Kratos Meets the NORSE FATES (Norns) vs GREEK SISTERS OF FATE [God of War Ragnarok and GOW 2] UHD

[@glp]

Great to see Kratos refer to the Greek Sisters of Fate in in Ragnarok and also highlights the stark difference of the Greek pantheon as opposed to the Norse gods in the God of War universe. If you enjoyed the vid, make sure to like, comment and share!

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

For some reason, I like Lahkesis.

[@nicolagiraldo829]

@@stevenkurtz2730 ohh finally one, indeed, Kratos is one of the third cousins of Lakhesis, Atropos and Clotho

[@nicolagiraldo829]

@@stevenkurtz2730 No, I meant that the greek sister of fate are Kratos' first cousins.

[@JabamiLain]

Which of the Fates do you people like the most ? On one hand, try to control destiny 100% is too toxic for everyone's souls and a society's progress proccess, making the Norns wiser. On the other hand, imagine the knowledge over the very fabric of reality you had to acquire to grasp such power as control over time... I respect ambition. Though maybe I should contain it more given this is such a critical element.

[@alejandrosakai1744]

It was good that the Moirai of Greek mythology and the Parcae of Roman mythology as the Sister of Fate because I believe that God of War might be set in Archaic Greece.

[@GotFridged]

Fates: We control your destiny. Norns: Your destiny was always in your hands, but you're so painfully predictable that we know where it ends anyways.

[@vlad_47]

The less words, the more powerful the message.

[@lorpeyniri3559]

@@vlad_47 exactly

[@LichtTempler]

@@vlad_47 Fewer words, greater impact. )

[@aidenparker5955]

The Norway girls are sick of everyone's crap, And the Greeks want complete control.

[@HomelessOldMan9000]

Fates: sounds like a skill issue

[@mattemattics5667]

Sisters of Fate: “We ordain fate!” Norns: “Bruh we just guess lol.”

[@parodyres]

The way Urd says Kratos slays gods is hilarious. She makes it sound so casual, like he's picking up groceries instead of an some epic feat.

[@zhaoyun255]

Well, weren't that most of the cases, LOL? I mean look at all of the gods he killed except for Zeus and Ares.

[@charleshall1168]

To him it might as be.

[@tonysnyder2216]

I mean it does track. Just about every game he kills a God, celestial being, mythical creature etc.

[@demetriusjohnson2804]

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[@demetriusjohnson2804]

​@@zhaoyun255 zz0008

[@matthewshiba3997]

1. The Sisters of Fate : Controlling Destiny via Time Manipulation. 2. The Norns : See the Destiny via their Foresight.

[@glp]

100%

[@zidniafifamani2378]

With enough information portion of Zola Algorithm will also do the same

[@anderson5071]

do you think the zola algorithm could be a real thing?

[@zidniafifamani2378]

@@anderson5071 as if it isn't already?, don't you ever wonder why KZbin front page for each person is highly customized to fit each individual depending on content they already watched?, or online ad too?. Sure, it isn't perfect by all means, but they do have some degrees of accuracy, doesn't it?. It's basically disorganized CtOS program.

[@anderson5071]

@@zidniafifamani2378 yeah It's scary how much data companies like Google Amazon Meta have

[@sentilopis]

The Norns actually give a very hopeful and useful message to Kratos. That there is no grand design, it’s just that the actors are terribly predictable, and that breaking the script is possible if they just wake up to it.

[@schen7913]

It's a bit unclear where the script-breaking happened though.

[@radcoreboy1838]

@@schen7913 Ideas: 1. "Open your heart to their suffering." The events that followed eventually led to THEM breaching Hrimthur's flaw and not Ragnarok. 2. The whole thing with Tyr maybe? It was predicted that Tyr is the one to lead the armies of Ragnarok. But what eventually happened is that Kratos agreed to become the general. 3. Wait. When was Kratos supposed to die? With Thor maybe? Either way, he did something out of character... not killing a god. All of these are possible actions that broke the "script".

[@sentilopis]

I'm thinking one big deviation was that last fight with Thor. The mural depicted that Kratos would die in that fight. If we may recall, Odin appeared immediately after the fight stopped, Thrud was also only seconds away. So if Kratos didn't choose to put down his rage, and appeal to their common sense of love for their own children, persuading Thor, Kratos would probably be the one dead if the conflict continued. It should've been the natural flow of things for Thor and Kratos to battle to the death. A sudden de-escalation would be the extreme outlier event.

[@sentilopis]

@@radcoreboy1838 It kinda makes sense. If they chose to sacrifice the Midgardians, the Midgards and the boy Skjold would probably be killed in the process, which would completely piss off Thrud, possibly leading to her death at the hands of Kratos. Which would steel Thor's resolve to kill Kratos along Odin.

