KTM motorcycles vs Harley Davidson motorcycles-drag racing

[@tomtourand4531]

Hi, I am Tom and I am the rider on the KTM 1190R that is in the vid. I have been very entertained by the comments on this vid and thought I should provide some facts. There is another guy on a non R racing in the 5th race in this vid. My KTM Adventure 1190R is a 2014 and weighed almost 500lbs on the track scale. If I removed racking and crash bars and stuff it might get to 470ish. I weigh 215 in my birthday suit so around 240 suited to race. The front tire is a Continental TKC 80 and the back is a TKC 70. If you look closely you will see that the front of the bike is strapped to lower it. The bike has a Yosh pipe, power commander and Rottweiler air cleaner. My best pass was a 11.10 at 124mph. I typically 60 ft in the high 1.60's. The vid shows bracket racing where each rider provides a dial in to the hundredth of a second and the slower rider gets a head start by the difference of the dial ins. I am no Chris Birch but have taken the bike on some reasonably challenging off road sections including steep creek bed's with baby head boulders on the ground. The weekend immediately before this race I rode offroad to the Northwest corner of Vancouver Island. The weekend after I rode in the KTM Adventure Rallye in SilverStar Mountain in Kamloops...all without major changes. My team won the Ready to Race award for being the fastest group on the A loop (offroad). I don't hate any make of motorcycle and love them all and the first race was against my good friend on his Victory. This has been the most amazing motorcycle I have owned (out of over 30) but sadly I have sold it. Hoping to get one of the first KTM Adventure 790's to come to Canada!

[@Liyingbemo]

good job mate

[@valentinorossi2444]

I think you did not get a sound sleep on that night.. Not even a single time you got a good start

[@tomtourand4531]

From the paragraph above.."The vid shows bracket racing where each rider provides a dial in to the hundredth of a second and the slower rider gets a head start by the difference of the dial ins." BTW....Rossi hasn't had a good start against Marquez in the last 3 years.

[@RedEmpire36]

I'm waiting for the T7 or KTM 790. We'll see how pricing is on those two.

[@fattymcgee123]

Nice write up, Tom, I wish people wouldn't just spout off on things they know little about. Keep riding on.

[@MarcS4R]

Harley Davidson, turning fuel into noise since 1903 :)

[@johnjacob688]

12 seconds of noise is some pretty fast noise.

[@DobermansRock]

Anything under 13 is fast. Anything under 10 is really fast and anything under 7 is more money than I will ever have.

[@pwntwtf]

Always that one guy who is insecure about his own bike...

[@flyingdog1498]

But they still can not beat a Dirt Bike. Black powder turning fuel into noise since 1001.

[@mdemers767]

Loud pipes save lives. ;)

[@videotmy]

It just amazes me at how riders slam other bikes. Are we all a bunch of kids in a sandbox? As long as we’re having fun, isn’t that the point. I have both a Harley and a KTM 1190. They are both great bikes in their own right. My Harley gives me the feeling of driving an old muscle car. Might not be the fastest out there, but it’s far from slow and most importantly it makes me smile. My KTM is like a sharp knife in that it’s edgy and will slice up everything in its path. Both are great bikes in their respective ways.

[@7316bobe]

Slam, kids, sandbox, sharp knife, old muscle and edgy slice up.

[@biggerchris20]

It's not the bikes, it's the HD owners, they are arrogant as hell!! so seeing them lose or broke down on the side of the road is kinda like a type justice, you don't see this type of venomous reactions towards no other manufacturers. Its brutal but it's also kinda deserved. I'm a Dodge guy but this new breed of Dodge owners are getting just as bad as the Harley guys, the owners can make other people despise a brand.

[@7316bobe]

@@biggerchris20 Must agree Harley BAD, Yamaha GOOD.

[@dougfielding8215]

I dont see any Harley owners putting down KTM riders like you just did with Harley riders.

[@7316bobe]

@@dougfielding8215 Well ya all see Doug that if you constantly keep saying that you have the best motorcycle in the world and if you do not ride one of these bikes then you are NOT a MAN like Harley-Davidson do then people will find ways to test what is being told to them. If they find that the Harley-Davidson motorcycle can not even out perform a small bike like the KTM then they may start to think that what they have been told by Harley-Davidson may just be a crock of expensive shit ya all know what I am talking about here. I ride with guys and some have HD bikes and I can tell you now that most any other motorcycle is better than a Harley-Davidson. When they get over "owning" a HD they sell them at a BIG discount and buy another brand of bike. They feel stupid that the HD sales people conned them out of so much money just to own a motorcycle. They are paying these shit boxes off for years when other riders have payed a third of what a Harley costs for a better motorcycle, have payed it off and are riding free. So Doug Feilding don't bullshit to me as I know what is going on here. Dreamers buy Harley-Davidson's but a dream can not be sustained when reality sets in. Ever wonder why Harley riders sit apart from everybody else at the hotel, well it's so they can wank among themselves because the other riders there are sure not interested in talking Harley-Davidson to anybody.

[@WindFair]

Look at the Torque on the harleys in the beginnings and then the horsepower from KTM hits in when he has gotten speed

[@albinocaveslug]

Staggered lights.

[@stimpsonjcat26]

Also the KTM has a shorter wheel base so it tries to wheelie on take off.

