Krystal Ball Calls Out Destiny For Heated Debate

[@LastNightDestiny]

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[@kyliesmith9915]

wrong link

[@jt9124]

Turkey Tom is a loser, act your age.

[@DOPEDOGTOPDOG]

bro you sound triggered ,

[@michaelwoody8737]

Republican here that watches destiny sometimes and would love to talk to him. There are 2 other channels due diligence and the vanguard believe finklestein and Hassan destroyed destiny on this

[@tnndll4294]

DESTINY needs to improve his physical posture, eye contact, & voice volume in in-person debates.

[@gregorye]

Steve needs to unleash his bad faith debate alter ego, Jason Bournelli

[@williamschlass6371]

ExCUse me MISter bourNELLi

[@jdjenk04]

Ever since Candace confirmed that Destiny is a 35 year old man’s name, we have seen a decline in powerful women reacting to each other. Shame.

[@nrein89]

No, "Stephen Bonnerelli" is a 35 year old man's name. Destiny is a [tentatively redacted].

[@plutoloco2378]

The name is now barelli

[@talsapps]

99% of all aid got into gaza with out interference at all, and even that 1% was just delayed and later went into gaza.

[@Bori.1776]

Destiny is a woman jokes are now banned or muted on the channel.

[@Whydoyouneedtoknow776]

And we're going to double down. Get used to it.@@Bori.1776

[@whospetcov9650]

“racist and sexist Destiny fans are attacking me, so I won’t be talking to him” coming soon

[@deeky1239]

She would totally play the sexism card lol.

[@mofishin2648]

Also, anti-tiktok Destiny fans

[@truthseeker-nv6ny]

But destiny fans are racists sexists that s true

[@jjreddick377]

Norm openly defended ISIS attacking Charlie Hebdo. And Ball is rambling about international law 😂😂😂 Zero self awareness

[@Just_a_turtle_chad]

Destiny still coping 😂

[@jjreddick377]

@@Just_a_turtle_chad I wish

[@PEZ1514]

​@just_a_turtle_chad bro we now your a neo N. I see you all over the youtube boards. Get a job

[@nachomanrandy]

who or what is neo N?@@PEZ1514

[@MandosCulture]

all of you destiny stans comment in the same kind of uber left, twitter brain, "gottcha" style way. It makes my mind soul and body cringe reading all of you attacking Norm with incomplete statements to defend your daddy Destiny.

[@fabricio4314]

listening to all these people talk about the Finkelstein debate makes me feel lobotomized

[@Just_a_turtle_chad]

I know right? How can they still believe destiny looked good here.

[@robertmeshechok4316]

how did he look bad, Norm refused to engage in any question or comentary without ad homing to oblivion, dodging by grandstanding, and acting fallaciously. 😭 @@Just_a_turtle_chad

[@RLQFK]

just a turtle is a low effort troll don't waste your time lmao@@robertmeshechok4316

[@BeauxJackson]

Why does America owe Israel anything? Why doesn’t Israel take care of itself

[@nicholasjacobs6605]

@@robertmeshechok4316 Don't bother man, he makes comments on every Destiny video being a troll without giving any kind of decent explanation just to bait angry comment.

[@mrfel4851]

Saying benny morris of all people should spend more time on tiktok is all you need to hear to forever discredit whoever wrote this holy fuck

[@ogd3thst4r93]

Krystal and Kyle have gotten weird. Anyone that watches the entire debate can understand that Norm never engages with anything you said even when Benny completely agrees with you. Norm refuses to have a legitimate conversation.

[@FentyCola559]

Kyle is a straight up Progressive Krystal is even worse

[@ogd3thst4r93]

@@FentyCola559 I'm a progressive Bernie supporter and I think both Krystal and Kyle have gotten weird.

[@ghostf6321]

Both of them are in the progressive camp, they cannot admit to anything outside of "Israel is the most evil country ever" because they have an ideology and an audience that demands so regardless of the facts.

[@FentyCola559]

@@ogd3thst4r93 they’re just radicalized at this point then

[@highwindnft2880]

I liked both pre-Oct 7 but I find myself being unable to watch them whenever Israel comes up.

[@AyubuKK]

It’s so hilarious how Finkelstein kept shouting at Destiny to have some humility while being the smuggest in the room during the whole podcast.

[@Just_a_turtle_chad]

Destiny got a degree in wikipedia research 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jdgoesham5381]

He's always like that. He always makes me think of the South Park episode where people buy hybrid cars and move to San Fran and get addicted to smelling their own farts. IIRC the ep was called "Smug"? His type always make me think of that ep.

[@ihaveachihuahau]

Meet every left wing academic basically ever in history.

[@MandosCulture]

all of you destiny stans comment in the same kind of uber left, twitter brain, "gottcha" style way. It makes my mind soul and body cringe reading all of you attacking Norm with incomplete statements to defend your daddy Destiny.

[@lolizorz]

I almost felt bad for Mr Borelli, but seeing him get humiliated in that way, was too satisfying to watch

[@dylaroo24]

The worst part about Finkelstein in this debate isn’t that he wastes everyone’s time with slow talking, it’s that he talks that slowly and still feels the need to interrupt you after you patiently waited for him to finish his long winded, pointless, slow ramble. That’s unhinged levels of disrespect. To act like that and still spew such nonsense like the Iron Dome is fake, Hamas is like the Jewish Warsaw uprising, Israel is committing genocide despite not knowing what the term Dolus Specialis is, the term used to prove genocide, and recently I learned from Dylan Burns that Finkelstein believes Russia is morally justified in invading Ukraine and he lied a bunch in order to justify it. It’s shocking anyone can hold Norm up as some credible figure when he is pushing positions like this.

[@mroctober3583]

Dylan is the only left channel I've seen this far not gargle norms balls and hold FinkleNUT accountable

[@veronicacampos1294]

The majority of the pro Palestinians glazing finklestein on that debate, are doing so because Norm represents their overall ideological values, majority of them don't have any type of justified belief on the issue. Notice only very small minority of them complimented Rabbani (besides making him also an example of Ad Verecundiam, which it is no real compliment at all😂) mostly because Mouin was more willing to engage in the debate and the facts being discussed in the debate and also more willing to be proven wrong, which of course for someone whose overall position derive from from ideological values, is a big no no, let's praise norm instead because he tried to to ridicule these two "amoral zionist losers".

