Ktuner v2 + 9th Gen Civic Si (Experiment)

[@Aurablade77]

9th-gen owner here, mine is completely stock and your rev hang (or lack thereof) is spot on. I’d say let her drive your 10th for now while modding the 9th then you can always swap with her later

[@nicelikerice12311]

I think it's possible the horrifyingly bad rev hang from the 10th gen has shifted your perspective. Revs didn't seem to drop that fast on camera. I've never driven a 9th gen but I feel it's possible it doesn't have the amount of rev hang you remember. I love the fiddle around vlogs by the way. Keep up the good work!

[@Camhill182]

I think you may be right, Miles. And thanks brother

[@noah4600]

My 2015 has some pretty bad rev hang. Although I've not driven a 10th gen so maybe its not as bad as i thing it is

[@Camhill182]

I think you’d be bewildered if you drove a 10th gen!

[@noah4600]

Is the rev hang wayyy worse on the 10th? Id love to get one as a second car to tune and play around with. I just don't want to give up the reliability of the stock 9th gen. Although it's lowered with wheels and tires

[@Camhill182]

The 10th gen rev hang is WAYYYY worse. Its wild

[@EN_autoblog]

Yes. Viviane drive the new one while you do upgrades to the 9th gen.

[@statuz9143]

Agreed

[@gtodoug]

Could be aftermarket clutch or flywheel. The privacy thing is pretty standard. Imagine a dealer could call to see if a vin was tuned just by asking about the VIN. Better to keep private.

[@LucasW774]

I’ve got a 9th gen. You are shifting around 3-4K rpm, right before the rev hangs get pretty noticeable. If you quickly shift between 4-5k rpms (pre-vtec), the rev hang is very noticeable. This is dependent on if the car is warmed up or not, but you seem aware of this as you mentioned the coolant temp. I’d say your car is 100% on the factory map.

[@KrazeeeOne]

You're so happy every time you get in that 9th gen. Just have Vivian drive the 10th. Plus, you'll never run in to an issue where she's got the 9th gen parked at work when you're trying to film/do work on it.

[@markbills5412]

I was watching the revs drop and it looks like it has the proper rev hang. It looks like the same as mine. Also ya you need to drive the 9th gen it’s definitely more your car than the 10th gen, you get way more excited about it lol.

[@Channel21Jaymz]

Def take over the 9th gen and give the 10 to the lady. U can still take it out whenever.

[@samk4065]

Speaking from previously having two 8th gens, rev hang is markedly more dramatic on the 10th. I anticipate this is due to the combination of the electronic rev hang and the dual mass flywheel.

[@richief5451]

Forget the cat back. Do a K&N drop in filter for now. What I would do is get some Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 (most are on sale since 4 just came out). Would also get Spoon Rigid Collars, specially since that car was probably walloped in that accident. It will realign your subframes. Don’t forget to get one of those lifetime alignments at like Firestone or whatever, it’ll pay for itself in the long run. Btw I have a 7th, 9th, and 10th gen. For some reason the 9th feels more raw. Will be selling the 10th soon since I rarely drive it.

[@davidavina4803]

I’m also looking for new tires for my new to me 2015 si sedan. How wide do you think I can put on the stock rims?

[@richief5451]

The 2015 has a narrow rim for an 18 inch wheel. It’s only 7.5” I’m afraid if you go 235 like the 10th gen the sidewalls will look bulgy. At the stock 225, the width is fine. It’s all about tires. Now, for the 12-13 Si’s they have 215/45/17 on a 7” wheel. 225 is the widest I would suggest without the sidewalls overly bulging. 215/45: --best all around tire, good look, good fit, good grip, good ride 225/45: --taller look, slower acceleration, slowest steering response, best grip, best ride Personally I’m sticking with the 215 and Pilot sport A/S 3,

[@Itz_JayM]

While I love my 10th gen Si the 9th gen was my favourite! Nothing quite beats the sound of the NA motor hitting Vtec with a good exhaust. Looking forward to seeing more videos on the 9th gen

[@slow_joe_fg4134]

Cooper zeon rs3 g1 I absolutely love them, I used them for autocross and they exceeded my expectations. Yes, there is better tires for that purpose but for summer spirited driving that's what I would recommend. 235/40/18 is what Im currently running in stock blade wheel. Yonaka exhaust ftw!!

