The Book Was Better: Troy Review

[@CoolG97]

It's kinda cheap how whenever the Iliad is made into a movie, they go for the star-crossed Lovers/She not happy with her husband plot, rather than a husband going to war to save his wife after SHE'S BEEN KIDNAPPED. In actuality Helen was at best kidnapped (some depiction of art show her STRUGGLING against Paris) and at worst roofied by Aphrodite into loving Paris, (Wouldn't be the first time the goddess did that). Menelaus isn't even that bad, it's his brother that's the asshole.

[@l.tc.5032]

She seemed to be pretty happy when we see her in The Odyssey. So yeah.

[@CoolG97]

+L T C. Not to mention when she and Menelaus die they remained married in the Isles of the Blessed, which is like Heaven+++. There is even an entire play dedicated to Helen wanting to reunite with her husband and kid(s).

[@angel7661]

Not to mention Paris was married before Helen and just abandoned his wife when Aphrodite said he would be give Helen hell Helen was only accepted into Troy because King Priam sister chose to remain in Greece with her family rather than return to Troy. Let's not forget when Paris lost to Menelaus, Helen was excited about returning home.

[@doesntmatter2467]

From what I here she was also kidnapped by Thesius when she was quite young she was way to hot for her own good.

[@GaoDaHoi]

Lets face it... The true Paris was a Dick. And the King of Spartan never blame his wife for running away with another man......

[@jademaskell322]

I got so annoyed that 1) Patroclus was Achilles' cousin, he most certainly wasn't and 2)That their relationship wasn't built up more. Regardless of what you interprate their relationship as- romantic or other wise, Patroculs' death CRUSHED Achilles to the point where he refused to leave the dead body, he fucking slept next to it, and he didn't eat or bath most of the time. This was important to the story and explained why Achilles was so angry.

[@CeltycSparrow]

How were they related then?

[@ebonydarknessdementiaraven8918]

@@CeltycSparrow They weren't related

[@ideljenny]

@@CeltycSparrow Depending on what and how you read it, they had either one hell of a bromance or one hell of a romance going on. Regardless, there was a ".. mance" involved.

[@CeltycSparrow]

@@ideljenny kind of seemed like some kind of mance to me. In the swordfight scene when we first meet them, it looks like they are flirting with each other. Definitely did not take them for cousins until Achilles specified that. lol

[@hopethornhill3905]

They were GAYYYYY

[@TyBurney]

A film were Sean Bean actually survives.

[@Litovoiu]

Ty Burney He survived Napoleonic Wars in Sarpe's series

[@l.tc.5032]

He also survived The Martian.

[@Jezzikah287]

He also survived in National Treasure, except he gets arrested in the end.

[@ThatRandomEncounterGuy]

T. L. Burney pretty sure you can count all the movies Sean Bean doesn’t die on one hand.

[@danielbroome5690]

Ya but tbf his character goes through the next 10 years in a living hell before getting home to Ithica.

[@entr3_nou5]

“Romance”? That’s like... the LAST thing I think about when I think about the Iliad. ...unless we count Achilles and Patroclus.

[@scouttyra]

I can really recommend "The Song of Achilles" if you like that relationship

[@meloneatingwolf1882]

The goddess of shippers Aphrodite was in it and there was hardly any legitimate romance

[@batshineman174]

Personally I always considered Achilles and Patroclus to be best friends who deeply cared for each other similar to Captain America and Bucky's friendship.

[@batshineman174]

@Moros God of doom. Having their ashes mixed together could easily be seen as something similar to a soldier wanting to be buried with their brothers and sisters in arms or someone wanting to be buried next to their best friend or sibling because they were so close. If you want to think that Achilles and Patroclus had a romantic relationship that's fine but don't get mad and call me delusional for believing that they were only friends.

[@alexjewett7455]

Which makes it weird that they're cousins in the movie.

[@MrColuber]

What was really aggravating to me when I saw this movie was how they characterized Helen. In the Iliad, she didn't have any respect for Paris, especially after he fled from Menelaos. In this movie, she had a speech about how she doesn't want a hero for a husband. This woman did not strike me as the sort to survive the bronze age. Or any pre-industrial age.

[@fangsabre]

Really tho. Helen was forced into this position at best. Hated Paris and hated Aphrodite for her situation. If anything, her husband is coming to save her not break up star crossed lovers. I would say Helen doesn't need to be saved.... But she is being held hostage

[@ValD98]

You gonna love how thousand year old story set in a hard patriarchy ends up somehow being more progressive than the 2000 adaptation. It's kinda hilarious.

[@evak5673]

@Madalin Grama Aphrodite basically planted insatiable lust in Helen. I haven't seen any hints in the poem to suggest Helen was a fully willing participant in this fuckery

[@Lisey91]

Madalin Grama in the original myth Helen was so beautiful that all the Greek kings start to fight each other for her hand so her father, to save Greece, make them signed a contract that say that after Helen was married all of them will respect that and if someone will try to steal her away all of the other will hunt him down and take her back to her lawful husband. That the reason the war of Troy start. Paris was chosen to settle a dispute between three goddess about how was the most beautiful one in the Olympus, he choose Afrodite and in exchange she promise him the most beautiful woman alive. That’s Helen. Paris see her and decide “yep, that mine” and kidnapped like the whiny coward he is. Helen hate him and she will pay greatly for his decision, trojan now hate her cause she bring war in their home and greek distrust her as they believe she betray her wedding vows. During the Iliade is clear that she’s not happy in Troy and that the only person that is nice to her is Ettore. After Paris die she’s happy, thinking she will go back home but she’s force to marry another of the Trojan prince. After the war she seemed to go back to reign on the side of her husband but there are multiple versions of her end, some of them pretty cruel as well.

[@garretthochmuth4522]

Lias DellaValle who is Ettore again?

[@geekweek9673]

Me, a Mythology nerd who took six years of Latin: “Wait. ‘Troy’ is an adaptation of a book?” Me. Five seconds later after remembering ‘The Iliad’: “Oh...Right...”

[@theodorepinnock1517]

They didn't even include the cool Odysseus moment storming the beach - there was a prophecy that whoever stepped foot on the beach first would be the first to die, so, understandably, noone wanted to. Odysseus, the crafty chap he is, throws his shield down onto the beach and jumps onto that, and so he's fine. Another Greek sees this, and assuming that the prophecy was wrong or something, jumps onto the beach. And immediately dies.

[@yith2116]

Theodore, this just made me love Odysseus even more. Thanks.

[@ros.an.]

omg i love that, is this from original source material or smth added later on

[@javierocker82]

I'm happy to say that despite their attempts to turn Paris into a sympathetic character, I always saw him as a villain. I was actually really annoyed that he survived the movie, I wanted Achilles to survive the movie.