[@evad687]

@@veronicacampos1294Yeah,it’s super telling whether they say good things about Rabbani (that’s his name right?) or if they just say that Norm destroyed. Norm is just blood sports that they can pretend is some authority because of his academic history.

[@t-mac1236]

On top of the obvious complaints people have about him I just don’t like how he believes he is this elite scholar. Refuses to use a computer and anyone that does is to not be taken seriously and is to be discredited. It also seems he believes that his word is the truth and anyone that disagrees with him is stupid. He can’t grasp the idea other opinions besides his own exist. It’s like other takes legitimately make him angry At the college he works at he almost didn’t get tenure which is unheard of. The other professors there absolutely despise him

[@Chad-xh8zs]

Norm’s life’s work is illegitimate and embarrassing. He should retire from public life.

[@ADHDHobbyHopper]

Norman Twinkelstein did not refute ONE single fact stated by Destiny. He just threw around insults instead and tried to discredit the truth “because it came from Wikipedia” or from someone who “didn’t read enough books” 🤦🏼‍♀️🙄

[@mrmr2488]

That’s just not true. He didn’t start insulting destiny until deep into the debate and he spent plenty of time responding to him lol.

[@tomcanseco]

The copium from you sycophants is hilarious

[@doubleFay]

​@@tomcansecoplease Tell US where Norm got destiny on facts or arguments

[@IWearShaqs]

It was clear Destiny was lost most of the conversation...he only chimmed in to state really obvious statements....Like a guy that wants to be noticed ,but has no business being there..

[@Duckman065]

@@mrmr2488 Refute NYCZIO claim with evidence, what did Norm refute that Destiny stated?

[@TheZealo]

"Destiny was out of his depth" "How do you know that?" "Because Norm called him a moron several times" Damn, I didn't know thats all you had to do to impose some sort of intellectual superiority. Just call the other person a moron, why didn't I think of this before!

[@mrmr2488]

She actually said “He sat quietly and didn’t say anything for most of the debate”… why do you think that is? I would be interested to say the break down in speaking time. Everyone in that room had spent decades studying this and everyone in the room knew destiny is just out of his depth. Most of destiny’s push back was presented in the way of questions and him admitting he doesn’t fully know the history. This isn’t even debatable and how destiny fans are able to spin this into a W is wild.

[@robertmeshechok4316]

him asking questions isn't a concession of being out of his pond, his rhetoric was pointing out flaws in their arguments and then forcing concessions. Absolute divorce from reality@@mrmr2488

[@tomcanseco]

You doing ok with your coping? Need anything lil guy?

[@LuciusSicarius]

I've seen so many people cheering on Norm for getting Destiny's name wrong or calling him a moron, and it just baffles me. If you are super pro Palestine and fuck Israel, then if anything you should be angry and disappointed with how Norm behaved in that debate. Dude was in a debate with a video game streamer, and somehow he was the one that was throwing out insults, getting angry, and just behaving like a child.

[@therongertz3570]

No, destiny sitting quietly like Morris’s little bitch for 95% of the debate, only to try and trick norm or rabbani into intentionally reductive gotcha questions ‘do you think terrorists should be allowed to exist or not?’ type shit. Norm is a respected historian in this field and has been for 40+ years, went to Princeton, has countless peer-reviewed, well-researched books on this topic. Destiny is a contrarian nobody who only convinces other dunning Krueger idiots that he is at all intelligent.

[@ADHDHobbyHopper]

😂😂😂😂😂 she did not just say you should spend more time on TikTok to get ACTUAL information instead of propaganda!!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@openmike4559]

You’re to dumb too understand sarcasm.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

I hope that was a joke cause my God...

[@gastarbeiter8384]

That was 100% sarcasm… she can’t be serious about that.

[@dankoKn]

She was serious

[@bettalivin]

She was dead serious too 😂😂😂😂

[@edo2514]

I guess "u dum" is a top-tier Pro-Palestine argument.

[@killzone866]

the phrase should be u dum u bum.

[@m.j.e.5245]

Its way easier for most of these people to do backflips into trying to make logical arguments for palestine rather than just admit they hate jews and are antisemitic.

[@Hi-Scores]

reality, common sense and a moral compass are all thats required to defend palestinians position. Destiny is genius at getting into semantic squabbles and missing the larger point completely, all while hopelessly trying to argue for the wrong side of history

[@edo2514]

@@Hi-Scores Reality, common sense, and a moral compass would not bring you to a pro-Hamas and pro-Houthi position like it has Finkelstein and a lot of pro-Palestinian advocates.

[@Hi-Scores]

@@edo2514Nor would any of those things allow you to condemn the actions of those groups without also considering the context in which their violence occurs and why it occurs. You dont have to support the violence, you can even condemn it. But you cant not inquire into why it occured (in a serious manner) while body counts cross 40k

[@_basedperry]

“Why do you think the founding of Israel would lead to expulsion?” “Because, it would” Fucking DESTROYED!

[@eddiefinlaw8045]

Because they fucking admitted that's what they needed to do?

[@brentcole8464]

You should blame the Arab states for losing wars

[@user-mz1vo3yt1p]

​@@eddiefinlaw8045 some thinking it was inherently necessary is different from that actually being the case. Expulsion only became the dominant line in Zionism after multiple pogroms in mandatory Palestine and the 48 war

[@eddiefinlaw8045]

@@user-mz1vo3yt1p complete bullshit

[@iwantanxbox8765]

dude, theyre building a new country in a place where people already live, of course that would lead to expulsion

[@rdg7250]

Breaking points research is 100% reading tweets

[@jdgoesham5381]

Don't forget TikTok.

[@malikshabazz2065]

so true

[@josemenendez2775]

The fall off when they left the hill should be documented and studied

[@Wi_Gong_Dye]

Sagaar is the most well informed. But only on a handful of topics. Ppl need to remember: They r pundits. Opinion based on the research of others.

[@Steve2016100]

​@@josemenendez2775I think it really started when she married KK.

