These 5 female idols have the Worst Stage Presence?

[@kpopzonetv]

Do you think netizens have the right to talk about idols' stage presence? Since this is basically what they pay for and it's an idol's job?

[@oncewithtwice]

I think it’s okay to give criticism, but they shouldn’t hate on them.

[@theophilus1981]

But I think majority of these idols fans would disagree, yes netizens have the right to their opinion but I think it's a minority who think negative about these idols. And to be honest, if you don't like it , stop spending money for these idols, they are not making you do it , the idol performs and presents their product, it's up to you to pay, because you cannot say these idols aren't putting in the effort and hard work into what they do, while it's easy for netizens to type on a keyboard negatively about them, ridiculous.

[@hamsa2903]

Lmao one person says … «aespa has no stge presense» than every person who lacks the iq to think for theirselves follow…..i watched so many groups and aespa for me was the most intresting one

[@hamsa2903]

This is what happens when u give dumb youtubers platforms

[@rashmi5081]

Yes

[@hihi615]

Honestly, to me, Tzuyu's expressions just looked like she was both anxious and uncomfortable

[@Nonyah123]

That's the definition of poor stage presence.

[@skz.1208]

@@Nonyah123 She has a reason to

[@skz.1208]

@Iron and Pine stage presence is not even important like since when did y’all start caring about that that much 💀

[@skz.1208]

@Iron and Pine she literally has a reason tho 💀 why would she smile on stage for y’all dumbasses who treated her like shit since debut 💀

[@tinax2216]

@@skz.1208 what u cant handle opinions? obviously ur pressed cause ur a stan

[@MajoCardona]

I agree with hyewon the moment i started watching izone i notice her lack of any face expresion, she look lost like she didn't knew what she was doing

[@littlebrunar]

I think it was the pression of the temporary group...all the girls needed to have a unforgetiful thing and she did that

[@guinnmyahslaysstaymad]

She was like that since produce 48

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@guinnmyahslaysstaymad ReALLY

[@khaella.d6596]

Kang Hyewon actually graduated to be a nurse but wanted to be an idol. She hadn't receive any training, and that's the reason why she joined PD48(She also didn't antipate to debut, but to promote her agency and receive training), her company 8D creative also specializes in acting rather than being an idol. She once old in a VLive she feels like a shadow in her group IZ*ONE, and barely given lines or screetime. If you look up some of her performances you can see she's performs well on songs when she has most lines.

[@leaperez9232]

For me as a hyewon bias i totally agree with you but nkw she's so different she's more confident and i think during izone she's just improving her skills that's why she can't guve her all:)

[@dubulicious455]

netizens:Minas dance is stiff like a ballerina dancer also Mina: *was a ballerina for 11 years*

[@dubulicious455]

@@shujinko2944 what that’s wrong like yeah ik it’s her hobby but she did it for 11 years she wanted to develop her technique

[@littlebrunar]

But a real ballerina have expressions...

[@dubulicious455]

@@littlebrunar not a lot of expressions tho

[@lulu_Lm]

then she isnt a "ballerina". Thats like saying someone who makes a luxurious meal once is Gordon Ramsey.

[@osomwatsuu6048]

well but she's not here to be a ballerina on stage. she's a KPOP IDOL, she must behave herself or leave

[@-saffie-4977]

I feel like a lot of visual members often lack vivid facial expressions precisely because they're so pretty that they got so much pass for being visually pleasing despite not doing much while performing. There are exceptions like Wonyoung and Yoona of course. But unlike other members who get "in the zone" with the music and choreography in order to deliver a good performance, some visual members didn't need the same drive because people always baby them and praise them for doing the bare minimum prettily. And so when other members grow and mature as performers and develop more charm. They're stuck in the same place as before because they didn't have the need to grow like the others.

[@zenzenitha]

I think being a visual could also hinder them on exercise or applying expressions. They're afraid of making their face out of the perfect doll state.

[@fab1anaalves536]

No. Look at Yuna (Itzy)

[@victjsofjsmdngor]

i agree with the last part… when a member is the visual nobody (netizens) will ever expect them to improve in stage presence, that’s so true

[@p3achyyp8p16]

@@fab1anaalves536 no. 🙄🙄 they literally said "there are exceptions". yuna is one of them.

[@fardiamch]

@@p3achyyp8p16 I think they meant Yoona from snsd not yuna from itzy

[@puffhopem591]

Mina WAS a ballerina and I watched a video where a professional rank twice dance skill and SHE WAS SECOND To be honest she has a very elegant voice and she suffer from anxiety so I think it’s kinda holding her back

[@bobspinach7315]

I think she also has one of the best voices in twice. She just needs a little bit more confidence. I love her chill and relax personality and when she's happy she making those little noises.