[@CeltycSparrow]

He's absolutely the villain. The entire damn war was HIS FAULT, he gets everybody killed and then he STILL walks away with the girl. I loathe him.

[@Mikazuchireborn]

If they at least included the Gods in this movie, you could get away with blaming an egotistical and callous Aphrodite along with understanding why Paris would feel entitled to Helen's hand: a god literally descended from the heavens and presented him with the most beautiful woman in the world. In this movie, Paris has no such excuse... he's just vile.

[@JamesMC04]

elgrandloco82 I loathe Paris. He’s a gutless whiner whose selfishness destroys his family, his people, and a host of their enemies. He is not even courageous. He has absolutely no redeeming features. He is utterly worthless.

[@GriffinPilgrim]

Plus he went and nicked Aeneas' role. Virgil would not have been happy.

[@Barnesofthenorth]

I'm not even convinced they did want him to be sympathetic, I mean he started the whole war, offered a way to end it by fighting Menelaos, then chickened out of that to keep the war going, and finally killed somebody based on a misunderstanding. Everything he does is bad.

[@Luckinji]

Brad Pitt as a disney princess. That is the single most hilarious observation I am going to learn all week.

[@andresomerville2305]

best use of Belle's beautiful song in a while, certainly better than Emma Watson's singing in 2017 movie

[@tracyallen9170]

IKR?

[@Jezzikah287]

"I want adventure in the great wide somewhere..."

[@catfoy8888]

I'd buy that toy

[@tylerfish2701]

@@andresomerville2305 What a coincidence since Belle's animator, James Baxter, was also an additional animator for Sinbad, voiced by Brad Pitt himself. On a side note, that is a highly underrated film.

[@ThatRandomEncounterGuy]

If I want an accurate retelling of the Iliad, I’ll stick with Overly Sarcastic Productions.

[@icepawtheyugiohdumbass9955]

Honestly yeah

[@achilles_heelys4065]

Yeah came from there

[@kingofmonsters14]

the Omega Force game is more accurate. yeah, they did a Dynasty Warriors style game based around Troy, and it's more accurate then this.

[@knitwittyann2311]

Ugh...why do Hollywood writers want to ignore the original lesson/message of the books they make adaptations of? I'm convinced that Hollywood writers need to major in literature, so they understand the source material! I mean, jeez, it's bad enough they get books wrong, they can't even do comic book adaptations right!

[@ghfudrs93uuu]

"Themes are for high school book reports" - David Benioff

[@BP-dn9nv]

Many of the writers in hollywood know what they're doing, but executives want to force in what they think will sell the best.

[@viktormonov9397]

Bro, the themes and messages are right, watch the film again!! We've got being remembered, being a true man, havin anger issues

[@theano7563]

Achilles refused to sleep or eay for days he slept next to the fead body of his life long partner griefing his death. To say that after Patroclus death he was enraged would be an understatment. Even as his mother told him that hr would die would he go back to the battlefield he didn't care, avenging for his lost partner set as his priority. So big was his rage that the sporadic rate at which was killing was going to end war before the time it was destined to,had not Zeus, the single most powrful God, intruded. Achilleas gried was so powerfull that his rage was going yo change the fate's design. Yet to see this deep and iconic relationship being pushed aside and belittled to fit the heterosexual narrative in the movie is at least dissapointing. Even uf you believe that Patroclus was his lover or not you cant dismiss the depth of their realationship and to see the screenwriters crash it alongside other iconic parts of one of thr most timeless classic piece in history is honestly enraging

[@galecaelum]

Another thing to remember regarding Achilles: He never wore armor. He was dipped in the River Styx at birth by his ankle, giving him impenetrable skin except for his ankle, which is used to kill him. Also, a lot of the characters had kill counts as high or higher than he did.

[@KrimsonRogue]

This is true. I was working under the assumption that the movie was going for a more historical approach, but I honestly could have done more to examine that and advertise that that was what I was doing. Hindsight's a bitch, isn't it? :P

[@galecaelum]

Yep, it is. Usually in perfect clarity.

[@archmageeldran2567]

Homer says in the Iliad that Patroklos actually says and i do quote "at least let Patroklos dress in his armour. This suggests that Achilles had armour. might be wrong through

[@jademaskell322]

Gale Caelum Achilles worn armor when going into battle because his mother, Thetis had Hephaestus make and then remake his armor. And the only reason people had higher kill count that Achilles is because he went so long sulking in his tent that other got ahead of him. Also he didn't fight in every battle/raid they went on.

[@Densester]

There have been many depictions of the iliad, so people mix things up.

[@levongevorgyan6789]

Paris also took Menelaus' son, and left his daughter Hermione without her mother. And what the hell, no Diomedes? That guy was the PIMP! He beat Ares, fought Apollo, and gave Aphrodite a cut to remind her to stay off the battle field.

[@garretthochmuth4522]

what was the name of the kid?

[@deruchettelethierry4814]

@@garretthochmuth4522 Pleisthenes is the name of the youngest son of Menelaus and Helen. Helen took young Pleisthenes with her when she went to Troy with Paris,

[@ros.an.]

5 years later and im now here fresh from watching troy and also not over the fact that diomedes was taken out of it, come onnnnnnn

[@Kit5une131313]

3:27 "It's now believed that it was written somewhere around 1250 BC..." Slight correction, here. The Iliad is assumed to have been written during the 8th century BC. It's the events, that it portrays, which may have taken place around 1250 BC.

[@callnight1441]

i was just about to write that, except the actual date is from around 1200 to 1190, which coincidentally is at the beginning of the bronze age collapse...

[@callnight1441]

@@Shtf132 well the traditional date is around 1200, so....

[@XianVivre]

Horse drawn carriage? Its called a chariot!

[@salenebrom6476]

Can someone explain why they chose this actor when according to a part of the myth Achilles passes for a woman A VERY beautiful woman 🤦‍♀️

[@lewisburton6865]

I honestly don’t care that his played by Orlando Bloom, Paris did not deserve to live seeing how this whole war was his fault.

[@CJCroen1393]

Paris in this movie: Super romantic hero, Helen's "rightful" love interest Paris in the Iliad: Cowardly little shit who nobody in the story likes, Helen _especially_ hates him and wants to get away from him

[@BigballsTerrence]

@@CJCroen1393 but nobody actually considers him a " romantic hero" lmao. Ive never heard of any body even liking his character

[@CJCroen1393]

@@BigballsTerrence Oh hey, it's Troy McClure! I remember you from such great Greek Hero movies as "Troy Story 2" and "Zeusy, You Got Some Splainin' To Do"! But back to the topic at hand, recall that in my original comment I was specifically talking about _this movie_ doing that.