[@no_less03]

@@sentilopis , nope. Thor wasn't supossed to fight him to death and kill Kratos 'cause it simply makes no sense at all. In fact, he was overwhelmed by Kratos mainly due to the fact that the axe had Eitr. Atreus was the one meant to kill Kratos by perfoming the same spell he perfomed on Odin probably to protect Thor after he turned into the ghost of sparta (and probably killed Thrud since she's the first character you find when Ragnarok begins.) Thinking Kratos would die in a fight against Thor is an absolute no-brainer since he's known to be capable of murdering gods even when he holds back (Magni and Modi). Actually, that's what Kratos said in gow 2018 ("no, this is your story") and gow Ragnarok explicitly stated Atreus is the one who changed the course of the events. Angrboda realized he had changed his own fate when he found out Kratos would die in his hands. Meanwhile, Kratos actions didn't change anything until the last fight against Thor: he still killed Heimdall just like the norns predicted and he feared he'd turn into the same beast he was back in Greece until Atreus asked him to trust him and comforted him (Atreus would've been forced to kill Kratos if he hadn't changed his own fate.) Basically, there were 3 possible outcomes: - Kratos didn't kill Heimdall, which would get Atreus killed and he'd probably go ghost of sparta at least against the aesir and he'd probably die since he's going against Thrud, Thor, Odin, Sif and pretty much everyone sided with the aesir. - Kratos went mad against Thor and Atreus would have to side with the aesir, which would get Kratos killed. - Kratos finally let Atreus handle the situation. Odin, Thor and Heimdall would die.

[@animanco6833]

I love how the norns fate are represented. Each acting like they looking at certain parts of the games story board. The teenage norn represent the characters dialogue The adult norn represents what the character is about to do The elder norn represent how ideas of how the story/plot is going to unfold. Pretty meta

[@Servellion]

Plus, they're kind of embodying the phrase by Shakespeare. "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts." And here the Norns get to play their parts.

[@wzzreaper46]

Nice spot 👌👌

[@giangvu5986]

Pretty much like a play in a theatre imo. You enter their place with “curtains” in front, the lady of present speaks in 2nd person(narrator of whats going on), the old lady of past speaks of what happened as facts in 3rd person, interact with the “cast” and tells somewhat future(you will learn that heimdall intends to kill ur son), and the young lady of the future always tries to speak in 1st(jumping into peoples dialogue because its too obvious to her). And then various stuff like Exeunt Omnes, curtain falls, dramatic music ending at the end of this “Act”.

[@drinksomestew8159]

They each represent the 1st, 2nd and 3rd point of view in a story

[@owenjones7522]

Nobody says meta

[@CampingforCool41]

The norns are so interesting and well written I wish we saw more of them, but then again it’s perfect as it is. They present a very unique perspective on destiny that I really like.

[@Baloo106]

I like the Norns. They actually help, they are a bit assholish, but I guess knowing everything is exhausting.

[@denos1699]

Maybe also cuz they weren't gonna die if they offended them xD

[@ukiyo5601]

As they say, *knowledge can be a curse* . And also maybe because they don't want to piss off a god killer.

[@akuladoctor7355]

Knowing everything also means knowing the limits. If this were an earlier, and more angry, and hostile version of Kratos, then they would have given what he wants right away without any play, or hassle. They knew, that messing around a bit, and showing off is not enough to make Kratos go to rampage.

[@sonicman9910]

@@akuladoctor7355 Even young Kratos would not have gone on a rampage, he mostly killed gods who were hostile towards him

[@akuladoctor7355]

@@sonicman9910 Young Kratos would have lower patience. I believe the outcome would have been the same, but with less messing around. They would have told what he needs to hear quickly.

[@michaelbk0076]

I don't see many people pointing this out, but Kratos never actually killed the first 2 sisters of fate, only trapped them in another point in time via destroying the mirror that they were sent through. So, it's entirely possible that he could meet them again down the line, as unlikely as it is

[@RomMor2]

Actually one of the producers, Cory Barlog confirmed that. He said that only Clotho is dead the other two are alive but trapped.

[@skelepunner745sans5]

Time travel makes my head hurt

[@cailco100]

Not very likely he'll meet the last two fates. As by trapping them in the past. they will forever be just out of reach. sort of like being sent one second back in time. you are now forever one second behind everyone. and nothing you do will allow you to catch up that lonely second.

[@cristhianramirez6939]

They are in the phantom dimension

[@mr.cantillasz1912]

@@cristhianramirez6939 they being sent to the philippines

[@bat_mobile7545]

When Urd said "you will die Ghost of Sparta" i never thought she meant it metaphortically, at the end of the game there is mural described Kratos as a beloved god and mentor of all, it meant his persona the Ghost of Sparta has been laid to rest for good.

[@gasalpha879]

I want to think she meant it that way as well, ghost of Sparta was the monster that destroyed Olympus, by the end of Ragnarok that monster is dead

[@TranshumanMarissa]

Its possible she did mean it literally. My take here is that.. well, I think Kratos avoided his fate the way he was advised to.. by changing from an archtype, changing who he is. Its subtle, but the Norns Imply you can only change fate by changing who you are, not by brute force, or by knowing Fate. Odin wanted to know the answers, because he thought he could change things if he knew the answers, but explicitly, the true power to change fate is Kratos decision to be better for the boy. Which, yes, does mean he ended up substituting his metaphorical old self rather then his literal life.. but I think that was because of his changes.

[@DDragon1226]

It's astounding that basically all of what they said are the truth. Urd said Heimdall intends to kill Atreus, never said he will succeed, she said Kratos will do what he does best, which is killing Gods, which he eventually does. And more importantly, she said that only their choice matters, which is the truth for both of them, as Baldr did die a needless death due to Freya's fear after hearing that very line, and Kratos will go and craft a God killing weapon because of the line he heard right here. Essentially, these 3 are storytellers, so they tell the story in a way that influence the choices of others. Even if Kratos doesn't have Draupnir spear, Atreus will still be fine, but because of what Urd said he goes on to trigger Ragnarok. "That your choices are so predictable merely make us seem prescient". This one line sums up it all.

