kpop groups that FLOPPED in 2022

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@PlanetMinjae Жыл бұрын

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@ArtIsDrawing Жыл бұрын

I liked sneakers!!

@huangmaobaimao Жыл бұрын

add red velvet. RV and itzy are disappointments of the year. the only good thing coming from them this year is 28 reasons and blah blah . are they really the same groups who made psycho and mafia in the morning?

@Stayc_Minion Жыл бұрын

5:41 is not a flop they're just trying out new things because if focus only on their theme because they might have a lack if if they only do that theme 'unlike the other kpop groups' that afraid to not do the common kpop genre I gave STAYC, High Up, and Rado pd-nim a BIG SALUTE AND RESPECT for taking up that risk that every kpop group and ent. afraid to do.

@ScoobyDoober Жыл бұрын

Weird some of these groups that flopped were top 10 girl group in streams on Spotify in 2022? Success isn’t based on show wins or record sales alone.

@nonloso7845 Жыл бұрын

@ScoobyDoober fr but he (obviously) didn't mention mcnd 💀

@naomi.cannibal Жыл бұрын

Beautiful Monster was one of my FAVORITE Kpop songs this year I’m sooooo sad so many people hated it

@ervindeleons Жыл бұрын

Same, the chorus was beautiful, the pre chorus was and is very addictive and pretty, the second verse is a chefs kiss, and the bridge especially j’s part is so satisfying

@heatherjohnson5416 Жыл бұрын

It was my most played song this year on Spotify

@goodietwoshoes7238 Жыл бұрын

same 🥲 i personally think it's their best tt but yet again, preferences. i just didn't expect that a lot, like LOTs, of people didn't like it as much as i did

@annie.hi. Жыл бұрын

Same!

@nguyenworld21 Жыл бұрын

It's good but StayC is not good enough to handle this song. Their vocal sound so annoyed here because it is too high, I don't want to stream it. I prefer a better voal group could sing this song

@Ms_HyeSeungyeon Жыл бұрын

I felt like Viviz was just not very interesting. Don’t get me wrong, I like gfriend but it feels empty without the other members. Viviz feels like a empty way of continuing their legacy.

@dibidibidis3367 Жыл бұрын

Yeah when I first heard about Viviz I thought the music would be like Gfriends. I’m glad they are trying to get there own sound but what they are doing now is just so generic..

@S.Ashy.S Жыл бұрын

Ikr, I loved gfriend, and then I was like lets check out viviz, Its not the same and not really interesting in my opinion

@miaemblem8072 Жыл бұрын

I agree so much

@vanessameow1902 Жыл бұрын

Their 2nd Mini was actually gewd but ofcourse yall paid them dust. Went platinum in my bedroom regardless

@fireflieer2422 Жыл бұрын

Agree

@abcdefg-tc8kn Жыл бұрын

I was so sad to see The Boyz in this video, but unfortunately, you're right. She's The Boss was one of my favorite songs of the year, and I'm so disappointed to see that many people hated it.

@thethingcalledlisa Жыл бұрын

"Whistle" was one of my favourite songs of the year "timeless"in top 3 b-sides and "sweet" a great single so seeing them being so unsuccessful this year is quite sad to me too

@shruuuu654 Жыл бұрын

I'm not even a fan but Sweet is my 3rd most streamed song of 2022 😭 They should've released it as an actual comeback smh

@arnolacosta6093 Жыл бұрын

I'm a big fan of them, but Sweet was the only good song they released this year :/ (talking about singles)

@hannnieeeehae Жыл бұрын

FOR REALLL I LOVED THE SONGS AND SO MANY PEOPLE HATED THAT ONE SONG BY THEM SO MUCH. they don't wanna have fun i guess cause what the hell 😨

@pinkvenomblackpinkscomeback Жыл бұрын

they company ''IST'' does shjt things this year. They better prepare good songs for their comeback in 2023, as they have a quite long time for preparation

@HakuMata_Snacks Жыл бұрын

It is crazy to see how girl groups come and go like fast fashion, whoever did well in 2021 like stayc and Aespa, had very little hype around them this year. We can only see how the likes of Le Sserafim, Ive, new jeans etc perform in 2023.

@haespa2767 Жыл бұрын

AESPA??

@shinigagamimi Жыл бұрын

aespa only had one comeback that was promoted for like 5 seconds, them not making that much noise all year round makes sense tbh

@aeyoutubeteam6243 Жыл бұрын

OH please aespa had their best selling album this year making it the MOST SOLD FEMALE KPOP ALBUM ever for months.

@haespa2767 Жыл бұрын

@@shinigagamimi they made noise tho specially with them performing at Coachella

@yujiminmylove Жыл бұрын

but aespa only comeback with one mini album and less than a week music show performances :") but still girls album is the most selling 4th gen kpop girl group's album though!

@ReBOOting_YT Жыл бұрын

With the boyz as well, the group has been pretty mismanaged with them being constantly overworked and members Eric and Sunwoo leaving temporarily due to mental health concerns. Not only did their company give them songs that were mixed reception wise, but they also worked them to the bone

@prettybabyyeji7413 Жыл бұрын

IST really f*cked up TBZ, they were almost at the peak of career at that time and IST ruined it for them not only that but also overworked them left and right and didn't bother protecting Eric from the massive hate he was getting which caused his hiatus, do i even have to get started on how TBZ's recent comeback music video looked like they got a short end of a stick in comparison to IST's groups comebacks-

@PlanetMinjae Жыл бұрын

I wonder if the company merge caused a shift in how the groups been run the past 2 years..

@mariz6449 Жыл бұрын

@@PlanetMinjae After the transition to IST, everything went downhill. Even to the other groups in it like Weekly. Theyre been so overworked, plus the stylist? sucks.. I hope cre.ker would go back or like just like how they were handled before. This gives off the "solo fave child suddenly having a step mom that sucks"

@helenzhang8039 Жыл бұрын

I'm genuinely so worried about itzy. It's like after Sneakers everything they release gets so much hate from the public regardless if its good or not. I really hope Cheshire can redeem them because they deserve so much more than they got.

@yutisima Жыл бұрын

honesty since MITM I've seen people hating their songs hard??? like i loved MITM, and i LOOOVED Loco, but people didn't really like it apparently?? and were saying they lost their spark... yeah i didn't like sneakers either, but i feel everyone says theyre flopping hard but theyre like, the most succesful they've been, sneakers was HUGE in korea, and they're doing very well. thankfully people seem to like cheshire a lot, and are talking about ITZY "redeeming" themselves (which i hate)

@yosh2010 Жыл бұрын

Their were many fake fans from other fandoms spamming midzy about sneakers and the hate train has been since debut for not only Itzy as a group but each member has gotten hate since debut :/

@vivian-lh4vh Жыл бұрын

nah because sneakers and boys like you was WACK plus Cheshire was boring af, don’t get me wrong I love itzy but their comebacks this year was NOT it..

@zosiexofficial Жыл бұрын

@@yutisima I mean Mafia in The Morning and Loco are AMAZING songs. I've never understood hate for these songs. Like literally Loco is one of their best releases. But sneakers... let's be honest it's not that good. No wonder they started flopping

@ToriCake95 Жыл бұрын

@@zosiexofficial Agreed.

@clarayoo7244 Жыл бұрын

how people don't liking Beautiful Monster by STAYC? the moment i'm done listening to it, i'm crying because that's such a beautiful song. the lyrics, melody, outfits, concept. don't argue me about poppy, that debut is loved by Japanese AND Korean surprisingly and many idols have been listening to Poppy so much that they don't hesitate to dance the chorus part when the fans ask them on fansign online and offline.

@lazyone4142 Жыл бұрын

It's just me and you who gets beautiful monster. I personally think it's their best comeback and made me their fans even though I been knowing them since their debut.

@pr3ttyhijabi Жыл бұрын

the vocals sounded a bit to jarring for me on beautiful monster

@youngros_one_way_ticket Жыл бұрын

I love like love beautiful monster a lot and poppy is on my mind all day. I was really surprised when i found out that people didn't like them

@Lunatic_1 Жыл бұрын

I'm also love beautiful monster especially Seeun part, it was beautiful

@namjoonslostairpods3673 Жыл бұрын

people have different taste in music not every song is going to be everyones' cup of tea.

@ambiguousness Жыл бұрын

increase in physical sales doesn't say anything about a group's popularity. the best example i can give is weeekly. their album of ven para is their best sold album, but we all know how that comeback went... usually if a group has a really good comeback (like after school) their next album will most likely have more sales because a lot of people were introduced to the group by that comeback and are now expecting a similar comeback so they pre-order the album or just buy it before they heard the songs in it.