[@famalam943]

“Israel is breaking international law” - Norm Finklestien Also Norm: “Russia has the right to invade Ukraine”

[@squatch545]

He never said that.

[@Davidh741]

he never said that you clown good try

[@famalam943]

@@squatch545 he literally made an entire video about how Russia has the right and he straight up tweeted those exact words. Your hero is a crank fraud

[@famalam943]

@@squatch545 he literally tweeted those exact words and made an white video on why he believes this. You’re hero is a crank fraud

[@famalam943]

@@squatch545 he wrote those exact words and make an entire video explaining why he believe it

[@Fraggle-h7o]

Ball is a good case study in how bad faith arguments work. Notice the absurd amount of well poisoning she has to do before showing anything that was said by destiny or any clips at all. Tucker Carlson does this a lot also

[@jjreddick377]

Agreed

[@100AcreWoodz1]

Horseshoe theory in real time

[@FlCl3000]

It’s crazy how nobody has just made videos showing norm coherently refuting anything destiny said. Instead they have to say he isn’t a scholar so he has no idea what he’s talking about 10 times before playing a clip of tinklestein morally grandstanding and not answering the questions he’s asked.

[@areliablesource7733]

​@FlCl3000 deny deny deny and when you can't deny any longer gaslight that what you denied is actually a good thing. "It's not happening but if it is It's a good thing." Leftist have ruined discourse. They don't need to refute anything.

[@Fraggle-h7o]

indeed@@FlCl3000

[@ADHDHobbyHopper]

The only reason she thinks you didn’t belong there is because Norman kept being a condescending prick and talking about Wikipedia. There’s no way she actually processed ANY of the information about the conflict. She has no idea what she’s talking about!!

[@mrmr2488]

No, he thought he shouldn’t be there because he had nothing to actually add lol. Destiny didn’t speak for like 80% of it because he didn’t know what to say, he had nothing. His limited research only really pertains to recent events and even on that, there is so much more disinformation floating around due to war time propaganda. This is why Finkelstein says this. Destiny doesn’t know the deep history, so how could he ever be certain if what he is saying and how is he certain he isn’t repeating lies? He can’t be because he isn’t a historian or expert. He’s just a political commentator

[@tomcanseco]

Lol na bro. Destiny didn't need to be there simply because his 1 month research doesn't compare to the other people in the room. Destiny was used as a pawn, accept it 😂

[@markantony12]

You say that, yet norm couldnt address a single point of his coherently. Quit your bizzare selective vision

[@markantony12]

I was being too nice, its not selective vision, its just blatant dishonesty tbh

[@tomcanseco]

@markantony12 the projection is strong with this one...

[@killzone866]

Its unbelievable that i am very sympathetic to the Palestinians but these folks ruin that sympathy by constantly lying and making everyone who wants to defend them look like fools.

[@synchronium24]

Don't lose your sympathy for the Palestinians. Lose your sympathy for the grifters and ideologues.

[@tomektalk4671]

I feel the same way.

[@wolfachilles5451]

@@synchronium24as a Jew that supports the war, I agree with your sentiment

[@blzzz]

The smug mannerisms are so off putting I wouldn't agree with her if she was correct.

[@lolizorz]

Destiny is way more insufferable than that

[@fsh_outta_wtr]

How so?

[@virtuerse]

@@lolizorznot the insufferable weirdo who is asking for nsfw deepfakes, come on bro don’t try and be taken seriously no one is falling for it lmaoooo

[@lolizorz]

@@virtuerse Spoke like a true Destiny fan and waste of oxygen

[@virtuerse]

@@lolizorz both of your comments are self liked, don’t try and pretend now buddy 🤣🤣

[@icantthinkofacoolname1308]

It breaks my heart to see powerful beautiful intelligent women tearing eachother down

[@PhilosophyofGuitar]

Hey! Be respectful... Destiny's clearly a man. His real name is Mr. Borelli!

[@RobertZemeckis2025]

@@PhilosophyofGuitar he is talking about Norm's boyfriend

[@commonwunder]

Saagar is far less emotional about the Gaza-Israel conflict. It's Krystal ( and her husband ), that seem to feel vehemently against jews generally ...and Israel specifically. She does most of the segments on her own... she's taken point on this issue and is 'disgusted' by it. When you're a news service and you've 'gone emotional' ...gone over to an absolute hatred of one side. Then you're no longer serving the public anymore... just yourself and your own feelings of righteousness. Saagar and Krystal must've talked this over... and she said, she's not backing down. This means far too much to her and her husband. They're both isolationists at heart... 'America first'.

[@MarkG-nl4oq]

They aren’t isolationists they are tankies that love authoritarians, That’s why they constantly simp for Maduro as well

[@vortex_1336]

Yeah, I'm at the point where I just think she just doesn't like jews in general.

[@fish8622]

I agree. The not backing down is a big issue. You should always be willing to back off something because there is almost always room for error. People get things wrong; our reason fails. To say that you won’t back off a point is to deny this, blinding yourself the possibility that you could be wrong. Even if she’s right (which I doubt); it’s still a fucking stupid thing to say

[@lex_inker]

If you look at the channel it has become consumed by it in such a way its irrefutable that its just hatred at this point

[@orensish]

Say what you want but calling them antisemitic is just stupid

[@purplefyrus5370]

I like how Krystal is also a youtuber lol. The self deprecation be real

[@TheStatisticalPizza]

All of the hosts from BP staff have a background in politics and establishment political media. That doesn't make them correct but you can't attack their credentials here, on paper they're all far more qualified than Destiny. Although in some sense that actually makes it worse when they say stupid things.

[@patricknoble3090]

^^ LOL awesome point. For some reason this never occurred to me until now you've said it

[@deeky1239]

@@TheStatisticalPizza They're far more credentialed in political hackery indeed. What a thing to boast about lmao.

[@artexjay]

Krystal suffers from self hatred

[@trentalexander-maguire7813]

yet their whole identity is being anti-"legacy media", @@TheStatisticalPizza

[@michaelscott70]

Krystal is a clown. Destiny has gone from zero knowledge of the IP conflict to debating alongside a key and well respected Israeli historian in a matter of months. He’s shown an incredibly ability to absorb and contextualise a mass amount of information in a short time. Me, someone who is close to the conflict my whole life, love seeing this journey of discovery and get excited to see what new information he’s gathered and how that impacts his position. I love that he is non bias and genuinely is seeking truth. I became a fan of destiny since Oct 7th and it’s made me value his other opinions on matters. Kudos!