[@ohmcb]

Agree. In my opinion, her dance technique is strong. She is not overdancing and wasting her energy, but rather spend it wisely throughout the performance. Personally, i really really like her performance on fancy stage and 1,3,2 Twice world tour

[@pintolornafeb.69]

I must prefer the dancing skill of Jihyo than Mina (no hate) even Jihyo has no position in dance line, she is next to momo in dance

[@uwugirl1830]

Not sure if ballerina has stiff faces liek her Swan lake could never....

[@agorahills.]

This video lacks A TON of research. It's ridiculous to me how they literally went ALL-IN when looking for articles/uploads/comments bashing on these idols but when it comes to basic knowledge about the idols themselves, they suddenly do not know what they're doing.

[@QuoteBlink]

"To have great stage presence, you need to engage your audience." - Elizabeth Bachman

[@coloredcosplaygirl926]

No shit. No quote needed.

[@blacktothepink3571]

Mina lacks stage presence but she’s the main dancer she’s nowhere near bad in dancing and she’s a pretty good vocalist her voice is soft and calm. Her position is 4th in terms of vocal in twice . Also I think Aespa overall really lack stage presence except Ningning. Karina is also average in terms of stage presence.

[@pandakumakumapanda]

I have to agree with this. Mina dance skills are awesome! And also the only member stood out in Aespa is only NingNing because of her stage presence.

[@tyti.covers2878]

@@shujinko2944 um no. that girl has been dancing all her life. she is an amazing dancer. twice dances just dont appeal to her dance style which is ballet/contemporary

[@vixxexo6855]

@@shujinko2944 Mina is not the weakest dancer in Twice. She is not the best like they have Momo in the group and to be honest Tzuyu and Nayeon are better dancers than Mina in Twice songs. But Mina is really good in ballet dancing.

[@caska.7497]

@@tyti.covers2878 The thing is, She did ballet as a hobby. That won't make your entire technique in dancing perfect as some people point it out to be.

[@tyti.covers2878]

@@caska.7497 as a hobby? she did ballet for 11 years, THEN she went to a dance school and studied modern dance for more years. that is not a hobby and is def more than enough time for ur body to adjust to that dance style.

[@realtwicejihyo744]

Ningning is the one who caries stage presence sometimes Karina the other 2 members look sad and mad during performances

[@JH-bb8in]

NingNing's face looks like she farted all the time

[@ssorn4671]

@@JH-bb8in 🙄

[@ytpremium3044]

Giselle and NingNing shined in Coachella performance

[@maryamo7334]

@@JH-bb8in i do lol

[@Zheltyy_]

Most of the time it's the stage presence that makes the performance memorable. Sure talent in singing and dancing doesn't have anything to do with bad stage presence but if you can't even convey the feelings of the performance through emotions then what use is a great voice or sharp perfect moves? It does feel boring...

[@matthewjohnson9397]

Mina's one hurts the most, when they debuted she was shy and it was easily seen. Most clips shown were after she came back from having anxiety, so it's annoying that people expected a flawless performance from her straight away. I do agree that Mina does dance softly compared to the other members but that's what makes her unique, along with her vocals.

[@Hey-jw3dm]

exactly just leave her alone

[@sarahg1002]

Im sorry but i can't understand how you wanna be an idol, performing on every stage, with cameras 24 hours and being shy?? It doesn't make sense to me (no hate tho)

[@pheonix9929]

Lol there are many idols who are shy and introverted, yet they give their best on the stage..... Have you heard of BTS's Jungkook, highly introverted shy boy debuted at the age of 15 as the main vocalist, center, lead dancer, sub rapper and face of the group.... Do you know Taemin of SHINEE, he was also an introvert debuted at the age of 14 as the main dancer, center, lead vocalist..... Have you seen their performances since debut, how they could do so perfectly well, they are shy too..... So Being introvert and having no stage presence are two different things.... She obviously lacked stage presence since the beginning, it's not just after her comeback from hiatus

[@SleepyGalaxy.channel]

Why wanna be an idol if you have anxiety 🤦 i guess you can still be famous by doing digital stuff if just talking about fame

[@SleepyGalaxy.channel]

Okay? So if you're shy, the best career choice is to be an idol?

[@blacktothepink3571]

Why is it always female idols who get bashed for their weak stage presence? and it’s rarely ever male idols. I’m sick of these double standards.

[@sharu5837]

Tzuyu in sixteen hits hard✨...poor girl was traumatized after the flag incident and apology video💔...she is barely expressive nowadays.. that one incident changed her way of personality 🤧..but tzuyu in cheerup era was the best💯

[@ZAstrayZ]

Yes... that was the turning point. After that incident, she threads ever so carefully, it's like every step is being watched, she lost the spark she once had.