[@predsam]

The KTM actually has much higher torque. Check the numbers

[@randysixt987]

Also hard to speculate with all the riders being novices.

[@tomtraynor5384]

Nope. Can't keep front down on a high POWERED, high center of gravity bike like that KTM. It's got 102 foot-pounds torque you know. Shifting hard to third gear results in stand-up (no clutch but needed) wheelies with that KTM. Owned three. he is feathering the throttle out of the hole to keep the from wheel close.

[@davesivirn2283]

I always get a chuckle when a harley is making a crap load of noise and barely accelerating. If all you want to do is go in a straight line down the freeway get poor millage and spend lots of time in the shop talking to other harley owners, then go get one. But if you really want to have some fun I suggest you buy a motorcycle. Its a great experience.

[@fiveowaf454]

They are fitted with a volume control not a throttle

[@rossie273]

I owned a Harley (only once) and was blown away at the traffic lights by .... a 100cc kawasaki trail bike . I acted like it had broken down ...... again

[@adenlamb9916]

Spend more time polishing the chrome than sat in the seat!

[@YeeeewHawwwww]

They are slow stock, i had to spend 8k for cam , heads, pistons, tune and exhaust. I would eat that KTM's ass up.

[@adenlamb9916]

Spend 8K on the KTM and it would eat the harleys ass even more

[@Pantimoto]

Slaying Harley's on off-road tires 🤣🤣🤣

[@albertprasetyo6846]

😂😂😂

[@scottcupp8129]

I like to fuck with Harleys. I have an old Honda CR500. It eats them like I eat chicken legs.

[@prateeksingh8025]

@@scottcupp8129 bro harley is harley ❤️❤️❤️

[@mr.b3168]

But then you ride a KTM.

[@gearheadcustomgarage4058]

Tom, on his KTM was on fire that weekend... took home a few trophies.

[@gearheadcustomgarage4058]

Tom is a well seasoned vet on the drag strip and also does a lot of off road riding too. I'm pretty sure it's a 1st gear launch and he's very ok with a wheelie now and then :) In my limited experience I've never known the second gear launch to work better than just figuring the 1-2 shift out with rpm / clutch control and obvious practice.

[@Speedstack21]

Why can't Harley riders just admit that they ride for the looks and sound. Pro drag Harley engines are not even close to being a stock Harley motor, so to brag that Harleys are fast on the quarter mile is a moot point.

[@flyingdog1498]

OH Yea, A Harley always wind at the all Harley Drags, Explain that one. They got their asses handed to them by a dirt bike.

[@whobru]

my bad, the first is a victory, but he did beat a v rod harley which is pretty good.

[@greg657]

Bruce T I was surprised and somewhat disappointed in the v rods performance. Not against the ktm but against the other Harleys ( comparing times of course)

[@TraceyAllen]

Greg a stock 1250 vrod with exhaust and a tune will go right at a 10 second quarter if the person riding it knows how to run it. The rest of these bikes on here have a serious power to weight ratio disadvantage. Harleys are heavy. That sportster is 500 lbs dry. That KTM is maybe 400lbs?

[@MC2RD]

I ride a harley. And its for the looks, sound, and also the soul and the feeling it gives me. You know that KTM feeling? Yeah, no such thing. These Harley‘s are not 1/4, 1/2 mile meaningless drag bikes! They have much more to offer. They are 50,000 mile cruisers, meant to clarify a ride, not to blur it. KTM is a 0-120mph in 12 secs offroad adventure bike, which, to me, is the epitome of overkill. But hey, if you want to win a drag race, nothing better than racing against a bike that isn’t designed to win a race. Now take that to a dirt oval, and its a different story with those flat track harleys.

[@kingearl2596]

They wanted to show how fast Harley is - but we see that KTM is faster. By the way: In Europe only old fat guys drive Harleys - and they drive always slowly because of the high repair costs.

[@mdemers767]

That's the way people drive Mercedes and Bimmers here in the U.S.

[@olivierdeclementi-atheryl]

Right, I ride Harley since i'm 23, compare my body fat and yours anytime. :D

[@stevomcsteve9492]

You don't drive a bike, you ride a bike...smh...

[@vinceking7878]

@@mdemers767 BMW drivers here are awful and are very pushy

[@pabloguevara5438]

By the way, I'm from Barcelona (Europe, in case you don't know..) and I see young people riding Harley every fucking day, and many times a day... This myth that Harley are only appreciated and owned by elders is so stupid and untrue

[@harrylime5147]

I roadraced motorcycles years ago. I was in a 24 hour race with three other riders we shared a 750 Honda. Also entered in that race was a factory prepped harley. The first machine to expire was the Harley Davidson. I just strolled past their pit while the mechanics were evaluating the damage on the Harley. I had never seen a motorcycle engine that looked like it exploded . I could see the crankshaft and the rod for the front cylinder thru a hole about as big as a grapefruit in that engine. It did not even last half an hour.. that was a factory effort at Nelson ledges during One of their 24 Hour roadraces they held there every June... Just a footnote, The Ducati that won the 24 hour race that year, also won the 24 hour race the previous year. The only work that was done on the Ducati between the two 24hr races a year apart,was an oil change I still can’t rationalize why anyone would buy a Harley.. I mean it defies logic

[@theblackdukester4699]

Despite of Late start on the KTM, it easily catches The Harley 😂😂

[@J_CART3R]

Adventure Bike and still won

[@flyingdog1498]

With a knobby tire.

