1297]

@@maddyrevenge I did say some can be intertwined. And as you said, in those cases it encompasses BOTH. Not just music.

[@dgls127]

Experimental now days its literally choosing 3 different beats and put everything in one song with out any smooth transition, because at least in Next Level the transitions were smooth, now after listen a lot of times the bridge is the only part that REALLY dont match. Experimental songs done right: Hot Sauce, RBB, Zimzalabim, i got a boy, F(x), Next level, obsession, some other NCT song that im not remembering. That was not on purpose but it looks like only SM can do experimental right

[@stanloonaandnctforclearski2117]

Loona's why not as well is also one of the best experimental song in kpop and the fact that Lee sooman participated in the whole album (12:00 is what the album is called) making process which includes the TT. He participated in both of loona's 2020 comeback title tracks and albums. So, yes I do agree, SM entertainment are the best at making experimental music.

[@straynayeon]

Everyone doesn't like noisy, but I love it and it's the only type of kpop my classmate would listen to.

[@kimdaniel2601]

I love it too but I’m picky about it. If there is only “noise” and nothing happening melodically I probably won’t add it to the playlist.

[@LottaKissu]

Well you keep their lights on for us pls 😭👌🏾

[@hadiamalik9437]

Yup i love beats in stray kidz songs

[@peekforcelia]

Kpop is noisy people are reaching when they hate a concept that was popular since the 2nd gen 🤣

[@darao.4907]

@@kimdaniel2601 yeah fr it’s gotta be melodic noise

[@SunnyShlne]

I think experimental music should be used only by SM because they do it perfectly but the other label can't do it, it's horribly done ! They should do their things.

[@absolutelynotellen]

To me, there can only one group that suitable for retro concept and that's...Wonder Girls.

[@Letsgogamblingg]

Dreamcatchers together 😩😆

[@kevinscheeseballhair9720]

Omg yes Wonder Girls the og 😭 Their songs literally still sound fresh to this day and I’d actually listen to it over other kpop retro songs

[@Chrono_topher]

Nobody (both Korean and English) is still one of the best retro songs of K-Pop even after14 years 💅💅✨

[@akuhappy3246]

Nobody is the pioneer of succesful retro song

[@anonymousarmystarlight6682]

I'd say T-ARA does really good retro concepts as well!

[@synthiandrakon]

Part of the problem is that most experimental music in kpop is "experimental" in the same way. When an artist is the only one doing something I can appreciate something for it's novelty, but when I'm listening to my 20th song that's "experimental" in pretty much the exact same way it's like the song is no longer interesting enough for me to put up with mess.

[@minjilover]

F(X)'s Experimental genre's songs honestly suited my taste the most while only Aespa's debut song caught my attention...

[@akuhappy3246]

Fx is indeed the sunbae for aespa experimental song

[@minjilover]

@@akuhappy3246 I really liked Fx a lot just that SM is real shitty at managing their groups as per usual.

[@el972]

Black mamba is very girl crush if you ask me

[@minjilover]

@@el972 hmm I feel it's more like a mix of experimental/futurism, girl crush and other genres etc. Black Mamba is indeed very attractive but I really feel their songs afterwards did not live up to all the anticipations... Although their fans love their songs in any way. It's kinda the same with Itzy's Dalla gaining explosive attention while the songs after just didn't sound as great for me. I'm no hater of any groups or celebrities, this is just I felt about many 4th gen groups debuting with a really great song while I didn't find their other songs attractive...

[@quniunq]

@@minjilover black mamba is not experimental in any way

[@Omgits7ito]

For me it’s when groups start cloning music. I will alway give any sound a chance and if it makes me feel something and get stuck in my head I’ll support it. But what really ruins the good vibes of a genre is when people start cloning songs that did well. Everything starts sound the same and nothing stands out

[@WooTwiceTeez]

I respectfully disagree with retro. So far, none of retro songs (at least from what I hear in my playlists) aged badly. But hey i guess it's your voice and opinions

[@sims2lovealot]

The problem with experimental is that SM basically pioneered it with their groups in a way that works. Red Velvet has a quirky style, EXO has a sexy funky style, NCT has a tech pop style, and aespa has the futuristic style. They're experimental but they're all different and work perfectly with each group in a way that it's not tiring but always really fun and fresh - and those groups are still given "normal" songs to work with as well. The thing is that SM does it so well and takes the time (and funds lol) to understand how to make it work for each group, but most other companies don't really seem to do that. They just go "oh experimental is popular, let's do that" and they throw it on a group without actually thinking about how it will work for the artists. O.O is the perfect example. That song is a mess and it's also just an ad for Coke. For a debut group, those girls didn't deserve to have a song like that. Yeah it made headlines, but not in a good way, and certainly not in the same way that Savage and Next Level did, which you can tell JYP was trying to replicate. Not saying that groups that aren't in SM shouldn't try it of course, but when they do it, they need to consider how the song will work with the group, and IF it will work, instead of doing it for the sake of it.

