KPOP Hater Reacts to more Stray Kids (Phobia, Thunderous, MANIAC, Case 143, S-Class, Megaverse...)

[@olivia_alyse]

39:35 please do your research before you speak dawg. Stray Kids write and produce probably 99% of their songs. They write the lyrics, they make the beat, they produce the song, they do everything pretty much. Our boys work very hard

[@mayzaiz]

Fr like they have a max of 5 songs atleast which they haven't had ANY participation in the production 💀 I'm watching these vids to try and give them a chance but they keep underestimating the guys and making ignorant comments so much lmao

[@Ryssa9548]

"Spoiler alert guys the artists don't write the songs " 🤣🤣 They write and produce 99% of their own music. If you want songs that don't fit the formula, don't search for MVs, go for b-sides, japanese singles and OSTs, unit songs and solo sons. They have a bit of everything but they take more liberties to experiment with those than with MV songs. Some that actually don't resemble any of these formulas you were talking about are Red Lights, Scars, Cover Me, The tortoise and the hare, Muddy Water, Deep End (since you seem to like Felix a lot), Maknae on top, N/S, Up all night and for fantastic rap I'd recommend 3Racha, I got it, Hey Day, Zone etc...

[@KimSeungminKneeKisser]

FRRRR Somebody get them outside the blind spot 😂😂

[@mayzaiz]

Yeah they should definitely react to a guide or smth before listening to anymore songs, cause the amount of assumptions I've heard in these reactions is not gonna hit the right spot on fans

[@seungminmakesmestay]

​@@KimSeungminKneeKisser Blind spot... Hehe 😉

[@marinatepelboym6407]

It's not JYP who applies the formula, it's 3RACHA. JYP has about 0 involvement in SKZ discography.

[@mr.mauribachmann2632]

Of course they have, the best songs of them don't have a videoclip, they just invest in what they know for sure they gonna make a lot of money, because of this who don't know SKZ think they have a formula or they don't write their own songs. I'm pretty sure JYP give a lot of artistic freedom for them (thanks to 3 racha ), but in the moment that your song need to be approved for some old ass man's in the top of the building, JYP have "involvement ".

[@marinatepelboym6407]

@@mr.mauribachmann2632 I said no involvement in discography, not in entire process. JYP (as Park J.Y.) never wrote a song for them, as he does with his girl groups.

[@Zodiac0406]

@@mr.mauribachmann2632 Nope, they said in one of their interviews that JYP lets SKZ do their own music, which means he completely trusts these guys.

[@KimberlyDayah]

@@Zodiac0406 even so far, as I heard it said (rumor) that he is reluctant/hesitant (afraid might be too strong of a word) to go against their judgement. Sure, he has veto power, but we've been led to believe that it is not used much (as in low, low percent of all the discography they've produced).

[@alesiasokolaj1586]

@@marinatepelboym6407jyp has actually written for skz before. Tho it has happened only three times (I think so far) and he did it in collaboration with 3racha so his credit in the song isn’t that noticeable. My pace, levanter and all in have jyp credited as a songwriter. All in maybe compositor too

[@Isabelly]

SPOILER GUYS, they wrote all these songs.. I feel like I understand now why they wrote Thunderous and Cheese 😂

[@KimSeungminKneeKisser]

FRRR

[@Ryu-201]

It's for morons like these people. They find everything funny and out of context without even trying to understand. But i guess it won't matter because they won't even try to understand what Cheese and Thunderous is about. They'll just try to find if Cheese and Thunderous fits the "formula" Or not. 🙄

[@seungminmakesmestay]

Dude, frfr! Like I didn't get the clapback songs as much until watching these guys... Like, they work so hard and then people will say things like, 'JYP really handed them something weird this time.' And it's like, bruh! What are you saying? They hand JYP an album and JYP publishes it and markets it. At least do a tiny bit of research if you're going to make bold claims like SKZ don't *really* write anything.

[@csxmaria]

calling changbin and han “not real rappers” is insane ☠️

[@ji-qn2qx]

I do agree. According to some people changbin and han can rap 9.7 and 9.6 syllables per sec and I looked up Eminem's he's has 7.5 Syllables per sec. They are pretty fast but it's hard to appreciate I guess when you're not familiar with the language the rap is in. Personally since I don't speak Korean I just listen to the flow and overall personality of the rap and they are really really good

[@railee9371]

But I don't think it's right to look on the syllables tho? First, I'm not a language expert but I think syllables in English are much longer or complicated than the syllables in Korean, I'm probably clowning myself but as someone who love rapping, I rap in my language and I felt like I'm my mother, but make me rap in English and I'll feel like my tounge's malfunctioning, and that's from someone who knows English from when I was still a toddler, even tho it's just my second language... Besides Jeon Seoyeon from G-Idle, someone who participated in Unpretty Rapstar to compete with underground rappers and was acknowledged as a real rapper not just an idol rapper, can rap around 8-9 syllables. And I know Eminem is a great rapper but it's a bit funny to decide who's a real rapper or not based on whether they can rap more syllables than Eminem or not lolol. Han and Changbin can freestyle too!

[@railee9371]

So I guess it's just your personal preference! I fell in love with Han the moment I heard him rap, as someone who loves rappers but can be really picky, it was crazy it's love at first heard mwehe

[@mr.mauribachmann2632]

​@ji-qn2qx Bro rap is not about how fast you can say the words, hip hop is whole black culture, have history involved here, say a lot of random words fast as you can is not REAL RAP. I'm a huge fan of stray kids, Han and Changbin really CAN RAP but they don't actually DO in their most famous musics, 80% of an RAP is LYRICS, saying things like, telling a history, like attacking the government, the haters, the racist police, the industry in general, the other rappers (you can also talk about love or other shit in hip-hop but that's not my point). Hip-hop shaped my character and morality during my childhood and adolescence, it taught me how to live in a world that doesn't want me alive. Can you feel what I'm saying? Stray kids don't do that in their songs, ykwim?