[@BigballsTerrence]

@@CJCroen1393 My point is - I dont think this movie was trying to do that. Anybody I know who has watched this movie always considers Paris to be a coward. I get the movie definitely tried to push the love story with him & Helen, but he was still portrayed as a coward throughout. ..ran away from Menelaus etc.

[@BigballsTerrence]

@@CJCroen1393 troy story 2 was a good one haha

[@ranwolf76]

by the end of the movie, I was convinced that it was implying that the Sword of Troy is supposed to be Excalibur

[@brennalarosa]

That's been a theory at points.

[@SuperOverlord94]

I think I know why the movie was such a big hit despite what a poor adaptation of the source material it was: few people had even read the source material. I still remember when me and my dad rented the movie and watched it. halfway into the movie, my mother comes home, sees the movie, and says "That's the Iliad!" and both me and my dad were like "the what?" I myself enjoyed the movie when i watched it the first time. But then I studied Homer's work in high school and realized what a crappy adaptation the movie really was, getting most of its themes wrong and making so many stupid and unnecessary changes. Oh well, you know what they say, fun while it lasted.

[@callnight1441]

the thing is, as you say, if you dont read and or study the book it is quite an enjoyable movie. i have read both the illiad and the odyssey, but i never had to study it. but even after reading them i still enjoy the movie for its good parts. honestly the only part i dont enjoy is that achilles is portrayed as heterosexual

[@Toonwalla2010]

Agreed it's a terrible adaptation but a somewhat enjoyable movie if you pretend that the Illiad does not exist

[@amiefortman7220]

I have to say, the only character I had any sympathy for in this flick was King Priam. Even though he had so little screentime, Peter O'Toole acted like he was in a completely different and better movie--he was the only one that portrayed any genuine emotion and actually seemed like a decent human being. I couldn't bring myself to give a damn about anyone else, their acting was so wooden and hackneyed.

[@matityaloran9157]

Priam was also great in the book

[@cartooningfanart]

The biggest problem of Troy, is that there are no Greek Gods in the movie, even tough that the gods were an important part of the story! They would have made the movie 100 times as interesting.

[@anders6227]

I think it would make it unwatchable for a whole host of obvious reasons.

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

@@anders6227 I don't know. Everyone gushes at the remake of Clash of the Titans and its sequel Wrath. Plus it's a movie.

[@taylorwiseman8078]

But then would Sean Bean be Odysseus or Zeus?

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

Anders why? Because their the gods who are shown in a movie? Or because you would not like to watch as Achilles beats up a river, Athena and Ares fight in the middle of the battlefield, or when Hephaestus made Achilles his armour?

[@cosette2410]

Troy was one of the weakest films I have ever seen, they wanted to remove the mythical elements from the story but still resemble a fanfiction from a teen romance. The fighting seemed less intense than a war of such magnitude as the Persian invasions, Alexander's wars, the second Punic war, and August's war against Mark Antony and Cleopatra, it didn't seem like a real war. Agamemnon looked more like an idiot than a political and military chief like Caesar and Augustus who used Helen's kidnapping as a pretext to invade Troy. This film is as unlikely as 300 that is full of historical inconsistencies and inaccuracies. Although we don't see the gods there, it still seems like a mere fantasy of being so banal. Agamemnon would never be killed because in war there would be guards protecting him from any attack as there was for Augustus if they tried to kill him when he invaded Egypt. And much less by the siege of Troy, that Helen and Paris would escape as never before that Mark Anthony and Cleopatra had escaped Egypt, they killed themselves to avoid being prisoners of Augustus. Never that Menelaus would be a careless military chief to turn his back on his opponent, did his death seem so absurd and unlikely. At Iliad, Helen was kidnapped and never showed any feelings for Paris, she has contempt for him, Helen wanted to return to Menelaus. Cleopatra considered a seductive woman, she wanted relationships with powerful men like Cesar, Mark Antony and tried to seduce Augustus, Helen in her position would never love a loser like Paris.

[@EUMAN10]

I'd like to point out that Sean Bean did live through National Treasure, and that had virtually nothing to do with Greek mythology.

[@tracyallen9170]

Yep! He got arrested.

[@treymagathan847]

Daniel Piatkowski Yeah, but it is implied that he's getting arrested for treason, which can be punishable by death, according to Cornell's US Code. Even if he's doesn't get the death penalty, he'll be spending the rest of his life wishing he was. Link: www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

[@noahthompson2912]

But ... treason = maybe death

[@yushipascual5456]

Hector should've punched Paris for one last time.

[@pamsmith85]

“I can’t tell if Achilles is supposed to look like a creepy yoga instructor or a Disney Princess who yearns for more.” This. This line is priceless. 👏👏👏

[@tylerfish2701]

Madame, Gaston, can't you just see it? Madame, Gaston, I am a sovereign princess of Troy, a daughter of a proud history that ranges OOOOOOOOOOON! The cold never bothered me anyway. But those are 3 different songs from 3 different stories. WITH GREAT ENDINGS!

[@isobelduncan]

Not to to mention the absence of so many other major characters like princess Cassandra and queen Hecuba

[@two_owls]

Gonna fit 100 characters into a 2 hour movie and have them all be fleshed out to your satisfaction, eh? Come now!

[@katrinacambell1226]

they kinda got that right in Helen of Troy 2003 miniseries.

[@callnight1441]

to be fair, the illiad is stuffed with like a 100 named characters who are featured in every other chapter. it would be impossible to feature all of them even if it were a series

[@bostjanhren2716]

Odysseus was portrayed very well though. Especially with the extended cut.

[@Methren1]

@@satireknight But the odyssey would really be impossible without the supernatural elements, so it would feel very weird if you connect it to this one...

[@darylchurch2115]

Isn't his last line in the movie "If they ever tell my story let them say I walked with giants." Yeah, that's the MOST important thing about Odysseus, he never got up to anything interesting after the Trojan War, certainly nothing worth writing down in one of histories greatest books.