[@stimpsonjcat26]

I think the new africa twin would be a closer match for a harley. Probably still win though.

[@DaEVOthefreak]

@@stimpsonjcat26 no, the AT have had not enough power to beat them.

[@stimpsonjcat26]

@@DaEVOthefreak AT and a stock harley would actually be close. A 1690cc stock harley puts out around 85hp and and 108 ft/lb of torque. The AT isn't far behind with pretty much the same HP bt only 67 ft/lb of torque. While the AT is down on torque it weighs a lot less.

[@DaEVOthefreak]

@@stimpsonjcat26yes, u r Right. but u dont understand the fact of Position of mass centre. Ride an adv Bike on a 1/4 mile Track, u have to eliminate wheelys the first half of the track. You can just give full power at a Speed Speed over 60 miles, and till that the harly are many feets away… you Need many extra power to increase this in the second half of the track.

[@samblack5313]

Imagine bringing your shiny, exceptionally overpriced water pump down to the only place it has a chance, a straight line, and just getting dusted again and again by a dirt bike... A harley is as much a motorcycle as a golf buggy is a car.

[@jimmyflowers6597]

S L they're overpriced just so trashy people don't buy them I can see it's worked for you

[@jwpalmer24]

Jimmy Flowers the only trashy slobs I see on motorcycles are the ones riding harleys! Most guys that ride ktm adventure bikes have thousands of dollars of gear on and are most the time nice and courteous, and if you weren't paying attention, you would never know they were ever there. However, hardley dbags are always loud, obnoxious, idiotic and never courteous. Definition of trashy.......

[@GSXR1300X]

I'm curious to know how many HD's actually have over 100k miles and still run (without being rebuilt). I know an hd rider that purchased a 36k street glide but won't ride it unless there is less than 10% chance of rain, temp is 72 to 78 degrees, and very low pollen count (unfortunately not a joke). On the other hand, I do have a couple of hd friends that do actually ride, they average 20+k per year on their machines and a few busa friends that have well over 200k on their bikes. I only have 102k on my 01 (not rebuilt/normal maint).

[@jamesbecker3203]

Lol burn

[@gdblackthorn4137]

S L, it has been this way since I was a kid! Some dirt bikes are incredibly fast. The two stroke bikes used to cream the four strokes almost every time in short races.

[@istra70]

KTM racing against posers on lawnmowers ..... that is not fair ..... Amazing to see Harley's engine didn't fall apart on such a long distance of 1/4 mile.....

[@threehemis5566]

That because it's not an HD it's a Victory.

[@ler-oyjenkins4165]

@mld this isn't racing. They're wearing jean's n shit

[@donniebaker5984]

istra70 show me a KTM that has won a grand national championship -1 against a XR750 Harley Davidson...it has not happened yet ..

[@donniebaker5984]

mld that just shows what you know coming from a millennial ! KTM won the singles division of the grand national championship-2 last year ...but in the twins KTM lost against Harley in the GNC-1...seems what you said about the oldest racing in america shows us all how ignorant you are

[@donniebaker5984]

mld the topic is one of the oldest American motorcycle racing you millennials don't have a clue about from its beginning to now because you have never done any type of sanctioned national competitive motorcycling ..and now your double talk is trying to tell hime who has done several types of motorcycle racing what it is I have already been there and done ...oops you did know that did you . I don't have to tell you ..you already know where you can take your make believe world don't you

[@mikebadcossi2583]

F.... Harley.....for 50 Races you need 50 Harleys but only 1 KTM....

[@jimmyflowers6597]

Mike Badcossi 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

[@markvisconti3491]

Mike Badcossi Indian is killing Harley at circle track . HD can't compete and thatbway funny how Travis Pastrana broke Evils record on an Indian lmao

[@cynoshifter]

so far your ktm has never won a gnc-1 championship racing against harley and so far your ktm has never won a NHRA u,s, national championship against harley as harley owns the pro stock divison for the last 10 years in a row harley is the fastest motorcycle in the world with 10 championships in row pro stock drag bike also i dont see any ktm setting any land speed records but there is a giri who owns the land speed record at 208 mph at 5280 feet elevation in her class so ya you only need one ktm that wins so far i see only a loser

[@petitflocon647]

Because the peopke on Harley aren't single, but the guy on KTM is fucking alone 😂

[@tomtourand4531]

@@petitflocon647 lol....actually married almost 30 years. children and grand children.....

[@PappyfromtheKeys]

Ahhh....Harley Davidson....Only bike built that has the unique ability to turn gasoline into noise without the side benefit of horsepower!

[@cynoshifter]

10 straight pro stock nhra champ hd looking for #11

[@tnelliott2447]

Jon Weddle hey loser That’s because the other manufacturers are limited to engine size and carburetor While the Hardly go Davidson competes with a bigger engine and fuel injectors Not hard to win when the Hardly is partner with the NHRA lol And all the racing out their they can only win when the have a advantage lol Meanwhile all the brains dead fat fucks are on the sidelines cheering yee haw That not bad in over a 100 years they can win something handed to them It’s like getting a forth place medal in the Olympics when there is only four people racing The biggest pukes on the planet are hardly owners

[@mariogoren]

KTM Rider is on Lorazepam !