[@manjughosh9425]

Nobody can make music like NCT cause noise was invented by them and just for them

[@donyt4926]

I will defend memeM until my dying day. It’s not even that experimental it’s just badass 🙄 And it has a memorable melody, chant, and even point choreo Hit Ya! is just the tasteless version of memeM tbh Fight me memeM slaps

[@ellohmia]

Literally, these songs are meant to sing along to 🙄🙄🙄 like YASSS MEMEMEM

[@donyt4926]

@@ellohmia right like every time I hear it it gets stuck in my head for days (in a good way) IN YOUR HEAD MEMEMEM REVERSE IT’S STILL MEMEMEM M-E-M-E-M, M-E-M-E-M, MEMEM TELL ME TELL ME, TELL ME TELL ME NOW

[@velvetine]

memem is one of the only recent “experimental” tracks ive enjoyed, at least this year. its definitely messy, but messy in the right way (and purple kiss are vocal goddesses so they totally served)

[@kholidamsolikhah0373]

Hit ya grow on me

[@gimest]

in the 3 concepts sm is the blue print, retro shinee, fx, suju. noise & experimental nct, aespa those concepts are fine, only if you know to work with them

[@OldDannyDevito]

I loved the retro styles G idle and Triple H did, it was fantastic, then it became super boring, everybody was doing the same. I was never a real fan of the Noise one, I think is because I've never liked boy groups, don't know why. Experimental was one of the most boring, I usually get bored of listening those in a few days and then never again.

[@muchachx8067]

Good experimental kpop music: NCT 7th sense and sticker are bops

[@ramiaels]

theres a big diff between experimental songs that have a strong musical foundation (i.e. savage is very clearly hyperpop inspired) and ones that are very clearly just trying to throw you off (O.O) and its the second one that sucks imo lmao

[@gwgwap]

I know that people love to hate on skz for everything but their noice music is very fun and also very danceable. Like if I ever listened Miroh in a club I would have the time of my life 🤞🏻and if any of those edgy stans bothered to listen their discography they would see that skz is really diverse, from rock, to trap, to r&b and to mellow pop

[@kimdaniel2601]

I like Stray Kids (Ateez is my ult group) and agree that they have great B sides (most of my favorite Stray Kids songs are B sides). The same for Ateez-both groups have some melodically beautiful songs-not just “noise.”

[@ChanKim-h20]

Trueeee

[@OpelTheAnimatronicEchidnayz65]

no

[@ChanKim-h20]

@@OpelTheAnimatronicEchidnayz65 what no

[@bread6052]

I don’t tend to like “noise music” (tbh I don’t like calling it noise music) but Stray Kidz just do it like no other bg for me. I’ll be screaming my lungs out to back door every time I hear it. Idk what it is they put in their music but I would love to season a boiled potato with it.

[@fogel5672]

I dunno bro to me every concept has good and bad songs that doesnt change

[@Zeighla]

I can't really blame people/companies for having a hard time coming up with new/fresh ideas. There are just sooooo many groups and songs out there that it gets harder and harder to wow people.

[@PrinceDuCiel7]

Experimental should only be taken on my groups who's writing/producing team have a passion for that kind of music. It's why SM does so well with it. The Owner of the place loves that music and always has. They cultivate the type of talent that can do it. Other companies treat it like a concept to copy instead of an artistic choice, ultimately failing. Like Purple Kiss 100% can do experimental but... maybe keep some of their own sound and concept to the experiment? Such a waste of a comeback. And I'm just gunna take my 80's synth pop loving self away. It's not a joke. ;_; Those songs are legit good and not as camp ;_;

[@mnjk1558]

I can proudly say that I looove experimental music. I'm surprised that you didn't mention NCT in noise or experimental categories. In my opinion NCT and Aespa are the kings and queens of experimental music. And with NCT it's so cool that every single title track is very different from eachother so their music doesn't repeat itself. And what it comes to retro music, I freaking loved Key's Bad Love album. It's still one of my favorite albums ever! And A-ha! - Take On Me is a masterpiece that never gets old! 😁

[@tsukimilo]

I have to disagree on retro, it's not that it has aged badly, all those songs are good to listen, it's the fact that, as you said, companies have made it stale, but still has the potential to be good with song such as Ladida, Mago, Tail (more a 90s thing but still kinda retro), Lady, I love you and Night rather than day by my sexy quirky sexy queens EXID. Now, that "Take on me" disprespect is something I will have to throw hands about 🔥

[@Kaije]

Agree!! Take On Me was one of my favorite songs growing up and I wasn't even born when it came out.