[@jamesb.8940]

Later events, like the building of the Trojan Horse and the sacking of Troy, are found in a much later poem by Quintus of Smyrna called the Fall of Troy. It fills the gap in the story between the Iliad and the Odyssey. Paris a "Selfish coward" ? Absolutely. In the Iliad - which deserves 50/5 at least BTW - he is that, and treacherous as well. This film takes very stupid liberties. Killing Achilles with a body-shot is entirely wrong - he was invulnerable except for one heel. This is part of his character. If Agamemnon had been killed at Troy, there would have been no motive for his younger daughter Elektra and his son Orestes to kill Clytemnestra and Aegisthus. The film's death of Agamemnon seems to be inspired in part by the rape of Kassandra in the temple of Athena by Aias the Lesser, which led to the gods' sending a storm that scattered the Greek fleet. To have the odious Paris escape is unforgivable - he was killed during the sack of Troy - not one of Priam's sons escaped. (Aeneas, who in some versions of the story does escape, was related to the family of Priam, but rather distantly.) It would not have taken much trouble to have Aeneas play the part he does in the Iliad, and lead the escaping Trojans to safety, as he does in the Aeneid. Paris would then be dead, as he so richly deserved to be, and mythologically was, while the film could still have the Trojans escaping. The film sounds like an utter mess. The Legolasisation of every flick with O. Bloom in it is getting tedious.

[@Targisvear]

You know funny thing? Aeneas was in it (Krimson does not show the scene because it was not important), Paris before finding Achilles comes across boy carrying an old man, and he tells Paris he is Aeneas, and Paris gives him "The Sword of Troy" and leaves to shoot arrows. It is as if they want Paris to die and someone else to take refugees, but nope, it is just to get rid of sword because Legolas shoots arrows

[@NorthStar8211]

The Odyssey also helps fill in the gap as it does (briefly) refer to some events taking place after the Illiad's ending, such as the building of the Trojan horse. Though I suspect that the script-writers just had the Aeniad in mind which draws elements from both Homer's and Quintus's works. As for Achilleus's heel, if I recall correctly this is never mentioned in the Illiad or the Odyssey and comes from other versions of the myth, though it hardly matters as there is no canon in Greek mythology and, therefore, there are often inconsistencies as to who married whom, how is a character related to another, how a character died etc.

[@josiane9193]

Helen in love with Paris when she was manipulated by Aphrodite and had contempt for him. Without the mythical elements she would have Stockholm syndrome. Menelaus killed because he was defeated in the battle when this is innverossimel.

[@GriffinPilgrim]

I actually don't mind the body-shot thing; Homer didn't include the element of Achilles being invulnerable and there's some speculation that that was a later addition to his story anyway. Besides the film does have him shot in the heel as well and pulling out all the arrows except that one. Since this is version without the supernatural elements it's a reasonable idea that they found him dead with an arrow in his heel and drew the wrong conclusion. Of course I DO mind that he's still alive by the time of the Horse when he and Paris should both be dead by then, with the heroes on both sides down to Odysseus, Agamemnon, Menelaus and Aeneas.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

This review confirms that Troy is such a frustrating film because it does have really good things in it but also a bunch of crap

[@MrImastinker]

Knowing that David Benioff (one of the writers of Game of Thrones) helped write this movie, it makes Game of Thrones Season 8 look like history repeating itself. A rushed, hackneyed mess that betrayed its characters and lore, rushing to a disaster of an ending.

[@carlossartre8030]

The film excluded the gods, but forgot to be realistic. The film failed in no adopt the option of Herodotus. Herodotus argued in his Histories that Helen had never in fact arrived at Troy, but was in Egypt during the entire Trojan War. Helen had arrived in Egypt shortly after leaving Sparta, because strong winds had blown Paris's ship off course. King Proteus of Egypt, appalled that Paris had kidnapped his host's wife and plundered his host's home in Sparta, disallowed Paris from taking Helen to Troy. Paris returned to Troy without a new bride, but the Greeks refused to believe that Helen was in Egypt and not within Troy's walls. Thus, Helen waited in Memphis for ten years, while the Greeks and the Trojans fought. Following the conclusion of the Trojan War, Menelaus sailed to Memphis, where Proteus reunited him with Helen. Herodotus believes this version and supports it with an argument from probability: if the Trojans had had Helen, they would surely have given her back rather than allow their entire city to be destroyed. The gods manipulate men in the iliad, but without them, the Trojans would not have waged war over one woman and would have returned helen. A woman like Helen staying with a loser like Paris, she ran away with him because of Aphrodite, but she despised Paris, excluded the gods and the film stopped making sense. Why would she fall in love with a loser like him? Ceopatra had as lovers powerful men like Julius Caesar and mark antony. Adopting the idea that wars are an illusion and that cheaters in the end lose credibility when they act dishonestly.

[@briana8088]

If you didn't see Dany's madness coming, you were an incompetent viewer.

[@crowthewicked8344]

@@briana8088 Bitch, at least explain yourself before you start trying to defend the writing.

[@briana8088]

@@crowthewicked8344 I like the show and I'm not ashamed of it. Why does everyone have to agree with you?

[@ErichZornerzfun]

ok your cat is my favorite character in the whole overarching plot :P Also I think what Menelaus is wearing is Linothorax a type of armor where they use layers of woven linen over a metal plate. It was a fairly popular armor type among the Spartans and homer does mention it. Sorry just had to go full geek for a minute.

[@KrimsonRogue]

Lol, well she's gonna get a lot more parts in future episodes, you can count on that. A Linothorax? Never heard of it, but I guess that historically it could make sense. Let's call this little moment a gap in my own research. Thanks for filling it in. XD Also, geek out all you want! Personally, I'm proud to call myself a tremendous nerd! :D

[@ErichZornerzfun]

KrimsonRogue Yeah I read something about a fibrous armor popular among cavalry and some hoplites which ooked like what the guy was wearing. It is pretty obscure though because not much of them can survive to be dug up. also: Yay more Fluffy!

[@hemmingwayfan]

Yeah, layered leather and cloth armor would have been used at the time. Hell, hoplites were still using cotton and leather during the Persian wars. But there's still a problem here. Until the Marian reforms in Rome in the second century BC, soldiers were responsible for providing their own arms and equipment. Leather and cloth were used by grunts, the average trooper who didn't have much coin left after buying the obligatory shield and spear. But Menelaus is the king of Sparta. He should be able to easily afford a full set of bronze armor or at least confiscate a set from one of his nobles.

[@ErichZornerzfun]

hemmingwayfan That is actually a good question it could be he was wearing better armor under that material to get added protection, afteral bronze plate isn't exactly the best at stopping arrows or the like.

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

"I'll just have to...review a movie!" Linkara would be proud.

[@disneydork100]

And Jaeris would would find him crazy. :)

[@jacobkleinsasser5658]

I want a collab between them!

[@ShadowWolfRising]

the kings of Epirus were supposedly descended from Achilles. ..........i could very well be his descendant. i am a Descendant of Brad Pit.

[@pennyath3650]

ΑΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑ

[@elkingoh4543]

You mean Pyrrhus the unlucky get defeated by Romans and killed by a old lady with block of clay

[@salenebrom6476]

Wasn't Achilles mistaken for a woman at one point

[@christiancrusader9374]

Salene Brom more like he disguised himself as a woman named pyrha.