[@luisdavinci1023]

Maybe it has a light weight fly wheel

[@omitence]

if it had a lightweight flywheel it would throw codes when on a factory tune

[@luisdavinci1023]

Omar Rodriguez ask me how I know that.

[@TheGarnerjustin73]

When the 9th gens first came out, they had really horrible rev hang but then Honda released an ECU update that fixed the issue to get it to the point of the car you're driving. So your previous 9th gen likely didnt have the ecu update. But the rev hang looks similar to my stock 9th gen.

[@peterkalos6271]

If the 9th gen has a base map, the vtec crossover would be like 4500 rpms instead 5500. So it probably wasn’t reflash

[@djsthemetereman]

I have an 18 aspec with cherrybomb m80 as resonator & straight piped back, & wanted to k tune it but I don't see many videos on my car, but they do have it for my year

[@claymiller55]

As a 9th gen owner, I’d say your rev hang is pretty normal for 9th gens at the beginning of the vid. I’ve heard 10th gens just have worse rev hang in general

[@Veexd13]

"Oooo hoo hoo hoo hoooo yeeaah!" I feel you man 😆

[@shaunchristensen4386]

Awesome video as always!! Keep up the great content!! I always love the videos! I don’t remember any rev hang much on my 12’ or 14’ Si’s!! I love the channel!! I look forward to the next video!👍🏽🚙😀

[@Shoookiez]

Can’t wait for this build

[@shawnmarques7117]

My 8th gen si had no rev hang at all until i put the j35 throttle body in i fixed that with a nice dyno tune on hondata flash pro.

[@johnhernandez6434]

I just gave up my 2015 si for the 2020 si and I had to get used to the 2020 rev hang. There is more rev hang on the 2020. To me rev hang work better for you when your winding out the gears. It’s the slower speed that you get that jerk if you don’t wait a second more before the rpm drops.

[@Camhill182]

which one do you like better?

[@johnhernandez6434]

Cameron Hill I love my 2020 and it is faster than my 2015 but there’s something more raw about the 2015. I do think they should have maybe had a vtec turbo for the 2020. I think that the vtec is a better built engine, but I’m not an expert by any means.

[@Camhill182]

I agree with you 100%. I want to find someone with a stock 10th gen to race with my 9th gen soon. Id like to see what the comparison is

[@johnhernandez6434]

Cameron Hill Too bad I’m all the way on the East coast. Live in NYC. Would have loved to participate in the experiment. 😀. Take care of yourself and I enjoy your content. That Acuity shifter is bad ass.

[@brandonburns817]

I definitely think you should let Vivian drive the 10th considering the amount of work/money you are going to put into the 9th gen. Honestly, you should stop spending so much money on the 10th if you are going to get rid of it in a years time anyway. Let Vivian enjoy it the way it is and you can start the 9th gen build and create awesome content. There is still a huge 9th gen community out there. Regarding the mods, depends on what you are going for. If you want performance then I would hold off on wheels and just lower it on the stocks for now. Looking forward to the build no matter what direction you choose to go with. Keep up the great content Cam

[@Camhill182]

Brandon Burns thanks, Brandon! Well said. There are only a few other things I’ll be doing to the 10th. But, its just so brittle and I don’t want to beat on it that much more, if at all

[@shaunchristensen4386]

Awesome video brother!! As always!! I don’t remember rev hang much in my 12’ or 14’ Si!! Have an amazing weekend brother!! God bless!!

[@frederickhenr8812]

Super late but the 2012 9th gen so doesn’t come with a rev limiter it actually has a fuel cutoff . All the other 9th gens after have rev limiters

[@rickyb232]

Get new tires and aftermarket wheels for both if you can. I would upgrade to 19in for the 10th Gen Si. That's what I put on mine and it looks great :)

[@carlossince92]

Deff a full race exhaust and some hard numbers on the dyno after

[@Camhill182]

I will!

[@enriquemendez6248]

I have a 9th gen and ur rev hang is the exact same as mine

[@omitence]

definitely not tuned, and doesn't have a lighter flywheel. the rev hang was definitely there on your 9th gen, you can see there's a little bit of time before the revs begin to drop. both before and after you flashed it. it's probably placebo effect, our 10th gens have pretty heavy flywheels explaining the massive amount of rev hang haha

[@vasilas432]

Rev hang has to do with the butterfly on the gas which remains open for a percentage instead of closing immediately when you lift your foot from the gas

[@omitence]

@@vasilas432 yeah which is why it 'hangs' then falls, right?