@villain__9 Жыл бұрын

I agree because pre-order exists and so people don't know what the album is gonna sound like

@onceortwiceooh Жыл бұрын

I agree. I think newer or less informed fans see the increase and think it’s because of that comeback but it’s not that simple. Kpop fans preorder not knowing what the new song will sound like but they’re also buying since they loved the previous comeback and want to support a group that is expected to make them happy again. So a lot of increases in sales is based on what they put out previously though there are expectations. Weeekly I suspect will see an album sale drop next time since ven para did so bad.

@mihanni2214 Жыл бұрын

@@onceortwiceooh Not just because people didn't like Ven Para, but because of how long they've gone without a comeback and their very little promotion

@naruquevada1457 Жыл бұрын

I just saw his final words in the fancon, and it breaks my heart to know that the boyz think that this was their hardest, weakest and saddest year, but thanks to their fans they were able to endure it, they also promised to try harder next year with the 11 members together, I just hope that your company does support you correctly this time, let's hope that next year, it will be a much better year for the boys.

@avainspired Жыл бұрын

i feel like each year it gets harder and harder for kpop groups to stay relevant and interesting. the vibes are just so different from how they were in the past and a lot of groups feel almost directionless. itzy flopping is so strange to me because in 2019 they were the blue print and inspired a whole new sound in kpop and they lost that? i can't tell if I'm getting out of kpop or that kpop music has just become more stagnant because its been hard to even stay in love with my favorite group's music anymore. i just kinda miss the fun vibes of kpop

@ArtIsDrawing Жыл бұрын

I stopped stanning Itzy since 'loco' but their sneakers song was okay..

@_c-yq4xo Жыл бұрын

tbh when itzy first debuted, their songs were so good new; but as they released more music, their sound just became boring and repetitive with their whole "i love myself, i dont give a duck" concept. i left the fandom in "icy" era and i can't really blame people for leaving now tbh

@samanthakim5035 Жыл бұрын

Yes, *true.* Tbh, it doesn’t feel same anymore And now I just let myself stream the songs I like and won’t force myself(even the girl groups I stan) to stream that song.

@small_dropin_the_big_ocean995 Жыл бұрын

I know right. I started K-pop only around 2018-19 but the way the entire industry is moving along with fans, I feel something huge is missing. Where's the part when we were suppose to enjoy the music, friendly interaction with our faves and interaction of their faves with other groups instead of counting which group is selling the best, who fell out and who is behind the trend? Also, stanning or quickly unstanning a group for one or two songs, praising groups for a year like queens and then moving on to someone new and call them queens again? What's happening? 😭

@RYULISTIC Жыл бұрын

the kpop group that can still be relevant is bts and blackpink tbh

@ellagarrison6783 Жыл бұрын

Stay C just always has that exciting and interesting sound when it comes to their music. They are always up for new sounds with every song. That’s why they are one of my favorite 4th gen girl groups. Side note here guys admits all the scandals and rumors that Kpop has been through this year we need to stay by all these groups side and support them till the end. They are talented and they deserve our love. Forget all fan wars. We need to all come together because we all have something in common. We want the best for these Kpop groups.

@JayZinger Жыл бұрын

Im surprised you didnt add Kepler. Sure Wa Da Da was successful but they had a very slow decline with their next two releases. Up didnt chart as well as Wa Da Da and We Fresh flopped hard. Not to mention their album sales are slowly decreasing.

@dagarou Жыл бұрын

I'm biased here, but I think that more than flopping people was tired because of so much exposure. I really hope Wakeone will at least try with the next comeback. If not, then they will definitely flop 😢

@wonderlucky1912 Жыл бұрын

I like Kep1er and I think it’s because fans and non-fans either liked their wa da da concept and song and for those who didn’t like their first comeback Up! Song/concept. •I think that people have a mixed opinion on their concept and their title track songs. And I see people liking their b-side songs from their albums they have released in this year. •I really hope Kep1er’s company Wakeone can find a concept and a title track song that can suit all of the members for next year.

@Lemon_eee Жыл бұрын

Not really, wing wing was the highest charting kpop gg song of the year in Japan and peaked at 3 on bb Japan Hot 100. Their other releases charted well in Japan as well. They also broke their first week sales with troubleshooter and became million sellers. Even if their two later releases didn’t do as well on kchart as their debut, they’ve been dominating Japan this entire year and been doing incredibly well internationally.

@wonderlucky1912 Жыл бұрын

@@Lemon_eee Thank you for sharing. I am happy Kep1er is doing good in Japan and internationally. I hope Kep1er does better in Korea.

@zzkng1 Жыл бұрын

nahhhh i disagree. their album sales are pretty strong for a gg not from a big company. i think the main thing is just they’re not doing as well as many anticipated after gp999’s massive success. but compared to the groups in this list that debuted a couple years ago (obviously g friend for viviz even though they debuted this year) and had successful hits in the past (eg itzys first tracks will never be lived up to then stayc too) i don’t thjnk it would be fair to say kepler as a rookie group is flopping in the same way. they just don’t have as much initial domestic success. as someone else said, they’re popular in japan, and also internationally will have even more loyal fans once they’re managed a bit better

@beccabowen4292 Жыл бұрын

Tbh, i understand how some people may not really like stayc's new releases, but at the same time I'm confused on why some stans want groups to stay so static. I absolutely love each and every song of their discography because they're so talented that they can pull off these different genres. Poppy caught me off guard, I'm a huge fan of that nostalgic 00s Eurobeat sound, beautiful Monster wasn't an immediate first love but I keep playing it non stop in my head! I truly hope this doesn't stop them from continuing to make music because they're one of the only ggs that I love every single song from, apart from le seraffim, because they seem so fresh and innovative

@lxlxxl6217 Жыл бұрын

No cus I heard poppy for the first time and after the third listen I absolutely loved it! Like it’s just so fun and cute I understand if people aren’t into that type of sound but personally it’s so pleasant to listen to

@beccabowen4292 Жыл бұрын

@@lxlxxl6217 true! It's sad seeing people unstan and say that groups flop when these releases show versatility and very good production work! I personally don't really like slow songs but I really like there's, even tho they may not be a constant playlist piece. I think I'll support them anyway, because the talent is there and they're truly unique, hopefully their sales and streams become higher next year!

@youdontknowme8503 Жыл бұрын

Ive noticed people recently only follow who’s popular and leave those they think arent. Its the bandwagon stanning / unstanning. Theres no winning either way though. If they remain static people will hate on thwm like what happened with momoland. If they dont, then they also get hate like now with stayc

@meikoluvv Жыл бұрын

@@youdontknowme8503 literally they bandwagon who’s popular

@badsnowman Жыл бұрын

@@youdontknowme8503 true, everyone just went with the new big 3 of ive, new jeans and le sserafim like they are the only groups making good music and forgot the other 20+ groups who are older and have been making hits since these groups were trainees, like red velvet, their latest comeback is amazing and probably one of the best songs of the year and they are the only group who can pull that off, but people's tastes have gone towards fresh teenager stuff like fearless and attention, hype boy so they won't be able to recognize the greatness of groups like stayc, fromis_9, red velvet...it's just how the new generation is, they like easy stuff that sound fun and you don't have to think about it too much, you can just dance to it and not try to understand the story, even mvs now seem to just show the idols as being badass and having expensive outfits and complicated vfx instead of wanting to tell a story...it is a bit sad, we should probably hold onto the older groups, we might not hear songs like seventeen's fear or got7's fly ever again

@roa2558 Жыл бұрын

It's crazy how JYP dropped 13838183 teasers for Sneakers and then didn't promote Chesire at all

@roa2558 Жыл бұрын

@@ronmaker8224 really? They never promoted Got7 and Day6 properly, and most people didn't even know Itzy were having a comeback

@ToriCake95 Жыл бұрын

@@roa2558 Speak the truuuuth.

@clover2739 Жыл бұрын

@Ronmaker jyp are known for bad promotions? What the hell are you talking about? 😭

@roa2558 Жыл бұрын

@@xenoglossy2911 that's literally the bare minimum for big companies (except for yg because they're dogshit at basically everything)

@redloona1085 Жыл бұрын

and it was still their best year lmao crazy right

@raikoouu Жыл бұрын

cheshire not doing good on kcharts is due to the lack of promotion. they have no radio shows or variety shows to go to; reading the melon comments under cheshire made me understand it even more, A LOT of korean fans are saying cheshire is one of their best releases but they didnt even know itzy would have a comeback due to the lack of promo. its really sad to see jype treat itzy like this when they’re pushing their 4th year soon.. as a midzy it hurts cause the girls deserve soooo much better

@popgirlhan Жыл бұрын

‘lack of promotion’ they just realized it and already started promoting on music shows and promoted it on mama as well stop making excuses its okay to say knetzs just lost interest in them 😂

@popgirlhan Жыл бұрын

cheshire was good but sadly gp will never hype their goods songs so jyp makes them release only kidz bop and bad music so at least get some attention which upsets me too 😕😕

@ingusch3783 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree! For Sneakers, we got teasers galore - for Cheshire, I just woke up the other day and happened to see a channel's review, so I was like ??? "They released a new song?!"