[@mcmc8496]

Mario Goren Lorazapam,Diazapam and Alprazolam with a Jim Beam chaser... Actually I believe that he just liked to make his victories as dramatic as possible by chasing them down for the win. It's about the only way to make bikes running these ET'S look dramatic.

[@tomtourand4531]

I wish I had the skill to be a pro off road racer, however I have a lot of experience in drag, circuit, and enduro. Two of my riding buddies where just chosen to represent Canada at KTM's 2019 Merzouga Rally.

[@debajyoti3772]

Guys harly isn't for racing.... it's for touring comfortable ly .....and for looks and sounds...and you can't find this feeling in your racing bike

[@biswanathmohapatra1836]

Smartphones Vs Telephones 🤣

[@dogchanneldoglover5506]

I hate plastic bike

[@vekash485]

Nokia 1100 vs iphone

[@pradippradhan4883]

Haha indeed ☺

[@TheBastion87]

Android vs iphone

[@amcwtf368]

@@dogchanneldoglover5506 haha me too

[@ystms50]

I'm sorry but Harleys have never been about performance. I don't know why Harley owners think they have something to prove. It's no contest. The Japanese just know what they're doing when it comes to designing motorcycles. It's historically written. After we won WW2 we didn't allow them to design airplanes so most of there brightest engineers went from airplanes to motorcycles. That's why most manufacturers don't have an answer for the big top 4. Ducati has come close but Harleys will never match up. They don't want to anyway. They're more about style than form or function.

[@Jakalwarrior]

Harleys are great for what they are. Vintage designed motors that are reliable and make passable power. You cant expect that to keep up with a modern liquid cooled, high compression, high RPM motor. Its like winning the field day race at the retirement home.

[@johnjacob688]

This guy gets it.

[@mdemers767]

You can't beat the styling of a classic V-twin though.

[@RedEmpire36]

@@mdemers767 I'm not over 40 so the Harley styling does absolutely nothing for me. KTM is butt ugly though, there is no doubt about that. Their dirtbikes, especially six days editions, are beautiful. New 790 looks horrendous, which sucks because I could use an everyday commuter that can hit the trails on the weekend. I care more about performance than fashion but good god are they ugly.

[@AntagonisticAltruist]

I like how that lady throws both her elbows up with every gear shift lol. Good run!

[@phoghat]

so sad, the KTM is playing them

[@johndunn9819]

that KTM has the best brakes in town, wicked motor, very effective frame and handling. it will pound out sand, dirt roads, eat up streets and highways and all. the HD comes in different colors and has different pipes.

[@artistartpainting]

Ready to Race

[@spartanboss4189]

That high Torque really helped push that Harley off the line!!

[@thebabbler8867]

The Harley jumped the gun and still lost. KTM makes some good bikes!!!

[@dorelyntanay4453]

Harley is iron..and ktm is plastic

[@prateeksingh8025]

@@dorelyntanay4453 yes bro you are true harley is diamond 💎 and ktm is iron

[@johnlane3437]

I may be wrong of course but I doubt the Harley (or Victory ) riders expected to win, they know they're running against a faster bike. My bet is they are just having fun and really just wanted to see how fast they could get their bikes down the track. If so , I say good for them , enjoy the ride you have.

[@franklinculbreth6595]

Only thing a Harley Davidson can win at is being the most expensive to repair. A Harley couldn't beat a snail across the finish line.

[@santanudhon5633]

Franklin Culbreth if u r referring ktm as a snail then damn u r a big jack ass

[@arkaprestige8051]

A race should be equal on both side, why don't KTM versus Ducati multistrada or mv Agusta? And, Harley should go for Honda gold wing or others big tourer?

[@pauld.b7129]

If you can't fix a Harley yourself, might as well not own a motorcycle. Not much made that is simpler than a HD except maybe an old Honda single.

[@hansolo9674]

Man what a bunch of hater's... Why can't bikers be more like Skateboarders, and just be glad your on a stick no matter what kind.. I have a Harley FXR, and a Ninja Z10, and love both for different reasons..Whatever.. Hate on hater's...

[@roybatty-]

Why would you try to race a sofa davidson?

[@abhishekdev258]

Roy Batty 😂😂

[@johnrife7134]

Everytime Harley tried to innovative something new it's customer base would reject it. It's why the company is in so much trouble. They should have supposed Buell.

[@paulr3731]

Harley = a barcalounger with loud pipes and chrome

[@ricecakeFTW]

Oh my gawd this is so awesome!!!! One KTM adv bike slaying all those Harley's.

[@dancosidabelhaa8694]

Wow😲😲😲...KTM 👍👍👍 IS THE BEST...

[@scottmay5740]

Don't know why but I love watching Harley's lose 😂😂👍

[@scottcupp8129]

Yeah me too. They are noisy. That's about it. Slow AF. That KTM is freakin QUICK!

[@prateeksingh8025]

@@scottcupp8129 you all are stupid harley is cruising bike and ktm is racing bike 😏

[@scottcupp8129]

@@prateeksingh8025 I know the difference. Word of advice, use proper punctuation when speaking to me or anyone else for that matter. It will make you look a bit smarter. Ever heard of a run on sentence? Of course not!

[@prateeksingh8025]

@@scottcupp8129 ok bro well i am simple telling that the harley davidson is cruising bike so it have too loud and otherwise ktm is racing bike . Ok bro ❤️❤️ . I hope you will understand .