[@9wice333]

​@@ZAstrayZ true

[@ilandghost5012]

Its true..... Stage presence is the key to attract fans but neverthless idols are still talented

[@once_sharrron]

I always love Mina as elegant and luxurious, that's how she is and I love it.

[@lulu_Lm]

you love boring and medicore performances? that says alot about you kpop fans. Yall prioritize looks over talent. Yall will NEVER do well in America with that mentality.

[@toefishh]

I love IZ*ONE and I love all of the members (BTW yena is my bias obvi also stream smile) but when I watch fancams of the members, hyewon catches my attention but not for a good reason, she lacks stage presence and energy, its almost like she is going to fall from exhaustion. Especially in fiesta she stands out because she just lacks so much power in her moves and her facial expression is blank as a ghost. This isn't hate or anything and I know that they have disbanded and this is probably gonna go irrelevant but I just wanted to say this. BTW I STILL LOVE HER!

[@hxcneeey3604]

I agree with the hyewon one she always looked lost and stiff when on stage it was very boring to watch now that i think of it except for the personality she really did not add much into izone i was one of the people who used to say she deserves more lines but i don't agree with it anymore

[@lunam.9640]

Why not?

[@orbitstayoncereveluv1960]

girl shut up, hyewon best izone member

[@hxcneeey3604]

@@orbitstayoncereveluv1960 thats my opinion if u can't handle it then scroll down

[@lizziejaystar]

I was shocked when I started to listen to iz*one during TSSOTS Hyewon??? She looked like she didn’t want to be there 😂😂

[@orbitstayoncereveluv1960]

she’s just anxious but she’s the best actually

[@khaella.d6596]

Kang Hyewon actually graduated to be a nurse but wanted to be an idol. She hadn't receive any training, and that's the reason why she joined PD48(She also didn't antipate to debut, but to promote her agency and receive training), her company 8D creative also specializes in acting rather than being an idol. She once old in a VLive she feels like a shadow in her group IZ*ONE, and barely given lines or screetime. If you look up some of her performances you can see she's performs well on songs when she has most lines.

[@softprincesss]

I’ve noticed that it’s the women idols that are targeted the most. There are some male idols that don’t have stage presence either, but use the excuse “they’re just tired” cmon now..

[@cherruveam5871]

lowkey sexism at its finest 🤩🤡

[@jinleft8978]

I watched PD48 and I think Hyewon always been like that. Her eyes always gives a shocked look, although I saw her small improvement over time. I still think her expressions are a bit dull. One of the eye catching thing about idols aside from singing, dancing or rapping, is facial expressions, the power to connect to your audience with just your expressions is also important.

[@riddhima-09]

Lmao half of the kpop stans think looking pretty = good stage presence. Looking at tzuyu's facecams she looks rather soulless and winter looks like she's being forced to dance 💀

[@princessaroyale]

Very true i agree

[@pandakumakumapanda]

Agree.. also Hyewon looks like she didnt want to be in izone

[@princessaroyale]

@@pandakumakumapanda Very True She Looked Like She Was Kidnapped And Forced to do Produce 48 And Then Threatened If She Didn't Join Iz*one Her Family Would Be Harmed

[@_equinoxx_]

So true

[@_equinoxx_]

@@princessaroyale LMAOO WHY SO DETAILED

[@honnissong]

i lowkey feel like hyewon just didnt enjoy even performancing because she barely bad lines. just small raps here and there so i feel like she wasnt confident. when she does try her best shes mostly put to the back. hyewon lacking facial lacking facial expressions has caught my eye too and i feel she just didnt get a chance to express her true potential. but now shes showing more her singing abilities that she didnt really get to do in iz*one and is more likely confident 💕

[@pessoinhacansada6900]

I actually laugh HARD at the girl of IZONE fancam because she look SO TERRIFIED like there's someone with a gun pointed at her. It would make a GREAT meme like "dancing while my parents watching" or something. Honestly I don't think they NEED to be PERFECT. They're humans, and some mistakes are quite funny, and should be taken less seriously.

[@BunxBunstudios14]

Mina's expression suits her. She is like black swan meets ice queen. I love it!

[@skyleigh995]

Mina and Tzuyu is an introvert and Tzuyu's cold aura is what attracts me to be a once and i can say that she already improved a lot since debut the reserve personality she's showing must be the effect of the issues thrown at her in that flag incident before as for mina I won't agree that she was the worst her dancing skill is already good that is why she's also one of the main dancer in twice.

