KTM 450 vs Stark Varg

KTM 450 SXF vs Stark Varg, the fastest production dirt bike on the planet. Gas vs Electric. Which will have a faster lap time? Joshua does 3 laps on each bike back to back to find out. Hope you enjoy the video and thanks for watching.
Rider: Joshua Moore @jm_247
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Bikes in Video:
2023 KTM 450 SXF
2024 Stark Varg

[@joslinnick]

The stark vibrates a lot less, so that likely contributes to why he feels smoother and faster on it.

[@DailyDoseOfEthernet]

Oh yeah for sure

[@farbrornilsson9709]

And the fact it has 30hp more than the 450.

[@axnax1]

Great riding there. Consistent and fast. Really interesting back to back time comparisons. So useful.

[@Declan_conlan]

He’s back no way Anyone there insane vid props to Josh’s riding

[@da5863]

It’s interesting how history repeats itself, electric is to gas what a 4 stroke is to a 2 stroke, more rideable, smoother, and heavier. Only difference is electric and 2 strokes have more power potential

[@DownSouthEnduro]

I agree👌

[@ARDrummer]

Very cool comparison!

[@bwhaskell]

So rad seeing more and more people realize how sick electric is for motocross. I've been on E since 2018. Even modern 450's feel ancient after riding a Stark or Alta.

[@EnduroSchoolBend]

Gonna open more ohv parks and tracks possibly

[@user-cc9ky1pp9s]

What track is that ? Great video btw

[@mxengineer1]

Another cool video! Back to back comparisons are a great way to get a feel for the different characteristics of each bike. Cool you added lap times too! The Varg is such a different riding experience with instant acceleration and the simplicity of throttle and brake only!

[@alekseijablonski4055]

Whats the fox kit your wearing?

[@cody6824]

I’ll never get a dirtbike without a clutch screw that

[@farbrornilsson9709]

Ignorance is a bliss. I tried it and its so much better. Stark varg is too mcuh fun.

[@lifewithbreak4450]

That small difference could be way over 10+ seconds of time on a full mx track over a full race.

[@djchrissona]

so from what he says without saying it was the stark would use less body energy to controll as the trottle range is more responsive? one question no one asks them is what feels like if its less strenuious to ride.

[@jigglypuff4227]

Stark Varg is such a beast, I would love to see more people buying and riding it.

[@urcarrion4713]

Love seeing the Stark, like most of us I am fascinated by the Stark.

[@Christian-Outlaw]

Could someone please explain how this stark varg is not gas powered thanks alot for you help.

[@wayno23]

Those trees 😨

[@ENDfalse-tine]

Wow they just gotta fix the range problem on the electric ones.

[@Motomates-2fast4u]

Stark vargs are so cool but I still prefer the good old petrol powered dirt bike but anyway grate vid I love watching them don’t ever stop pls 😊

[@TeknaTronik]

Main issue is run time. For the riding I do the stark would not make sense.

[@Ozfreerider2504]

Have you actually ridden a stark ?

[@Motomates-2fast4u]

@@Ozfreerider2504 yes I have actually and don’t get me wrong I loved it but I still love the old petrol dirt bikes over the stark varg just cause they have been around longer and I don’t exactly trust the reliability with the stark varg but so far stark vargs are slowly crawling to the top of my list in favourite bikes

[@Ozfreerider2504]

@@Motomates-2fast4u well I can appreciate that you have ridden one and are making an informed comment . I’ve seen SO man people say how crap and stupid they are but they havnt ridden them . I’ve had mine for a few months and for me i it makes gas bikes feel so outdated and to be honest stupid to ride ! I rode a friends brand new 450 ktm back to back with it and the ktm vibrates like crazy and feels so goofy going back to changing gears . The game as been elevated so much that I’m not ever going back now

[@Motomates-2fast4u]

@@Ozfreerider2504 I can agree to that

[@301h.u.s.h3]

301Boyz here

[@nicvic2323]

sup

[@streakfighter]

I am fighting the ev wave tooth and nail! ; ) Very cool video

[@TheREALLibertyOrDeath]

Me too man. F the agenda

[@nicvic2323]

its different for bikes than cars, its cooler on bikes. I like the no shifting aspect@@TheREALLibertyOrDeath

[@marctobey5408]

Needs cards in the spokes or something. Just a wrong cheesy sound. Maybe a blue tooth speaker with real engine sound lol

[@Soeks77]

How tall are you? I’m 5’6

[@Jesus.Loves.You.7]

What type of a dirtbike do you guys recommend for a beginner rider?