[@daniej125]

​@mr.mauribachmann2632 What do they talk about in the songs you listen to then? What Stray Kids songs do you even listen to? Because sure, some of their most popular songs are just about having fun, or there are some where the rap is clearly not the focus, but most of their songs that I personally listen to, the lyrics in their raps do everything you talk about. I'm not one of those people who think rap is all about speed or rhymes. You can have both and still say a lot of nothing. Changbin and Han aren't great rappers to me because of their speed, flows, style or rhyme schemes (though they are proficient in all those areas imho) but because when I pay attention to the lyrics, they use all those things to deliver real bars and tell real stories. They are clever lyricists and great storytellers, which is the true barometer of a competent rapper if you ask me. So yes, Changbin and Han are great rappers. The best ever? No. They're still learning and growing. But they already have a firm hold on all the tools of the trade, and as long as they keep learning more and more about the art form, and experimenting more, and branching out to tell new stories and tackle new techniques, they'll only continue to gain more respect and recognition.

[@Stefcatx24]

S-Class got them a VMA......Stray Kids is not for everyone, you either like them or you don't. They are different from any other K-pop group and that's why they have gained respect worldwide.

[@jasminpizarro6702]

😅 many groups of kpop today are different nct, young posse, ateez, red velvet and the list goes

[@olivia_alyse]

PREACH. 🙏🙏

[@jessicaa.9732]

Difference is skz writes & produces their own music that's why even if they try a new genre it still sounds like skz hope that helps.

[@taystz]

​@@jessicaa.9732exactly 👏🏻

[@aroundtheflatearth2388]

i think they will react the same as when they react to nmixx next hahhahahaha

[@mamalocaN.5]

People be calling themselves “kpop haters” when they only heard Gangnam style in 2012 💀

[@OluwanifemiShodeinde]

Agree 💯

[@Leidyybug]

This part . Like what ? 😂

[@innacraine]

Yes, You can hate what you know. And here it's just that the dirt is pouring with a confident face.

[@jasminpizarro6702]

You can hate something that you even don't know well 😅

[@laniibearrii]

its for the views😭

[@terryidelmar]

Is not just "the formula" its the strayKids formula 👊

[@nekozuworld]

its just not fit their "formula" thats why it not satisfy them enough... thats why i really like stray kids, they just "fuck the haters, u keep complaining while we producing"... if you dont like it get tf out of here

[@Kaacka26]

@@nekozuworld nobody saying they hate the formula tho ????

[@rugr82day]

At this point when they were reacting it was not about them hating the song, it was about them sounding like they were constantly saying all SKZ songs are the same when STAY know how many different genres SKZ have used. My guess is that the one who kind of knew SKZ had only heard title tracks. The funny thing about repeatedly saying "formula" whether it's negative or positive is that it's not so much formularic as it's the way most songs are written. Verse - pre-chorus - chorus - verse - pre-chorus - bridge - chorus, though nowadays some songs skip having a pre-chorus. Regardless it works for Pop, Rock, R&B, Metal, Country, Folk, Blues, ect... Even many popular traditional Hip Hop songs often followed that same "formula" except the choruses were performed by another artist featured or a sample was used. Seems to be the biggest issue that kept coming up was that it was Changbin starting the songs. Yes, Changbin starts a lot of the title tracks and if SKZ wasn't considered a "Boy Band" that wouldn't even be looked at as unusual. Look at other groups or bands that have lead singers and they start 99 to 100% of every song.

[@Katony89]

Also Changbin often starts because hes one of the writers and he's the only one who can do those powerful lines.

[@aquarmg]

I like how they keep referencing JYP being involved in how their music is done 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Knowing that the company has little to NO input into the Stray Kids production, creativity & lyrics 😂😂😂😂😂. JYP literally just signs off on a final album draft 😂😂😂😂😂😂. If only they knew Stray Kids their behind the scenes & their creative process. No hate on their reaction but seeing how oblivious people are to how Stray Kids Actually create their own music makes me laugh 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@seungminmakesmestay]

Ikr. Like what? LOL

[@cassc23]

😂🤦‍♀️...not real rappers??...then you say they're rapping and eating the flow...does that not mean they can rap?? Fast does not mean rap...it's a lot more than that...these guys can rap and part of that is writing your lyrics which they do...sorry I just found that funny like when I heard a reactor call English American which is English 😂

[@grumpydomppa8666]

And Binnie, Han and Chan write their raps and have been a rap group before SKZ, so yeah, they are real rappers. :D

[@Keindrita]

So there is music? yes, there is people singing? yes, there is rap? yes, then it fits the formula, well if you put it that way every single kpop song fits the formula, but they use over 40 genres I will not say they use a formula. they have so many fierent songs, Chronosaurus, Side Effects, I am you, Booster, Topline, Item, Domino and left outside their solo projects and unit projects where you can really see their differences, like Taste, 3Racha, Gone Away, waiting for us muddy water, street light , alien, volcano, wish you back , I got it, Limbo, Deep end, their OST, Like TOP or SLUMP or the mostr recent one WHY?

[@LalaH-23]

Taste is one of my favorite songs. Underrated for sure.

[@iss6790]

​@@LalaH-23sameee, it doesnt "fit the formula" which just shows that skz are insane at having millions of genres throughout their albums

[@LalaH-23]

@@iss6790 I couldn't agree more

[@poohkbbear]

Formula....formula....formula.....😂 I can not! These reactions have no understanding of the meaning behind the lyrics. Thunderous is really for people like you guys.

[@videlina978]

Bruhhh based

[@Kaacka26]

they're reacting to sound and audio, not lyrics as much, I don't see them hating though so?

[@poohkbbear]

So? And?

[@Kaacka26]

@@poohkbbear????? 😂

[@MakeGoodTrouble]

​@@Kaacka26hating doesn't have to only be calling names or being mean. It can also mean that they keep making wild baseless assumptions and opinions after being told REPEATEDLY how FACTUALLY WRONG they are in EVERY previous video. At this point there's ZERO excuse for it. Literally a large chunk of the shit they are repeatedly spewing is 100% verifiably false. And after being educated they continue to do it. That qualifies just as much as hating as anything else.