[@walkrunfly..........2438]

Tzuyu is too composed and pressured as the visual. That's why her stage presence is bad

[@muskaanaggarwal4664]

@Deliru ko well her stage presence isn't good at all. I have watched many performances of twice . Being energetic doesn't mean stage presence. Just doing dabce move sharply doesn't make u have GOOD STAGE PRESENCE. JIHYO is the one who has best stage presence in twice . Her expressions her way of carrying herself and her aura always shines.

[@lily_art_creation]

@Deliru ko well jihiyo stage presence is better than tzuyu .

[@edrivailleslayinlifeu2833]

Being an introvert does not excuse you for performing charismatically in the stage tho. There are a lot of introverted female & male idols who are fire on stage. And they clearly pick Mina as one of the main dancers in Twice because she's did ballet before. Stage presence equate to having expressions that naturally flows along your performance and being able to engage audiences. But then again, I respect your preferences of being drawn by cold aura (❁´◡`❁).

[@dimpledsunflower]

I think Mina is pretty expressionless in general? Like I’ve rarely ever seen clips of her smiling widely. I think she is capable of making more expressions though, and it would definitely upgrade her stage presence. Like I saw her smirk in a fancam and it was pretty hot.

[@hihi615]

Well, Mina is a ballerina. She was trained like that for a good majority of her life, and ballerina's don't really make too many facial expressions while performing. I think this is why she's so elegant and why she doesn't really change her expression. Not only that, but I think she's a bit... shy? anxious? not confident? introverted? a bit too chillaxed? I think her personality really *shows* in her performances. But I honestly, I think her elegant adds a bit of nice diversity to Twice's performances.

[@nameless9851]

Mina is so painful to look at. I know that she has anxiety and that's probably the reason why she's so uncomfortable and empty on stage. I bet she's a perfectionist, therefore, at times, she just tries to rock the coreo in a precise way - and not really enjoying the performance. Their latest concert series is a pure joy by the way. Maybe the front cameras bother her that much? Some people are like that (including me lol), performing just does not come naturally as we are thinkers and not doers.

[@porshaphillips1612]

Hope there’ll be a male version of this because y’all always find the time and energy to criticize female idols.

[@loren_luv8400]

winter surprised me with her Stage presence and performing skills during black mamba era , she's so good... I'll just pretend she wasn't mentioned in this list

[@Angeliki-u4x]

winter was good and interesting to watch during black mamba era, not anymore tho. All of aespa should be on this list bc after black mamba their stage presence went downhill. *update- i take back what i said about all of aespa being on this list, ningning surprised me a lot this past month !

[@putritanjungsari9454]

Yeah.. black mamba era is aespa best stage presence but after that it's downgrade so much. Maybe bcs covid so they r rarely performance in front of many ppl. idk why

[@Veralidainai]

@@JH-bb8in Or maybe she's someone who watches kpop regularly like most other fans and can notice when an idol is half-assing a performance? You don't need to be anti anything to realise facts.

[@nikiistan4232]

Talk about loving overrated ppl

[@mariahlol2488]

@@nikiistan4232 who

[@glencoconut]

My theory was that certain visual members are instructed by companies to keep their 'visual' face? Like some of them seem to have a very facial expression like Mina's cold stare or Wonyoung's little smile, I feel like I almost always seem them in those 'picture perfect' expressions

[@jesslovesu]

5:17 "toowie" LMFAO

[@nayara733]

shuhua may not have a good stage presence but she has improved and it's actually miyeon who has the worst stage presence in idle, she never has an expression on stage and always seems to have no energy to perform, she looks bored and never improves your expressions

[@AlM22]

True! Miyeon should be here too

[@aaliyahmontefalcon9430]

True it should be miyeon not shuhu

[@tzuhua]

shuhua has a son naeun vibe when she dances lol the worst in gidle is miyeon (literally the jisoo of bp) but she can sing so it's okay lmao

[@johnkim6574]

Excuse me!!! Did hear it right? Like I know MINA'S stage presence and expressions are not that great. BUT..... but saying that she has bad Vocal and dance is degrading to me as a Mina bias. Mina has one of the best vocals in the group and she is literally the main dancer of the group

[@sakumaballs127]

tbf twice’s vocals arent great in general (their vocal trainer sucks to the point that some of the members dont go to them), so twice isnt rly a vocal oriented group. Like most JYP groups, twice are performance oriented, not specifically towards dance (the members are decent, and mina is 2nd best out of the group), but towards stage presence. Mina is a vital member to the group’s overall presence, as she, dahyun, and jeongyeon, add softness to the group. They balance well with the rest of the group’s boisterous presence.