[@No-vm7go]

Harley is a joke. ....and not a good one.

[@adventuremonkey711]

KTM rules! I'm also waiting for the new 790 to arrive.

[@stevek8829]

Those Harleys are doing low to mid twelves. That's quicker than most classic muscle cars and plenty for a relaxing cruiser.

[@dh-flies]

I have a Harley (Roadking) and a KTM 1290 SA. The KTM is the funnest bike I've ever owned. And at 62 years old I've owned a bunch. It is scary fast. 160HP on a 450 lb scooter makes for fast times.....Road it up Pikes Peak last summer and all over in Moab,UT. Amazing motorcycle!

[@Sykostic]

Why are Harley riders subjecting themselves to this humiliation again and again?

[@mattg5898]

Haha I love a good Harley Davidson take down. Fine bikes let's just stop pretending that they are quick

[@donniebaker5984]

Matt G Vance and Hines Harley Davidson screamin eagle NHRA Pro Stock Drag Racing Team own the NHRA Pro Stock Drag Bike world championships AGAINST suzuki Hayabusa .for ten consecutive years in a row ...10 years is long enough if any elsewhere are going to were are all the fast bikes ...were are the nhra pro stock bikes faster than Harley ..ten years have gone by ..no one has taken the NHRA PRO STOCK DRAG BIKE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP AWAY FROM HARLEY DAVIDSON .. IF. YOU. CANT. RUN. WITH. THE. BIG. DOGS. ' IT MIGHT BE BEST IF YOU STAY ON. YOUR. PORCH . and quit all that whinning ...put a pad on it get some anti-butt hurt . .

[@JustBorgi]

That ktm is on steroids

[@flyingdog1498]

No, stone cold stock. Probably had a Knobby tire too.

[@RChero1010]

Had a knobby dual sport front tire, but it looked like street rubber on the back, probably since burnouts absolutely shred knobbies, and to a lesser extent, dual sport tires.

[@jamesbecker3203]

No Harley's just suck that bad

[@ben079329]

Harleys are just awesomely slow

[@boombeachnoob3642]

I clearly observed the video and found that KTM guy intentionally not starting the lap....in time.... So, Harley is winning.... Adding up its power too.... That's a great power although.........

[@elvulch]

V-Twin vs. V-Twin.... just shows what a piece of crap the Harley is...

[@Erik.Lundberg]

Harley make good bikes if you prefer low end torqe before weight and horsepower.

[@elvulch]

Erik Lundberg .... Harley doesn’t make anything good. It’s way over priced, low-quality, obsolete designs, and they’re pieces of unbalanced- vibrating crap.

[@Erik.Lundberg]

Well, the Road King did very well in Motorrads 50 000 km test. Better than any Honda, Ducati, BMW etc. How do you explain that? www.motorradonline.de/motorrad-dauertest/tabelle-motorrad-dauertest-wertung.298481.html

[@vibhorsharmax]

Ktm is foh kids, no ride quality engine vibrates.parts ar cheap

[@elvulch]

wiLLy wONka ... That just shows you’ve never owned a KTM. Everything you just said describes a Harley perfectly.

[@gregshort2258]

All you geniuses need to know that was a victory not a harley out of the gate first. Ride what you like quit bashing other people's ride

[@3asyrider75]

receo11 you a a moron. It’s a Victory Kingpin. Ignorant people see any Vtwin and say it’s a Harley. Derp

[@marklokken1378]

Buy a HD if you want resale value. I have no idea why ppl go ape over HD. In road racing HD had to have its own class. Anything could beat it

[@fly_to_the_stars_with_me]

nobody bashed any bike. this video just showed how slow cruisers are.

[@dennisolsen4507]

But why would you bring a knife to a gun fight?

[@markvisconti3491]

Greg Short yeah it was a Victory , faster times than the other HDs. Harleys went to shit since they got China involved

[@arkaprestige8051]

Harley should go versus Honda gold wing, or others big tourer. This sport tourer KTM need to go versus Ducati multistrada or mv Agusta. Race should be equal on both side.

[@donniebaker5984]

Arka Prestige may be you should open your eyes and take a look ..st bonniville salt flats the is a class open to baggers Hondas and Harley .. check out Cris rives worlds fastest bagger at over. 200 and there is a shoot. out every year. Honda Goldwing vs road king and is pretty much both bikes spec and handling ...except the Honda cost $30,000 dollar and the Harley road king cost $26,000

[@einar8019]

the ktm is a adventurebike aka overwheigt dirtbike and not a sports tourer, ktm has a sports tourer and that is the ktm 1290 super duke gt

[@donniebaker5984]

einar KTM=killed too many

[@einar8019]

@@donniebaker5984 ktm=killer trail machine

[@einar8019]

@@donniebaker5984 cant also forget that ktm has won the dakar rally for 18 years consectuvely.

[@sauljewhebrewberg3147]

That first race is a Victory not a Harley, but that being said a Victory produces more torque and horsepower than a Harley Davidson.

[@flyingdog1498]

My ZTR mower produces more power than a Harley.

[@Heavywall70]

Victory doesn’t produce anything now Lasted what, 25 years. Compare that to 115 years and counting. Most ironic name on a motorcycle

[@sauljewhebrewberg3147]

That is true, no one can beat Harley Davidson when it comes to the big V-twin air cooled push-rod engine.