[@Obei-269]

U guys can say whatever u like about the music just don’t make out like your opinion is a fact 😊

[@Almerbunspojul]

Truth. Everyone’s got an opinion. I don’t like country music, but my mom does. Thats cool, whatever 😊

[@MakeGoodTrouble]

This is my problem with these dudes. Opinions and assumptions (a large chunk of the time 100% verifiably false at that) stated as fact. God grant me the confidence of a mediocre man!

[@lansisuzie8928]

Just a context on who Stray kids are. Stray kids don't put a label, they don't have a formula. they do it all. there is no specific genre they fit in. They are very diverse. So, don't expect a particular genre from them. They like to experiment in their music and so do diverse music genres because they don't limit themselves to any specifics. So there is no specific ''genre'' that ''fits '' them. They offer it all because they like it. No specific label or genre. And to say they produce their own genre, is to say they use their on style and can put 40 different genres in their music which makes them genius, and they have ideas which people have never tried before. So, yes. And not only in the music production but also in their lyricism because there is always a wordplay in their music. So in conclusion , checking out their music isn't only about how good it sounds, but also how they bring different genres and sounds that haven't been used before and arranged them so well to fit it in one song and it still sounds great and perfect, and their lyricism that has also been acknowledged by different producers and song writers. They have songs for sad times, happy times, gym times, club times, love times etc. and yes, they also have songs, just for fun which are experimental with a lot of word play. that's what makes their music great and for all. That's why they are call genius with their production and lyricism. Thank you.

[@murata..]

THIS 👹👹

[@143Chann]

Bang chan didn't trained 13 years he didn't suffered and didn't sleep for you to say they did not write their songs... Bang chan produces the song all the beat drops you loved are produced by bang chan and 3racha writes their own songs!!

[@smallxpanda42]

he trained 7 years, did you mean he didn't start training at 13 and the rest?

[@143Chann]

@@smallxpanda42 yep

[@cassc23]

Stray kids formula is 3Racha and the rest of the members...they're continually working on songs and have songs come out after sitting on them for sometimes 3+yrs...their formula is basically being workaholics who write and produce their own stuff so work to each members style because they know each other so well.

[@Tinseltess]

I think part of your confusion with their formula is that Thunderous was specifically copying the formula of God's menu until they broke the formula at the laugh with the arms as a call out to the haters. So the formula similarities were quite intentional here. They certainly have go-tos like the Bintro (Changbin intros the track) or pre chorus formulas, especially on the bigger pieces. Digging beyond that, they've experimented with tons of genres and still kept some of their own color (which are helped by parts of that formula).

[@3d5551]

What's the formula they are trying to put in?? Just curious I don't understand

[@crypticshadows]

also felix being in the chorus/prechorus or being a hook or something 😅

[@n2sunset]

You actually could do the tiniest bit of research ( even just on each video itself after it plays)and you’ll find they write and produce 99% of their music.

[@MakeGoodTrouble]

Hell all they gotta do is read the comments! Reading is fundamental y'all!

[@clauu9370]

also, this whole formula discussion is so stupid lmao...like there is no formula...

[@trollbabie3947]

literally… they must be fun at parties 😭

[@bethpaolozzi4241]

What you have to understand about S-Class is that it's full of easter eggs. Lyrics, beats, clothing and lore from their other songs. So if you don't really know their other songs/MV a lot of their choices won't make sense.

[@tiffanyharris-santos6408]

I may not agree fully with your comments /opinions but you guys are funny. As someone who is suspected of being nuero divergent. Stray kids and ateez music being mildly chaotic and changing sounds and visuals constantly does something tingly to my brain in a way that makes it easier to focus. And i love their heavy involvement in their music creations

[@moonfoxx814]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssss same :)

[@kermit8536]

As someone who is easily distracted it helps me listen to the whole song and watch the whole thing or I would’ve skipped through the whole thing lol

[@Amara262]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssss!!

[@Vanessa-df3st]

39:38 so Before you say that they didn't write the song themselves please just google it because they did everything themselves if you say you don't like it and its not your style is ok but shut up if you don't have a plan about something like that

[@卡琳娜-e2o]

Poor Chan, who writes songs for Stray Kids until 5 am.....

[@h-aewo]

he does not do that lmfao. there are people that work in that, yeah sure, chan can contribute in the rap or do just a line, but he doesnt write an entire song himself. it has to go through a review and its just all a process, even tho he "writes songs" the lyricists do all the job themselves.

[@卡琳娜-e2o]

@@h-aewo lmao, you so funny. It’s immediately clear that you are not at all familiar with the activities of the group

[@h-aewo]

@@卡琳娜-e2o what does that even has to do with chan writing lyrics? it's the same for all groups. each member has their positions and if they want to earn some money by writing some lines, they can, but its never the whole song.

[@卡琳娜-e2o]

@@h-aewo your answer further confirmed that you are not familiar with the group at all. Chan writes songs while maintaining a budget for Stray Kids, which allows the company to invest money in mv. The way Chan writes songs can be seen on vlive or weverse. If my memory serves me right, Banchan wrote about 180 songs, and not only for Stray Kids. Believe me, I know what I’m talking about, since I’ve been following the group since 2019.

[@h-aewo]

@@卡琳娜-e2o where's the proof of that ?? lmfaooo, you are NOT stray kids friend to know that no matter if u follow them since 2019

[@patrinamorgan9949]

All of thier music is in fact completly self produced, self written, and self compsed with little to no outside help or intervention from JYP. I think the main reason you guys think thier music has a "formula" is because most of the songs you've reacted to are tittle tracks which is the main song on an album. With kpop in general a groups tittle tracks tend to be similar in style and format because they're the main way of promoting that album and serve as a way to get new peoples attention. To fully grasp how divers stay kids music is you have to listen to non tittle track songs aka " b-sides" or even unit songs which are tracks that don't have all the members on them. A good mix of songs to react to would be cover me, 3racha, muddy water, secret secret, charmer, red light, hey day, or gone away. Reacting to a whole album or any of the members solo projects would also be good. they also post dance practices for some of thier songs and videos showing behind the sences of thier studio recording process. I would also suggest either watching more lyric videos, dance proformance videos or even just looking into the meanings and story lines of each music video because non of them feel random if you pay attention. I respect all your oppinions but i feel like you guys are making a lot of assumtions when you haven't even checked out a fraction of their discogrophy. They have over 200 songs and have tried over 40 different genres. Also kpop/ stray kids might just not be for you and thats ok.