@villain__9 Жыл бұрын

I dissagree, i don't keep up with itzy that much but even i saw that they're having a comeback.

@SlayerJoe Жыл бұрын

@@popgirlhan I think they’re referring to shows outside of music shows. Interviews, game shows, mukbangs etc. with Sneakers they did a LOT of promotion, which to be fair was the main focus of their tour, but Cheshire is the type of song that needs to be pushed because it’s more addictive and catchier, so once people hear it, it will be stuck in their head but not all knetz watch the music shows which was the point of the og commenter

@Wassup.Bree08 Жыл бұрын

In Beautiful Monster era Isa had hurt her leg, some members got covid, Yoon got hate for her singing, and they competed with groups like njs, itzy, Nayeon, and girl generation. I felt bad for my girls cause their one of my ults and Im hoping they can get their momentum back

@straawberryy Жыл бұрын

For itzy i REALLY hope jyp steps up their game with itzys music again...itzy just deserves the best and it really pains me to see how much they are hated nowadays

@kiravarga3880 Жыл бұрын

I 100% agree. They are my biggest ults and when I tell you I literally cried because I thought I will fall out of interest if Jyp follows this path. They literally were getting the middle child treatment. Their songs were just not good even as a really big fan. I didn't even stream boys like you. And the controversy around Yuna being a pick me and them being called flops in every platform. This was a hard year for Itzy :((. But let's hope next year Jyp does something.

@straawberryy Жыл бұрын

@@kiravarga3880 yeah they are my ults as well i fedl exactly the same :/ let's hope 2023 will be kinder to itzy

@cheriesammy Жыл бұрын

I'm glad Cheshire was good. The best itzy tt imo

@alfonsa2292 Жыл бұрын

Tbh although sneakers song wasn’t that good, it did chart pretty well and had decent sales. This proves itzy’s solid fanbase which they have built over the years thats supports them even when the music isn’t that good. Also sneakers was fine for me although it sounds way too much like a commercial.

@yutisima Жыл бұрын

@@alfonsa2292yeah, amd something people don't consider is that, even if the international public didnt really like it, it did VERY well in korea, so, no, no flopping. people blame JYPE but they do know what they're doing, and they're not gonna try to ruin their own groups

@maurariverav Жыл бұрын

so many ppl unstan stayc and their hate train is so bad 😭 poppy didn’t help either … beautiful monster wasn’t so bad imo but a lot of people think it’s the hate train every GG goes thru after a couple months when people move onto a new gg to gush over

@maurariverav Жыл бұрын

yoon ate in bm

@Pollo.a.la.crema. Жыл бұрын

Poppy is amazing…

@nb9305 Жыл бұрын

But poppy was a bop 🤩

@leilaistired Жыл бұрын

Poppy is also going viral so idk what you're talking about 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

@TalkingAboutYooh Жыл бұрын

Poppy is a fun song. Glad they gave Yoon the high note as I was expecting Sieun to get it.

@patrickonaleash1979 Жыл бұрын

this year have been a hard one for the boyz and the members have themselves stated how hard it was for them. while i can understand people/casual stans not liking their last 3 korean comebacks because i actually feel the same too as a deobi i think most of the blame goes to the company. from not being able to protect their artist ( which caused one of the members to go into hiatus for almost a year ) they started on the wrong foot this year , repeatedly overworking the members, no proper promotions for their comeback, they didn't have a comeback showcase, they never released a dance practice video for whisper, the members had to write their songs in their hotel rooms during tours, also the comeback was super rushed because apparently the members knew only the chorus of the dance when the mv was released and also the comeback posters had lots of grammatical errors which speaks a lot about how the company thought it would be a quick money making scheme for them .and this is just a brief of how the company themselves keep sabotaging tbz's success. there are multiple accounts where the company looks like they aren't even trying at this point. also the timing for the comeback because music shows were cancelled throughout that week because of heavy rains in Korea. this also lead to decrease in their first day sales because kdeobis weren't able to buy the albums in-store bc of the rain. so this year as a whole was really just unfortunate for the boyz.

@prettybabyyeji7413 Жыл бұрын

2022 was truly a vile year for TBZ, Eric got BOMBARDED with alots of hate at that time when he did nothing wrong and the company didn't even bother doing anything to stop it:( and on top of that, the group was OVERWORKED very much

@mariz6449 Жыл бұрын

I just hope IST would be better next year, not just for the boyz but also for weekly. Gosh, bring back cre.ker

@aSUGAaddiction Жыл бұрын

I really like StayC and "Beautiful Monster" is on my playlist. All their title tracks have been but I esp liked this one. I'm a casual stan and was surprised by the backlash (tho I shouldn't after the fiasco that was Weeekly's cb) also now that Hyuna has left PNation, I hope she concentrates on re-establishing her music identity. Yes, Cube is trash but we got bops from her Cube era. Im still a stan for her (we stan a queen) so I'm hoping for the best for her personally and musically.

@trifu5802 Жыл бұрын

To be honest, I'm very surprised for Gidle's outcome. But I'm glad it's that! I thought they would 'flop' but I clearly was wrong 😅

@sunnydale1248 Жыл бұрын

I mean you would have to be delusional to include them in a 'flop' list this year they really defied the odds against them

@shrey5973 Жыл бұрын

U should never underestimate them they really said we never die n released their album I never die they truly have the potential to be the successful group

@a-velazquez8703 Жыл бұрын

They literally comeback with and album named I NEVER DIE, they totally come to win.

@cherissetillman8973 Жыл бұрын

Well the fans are loyal. To be honest to me Tomboy and Nude are just bad. Tomboy sounds like a knock off of an Avril Lavigne song and Nude production to flow to mv was just bad. But again fans are loyal. They're not going to say it's bad. Loyal fans are going to continue to support and say it was good. So...

@txtgidle1264 Жыл бұрын

@@cherissetillman8973 lol there is nothing like "Loyal" fans. I still remember how much hate (G)I-dle got due to Soojin's departure. Many of them unstanned them as well. (G)I-dle got more fans & boost up their popularity after tomboy & nxde actually. It's ok if you don't like these two songs but for me & many of them, these two songs are so good. Not only the title track, "My bag", "Never stop me" , "Villain dies" , "Escape", "Dark(X-file)" , 'change', "Reset" these beside tracks from their recent albums are so good as well

@aespain Жыл бұрын

Musically viviz slays, their bsides are so good

@reyinsnow Жыл бұрын

Tbh I became a deobi this year.... she's the boss and whisper were my absolute favorite. I went through their discography, and I must say no air salty whiplash thrill ride are all bops.... I am sure they are soon going to get big, the sound they have is rare to see in boy groups these days and of course the members chemistry makes their content fun to watch

@cvbb Жыл бұрын

THEY WILL, TRUST THEM.

@kmi1209 Жыл бұрын

It definitely wasn’t The Boyz best year. Eric going on hiatus, world tour without a break and a bad treat from their company that only see them as a money maker. As a deobi it hurts me so much seeing them like that🤧. Now that finally Eric is back and they just had a beautiful concert with their fans they seem a lot happier. I wish they best for my boys next year💖

@iz444 Жыл бұрын

i swear their company doesn't see them as person but a money machine

@zacharikurbah6358 Жыл бұрын

SinB said that the girls didn't know that Mago would be their last comeback as a group, all of them were crying, they were the ones who save Source Music, the company did them dirty, the 7 year contract hasn't ended but disbanded after 6 years, I love how Viviz deal through their time in Queendom 2, Mnet always pisses me off, Mnet deserves to be dissed a lot by artists

@BrandonBrown-sw8tk Жыл бұрын

For me, beautiful monster is such a bop, everything about it was amazing. Firstly the song itself rocks, no empty chorus, the verses are heavenly, the aesthetic of the comeback is somewhat soft but nostalgic, the outfits are awesome, there's no such thing as a certain theme a group should stick to, experimenting with concepts and genres is what any group should do, if not the group would start producing boring songs that have the same melodies and are the same theme, it will be called recycling not producing, and stayc wants to avoid that, so they tweaked the song a little, it wasn't a drastic change of concept, it's still very cute and poppy, just a little more dependent on vocals and small instrumental additions, still keeping the electronic and poppy sounds of their songs, I think that beautiful monster is one of stayc's better songs in their discography as it has a different charm to it, and that's the beauty behind stayc in general, they explore new sounds and genres every comeback while not straying away from their general concept.