[@clerkwithamouth]

During his and Patroclus' sparring session, they both look like women.

[@garretthochmuth4522]

I think that may have been how his son was connived.

[@matityaloran9157]

He disguised himself as a woman but Odysseus saw through it

[@elkingoh4543]

​@@christiancrusader9374I wonder if Pyrrhus (Achilles son) get his name from

[@annmattern1256]

I could go on for hours about all the other important characters they left out and how passive Helen is.

[@Yolanda8419]

As a Greek, I consider this movie just a blockbuster. No amount of research seems to have been made, apart from Wikipedia segments. It looks good, but that’s all. Also, Peter O Toole has the best line depicting honor amongst enemies.

[@СоняМармеладова-ч1х]

The script is very weak, badly developed characters, shallow dialogues, cliché development. It was one of the worst films ever made about a classic.

[@inkmaster5480]

Not to mention that women were more respected in Sparta than anywhere else in ancient Greece.

[@pennyath3650]

EXACTLY! THANKS FOR POINTING IT! (i ve been thinking about this mistake for like a year)

[@shannoncj2460]

I mean, relatively yes, but let's not pretend that they had anywhere close to modern rights. It's not hard to beat "Marry a 12 year old and make it socially unacceptable for her to leave the house or talk to anyone outside of those approved by her 30-40 year old husband"

[@inkmaster5480]

@@shannoncj2460 From what I understand, a Spartan woman could do anything a Spartan man could do short of joining the military.

[@shannoncj2460]

@@inkmaster5480 They could own property once married and could trade goods, but they didn't have the right to divorce or exist outside of marriage or service to a God. They also could not hold office or choose who they married.

[@epipsychidionozymandias5021]

Everytime somebody mentions this movie, a Classical literature student somewhere dies.

[@blank4227]

Good.

[@dylee312]

I love your reviews. You're so freaking awesome and hilarious. Again, you're an awesome critic. I have a favor to ask. Can you review the movie "the green berets" directed by john wayne which was based on the book "the green berets" written by Robin Moore. They both take place in the vietnam war. They're both historic fiction. I would love it if you can review the green berets, if it's okay with you. It you don't want to, no worries. You're still one of my favorite movie critics. You go KrimsonRogue!!!

[@KrimsonRogue]

+Daniel Lee Yeah, I think I can cover that. I'll add it to my movie list.

[@dylee312]

Thank you so much.

[@genisveil]

This movie was terrible. The way they downplayed Achilles and Patroclus relationship significance was shitty too.

[@levongevorgyan6789]

What relationship? They were bros. That's it. That's how it was in the book.

[@Densester]

genisveil well it was still depicted like shit...mainly because everything was delicted like shit

[@neatoburrito9045]

@Levon Geborgyan In the poem they were HEAVILY implied to be fucking. Pretty much all of Homer's contemporaries and successors corroborated this. It wasn't really until the poem begin to circulate in the west that a more brotherly relationship was played up because post-classical readers are skeeved out by anything that's not 100% heteronormative.

[@michaelmegson2778]

Cinos the Dense potato don't wanna be that guy but did you not see the action scenes in this movie. This movie has a lot of flaws especially when compared to the book but the fight between Achilles and hector is one of the best one on one's in cinema.

[@fangsabre]

@@levongevorgyan6789 found the "no homo"guy

[@fenryrgreyback1298]

IT IS NOT believed to have been written in 1250 b.c, that's when the actual Trojan war is supposed to have happened (Greek/Minoan bronze age), but the writing was supposedly done around 750 b..

[@squaremooncycle]

Fenryr Greyback Whilst you’re right that it is believed to have been written down for the first time in the 7th century with the emergence of Linear B (aka their alphabet), the general dating of the story is believed to be around the 13th century - so he’s not actually wrong, on a technicality. That being said, I’ve never seen anyone get this completely right outside of Classical academia before, so I’m not going to get mad at him!

[@oolooo]

Me and my classmates died when Aquiles screamed Hector over and over .

[@bostjanhren2716]

Does anyone remember a trilogy that retells the story of Illiad. It's by some British author and it focuses on side charachters. I remembered a guy with a really famous ship and two greek soldiers who end up on Troy's side.

[@robfromjersey7899]

David Gemmell. I loved those books.

[@misseli1]

My sister rented the DVD when I was a kid, and what I remember most about this movie is Josh Groban's "Remember Me" song. That and the line "Take it, it's yours!"

[@Alayses]

I can't contribute anything that hasn't been said in the comments, except for: Hearing Blind Guardian in this makes my heart dance.

[@danielbroome5690]

The intro ignores the implicit message yes, but it perfectly sums Achilles' motivation in the illiad. He had a prophecy of being rembered for eternity but at the cost of having a short life vs having a long life of no note and achilles chose the path of kudos. Glory and death

[@matityaloran9157]

Agreed

[@agiammarco94]

Great video Krim. After taking a class, it seems that this movie takes the roman to recent reception of the myth where they see themselves as Trojans. Most receptions since see the Trojans as heroes. God a more accurate version would be way better. Edit: I'm surprised they got rid of the fact that it was Achilles that sent out Patroklos to fight in his stead, which is why he got his armour

[@PasserMontanus]

"And Then There Was Silence"! Perfect choice!

[@cindykhuu4420]

Remember that famous quote when he reviewed Twilight in which he said: *”Popular does not mean good”* Well now take that quote and put that with Troy. People who say since it’s popular and won tons of rewards on Troy so it can’t be criticized can also be said on Twilight and both arguments for both movies would’ve failed miserably. And I agree with Krimson and besides someone had to say it.

[@matityaloran9157]

I don’t believe Troy should be immune to criticism. I like the movie and the book. Also, for what it’s worth, at least the movie doesn’t have the Catalogue of Ships

[@jackcoleman1222]

Oh what I would give to see a decent adaptation of an ancient work...

[@samofsparta5056]

Watch Troy on Netflix

[@MrTheDratex]

Hold on! I saw llamas at 30:26 there was no llamas in Europe in that era! but with all of the things they got wrong its not really a big surprise

[@KrimsonRogue]

True. I couldn't find a way to effectively work it into the script, which was why I included the footage. Still gives the idea. Good observation sir! XD

[@Eruvadhril]

When the Blind Guardian kicked in it was all I could do not to throw up the horns at my work desk. Well played that man.

