KTM 450 vs Stark Varg

[@lifewithbreak4450]

That small difference could be way over 10+ seconds of time on a full mx track over a full race.

[@bwhaskell]

So rad seeing more and more people realize how sick electric is for motocross. I've been on E since 2018. Even modern 450's feel ancient after riding a Stark or Alta.

[@EnduroSchoolBend]

Gonna open more ohv parks and tracks possibly

While I agree that electric is cool it definitely doesn't make my 24' KTM 300 feel ancient. Stark and altis are cool thoughts but far from realistic for anything that requires more than 50 miles of riding. My 300 shits all over both bikes in the suspension and range categories. My 300cc is 225lb and the altis is 210lb. 15 pound difference isn't much and the altis range is 30 miles which is like an hour of riding. 😂 I own both electric and gas. They're two different use cases so hard to compare.

[@joslinnick]

The stark vibrates a lot less, so that likely contributes to why he feels smoother and faster on it.

[@DailyDoseOfEthernet]

Oh yeah for sure

[@farbrornilsson9709]

And the fact it has 30hp more than the 450.

[@2wheels1love21]

He had the bike in mode 3…maybe 45 HP

[@Marleysdad808]

@@2wheels1love21 What mode he's in doesn't mean shit. What hp/regen it's set at does. Every stark has 5 modes & probably all of them are different. My mode 2/3/4 are all set at 50hp, just different regen.

[@2wheels1love21]

@@Marleysdad808 that’s cool.

[@axnax1]

Great riding there. Consistent and fast. Really interesting back to back time comparisons. So useful.

[@Declan_conlan]

He’s back no way Anyone there insane vid props to Josh’s riding

[@da5863]

It’s interesting how history repeats itself, electric is to gas what a 4 stroke is to a 2 stroke, more rideable, smoother, and heavier. Only difference is electric and 2 strokes have more power potential

[@DownSouthEnduro]

I agree👌

[@cylo1859]

imagine how good the stark varg and other bikes are going to be in say 10 years

[@da5863]

@@cylo1859 it’s insane, they could make 100+hp and last much longer on a charge, plus weigh less

[@Railkers101]

@@da5863 how the hell would they do that? its already almost unridable at 80 HP, and like what? carbon fiber? its going to shatter on a huge jump. Adding a massive battery is just gonna make it weight over like 350 pounds just to keep up with desert tanks. Also gas bikes can do that too, you know like make more horsepower.

[@dune7824]

Batteries are the bottleneck. If we can get around 4-6x the energy density from a battery everyone would already have an electric dirt bike.

[@mxengineer1]

Another cool video! Back to back comparisons are a great way to get a feel for the different characteristics of each bike. Cool you added lap times too! The Varg is such a different riding experience with instant acceleration and the simplicity of throttle and brake only!

[@ryanmillsap8645]

Both killer bikes....but only one has a beating heart

[@Studentofgosset]

meaningless

[@SixOhFive]

That means it’s easier to kill

[@indigo196799]

You know electric impluses make heart beat?

[@R6Siege_Addict]

the heart dont beat without an electric sparkplug

[@ryanmillsap8645]

@R6Siege_Addict that is true...its part of what makes a gasser alive

[@ARDrummer]

Very cool comparison!

[@TheDirtyBirchTrails]

Love it, thank you for the review. I have 35 hours on mine and loving it. Still love my gas bikes for hard enduro, but for fast single track, the Varg is more fun !!

How much fun is it riding 30sh miles and then taking it home to charge? That's like an hour of riding. 😂 I have single track days that are over 100 miles and sometimes close to 200 miles.

[@RadiantFreeEnergyResearch]

what i like most about the stark: 100% instant power/torque. no delay. no shifting gears. no clutch to be distracted with. much better throttle response. rather than waiting for a throttle cable to send the signal to the fuel system, the stark sends all signals at the speed of light. no petrol engine can compete with that. petrol is dinosaur tech. powered by dead dinosaurs. i won’t miss the inefficiency of the petrol engine. at best, the petrol motorcycles waste 60% of the energy in fuel (thermal inefficiency of internal combustion engine) all petrol engines are heaters. stark is the future, delivered today. my research and study indicate: the entire motocross industry is trying to figure out how to integrate this futuristic and inexplicably fast and powerful machine, into the mainstream of motocross, which is not an easy task, when the gap between the two technologies is so great. even when turning the power down on the stark, to match that of the much less powerful racing petrol bikes, most racers prefer the stark for every reason that matters most.