[@nati.715]

about hyewon, when izone debuted, i thought hyewon was performing so poorly because she had just debuted and that it would get better with time, but she keeps the same expression on her face throughout the performance, like she's always insecure or with scared, she doesn't have much energy when she dances either, izone already disbanded, but i still wonder why the hell and how hyewon debuted in this group, it's unfair...

[@prosantapaul1698]

Mina is super pleasant and interesting to look at her natural grace. Not everyone has to smile and be hyped if they have her gifts. Complainers are pathetic.

[@dubadduwariwarimoa1453]

Stage presence isn't about the facial expressions, stage presence is about making the audience have fun or vibe or enjoy the show

[@QuoteBlink]

"It's a great band and it's great to back up a singer with great stage presence and stage charisma." - Lori Stofft

[@Peikkey]

“Average dancing skills” No way anyone called a main dancer an average dancer NO WAY THEY CALLED THE SECOND BEST DANCER IN TWICE THE WORST DANCER

[@나의사랑미나]

@@shujinko2944 delulu

[@rashmi5081]

@@shujinko2944 exactly. Jihyo is so good with her dance. And dance is just not dancing to the beat and looking pretty. One needs to express their emotions too through the songs which Jihyo does well.

[@supercalifragilisticexpialido6]

@@shujinko2944 I agree Main dancer of twice should be : Momo and Jihyo And lead dancer of twice should be Nayeon and Sana

[@rashmi5081]

@@supercalifragilisticexpialido6 Yess.

[@user-lg6qr2bh9f]

Anushka Kumari Y’all have no concept of dance technique to make claims like these.

[@hihi615]

Hyewon I think is just trying to keep the image of 'perfect', I think she's a bit afraid she won't fit the image on stage. Because idols are supposed to be perfect. That's just the vibe I get... But she also seems really nervous on stage, I feel like I can quite literally hear her internally screaming to herself *"DONT FUCK UP DONT FUCK UP DONT FUCK UP-".* But honestly, when she's on stage, I sometimes prefer for her not to smile because for some reason whenever she smiles on stage, it doesn't reach her eyes and it does seem a bit creepy.

[@sdaf3667]

I gotta admit that a lot of idols actually lack stage presence. Like good facial expressions are different from looking pretty

[@hihi615]

Winter does lack, but I honestly feel it's only because of her concept. If she were to do a cute concept like Twice, I think she'd be just fine. Also, she doesn't seem to enjoy performing, that could be due to not being able to actually sing, being uncomfortable or not liking the song or other reasons.

[@your_sugar_sista5156]

Actually I was not surprised to see tzuyu and winter here cuz they were in the thumbnail but also they definitely did lack stage presence and the reasons are valid it's okay to be an introvert but about mina wtf I don't watch her fancams much but she is not good at dancing and singing ?? lmao tbh in whole twice I love mina's voice the most ( no hate to other members) she is just my type and "she can't dance" this has to be a joke

[@destined2bebossy]

As a fan of f(x) this "stage presence" convo makes me so conflicted RIP Sulli

[@nikiistan4232]

Most overrated idol is winter ,nos koreans saying she is role model without presence,fake visual,only sing dance,bcs rap is about flos

[@samsam3845]

I dunno but me and my sister enjoy Tzuyu m’s fancams the most in twice she has a great energy and very charismatic.

[@luffyd.monkey5496]

Mina's cold aura is her asset .. for me i want to see her like that . Than do cute things

[@hiitsmesahi]

I think except Jihyo nayeon and Sana every twice need to improve their stage presence...

[@procastination_is_my_passi4182]

Knetz vote to debut idols just for their visuals and are then confused when these idols have mediocre skills lmaoo. Maybe next time, focus on talent over looks

[@milevenendgame]

Why cant people just enjoy the idols and not keep on bashing them? Everyone's so highly opinionated.

[@MsMeeka-lr6uf]

Wonyoung is one of the only visuals who has amazing stage presence and charisma.

[@uniqueorn8487]

and the fact that she's younger than many of these idols shows how professional she is.

[@mikamii9880]

Is it just me? I feel like often the girls that get so much praise for their visuals start to turn stiff over time. It’s just a thought I had, and by no means an excuse, but I feel the pressure that comes within getting constantly praised for your visuals only, can often lead to idols feeling like they always have to look absolutely flawless, not allowing themselves diverse facial expressions (maybe even feeling anxiety) they could be looked at as ‘not so pretty’ anymore if they would just give a damn and live their life on stage. I am just thinking of 2 examples, Krystal and Mina, both got anxiety, both got looked upon of not showing much facial expressions. Tzuyu also seems like she lost more and more confidence in herself and truly accepted her role of just being a pretty doll, which is sad because I feel if there wasn’t this constant, visual pressure, she may would feel more free to showcase her actual talents and losen up a bit. I am not saying every idol who suffers anxiety is that way, but I do feel it could make sense. Having anxiety, can make you feel awkward about showing facial expressions, or expressing anything at that point.