@tusjinn9274 Жыл бұрын

Itzy should’ve had a hiatus so that we could actually be demanding for the next comeback no matter how bad the song is. But no, JYP decided to push Itzy into the competition where ggs are in their fiercest. We got Ive, Gidle, Lesserafim, Newjeans all coming with creative and good songs. I blame JYP for everything

@redloona1085 Жыл бұрын

🔥With cheshire itzy surpassed one million sales and became the second gg in the history who has one million sales for more than one album like bp / first gg in fourth generation / first jyp gg 🔥Cheshire made itzy as the first kpop female artist (solo + groups ) who has the longest running period in billboard top current album sales 🔥They became the second gg in the history who spent more than 50 weeks on billboard world album charts 🔥They are the second gg in the history who surpassed more than 30 weeks in the billboard top album sales 🔥Group with most entries to the billboard independent and tastesmaker album sales with twice (4 entries ) 🔥Became the third gg in the kpop history to enter billboard 200 more than three times 🔥Cheshire became the second most trending fourth generation song just after nxde gidle 🔥It became number 1 of european itunes charts and number 1 of 12 itunes album charts 🔥number 1 of 5 itunes song charts 🔥They also became second best selling gg in world united album sales 🔥 they became the most followed fourth generation gg / super gg /highest third gg in spotify wrapped artists 🔥 third most streamed kpop gg 🔥 fourth most streamed gg in the world 🔥 sixth most streamed gg in usa 🔥 highest ranking fourth generation gg in world music album sales with aespa and twice 🔥 they increased their followers in spotify and basically itzy has the biggest increase in biggest digital platforms in the world (fourth generation , in top 3) yeah Itzy FLOPPED SO HARD.

@agatorkq2878 Жыл бұрын

Itzy's "Cheshire" is sooo good! It's their moment to gain their fandom back! Same goes with Twice, many people did hate Scientist for being boring, but since Talk that talk came out it became my fav song from their discography. I think JYP needs to fire someone responsible for song's choice (probably himself LOL) for making it looking like sinusoid more than linear growth in popularity.

@ingusch3783 Жыл бұрын

JYP the person is actually not that involved in the company's decisions anymore, I think. Also, for as corny as I find the man to be, he HAS proven that he's got a good hunch for hit songs, as he's produced many during his career. I think Itzy, like Twice and other Jyp-groups, have kind of separate teams - so, like, Twice songs and Itzy songs aren't curated by the same people, usually. I remember JYP talking about this system of theirs at a shareholder presentation a few years ago. Edit: forgot to add that in the end, I still agree with you overall: Itzy's team seriously needs to change direction, or rather focus on one creative direction and produce a coherent discography.

@alexanderuseda4847 Жыл бұрын

There is a lot of difference between Scientist and Sneakers. Scientist from the concept photos showed all the costumes and what concept TWICE was going to use. In that era there was a lot of speculation that it was going to be a slow song and it was. The song was not liked because it was cute and not mature. the song was not that good. Besides that Nayeon had said that the song was more relaxed and not explosive like The Feels. They sold you on the concept that it was just that the song wasn't good. With Sneakers they did clipbait. They showed concept photos that had nothing to do with the cb. That mature, royalty and elegant concept was not there. The fandom despite the deception since he was selling them something else gave him the opportunity. When Sneakers came out it got worse because the song wasn't good. Itzy had come with Loco a great song and Mafia uff. This created the worst thing that can be created for a "Trust Issues" fandom and many left and stopped supporting. TWICE Jihyo on TTT had said that the costumes were already all in the teasers and one was missing. The only problem with TTT was the lack of promotion. The TWICE girls put on their boots and took it upon themselves to know how to handle the fandom. The fandom with Scientist did not go away. They just didn't like it and that's it. They only stressed that the B-sides were better. And it is that FOL has coherence songs with different rhythms but they all have something in common they end up talking about love. The album talks about love for wso is called Fornula of Love and they fit well with the concepts also showing a maturity that was wanted for Scientist. Checkmate is a disaster. Sneakers a song that talks about shoes. Racer a racing song. What I want, Free Fallen and 365 have nothing to do with the concept of chess or elegance or royalty. Domino is the only one whose existence makes sense, so it is a song that sounds like princesses. It doesn't make sense with anything and there are songs that don't match the album. It's going to be hard to win back fandom for Itzy. TWICE did not lose fandom on the contrary they got bigger despite not having a good TT

@alexanderuseda4847 Жыл бұрын

I don't know. I think is going be difficult. It's like a hit that You can't go back. But I hope that Itzy become what it was

@alexanderuseda4847 Жыл бұрын

@@ingusch3783 JYP was collaborating for Sneakers and he is the decision maker too. He has already said it. JYP was raising the bar with Cheshire saying it was Itzy's best cb and his favorite song. He participated in the cb. He has said it. If Cheshire is the best song for him, then it has bad taste because it didn't even come close to surpassing Wannabe or Loco. Stop praising JYP. He leads the NMIXX project. NMIXX is doing terrible, it has neither Korean nor international acceptance. He is playing with his groups and does not accept his mistake. He is not involved in the promotions and other parts of the company but in music. he is doing a bad job. Checkmate had never been released. They Made the END of Itzy

@alexanderuseda4847 Жыл бұрын

Also if they want to gain their fandom again. MIDZY need to learn that right now Itzy is in flop. They are not doing great. They have to know they are going down. Whatever if You like Sneakers or Cheshire yes or not. You know the situation of Itzy and is not going good. If the fandom become more toxic like armys when many armys said "BTS English era is the worst, this is not BTS" They literally didn't accept. Yet yo Cole showed how they lose fandom because of people who wasn't intereted in them. They still doing good BTS but the fandom that was with them in their debut or previous era is not there anymore only toxics fans. Yes, when BTS accept the error of making English releases the fandom that they lose they go back. Not all but hey they gained them again. MIDZY need to know that and accept that is not the Best way for Itzy and is not Itzy style. If MIDZY understand that. That people who was Lost they are going to be Back because of the better released and both are going to collaborate to make Itzy bigger

@bakedsoobs Жыл бұрын

stayc reminds me of when red velvet came out with bad boy back in 2018, i had been stanning since icc, so it was noticeable with the new wave of fans. so many groups were copying and being inspired by the outfits in the bad boy mv as well, the black and white checkered outfits were everywhere on nugu ggs. when they came out with power up, they lost so many “fans” and had so many complaints. the one thing about red velvet is that they NEVER do the same concept again, so ofc those bandwagon fans didn’t know. when rbb was announced they still believed it would be like bad boy, which it wasn’t and was also heavily criticized. rbb was definitely ahead of its time and i’m proud to have been a reveluv throughout it all, rv never miss!!! beautiful monster is rlly good, the song, concept. kpop stans irritate me bro😭i’m grateful for stayc honestly, they brought something new to the game, their mv concepts their outfits their hairstyles, and the music is so good too. that’s all u rlly need to be a successful group, good music and something fresh and new. that’s one of the main reasons newjeans is so popular and creating trends, or making them more popular. my top artist are txt, le sserafim, stayc, newjeans, rv, and a couple honorable mentions, ive and enha, tho i do still listen to other groups. not to mention the chemistry between the members is VERY important

@riqu.e Жыл бұрын

couldn't have said it better. This is exactly how I feel about StayC and I honestly don't think they flopped because of beautiful monster. They stayed relevant all over the year I dont really get the point of saying that they "flopped" without analyzing their activities, StayC was very popular at KCON, touring with Music Bank, performing on MMA... I don't think thats flopping at all.

@guadalupemontoya1819 Жыл бұрын

Bandwagon fans are one of my biggest gripes with Kpop. For one, they are way more prevalent with girl groups, who need to keep up the momentum each comeback, while boy groups tend to have the more solid fan bases who will stick around through less successful comebacks. Plus they never actually know what they want from a group. Red Velvet got a new sound, eww, go back. Momoland comebacks all sound the same, ugh, no variety. For a girl group to have a solid fan base, I feel like the public wants them to not just be idols, they need to diversify more. Blackpink have a solid base but produce almost no music. Girls Generation has each member keeping relevant to the Korean general public and bring in interest despite the long hiatus. Apink and Twice are the only exemptions I find to this as they have been largely group focused, but they too can’t bring the huge results of before. Not to mention that even I have trouble stanning girl groups because I just conclude that they won’t be around for long so why bother?! Girl groups have it rough.