[@flyingdog1498]

No one can beat Briggs and Stratton for small Lawn mower engines, wanna race?

[@fattymcgee123]

@@sauljewhebrewberg3147 are you referring to pro stock, where Harley's have different rules applied to them than Suzuki's, therefore giving them a fighting chance? Then yes. Level the playing field and watch the Suzuki's dominate again.

[@attilafitzpatrick6881]

Hardly Ableson.

[@mabrokenleg2388]

attila fitzpatrick never heard that one, great pun😅😅!

[@osamabinladen824]

Is that an insult?

[@sportify4849]

I thought the sportster did do very well considering it has even less cui size, torque and horsepower than the other bikes. What was it a 1200ccm or 883ccm displacement?

[@shabibbabing5825]

Harleys need to stick to racing other Harleys.

[@HankDCFC]

Harley Davidson the antithesis of everything that makes a motorcycle cool.

[@billypilgrim7838]

HankDCFC said the guy who never rode one

[@rufus1346]

That's a matter of opinion. I would say the exact opposite. You would probably hate the bikes I like but that's ok. If you want to pay over the odds for a bike then that's up to you. Bet if you had the exact same bike but without the Harley badge you wouldn't pay half the money for it. If you even have a bike that is:)

[@HankDCFC]

@@billypilgrim7838 Yes I have ridden one and I can honestly say you could have more fun on the average moped because the moped would actually corner properly.

[@greg69rr89]

Harley's aren't meant for racing nor are they meant for canyon carving. They are meant for, well.... cruising.

[@jamesbecker3203]

At 2:AM

[@MerlinMan1579]

And the moral of the story is you don't buy a Harley for performance.

[@raymanvonmetal8559]

KTM!!!

[@doner79]

never won!

[@pajo122]

cuz they all started like pussyes

[@davidalexispr]

KTM won every single pass.... only one lost

[@TucsonDude]

Why the hate for HD? I don't ride them (BWM rider here), but I wouldn't mind.

[@ben1200n]

First race is a Victory Jackpot or Vegas

[@BurntCarnage]

I thought it was a Honda Fury/Stateline. You might be right.

[@alexanderhopkins2807]

Victory!

[@strafe777]

What’s the difference between a Harley rider and a vacuum cleaner? The location of the dirt bag.

[@tnelliott2447]

strafe777 haha

[@welderlogic1806]

I know some millionaire's who ride Harleys. Don't comment about shit you don't know.

[@strafe777]

Adam Schmahl So they can afford lot of fringe hanging from the bars then lmao

[@donniebaker5984]

strafe777 what do you call a mental midget millennial fudge packer ? a maroon = the cross between a mushroom kept in the dark an fed bullshit eat en by a millennial

[@donniebaker5984]

1299 DUCKIE looky there "y" it's ducky do Little ..you still alive ..I bet you would stick your head in a fire if a millennial says you'll see hell

[@EstebanAGaido]

Admit it for once: Harley Davidson are cruisers... not race bikes. A KTM Adventure made for touring... kick their asses.

[@josephravenagting9898]

Esteban A. Gaido exactly haha

[@johnjacob688]

Neither of them are race bikes yet there they both are racing.

[@EstebanAGaido]

John Jacob but KTM... is READY TO RACE. Booom!

[@matthewjones7935]

I love how people think they need big burnouts on street tires

[@randomasiankid017]

Theyre heating their tires to get better grip qhen they launch it you dumb fuck

[@amandeepsingh2064]

Harley Davidson is a Lion not cheetah power and style not quicker but still king of motorcycles

[@bonebone2010]

So true

[@donniebaker5984]

Mark Maldonado you might add they are the fastest with ten championships in a row NHRA PRO STOCK DRAG BIKES

[@luffmanlights6015]

King of noise

[@JuanRamirez-gu7dh]

harleys make noise not power. That's why you see old dirty men with grimy beards, half helmets, with some sunglasses riding harleys. Overpriced machines. But its "murica".

[@rahdobrack173]

It's strong reason why tencent didn't put harley davidson on PUBG 🤣👍

[@saxon1177]

Even the supposed bad-ass 9Evolution) of Hardley's got it's ass whooped. There's something real satisfying about this video.

[@bijoypaul7138]

It's not a drag race it's a Harley show

[@roybatty-]

This is not fair, Harleys should be racing against similar power motorcycles like Urals and Royal Enfields.

[@nerbon7164]

these chopper guys know how to get off the line. lmao

[@davesracingchannel9261]

BoxyLuxury would you please give my racing channel a Subscribe I have plenty of cool videos including motorcycles racing on ice

[@seanbutler2291]

BoxyLuxury what chopper for 1? And for 2 most of them did a wheelie which is not good

[@603mike]

The lights were staggered

[@flyingdog1498]

Harleys make a lot of torque at low RPMs but low RPMs do not make horsepower and horsepower makes speed.

[@corombb]

Low-down torque does no good at high RPMs.

[@ES44AC-2]

The KTM 1290 is a beast! With the TC off it's a hand full. With a few mods like the Rottweiler intake and some other stuff its even more of a hand full.

[@adventurous63]

I love watching Harleys LOSE !

[@prateeksingh8025]

So you are stupid because harley is a cruising bike and ktm is racing bike 😏

[@jacobdad2742]

I think the girl had the best run out of all the Harley riders.