[@HarborEdwin]

This is a great comparison. However, most people no longer question if Electric can be faster...clearly they are. Bottom line is range and...wait for it...lack of sound. There is a 'danger' factor when other riders can not hear an approaching bike behind them. And, maybe even more important in racing, much of the Excitement factor (for Fans) is the Thunderous Sound a pack of Bikes make. For it to be a legit SX/MX bike, Range needs to double. Or, affordable Hot Swappable batteries need to happen.

[@adamcook1426]

Wow this was incredible, perfect way to test each bike man and well done with the editing. Geez l actually want an electric motorbike. Never thought id say that 😂

[@Kevin-s7s]

Think about this. One will run the same power output until it’s out of fuel. The other starts losing performance after 20 minutes

[@notagain8661]

The death of all motor sports. The dentist drill! ZZZzssss!

[@SixOhFive]

Those are air powered

[@TheDirtyBirchTrails]

🤣🤣🤣

[@gkling33]

Let me call you a waaaaahhhhhmbulance

[@paulturner8180]

Great video

[@veselipastir]

Is this the 80HP version or 60HP and what is the actual difference in the engine except the price ? Also they have version with rear foot brake or rear hand brake which they claim is better option - what would be your experience for that , like for stunts or getting over the obstacles which one would you prefer. Do you miss the clutch as an option to manipulate power more precise in the moment while on bumpy part or in the air so you mellow that instant response jerks?

[@darealbushwookie]

so from what he says without saying it was the stark would use less body energy to controll as the trottle range is more responsive? one question no one asks them is what feels like if its less strenuious to ride.

[@barcuda1250]

Looks private track so is the track forming better on the vag I feel tracks don't form well with the 4t so maby electric will fix? 2t and electric maby better riding tracks?

[@DanieleCortella]

hi, how many horsepower were you driving it with?

[@johnrenehan7406]

Never ridden a Varg - but sat on one and man handled a new one in the showroom once - felt damn heavy i must say Other lesser E bikes i have ridden all were way lighter

[@danielpelaez-g2r]

What track is that ? Great video btw

[@LongLiveEnduro]

Thank you so much for that. Just ordered an EX a couple of days ago. Selling my 2018 300 EXC in spring. Contact me if your interested and are willing to pick it up in Bavaria

[@urcarrion4713]

Love seeing the Stark, like most of us I am fascinated by the Stark.

[@sqd37l]

I bet you wonder how far that thing can go up inside too

[@stefantornblom1555]

In with mode did he run the Stark, 50 hp? Is the KTM stock or modified?

[@RoyClendaniel]

Great for MX or if you don't need to go too far. at 265 lbs, cant see it displacing 2T for hard enduro any time soon. Traction is an issue with electric bikes for technical riding since power is so continuous and the tire never rests.

[@steves2241]

The KTM can do that all day long, as long as you bring enough gas. You have to take the Stark Varg home to charge it after two hours of riding time.

[@cme982]

Not really. My buddies bring their inverter generators to the track and give it a full charge while they groom the track at lunch time. At Okechobee you get to ride MX1 or MX2 track for 15 mins per session and you have 30mins in between, that is more than enough time to get a decent charge with the 220v connect it comes with. These are guys that also bring their gas bikes for the fun as well. I ordered mine, but I'll keep my KTM 450 Factory Edition to rip as well.

[@richardoatridge8431]

Reckon I use less fuel powering my generator over a day and keeping my stark running than using an ice bike, so I think I could outlast an ice bike on 5l of petrol

Pros were getting 18 miles and less than an hour of track time on the varg.

[@jigglypuff4227]

Stark Varg is such a beast, I would love to see more people buying and riding it.