[@YankeesFan0620]

A couple of notes... 1) in the movie, Menelaus waged war because his pride was damaged. 2) The movie was written by David Benioff, co-creator of tv's Game of Thrones. 3) I still prefer the theatrical cut of the movie rather than the directors cut, which you reference. It seems they were trying to go for a 'realistic' spin on the Trojan War. Benioff also said that in many cases, they changed events in order to make a better movie rather than a faithful adaptation.

[@ekaterinaalexandrovnashche3416]

The deaths of Agamemnon and Menelaus are completely unreal, not only because it is not mentioned in the Canon, but first in real life Menelaus would never be careless to approach recklessly Hector. Did Julius Caesar, Hannibal, Alexander - the great so recklessly approach enemies despite their courage? Agamemnon being killed by Briseis was unreal, besides being a good warrior, he would be protected. When Augustus invaded Egypt, guards were protecting him. Never that any killer approached him. That escape from the Trojans at the end was 100% unreal. He asks if vercingetorix managed to escape Cesar in the siege of Alesia or did Mark Antony and Cleopatra escape Augustis in Egypt? No. Boudicca and his daughters in Britannia chose to kill themselves because they knew they would be captured by the Romans. This film does not only need to portray Greek clothes, armor and culture more accurately, but to develop a realistic story. Before there was intervention by the gods, but the film failed to develop a consistent story. Helen saying that she didn't want a hero as her husband made me laugh and I remember Cleopatra who chose Julius Cesar and Mark Antony as lovers, they were two great warriors.

[@Bu11yMagu1re]

Benioff failed on both counts.

[@justabitofamug6989]

Now I want to see a beauty and the beast remake with belle being a worrior bored with war and wanting something more meaningful, then he falls in love with beast.

[@tylerfish2701]

Something akin to the Narnia films, perhaps?

[@biornr.4031]

As a claissics student, I can say that this movie's only reputation in the field is as an excuse to get drunk through drinking games

[@bradypus55]

20:50 Press "X" to hector! *spams X*

[@Scheherazade-pr4jt]

To be fair, glory and a desire to be remembered was a motivation for many of the Greek soldiers and why they fought. Honour was also very important to them, hence why proud Achilles was so mad when Agamemnon took away his war prize bride away from him. He felt it was a personal insult to him and like Agamemnon was dismissing and insulting the deeds he'd done in battle and for which he'd won his prizes. You are right that The Iliad is a cautionary tale but one of the things it's cautioning against is that very obsession with glory and the desire to be remembered in history and so to act like those things aren't part of the story is I think to miss something inherent to The Iliad

[@matityaloran9157]

Achilles’s motivation for joining the war despite knowing he’d get killed because he wanted glory

[@ZephLodwick]

Adapting the story of the _whole Trojan War_ in a single film was a big mistake. The _Iliad_ wasn't the only story about the Trojan War; there were eight separate epic poems in the Epic Cycle, of which the _Iliad_ is just one episode. Sadly, many of these poems have been lost, but we do have a abridgement in the _Posthomerica_ of Quintus; it tells the tale of the stuff that happened after the Iliad, including the Sack of Troy. There's a bunch of cool, less-known stuff, too: Memnon, King of Ethiopia Penthesalea, Queen of the Amazons; Neoptolemus, son of Achilles; and Deiphobus, another Trojan prince. There should be a Trojan War TV series.

[@milliebryony2868]

I personally LOVED LOVED the book so when I watched the movie and found it was crap I was PISSED and still is so I'm excited to see him trash it!

[@Tatanyablue]

Two years later and I still love rewatching this episode, that and others of course! :D I do have a request/recommendation, if you haven't seen the 2003 movie Helen of Troy, I highly recommend it. It's much closer to the original text, it even has Clytemnestra in it and she's awesome! And as it was originally a miniseries it had much more time to explore some of the characters. Whether you just watch it or review it is your decision but I think you'd find it enjoyable!

[@KrimsonRogue]

Glad my episodes have longevity. XD And I actually picked up Helen of Troy a while back to review. I never got around to it though. XD

[@MatCor-ty7zi]

"Wives are for breeding." says the Spartan. I will admit to not being a history buff, but from what I've heard the Spartans had A LOT more respect for women. It might not be close to today's standards, but it was much better than the rest of Greece. Hell, Spartan women could VOTE!

[@MrLucifer1982]

Damn Crimson Rogue, you're very very handsome

[@rosereviews2492]

You know who wrote it? David Benioff the same guy who ruined Game of Thrones

[@camichiBichi]

Hector, breaker of horses Aquiles, breaker of Hectors...

[@ata9931]

The first time i saw this movie i really loved it, then i read the illiad ,also the Odyssey, i can't watch this movie without getting irritated. They even cut out my fav character in the poem, Diomedes, who threw a spear through Aphrodite's wrist. And where is Achilles and Patroclus' TOTALLY PLATONIC relationship? That's my fav part of the story.

[@tracyallen9170]

I too like this movie, but I will have to admit if they wanted to be realistic they should've left out the mythological figures. As an adaptation of the Illiad it comes off as a disappointment and it goes against the message the original poem was about the consequences of hubris. Though I wish there was a movie based on the Odyssey with Sean Bean. What they should've done was a two part movie and be a lot more faithful to its source material.

[@ata9931]

tracy allen well since they did a "realistic" take on iliad with writing off the gods, they can't make the Odyssey into sequels to this since the whole book is how Odysseus become some kind of Athena's pet project and Odysseus' son seeks information about his father to Menelaus and Helen since they killed him in this movie

[@tracyallen9170]

You're right.

[@bleakautomaton4808]

Paris: ...um, she's just visiting. 😅 Menelaus: BULLSHIT!

[@KingUrsaring]

Subscribed. I've grown to like this channel not only as a critic but as a fellow book lover

[@KrimsonRogue]

Glad you enjoy it! Welcome to the Rogues Gallery! :D

[@KingUrsaring]

KrimsonRogue Btw, will you ever get around to reviewing Percy Jackson and the Sea of Monsters? Or did you already do that?

[@KrimsonRogue]

Saving it for a 10K subscriber special.

[@greymonku]

KrimsonRogue could you do a review for the seeker the dark is rising at some point please?

[@maxfrederick2951]

I actually liked this movie until the ending. What a cop out to a real tragedy. I would have loved to see Hector's son thrown out of the wall.

[@KrimsonRogue]

I was kind of in the same camp when I first saw the movie. Kinda bored, but kind of amused, until the last battle scene. Then it was just... hell no. >.