[@us2769]

Hyewon is a bit pretty boring in every stage of ize one. When other members try so hard she is so stiff. And i am kinda mad cause in the video you said mina hasaverage dance skills when she is a main dancer in twice and her dancing is so smooth. Tzuyu's expression were a bit lacking in the debut era but now she is giving all her energy and she improved alot

[@Fashionholic_digitalart]

Ningning carrying their group's stage presence on her back.

[@agorahills.]

"Mina was also rated as the worst dancer in TWICE because her movements are so soft, and tend to be like that of a ballet dancer," NO F_CKING SH_T, SHE WAS LITERALLY A BALLERINA FOR 10 YEARS??? WHAT IS THIS?! There are many types of dance and to think that y'all judge her for THIS ONE SPECIFIC type and call her a terrible dancer IN GENERAL/OVER-ALL is so mindblowing to me.

[@supercalifragilisticexpialido6]

@@shujinko2944 the fact is that even if she would take her ballet seriously then also she couldn't be a good ballerina cause being in Japan and taking ballet as a dance career is not a good decision I have seen in one video the in Japan they tend to mix ballet culture of different countries most specially North America and Russia all these sources are from a video

[@gia_d26]

THE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS ARE NOT THE ONLY THING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WHEN TALKING ABOUT STAGE PRESENCE. THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN IN CONSIDERATION AESPA ANTIS LMAO

[@itzystreamingplaylistsonch5471]

They look bored in almost every performance its not antis its the truth

[@MixerfromNeverland]

Why are we only blaming netizens? You are just throwing them all in one basket, while they aren’t the only ones voicing their opinions. Fans of other countries can be just as or even meaner

[@frozenhoney33]

Ikr they should have a facial expression but having it also get hate like~ Winter get hate for no stage presence Wonyoung get hate for showing same kind of expression Tsuki get hate for showing too much much expression What idols can do ? And sadly haters usually don't comment much, it's mostly fan they are like we are not haters or hating her but she is cringe, creepy, weird, pick me etc isn't that word are used by the haters.. they can dislike their way but don't dislike idols even tough they are idols but they are humans too like us and no one can be perfect at everything

[@snsdkbopper7819]

That Step Back song would make anyone have a bad facial expression! And Mina’s dance skill was very sexy and fluid on her 132 fancam, where she clearly outshined the other members.

[@Yuu-d7b]

Lol the delusion in this comment is crazy. Boa in step back has amazing facials expressions. Mina dance skills are not sexy nor fluide, and nothing compared to momo or jihyo.

[@mouis4]

Idk why but I think Mina is like me. It's not that I got no expression but I overthink a lot so I'm scared to show expression bcs I think that it'll be too much and people will judge me for that. Also my personality is 90% introvert, so maybe that's one of the reasons why I'm so scared of the world lol

[@mimieyaka5106]

Idk why people keep mentioning mina, shuhua and tzuyu when there are worse idols with sp? Mina has normal sp that matches twices songs if you watch her fancams, shuhua has improved sm and i believed tzuyu had no sp too but after watching her fancams theres something theres she doesnt just have a blank face.😒

[@valentinechitthu1048]

I can't stand idol being acted like over-cuteness or changing many expressions like creeply cause It's so cringe for me to watch. At least these 5 idols doesn't make me cringe at all but i think they just need to relax and have more fun on stage.

[@toefishh]

(JUST BEFORE U READ THIS I AM A ONCE AND TWICE IS MY ULT) Mina was literally a ballerina for 11 years before she trained to became an idol. Even though she does lack power, but she is sharp and clean and she is also up to the tempo of some fast twice songs. She is the second best dancer for a reason, she dances soft and elegantly and she even recalls old dances like tt or cheer up. Her facial expressions are cold, fierce and sharp and i can get why people complain as of lack of emotion but that is literally her signature moves. ALSO people say her dancing is stiff and soft bruh she was a ballerina before being in twice so she probably has tendencies to do things because she is switching dance styles so drastically. As for Tzuyu, in my opinion she lacks sharpness and power in some of her moves, in yes or yes she looks so awkward and forced? I don't know how to explain but when she does that move where they swing their arms behind her head, she just looks so stiff and also I notice that she bends her leg too much as well, could possibly bc that she's forced to bend to fit with other members heights?👀 But on the bright side, her facial expression isn't that bad, its certainly not the best in twice but sometimes i just catch myself staring at her and replying the clip of her dancing in Dtna because her smile is so sweet. Both members have shown so much improvements since debut.💜💜🍭🍭

[@littlebrunar]

Her dance is really good!But ballerinas need to have expression...go watch some videos of ballet...Mina could never

[@KM-ne1ft]

Honestly I still wonder what is shuhua's role in g-idle. She always just there. Nothing else. It is not like she is the only foreigner to ever be in kpop and korean isn't actually that hard to learn especially when she has been living in korea for 4 years+ trainee years? Very bizzare.