[@daenbrown830]

If you think he's non biased you're blinder than a bat

[@mispa9310]

Same journey!

[@L0kias1]

@@daenbrown830 if you think your opinion matters you are blind

[@taylanator2000]

Appeal to authority is an actual logical fallacy, disappointing to see Breaking Points duo openly embrace it as some sort of point

[@zunuf]

Don't you know? Pointing out shitty arguments means you're a "debate pervert". Just listen to an authority on the subject like the UN. Unless they disagree with me.

[@socialjihad5724]

​@@zunufIt's not even listen to the UN...it's listen to a guy telling you what the UN said

[@daenbrown830]

Destiny appeals to himself now as he's the ultimate authority.. self proclaimed second coming on this subject. He's ego blinds him to his callous nature

[@taylanator2000]

​@@daenbrown830 Nothing wrong with having your own thoughts on a subject. Norm came off to everyone as being a pompous academic, that couldn't address Destiny's points directly, instead relying on his academic and scholarship accolades instead of sound reasoning.

[@virtuerse]

@@daenbrown830ignored Norm’s appeal to authority to then turn around and claim Destiny has appealed to authority in his thinking, you guys really are flimsy with your principles hahaha.

[@user-texgen]

For a Krystal Ball, shes really opaque. She cant tell you anything worthwhile, past, present, or future 😂

[@Chad-xh8zs]

She’s a fashionable opinion curator

[@jt9124]

"A child at the grownup table" says Kyle Kulinski's mom wife.

[@malikshabazz2065]

so true

[@muzzz9514]

Holy fuck I died reading this

[@SabracadabrO]

I believe theirs wide acceptance on this,near-global consensus amongst the scholarship,there’s some pushback from some big hair product powers such as L’Oréal,mostly between the blue faction & blondes 👱

[@Joe_mammma]

Context? Sounds fun.

[@LizStaples]

She doesn’t realize that by being elitist and calling D, beneath them. That just proves that Norms message will never penetrate to broader American public, who are even less educated on this topic, and have not magically overcome recent history of AntiMuslim sentiment.

[@whiteshadow15]

My fave part of the debate was norm doggedly misquoting Benny Morris' book to the point when lex had to ban him from referencing it again

[@patricknoble3090]

^^ this. Lex is so chilled and vanilla you know that you've gone totally off a cliff if even lex has gotten sick and tired of you're bs.

[@Hi-Scores]

he clearly quoted several passages and questioned morris on them directly, at which point morris started deflecting n squirming like a worm, not even saying it was misquoted but "misinterpereted" lol. I mean forreal dood? lol

[@nathanshand846]

@@Hi-Scores misinterpreting a quote to mean explanation A when the author really meant explanation B then bringing it forward to attack someone’s intellectual integrity on explanation A is exactly was misquoting is. Benny is not a debater he’s a historian he isn’t overly familiar with the common debate language. It is also stupid to completely attack someone’s personal quotes in a 6 hour debate with 3 other people and a whole audience watching when the person who holds the “conflicting” opinions is literally directly in front of him. It seemed to be a recurring thing Norm did, just attacking ad hominem (especially destiny) instead of actively bringing up any of his extensive knowledge to the table to discuss.

[@Hi-Scores]

@@nathanshand846Benny and Norm have had back and forth about misquoting alleged by destiny and and morris prior to debate, its only fair to address it. He quoted benny to his face in crystal clear language to confront him on it, for benny its a rock and a hard place, he's always gonna lose because he simply cant reverse time and unwrite what he wrote. So hes caught in the crosshairs trying to get into semantic arguments and spin the ever loving shit outta it to confuse what his words clearly say, it isnt a book of poetry after all theres no interpretation needed. So I take it you fell for the squirming ?

[@Hi-Scores]

@@nathanshand846for destiny well, 3 academics and a student walk into a classroom, and a student should take notes, as destiny did. Putting aside norm trolling him, destiny didnt have much to contribute on anything, and as as happened many times he argues for the sake of arguing and missed the point of the few convos he actually did engage in. Live n learn i guess

[@StandingPat]

It’s a shame because I used to love Breaking Points. After October 7th, there was a huge increase in unhinged hackery.

[@Ithaca-vv5dy]

I know, the whole thing has broken some brains

[@adtastic1533]

Krystal was always an unhinged nutter

[@archer9664]

Exactly

[@nickt2822]

nah, it started when putler decided to expand his empire. they went full "west bad mkay".

[@saltyslops]

there was a shift in the debate when benny went from treating destiny like a suspicious outlier in the beginning to a proud mentor by the end. When he started saying, "Steven's right" it make me smile.

[@amorencinteroph3428]

Destiny had interviewed Morris before hand, and apparently consulted his notes with him to ensure they were historically accurate the day before, so he probably wasn't too suspicious of him to start with. Maybe uncertain of how well he'd do in a hostile conversation on the topic, though.

[@Sablemae76]

I'm going to start calling myself a scholar

[@LeThayMann]

Of what? Tell me how something is

[@Sablemae76]

@@LeThayMann of scholarship

[@kinggriffinhammer6834]

@@Sablemae76TRUUUE!

[@Sablemae76]

@@LeThayMann something is because it was

[@Kelvasisthebest]

​@@Sablemae76 TRUE

[@TheOneTrueCynic]

Actually lost it when Krystal said Benny Morris needs to spend more time on TickTock to get better info on the ongoing war. She is a deeply unserious person.

[@yallgottaunderstand]

Bro the response to the Cornhuskers chatter had me rolling

[@LizStaples]

3:53 Destiny was definitely odd man out he is different genre than the old men at the table. But Lex was smart to include him as he got eyes on this without D nobody would watch this 5hr thing.

[@pleasenobotsjd1744]

“Are you a Cornhusker fan” “STFU” … “Not sense Osborne left” Pure comedy

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

"Why am I getting triggered by a teleprompter? I don't need to." 😂

[@razzle_dazzle]

The thing is, I think she did actually write that opening monologue herself. I don't know why Destiny assumed she didn't.