@mooncomet111 Жыл бұрын

Tbh that's what I love about rv they always make something new

@PastelN01r Жыл бұрын

honestly i LOVE viviz and it really got me with Bop Bop and Loveade, two really sweet songs with great productions that are just really fun to listen to, some of my favorites of the year. i'll never get the hate ngl

@aaelr.740 Жыл бұрын

Love you like was also amazing imo!

@anniiimay Жыл бұрын

Love love love is a hidden gem

@kangjojo7067 Жыл бұрын

it’s so weird when people say stayc fell off because they’ve only had one comeback that didn’t do well, beautiful monster. and that still got a couple wins if i’m not mistaken & was at least top 100 on melon. the thing is, before that they released run2u which may not be everyone’s cup of tea but it charted so well, top 5 on all charts i think. their producers try to give them different sounds while still keeping them very stayc. i don’t mind not enjoying all their songs because it’s very admirable being a group that tries to grow. as for people unstaning them, it’s partly the ones who got bored and decided to pay attention to newer groups (till they get bored of them too). it’s a very shallow way of being a fan, just waiting for the next “toy” to show up. and the ones who just don’t vibe with their music anymore, that’s just valid because music is like that.

@nylnd6211 Жыл бұрын

and thankfully gidle is not on this list. even tho they were on every kpop youtubers prediction list "groups will flop/disband in 2022" yet they came off even stronger and became one of the most popular groups this year. their growth is actually crazy

@nothankkyouu Жыл бұрын

so sad for itzy cause i absolutely LOVED their japanese releases this year i has no idea they didn’t do well. i didn’t like sneakers but boys like you grew on me a chershire was amazing!!! i hope things go up for them next year

@asdfghjkl1760 Жыл бұрын

actually they did. sneakers charted really long its just some people didn't vibe w sneakers so they automatically claimed it to be flop. itzy by far did not flop this year, people need to do decent research before making these videos and not go off on comments

@PlanetMinjae Жыл бұрын

@@asdfghjkl1760 everything I said in this video was researched and that was very obvious if u actually watched the video, u can say I'm wrong but you're just lying if u think I didn't put in the proper work 💝

@asdfghjkl1760 Жыл бұрын

I did and based of what i saw, in a logic sense you are wrong. You said itzy was one of your fav groups, yet you failed to realize their achievements they got this year alone. Yes, maybe sneakers wasn’t well loved w everyone but it did do well and not everyone is hating it. It’s pointless and rude to call these groups flops , no one really flops.They're everything but flops. These videos are unnecessary. I wouldn’t be proud or call it proper work on making these types of videos. Now, i didn't get the feeling you hate these groups but maybe u should have used a more respectful title or way to go with it. In general but towards new gen kpoppies: The standards some of you have are unrealistic and dumb.

@ToriCake95 Жыл бұрын

@@asdfghjkl1760 But it was a flop compared to their other title tracks.

@kimikon3026 Жыл бұрын

BOP BOP is catchy and a fun easy choreo. Most played in my Playlist this year.

@chelleange1s Жыл бұрын

im not super familiar with the boyz, but it seems IST is going through problems. they’re doing better than weeekly, but IST is just doing horrible with their groups.

@bluekimseokjin2440 Жыл бұрын

beautiful monster and bop bop were so good 🥲🥲🥲

@Pollo.a.la.crema. Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think he’s trolling

@unsmartasian4454 Жыл бұрын

What is really sad with ITZY is that they didn't just have a bad year...they had probably one of the worst years of a pop group ever. K-pop groups rely A LOT on casual listeners because unless you are BTS or BLACKPINK, you don't have enough die-hard fans to keep you afloat even when you flop. Usually once a kpop group has a bad title track you can see in their views for the next comeback, they plummet. We could see this for TWICE after Scientist their views dropped a lot. ITZY didn't have just one bad comeback this year, they had 4 bad or mediocre comebacks. They lost a HUGE amount of their fanbase and the girls and JYP will need to do SO MUCH work to gain back those casual listeners.

@redloona1085 Жыл бұрын

2022 was possibly their best year lmaoo 🔥With cheshire itzy surpassed one million sales and became the second gg in the history who has one million sales for more than one album like bp / first gg in fourth generation / first jyp gg 🔥Cheshire made itzy as the first kpop female artist (solo + groups ) who has the longest running period in billboard top current album sales 🔥They became the second gg in the history who spent more than 50 weeks on billboard world album charts 🔥They are the second gg in the history who surpassed more than 30 weeks in the billboard top album sales 🔥Group with most entries to the billboard independent and tastesmaker album sales with twice (4 entries ) 🔥Became the third gg in the kpop history to enter billboard 200 more than three times 🔥Cheshire became the second most trending fourth generation song just after nxde gidle 🔥It became number 1 of european itunes charts and number 1 of 12 itunes album charts 🔥number 1 of 5 itunes song charts 🔥They also became second best selling gg in world united album sales 🔥 they became the most followed fourth generation gg / super gg /highest third gg in spotify wrapped artists 🔥 third most streamed kpop gg 🔥 fourth most streamed gg in the world 🔥 sixth most streamed gg in usa 🔥 highest ranking fourth generation gg in world music album sales with aespa and twice 🔥 they increased their followers in spotify and basically itzy has the biggest increase in biggest digital platforms in the world (fourth generation , in top 3) yeah Itzy FLOPPED SO HARD.

@euphoricinnit Жыл бұрын

beautiful monster was such a bop tho

@leaderstxt Жыл бұрын

I'm so sad that I need to agree about Hyuna (she is my female ub since 2011 so it's really painful) but as you said I blame this on PNation. Even Hyuna mentioned that PSY wants them to have his style, clown dancing etc... I'm glad that Hyuna left that circus, please comeback with a bop my Queen.

@hyunjaelee9028 Жыл бұрын

2022 is just a hard year for the boyz, so many sad and unfortunate things happen to them. Eric on hiatus is one of the reason they lost some of the fans im pretty sure 2023 is gonna be a better year for them and running hard together as deobi and the boyz❤

@yxmazaki4410 Жыл бұрын

I honestly think The Boyz are more easily put in a dangerous position in terms of popularity then big 4 boygroups or boygroups that are more visible internationally. It's undeniable that The Boyz were less talked about internationally but kept their pretty large and reliable korean fanbase this year. I just genuinely think that some other groups can do worst in terms of music then what they did previously and still continue to rise. And it's just sad to see how it goes for groups that relies more on a Korean fanbase or the gp. I also tend to not really like their japanese tts, I think they should have kept STB 100% rnb, sweet is a bop, and for a deobi like me that was here since debut, I was very pleased with whisper, I think in 2021 they just got a bunch of fans liking different stuff and not really knowing what The Boyz sounds like and those fans easily got deceived. Also, I wish you talked about how they were mismanaged, a big reason they kept going viral was because of "haus of a team" and their stylists, both creating crazy visuals, and they got rid of them after the merge. The budget seems to have been passed down to the new ist group, very much promoted as tbz juniors despite not being from Creker. No comeback showcase, no dance practice, very few music shows, them attending nugu festivals everyday to bring back money that won't be used for them. No Eric for 10 months and kpop channel news only mentioned it, leaving out the reason why... then Sunwoo going on hiatus too and nobody think there's a big issue. They also prepared the comeback while on their world tour... It was a bad year with the exception of them meeting so much fans. And I don't think anything can make me sad at this moment, we got a 2 day fancon with all the members and it was filled to the brim like every of their seoul concerts and it was fun, 2022 was a bad year for so many reasons but 2023 doesn't have to be bad if IST gets a grip (that's the scary part) ps= they also had to comeback at the end of 2022 but pushed it back and I'm actually happy about that, I'd like for them to prepare perfectly for it.

@naruquevada1457 Жыл бұрын

It's normal, I mean, groups aren't going to last forever, and The Boyz is close to disbanding, plus military service, so they're going to invest everything in junior groups to keep them going when The Boyz disband, it's happened before with other senior groups from other companies, so it doesn't surprise me, but it really saddens me that they get dirty like this, the lack of support from the company is noticeable, their goal is not to make them grow more, it is to earn as much money as possible before they the dissolution, so they don't care as much about quality as in previous years, I will still accompany them until the end, but it is very sad, I would like that at least my last memories with them were how I met them, but I don't know if it will be possible at this point, I still hope the best for the boys.