[@Mrs.Fezziwig]

In Thunderous the members make a mouth move that resembles laughing but very few know what that move means in the worlld of dance. It's called 'biting' and it's pretty much the strongest move someone could make toward other dancers. Biting is to call out another dancer for plagiarism and in urban dance battles of the 80s and 90s it's definitely enough to cause a huge fight. It's about respecting another's choreography and is a physical form of disrespect if used loosely. I've been in situations where there's been fist fights and arrests because it was used. It's a massive no-no in competition. The members of Stray Kids will know this, they are professional dancers after all _BUT_ they are using it in Thunderous to say they are impossible to copy, that they hear all the haters saying they don't make music just noise and are laughing at them for thinking the members give a fvck about this opinion. They are saying anyone can try and put disrespect on their name but inevitably it won't matter because they're loud and proud of who they are, will stick to being themselves and the love of STAY is all that matters to them. ETA: If anyone wants to understand this a little better search 'VATA Ateez Say My Name choreo plagiarism' there's a really good short out there that explains it all in under 60 seconds. I can't remember the channel name off the top of my head but it has black upper and lower borders with white writing, the font is like blackboard chalk almost. And I know this video right now is about Stray Kids, it just so happens to be that Wooyoung actually used the biting move at a concert in front of thousands, which demonstrates how this can rile people up into violence.

[@crypticshadows]

oh dude i never knew this! that’s actually so cool

[@MakeGoodTrouble]

Thanks for the knowledge!

[@PracticallyaPerson]

I knew about Ateez's use for the move, but I didn't recognize it was used here too. I like how you explained it, it brings another depth to the song.

[@phylisbrown1181]

I should really finish watching your video before commenting, lol. A member or several members are always credited for writing their songs. They are 100% for writing. Every member has credits with KOMCA. BANG CHAN has 181 listed as of December, 2023. CHANGBIN AND HAN are both sitting at around 150 song credits each. LEE KNOW had the least with just 17 SONG CREDITS to his name. They are the ONLY 4th Gen group to have every member with credits let alone 1st, 2nd and 3rd. All credits will be higher after the new album is released. They are around 90% for arrangements and composing. They have an input for choreo. That being said they are 96% for producing. 3 members are also the primary producers, sometimes they have other producers with them and rarely are they not involved with production in some way. BANG CHAN the leader and main producer has made beats whilst on a LIVE many times. MEGAVERSE I LOVE the theme of this MV. The security guard was disrespecting them by DOODLING all over them in the newspaper. This angered SKZ and caused them to break the 4 th wall and arrive in their hellevator to right the wrong. CHANS sweater is covered in DOODLES. The boys morphing into each other stamps we are one. One for all, all for one. Mess with one, you mess with us all. I also love the fact that it is the music that blasts him through the wall and the floor. SKZ replied to their haters the best way they can, their music. If you notice no matter where the guard tried to escape to..... through exit doors, he couldn't get away. That is because there is NO EXIT, once you are in, you are here to STAY. At the end the new security guard is TABLO from EPIK HIGH. The crossword said Next 'X'? Next Collab is SKZ X TABLO. Recently Epik High did a collab with Seventeens HOSHI. Interestingly Tablo"s wife's favourite IDOL group is StrayKids. His daughters favourite groups are StrayKids, Seventeen and BTS. I can see a trend 😂 OR This is the journey of a new STAY. First you notice their visuals, the newspaper had our 2 most popular. Then the music hits you, like a slap to the face. As you go further beats like this one literally floors you. After entering the rabbit hole of Stray Kids, as all of the fanbase know, there is no escape. You are here to STAY. ALL RAP. HAN.......I GOT IT. CHANGBIN ...... DOODLE. They have alluded to a collab with DJ SNAKE. They have worked with Alesso and Corsak before.

[@shaylatorch]

The thing you're missing is that STRAY KIDS don't HAVE a formula! That's what makes them SO special! Their songs represent their journey of their lives in the K-pop industry! SKZ lore. The songs tell a continuous story. So the lyrics ARE important. They've worked so hard to get where they are , ESPECIALLY Chan, seven years as a trainee, left his home & family at age 13, to follow his dreams!! He saw MANY friends either get eliminated or debut, he was in a really dark place, then he found the boys! They saved his life, he hand picked every member, something that had never been done before! They're all super talented & have brought happiness to millions of people!! STRAY KIDS, world domination!!

[@Cookie-K]

Well it really seems like KPop isn't your thing...which is fine....its not for everyone. So maybe you should start reacting to things you do enjoy.

[@xxD20Girlxx]

Exactly

[@jessicaa.9732]

Not 3racha writing & producing mixtapes pre-debut b4 they even became idols just for 2 nobody's on YT to call them not real rappers...bring public shaming back & let's start with these two fools omg 🙄

[@banana-dude1535]

The not real rappers part got me no lie

[@lorigrabon6307]

Do the research, whether you’re a fan or not. I heard you say you’ve been doing this for three years… These kids have been working since before their debut, 2017. Think you need to find the dance practice vids & get an idea. A formula? 🙄 And quite frankly, you’re new to this, so your opinions right now really don’t matter.

[@RachaDahou]

Why do I like the “hater” more than the “fan” ? I feel like the fan is there to hear the hater hate on skz but its not happening? Also Hard bop is not a formula :) I honestly feel like you guys a forcing the formula thing, i do not think case 143 and maniac have the same formula at all! Maniac starts with strictly singing while case 143 we go into rap and hard rap real fast… so yeah i know you want there to be a formula but there really isn’t.. Imma need you to specify what the formula is too cause.

[@Kirito-106]

beoooo agreed!!!! The hater dude is really trying. Atom's (hater's) comments are too diplomatic, feels like he is hiding his real excitement and feelings to match with the Hater's and the Viewers' vibes :X And in the beginning atom (the lover) is like oooooo I kept listening to Stray kids on repeat and I picked these songs. And by the time hater started rating the songs, Atom is like yeaaa I'd never listen to the song ever again xD! I hope Atom is doing well and feels better. He really needs to stop needing external approval. He should feel good enough just the way he is.!