[@myvrtualangel]

I want a concept like loonatic by odd eye circle its just so unique and never been used before

[@wixerin]

what a crazy paradox the experimental genre became, its purpose was not to fall into the same thing and it happened anyway lol I think it shouldn't be called experimental or give this genre a new definition But well, I suppose that since it is now a musical genre, it has become a chain and maybe even if they dont have that intention , it will all sound the same.

[@LO-dm6uf]

SM is probably the only company that makes good experimental music that ends up being the trend....except a few controversial SM songs like sticker even though i LOVE it

[@lisey5420]

I would like some r&b concept especially for girlgroups. (imagine something like kai or taemin on girlgroups??) But more r&b in general. But also, i have 193754728 concepts for groups planned out in my head and i still don't get why everyone puts out the same stuff everytime... just hire me as a creative director lol

[@rooftopfight6210]

Are you one of those folks who's ready to sell their soul for korean r'n'b scene? Bc girl same, i like kpop and love some of it but i literally would die for someone like dpr live you know what im sayin (Also baekhyun is rnb af but i guess there's a shortage in the industry definitely)

[@rooftopfight6210]

Either way rnb is more complicated to give to kpop groups bc it requires your own colour and character and sincerety and kpop industry is not about that life in general

[@Bambabababambam]

experimental literally cant get old cause all the songs sound different but theyre also all either hit or miss since they are... experimental

[@Vadzx]

Lmao I was about to say noise is Ateez and SKZ's thing so I'm glad you didn't knock them - you're absolutely right though about the new age noise music it's noisy because that kind of thing worked for older artists but the difference is those older artists write their own music and don't write it to be trendy

[@larafinocchiaro3716]

STOP I love noise/experimental music 😭😭

[@xen8712]

lmfao with juice's point of the synth pop sound reminding him on never gonna give you up, now i can't help but feel like ive been subtly rickrolled in so many songs & i haven't even noticed until juice pointed it out...

[@ELmayberry]

😂😂

[@thezircadia]

Is it experimental anymore if they're trying the same experiments? Like yeah, exactlllly. It's not experimental, they're trying a style that exists and used to be experimental yet they try to make them weirder and it just results in a bad song.

[@shinichikudofirstanimecrus7256]

I liked Memem their vocals were amazing unlike savage last chorus the vocals are too high pitch for me personally

[@dandelionlovespink]

My favorite genre being synthpop/wave, I'm enjoying every one of the retro comebacks released since the beginning of the trend! And I'm also not tired of the experimental concept in female groups, good for me! However I agree on the noise music. I like it, I'm a Gem, Stay and Atiny but when I'm listening to a boy group song of 2022, I can't even guess which boy group it was cause they all sound the same! (apart from TAN or Omega x for example) I hope companies realize this and try to be unique!

[@minjilover]

I don't think Retro aged badly because this genre does die down and return again to popularity every other few years and constantly evolving~

[@lorenatavares5013]

tbh noise is my favorite concept since I met kpop in 2017, specially when there's an eletronic vibes and even rythm changes. I remember when I start to stan Stray Kids and being in love with their noise songs

[@kiffwerp9875]

this!!! i think stray kids are very unique because they have 3racha, the members who participate in all of their music production. this way, they are never stuck performing songs by producers who are only trying to follow a trend or don't know how to bring out every member's individual colors. they're def a group who know what they're doing and doing it well

[@Ruby-wp8tn]

absolutely love noise music and experimental music, especially when they are together

[@FebiMaster]

Retro are good if done properly, i dig synth pop sounds in chiquita, and Mago, they sound so good especially if you have studio quality speakers or headphones, the synth just resonates in your ear like crazy And i think its about time sexy concept make a comeback

[@lovelypanda8676]

The problem with these concepts is not the concepts themselves, but groups doing it for the sake of doing it. If you're going to hop on a trend set by someone else at least copy it well or add your own twist to it.