@asjsk8286 Жыл бұрын

@@naruquevada1457 if they go to the military they’ll still have kevin, jacob and eric on the group(bc they are canadian/ american), it’s so dumb if the decision their company is making is investing on their juniors who had 0 impact this year compared to other rookie groups

@Winnangh Жыл бұрын

I think there's a bit of cognitive dissonance for buddies at play with Viviz. A lot of people thought Viviz would continue Gfriend's sound, which puzzled me a lot when Bop Bop came out. I wasn't surprised at all by their sound, but I think it's because I'd seen their radio-performance of S.E.S's Just a Feeling by then. Watching it primed me for their style, and their sound clicked in place immediately for me. This confusion is of course not the only reason, maybe not even the main reason that Viviz isn't doing so well, but I think it contributes.

@Blue-Lights Жыл бұрын

To be honest, regarding Viviz and Kepler - the show Queendom totally exposed their weaknesses as a group and they were both scrutinized. After this show, both of their sales and views declined incredibly. People want performers and highly skilled artists and I don’t blame them one bit. Kepler, I don’t know but Viviz could come out of this if they start over in many aspects.

@bongwatersoop Жыл бұрын

Stayc didn’t flop. I need 4th gen kpop fans to understand what flopping is.

@okaysumin Жыл бұрын

@sophae_ Жыл бұрын

I would probably also add oneus in this list. I know we've yet to see them actually come back as 5 but they were gaining recognition and attention with same scent but then the ravn scandal happened, lots of people unstanned, and even the fandom is split in half and ready to fight each other any day and time. It's so sad to see a fandom that used to be one of the few safe spaces on Twitter become this aggressive. Some believe they'll find success like idle did, but it was never this bad with Soojin's departure, people still were eager to see what idle will do, whereas here everyone has suddenly lost interest, plus oneus's current popularity is nowhere near idle's during the hwaa era.

@alenec Жыл бұрын

I loved our fandom so much as it was way more peaceful compared to most other fandoms, and then this incident happened. I love their sound so much, and as a ToMoon it's becoming hard, for me as their music will probably sound a lil different after Ravn's departure as he partook in the production process of the songs. I will still support the boys as much as I did before nonetheless. And it's also depressing to see the fandom so divided, and so up against each other's throats if their opinions don't match up

@Rin-vj4wg Жыл бұрын

Honestly I really love viviz their albums are really good and memorable to me they already succeeded in achievements as gfriend members and soloists so having viviz is a gift to me

@multiomi Жыл бұрын

I disagree with you on Viviz, so so much. Not on the queendom 2 stand though, for that one you got a point, or for the numbers without a doubt too. But about Loveade being better than bop bop I don't agree, nor do I agree with Viviz being on that list. They didn't do great, but I think that the term "flopping" is a bit too much to address their case. I feel like we should just wait and see what they're going to drop on 2023 to give them an actual statement.

@kimdaniel2601 Жыл бұрын

I don’t really follow any of these groups other than The Boyz casually. I didn’t like Whisper, Maverick gets skipped a lot now but I do like Thrill Ride. I will always give their comebacks a listen but they are hit or miss. I think what puts them most at risk is their company. They have the talent but smaller company groups can sink fast if the company can’t manage them well.

@RoyalViper1 Жыл бұрын

I’m so sad for Viviz… I love them so fucking much and I worry for them as well, I hope the company doesn’t give up on them like Hybe did :( Let’s hope 2023 is better for them, Viviz fighting!!💙💙💙 Let’s keep doing our best!! Edit: Midzy was literally done a BBC Sherlock, that’s so sad but Idk how to feel about it JDJDJDHS

@kevinscheeseballhair9720 Жыл бұрын

As a Deobi I’, sad that The Boyz made no noise at all this year despite all the hype from last year, due to them having a world tour, being overworked by their company and the lack of promo..

@meow_7th Жыл бұрын

Just don't use stayc and flop in the same sentence. Beaumon is not a flop, and will never be a flop.

@alolisa113 Жыл бұрын

This year was not-so-good for Kpop music wise. Maybe because of market saturation and competitiveness, many groups are getting more comebacks to stay relevant and maintain the public's interest and this creates a quantity over quality situation. It's nice to get more music and activity from our favorite groups and singers, but they deserve more rest. Also there's so much pressure to break records with EVERY SINGLE new release which is so stressful and not really necessary for the fans and groups themselves, but necessary for the company and investors. Unfortunately in this industry you have to fight for recognition.

@Orbitinbloom19018 Жыл бұрын

Literally have no idea why people think stayc fell of, theyre literally still one of the main girlies in kpop everyone still talks about them. I genuinely think monster was just made to diversify their tt’s. I love the soft feeling. Everyone is talking about poppy

@meikoluvv Жыл бұрын

Did you not watch this video?

@okaysumin Жыл бұрын

@@meikoluvvwhat's the point when he is putting up stupid arguments to prove his point. Poppy is litreally all amongst idols

@Chuu_Vault Жыл бұрын

i hope Stayc comeback stronger than ever

@thethingcalledlisa Жыл бұрын

I honestly thought that both "Poppy" and "Beautiful monster" were better than "run2you" and on a similar level to "stereotype" - "so bad" is still their best song in a my opinion and I'm biased to "ASAP" because it reminds me of so many good songs that came out at a similar time so seeing their last two releases 'flop' that much still doesn't make sense to me

@Chuu_Vault Жыл бұрын

@@thethingcalledlisa i still hope that their producers can give them more music like ASAP and So Bad, i like Run2U and M i don't like Poppy at all but i know that they can do better. I mean their producers make Fancy a reality. And also i wanna start the petition to all Swiths to request a full album with songs like So What Complex, So bad and Youngluv

@2FullMoons Жыл бұрын

I love Itzy and The Boyz, seriously, so much, but I have to agree sadly. It’s crazy to think that the last song from The Boyz I really liked was Breaking Dawn... I KNOW! Idk what happened and why they took this weird direction with Thrill Ride and Whisper, it’s like they are trying to have a more mature sound while keeping the bubbly bright concept they used to have but it just doesn’t work. I miss 2020 for the them, I feel like everybody and their mom was GAGGED when The Stealer came out and Checkmate is still my favorite song from them. As for Itzy... what do I even say... they started off this new era of girl groups but are failing at keeping up because of their company’s poor decisions in regards to the musical direction. But I have faith in both these groups, they just feel lost and uninspired right now but I am sure they will rise above it all. 🥺🖤

@staciii Жыл бұрын

Let's talk about MCND... 😂

@Kpopkin Жыл бұрын

jyp needs a new strategy for itzy, literally if they have to release three mvs, then they can have one genre in each mv such as: pop, hip-hop, dance and electronic music! in this way itzy can attract multiple fanbases and never free-fall off the charts

@redloona1085 Жыл бұрын

@justwalkin1928 Жыл бұрын

Can't believe people don't like beautiful monster..... Like it's literally one of the best release this year

@luisab3079 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful Monster is my favourite StayC song, but then again I wasn't really into their songs before so I guess it'd make sense that people who liked those songs wouldn't necessarily like this one. In general StayC and Itzy being here reminded me again of how quickly people seem to be cycling through girlgroups, always hyping the shiny new thing before quickly dropping them for the next, even shiner one.

@sooyaa8815 Жыл бұрын

I agree on Itzy they definitely had a rocky year in terms of music but Cheshire is a song that I actually liked out of there releases and I’m so surprised people didn’t like Voltage like the song went platinum in my room 😅, no one has mentioned this but I wish that itzy did similar concepts like Somi’s dumb-dumb for future releases

@cherly_boom Жыл бұрын

If I'm honest Beautiful Monster by stayc and whisper by the boyz is my most fav song from them

@MoonMoonTM Жыл бұрын

Can we stop saying groups "flopped" when they very obviously are still loved and listened to by many. Even if it was a bad year for them. It doesn't mean they "flopped".🤦🏻‍♀️

@SkyLight0928 Жыл бұрын

I expected (G)I-dle to flop this year but they did really good and left everyone is a shock and for Itzy I expected a lot more but there Albums this year were not just it like Sneakers and Boys like you were good but to me it didn't feel something that Itzy would do

@MROYvids Жыл бұрын

Something must have happened when PlayM merged with Cre.ker to become IST because Weeekly and The Boyz are SUFFERING.