[@lumberluc]

The Norns were more cooperative than the Fates. Fates just said "We control who lives and who dies" Norn are "Yes, we've read the script a thousand times now. Now, Kratos dear, you can either save your boy or let a certain man kill your boy."

[@PhotonV10]

The Fates / Moirai were loyal to Zeus, while the Norns were neutral

[@DenLim123]

The Norns maybe also knew that Kratos was a god killer and they just didn't want to be part of that shit, 😂

[@rkadi6540]

@@DenLim123 since they dont really take side, should be wise to not bother a slayer of gods. When i first played gow2 i thought sister of fate was neutral. And when they said they do zeus bidding, i know how sister of fate would end

[@wilianrodrigues5280]

I feel like they mostly helped Kratos because they knew otherwise, Kratos would have them on the chopping block Because they may foresee fate but they cannot prevent their own death unless they actively prevent the path that leads down towards the possibility

[@giangvu5986]

“You kill gods but now you are sad about it ?” Guys its not the first trilogy anymore lol as if they would let kratos enter if they knew hes coming for their asses. Kratos makes a good story and they want the Spartan to die so the new All-Father story could start

[@ajwatcher]

Sisters of fate: control destiny via magic Norns: sees destiny via logic

[@northernalpine4350]

Norns Believe that fate is determined by your choices, they merely see what those choices lead to, imo that makes them far, far better fates

[@Horrorcrusher8312]

Virgin Sisters of Fate: We control destiny itself! The Cahd Norns: It's adorable how you feel the need to do that at all.

[@craytherlaygaming2852]

Norns to the Fates: You guys made the foolish decision to fuck with a guy who murders gods... so your fate was to die to his hands.. Now then, where were we... Ah yes... this is a good part.. the ghost of sparta dies and becomes the wise king of the nine realms. Yo, Fae, you helped wright this one

[@nero5789]

@@northernalpine4350 Sisters of Fate in Greek had much better characterization IMO, I mean god of war 2 is entirely about Kratos finding them and breaking his fate. Norns are cool but there is not much going on with them when it comes to utilizing their characters, and using them will make things sort of boring tbh

[@arianalikens5300]

@@Horrorcrusher8312 lmao sistster of fate stomps them

[@uhobme2028]

1. Imagine what GOW 1+2 would look like with Ragnarok's graphics 2. The Norn interaction was probably one of my favorites in the series

[@jkrayger92]

We might get next gen remasters on the first 2 games maybe even a remake

[@lumberluc]

Yeah, Greek Fates, boobs and all

[@leemarcus6123]

high def booba? count me in!

[@Starsdealer]

Fr

[@hampter7188]

We need GoW 1,2,3 remake with GoW 4 and 5 mechanic’s

[@ryanhernandez5632]

The way they dissect the lives of our three heroes is so cutting. Kratos while extremely annoyed is not only taken aback but is left speechless. Even freya given the answer she was the reason bualdre died, can't accept it. But that's the result of subverting the future. Where there's death, there will always be death, and by trying to prevent the outcome have only insured the predicted result The three norns just told them there all just so predictable they barely need foresight to determine what will happen. But I feel this was also them giving kratos his answer. They told him they are the sum of there choices, so one would assume they need only go against there nature in order to forge a new path.

[@JokeSwag]

Interesting note on the Norns speech. Urd always talks about what has happened, Verbandi talks about what is happening, and Skuld speaks on what will happen, that’s why she’s able to predict what the characters will say. She’s not in knowledge of the future, but she basically sees the past and the current is able to predict the future.

[@fdk12]

All my years doing Tarot reading, this is the way for me that always been done.

[@Wurzelknecht]

Which is also what the Norns stand for in the mythology. Urd knows the past, Verdandi the present, and Skuld the future.

[@trevorvanderputten7430]

The Norns calling mimir who he was theorized to be in the last game is great, truthfully good to know he really is Puck. Quite interesting.

[@rektl2036]

Puck?

[@pontius428]

@@rektl2036 English folklore character, basically a court jester but for fairy’s

[@dentangaji6161]

@@pontius428 What makes them theorized that Mimir is Puck? I mean aren't those 2 characters from different mythology?

[@chocox6491]

@@dentangaji6161 in a world where multiple mythologies exist

[@dentangaji6161]

@@chocox6491 I get what you are saying but why Mimir specifically? And in addition to that they also theorized that he is related to a character from english folklore.

[@imair1153]

"Because he thirsted for revenge! ... and cause you kill gods... " freaking killed me :D

[@Servellion]

I like that Verdandi and Skuld keep coming and going after they speak their parts, as if they're in some play. Urd is more direct, but she does it too. Makes for a great contrast. The Fates of Greece controlled everthing, wrote everyone's story. The Norns? They've seen the play. Hundreds, if not thousands of times. They know when and where people will say their lines and do their bits before bowing out. And they seem sort of playful here because now they get to step onto to stage to play their part and even at the end, they come back out in a bit of an encore performance.

[@Horrorcrusher8312]

10:28 I love this line from Freya especially provided it's directed at the Greek Sisters of Fate, though honestly I don't know if it's her response to their actions or to Kratos' actions with the power of the Sisters themselves.