[@vasilas432]

@@omitence yes. Better way to experience rev hang is to go 5k rpm with a first gear and leave the pedal. Disgusting! Otherwise while on low revs you may only imagine rev hang on or off.

[@randomvideos21015]

I have a hondata and mine works on 8th, 9th and 10th gen cars

[@nateisrandom2143]

Drive the old one but just make sure you drive the new one every now and again because personally I have not seen much 9th gen civic si stuff but I am interested in it. Also yes get the exhuast

[@Camhill182]

The 10th gen content will live on until I get rid lf it!

[@wojtastomal]

I think ktuner not giving you an answer for if the car was linked to ktuner before is good in case the dealer wants to check if the car was previously tuned and possibly deny any warranty claims to the owner.

[@patriciasampier6705]

Hey Cameron,random question,I’m visiting Colorado home tomm,but I just scraped my left front rim on cement curb thing,yes down too metal not too bad but paint gone.Now what,any paint suggestions? Call dealer too get paint?

[@Camhill182]

Hey Patricia! I also scuffed two of the wheels on my 10th gen, and I just haven't gotten around to fixing them yet. I think we do have to get the touch-up paint from the dealer

[@joeymcquilkin3670]

Rev hang is really bad on mine when it’s stopped in neutral and you lightly rev it

[@yr612p]

I have a 2014 Si, that seems like just about the same amount of rev hang as mine. I think the fact that this is a car that someone died in is definitely making you a bit over-cautious. Also I think Vivian should get the 10th gen, but still do some more content with it while the platform is popular.

[@Camhill182]

Yea, i asked her last night and she took the 10th gen to work today. So she’ll be driving that

[@CodyHomovich]

I test drove two 15 si’s and their hill assist and rev hang seemed more prominent than in the 14 I ended up buying. I wonder if the tune for those two parameters are different for 15’s

[@officialvalencia9074]

What is the speed density tune ?? On 9th gen is it better than tune 1??

[@dakotajones8010]

3in catback i heard those give the most gains

[@amordeweso]

It does

[@PurpleHeartVR]

lmfaaaooooo

[@user-rz5mb9dw7q]

Go for an invidia or a skunk2, there pretty loud but sound great👍🏼

[@spencerhanson1710]

On the hondata I purchased it does allow you to flash other vehicles

[@malakius]

Never driven a 9th gen SI but I can say even a factory 9th gen SI has almost no rev hang compared to the 10th. I mean, I can bake a pizza while I wait for my needle to go down in my 10th gen SI!

[@BulkybearOG]

rev hang looks just like my 2012 with the AC off. AC on it does get a little worse though.

[@Dosar11]

I like the wide body camera, what exhaust were thinking of getting?

[@Camhill182]

I actually ordered one last night! 😎

[@Kitsune9xx]

When you installed the pherable tune did you datalog? If so what do you look for?

[@jeffreyadams9506]

Just installed my v2 on my 9th gen si and immediately lost all rev hang!

[@thisisntsergio1352]

4:11 planned obsolescence, bro.

[@mydadleftme4milk421]

Get a INVIDA N1 not the q300 I got the N1 and omg you will not regret it

[@Unvantly]

When u make a vid about ur exhaust can u put a link in the desc to the website u got it from?

[@Camhill182]

you mean about the 9th gen? yes I will

[@Unvantly]

Cameron Hill yeah aha the 9th

[@fishgaming8599]

All 9th gen civics shudder after you completely let off. This is because it shuts off the injectors to the motor to save fuel. Mine does the same thing.

[@2cars10]

I had a ktuner for my car and I absolutely hate their customer service, I would never ever buy from them again. I'm just glad I was able to sell if for close to what I paid

[@Camhill182]

:/

[@wuilmermendoza436]

Honestly theur customer service does suck

[@alaindeul1333]

That's strange maybe tuned before??? Or something with the ECU

[@Camhill182]

I guess not. It feels the same as it did when i got it. I think im just trippin

[@Brokegarage]

Does the Ktuner have the Misfire detection option?