Would love to see over 100 miles range for 13k

[@7547JAMES]

Was he riding the stark full power?

[@Blonk_films]

Whats the fox kit your wearing?

[@rawcircoking]

I think to me, "maintenance " or replacing battery. Is where you spend more.

[@facedays6441]

what is a cheap bike for a beginner?

[@christophersharp1884]

I recommend a Huffy or Mongoose

[@UNS4NE]

yz 125

[@doom2507]

Ktm 500exc very slow and cheap for starters

[@fullthrottlemadness2116]

MAICO 700 2 stroke enduro

[@antoniobobanovic2075]

At one point in life for new rider we are going to look like uncle bob on his 20yo CR 125

[@dpx2001]

*checks garage* Apparently I am an “uncle Bob” with my 1994 CR 125 and 2002 YZ 426f haha

[@301h.u.s.h3]

301Boyz here

[@nicvic2323]

sup

[@extremesurron9886]

How tall is the rider?

[@goncalolemos5932]

without sound... is not the same vib.. exhaust and engine is hlf the fun

[@Jesus.Loves.You.7]

What type of a dirtbike do you guys recommend for a beginner rider?

[@jonwoodworker]

You first have to figure out what you're going to use it for. Are you going to motocross or trail ride, there is a difference. Then, just pick any inexpensive, well maintained bike.

[@jonwoodworker]

Can the Varg complete a moto? Can it complete a qualifier and a main. If not, it's junk.

[@Jesus.Loves.You.7]

Ok thank you for the information! 😊

[@kk1xx]

​@@jonwoodworkerit can

[@farbrornilsson9709]

Stark Varg is perfect for beginners. I have a Varg

[@squirrelhasnuts7368]

As always: aside from competition electric isn't a real option for years. Because you cannot change your batteries every half an hour of spirited ride. And recharging is way too slow or even way too expensive, considering fast charging is a real battery muncher.

[@Phillip.G.Lucion81]

Could someone please explain how this stark varg is not gas powered thanks alot for you help.

[@undrwrldsk8fred]

It’s powered by the tears of 4 stroke riders

[@dune7824]

@@undrwrldsk8fred which is why the range is so short. Not enough of them.

[@indigo196799]

Because it has an electric motor dude. We are not speaking environmental shit here, we speak about riding bikes. Your welcome.

[@wayno23]

Those trees 😨

[@Soeks77]

How tall are you? I’m 5’6

[@GroovyVideo2]

eMC is much easier to ride smooth and faster - no noise is Great also - Way More Fun -

[@lukewilkins1190]

Im the biggest petrol head but man these electric bikes are so fun ive got a couple talarias and they are so much fun dude

[@DerekHallman]

They offer a totally different riding experience for sure. Wicked fun!

[@NorthernHDrider]

Go pro, cornering on the stark is huge difference But, need a two stroke speaker. 😂

[@marctobey5408]

Needs cards in the spokes or something. Just a wrong cheesy sound. Maybe a blue tooth speaker with real engine sound lol

[@Bones871]

i really wanted to start my own youtube channel where i post riding videos like these but i dont know what to start, so i came to you. do you have any advice?

My advice is to get a real fuckin job and then buy a bike.

[@anotheryoutubechannel4809]

i own a tesla and a cybertruck. if i had to listen to that electric motorcycle for more than 5 seconds i would go crazy.

[@Kevin-s7s]

How are you going to compare something you can ride for 3/4 hours all out on one tank to something that starts losing power after 20 minutes? One moto. That’s what they got out of the stark

[@alessandro4714]

Gostaria de observar um teste de desempenho dessa moto elétrica numa corrida real! Fazer testes controlados onde a moto elétrica corre sozinha e por apenas 3 voltas numa pista suave, fica fácil dar boas estimativas. Quero ver numa campeonato real com 20 motos numa pista toda lascada, enrolando o cabo do acelerador e o circo pegando f1r3 😝

[@Brue58]

I could buy 10 pit bikes with that, and start up my own little Moto track and make money and there's a bunch of friends I would love to buy some land but I don't want it with trees so close to the track and I want my track wider

[@DStabs720]

Next take them out to the woods for a day and see which one he likes more

[@JayTheFirst]

here in the first 3 minutes!