[@TaskForce-ql3bx]

I think it’s the power of time travel itself and anyone using it. It’s a fair point the amount of stuff that can fuck up.

[@KageNoTenshi]

I like these three new ones, they don’t try to control everything nor need to, they know you will screw yourself over, and even tell it to your face

[@joejones8454]

Laugh in it too

[@jjcondado]

I like that they represented stages of life too, Adolesent, Adult, Elder

[@case7]

It's the Neopaganist triple goddess archetype. The Maiden, the Mother and the Crone.

[@aisadal2521]

I was so happy to see the Norns make an appearance in Ragnarok! Skuld, Urd, and Verdandi definitely look awesome in this interpretation of them; I loved their fourth wall breaking, which was really creative 🥰

[@craytherlaygaming2852]

Imagine them watching Kratos and Boi(Atreus) fight the two Valkyries while Ragnarock is brewing. "Raaaooaorrggh! says Atreus as he turns into a bear!" "The Ghost of sparta pulls up his blade to strike the Valkyrie true" "Everything they had done up to this moment was for the sake of those they loved... NOW GIVE ME THAT QUICKTIME EVENT ALREADY!"

[@fallenjedi3015]

The Sisters of Fate made for cool fights, but the Norns gave me actual chills. After everything Kratos went through, they basically confirmed that his fate is his in hands and that he had to make change for the end he sought. Chills 😆

[@KalvinEllis]

Norns: There is no destiny. Fates: We control your destiny, foolish mortal!

[@JabamiLain]

Unlike the Norns, who were neutral towards chaos, the Fates opposed it with a passion, so they took it upon themselves to become the very definition of destiny and time so they could create designs that favored their vision of peace and order. And as we saw, they were successful in convincing themselves they were destiny's will incarnated.

[@Draydin224]

And look what happened to them. They thought they could control fate and got ground under the wheels of someone more determined then they to control it, and ultimately both failed.

[@craytherlaygaming2852]

Norns: well now look who got themselves killed by the 'foolish mortal'. Really makes you wonder who's the real fools, the arogant bitches thinking their omnicient, or the 'foolish mortal' who keeps on murdering gods... yeah it's the fates who are more foolish,

[@timeportal2859]

@@craytherlaygaming2852 Sisters: Watch your tone pretenders of fate Or we will End your mockery of existence. Norms: Make Us!!! Sisters:>:|

[@V0RTA]

The norns scene is basically breaking the 4th wall.

[@craytherlaygaming2852]

The Virgin Fates: Control destiny, fear being overthrown, make their own destroyer while failing to understand their own prophecy. The Chad Norns: Vibing as they casually break the fourth wall.

[@fukyubichh7989]

- sincerely a virgin guy🤓

[@lukaskahan3500]

dont disrespect the sisters of fate, GOW exaggerates a lot of greek and norse folklore

[@festethephule7553]

@@lukaskahan3500 ...God himself exaggerates Greek and Norse mythology? What?

[@lukaskahan3500]

@@festethephule7553 which god?

[@festethephule7553]

@@lukaskahan3500 That's what I'm asking you. I'm very confused.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Kratos defying fate is what we humans have been trying to do for many years in real life.

[@calebstephens6059]

But failed badly.

[@mavvynne444]

@@calebstephens6059 Some human were successful in that attempt

[@aut0mat1c11]

Trying to defy fate is our fate, tragically.

[@aut0mat1c11]

@@EggEnjoyer no, time is linear, and were here to endure for the chaotic ride that it is. Everything is predetermined, we think we're free because of our ignorance, ignorance is bliss.

[@Baloo106]

Ah there it is. The most pretentious thing I've read this week.

[@marktmartin22]

I'm very tempted to have a theory that the Norn Fates actually did know how to change things and that they pushed Kratos and antagonized him with his violence and guilt to change. They used Freya's tragedy as a motivator to his own and basically said "If you don't change you will die." This pushed only one realm to be destroyed and not all in Ragnarok. I don't think they are as powerless as they said. I think they just didn't want to interfere much or let Kratos that they had that power. All Gods get used and killed by him. One of the proofs that really convinced me on this, is that being able to predict the future outcome of patterns of personality is one thing. But the Norns were actually SPEAKING every word they were saying. Everything. This isn't possible with prediction. Not word for word. This is supernatural.

[@briobrandon911]

They mustve known how the Sisters of Fate intervened in his past life (the part where they “deemed Zeus to be victorious” already and made sure not to make the same mistakes.

[@DgardsGaming]

Well I don’t think they have the same power as fates but that doesn’t mean that their knowledge isn’t powerful, and yes they didn’t want to interfere like the fates cause they aren’t evil like them and corrupted by powers

[@sippyboivergil9198]

The Fates: "WE'LL ERASE YOU FROM EXISTANCE HAHAHAHA!" The Norns: "We do a little trolling."

[@craytherlaygaming2852]

"We did... a lot of trolling" "We go too far with our trolling" "We're about to do a lot more trolling"

[@jamesestrella5911]

They are Norns of the Norse, hence trolls.