[@jonwoodworker]

You first have to figure out what you're going to use it for. Are you going to motocross or trail ride, there is a difference. Then, just pick any inexpensive, well maintained bike.

[@jonwoodworker]

Can the Varg complete a moto? Can it complete a qualifier and a main. If not, it's junk.

[@Jesus.Loves.You.7]

Ok thank you for the information! 😊

[@kk1xx]

​@@jonwoodworkerit can

[@farbrornilsson9709]

Stark Varg is perfect for beginners. I have a Varg

[@7547JAMES]

Was he riding the stark full power?

[@Bones871]

i really wanted to start my own youtube channel where i post riding videos like these but i dont know what to start, so i came to you. do you have any advice?

[@squirrelhasnuts7368]

As always: aside from competition electric isn't a real option for years. Because you cannot change your batteries every half an hour of spirited ride. And recharging is way too slow or even way too expensive, considering fast charging is a real battery muncher.

[@facedays6441]

what is a cheap bike for a beginner?

[@christophersharp1884]

I recommend a Huffy or Mongoose

[@UNS4NE]

yz 125

[@doom2507]

Ktm 500exc very slow and cheap for starters

[@fullthrottlemadness2116]

MAICO 700 2 stroke enduro

[@lukewilkins1190]

Im the biggest petrol head but man these electric bikes are so fun ive got a couple talarias and they are so much fun dude

[@DerekHallman]

They offer a totally different riding experience for sure. Wicked fun!

[@DTM45]

Very preciese

[@usl.1244]

I want to watch six laps 😁

[@ryanmillsap8645]

Both killer bikes....but only one has a beating heart

[@Studentofgosset]

meaningless

[@BTTAAdventure]

Trabas❤❤❤

[@selimbelli6287]

Çok iyi makina KTM

[@steves2241]

The KTM can do that all day long, as long as you bring enough gas. You have to take the Stark Varg home to charge it after two hours of riding time.

[@cme982]

Not really. My buddies bring their inverter generators to the track and give it a full charge while they groom the track at lunch time. At Okechobee you get to ride MX1 or MX2 track for 15 mins per session and you have 30mins in between, that is more than enough time to get a decent charge with the 220v connect it comes with. These are guys that also bring their gas bikes for the fun as well. I ordered mine, but I'll keep my KTM 450 Factory Edition to rip as well.

[@mariabaynes6718]

stark hella good. ktm hella good

[@TheWakeupsheeple]

What track is this?

[@BootyMaster69396]

It’s a private property track I believe

[@TheWakeupsheeple]

@@BootyMaster69396 I want in! lol

[@JayTheFirst]

here in the first 3 minutes!

[@SmartiesMX]

Another Day aaaannoottthheerr Derek Hallman W (Day 42)

[@DOO718]

The bike is cool but you get what, 30 minutes? I only last about 15 so I would get 2 motos out of it! lol

[@philiprourke7732]

Everyone's mileage will vary. At the track I ride every weekend where it is deep ripped heavy loam, I can do2 x 20 min sessions ser at 55hp map, and the battery will run down to about 20%. At home on my natural terain hardpack track, on a 48 hp map, I easily get an hour and a half out of it till its down to about 20%. At another commercial track I sometimes ride, that is basically half tilled sandy loam and the other half concrete hard clay wih black rubber marks all over it and a lot of big floaty jumps, I recently did 2 x 20 min motos and still had 43 % battery left. Battery range depends on a lot of factors. I love the varg and my other bikes are gathering cob webs

[@DOO718]

​@philiprourke7732 that's awesome! I'm glad you like it, and thanks for the detailed info! If I had a few back yard tracks I would have one myself! But I live in the city so that dream is dead. I mostly ride track but occasionally I like to hit the trails so an ebike wouldn't work for me. I guess if I brought a generator to the track it might work.. how long would it take for a portable generator to charge it up for another moto? Or maybe I could let my trucks altinator charge it up with a DC-DC charger. Hmm now you got me thinking 🤔

[@philiprourke7732]