[@dewimaheswari8509]

their discography before God’s Menu actually having different formula. It’s more raw and experimental. Try: Miroh, Hellevator, Voices, Side Effects

[@KrispyKristN]

3Racha was a rap group With Bangchan, Han, and Changbin, BEFORE they started stray kids.

[@phylisbrown1181]

They have released 14 various forms of albums whether it be EPs, full length, korean or Japanese. Case 143 is a love song. It's about the internal confusion of falling in love for the first time. The first set of Stray kids are infected with love from the heart monsters. The second set of Stray kids are trying to investigate the surge of emotions. For more variety check out their pre debut song HELLAVATOR. They did literally EVERYTHING on this song themselves. Choreo, song writing, beats, arranging, producing..... everything. It was a test to see if they were worthy of debut. The boys were only 16 to 20 at the time. I would then suggest Cover Me and Topline. Ooooooh, you could try their most experimental songs, Side Effects and the Tortise and the Hare.

[@kpxproductions]

HELLAVATOR definitely sounds like something to take a look into. We have read about how involved they are in the production process, and find it quite impressive! Feel free to like and subscribe- you'll likely find a video on HELLAVATOR and Slump soon, as well as our takes on many forms of music, gaming and other topics. See you on the next one!

[@CiszaBurzy]

The Tortoise and The Hare is really interesing. It's one of the songs that got me into them and I go back to it the most no matter how much I love their new releases

[@Zodiac0406]

The man with the cap, which formula are you talking about? Stray Kids don't follow the rules; they mentioned it in one of their songs (Thunderous: Keep on talking, we don't play by the rules). They create and produce their own songs with no rules or formula, combining multiple genres into one song - it's genius! The beats are incredible; you won't appreciate them unless you're a dancer, music lover, musician, composer, or producer. The Man with the Cap seems stuck in the 90s with just one genre per song. Stray Kids are different, and that's what makes them unique. There's no doubt that they can produce multiple albums in a year.

[@ericajohnson8145]

You guys should watch music producers and classical musicians react to them

[@poohkbbear]

Agreed.

[@clauu9370]

Honestly I feel like you guys just don't really like stray kids...like maybe you guys should check out other artists idk someone that actually is in your type of music

[@MakeGoodTrouble]

At this point you could almost think they are being willfully ignorant for the hate views and comments at this point! Ain't no way we're this many videos in - with them being full on educated in the comments after EVERY video - and they are still making the same wild baseless assumptions and opinions! Like how???

[@kahmily_wol98]

Really. They didn't like ATEEZ either! 💀

[@clauu9370]

@@kahmily_wol98 yeah, they tend to not like most groups

[@_fluffykai_]

I've skipped through this video a lot and the comments really tell me everything I need to know. And the backhanded compliments/comments are.. questionable. You're entitled to your own opinion, but if you keep at it like this then skz really isn't for you. But I would like to add, in s-class, the hip-hop part did throw me off when I first listened to it too, I said the same thing, "i don't get why it's there.." Though when I really listened to it, almost repeatedly, it does fit. It may be a surprise that is goes in-between those certain parts, but the fact that they were able to fit it in and make it work is cool. It's the perfect spot where the music fades down, like a little break in the song, and then in brings it back up again with Han's rap. They use odd techniques that may be confusing and like "why is this here" or "this doesn't make sense" but in reality it works and it doesn't have to make sense. Skz will make something different every era and album. They will not make another gods menu, the whole point of gods menu was to say "nobody can do it like us" "we keep making new things" "we keep experimenting." They are going to hit every genre if they haven't already. And mix some. Welcome to actual noise music!😊

[@zeinaf8897]

this comes across as trying too hard to hate the music to the point of finding unreasonable and untrue things to nitpick.

[@han_qu0kka_913]

its crazy how you guys just make such rude assumptions while ACTUAL professional dancers, rappers, producers, and singers are doing their research and appreciating their amazing work.

[@jane.naa13]

OMG THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING PHOBIA, thats really one of my favorite songs of stray kids, but its really upsetting because the creator of the lyric video put wrong names so many times

[@krol.mg9817]

Straykids doesn't have a formula. their songs are different, because in a single song you can find 5 or 6 musical styles so SKZ is not for ordinary people, it's for odd people.

[@ishayadav1688]

Yeah it's for *oddinary* people 😁 for clown 🤡 stays like myself ❤

[@videlina978]

@@ishayadav1688 Stay are all *oddinary*

[@ishayadav1688]

@@videlina978 yeah that's what I said

[@videlina978]

@@ishayadav1688 ye I know

[@imnotacrybaby]

3racha makes all of their music, the sub-unit includes the three members Bang Chan, Changbin and Han. Occasionally, other members will also participate in composition and lyrics, but it's usually only Bang Chan (of the members) who works on the beat production and Versachoi (JYP producer who works closely with them). I actually love that you like Comflex (Complex-flex) so much, because it's not really a fandom favourite lol. It might be interesting to see you guys check out Tortoise and the Hare or some of their other solo/duo songs if you're interested in judging the ballads (though, T&H is not a ballad, it just lovingly messes with my brain). Ballad-like - 19, written by Han (MV) - Cover Me, written by Hyunjin and Chan - Streetlight, Changbin solo - Black Hole, Bang Chan and I.N - Secret Secret, written by Han (MV) - Scars, Japanese release (MV) Not so ballad-like - Want So Bad, Lee Know and Han, written by Han - Tortoise and the Hare - Silent Cry, dunno if this counts as a not-ballad tbh, but it's kind of aggressive haha - Miserable, Han solo It's a lot, but I had more and I held myself back. I'm an avid enjoyer of Skz music, but I'm not gonna hate on you guys for not liking a song or two (or three or five or more haha), cause we all have preferences and that's a good thing. Hopefully you guys can get around to hearing more of them and other groups, y'all have an interesting take on music.