[@jacobkleinsasser5658]

There is something that bugs me about this movie. Why does Hector face Achilles? It's war, people die, you are under no obligation to justify if you killed someone who was trying just as hard to kill you. The book, and other movies portray it better in that there was a battle, and Hector stayed out to buy his troops time to escape, But here it makes no sense. Let your archer's shoot Achilles when he gets so close to the wall, or just let him sit out in the roasting sun screaming. Or, heck, do go out and face him with 5 of your best troops, after waiting for like 3 hours. The only explanation is that Achilles challenged Hector to a duel, and Hector would have to accept or risk dishonor and appearing like a coward, but that I still question because again, 1. this is war, 2. Refusing to duel was not a huge dishonor, heck it would paint Achilles as more dishonorable for sitting out in the last battle, and being opportunistic, which would be far more dishonorable. 3 a question that was ALWAYS asked was "Why should I accept." This prevented low level subjects from challenging Kings, (Though Achilles was a king, so he would be in position to challenge Hector) but if your only reason was "He killed my best friend/cousin/ whatever." would not be a sufficient reason, especially remembering THIS IS WAR and PEOPLE DIE! 4. Standing outside of a city, and screaming at someone is not a formal challenge. Though it makes me wonder how many Hector's lived in Troy. I just picture like some blacksmith just doing his job and then wondering why some idiot is yelling at him. 5 it goes against how duels were actually fought. They wouldn't fight the day the challenge was issued. They would wait until the next day so both warriors would have had time to rest, eat, etc and were fit for combat. They wouldn't just do it right then because then we have a scenario where I am going to let you fight all day, while I sleep in, and then after you are exhausted and about to collapse, then I challenge you and have a HUGE advantage from being well rested. and 6 Duels like this would always have higher stakes than petty revenge. You would need to offer something. IE, winner, wins war, or winner, wins the loser's wife/daughter, (sorry ladies, but that is how women were treated back then) So challenging someone to a duel where the only reward was "If you win, you get to kill me," would be laughed out of the room. Also, in regards to the Historical Adviser thing, more often than not, they never actually do anything. Lindybeige told a great story of a historical advisor, and over the course of making a movie he was only ever asked 1 question! And that question was "Where would this standard be in this infantry line, would it be in the front of the line, the back, where?" Where he answered, "That is actually a cavalry standard, it wouldn't be held by infantry." And mind you, that question was asked half way through production! So any movie saying they have a historical advisor, is more or less saying, "We are paying a guy to sit there, and have coffee and donuts but never actually doing any work."

[@JackNewbie555]

This is a good video indeed. Very informative and funny as well. Also, you cat is so darn cute!. ..... Wait, did I just used the word "cute"?

[@KrimsonRogue]

Lol, she is pretty adorable, isn't she? XD

[@ijustworkhere1008]

This film is the perfect example of a bad adaptation. They removed any semblance of Greek culture that made it unique just so it would be easier for modern audiences to digest. There’s no involvement of the Gods, exactly one reference to the role fate plays in the war, and absolutely zero ambiguity as to which side is good and which is bad. Look at Menelaus and Helen for instance. In the book, they loved each other; Paris only got with her because Aphrodite was granting Paris his wish for choosing her in the golden apple contest. So, when back in Troy, Helen regains control of herself and despises both Paris and herself for what has happened. Can’t have that in our hollywood action movie though, so let’s make Menelaus an angry old mysoginist so that Paris and Helen can fall in love of their own accord. Oh, then let’s kill Menelaus less than halfway into the movie. It’s not like Menelaus was the sole reason the Greeks had for being in Troy or anything But I don’t think it gets anywhere near as bad as the death scenes of Patroclus and Hector. In the book, Patroclus’ rally manages to drive the Trojans all the way back to the Walls of Troy, at which point Apollo strips and cripples him, and Hector finishes him off. The fighting that day ends when the Trojans chase the Greeks back to their ships, but are made to retreat by the sound of Achilles’ war cry. In the movie, meanwhile, Hector kills Patroclus and is like “fuck it, we’re going home now”. Hector’s death on the otherhand, is literally the complete opposite to how the film portrays it. Firstly, Achilles doesn’t show up at the walls alone and start yelling, because he’d have been shot dead like an idiot. Instead, he chases after Hector as he flees from battle, and takes care to head Hector off before he gets close enough to the walls of Troy that the archers could shoot at Achilles. Hector in the book contemplates standing and fighting Achilles, but ultimately flees, and only stops to fight after being tricked by Athena. All the while, his family are also begging him to come back to them instead of trying to fight. Compare that to the movie where Hector just goes “fuck it, I suppose I’ll fight this guy by myself despite having a literal army in this city with me”, while the rest of his family ineffectually just stands there and watches him go. And they didn’t even kill off Sean Bean. Fuck this noise

[@tylerfish2701]

I am baffled that this film was directed by Wolfgang Petersen, the same guy who did the film adaptation of the Neverending Story. What happened?

[@danielbroome5690]

Not that this is a good movie or adaptation, but king Priams welcome of Helen might be the film's attempt to convey the greek concept of the laws of hospitality. She is a guest regardless of the circumstances and the host is obliged by the Gods to protect, feed and clothe her and do her no harm for as long as she is a guest.

[@matityaloran9157]

Priam treats Helen well in the book as well

[@jagartharn6361]

Even when one criticizes it as an adaptation of the Iliad or as a historical piece/truth behind the myth type story (the comic series age of bronze does this far better) as a film on its own independent of those variables its a generic mediocre blockbuster with some decent acting.

[@royaldarkness5252]

First of all, I want to say that I love your reviews! You're hilarious! And I'm thankful to God that someone pointed out how messed up "Troy" really is. I hate this movie! Now what I just want to clarify is that Glory and Rememberance was really important for the ancient Greeks. It was one of their strongest beliefs to have their names known for the next generations. Can't wait for your next review!

[@ellz223]

Taking the gods out I can handle but making Achilles straight!?!

[@samofsparta5056]

Have you read The Song Of Achilles?

[@SandraSaysStuff]

This video just popped into my recommendations and after watching it, I can't help but think how awesome it would be if HBO did a proper miniseries about it.

[@sarahhales1505]

Fun Fact: Eric Bana and Brad Pitt made a gentlemen’s agreement for their fight. 100 for the lighter hits, and 250 for harder hits. By the end of filming the fight Bana owed Pitt nothing, while Pitt owed Bana 750 bucks.

[@hopethornhill3905]

SAY IT WITH ME NOW PATROCLUS AND ACHILLES HAD A RELATIONSHIP THAT WAS STRONGER THAN THE CRAP THIS MOVIE MADE IT TO BE If you want a GOOD adaptation of the Iliad, read The Song of Achilles. I bawled like a freakin baby.

[@scouttyra]

That is a beautiful book. Loved it.

[@dominickfinch5693]

Achilles: Hector! *repeat a dozen or so times* Servant: Sir, I think he wants to talk to you. Hector: Gee! What made you think that!' Servant: Maybe because he keeps shouting your name over and over. Achilles: Hector! Hector: *sigh* Just get my freaking armor.