[@viri6509]

agree

[@wanderer-my-beloved]

Yuqi is also foreigner but i rarely see people talk abt her struggle in korea lol

[@naomianajemba9367]

winter is improving please stop bullying her😭😭

[@Momo_Moyai]

They're not bullying her they're just criticizing her stage presence because its not good ☠️

[@LiD0349]

Mina overall is just very… bland and boring compared to other idols. Yea her voice is ok but other than that, there’s nothing overly special about her. She’s definitely the most “meh” person in twice and 2nd gen female idols

[@johnrea8173]

I definitely have a biased type according to this video... Mina, Shuhua, Irene (not mentioned in this video but in many others). Just remember it's an opinion, even if it's a popular one. I just remember they're human first.

[@tamminawar]

Mina was freaking hot on their latest concert and i'm still not over her so yeah for me She's really cool

[@joyce.e_]

twice and aespa always come to mind when talking about lack of stage presence. i love nayeon and ningning tho. 🫶🏻🫶🏻

[@georgek6445]

My opinion for Tzuyu and everything won't change,she's an icon she is a legen and she is the moment♡

[@Gunso790]

I don't think Mina is expressionless, she got her own expression of sexy/cold but still has presence seen on her eyes. Just opinion and I'm not Once.

[@iluvsonia]

ok but if i got, practically non-existing lines as shuhua gets id be expressionless too ngl 😭

[@emmanueltecla7237]

In defense of Hyewon, there are a lot of factors: first of all, 8D (the company she came from as a trainee in PD48) focused more on actors rather than idols, so that’s a first reason for her lack of skill. Secondly, she wasn’t a trainee for a long time and yes, many other idols are in her same situation as well, but not everyone was born with dancing talents and many people have to build this ability from scratch, starting at the bottom of the barrel. Thirdly, I think that Hyewon is also a shy girl who isn’t as confident as others, so trying to focus on being in perfect sync and executing every move perfectly has an effect on your expression, because when you focus you usually get a blank face. She did improve her skills, slowly but surely, and I think that with some more training her idol dancing skills will become even better if she decides to keep going through that path. Stay strong Kwangbae!❤️✨👑

[@orbitstayoncereveluv1960]

TRUEEEEE

[@FayeNavarro-q4p]

You should add Miyeon and this list would be complete.

[@annfrancis2406]

It's always funny to hear netizens say things about these Idols. But in reality, the idols are doing just fine, especially the ones that have been in for years. They are all still succeeding while all the complainers are still sitting behind a computer monitor and keyboard with nothing to show in their pathetic lives. The Idols are succeeding in life while most are still living with their mommies and daddies.

[@keplyz7213]

Truthfully , i know hyewon would be on this kind of list🥲

[@jisooturtlerabbitkim7160]

I don’t hate winter but I feel like ningning should’ve been in step back instead of winter just saying

[@bgjm6399]

this is accurate. I always thought mina tzuyu hyewon shuhua can't portray anything with their dance. though shuhua has better moves, she is still awkward. I didn't realize the same with winter until this video. I always thought winter is good but there is something off and now that you mentioned I realized what. If I have to choose hyewon is worst at it, sorry to her fans but she never improved, her moves are unfinished too, it's like she just memorized the move and went along with the members

[@isometimespaintstuff]

They're overworked, underpaid, and psychologically scarred.

[@TianXiaoMao]

On Produce 48 they kept trying to get Hyewon to change her expression and she just couldn't do it. I thought it looked like she had botox in her forehead because she can't move her eyebrows or change her eyes AT ALL. It's actually really unnerving imo.

[@imthespritehobialwaysasksfor]

Idk.... I mean.... I'm not even a fan of aespa but I really don't think Winter should be on this list.... no matter how many times I've seen people pointing out her on her stiff expressions I just can't see where is the stiffness I think she looks cool and powerful sort of in control....u naurrrr

[@boyyyo]

those people just try to attack her since their favs can't beat her

[@nikiistan4232]

@@boyyyo favs are better,talk about koreans streaming fancams for his typical visual

[@Dooyos]

From what I know, Tzuyu, winter, and shuhua improved great amounts. If you watch their latest fancams from The latest comebacks they improved a lot.