[@biancagarcia290]

sclass is a song that shows how versatile they are nothing less so yes, the old fashion hip hop does belong there. They placed it there to show that they are good at everything they try hence the whole song "bragging" about themselves. . and yes they ate that up

[@xoxohyunho]

i know you’re catching a lot of heat in the comments but i would just highly suggest researching the groups before speaking on them for sure. skz is a self-produced group. they do everything themselves with their subunit 3RACHA. thats something they pride themselves on and us stays are proud of them for so just yeah, try researching the most basic stuff beforehand

[@jinwang4927]

THEY PRODUCE 99% OF THEIR OWN MUSIC GUYS !!!!! JYP HAS NO INPUT IN ANYTHING STRAY KIDS BRINGS OUT TO THE TABLE !!!!

[@annacarter5199]

as a kpop stan, im trying to hold in the urge to say "youre wrong" but just like i love mostly everything they do, you also have the right to not. thx for being respectful unlike a lot of "kpop haters". yall are great.

[@skzsh00ter31]

The specific formula seems to follow a Bintro (Changbin Intro), stays seems to have noticed that songs that start with him usually follow that Gods Menu song structure.

[@kpxproductions]

Great observation. In fact, when we listened to God's Menu, Atom pointed out that he felt Changbin beginning the song was their formula, so I think you're 100% correct here. No complaints as most of our favorite songs by them happen to fit this formula!

[@merarygarcia9795]

Check out top line it fits the formula.

[@Sfnm86]

But didn't five out of the seven songs not even follow this formula which was the original formula y'all said they use for basically every song since gods menu.

[@han_qu0kka_913]

yall are the reason they wrote "Cheese"

[@VesperaNyx]

I know the Fandom is VERY passionate, so I appreciate you guys being open to listening to more of their discography. Changbin and Han DO have solo projects and their talent can't be denied. You should check out the following: Changbin "Cypher" Han "I Got It" I will also recommend "Mirror Mirror" by F. Hero and Milli feat. Changbin. F. Hero and Milli are Thai rappers and I believe it's Changbin's best verse to date. He changes his flow 13 times and recorded it in one take.

[@MichelleDaniel-o3z]

Cyclops and many other “strange” unexplained things are Easter eggs, as an homage to past videos. They write their own songs, produce their own music. This actually is the Musial in K-pop. Would love it if you would check out Taemin, the idol of idols. His singing is beautiful and dancing is incredible.

[@ericajohnson8145]

Why are you guys so caught up on the word "formula?" SKZ have patterns, obviously? All songs do? The human brain requires patterns to hear music instead of just random sound. Not saying you don't make any good observations, but this FORMULA for the way you guys analyze SKZ is pretty meaningless/pointless. I don't think that anyone would say they don't have patterns and formulas that they prefer to use. What makes them special is their willingness to subvert patterns and expectations, and their ability to play with sounds in exciting/unique ways. They are considered to be ADHD candy for a reason. You are really new to listening to SKZ. I know from personal experience (and also from watching music producers and musicians react to them), that they use so many subtle changes and sound plays that it's easy to miss things you aren't educated about. Maybe take a step back from all of your conclusions and rankings and let things marinate, bc trying to make so many pronouncements about things on the first listen is undermining your ability to really connect with STAYS. I think it's a bit of a mistake for two western guys to drop in and listen to a few songs (out of hundreds) and then conclude that SKZ is just pop, albeit good pop. SKZ have struggled for years bc they refuse to fit into basic pop molds, and they have so many haters in the kpop culture that they are literally more popular outside of their own country. Your conclusion that the sheer amount of songs they produce must mean they are putting out tons of filler is also unhelpful/misguided. There are several of them working together, and they are highly compulsive creators. They literally can't shut off their brains to sleep. If you wonder why you are getting so much pushback in the comments, it's bc SKZ have taken fans on the ride with them for the past seven years. There are thousands of hours of lives, vlogs, interviews, explanations, demonstrations, etc that they have given us. We get to hear and learn about almost anything we want to. Go to their official KZbin site, and actually get to know them bf you decide what they are capable of. In conclusion (😂), I do appreciate your willingness to keep listening to SKZ, and you do have some good points to make, but you aren't even a baby STAY, so please don't try to be experts on them yet❤

[@norafiana7844]

skz may have many fire songs, but they are not using any particular formula in making songs. they are always experimenting, and now they end up with over 200 songs with a wide range of genres and colours. they have ballad, pop, edm, rock, and whatever.

[@rin.shikto1255]

saying they dont produce or write their own songs when there is videos on youtube of them in the studio and who is doing mostly everything 3racha babes check before you say it because sorry to say but you will have a whole fandom on ur ass if you say the wrong thing. and babes changbin and han are actually rappers i would like to see you rap if ur gonna say other people cant :)

[@rin.shikto1255]

and you can look at past chans room lives because there is him making songs :)

[@robbinsnest6163]

"I don't get it" because you don't "get" Stray Kids. If you don't understand their purpose in writing a certain song or their goals and aspirations then why react to them? When a song confused me on its meaning, rather than making my own assumptions, i looked up why they wrote and the meaning behind it. I've noticed that you guys do not like the songs because you literally don't take the time to understand what's being said. S- class in particular, i followed a Korean couple that went into great detail of the meaning.

[@chocobunnie69]

Reacting to song is fine but if you dont really follow the group and watch any of their other content then listening to a song is really not going to give you an insight on the group. Yes JYPE has a formula but with Stray Kids they are an exception. They were not formed the same way th other groups were. Bang Chan picked all the members and they have been given creative freedom. So for them its sink or swim. T Yes they put out aloy of music because they write their own music. They don't stick to one type of genre. I notice you guys kept talkng about the formula. Every point you made about stray kids is the formula. They dont stick to a specific sound

[@damselflyable]

At this point your whole obsession with the formula is frankly annoying as fuck! And saying how you love Changbin and Han's rapping then saying they're not real rappers?!! Backhanded compliment or what?!💀💀

[@julesundercover]

I just love listening to men state things like theyre fact while adding condescendingly that having a different opinion is ok because you Stan a group.