[@DStabs720]

Another thing nobody ever mentions with electric is you're basically riding a full size kids bike. You don't even shift the damn thing. Take so much out of the riding experience

[@cody6824]

I’ll never get a dirtbike without a clutch screw that

[@farbrornilsson9709]

Ignorance is a bliss. I tried it and its so much better. Stark varg is too mcuh fun.

[@Railkers101]

@@farbrornilsson9709 I swear yall are like bots hired by stark.

[@farbrornilsson9709]

@@Railkers101 So you're a bot because you love a bike?

[@Railkers101]

@@farbrornilsson9709 bro you're just trying to force electric on people. That's not liking a bike anymore, that's just advertising

[@farbrornilsson9709]

@@Railkers101 Not really. I love gas bikes too, I'll probably get a KX450 aswell but since gas bikes needs tons of more maintenance i can ride the Varg when the gas bike needs work. I don't force electric to anyone i just prefer electric since i can ride when i want and wherever i want. Aswell as i got more power too. A week ago i couldn't sleep so i went out for a trail ride a 3AM. Good luck starting up a gas bike in your neighbourhood at 3AM. The biggest problem with you is that you have hate towards something you don't really grasp. You just hate the bike out of principle. You don't really have a reason to hate the bike. I know you would love the bike if you tried it but you will remain pissed because you feel that you are right and i am wrong. I love trying new things. I dont abandon what i've liked earlier because i try new things.

[@oceantri]

Damn I would be in the trees with multiple injuries.

[@honda116969]

Do what you got to do if⚡ is your thing there's just something about having an engine beneath your legs or in the car or truck you're driving... Electric will NEVER do that

[@3_Klos1122]

Stark Vargas is visually faster 4:07

[@philiprourke7732]

Interesting video, he is obviously a very good rider. I think that good riders are closer in speed between a varg and their combustion bike than slow riders are. The Varg is so much easier to ride than other bikes and it makes less skilled riders faster, sometimes a lot faster. I am exactly that rider..I feel more in control on the varg and ride with much better body position and stand more, because I don't have to use my clumsy feet for anything, I have the hand brake and that works so much better for je than I can even describe. Funnily enough, as well as my Varg, I also have a KTM 450sxf, bought it brand new about 2 months b4 my Varg arrived, thinking I would just enjoy having another differnt bike and I haven't had a 450 for some time now. I also have a KTM 300sx, a YZ 250 a YZ 125.actually 2 of them...a 2013 YZ 250f and a fully built and set up KTM super mini. I have st8ll not ridden the new 450, in fact Ive never even started it. I mainly ride 2 sessions on my ktm 300 then 2 on my Varg, but I just can't do it anymore, I have to force myself to ride the ktm and its just not fun! The problem is that I can plant the balls of my feet on the pegs, toies pointed in and correct body position on the Varg and do it easily! I just can't do that on my 300, shifting and braking are a nightmare now unless I just give up on ever trying to stay on my toes and just ride on my arches all the time...but the Varg has really woken me up to how bad that is. Im too old to be bothered putting the work to make my feet woork the way good riders do these days..it's just so much easier to just ride the Varg and enjoy the benefits of no shifting and no foot brake

[@larryhanes8527]

And when you’re 70 and have no feeling in your feet….. you buy a Stark and keep on MXing!

[@philiprourke7732]

@@larryhanes8527 yeah exactly...I will be 60 in a little over a year, and this bike will certainly keep me out there on the track having fun for years to come. My ankles are rubbish...this bike negates the problem in avery big way

[@larryhanes8527]

@@philiprourke7732check out the ankle saver foot pegs. Two torn Achilles tendons pushing me to try them.

[@mariabaynes6718]

stark hella good. ktm hella good

[@3_Klos1122]

Why is it more fun

[@ENDfalse-tine]

Wow they just gotta fix the range problem on the electric ones.

[@vfr492]

Maybe not comparable since this is slower enduro run but... kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZPFamqchZ6nqpY&t

[@TheWakeupsheeple]

What track is this?