[@spinozilla2421]

It seem interesting the first two sister of fate seem immortal, they were able to take a stab to the head and not die, only “dying” when kratos broke the mirror they were trapped in which I assume wipe them out of existence, while the third and final sister died from a blow to the head

[@PhotonV10]

The devs said the first two sisters of fate are still alive, just trapped in different timeline and plotted a revenge

[@JabamiLain]

@@PhotonV10 I prefer my fan scenario, in which they didn't return until the events of "Ragnarok" because Ares's explosion forced their bodies to regenerate until the end of the events of "GOW 3". Although I'm curious, does that mean the Greek Pantheon could find a way back into our reality, which by the way makes me both glad and infuriated, because I hate "Endgame" time travel theory. If we take into consideration things such as the Mandela effect, I think it's safe to assume the timeline does change when you alter the past. And besides, how does creating a new timeline work ? How do you create a new past without destroying the previous one ? For us, our past might become the future, but in the universe's perspective, the past is simply the past. Yes, I know the theory that time is endless, but I think that only proves my point, because if time is a circle and not a line, that means when you create a new past, it repeats over and over again, leaving no room for the old one to exist, because the new point in time you created becomes the new past, present and future of that time ⭕.

[@Broomer52]

They’re fate incarnate, unlike the Norns who are just very smart. You can’t kill inevitability, so they were simply sealed away from this timeline by thrown through time and having their mirrors shattered.

[@nz7677]

I much rather prefer the Norns. It makes all the biggest questions become so obvious with a sense of hope. - What happens when Kratos fights Thor? "Kratos dies, what else do you expect when the mightiest Norse god fight against a retired old god who refuses to use his full power?" - How can Kratos survive against Thor? "Do something different. It is not fate, Kratos just have to make a different choice. There is no need to have a fight to the death with Thor. Instead, do what Loki did. Talk to Thor, use your words instead of your weapons."

[@salahsaleem518]

The thing with that is the "kratos of sparta" did die at the end of the game there was no more ruthless no mortal life noncaring revenge machine the god of war is dead he's been slowly dying but this time he is only kratos this one lives. And about the thor part as soon as we heard thor talking about kratos holding back in their first fight and kratos consistently saying he don't want to kill any gods it was clear thor was never going to kill kratos. Mostly it was the fans theorizing about it but in the game there was never a statement or a hint that thor would or could kill kratos if kratos remotely goes all out.

[@TranshumanMarissa]

You can say that if you want, but remember.. the Norns pretty much explicitly imply that you can change fate, if you make new choices, become a new person, and KRatos literally chose to open his heart to people, "For the sake of our children, we must be better".,, so the prophecy was probably very literal. Kratos was probably destined to be fucking wrecked by Thor. Dont forget, The Norse gods are *beasts* physically, In an interview, it was said that Baldur was the strongest god, physically, Kratos had ever met to that point. The powers and magic of the Norse gods isnt up to the Greek pantheon, but they are monsters in physical fights, and Thor is probably the strongest of them. Kratos might have met his match in Thor, even going full rage, and even though he is apparently way stronger then he was in the older God of War Games.

[@connorclemmons8698]

For anyone curious, you can’t return to the location of the Norse Sisters of Fate. I tried and it’s revealed the passage is blocked.

[@OblivionSoldier]

Norns are simple foresight givers and acknowledge if one where to change their ways they could avoid an outcome deadly or not deadly. Sisters of Fate have someone's end set in "stone" with usually no way to change it...Usually.

[@joshamboh7465]

A same differentiated side of thee same coin exchanged differently

[@CJ-442]

Verbandi: He resists the urge to grunt. Kratos: grunts Verbandi: Oh, he fails. The man can kill the Fates and defy prophecy, but when something really annoys him he’s always gonna grunt.

[@2067792332977602]

Kratos: ok keep it together, unless they pull some shit on you, dont do it again like the last time. The norse fates: oh shit oh shit oh shit, is him is him is him, keep it together, give him a hopeful message and maybe he will be calm enough not to kill us.

[@chakinabox]

Please chime in anyone and help me wrap my head around this. From my understanding of how fate/predestiny works between the two groups; The Sisters of Fate have (almost) absolute control over people's fates and outcomes so of course the only way around that/changing it is to kill them outright. For the Norns they can simply see ahead of them what is most likely to happen like advanced statistics. They understand the character traits of a person down to the minute detail that they can predict what someone is most likely to do or say with 99.9% accuracy. I'm using statistics because obviously Kratos and Atreus avoided their tragic predicted fate, but their actions based on their character still led to certain outcomes anyway (Ragnarok) so there's always a margin for error, that 0.01%, that things can differ in some way or form. Edit: Funny note - hanging around the Norns seems like hanging around several Joseph Joestars predicting what your next line is 😆

[@aut0mat1c11]

I think you wrapped your head around it quite enough.

[@ГригорийГ-ч4н]

Your next line is going to be "Yes, this is a JoJo reference"

[@androxtempest3913]

Yes,this is a jojo reference

[@finallyimginger3223]

the norns can also choose to keep secrets from others, knowing that when they tell the "destiny" it either seals it or changes it. take freyas, if they told freya never to worry about baldur then would she still have made the decisions that lead to his death? or did they decide that since baldur must die they told her he would die a needless death? but they told kratos his and he was able to defy it because they knew he needed to survive

[@Broomer52]

You basically got it. The Sisters of Fate are past present and Future. They control the fates of all through their abilities. Because of their nature only future can be killed, the other two cannot die so rather than try he sealed them in different timelines and severed their connection to ours. Effectively sealing them away. They live but they’re not here anymore. The Norns on the other hand have no ability to see the future or control time and fate, simply being people who are very intelligent that they seem like they can see the future when in reality everyone is just very predictable to them.