[@JSKZG]

Tell me you know nothing about kpop or Stray Kids without telling me you know nothing about anything you guys say in your videos. ONE...Stray Kids write and produce their own music - they have full control; two Stray Kids are in their own lane, you can't give them a formula b/c they have different genre's w/ tons of ballads...three calling Changbin and Han not "real rappers' blows my mind. Have u heard of TigerJK? RESEARCH.

[@nikiFM__]

I might not agree with everything you’re saying but I do appreciate that you’re continuing to give them a chance and giving them credit where you believe it’s due. I have a few recommendations. ☺️ Easy Topline Chill Venom Muddy Water(4 of the members) Heyday(the 3 members who write/produce the majority of Stray Kids music. Known as 3Racha) Side Effects(this was from before their 9th member left the group)

[@papawcollins8911]

Just in case you didnt know. Stray Kids 3Racha and the kids write ,compose ,make the music they sing. Watch some of their LIVE videos on stage , they Shine.

[@Lucy_.924]

Please listen to Han’s rap ‘I Got It’, Binnie’s ‘Cypher’, 3Racha’s ‘3Racha’ and ‘Hey Day’.

[@analis760]

Saying Stray Kids has a formula is so wrong because they do not have one. They have released songs in literally every single genre out there. What I recommend to you is listen to these songs/watch MVs in one video and then tell me if you still think Stray Kids have a formula: - Awkward Silence - N/S - Levanter - Chronosaurus - Freeze - Victory Song - STOP - Side Effects - LoveSTAY - Any - Beware (Grr) - Domino - Super Bowl - Why Just to name a few.

[@innacraine]

Sorry for my English. What's the formula??? There are different songs in SKZ’s albums. Do you know K-Pop at all? Understand the directions of K-Pop and understand how SKZ's creativity differs, why music is considered the third separate direction in K-Pop. Do you consider American pop songs to be the standard and compare SKZ's work with them??? American pop songs haven't reached them for a hundred years either by the musical combination of genres, or by sound design, or by semantic load, or by MV. You judge MV by flashing pictures, not knowing what the meaning is in the song, because this is the culture of your songs: songs without deep meaning, you do not need to think, they are designed for superficial emotions. But there was not a single professional comment in your analysis. All comments are at the level of "I think so", "I think so". No arguments, no professional terms. If the reaction is at the level of an amateur, then do not look for a formula, you still do not understand K-Pop.

[@fffppp315]

I agree, there is a formula, it's straykids formula and i like it honestly.

[@thispeachleaf]

Han and Changbin not real rappers? 😭 that makes me feel smart

[@CelestialBlue-m5t]

i really appreciate 1 hour long reactions to skz

[@Tinseltess]

I'm glad I listened to this whole video. It's easy to get defensive, but by the end, it felt like really balanced critique and like this is a space we can feel free to agree to disagree on certain details while still appreciating the group. That was a sweet ending to your deep dive. Hope you listen to the comments and listen to a few of the experimental tracks like Tortoise and the Hare and Side Effects. Since you didn't appreciate dubstep, skip Freeze though it's a fun mini action movie with Dubstep incorporated.

[@rushvatte]

What’s with the ‘formula’ discussion lol

[@aliya4688]

they have a formula It goes kinda like: Intro : Rap line (Changbin or han usually) they usually come in strong Chorus : Hyunjin and/or Felix they're like the face of the group, its only natural Bridge : I.N (sometimes bangchan) Last 30 seconds : Strong, loud and powerful usually after the dance-break, they go wild, the song cuts off abruptly after they sing the sing the chorus with more loud background music "formula" is amazing and it's working for them Some examples: •S-Class •Case 143 •Maniac •God's menu •Thunderous (not 100%, but close) •Christmas Evel •Back Door

[@luvl1xxie]

You should deff react to 3racha by 3racha it’s a song made for the haters. And I’d also recommend hall of fame both bangers 3racha is a sub unit in stray kids! Stray kids have 3 sub units ( danceracha - hyunjin , Felix , leeknow. 3racha - Bangchan , changbin , Han ( producing unit ) vocal racha - Seungmin and I.N )

[@SeaTurtleEatsJellyFish]

Changbin and Han have solo rap tracks: Doodle, I Got It, Scissor, etx. If you want to hear them rap more there are also the 3Racha unit songs (a unit of Stray Kids)

[@gol_juls]

They’re so cool, I love all their songs, Thuderous, Maniac were my first song of them 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@greenboucher6372]

I suggest: Pre-debut m/v “Hellevator” Debut m/v “District 9” and “LaLaLaLa” their last album release, u reacted to Megaverse (the B side) Maybe also “3Racha” and “Heyday” - rap focused

[@Orchid71979]

@39:00 ahaha spoilers…they did write it. I do appreciate your guys povs on these songs. I’d like to recommend that you listen to more of their B-sides (usually the second songs on their albums are title tracks which I think fit the “formulas” that you have noted) so maybe just differentiate from that the B-sides… I did see someone recommend side effects and tortoise and the hare. Would love to see what you guys think about those two songs as they are considered their most experimental songs. ( For the tortoise and the hare I will recommend you read the lyrics though)

[@ellystolk9115]

I known you known we known lee known 😊😂

[@n2sunset]

You all seem really fixated on songs having to fit a formula 😅 Ya never heard of artists having levels… like trying different styles?? Could Stray Kids possibly be over your head?

[@JAMoore-zz3ki]

143 = I (one letter) + LOVE (four letters) + YOU (three letters) The video is showing the conflict between the rational self (the ones dressed as the police) and the irrational self (the other Stray Kids, who have been "infected" by love (the little heart monsters) ). The police try to control everything (aka control their emotions), but things quickly get out of control and in the end, the police are gone and you just have members who are singing, dancing, breaking through glass walls, etc......in other words, they've given up trying to be rational about being in love.