[@Emtb-q6p]

It’s a private property track I believe

[@TheWakeupsheeple]

@@Emtb-q6p I want in! lol

[@oneaboveall1895]

$6k vs $11k id have to go with gas the cost of the Stark way to expensive

[@Kevin-s7s]

Plus no clutch. No motor too hear how to throttle up or down. Youd have to retrain yourself to ride

[@BTTAAdventure]

Trabas❤❤❤

[@Railkers101]

ok I mean everyone talks about the stark for like big bike racing but how do you all want to get rid of gas bikes even though that would get rid of 125 class, 85 class, 65 class, all kids bikes, 250 class, like that the hell do yall think this is, 450s only? also desert riding, that thing is going to die in less than 3 hours. Yall don't even consider other possiblites. Besides the zero maintenence, I see no reason to buy a stark for me at least. I do long trail rides where the varg would have easily died, maintenence for me is kinda just part of dirt biking, and wow its almost like you don't need all that torque when the 450 has enough to do pretty much anything. Like come on tell me how this is going to work all you "its the future" people.

[@DerekHallman]

I never want to get rid of gas dirt bikes lol. Just filmed a video of my friend on his new stark 👍🏼

[@Railkers101]

Yea no problem with that, I am just saying like the comments on this video is just a ton of people that want to get rid of gas.

[@richardoatridge8431]

No one wants to get rid of ice bikes, this is something different, that's all. There are people out there that don't ride 3 hour trails and don't need that range and want to have fun on a bike with less noise and different bike dynamics, that's all. No one's coming after your ice trail riding pass times.

[@KedvesvagyokxD]

gimme the ktm if u like stark varg more 😭

[@Brue58]

Looks like no one has road there for years it looks like sand it's light color

[@dune7824]

Remember when you were a little kid, and you had an RC car which gave so much fun for a few minutes but just as you found a cool hill climb or jump the battery started to run down and you had to hook it up to a charger for a couple hours. Later you discovered nitro/petrol cars and were blown away with the fact it seemed to run at full power right up until it was out of juice. It felt like cheating when it did eventually run out and you just had to add a squirt of liquid to continue where you left off. Yeah, we're still there in 2024 except the RC cars and bikes are full scale.

[@xx-----------xx873]

Difference is the nitro ones are hell to keep going right, electric just wants new batteries and doesn't go wrong. That's how I feel about both bikes and RC lol

[@Marleysdad808]

Yeah, those 7.2v 1000mah NiCad batteries sucked. Now you can run 5000mah 11.1 LiPo 's that'll give you 20 times the run time. Same will come for this & other bikes. New battery tech is just around the corner.

[@SmartiesMX]

Another Day aaaannoottthheerr Derek Hallman W (Day 42)

[@DOO718]

The bike is cool but you get what, 30 minutes? I only last about 15 so I would get 2 motos out of it! lol

[@philiprourke7732]

Everyone's mileage will vary. At the track I ride every weekend where it is deep ripped heavy loam, I can do2 x 20 min sessions ser at 55hp map, and the battery will run down to about 20%. At home on my natural terain hardpack track, on a 48 hp map, I easily get an hour and a half out of it till its down to about 20%. At another commercial track I sometimes ride, that is basically half tilled sandy loam and the other half concrete hard clay wih black rubber marks all over it and a lot of big floaty jumps, I recently did 2 x 20 min motos and still had 43 % battery left. Battery range depends on a lot of factors. I love the varg and my other bikes are gathering cob webs

[@DOO718]

​@philiprourke7732 that's awesome! I'm glad you like it, and thanks for the detailed info! If I had a few back yard tracks I would have one myself! But I live in the city so that dream is dead. I mostly ride track but occasionally I like to hit the trails so an ebike wouldn't work for me. I guess if I brought a generator to the track it might work.. how long would it take for a portable generator to charge it up for another moto? Or maybe I could let my trucks altinator charge it up with a DC-DC charger. Hmm now you got me thinking 🤔

[@philiprourke7732]