@@DOO718 I only have a 2..2 kv inverter generator, a cheap one and not very powerful, but I take it to the track with me now because Ive only been riding the Varg lately. It can only charge the varg at 4 amps. The charge rate is adjustable in the app between 2 and 10 amps, with 10amps obvioubeing a faster charge. But at 4 amps charging from my little generator I go ride for 15 to 17 mins with a full battery on the deep lam track, come back with about 71% battery, put it on the gen until mynext sessin is up and thats about 50 mins or so and its back up to around 93% go out and do it again...iff I keep doing that I get about 4 sessins in and Im done and the battery is still in the 60% range..so I really dont need to do that..could probably get my 4 sessions in for the day with one charge of about 50 mins duration. At that other track I mentioned, I would probably get an hourofriding time and Id be done without needing to charge through the day..as I saud , everyones milage will vary. I got a test ride on a Varg at my local heavy loam track maybe 6 months b4 mine arrived. It was set at 52 hp, I rode for 14 mins and used 37% battery, was thinking range was likely gonna be an issue for me at this track..Im a track worker there and ride there pretty much every time its open. Just b4 my bike arrived, stark announced an update that they were claiming was gonna add an extra 10 to 15 % battery range on average. When my bike came, I installed the update b4 riding it , so apart from that 1 test on the demo bike, I have no base of reference. But...I remember I used 37% in 14 mins at 52 hp..I made a note of that. On that same track, Im using around 30% in about 16 mins at 55 hp and running a much faster pace that it was possible for me to do on that quick demo test. So it does seem that it does last longerafter that update. This weekend Im racing it for the first time in mx1 c class..3 x 15 min + 1 motos , I will be locked in at 60hp in the race mode on the app....its a hard pack track after the first round of motos. I will take my generator and put it on charge after moto 1 , then see what its got left after moto 2, probably wont need any extra charge..I guess I will find out

[@Downhill_Nils]

Stark varg in swedish is strong wolf

[@AndreyZzz]

Electric for the soul, take a ride! ☝ 4f for racing!👍👊

[@KedvesvagyokxD]

gimme the ktm if u like stark varg more 😭

[@Dirtbikes_are_goated99]

Second

[@evgenspasennikow3743]

Заебись покатались, как будто сам за рулем🎉🎉, лайк в поддержку

[@AndreyZzz]

Русский язык не позорь! Все можно написать по человечески!

[@adrianjackson4561]

Does revving the electric motor like that make a difference when he is jumping? Think super cross or Moto will make it if they all went electric? 😂

[@kk1xx]

it makes the bike flip in air if you blip the throttle

[@TapioBlue]

Don't ride 40hp, use 80 all da way.

[@alexzanderrossington3126]

First

[@TheL046Kid]

Electric sux, period.

[@adrianjackson4561]

They suck or you just can’t afford it? Jk i don’t see why anyone would want to ride a motocross bike that doesn’t have the 2stroke smell filling the stadium or the thumping of the 4 strokes. Lol imagine going to a super cross with electric bikes just all quiet

[@biggestbudu5804]

Facts are they preform better

[@DJ_DONUT]

It really depends on what kinda riding u wanna do

[@DailyDoseOfEthernet]

@@biggestbudu5804you wrong

[@CyberDopamine]

Cuz you can’t afford it

[@Highspeedtreehugger]

Straight vs gay

[@philiprourke7732]

Interesting video, he is obviously a very good rider. I think that good riders are closer in speed between a varg and their combustion bike than slow riders are. The Varg is so much easier to ride than other bikes and it makes less skilled riders faster, sometimes a lot faster. I am exactly that rider..I feel more in control on the varg and ride with much better body position and stand more, because I don't have to use my clumsy feet for anything, I have the hand brake and that works so much better for je than I can even describe. Funnily enough, as well as my Varg, I also have a KTM 450sxf, bought it brand new about 2 months b4 my Varg arrived, thinking I would just enjoy having another differnt bike and I haven't had a 450 for some time now. I also have a KTM 300sx, a YZ 250 a YZ 125.actually 2 of them...a 2013 YZ 250f and a fully built and set up KTM super mini. I have st8ll not ridden the new 450, in fact Ive never even started it. I mainly ride 2 sessions on my ktm 300 then 2 on my Varg, but I just can't do it anymore, I have to force myself to ride the ktm and its just not fun! The problem is that I can plant the balls of my feet on the pegs, toies pointed in and correct body position on the Varg and do it easily! I just can't do that on my 300, shifting and braking are a nightmare now unless I just give up on ever trying to stay on my toes and just ride on my arches all the time...but the Varg has really woken me up to how bad that is. Im too old to be bothered putting the work to make my feet woork the way good riders do these days..it's just so much easier to just ride the Varg and enjoy the benefits of no shifting and no foot brake

[@larryhanes8527]

And when you’re 70 and have no feeling in your feet….. you buy a Stark and keep on MXing!

[@philiprourke7732]

@@larryhanes8527 yeah exactly...I will be 60 in a little over a year, and this bike will certainly keep me out there on the track having fun for years to come. My ankles are rubbish...this bike negates the problem in avery big way

[@larryhanes8527]

@@philiprourke7732check out the ankle saver foot pegs. Two torn Achilles tendons pushing me to try them.