[@FrannyLuvsAll]

Chris and his 182 KOMCA credits means nothing here apparently 🙄🙄🙄

[@krissy1003]

I look forward to your reactions to these bangers: 1. Charmer 2. Freeze 3. Item 4. Hall of Fame 5. 3RACHA (Changbin, Han, Bang Chan) 6. Taste (Felix, Leeknow, Hyunjin) 7. Venom 8. Heyday

[@mimiandcheese1357]

Every member of stray kids had at least one solo song. Changbin in and Han each have a couple of songs that is just rapping. Highly recommend everybody’s solo music. Those two and BangChan also write, compose, and produce ALL of stray kids music. And there are some songs that are written and produced by some of the other members!

[@Gladiolas620]

Three of their members compose, produce, and write the lyrics for all but one song.

[@monikasegedin7473]

They write and produce all of their songs by themself

[@hahehiviman]

you HAVE TO hear "red lights" and "taste"

[@Airfryed_Hyunjin]

💀💀

[@hahehiviman]

@@Airfryed_Hyunjin 🥰🥰😉☺️

[@KimSeungminKneeKisser]

OH MY GOD 🤣🤣🤣

[@Airfryed_Hyunjin]

@@hahehiviman Yooo Lol

[@aanneliise]

BAHAHAHA YESS

[@kellyanngerman3587]

I am going to give you both kudos for trying more. For discovering the discography, for listening to the commenters, who of course will defend their favorites. What I enjoy about Stray Kids is the variety. They will have some songs that become yours (Megaverse, God’s Menu), and others that don’t. Some people lean toward rock or rap, some are lyrically focused and enjoy the ballads. Cover Me from the recent album for me was about the lyrics. I’m glad you’re finding the songs you love. Others will tell you the details of the production by the members themselves. It’s one of the things the fans admire about them most. I hope you keep trying more, and find more songs you love, and that’s what music is all about.

[@ronnie99603]

A few others to check out would be domino, double knot, venom, freeze, and victory song. Domino and double knot have English versions if you want to listen to both. These have a rap base or edm base.

[@talea1992]

Side effects actually hits quite different from them and is actually on of my favourites. They are also very experimental, I suppose the most experimental one is the turtoise and the hare.

[@StayestOfStays]

What the heck is a formula? And does it matter if the song fits it or not? I know none of that fancy music vocab lol Also, it bothers me so much how the video isnt centered lmao🥲

[@iubytamik]

Guys, you really need to understand the message too, so in this way you will understand better the videos and the lyrics 😊

[@AtinyCaratSTArmY_8713]

Im just gonna say I know not everyone has the same taste in music, if you dont like the songs its fine, thats your preference, but the amount of misinformation in these videos... "While also trying to represent the very long time frame of this band of three years" I mean if yall are gonna react to a group at least check basic background info first, they've been a group for six years not three. Plus the things said from the first video that were wrong. "Phobia" is not from their first album, their first album is "Mixtape", " Phobia" is from GO LIVE, which is two years after their first album. "Spoilers guys they didnt write the song" 3racha (Bangchan, Changbin, and Han) write all of their song, minus like 2 or 3. Other members have also helped with composing and production of songs, and there are songs where a certain member will mostly write it and then the others will change something so it fits with the group, so obviously not all song are going to be alike or they have different vibes. "They arent real rappers" They write their own raps, telling the story they want and they are versatile with their flow and style of rap (which rappers do) they may not be the absolute best rappers and are still learning things, but they are still skilled in what they do. "The music videos are weird" Thats because they have lore to their videos, you would have to watch all of them in order to peice together the story line they made.

[@vin0us]

Stray kids write their OWN song

[@MindyRRD6760]

😂 the "formula" is Chan never sleeps and 3Racha never stops writing. 😂 Also, the other members have picked up writing more and more over the last couple of years.

[@aanneliise]

oh girl they did NOT do their research on skz at ALL

[@beccarosewriter]

Fun Fact: They almost gave up on Megaverse. Bang Chan told us this week they almost threw it out. I suggest watching lyric videos to b-sides. Those songs are usually different from the title tracks or songs that get music videos. It's like they have more freedom with those songs. An hour long video of b-sides, it'll slap. Also, feel like you're give JYP a little too much control. 3Racha writes the majority of songs but maybe JYP asks for 1 -2 formula songs an album cause they are good for music videos. Dunno, I've only been a fan for a couple years. Lastly, I wouldn't call them their own genre. I think of them as genre hoppers. Or mixing genres into a pop song.

[@faithsousa1499]

I personally see what you mean on the formula and to be fare they are raised and trained for years sometimes at these companies so to me if they figured out the formula and use it to their advantage im here for it. ❤.

[@harriettholmes539]

143= 1= I, 4= Love, 3= You.

[@Hyunjinscutedimples]

Kinda shocked how megaverse doesnt have that much views I loved the song from the first time i heard it. I FEEL SO HAPPY SOMEONE FINALLY AGREES WITH ME THAT MEGAVERSE SLAPS SO HARD OMG

[@publicaritoo]

About s class, skz always call them the noisy and weird ones, they are odd, that's the reason of the hip hop part, they always prove different formulas, this not always like to all people but it is what it is

[@wakon1]

Stray Kids is definitely that group where you see them live for their b-sides 100%

[@MommaJB]

27:16 multiple formulas for different genres ? So SKZ maybe has 3Racha formulas. For 143 does not have the rewind y’all. Video is supposed to be a play on how weird SKZ signing about love is. It’s not something the “do”! All good

[@bublbun]

3racha themselves ( the 3 memebers in the group that produce, and write, all their songs.) (The other members also write and help produce some songs too) are very experimental, thats why in sclass its so out there thats why they kept saying theyre "flashy" 😂 plus the music videos have a whole story from all there other past mvs so its a lot to get into, you can find some theorizes online tho if you want to understand it, its really cool!!

[@punkmetalbabe]

Stop with the whole formula BS, they don’t work to a ‘formula’. If you think the ‘formula’ is working for western musicians, you are wrong. The majority of listeners have gone off western music, it’s come to a point where it is no longer relatable to the audience. Thats why many western music fans started heading back to 80’s music….now they have groups like Stray Kids, Ateez etc….kpop is filling an important massive gap, that western music is failing to fill. I’m sorry but your picking apart the song S-Class was pathetic when you consider that they have a greater standing within the industry than either of you too….and that song has won them awards.