[@ralphjosephacobo8014]

We had a test in our college English class about this movie...

[@loneronin6813]

I have to admit, there is one element I like about this movie: Hector. He seems like a true hero to me, willing to give all despite acknowledging what he has to lose. He does what his brother Paris couldn't and shows true courage whereas Paris shows bravado and an attempt at bravery that falters rather quickly. Hector's love for his people and his family are why he fights, not for glory or the gods. He is kind and just even to his enemies and behaves with an actual sense of honor. I could take or leave the rest of the movie, but Hector was great, whether you compare him to the source material or not. Side-Note: "And Then There Was Silence," was the first Blind Guardian song I ever heard and that was quite some time ago, and now they are pretty much my number one favorite metal band that has ever graced my ears.

[@loneronin6813]

@Ἑλένη I'm just speaking in terms of the movie and what it has presented us with. As for the original source material I don't remember nearly enough of it to comment on properly to be perfectly honest. I didn't get the feeling that he had such options in the movie. Then again, it's been a while since I watched this movie as well.

[@mmeers89]

In the Iliad, Paris was offered Helen by Aphrodite who was trying to get a golden apple of Eris during a challenge against Athena and Hera.

[@choninja21]

I liked your Linkara style joke. The good ol' classic statement and "wait..."

[@JackNewbie555]

It always amuse me how armor is always useless in movies. I mean, people always get killed by arrows even though they were wearing armor in first place. Do they have armor-piercing arrows?

[@KrimsonRogue]

Lol, armor-piercing arrows. I'm just picturing arrows with little rockets attached to them. XD

[@christiancrusader9374]

I always figured they hit weak points, or areas that didn't have armor.

[@matityaloran9157]

In Disney’s Mulan, she survives being shot with an arrow because she’s wearing armour but she is still wounded by it.

[@neatoburrito9045]

A point about Menelaus' armor: it wouldn't be as ineffective as you might think. Padded cloth has actually been the most common form of armor used on the battlefield throughout history (mail rose up eventually to rival it but) but it's certainly been more common than metal plate armor or leather.

[@Methren1]

It was so common, because it was cheap. Menelaus as the king of Spartar... Then again, he probably didnt think he would have to get blood on his expansive armor to deal with Paris

[@angiekelley9038]

Also Achilles and Patroclus weren't cousins they were LOVERS. And Achilles sent Patroclus into battle in his place. Briseis was nothing more than something for Achilles and Agamemnon to fight over. The movie also forgot Cassandra, Ajax the lesser, Aeneas, Hecuba, Chryses, the Amazons, and Diomedes.

[@matityaloran9157]

Nothing in the Iliad says that they were lovers. Centuries after it was written, Plato argued that they were lovers but Plato’s contemporary Xenophon argued that no they weren’t lovers.

[@absolute6422]

Am I the only one who really liked Troy😂

[@studloverboy]

Sean Jensen its my favorite movie

[@clerkwithamouth]

You are not alone my friend

[@lunabearsong2043]

Guilty. I had never read the Iliad, so I had no idea how inaccurate it is. Lol! Still love it, though.

[@noahthompson2912]

I can see how you can like it but so many things , not even accuratcy makes it bad . like ... paris causing untold horror ( the trojan version of d-day ) and getting off scott's free ?

[@vsGoliath96]

Oh, it's a fucking terrible film, but I can't help but enjoy it.

[@Zealous_Delusional]

As an archer, can I just say I fucking hate Orlando bloom’s shooting. NEWS FLASH: When you fling your bow forward as you let go of the arrow, it’s not going to land anywhere near where you want it. Like, Jennifer lawerence wasn’t perfect in the hunger games but it was all minor technical stuff only someone who shoots would notice, bloom just thrusts his whole upper body forward like he thinks he has to propel the arrow with brute force.

[@mesektet5776]

The part where I realized how terrible the rest of the movie was going to be was at the beginning when the Greeks are invading a temple of Apollo, and Achilles casually defiles a statue of Apollo and lets us the audience know how he is a "too-cool for the gods atheist". As someone who studies not only ancient Greek myth but ancient Greek customs... NO, NO, NO For Zeus's literally FUCKING sake, NO! Even if you did have atheists back then, they would be far, far in the closet about it - There are at-least 50 different customs involving killing non-believers for publicly putting down a god lest they give you a bad harvest. Caligula - Emperor CRAZY, wasn't even stupid enough to defile a temple.

[@beanieguitarguy4070]

I think it’s ridiculous that Achilles lives through the first arrow to the heel. He was dipped in the River Styx, which means he was invulnerable everywhere BUT his heel, which would make any wound lethal.

[@ashleighb982]

In which Brad Pitt's hair looks freakishly golden...Happy 1 Year!

[@curleyqreviews9793]

I know the movie nor the Illiad covers this, but Priam wants Helen as a hostage. His sister was kidnapped by Hercules and sent to Greece. Priam had been negotiating her return for a long time but the Greeks never did anything about it. With Helen, Priam has a bargaining chip. But the conflict escalated very quickly to the point where he could not just give back Helen without giving the Greeks something else too. Which is why he kept her even after Paris died.

[@xane3767]

My high school history teacher made us all sit through this. I sent him this video.

[@philipbasler5077]

actually... when i was 9 years old... troy got my interesset in history in the first place... the plot is a little thing in the whole movie... the thing wwat the movie made it great for me. it gave you look in to that ancient world... my mother on my side explaining wahts going on... hail those movie for existing in the first place

[@CoolG97]

I don't mine a movie that tires to paint Troy as the heroes, what I have a problem with is EVERY ADAPTATION OF THE ILIAD SIDES WITH THEM.

[@Shadethewolfy]

Muse sing of the THIRST of Achiles!! *writes several lines about how Petroclus and Achiles were MAD GAY FOR EACH OTHER while cackling madly*

[@rebeccavaughn8897]

Why are all their ages so messed up? Helena was 19 not 30 Menelaus was 21 not 55 Agamennon was 30 not 55 Achilles was 15 not 40 Petroclus was 40 not 20 Odysseus was 30 not 45 The list goes on. And Helena was 15 when she married Menelaus, not 16. Why change that?

[@vasilistheocharis164]

And then there was silence was a very good choice in the beginning.

[@Thommy2n]

Interesting theory, but no. Sean Bean also lived in Silent Hill and Jupiter Ascending, neither of which are even remotely greek inspired. His character can live as long as it's a waste of his talent.

[@fredesca8648]

Didn't the text in the intro explained Achilles' attitude towards Agamemnon?