[@lisannawilfhelm5819]

I think one of the keys here is that Kratos accepted that he will die, hence he's been training and spending more time and protecting atreus as much as he could. Also, because of Faye's interventions, Kratos became more open... So at the end of the game the gang can't visit the norns again, no?

[@GotFridged]

They sealed the entrance to the lake. If you go back with Atreus in tow, Kratos will remark that he thought Atreus would have like to have seen the Kelpie.

[@TaskForce-ql3bx]

@@GotFridged which is a bad idea considering how Loki is with Horses lmao

[@gordonmcmillian6145]

So, after rewatching the Norns , I noticed (I’m sure everyone has) that each of the norns eloquently displays some near foresight that showcases a different aspect of time. The young woman doesn’t say anything that hasn’t already happened I.e: furrows his brow, resists the urge to grunt, he fails (past), the young one speaks the words simultaneously with the characters I.e: I seek my son, speak plain (present/immediate future) and the old woman who “you will die kratos of Sparta” (future).

[@Revenant1128]

The existence quite similar but different approach. The Sisters of Fate, Enforced their version of fate to the person by manipulation of time. Which means if some will be successful in his life they can go back and make it miserable which may also served their own agenda. From the game suggest that they can only went back to the past and no knowledge of the future. Norns, Does not enforced but inform the fate of someone via foresight. They know what the future holds and it is up to the person to change it or not.

[@JabamiLain]

Oh, the Fates had foresight, otherwise their fortified keep wouldn't be filled with murals depicting Kratos's destiny. They simply couldn't stand such horrific vision, and sought to keep it from happening. The reason the Sisters announced Cronos's defeat was exactly so they could be the only ones who controlled destiny. Their foresight of Cronos eating his children and allowing the Great War to happen, thus creating the Evils, probably made them believe it was better of they alone ruled time, as it seemed Cronos did not have order written in his agenda.

[@inkosiyamakhosi6841]

“YOU ARE THE SUM OF YOUR CHOICES”

[@mavvynne444]

Freya said that the Norns doesn't have the same power like the Sisters of Fate and this shows that the Sisters of Fate is far stronger than the Norns

[@zidniafifamani2378]

I think "far less subtle" is the far more accurate description since they directly shape the course of every event, unlike Urd (past), Verdandi (present) and Skuld (future) are simply stated what can be happening to the world around the characters by seeing records of their past and present every decision to create complete image of the most possible future. What's the Norns did can be best summarised in this phrase: “The intricacies of any action are complex. the reactions numerous, yet mostly predictable.” -UNSC AI SN CTN 0452-9 "Cortana".

[@ukiyo5601]

In short, the NORNS see the future ahead, the fate of every being but they have no ability to change the course of history. While the sisters of fate have the ability to change the course of history, they can also see the future. Something like that i guess?

[@4wheal]

Are they through the sisters can effect time and make what they want happen but they are just as valuable as any other creature and clearly can be surprised and over come. The Norms understand each person so well that they can tell what everyone will do so are never surprised by there actions we also never see them in combat so we can't say for sure how stong they are.

[@Fat_Rucker]

Pretty much, one can manipulate time and the other can see through time.

[@alvinnugraha5264]

True, but The norns are way more interesting and more intimidating, scary... Sister of fates are just some boobs bruh

[@alejandrosakai1744]

So, Kratos met the Sisters of Fate also known as the Moirai in Ancient Greece, and the Parcae in Ancient Rome, when he was in Greece. In Scandinavia, he met alongside Freyja and Mimir the Norns. But if Kratos goes to Egypt, there will be only a fate God, Heh, or if he goes to Celtic lands he will meet the Goddess Aerfen!

[@kaltv6486]

The look on his face as they left he wanted to kill them..

[@chutuoc4452]

So, the Norns sisters had mastered the Jostar power of "your next line is..." Intriguing!

[@georgehouliaras7239]

And the Greek ones have mastered Za Warudo since they control time.

[@ashurad_fox5991]

The Norns sisters: has King Crimson's future sight ability Sisters of Fate: has King Crimson's cause and effect time removal ability (but fails)

[@jf_kein_k8590]

The Norns also confirmed what Mimir told about himself in the previous game. He was indeed Puck.

[@gustavo7074]

Kratos trying his absolute best to be a calm and reasonable person while having flashbacks of destroying the previous sisters

[@wilianrodrigues5280]

The fact the Norse Fates know of Kratos, I feel like they should be scared of him to some extent Especially since the last fates he met he trapped in a mirror and flung them out of the timeline altogether

[@akuladoctor7355]

They have nothing to fear from. They know him so well, that they knew he won't fight for as long as he get the information he needs. So they gave it to him. Unlike the Sisters they are neutral, and have no allegiance to anyone. If they were serve Odin, then either they were given a different information, or simply get out before Kratos arrives, or kill him if they can. If they can't, then they know it, and survive by avoiding the fight.

[@jonh387]

"You will die, Ghost of Sparta" Somehow is quite right since he changed his ways. To be more then he intends by the end. The Ghost of Sparta died. And is granded the opportunity to be the god he wants to be.

[@jamesbeard5513]

These Norns are less intrusive than the Fates from Greece. Easily as arrogant, but no direct control over people's lives that the others had.