[@katanabluejay]

I think you can and should blame her for a lot of this. Destiny was too nice to Krystal if anything.

[@xdan08]

I had to unsubscribe from breaking points and Kyle once the Israel conflict started.

[@LeThayMann]

I’m in the same boat. I like Saagar but he lets her take over the conversation too much, most of the time with unsubstantiated ramblings and interruptions

[@emanate0]

@@LeThayMann i dismissed saagar and breaking points early on when they had on that cia guy talking about selling weapons to taiwan. saagar repeated his talking points for weeks with no push back from krystal. god it made me so sick

[@chrissantos5580]

I know it's like we get it Biden is not changing course move on

[@xdan08]

@@LeThayMann sometimes it’s hard to tell if they’re being dishonest or just failing to get their facts straight. I tend to lean towards the latter. There are So few good news sources anymore with everything having such a hard bias it’s more important than ever to get facts straight.

[@mroctober3583]

​@@xdan08 If breaking points came out and apologized for there lack of context, I'd give them respect but as for now they come off as just another bias Tankie sympathizer network

[@adam7763]

Thanks for the videos. It's good motivation to personally do a better job of engaging with the actual data and not relying on talking heads to distill information (including even Mr Borelli).

[@shalevkaren]

Thanks!

[@JBHACKSAW]

I am absolutely sure at this point that no one on the online left including fink can qualify a reading comprehension test.

[@deadzoneternity]

If Destiny was so far out of his depth, if Destiny really did say nothing of value, if Destiny was just an ignorant, debate bro idiot, people could easily just ignore his entire part of the debate. The fact these people ignore EVERY part of the debate, except for the parts where Destiny was talking, and their only point is to discredit Destiny as a person, for being out of his depth, goes to show they know they are coping HARD and their cognitive dissonance is struggling to fight for control.

[@mroctober3583]

Which is why destiny needs to go full scorched Earth on all these far leftoid channels, force himself on their channels and expose the shit outta them!

[@richg4011]

@@mroctober3583 They wont have him on. They know better. Theyre all in a specific lane of hiding from anyone with an actual brain to have conversation with. They mask it under the veil of "Im not a debater", but if they can have some easy win politician on their show to clout shark and bully, they'll do it then. Kyle, Krystal, Saggar, Briahna, Sam (sam has debated destiny multiple times tho, and in bad faith, and destiny as usual was being too nice to sam) all do this. Theyre literally the cable news hacks they hate, but on youtube. EVERYTHING these political characters do is straight from the playbook of CNN, MSNBC, FOX NEWS. Cips out of context, obfuscate the truth or straight up lie, run from accountability/debate, cherry pick angles of contention and pretend their is absolutely no counter discussion/argument to be had cause duh its just true. Cenk will debate, but hes also a lunatic political character thats debating purely for the entertainment value of it and to clout shark. Hes never been serious in his conversations, and just emotionally unhinged while trying to defend the impossible. The truth is all of them know who Destiny is, theyre terrified of him, and if they do debate him its always bad faith because they think Destiny is a debate bro thats gonna gotcha them, instead of someone that actually takes time to understand what hes talking about before taking a position.

[@mroctober3583]

@@richg4011 Yeah these Leftoid channels really reveal how bad faith they are when they shadow BAN you from their comment sections for giving mild pushback, all while simultaneously leaving the "Trump 2024" troll comments alone so it looks as if they're being "open minded' about politics when in reality they are arguably some of the most close minded ppl on YT, comparable to Trumpers since they both represent the extreme sides of their ideologies. The only saving grace is all these Tankie apologist channels are losing subs or showing zero growth (other than Breaking Points & TMR) so their message ISN'T resonating with a public. 👍🏽 Now it's just a matter of holding them accountable for their ignorant takes on a mass scale which is why I want Destiny to go on a "own the far left" tour visiting all these clown channels and specifically call them out for lack of nuance in front of their shallow audience.

[@Fyodor.Dostoevsky]

Krystal is the epitome of hyper partisan hackery

[@knots9119]

lmao you rejects will parrot anything for dismissal

[@Fyodor.Dostoevsky]

@@knots9119 cope + seethe

[@shnitzer7151]

You mean breaking points in general. They have really diminished and gone off the rocker since leaving the hill

[@lucinity4351]

​@@shnitzer7151Krystal could be swindled into endorsing communism. 100%

[@117Ender]

@@shnitzer7151 the hill isnt much better, bre is constantly bad faith, she literally supports blue, then gets burned and claims it never happened...

[@1czechit1]

STOP! 1834 Local Arabs committed atrocities on the Jews in the land of Israel during the "peasant revolt" (against Egypt) where they almost exterminated the Jewish population. And the Jewish state was established by international law in 1920! The ignorance of people thinking 1947-8 was the establishment of the Jewish state... is ridiculous.

[@jjreddick377]

Nobody cares about reality anymore. Israel and the West = always bad. Sad point we’ve reached

[@Pantifaximile]

no international law established a jewish state in the 20s. They did establish a state of palestine around that time though.

[@FlCl3000]

⁠@@Pantifaximile oh who established the palistinean state and where?

[@Pantifaximile]

@FlCl3000 the league of nations did so, where is highly publicised and easy to find, just search for the map of mandatory palestine.

[@1czechit1]

Here are five (5) international law conventions which established a Jewish state in 1920: April 25, 1920 San Remo Conference (1) League of Nations Covenant article 22 (2) Treaty of Sevres article 95 (3) United Nations Charter article 22 (4). British Mandate for Palestine (and Mesopotamia, must not for get that too.) document. (5) now go read. @@Pantifaximile

[@gocarps9973]

I stoped taking breaking point at their word when they started talking about economics, then had to walk back their statements about inflation because they clearly were out of their depth. Krystal relies wayyy to much on emotional arguments, often undermining her entire point once you realize she sometimes has nothing else to back it up

[@TheOneTrueCynic]

Anyone who thinks that destiny stood out on the panel didn't watch the debate. The only one that stood out to me was Norm because he was rude and unhinged pretty much the whole debate whether it was irl clip chimping Benny or screaming about "WICK E PEDIA" whenever Destiny directly confronted him.