[@Camhill182]

im not sure. it probably does, it has a ton of features

[@caglioso]

Wait why would you want the rev hang back? Why not just leave it tuned as is?

[@Camhill182]

The point of this was to get it off (if it was) of a stupid basemap. Basemaps are not healthy for the car. So, ensuring that it was back on the factory tune gave me peace of mind

[@caglioso]

Cameron Hill to each their own, it’s your ride.

[@michaelrissone8365]

How do u disable rev hang in the 10th gen? I have the ktuner v2

[@Camhill182]

Turn off all the cruise controls (on my 2020, I just press the “main” button) to turn rev hang off

[@michaelrissone8365]

Cameron Hill thanks man. Super excited to see how the build turns out

[@daniel212.]

Let her drive the new one, and you drive the 9th gen

[@brokentradgedy]

so since u have a ktuner for the 9th gen are u going to flash the basemap on it?

[@Camhill182]

No, theres no sense in doing that. It wont do anything

[@brokentradgedy]

@@Camhill182 really!? It doesn't increase the redline and add an power?

[@Camhill182]

Its not going to do anything noticeable unless i have supporting mods and a proper tune. With naturally aspirated cars, you cant just add a tuner and flash a shitty basemap and make more power. You have to get it professionally tuned, which I certainly will!

[@brokentradgedy]

@@Camhill182 idk man I think I'd have to disagree with you on that....on my 8th gen Si I used to have it added an additional 20-25 whp with earlier VTEC engagement and higher redline on a completely stock car

[@Camhill182]

Thats pretty sweet. Those 8th gens had real VTEC. And hey man, im just reiterating what I’ve gathered from hours and hours of research on the forums, facebook group, and other sources 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@noahpike8274]

I have a 9th gen. The air bag thing comes on when i do flashing.

[@Camhill182]

I hadnt even plugged it in yet :/

[@noahpike8274]

@@Camhill182 thats rough 😂 dont go skunk. For the love of god every honda guy uses skunk. Try invidia. They make beautiful sounding exhaust systems and they offer a 4 inch burnt tip. Can i shpw you my build on my 9th gen si? Its a 2015 k24z7

[@Camhill182]

Bro show your build away. DM me on instagram @camhill182 and Im about to order the full race cat back just to get SOMETHING on the car right now

[@noahpike8274]

I just messaged and follow you! Should be dat_9th_gen_si

[@005-v5s]

Turbo or Supercharged? 🤔

[@smokey7881]

Let Vivian drive the new one, be a gentleman

[@pablohernandez8427]

It might be an aftermarket clutch

[@Camhill182]

Thats what I was thinking

[@jaiuchiha6191]

You don't need to go to the dealer to fix that airbag light u can do it yourself with a paper clip lol I washed my seats recently and the airbag light came on you just have to let the seats dry properly then reset.

[@Camhill182]

How do i do this with a paperclip?

[@jaiuchiha6191]

@@Camhill182 did the seats get wet or u so happened to yank on the wires underneath the seat in any way even when vacuuming?

[@jaiuchiha6191]

There's a yellow connector under the steering wheel to the left in the fuse box that controls the airbags, u have to disconnect it and put both tips of the clip in the wire part (not the fuse box) ignition off and on for like 6 seconds or so when the airbag lights blink u take out the clip plug back in the connection and restart the car, if that confuses u then just look on KZbin for honda airbag light reset.

[@Camhill182]

Ill have to youtube it. Thanks!

[@jaiuchiha6191]

@@Camhill182 no prob, worst scenario just disconnect your battery for like half hour that should reset it too.

[@cryxbaby2250]

Exhuast! K24s with an exhuast sound so good.

[@MK6CHRIS]

a good exhaust * , but yes I agree

[@spoolin2bars]

It’s called “3rd party privacy”. It’s against the law for them to tell you anything about another person even just wether or not they had their product. They can be sued. Anyway, I’m running 17x9 front and 17x8 rear wheels with 245/40 and 225/45/17 tires respectively. Look good and meaty on there.

[@danielabbate9001]

let her drive the new one until this one is ready for her

[@vhorsle813]

GET THE SKUNK2 megapower rr, IT SOUNDS AMAZING!!! I have it on my 9th gen si

[@Camhill182]

can you DM me some sound clips?