[@swamin764]

Both the bikes are great..... love these

[@davesracingchannel9261]

Swami N would you please give my racing channel a Subscribe

[@swamin764]

Daves Racing Channel sure buddy

[@MrMambott]

Best statement on here ,,, any bike is a good bike and certainly better than No bike at all , as long as your riding is the main thing : ) Nice one Swami N

[@carusmike]

sound like wet farts to me, both of them

[@downwiththegreensmanj7240]

Thank you man we don't need this bikist in the Community we both are on two wheels

[@dukektm7324]

KTM is the BEAST OF ALL

[@jerzykowalski2520]

So the wife and I are supposed to put on astronaut helmets and go cruisin' on a butt- ugly, high rpm KTM because it finishes the quarter mile a few feet faster than my Harley? I don't think so. The KTM is not for cruisin' and it's really big and heavy for a dirt bike. And their Super Duke is a naked sport bike, also not a cruiser. Folks, ride what you like, we have different things we like and want to do.

[@stimpsonjcat26]

"Astronaut helmets" lol. Better looking than those mushroom tip looking helmets most harley guys wear.

[@fiveowaf454]

You'd have to experience the comfort and performance of an Adventure bike over a few hundred miles to understand their purpose and popularity with some.

[@jwpalmer24]

Jerzy Kowalski no matter what kind of riding you're doing, you should always have full battle rattle on. Helmet, skid proof jacket, gloves, jeans and leather boots. Dress for the slide, not the ride.

[@endurotruckererniedesjardins]

Jerzy Kowalski that ktm is way more comfortable then my dyna wide glide. That ktm makes my harley feel like a piece of shit. Unless you got a ultra the KTM is way better to ride any distance. Think about it.... its made to ride around the world... no Harley Davidson would make the trip. We're riding lawn tractor technology

[@freedomofmotion]

The KTM has stupid torque could probably ride it at 2000 rpm and it be happy. And full face helmets are just sensible, I'd much rather be overly warm then you know, hit my head on a curb and die.

[@rockinmranch6895]

I love the look and sound of the Harley. But I love the versatility of the KTM Adventure R.

[@ദഷമൂലംദാമു-ഥ9ഹ]

Is am the only person who looks comments before watching videos😅

[@abuubaydullah1]

Well very nice day out at the track i thought Harleys would win because KTM is an all rounder on and off the roads learn something new everyday.

[@briandunham7870]

Are the KTMs geared way high? Can't believe how much the HDs get ahead at the launch. Or is he just playing with them?

[@BrandonBigB956]

Brian Dunham Big twins make alot of torque they launch hard

[@603mike]

Lights are staggered

[@WS-ij4ey]

Finally someone who knows drag racing..

[@freedomofmotion]

Staggered start and he looks like he's dicking about or struggling to control the bike fully. The KTM is a huge v twin as well , makes way more torque than the Harley's and lots more horse power. Probably close to twice the torque and twice the hp of the Harley's. With those engines it's more about not flipping the bike over, they'll power wheelie in every gear with traction control off.

[@user-xd5ey8mf8m]

The first race was against a Victory motorcycle, not a Harley-Davidson

[@hansdegebruiker1968]

ktm rider could work a bit on his take off skills

[@hansdegebruiker1968]

thank you for your useless answer, sir. Wish a same happy useless life as you lived before this day.

[@hansdegebruiker1968]

just think about that calling someone a moron. Is he a better human that he can call others moron? There is a lot of people thinking they can type just everything. Having a normal dialogue isn't possible anymore.

[@MrValkeerie]

Ah, Bracket Racing, like playing with a handicap in golf to make the play more interesting. I have the 1290 Super Adventure R, and yes, it will smoke a lot of bikes if one can keep the front wheel anywhere near the ground. Same torque as a Hayabusa, but not the same wheelbase or gearing :-)

[@6r4metroman]

The KTM has it...!!!

[@cordobes6]

Buy a Harley, buy the best, ride a mile,walk the rest.lol

[@christianprotz8131]

Yeeeeeaaah, Made in Austria 😂💪👏👏👏👍👍

[@Daniel-tj6mc]

Ktm's are sick & way out of my price range, but who takes an adventure bike to the track? Sick bikes though!

[@stevemasoero8489]

Harley's are just noise making JUNK !!!!

[@scottcupp8129]

That sums it up exactly!

[@bigkyle7395]

That Ktm. is actually pretty quick. Looks like fun! Time to hit the ktm test rides.

[@connergallagher1815]

Harley’s suck Indian motorcycles are much better and do not need to make noise to make power

[@jasonplant5432]

Noise has othing to do with it Harley Davidson motors sound that way BECAUSE...Walter heard someone had made a two cylinder engine,and never having laid eyes on one Assumed both pistons rode on The same journal,and yes for those who don't comprehend engine mechanics alot of compression is nesceary to pump two pistons on the same crank journal.And they are PUSHROD engines.you show me one Foreign pushod that can produce POWER at those R.P.M.s for 100+years (1903 to 2018),the only reason BMW and Ducati and all those OTHER bike company's don't go broke is cause they make all kinds of automobiles.Harley makes one product and been around the longest, foreign scoots lose value when they are purchased.Harleys GAIN value as they get older.wonder why?