[@Naalders]

Couple of things stood out for different reasons. Norm because he was a slow talking douche Destiny because of the "scholarly" level Benny because he was too timid his knowledge. Robani because he didnt stood out really

[@Meltheon]

Man, the humming/buzzing in the background and other background noise has been slightly more distracting than normal in the last couple videos. SM7B time finally???

[@LizStaples]

I think AC as Miami is warming up with spring time.

[@thedunator]

How did Destiny miss the “pro-Zionist” jibe made by Krystal in the beginning?!

[@A_3000]

It doesn't matter anyway. The whole thing is just a sham

[@bigdadybojangls9219]

“The pro-Zionist side” 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@bludragon47]

We’ll probably because it’s true. Zionism isn’t bad unless you think Israel shouldn’t exist.

[@souljaboyisbad]

Um what. Destiny is a zionist

[@A_3000]

@@bludragon47 Zionism at the beginning was. Now it's not. So calling Destiny that gives off a different meaning

[@PhattyPhil]

Krystal is just mad bc even with a real crystal ball she couldn’t hold a candle in that debate and she’d be exposed as the joke she is. Just like her husband would have been

[@albertosingsattimes]

Norm outpaced Destiny intellectually in this debate. Yes this is a bait for those in particular having a Norm sized dent in the back of their throat caused from gawking on his, thick, meaty, vein, narrative-driven hip thrusts. I defy you to tell me what point exactly Norm "won". Everyone, every soul, will wait for one viable example.

[@analysteseses4488]

This debate just showed that destiny is getting paid to defend israel. Because there is no motivation in the world other than money to selectively choose how morality works and change of the facts which was far more often

[@icekills1]

​@@analysteseses4488 pure conjecture

[@edwardliversidge3911]

Mr Albertorodriguezi. I have listened to this podcast many times, 4 times in fact i have listened and i have absorbed every single word. And although i hear destiny speaking many words. In all 4 of my listens, i do not infact hear destiny make a single good point. Not one and i have listened to this podcast many times. Krystal from breaking points who is a journalist, one of the best in the world, has covered gaza extensively has also heard the podcast. She says and i quote "norm dogwalks destiny in debate" How do you explain that?

[@albertosingsattimes]

@@edwardliversidge3911 shit.. Krystal said that? I hear her focus game is crazy. Some might even say her powers of concentration are terrifying.

[@albertosingsattimes]

@@analysteseses4488 Good viable example.

[@jmw611]

How smart can Crystal be? She is married to Kyle Kalinski. Who makes a great living giving bar stool political takes at an 8th grade level saying bro 20 times an hour.

[@vortex_1336]

I mean she's completely converted Kyle to all her political views so she must be doing something right.

[@joshtanner8048]

Whoa bro be careful about the bro talk bro

[@thomasvincent9220]

He whipped ​@@vortex_1336

[@ouishi9447]

Woah diddn’t know Kyle and her married, i bet they’re a good fit. They feel super similar in political perspective. Wish him the best, watched him alot as a teen and he’s a cool guy who seems to want the best for people, just wish he’d be more humble so he would see people he disagree with as more than debate bros and people of bad faith so he could actually engage in challenging debates with them, i think he could learn from that.

[@vortex_1336]

@@ouishi9447 Actually Kyle was WAY more balanced in his views before he got with Krystal. He adopted all her views once they got together. He literally just parrots everything she says. Especially her burning hatred for Israel.

[@bakasan0000]

Destiny, if you ever debate Krystal, please make sure it's for 1+ hours. She is best in these short-form videos because she has no idea what she's talking about, can regurgitate talking points, and cut people off when they try to raise valid points.

[@JurassicGoose]

Look at Crystal Ball trying to appeal to authority by acting like a KZbinr should be discredited when she is in fact... a youtuber.

[@htown148]

She's so effin lame now

[@JurassicGoose]

@@htown148She's so unbelievably pompous and smug for being such a moron.

[@Veronica24296]

@@JurassicGoose hey! Stop with the adhoms!

[@Bebetterblog-jh5yh]

I watched the entire pain staking thing... This is CNN/MSNBC levels of mis-charactarising of what happened in this debate. Steven made patently clear points and asked great questions that was utterly and completely unanswered.

[@fish8622]

I watched the whole thing too, but I wouldn’t describe it as painstaking. It was like going to the circus! Hilarious

[@Bebetterblog-jh5yh]

@@fish8622 either way. Of all the guys in that room... Steven was supposedly the one out of his depth... But he handled himself in exemplary fashion. Respect

[@ballsnoballs4844]

Most of his questions were answered by both mouin and norm. The clips of finklestein being disrespectul to destiny were also followed up by answers, this seems like a bad faith comment.

[@colinplaisance4274]

Norm also speeds up quite a bit when he’s interrupting people.

[@dru70292]

3:12 LMAO what a roundabout way of trying to avoid that she was right about "one of the individuals", destiny, not belonging at the table in this debate.

[@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli]

Leftists have lost their minds over the Israel/Palestine situation like right wingers did with Covid and masks. 😂

[@henryburton6529]

47:45 so weird. Destiny thinks we are judging Israeli government by Hamas' standards. Why would he think that? I hate Hamas but still think Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza. Its like that opinion is too complex for him to understand

[@ListlessLion]

1:14:59 Krystal seems to think Destiny only learned the term dolus specialus to gotcha people

[@OneNot]

Holy shit, that TikTok line (53:20) killed me. Whoever was writing the stuff she says must be trolling her. Just slipped it in there correctly assuming she'd just say it without thinking.

[@CraigTalbert]

Yeah that was crazy that she said it out loud.

[@tonystefanuk2149]

I feel like these people actually live in a different universe where the interview was completely different I watched the whole debate and I have no idea where her shit is coming from

[@areliablesource7733]

It's called cognitive dissonance

[@PANKURUCHA]

She's a hardcore ideologue when it comes to anything Israel/Palatine related. She's also had Finkelstein on her show a bunch of times for friendly interviews. She's so completely emotionally connected to a single narrative around the issue that she probably had her mind made up about it before she even watched the debate.