@@DOO718 I only have a 2..2 kv inverter generator, a cheap one and not very powerful, but I take it to the track with me now because Ive only been riding the Varg lately. It can only charge the varg at 4 amps. The charge rate is adjustable in the app between 2 and 10 amps, with 10amps obvioubeing a faster charge. But at 4 amps charging from my little generator I go ride for 15 to 17 mins with a full battery on the deep lam track, come back with about 71% battery, put it on the gen until mynext sessin is up and thats about 50 mins or so and its back up to around 93% go out and do it again...iff I keep doing that I get about 4 sessins in and Im done and the battery is still in the 60% range..so I really dont need to do that..could probably get my 4 sessions in for the day with one charge of about 50 mins duration. At that other track I mentioned, I would probably get an hourofriding time and Id be done without needing to charge through the day..as I saud , everyones milage will vary. I got a test ride on a Varg at my local heavy loam track maybe 6 months b4 mine arrived. It was set at 52 hp, I rode for 14 mins and used 37% battery, was thinking range was likely gonna be an issue for me at this track..Im a track worker there and ride there pretty much every time its open. Just b4 my bike arrived, stark announced an update that they were claiming was gonna add an extra 10 to 15 % battery range on average. When my bike came, I installed the update b4 riding it , so apart from that 1 test on the demo bike, I have no base of reference. But...I remember I used 37% in 14 mins at 52 hp..I made a note of that. On that same track, Im using around 30% in about 16 mins at 55 hp and running a much faster pace that it was possible for me to do on that quick demo test. So it does seem that it does last longerafter that update. This weekend Im racing it for the first time in mx1 c class..3 x 15 min + 1 motos , I will be locked in at 60hp in the race mode on the app....its a hard pack track after the first round of motos. I will take my generator and put it on charge after moto 1 , then see what its got left after moto 2, probably wont need any extra charge..I guess I will find out

[@phase3ute]

Stark was on half its full power. Why are people trying to toil it. It’s that much quicker than the gasoline bike it’s not even funny. And if your light years ahead of the gasoline you can’t ride to save your life

[@AndreyZzz]

Electric for the soul, take a ride! ☝ 4f for racing!👍👊

[@selimbelli6287]

Çok iyi makina KTM

[@Downhill_Nils]

Stark varg in swedish is strong wolf

[@Brue58]

They have nothing in my city I found a nice track from satellite right near my house but it's private property I think I'm going to go talk to the guy see If i can pay him to ride there for now, but it's so far from his house with an electric bike he probably won't even know I'm there over 200 ft from his house.

[@DTM45]

Very preciese

[@Brue58]

10,099 is it worth it I guess if you have the money to waste lol

[@fazianarifin1823]

10707

[@Queetsdog]

Does revving the electric motor like that make a difference when he is jumping? Think super cross or Moto will make it if they all went electric? 😂

[@kk1xx]

it makes the bike flip in air if you blip the throttle

[@evgenspasennikow3743]

Заебись покатались, как будто сам за рулем🎉🎉, лайк в поддержку

[@AndreyZzz]

Русский язык не позорь! Все можно написать по человечески!

[@TapioBlue]

Don't ride 40hp, use 80 all da way.

[@Highspeedtreehugger]

Straight vs gay

[@Railkers101]

realist thing I have seen today.

[@kev7co]

They both f4ck 😂

[@TheL046Kid]

Electric sux, period.

[@Queetsdog]

They suck or you just can’t afford it? Jk i don’t see why anyone would want to ride a motocross bike that doesn’t have the 2stroke smell filling the stadium or the thumping of the 4 strokes. Lol imagine going to a super cross with electric bikes just all quiet

[@biggestbudu5804]

Facts are they preform better

[@Bhosington]

It really depends on what kinda riding u wanna do

[@DailyDoseOfEthernet]

@@biggestbudu5804you wrong

[@CyberDopamine]

Cuz you can’t afford it

[@alexzanderrossington3126]

First

[@Dirtbikes_are_goated99]

Second

[@just_one_opinion]

Now go REFUEL and tell me how FAST the electric is HAHAHA ( I have a Zero FX and 40 minutes riding is not worth 8 hours charging)