[@inesel3369]

It"s fight between David and Goliath :D!Never compare europes bikes vs american.The same thing is with cars when Hemi with v8 5.7 only put out about 500 hp than europes engines with v6 3.0 put out at 750 hp :D!

[@tabithamerritt539]

You need to remind yourself of the price difference of the two cars those engines come in. The 5.7 hemi is a mass produced work horse not a finecky low production hand built exotic.

[@AdrenalineTheory]

Lets ignore the fact that the KTM is much newer with significantly more horsepower and torque. Saying any of the bikes the KTM is racing against are crap because they were slower is absurd. Idiots....

[@Hacman-rk3cr]

KTM 1290 Adventure ( let's say it's a 1290) has 125 hp and 81 ft/lb of torque at the rearwheel), so not that much more, the difference is the 'dead' weight and that's where the harley shines, a lot of dead weight !!

[@womblebear3107]

Hacman 1963 also the fact that the KTM is on dirt tyres too ha ha

[@nickfry7705]

Ktm seems to give them a head start every time.

[@larrikinaxe3424]

Was I the only bloke who realised that the first bike was a VICTORY!!! WANKERS!!!!

[@fredg8814]

Robin Banks it don’t mater, Victory is out of business and Harley is closing plant laying off 800 people and restructuring, because they don’t sale enough T-shirt anymore.

[@larrikinaxe3424]

Fred G Which asylum are you writing from? Victory is made by Polaris, Polaris purchased the wrights to Indian whom are enjoying much success. As for HD, well they might be laying off 800 locals but they are far from wrapping things up given their massive sales success in Australia. If you don't know what you're talking about and can't string a sentence together, it's best that you refrain from making a complete dick-bag of yourself.

[@mrunalu.kolhatkar2385]

Harleydavidson is class.... Ktm is racing.. Can't compare !

[@veroamoroso6044]

Humillación total...

[@robertorodrigues1849]

KTM once said: I like Harleys, they taste like chicken LoL

[@silverja1966]

The guy on the KTM doesn't know how to launch.

[@timmwhite9218]

...the 'Christmas tree' is set up to compensate for elapsed time differential of 12.35 in the right lane vs.11.35 in the left lane to allow the slower (bracket) bikes in the right lane the extra 1/10 second 'head start'. This way, both bikes should finish @ the lights about the same time.....and they aren't!! Any questions?

[@silverja1966]

Thanks for the info, not really familiar with drag but it just seemed like he was late launching.

[@silverja1966]

That's what I am then.

[@bobsmithers1924]

Antonio Javier lol..

[@Hacman-rk3cr]

When you race harley's you don't need to know how to launch, you win anyway !

[@paulgattuso8934]

My 120hp 2002 1200ss Harley has made a fool out of many pearl harbor riders!!!!!!And real Americans out of some of them.

[@SerpensSolida]

0k... I would never trade my Harley for that KTM.

[@diskrrible]

SerpensSolida your harley sucks

[@saywen5263]

Its because they woundnt give you anything for your P.O.S.hardly in exchange ! Hardly = SHIT ! Get the point !

[@HartyBiker]

SerpensSolida that's alright. The bloke on the ktm doesn't want to swap either

[@loadblock4995]

I love my 1190r but I’m also gonna get a road glide to park next to it. It kinda like A 1911, it’s just something an American has! 1190 is one of the most capable bikes ever made though.

[@akupehsluarketatAR]

because breakdowns and chillin by the roadsides are fun

[@indrabendi3300]

Harley-Davidson built for comfortable touring motorcycle, not drag race

[@matrox]

Fake News...anyone with half a brain knows that the first race is not even a Harley its a Polaris Victory. The V-twin is a heavy torquey cruiser that makes its power down low, its why it beats the light 350lb bike off the line. The KTM catches them because it 250 to 300lbs lighter.

[@Redoralive]

The lights are staggered to give the cruiser a chance. The KTM is using dual sport tyres and still smokes it. All bikes have torque, those cruisers just lack power. You may as well show up on a John Deere tractor.

[@jengel451]

KTM Adventure R is 470 lbs Dry. The KTM wins because it uses technology that was invented in the last 50 years.

[@fredg8814]

Fake news...Anyone with a brain know that power is made with “torque multiply by RPM”. The KTM wins because it can rev above 4500rpm. Even if the KTM as little less torque it’s still able to multiply it by almost 3 time more then the Harley. And being 250-300lbs lighter also make it a lot harder to keep the front down and put the power on the track. Harley are cruiser nothing more.

[@jengel451]

actually I think your estimate of weight differential may be off. KTM must be at least 600 lbs lighter. Minimum.

[@2wrdr]

"The KTM wins because it uses technology that was invented in the last 50 years." Now THAT was funny and point taken. I've ridden many HDs and the main thing is I just don't trust HD when it comes to reliability vs. any of the Japanese. For now my ride is a GSX1250FA converted to sport touring and even loaded down AND 2 up will embarrass most HDs. :)

[@brianstewart4044]

Not one HD guy trashed another motorcycle here. Ride what you ride and have fun. The Harleys are also heavier. Usually HD has more torque which gets it off the line quicker sometimes it helps sometimes it doesn't.

[@mikefrech1123]

This is why they have the all-Harley drags. So the Harley can win once in a while.

[@NETexasDude40]

Love it... Harley, victory, vrod... Whatever... The KTM is a rock solid beast.