@able-minemelody7872 Жыл бұрын

This year has been so strong on the rookie department, especially GG. The focus has been shifted significantly compared to previous years, and I think that is why it felt like a lot of popular groups become less relevent today. I would argue itzy, stayc and even everglow would have been some of the strongest 4th gen gg if you asked me last year, but I don't know if that's true or not anymore. I honestly would even argue NCT, the boyz and ateez have lost their moments slightly this year. Nothing significant but the trend is obvious. I kind of get why people start to talk about 5th gen, since it honestly feel like a trainsition periods this year ...

@lunarialoonatic Жыл бұрын

ITZY’s case is really sad because I honestly loved their music evolution. From their self love concept to Mafia In The Morning, loved the Crazy in Love album too. But unfortunately this year wasn’t for them. The best release for me this year was Weapon and it wasn’t even an official music video single 😭 I did like Cheshire but unfortunately besides the win it got it isn’t hyped up. Feels like JYPE is trying to please the fans which is ruining them. Want more international promotion? Here’s Boys Like You. Want a cute song? Sneakers is here. Want more vocals? Cheshire. I wish they would focus more on what the fan base itself wants. Not listen to the outside noise

@redloona1085 Жыл бұрын

@raynerene Жыл бұрын

i wish whisper was released later so that the comeback wasnt rushed because they were literally doing so many concerts when whisper came out and they got so overworked this year 😭 like no wonder none of their comebacks are doing well because their company failed to use their skills to properly promote them with their best 😭😭😭

@avainspired Жыл бұрын

also is it just me but i feel like kpop fanbases used to feel so big and fun in the past but now barely any groups (even big ones rn) have real fan bases its just people hopping on.

@lotusdonut6399 Жыл бұрын

Tbh nowadays KPOP has become a competition. There is just so so much comparison bw idols and groups in all aspects of their career, from their relationship w/ each other to their talents to their eating habits...

@lotusdonut6399 Жыл бұрын

I would also add the award thingies. Dk if in 2nd/3rd gen starting, there were so many awards, but like everyday i see idols getting nominated for awards which are all based on fan's voting. So more popular groups will win award ofc

@Everythingz127 Жыл бұрын

It's not an impression. Everywhere you just hear: I unstanned x group, I stanned x group. I joined kpop a few days ago, I left kpop for good. So no it's not an impression.

@ailicecc Жыл бұрын

i don't agree with the stayc one, i think they're doing just fine and people need to stop associating flop with stayc.

@asserm.8047 Жыл бұрын

i LOVE whisper :"///// its one of the 4-5 bg cbs this year i enjoyed

@lavendervvitch99 Жыл бұрын

Idk I’m still addicted to Beautiful Monster, and the entire We Need Love mini album. I don’t understand why people hated it; I personally don’t think STAYC knows how to make bad music. But I agree with your assessment of other groups. I was sad about ITZY this year; I really enjoyed Voltage, and I actually didn’t mind Sneakers - I didn’t replay it much but the rest of the mini album was actually quite solid. But I LOVED early ITZY, and pretty much everything since Mafia hasn’t been it for me. I do love Cheshire though, and the other two songs on the mini album that aren’t Boys Like You.

@butterflyssignal Жыл бұрын

as for tbz, i believe that the multiple smear posts against them during covid gate (starting from eric and his hiatus) really hurt them. there were talks of a boycott happening during whisper era too and deobis were mostly unsatisfied with the roll out because it wasn't their usual creative director hausofteam. tbf though, be aware sold 600k+ copies similar to both thrill ride and maverick.

@Cupidador Жыл бұрын

i def disagree w both stayc and viviz viviz - i agree they peaked at debut... but for good reason. your argument about rumpumpum and loveade being better produced is FAR from accurate. their biggest critiques for both songs were how weak the production was and how their vocals aren't blended well with the track. bop bop's only drawback is it being a retro concept... the production, the vocals, the sample usage, the choreo ALL. ATE. (biased of course) but to say that bop bop has "weaker production" than loveade...is probably the least valid thing you've EVER said channel-wide. stayc - kpop stans... are weird. they think they're entitled to like every song their fave makes which is so delusional. stayc's company are probably the smartest in all of kpop and know the current viral and production trends. run2u and so bad's retro trend, run2u and asap's quirky trend, and stereotype and beautiful monster's serenity trend which ressemble that of taylor swift (swifties = horsegirl music) i think they were anticipating taylor's new album and the trend she'd make. stayc's japanese debut with poppy was absolutely genius with their fusion of kpop and the jpoppy-sounding chorus was phonominal (also biased) some can call it basic or too poppy, but can't call it bad. all in all... stayc isn't flopping- they're minds are just UGH ahead of the times

@rkhandle Жыл бұрын

I’m surprised he didn’t say anything negative about Nmixx on this one since that has been his favorite group to throw shade at.

@theophilus1981 Жыл бұрын

Yeah Itzy really dropped the ball this year, I don't think it was their fault , but I think whoever is choosing their songs , it feels like their talents are not being allowed to shine. Hope they can turn it around next year

@bias8646 Жыл бұрын

Their songs took a juvenile turn and sound more like Disney originals than anything else. By the way JYP is managing them you’d think they’re setting them up for failure. Just listen to the original demo of In the morning, it was objectively better, then they changed it and put all the cringey lyrics that everyone ended up hating.

@jjongsflyinginsolelol1944 Жыл бұрын

tbz deserve sm better. they're truly such a good group

@imfine-apple237 Жыл бұрын

I hope 2023 will be good to The Boyz ♡♡

@cakredi4132 Жыл бұрын

I hate the word FLOP but totally understand why VIVIZ didn't get as big as they should be. GFRIEND was so deeply loved by many because of their strong concept and signature sound. In order to disassociate fans from that, VIVIZ should have their own uniqueness yet they were struggling to get that. Adding to the fact that there are no new member VIVIZ. It will be harder for people to stop comparing with their former group.

@adileneolivares6777 Жыл бұрын

The itzy and StayC flops break my heart because they’re like the prime example of ppl expecting so much from a group and dropping them the second they don’t live up to their expectations. You could say that for every group but not every group gets the amount of hate they’re getting with them being called untalented, cringe, corny, flops, and so much worse shit. I honestly blame their companies for switching their concepts out of nowhere and blindsiding their fans. (This one applies more to MIDZY than “swith” because most “swith” left due to them no longer being the new shiny toy and some of the loss in support of these kinds of ppl was inevitable for either groups. )

@moonshi5846 Жыл бұрын

im so glad stayc came stronger with teddy bear/poppy this year, all their songs are so good

@ohnoits Жыл бұрын

Even if people hated it, I still wouldn’t consider Sneakers a flop because it actually did better than LOCO in the charts both internationally and domestically. It’s only in streaming on spotify where the numbers are quite low. (50 million streams being low is kinda funny tho) And Cheshire is utter perfection. But it’s only been a few days, at least wait until they’ve promoted it at music shows this week before you declare it a chart flop lol. But also charts don’t mean anything, good songs sometimes don’t chart well! It’s all about marketing and promo, that’s how good songs become successful. As you said ITZY’s fandom is going strong and they’re selling more albums than ever so I don’t think they are flop status yet but their reputation has definitely been tainted by Sneakers! Less flop more plateau…

@ohnoits Жыл бұрын

@Ronmaker I mean in international charts like Billboard, the CHECKMATE album ranked 8th and Crazy In Love ranked 11th I think. But yeah the streaming on Spotify is the thing that’s kinda low. You might be confusing international fans love for the song as chart success, but that’s not how it works strangely. How good or well loved a song is doesn’t always reflect on the charts because the charts depend on the music scene at the time and the season of the year. Sneakers was charting well for months! Now it’s starting to drop but that is normal. It still hasn’t fallen off Melon yet. Unless it’s Spring Day or something, most songs don’t stay on the charts for years. That doesn’t mean it charted badly, there’s too much music for every song to stay on the chart. The fact that it’s still on Melon now, 5 months after release, is more impressive than most groups can achieve. LOCO dropped out of the kcharts wayyyy quicker, and never even reached top 20 unlike Sneakers which was top 5 for many weeks.

@xinweiyap8241 Жыл бұрын

with the boyz its so sad cuz all the members are so incredibly talented and lovable, it really is just the songs that are lacking. They should definitely go back to their sleek and darker concepts like in rtk and kingdom

@94mp99 Жыл бұрын

Actually, in South Korea, The Boyz is known for their Boy Next Door concept.

@100fates Жыл бұрын

I immediately had to stop the video as soon as you started to credit Twitter, Instagram and "your timeline" as sources as to why you think a group is flopping loool.