[@lettersfromrachel1111]

i see chanty, i click

[@xXxNeonPrincessxXx]

I don't mind experimental and noise done properly, it was SM's thing since forever and I've always been an SM Stan. Just the fact that nowadays every group and their mother is doing it and they're doing it badly more often than good that irritates the hell out of me. Even SM does it poorly from time to time now so I'm starting to like basic and boring concepts. Sometimes I just appreciate that I don't have some instrumental messing with my ears and that I don't have to get used to a song.

[@fallingxflowers]

I’m honestly so sick of the retro concept but the songs themselves are usually *so good* that I’ll end up listening to them anyways 🤣

[@MoaArmy61304]

The thing about RETRO is that it never ages, it's timeless, so we never get tired of it, it's always fun and enjoyable to hear and watch. I listen to Kpop retro/disco playlists and each song has its own vibe and different retro atmosphere & perspective

[@coconutmochi6402]

Experimental should've never become a trend in my opinion. It feels like nowadays companies can put like 3 scrapped songs together, make a complete nonsense and put it out and fans will eat it up cause it's "unique" and special, but it barely even passes as a song. Not to mention, they don't even try to make it make sense lyric wise, it's just bunch of random sentences together. And now when other groups release normal music that isn't experimental or noise, they get called boring and underwhelming (example: fearless) although that is what normal music sounds like. Gotta say, Aespa does the experimental music good, but they do have a consistent chorus, understandable lyrics and overall their concept fits it.

[@ikxedits5537]

'noise' music is so common now in new bg that have just debuted and it's getting kinda annoying and people are most likely loosing interest in new groups because of the noisy music

[@Waiting_Via]

Bro, retro and noise type of music is my fav, literally noise part of pop keept me here. I also very much enjoy experimental music.

[@lemonsweettae]

i’m definitely getting tired of the girl crush/badass concepts i rly hope to see some sexy and cute concepts come back😋

[@ziddo3236]

noise music: I still love it so much. With a little bit of tweaking here and there + add a lil bit of experimental shoosh to it. That type song get you so pumped up and hyped!!! Secret Number - Doomchita is one of the example (loud music done right)

[@duckszn.]

I don’t think that’s like really retro type music, it sounds more like funk or disco, but yeah it’s really overused and underwhelming. I would be joyous if kpop groups had a better funky feel to them, because usually nowadays their voices are really bland, so it doesn’t even fit the genre. Their voices need personality because it this point I can’t even tell which voice from which because they all sound the same. Anyways stream Rhiannon by fleetwood mac

[@Rhaphidophile]

really curious what SM has done with aespa for GIRLS after so many groups debuted with "experimental" music following Next Level and Savage's success. I mean, Life's Too Short was already a left turn.

[@fantanyam3815]

Omg definitely same thought. But im sure aespa gonna release something outstanding as usual

[@anannyasule]

SM has producers that are actually good so I really trust them. The teaser for girls is good

[@marleymarss]

I don't understand why you separated Noisy and Experimental, cause Experimental within Kpop isn't really experimental and the categories you talked between them are the same. The kind that ya'll have been listening to is just Noisy within is various sub genres and not experimental. And I think a lot you Kpop fans don't even know what experimental music is. For sure it isn't loud, but it's really hard to describe and there hence the experimental. Cause experimental is all about nontraditional, possible no musical instruments being used from time to time, there is no structure, no sense of rhythm, most of them aren't pleasant to hear, how it's all about from an audio experience, can be hard to listen to, hard to comprehend, and other factors within experimental. The kind of "experimental" in Kpop has structure, follows certain patterns within the music compositions, and are so in liken to synths repurpose with familiar sounds and other uses of musical instruments blended together. I'm just saying. But if any of you guys really want to branch out a bit more of experimental music, by all means go ahead. It's just going to be something is what I'll say.

[@takada5743]

Experimental is SM's THING tho... they have been doing this since 2nd Gen and are the best at it

[@leaderstxt]

retro is still fun...

[@s1ckdolly]

retro done good is amazing, but average retro songs kinda all just blend into one

[@theworldof11]

i cant wait fro Billlie's comeback cause they're (in my opinion) experimental in a good way also with their possible city pop genre its very intriquing

[@saturn2896]

Let's be real, we can find a good experimental concept from a smaller company here and there but SM owns it

[@famemosterrrrr]

Retro still works and I still love it a lot.

[@tiatokkesdal1745]

The concept I hate the most and no offense because I love the Indian culture so much. But I’m getting sick of the Indian themes, Indian/Bollywood type dancing, Indian sounding harmonics. One thing I’ve learned over my 11 year period of being a Kpop fan is that they sure like to over play and copy concepts from one another. I suppose it’s not too different from any other country. Many US artists do the same thing.