[@intermediate212]

​@@PANKURUCHAsummed it up perfectly 👍🏾

[@rynethorup5690]

Please tell me they have accepted the offer to have a conversation with destiny. I'm very curious if she can elaborate past a pre written script

[@thecoolannishatk.]

No

[@MMAGamblingTips]

Breaking Points is deleting all (at least most) pro-Destiny comments. If you sort from *newest* you will see Krystal getting “dogwalked” by the comment section.

[@thecoolannishatk.]

Which video was this? I wanna see

[@MMAGamblingTips]

@@thecoolannishatk. The one where it says “Norm Finkelstein Dogwalks Destiny in Israel Palestine debate…” or something like that. I can’t post a link or KZbin would delete it.

[@thecoolannishatk.]

@@MMAGamblingTips Found it Thanks

[@conorschweppe]

Its great to see 2 women who were previously sexworkers (I assume from their names) finally break into politics!! ❤❤

[@LeviNotik]

Around 46:55, you are describing "expected value." I know you know this, just clarifying for those interested in the concept you're explaining.

[@moderatemike2032]

While I disagree on several points that Destiny has made on other videos I have watched, I really appreciated his intellectual honesty and reasoning skills. I’ll continue to listen to him purely for the fact that I take his positions seriously.

[@daenbrown830]

The problem is exactly his reasoning he's able to make ANY position plausible.. this is where the fraud comes from. He can find a string of words and the relevant information to bulldoze any point into confusion without having to prove he's point in any comprehensive way.

[@cylindercycle4577]

​@daenbrown830 you can make a reasonable argument for any point, part of debate classes are making persuasive arguments for points you don't really believe in. once you've heard the argument it's up to you to decide, given the facts, what you believe is right based on your virtues

[@zacharyp1089]

Godddd I want Krystal to accept the debate request. She would take more L's than Palestine has the past 80 years

[@TobyElmendorf]

The worst part about the criticism of Destiny for the debate is him, "not belonging there". No counter points brought up about how he was wrong, or what he was wrong about, which there were some things to disagree with him on. But instead of that, it's just, "durrrr KZbinr, durrr wikipedia, durrrr" they're not giving examples of him being wrong. They're just challenging the credentials or laughing about Norm insulting him lol, Mouin was great though.

[@bradders9743]

Exactly. It's all ad hominem with no substance.

[@LowTempDabr]

Krystal Ball is such a shameless name hahahah what were the parents thinking? 😂

[@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739]

And she's not even hot

[@MrVIrginiaLUV]

Lies... ​@@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739

[@kirbycooper9496]

Stripper name

[@narsimhas1360]

@@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739come on man she is hoy

[@LowTempDabr]

@@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739 .....Kay? Gtfoh

[@faketheo3432]

barely 5 minutes in and all she does is present pro-Twinkledoink comments from the Lex's video like she came up with them herself to describe the debate 💀

[@killzone866]

I absolutely love an appeal to authority before a breaking down if you will of the points. Great start.

[@ms6534]

Any time a valid point is made against Israel, the first retreat for Destiny is to ask "what about Hamas though?" Or, "what about Arabs?" Etc. Etc. It's irrelevant to the point at hand. If you want to discuss the morality of actions on the other side, wait until the discussion on the behavior of Israel or the Yishuv is concluded. Or at least provide justification for the appeal to hypocrisy.

[@machheydt176]

I think Mouin went there as well. Didn't he say he never gets asked to condemn actions of Israel. That Israels morality is almost never questioned. That the way Destiny talks about 'war is tragic and people die... but what about brutal Hamas killings etc.' shows he is applying morality to actions of Hamas but not to Israel. Their counterargument is that Israel is bombarded with resolutions and it feels as if they're singled out. However, there are no practical sanctions against Israel from Western countries. Day 1 of Russia's invasion into Ukraine my country took resolutions, broke off any and all relations with Russia etc. Today still, my country is exporting weapons to Israel, and allowing universities to keep relations with groups researching technology used in military, but made sure to issue a statement where they condemn Hamas....

[@Freerezervex]

I'm sorry, could you time stamp what you're referring to?

[@ms6534]

@@Freerezervex 29:09 reaction to the offhand "imperial stooge" comment. By the way, yes many (probably all) countries formed in the middle east after WWI were extremely beholden to a particular imperial power. Using external support of foreign powers to impose an unjust rule is bad whether it's the Saudi or Qatari royals, the Bath parties, the Iranian prince (forgot his name,) or the Iranian Shia clerics. Or Israeli military rule over the Palestinians. If you watch the "conversation" on lex's channel, no one is ever really conceding a difficult point that makes their "side" look bad. Lex's mission to have an elucidating conversation was an epic failure. Benny Morris and Norm Finkelstein are both smug pricks. Destiny and Rabin would have been a better conversation. Fuck, Destiny vs. Morris would have been a good conversation. Overall, Finkletard is the worst actor here, but Destiny didn't take long to abandon the "discussion" and enter bloodsport debate territory.

[@Freerezervex]

@ms6534 ? The reason he makes that critique on the imperial stooge comment is becuase it's baseless. 1. The Arabs never have the Jews a chance to even show their imperial prowess 2. They took land from an actual "imperial power". It's just meaningless buzzwords that don't convey any real meaning.

[@machheydt176]

@@Freerezervex If you're asking me: (02:24:24) of the original upload by the Lex Fridman channel. Mouin says '...The demand and obligation of condemnation is exclusively applied, in my personal experience over decades, is exclusively applied to Palestinians'. Benny and Destiny both soon thereafter say that there are enough resolutions against Israel and enough condemnation. Mouin however asks when has an Israeli spokesperson ever been asked to condemn an act of Israel. I know my country condemned Hamas, but merely *reminded* Israel of International Law, they never condemned them. While someone like Piers Morgan on his show, asked each and every person on this subject 'do you condemn hamas'. I know it is mostly anecdotal, and i would have loved to see a little more on this subject.

[@yaaraamozig4862]

Thank you🙏

[@michaelscott70]

You should have a recap with Morris.

[@franzferdinand5810]

Norm also defends Russia's war on Ukraine en so does Breaking Points. They are a joke!