[@Psykhe.pewpew]

Lack of stage presence doesn't mean untalented. I think it's Bec of their personality and social awkwardness. Which isn't good because being a k-pop idol means so much more than singers yknow

[@skylr4700]

"Kang Hyewon" I love everything about this girl~ Her elegant visuals~ Her cute, shy, and nerdy personality~ Her intelligence~ I know that not many people will like, and will critizice her for her flaws... If you guys would give her a chance to get to know her, you wouldn't exactly call her a "Soulless Queen". Hyewon may lack in some skills when she was still an Idol... But she still managed to capture the hearts of her fans, along with all her Best Friends (which is all the other IZ*ONE members)

[@taylora7777]

Hyewon is just bad in general

[@pinkprint2988]

this video was about stage presense yet you made this comment thinking that they were critisizing her personality among other things …?

[@oso5539]

@@taylora7777 you say she’s bad in general but she’s richer than all your favs and prettier. If she’s bad how do you think she managed to debut in IZ*ONE???

[@taylora7777]

@@oso5539 Did you know that produce 48 final line up was based of other people votes. People who voted for the most pretty ones…it’s not like it was professionals who decided the line up If it were professionals Hyewon wouldn’t even make 50 place she’s untalented. One of the worst K-pop dancers. One of the worse singers one of the idols with the worst stage presence she only debuted because she has pretty privilege. Replace Hyewon with anyone pretty but with talent and Iz one could still do good Hyewon brings nothing to Iz one except looking pretty

[@thememberwiththebesthair4325]

5:04 not a fan of gidle so i don't really know about their stories, but this reasoning is really questionable to me. Isn't yuqi a foreigner too? I think being a foreigner is not a very good reason for having lesser lines than other members but it also depends maybe she is really not that good in Korean? idk because in winwin's case in nct I kinda understand why he's not given that much of lines when he is still in nct127 because boi is really having a hard time on speaking the language but he improved overtime.....

[@andinkify]

Shuhua has improved a lot now

[@Teeeeooo]

mina might lack in stage presence but saying shes the worst dancer in twice its just wrong... shes a main dancer for a reason

[@blackpinkdynastyanbangtanlover]

Even if Mina had tried to improve her facials expressions which for me I never noticed it but I have noticed that sometimes that Mina do be lacking energy and her choreal but from how much the girls work I kind of don't blame her to pretty much be down on energy at that point but at least when she does perform she gives her all and she shows it in her movements in her facial expression so even if she did try to change it up a little bit so why bother changing what works.

[@littlebrunar]

Its company's fault maybe...visual always have blank expression to not ruin their image of pretty and ingenue

[@csk2799]

@@littlebrunar I don't think that's the company's fault, Irene is a visual too, and she's very fun to watch, her performances aren't boring. Mina seems to be too focused on her dancing, not too much on her expressions and stage presence. She's always staring into your soul like👁👄👁️.

[@littlebrunar]

@@csk2799 irene is a very elegant performer and gave us smiles and poker face but i think it's jyp fault

[@littlebrunar]

@@csk2799 irene is a very elegant performer and gave us smiles and poker face but i think it's jyp fault

[@kayereian6487]

Jisoo of Blackpink is stiff and not even here lol

[@mfsatan]

People only talk about stage presence when it is about the female idols. Nobody ever points this out in the case of a male Kpop idol. Most of the male Kpop idols don't have any stage presence but nobody ever says anything about them. Can we please not have double standards?

[@salaamsisters6906]

Even tho winter has bad stage precence I just love watching her she doesn’t even try she just like 🙄 like sm forced her to be there

[@sm1417]

During black mamba they did amazing but during next level and savage they were tired filming content after content. People really need to think about that before point their fingers on Aespa.

[@anu0525]

About hyewon she have lack of stage presence because no one is worried for her and always ignores her like everyone in this chat

[@waltergrove2657]

Mina is like that because she was trained that way ever since she was young. Ballerina facial expressions are supposed to be like that

[@mintermelon]

not to hate on hyewon but she really puts me off when i watch izone mvs... like u have other members all smiley (even when they do a straight or serious-like face, i still feel emotions) but when she goes on screen i cant help but look away.. she's still pretty tho..

[@niknitsbee]

clearly you dont know before Mina debut she was very shy but now she gain confidence and yet you bash her. Her image shows elegance and feminine. Btw, she was a ballerina for 11 yrs and yes her moves makes her dance like that.

[@winmar2623]

No one is perfect. even those critics have tons of flaws compared to these idols they criticize 👌

[@Vimanas.8209]

Freddie Mercury used no facial expressions. I watched all of QUEEN performance videos.