[@5lhunt]

Retro is absolutely my fave concept, I'm so glad it's still at a peak and I hope it never goes away

[@SienAppelsien]

You're talking about noise like these new boy groups are too much when Omega X is right here making classic amazing 'noise' music, unlike some ateez and stray kids tracks that I find too much. Some groups really go too hard with the noise, while others do it just right. The ones that do it just right can stay. And retro and experimental are so great when executed well and are very varied, but can also fall flat. Hit ya for example is great but O.O is just way too much in my eyes. And also, savage is a mess, but I still enjoy it. One genre that I'd like to see more from boy groups is futuristic funk like NCT 127's superhuman, ONF's beautiful beautiful and MIRAE's killa. I love those songs and we need more of those

[@sadie5419]

I still love the noise concept and genre of kpop. However I will admit what you said about recent boy groups songs not being very memorable I'll agree with. I still find I enjoy listening to them, but I also think they're not extremely memorable and I wish the producers would make a "noise" signature to the boy group. Because that's what boy groups like stray kids, mcnd, and ateez did as you said. They're all consistently doing noise music yet you can tell that it's that group when you listen to them.

[@rjaybgmz]

experimental and noise music won't age if it's made by sm.

[@rjaybgmz]

after watching, i completely agree with your point on experimental and noise music but not on retro lol

[@moas_page]

Noise music didn’t age badly, you just have to have the taste to like it. But I get that some just don’t just standout and are quite all over the place and boring

[@maddiej2165]

I love the retro concept but most groups just go for the 80’s pop sound. The retro concept would be better if went for another era sound. Kpop groups could do a retro concept but do 90’s grunge/rock or 70’s disco or 60’s psychedelic rock. There is a rock concept genre but it’s 2000’s punk rock (it does stem from the 90’s but isn’t real grunge) I think some groups who do retro could be more interesting if they picked another decade instead of the 80’s. I love the 80’s but I can only take so much of it before it’s too much.

[@tan8802]

first entry in and I get why 3 people already disliked this video 💀 edit: but i do agree with what you say, most of it got very similar to each other, only a few have been standing out lately

[@AD3LPierce]

Memem isn't great, but isn't as bad as everybody makes it to be, if it was released by Aespa, everybody would eat it up, bcs the vocals they serve there >>>>

[@aauey.]

I am so sick of experimental music (never liked it in the first place tbh) - I just don't think it's done well at all and nonsensical music can be done well (a well known western example would be the numerous popular tracks of lady gaga) & I agree with the noise music point - it was done well in the earlier groups but now it seems watered down in originality by the new groups (?) But I have to say I am a bit of a sucker for the retro concepts, I usually end up liking them...

[@kviscop200]

LE SSERAFIM fearless is pretty good. It's unique, catchy and listenable for many time. I hope HYBE makes these kind of songs more, bcz we want to come out from the noisy and experimental music era.

[@rawwr2927]

Personally the only experimental track I like is Love Cherry Motion.

[@thatsjasminerice7549]

Bruh all of the experimental choruses showcased in the beginning of the experimental section sounded the same...

[@chrisiscool]

Did this boy just said my fav concept and said they are boring T-T

[@MROYvids]

DreamNote, Saturday, PurpleBeck, Busters, etc. all had fun concepts and great songs but it’s so hard for smaller groups to become recognizable with that sound. I also think Ring Ring - Rocket Punch is the perfect way to pull off Retro. It was a masterpiece.

[@liligonczo7381]

One of my favourite concept used to be experimental, cause I liked the curiousity I had when for example aespa released a song after next level, but when Nmixx released O.O, and Lapillus released Hit ya then it just lost it's power, because as much as O.O grew on me after some time, Hit ya was a total disaster. I remember I listened to it, but couldn't stand to listen to it more than once. And as you said it's hard to enjoy when everybody does it.

[@inthewh4le]

But you by iKON was one of my favourite retro songs, I love that song so much

[@maimellodii]

what we need: medieval concept

[@FlowerArtzy24]

I normally don’t get tried of many concepts so-

[@foreigner2608]

I agree about the 'experimental' music made by 4th generation groups. I must say, I've never been a fan of that genre, so I hope this tendency will end soon, or at least that there will be more variety. Lately I've only been listening to old kpop groups because the latest releases have all been 'experimental'.

[@emilyarcher1564]

i absolutely love O.O and Hit Ya, don't tell me im the only one 😭💔