[@grimmywizard]

The Norns are some of the most excellently written characters in the history of storytelling.

[@grimmywizard]

@Carlos Gabriel absolutely.

[@KJetixsSuccessor]

The Greek ones are like as Freya said: Irresponsible teenage brats. The Norse are more…annoying but wise. Like that weird/different but kind friend everyone has.

[@FlickTakFlakAttack]

The Norn are far, far, less mystical than the Fates, yet they're easily a hundred times more menacing...

[@facundomontivero2299]

Nah.

[@Kn1ghtborne]

Nah

[@craytherlaygaming2852]

Menacing? nah... but they certainly don't take shits from anyone and probably would have given the Fates a "you stupid?" look when they tried to threaten Kratos

[@КонстантинПаршуков-о6б]

The Fates (Moirai) are immortal, no being can destroy them. So they eventually will get what they want, even if they'll have to spend millions of years trying to achieve their goal. Definetely more scary than just 3 old smartasses.

[@kkkkkkk957]

Norns might be the reason why some of the Norse gods know about the Ghost of Sparta

[@carbonsteelbladetheorigina7993]

1:07 Kratos has always gave ZERO Fucks! 🤣😂😭😭

[@ronan4672]

Looking back, everything they say will happen, technically does. They never said Heimdall does kill Atreus, they said he intends to.

[@akuladoctor7355]

Except the final part. They say Kratos's story will soon end. Which is a fail unless, if their definition of soon is very different from ours, or if the next game start with his final death.

[@meka_tama]

​@@akuladoctor7355 They probably already lived for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. So "soon" is quite relative...

[@akuladoctor7355]

@@meka_tama True. However the way they say it suggest it will happen during Ragnarok, but it didn't. Or perhaps they are just full of shit. Or perhaps the next game start with Kratos's death, or perhaps his retirement. It could be, that by ending his story they mean ending his fights. And the "you will die" is simply how his story will truly end. Though that part is true for literary everyone.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I see what they did with the Thumbnail.

[@glp]

[@darnylgaming4377]

I don’t get it?

[@harrypeneas]

@@darnylgaming4377 look at the síters of fates boobas man 😂

[@TrazynTI]

Who are the norns; The norns : We are the writers and directors limited edition special commentary.

[@thalia5382]

The maiden, the mother & the crone

[@western_gunner]

Uh so question to those who played ragnarok, what choices actually did Kratos made to avoid the norns prophecy? (Kratos died), and I thought the prophecy in the stone tablets (previous god of war ending) were lies?

[@faradise3819]

Him allowing Atreus to be different than him, kind and caring. He said "Open your heart to their suffering" which is a different lesson from the 2018 game. It was Atreus as Loki befriending Thrud and convincing Thor that Kratos managed to survive their second battle.

[@western_gunner]

@@faradise3819 Thank you for the explanation, didn't knew this was the key.

[@jacobkern2060]

Sparing Thor and helping evacuate Asgard were probably the big ones to changing the course of events that the Jotnar and the Norns foresaw. Also worth noting that the tablets weren't necessarily lies, but a way things could have gone.

[@lesslighter]

And that they were convinced that they do not need to murder ALL gods but 1 schmuck especially when you consider what Ragnarok is in terms of associated mythology where no god is supposed to survive

[@facundomontivero2299]

@@lesslighter But there are survivors in the actual tale of Ragnarok from norse mythology.

[@rickygilbert7204]

If you think about the fates (Lahkesis and Atropo) are now stuck in that time line of existence were Kratos once again kill Ares. So in a way they are stuck in a never ending loop. A poetic ending for them lol

[@CertifiedMayagendist]

Sisters of fate: we decide your life Kratos: counter-argument, I dont give a fuck

[@craytherlaygaming2852]

Norns: *giving thumbs up and eating popcorn*

[@Blue-Jell-O-Squad]

this music is 16:05 followed by "I enjoyed your story, Kratos!" really give me chills but angry at same time

[@joshadegbemigun5297]

This is a masterpiece!

[@McMerlin11]

Sister of Fate: WE CAN END YOUR LIFE! Kratos: >:/

[@marcelhuntyupwalukow5005]

In the battle Kratos vs Atropos, you can see Kratos's face is full of fear

[@XenoRaptor-98765]

Hollywood really needs to take notes from the norms or the Norse sisters of fate.

[@teardataco8913]

They prophesied kratos’s death on the basis that they know what choices he’s gonna make. They said it themselves, they don’t have a grand script or anything they just predict the choices he’s gonna make in the future. All he had to do was do something unpredictable to escape their false prophecy.

[@facundomontivero2299]

Their prediction could have become true at the end though. In a metaphorical sense. Kratos is no longer "the ghost of Sparta".

[@teardataco8913]

@@facundomontivero2299 these mfs don’t make prophecies they’re just overrated bettors

[@facundomontivero2299]

@@teardataco8913 Okay edgelord.