[@noahpike8274]

Skunk is overrated. Get an invidia exhaust

[@jadenr.4531]

Hi, does anybody know if I hould get a ktuner for my 2015 honda civic lx 1.8L cvt? I want to increase the hp on it but i cant find a tune shop. And will the ktuner be worth it? Cant get new car

[@mtbarnes1991]

They wouldn’t tell you, just in case you were a business and checking for a voided warranty

[@aaronguerrero1151]

Nice vid bro I say let your woman drive the 10th gen considering it’s more of a safer car and you whip the 9th gen. Quick question tho so I got the 10th gen sedan about a month and a half ago and I was wondering what does the K Tuner do ? Is it worth the buy ? Thank you bro

[@Camhill182]

Hey man, Ktuner plugs into your OBD2 port and can piggyback your ECU. It is used tk make your car faster by tuning it

[@aaronguerrero1151]

Cameron Hill oh hell yeah that’s sick I’m gonna have to get one thank you bro keep making them vids 🤙

[@GoDsSoN770]

Given the fact that you could be anyone, maybe someone from a dealership, someone from law enforcement etc, it makes plenty of sense that they want to protect their customers right to privacy.

[@Camhill182]

I get that, but my brain is not understanding what privacy that would be invading to tell me yes or no.

[@GoDsSoN770]

@@Camhill182 Well if you were a dealer buying the car from the one owner who's owned the car, you may want to inquire on whether or not that owner tuned the car. If Ktuner gave you that info, that would easily prove the owner tuned it. Or, if you sold your car to someone without disclosing that it was tuned, maybe it suffers a failure later on, and they try to sue you. They can just email Ktuner and find out if you tuned the car.

[@andyavila24]

Supercharge it !

[@Camhill182]

Oh I will

[@dannyAKAdanny]

Naturally Aspirated😎

[@jabinibanez3641]

Yeah. N k24. Do intak manifold throttle body cold air first. What's those gains like. We want to see a all motor bulid. Done right on a budget. Like all of your veiwers would do if we had the money.

[@shaunchristensen4386]

Oops didn’t mean to message twice!! I thought the first didn’t go through! Lol take car brother’

[@Camhill182]

You take care, too!

[@PoSeyVidZ]

Just find someone with a 9th gen si bro and test it out easy

[@jonathancintron3913]

ktuner probably didnt want to tell you just because there's no proof that its your car

[@nene6569]

kinda lame that this is something a tenth gen civic si owner has to dedicate attention to, you're providing content for other owners nonetheless which I'm sure they really appreciate but holy damn it's all so damn underwhelming of a platform. i really only watch these vids to give more information to a friend who's new to cars and has a 2019 si and its all been very useful but damn I just feel like telling the guy to take the car back and get something else worth putting money/time into. Getting the ninth gen was a good move though on your part. You put out pretty good content, look forward to whatever other car/cars you get on the channel.

[@Camhill182]

Im not sure whether to appreciate this comment or.. it sounds like you were unhappy with the 9th gen content, and then towards the end of your comment you said it was a good move on my part. Im not sure whats going in here

[@nene6569]

Cameron Hill I was ragging about how bad the rev hang on the 10th gen is that it’s got you thinking the 9th gen is tuned despite its revs looking normal. Looking forward to the 9th gen content, it’s way more rewarding working and putting time/money into the k24. My bad, definitely could’ve worded it all better.

[@Camhill182]

Lol you’re good bro. I was confused. And i cant wait to get this thing tuned! Its gonna rip!

[@sammaggard]

You make some crazy claims.. like money only and that a VIN cannot easily be traced to the owners.

[@Camhill182]

I googled my VIN number. couldnt find anything about someone's name or address or anything like that

[@Camhill182]

I googled my VIN number. couldnt find anything about someone's name or address or anything like that

[@sammaggard]

@@Camhill182 because you don't know how. Any insurance agent or company has complete access to that, as well as the BMV, etc etc

[@005-v5s]

Thats just their way of saying- We are lazy and don't want to do it.

[@Life714life]

The problem is you😅😂😂

[@vasilas432]

Rev hang can be checked above 5.000 rpm with first gear. If it is there you will hear it for sure. Give Vivian the 9th

[@vasilas432]

When you lock a ktuner for the first time it takes a back up of your map and name it as factory. It doesn't know man. It doesn't have a factory map stored for every car. Then if you say "restore to factory" it will just write the same map again.