[@danl7442]

Me: hey pushing people into ghettos might result in push back. You: stop defending terrorism

[@alansnyder9]

​@@danl7442okay, what does that have to do with Russia?

[@lilhoe1994]

Russia defends itself against western terrorism. NATO should have not expanded towards the former sovjet states

[@adelinodenga5184]

Destiny, my brother, have you written a book on the topic? Coz the other guys have been investigating the topic forever, when did you start actually researching this topic? Just out of curiosity?

[@Santirata]

Breaking Point is inundated with these counterfactual and hyperbolic talking points regarding this conflict.

[@Onestroke]

The STFU after the cornhuskers question got me lol

[@charcharr]

As a breaking points watcher ik for a fact this woman wrote her own script. She's compassionate to a fault, which unfortunately makes her emotional and stupid. I hope they agree to talk on stream it would be interesting.

[@EvidenceOfTheDivine]

7:30 the counter-argument is: If all the offer deals were shitty deals then there is no reason to accept it. Your argument is... if you are offered "a deal", regardless of how shitty it is... if it is offered enough times, and you decline it, then you are morally condemnable. This doesn't follow.

[@musky666]

But why wouldn't Lex interrupt Norm when insulting you or talking over you?

[@ouishi9447]

Im guessing Lex was pretty out of his depth on this topic, so it could have been hard to see who was making the overall better points. So if there was some chance in Lexs’ mind that Destiny had super bad arguments, Norms sentiment could be warrented even if it’s bad debate tactics. So then it could be bad optics to slow his roll. But he mabye should have. Im sure if Destiny had acted like Norm he would have stepped in cause Destiny has less cred.

[@1czechit1]

The land of Israel was majority Jewish. It became majority Christian in the 400s (Byzantine era) and majority Muslims during the Mamluk period (due to persecution of the Christians) and majority Jewish in 1948. From 1904-1947 950K Muslims Arabs immigrated to the land of Israel (out of a population of 1.9M by 1947.) So the majority Arabs were NEW to the land and nor "locals" as is portrayed by the Israeli critics (nice word for antisemites.)

[@SirWalterSansRien]

Ball delivered that like a child delivering a book report. What a joke.

[@AnthonySopran0]

14:21 oh my god im not even a Destiny fan and i died laughing at this

[@sagitarriulus9773]

I love how everybody over looks how that majority Arab population got there? Perhaps an Islamic expansion that happened on the 700 spanking 3 continents?

[@thomasvincent9220]

Yeah i love how history starts for these people 200 years ago, like why do you think the jews were in Europe in the first place???

[@almostafa4725]

@@thomasvincent9220what does that have to do with the people living in the Middle East? lol

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

True, although i don't think that means Arabs have less of a right to live there. It does derail the whole colonizers narrative, though. Arab Muslims conquered a massive amount of land

[@cappehnkrunch]

If the facts and the law are against you pound the table and yell like hell. - "Author and Scholar" Norman Fink

[@Ksean29]

I have a feeling that anti-western sentiment both in and outside of western countries, is simply too powerful in our current political climate. This sentiment is lucrative and permeates in the foundation of all of these peoples political positions. I believe destiny referred to this as the propaganda mindset. This is why information and evidence about this conflict is irrelevant. How incredibly frustrating.

[@synchronium24]

AIPAC has a far bigger influence on politics than "America bad" leftists, though I acknowledge that the latter are bad.

[@michaelscott70]

I wish Morris would have had your back a bit more and forced a response on your questions. I felt like Morris felt like this was all a circus show and didn’t want to stoop down.

[@rsan1512]

LMAO it’s gotten to you didn’t it Destiny?

[@Adam-zh4hm]

The constant slander with no context?

[@PunkiBrooster]

THEY PLAYED A CLIP IN THE ICJ OF AN IDF RAVE WHERE THEY WERE JUMPING UP AND DOWN SINGING “WE KNOW OUR SLOGAN! THERE ARE NO UNINVOLVED CIVILIANS”

[@Jaryism]

Wait.. her name is Krystal Ball? That’s literally a stripper name.. Wait, DESTINY is a stripper name though! @.@

[@CutACrow]

53:20 is unironically the most spooky shit I've ever heard. Unbelievable. Truly Unbelievable.

[@HeatMiserr]

Truly hilarious clown world moment

[@CraigTalbert]

Krystal loves the CCP

[@Jackman77100]

I wanted to hear Saagar's take on this situation. Krystal sucks

[@Choke-a-Cola]

You shouldn't say "Cherry picks" ( 35:26 ) it sounds too nice instead say "maliciously omitting crucial information"

[@Choke-a-Cola]

with mal intent

[@Choke-a-Cola]

maliciously

[@Choke-a-Cola]

EVIL

[@CraigTalbert]

Yes!

[@sward0483]

Its kinda crazy to think about it, but i cant think of a people more persecuted throughout all of history then the jewish peeps. A large part of their history is being enslaved, genocided or treated as lesser people. Throughout several eras and regions etc

[@michaelh878]

But a lot is made up, such as the whole enslaved by Egypt part (the Moses story is entirely fictional).

[@almostafa4725]

Maybe Jews should self reflect and change their behavior.

[@rehx4]

mad respect, Destiny!!!! appreciate your incredibly thorough research and insights!!!!

[@Smayor75]

Sometimes I can guess if a critical evaluation is worth it or not. Curiously, her video was suggested to me but I cannot understand how someone can watch the debate and come out thinking Norman did well (or remotely owned anyone). 😳 Hard pass… I wasn’t wrong I can see.

[@cosmocube8199]

Destiny assumes that lady didn’t know anything yet, or that people only watch 3 minutes… yet he knew nothing on the conflict before he showed his immediate bias towards Israel.. okay bud

[@lauren8135]

I don’t know if calling Destiny like “uneducated and thus irrelevant.” Helps here, even if it’s not it sort of comes off as stuffy and thumbing your nose, very “you can’t sit with us.” And it’s not like Krystal and Saagar are Isreal Palestine scholars.

[@Scardor]

I just realised her parents knew her last name was going to be Ball and they actually named her Crystal Ball... Jesus.