[@teardataco8913]

@@facundomontivero2299 ?? 💀

[@Lars_Ziah_Zawkian]

Prophecy timeline: Faye dont hide the prophecy or have kratos dream about her ＞ kratos seeks vengeance ＞ sif and thrud dont side with atreus and thrud is killed after attempting to kill atreus ＞ thor becomes insane with hate and rage, uniting with odin and killing kratos ＞ atreus heartbroken now wears the mask to undo it and ends up insane and manevolent due to the fotbidden knowledge. Canon timeline: Faye's actions ＞ kratos seeks justice, not vengeance ＞ thrud and sif side with atreus ＞ kratos and thor battle but kratos spare thor ＞ thor is sent away, odin is killed ＞ loki goes, atreus stay

[@JabamiLain]

Also, since this video is about destiny: For those who are still mourning Pandora and Hephaestus, there is a "Kingdom Hearts" fanfic focused on Roxas in which one of the worlds he visits is precisely the Greek Pantheon from "God of War". I think you guys would like it. The name is "The Twilight Will".

[@DgardsGaming]

“You will die, Kratos of Sparta” If you think about it, he did die just not the way we thought. Not in a literal sense

[@blackagentsmith3562]

I'm Glad they made them more wholesome

[@bryantan4228]

The Norns never leave their secluded hideout because proactively acting on any of their own prophecies would cause a self fulfilling prophecy situation that killed a bunch of Greek oracles. They fear fate more than anyone else so they hide from it.

[@tykamen5588]

Ironically enough the Norns were more helpful than their Greek counterparts.

[@GreyNimbus41]

There is no fate or destiny. Only possibilities.

[@JackOW3]

He sounds like count Dooku and that's ironic 9:19

[@Chili_Taker]

I could feel some wanting to kill the Norns yet they can't, and that's why I like their scene, cause they pissed them off! XD

[@bambakalioni0641]

I don’t think the norms are that strong

[@nate742]

@@bambakalioni0641 Then again, I don't think that's the point of them. they're not some monolithic entity to destroy in a boss fight. They are merely readers of the cosmic script of the characters.

[@leonides1527]

Greek fate: you. Will. Die Kratos: oh dear. Again? -_-

[@ashurad_fox5991]

Kratos: (already died 3-4 times in GoW 1-3...) Kratos: Does the gods of olympus really want to see me again..? (Later... Kratos did die. But the gods of olympus breath a sigh of telief as he was Revived by his enemy during the fight)

[@Mr.Derogatory316]

God of War 2018: Kratos to Atreus: Fate!? GRRR No Good Comes From That!!! Atreus: OK!?

[@dr.argent9043]

Seriously, the part when Kratos meets the Urd is creepy and astonishing

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Imagine if all the God of War games graphics were updated and remastered. 2022 style.

[@piercepatterson9274]

Remasters for all the Playstation Classics! No exceptions!

[@gamerdude7481]

They'd be even better than Ragnarok because they don't have a whole game to program. Just graphics and maybe sounds to redo like for Halo 2 anniversary

[@weaponizedlizardmen360]

@@gamerdude7481 if they wanted to do it justice though they would still have to remake it. Just upgrading the graphics and sound won't really be enough.

[@hampter7188]

They really need to remake GoW 1,2 and 3

[@NoraF64]

They going to censored the Bob ;-;

[@godlyusername2911]

2:42 that glitch funny as hell

[@yoshidasaki17703]

I miss the GoW fanservice 🗿 Hope someone make the same fanservice mod with the new one

[@xxwarxx6227]

Kratos: I really don't know why, but I have a big deja vu to my greek past

[@abdirahmanibrahimmahamu5409]

Well on plus side at least kratos didn't kill Norns and can't said the same for sister of fate

[@izhasanzi527]

16:05 background music 👌🗿

[@Ysumguy]

Imagine being the game writer who had to write this scene.... Must've been so confusing if you lost track of organization. Lololol

[@jaxielll3195]

just imagine the old god of war games like ragnaroks playability

[@jaxielll3195]

and the graphicssss

[@rt_huxley9205]

Fates: Boobs Norns: Trolling

[@JeroenDoes]

Ans it is so easy to deny their proficy. Just do not seek out Heimdall. At least refuse to kill him.

[@thaliuswarborn1148]

Somehow The norns with their All-Knowing attitute pisses me off way more than the Fates with their abuse of control of destiny itself Something about someone not necessarely being able to see the future but being clever enough to correctly guess your future actions with assumptions based on how horribly predictable everything looks to them like they're above it all to me is way more infuriating than the one-dimensional "i'm gonna abuse my power because i can" type of tyrants that the Fates were.

[@d4dr4g0n]

It's probably because fighting yourself is so much harder than fighting someone else. You know what they say about hindsight being 20/20

[@devondavis5119]

This was great

[@ltitus8900]

Imagine the Greek gods getting a visual upgrade. Even as they are now, the make the norse gods look like the real pretenders.

[@chrisnichols9014]

That's because the Greek God's are are way above them in power. Seriously, The Sisters of Fate make The Norns look like simple witches.

[@ltitus8900]

@@chrisnichols9014 💯

[@vlad_47]

facts

[@xcreenplay7264]

man seeing this for the frist time was such a mind fuck esp not knowing nothing the norns

[@marcelhuntyupwalukow5005]

In the battle Kratos vs Atropos, you can see Kratos's face is full of fear

[@jofez27]

Just realized that the norns' names are the same to an anime show called "Oh! My Goddess!" 😃

[@updawg6900]

Freya just said what the players we're thinking Shut Up!! Skuld😂

[@Janovea]

Exeunt Omne: All actors leave the stage

[@gingervsginger]

I just think of Count Dooku when I hear Zeus

[@adamdailey6675]

I hope I'm not the only one who thinks that Skuld and Veroandi are beautiful