@jamaisjeon Жыл бұрын

with stayc i think they fell victim to the recent switching up trend happening in kpop rn. people fall in love with a newly debuted grp, stream their first comeback but the moment another 'big thing' girlgroup drops, they switch up on the older ones. stans were in love with the stayc in their first year as a group, but when they began their second year everyone switched up. with itzy is the same, they were doing great until aespa, stayc and maybe even weeekly debuted

@minamee007 Жыл бұрын

i felt like stayc fell victim with the huge rookie gg competition this 2022. yeah fair, we need love is weaker compared to young luv and staydom but it's not horrible??? i dont get the hate these girls are getting just bc beautiful monster isnt their cup of tea. anyway, segue there but yeah- 2022 literally became the battle of the ggs where they compete which concept or sound is the most "innovative". and idk i think poppy is hella catchy and cute and i see it as their redemption song this yr. i think another reason why they lost momentum is bc they sonically branched out at the wrong time. if bm were to release before any of the 2022 ggs + ive debut, it wouldn't have that bad of an impact imo....

@Kirbykuchen Жыл бұрын

Beautiful monster is my fav title track from Stayc I was so shocked nobody liked it?! I hope they’d still do songs like this even if it’s just a b side :( Anyways stream young luv and poppy 🥰

@Collfuse Жыл бұрын

Man I would add everglow to the probably will flop list due to how long they been gone and how many competitions came in during that

@danjeffers Жыл бұрын

I disagree on a couple points. First, you use the term "flopped" but then describe as just not having as good a year as expected. The meaning of the word is a lot stronger: "(of a performer or show) be completely unsuccessful; fail totally." I'm not sure if some of these meet that full definition but my second point is that ITZY definitely does not do so. The reasons give to say they aren't doing as well are generally that they get a lot more negative (and less unchallenged positive) attention, but that isn't a good measure. They aren't a rookie group any more and over time the number of people available to be dissatisfied each time a release is different than the last grows. This is as inevitable as entropy. (in fact, it probably is a function of entropy). Looking at ITZY in multiple dimensions, several show strong success. Their world tour is the first time the performance-oriented group has been able to get out there for a couple years and by every standard it's a huge hit. They sell out everywhere, crowds are enthusiastic, and people have described it as THE best show of the year. Album sales are doubling, consistent with their contemporaries like Aespa and G-Idle. The numbers for Cheshire are too fresh and not easy to compare because of the unusual release timing. Album sales appear to be strong. YT numbers are hard to evaluate with the constant battle between Google and bots. I've been in the industry and know the feeling of telling a new client that they're favorite traffic numbers are going to be cut in half because we'll measure them more accurately. Anyway, this is intended to be discussion, I do enjoy your shows and usually learn a lot.

@Olivia-xe8sm Жыл бұрын

it sucks that itzy is here but it was inevitable. this year so many girl groups debuted and continued to release so many good songs. so when itzy released songs like sneakers and boys like you that people didn't like, ngl it made them look really bad. the kpop girl group scene became so competitive this year, it doesn't really leave any room for any girl group to release a bad song without having a massive drop in popularity. i think this is also partly why Chesire hasn't made as much noise as it should have even though it was a really good song :(

@hihigh1196 Жыл бұрын

bop bop is one of my fave songs nooooo

@whereisdiallo Жыл бұрын

i love stayc but hated beautiful monster because stayc vocals could not carry that song at all. if a group with a stronger vocal line made beautiful monster it probably would have performed better 🤷🏾‍♀️

@yourhomiechillinvibes Жыл бұрын

StayC Run2U and Itzy Sneakers did well in Korean charts, hard to say they flopped...

@eunhanators5979 Жыл бұрын

@Ronmaker im not their stan, but sneakers literally charting high. I remember when pink venom, forever 1 and after like were charting, sneakers still in top 10

@ATWTMVTVFTVSGAVRALPS Жыл бұрын

But VIVIZ's music was enjoyable tho, their 2022 releases are no-skip albums and the fact that they already have 14+ songs in just a few months is something that other groups don't do.

@drennae Жыл бұрын

No surprised as Viviz not enogh support. Gfriend as a group didn't get the support from kpop fans either, everyone went complaining at their disbandement but were never there to support. Their peak was 2015 with Me gustas too and their recent album (even tho it had the bestest bop Mango) didn't sell enough and less that their prior albums. And as expected, every gg stans were there to complain to the disbandement but stop at that, they do nothing to support the member after that (except ofc the actual stans).

@naamacsara149 Жыл бұрын

Their peak was in 2016 with rough and navillera being the top songs on that year the other cb may not be as successful as rough and navillera but it still doing good in chart and their last viral song is time for the moonight in 2018.. Although 2020 was rough since that's the start of the pandemic they still did good with 3 cb that year specifically Crossroad has 7 wins its the last cb close to Gfriend sound after that the song is very different. Gfriend don't have a big fandom (it's not that we are not supporting them we are just not big) we rely more on their music quality that the public will like but since they start changing their sound the songs they make didn't attract knetz they want Gfriend to appeal more internationally but as soon as they didn't meet the qualification they dword them. Also were more on kchart than album sales as Buddy's are not a big fandom. So if your expecting a 100k sales to consider The cb successful we didn't crack it since gfriend peak. 2020 cb's album sales are doing better but the chart since the acquisition is not doing good as before

@eunhanators5979 Жыл бұрын

Gfriend has many famous song actually expecially in korea like glass bead, mgt, rough, navillera, love whisper, tftmn, even sunrise and crossroads also has many music show wins. Gfriend may not have large fanbase, but korean gp love them

@eunhanators5979 Жыл бұрын

Also kpopies need to know that having low album sales doesnt mean they got less paid. Them can get money from many sources luke endorsement, ads, sponsor, merch, concert etc. In 2020, gfriend is the second money maker in hybe after bts and hybe that time consist of bts, svt, txt etc

@mayohet582 Жыл бұрын

I don't know why beautiful monster was poorly received but i think it's one of the best K-pop song of the year if im listening to k-pop then beautiful monster is one of them

@hibeautym Жыл бұрын

Beautiful monster is my fav StayC song idc what charts/sales/knetz says. It’s a very simple but hauntingly beautiful song. I LOVE their mature side. Not every song has to be bubly pop/ kidz bop targeted towards tik tok audience.

@akpopfan7302 Жыл бұрын

I won't say tbz flopped.. they were just hella busy with the tour and knowing what happened with Eric and everything.. they didn't get time to show it fully. We all know very well they are extremely popular in Korea and their popularity isn't going anywhere atleast there. But internationally I'm sure they'll rise next year now that Eric is back. And the biggest reason of many things going downhill this year was their company.. after the merge, everything changed. Tbz didn't remain their top priority despite being the main money maker for that company.

@cdog990609 Жыл бұрын

Okay but The Boyz are still the most popular 4th Gen boy group by member and group reputation in Korea? I feel like you’re relying way too much on what international fans say on Twitter. You need to change how your getting this info, if their popular in their target market (Koreans) then it doesn’t matter what the non-Koreans say. The international community is obsessed with groups like p1harmony, who are remarkably unknown in Korea in a market of struggling young boy groups. What people say on Twitter needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

@sarah2604sm Жыл бұрын

Also the Boyz literally went on a world tour this year! And had music bank in Chile. They had stops in NA and Europe, with Asia and multiple days in Seoul. Idk about ticket sales but i know a lot of Europeans who travelled with them and absolutely loved it. They went to KCON LA in the midst of whisper promotions, their whisper stages had amazingly load fanchants. Just today they wrapped off a two-day fan meeting in Korea. Multiple members are getting magazine shootings left and right. Canada line is going to dive studios. They're far from flopping this year. I heavily agree with what you wrote and idk what planet minjae is talking about tbh

@cdog990609 Жыл бұрын

@@sarah2604sm if you wanna see how groups actually perform amongst media relevance in Korea, just look up “boy group brand reputation rankings”. It measures how talked about groups/members perform again eachother. They’re usually 4th-6th most talked about group OF ALL BOY GROUPS per month (on off months they’ll fall to around 7-8), and almost always have a solid number of members individually ranking in the top 100 (usual suspects are Hyunjae, Juyeon, New, Sunwoo, and Younghoon) which compares to all the big third Gen groups, and they generally lead 4th Gen every month.

@suepiphany Жыл бұрын

on your viviz take during queendom them being the ''villians'' and getting hate for it. me myself who is pretty deep on kpop stan twitter i rarely seen any hate on them during the time. i saw most fandoms joke around about mnets evil editing. i rarely saw hate towards any group for what they did or said on the show. fans called out the evil editing multiple times for all groups and just laughed about it. i could also just be on the less toxic side of kpop stan twitter and that is why I missed the whole hate train..