Muni says 20% of riders skip out on paying

[@SFPhilo]

They lying, more like 80%

[@415_Stand-up]

Not true

[@ericiancarr]

Whenever I get on a crowded station for the N or T, I am the only person who pays. And there is no way the people I see have expensive monthly passes.

[@rainbow1021]

I say 20% of rider are paying

[@415_Stand-up]

Fake news

[@TheGardenMG]

ONLY 20%? I took a ride I think only like 40% are paying riders.

[@raygordon3728]

What do they expect to happen when you have people getting in through the back doors? Do they want an honor system? You try that in the 70s or 80s the driver would get up and call you out. Sometimes he wouldn't move the bus until that person paid or got off.

[@bigcountryranch]

old days are gone. and usually it's a group of teens that always take over the back don't pay. and if the bus driver called them out, they will jump the bus driver.

[@grandmax4]

@@bigcountryranchKids 18y/o and under ride free on the SF Muni 🙏🏻

[@pimaxuma]

Lies. It doesn't matter to them what percentage doesn't pay. They want to use the fare evading fines ($50-$124) as a source of income, to fund an agency that wastes millions every year. The original goal decades ago, was to make Muni free for residents. So all revenue from parking and traffic fines was merged into SFMTA. Later taxicab permit fees was also merged into SFMTA. But SFMTA is a money pit. No matter how many millions are added, SFMTA always manages to find ways to spend more and more. The real problem is that SFMTA officials (and employees Union too) never cared to operate within the available budget. They ALWAYS overspend, in employee overtime, in wasteful purchases, in unnecessary expenditures, pay lawsuit settlements for property damages due to inept Muni drivers, repair damaged buses due to poor judgement of Muni drivers, etc. IF the only problem was 20% unpaid fares, then they wouldn't have such a huge budget deficit.

[@erictaylor3897]

Bingo the only comment that makes sense on here. SFMTA cannot handle money even if it had 100% funding and much more, they'll find a way to overspend and run up a huge deficit. It's like giving a spoiled teen your credit card.

[@KnightDark1233]

1 in 5 doesn't pay 😂 more like 1 in 5 pays 😂

[@seadweller386]

Start ticketing the RVs.

[@chuckspoke]

Look like it has to be more than that. I sit on the bus and see people hoping on and hoping off without paying. Those back door loading free riders.

[@jujub4553]

They should crack down on bart fare evaders.

[@reddahlias2595]

Everyone should have to tap even if they ride for free. Not tapping sends the wrong message and make others think they are riding for free. They need to update their systems so everyone taps even those using cell phones. Kids should get a kids clipper card when they register for school and be required to tap.

[@chuckspoke]

Who sit on the bus and watch if others people tap and develop or create a mental message though? I have thought of the lost revenue but I paid my fare not getting upset b.c bus bums and non pay riders. They need to just get back to front door loading and collect fares( if services are in financial strait). Riders may not like it, but you understand why and service must be funded.

[@zzhou1557]

Bus drivers are not doing their jobs that's all. In the 1990s you try to get on a bus without paying, the bus driver won't drive until you get off and trust me, with other passengers giving you the evil eye-- they get off. Now, bus driver's don't want to confront in fear of violence and city is worried about lawsuit. We lost our ways.

[@brianp5205]

Its actually against company policy for bus drivers to enforce the fare due to the risk of altercations.

[@zzhou1557]

@@brianp5205 that's the point; there is no incentive to enforce anything. We want our cake and eat it too and shit back fires and we wonder why what happened? I wonder why we struggle to elect any competent leaders.

[@jonnyfendi2003]

U mean like how how the video just last week of the bus driver woman fighting a female passenger cause she wouldn’t let her on without paying?????

[@jrxtrc]

You don't need fare inspectors! Just do it like how it was 10-15 years ago when you had everyone pay at the front of the bus by the driver! I swear Muni and SFMTA have no common sense.

[@alihakimi1707]

25% percent sounds about right

[@norcaldeemichaels]

This is why I’m against expanding public transit. Keep the freeloaders in the city & out of the suburbs.

[@latte1845]

Only 20? Lying

[@jasonsmith1143]

good luck in SF

[@shiveringnerve]

who cares. SF cost of living should make transportation complimentary

[@Sunset4Semaphores]

I just visited the region. I know I'm the only one that paid fares on the muni light rail and buses i boarded. Everyone paid fares on caltrain. They've got that locked down.

[@undiscloseduser2004]

I would not want to work giving people tickets, that is scary...

[@bigcountryranch]

Jeffery Tumlin should be fired.

[@propblast82nd]

Shocked they aren’t blaming the greedy colonizers

[@danielclarson72]

You're a fool.

[@grandmax4]

I take the SF Muni everyday and more often than not, I see fare evaders waltz on without paying from the back doors. One time, I saw a young adult board and stood next the door with $2.50 in her hand just in case she has to walk to the front to pay. She exited with the same $2.50 in her hand when she got off at her stop 😡

[@celebrityrog]

20% of riders and 100% of a certain demographic that thinks the world owes them something. Muni is funded by tax dollars not fares. Fares go into pockets of the board. So not paying for something we already pay in taxes.

[@TohaBgood2]

What are you even talking about?

[@oscarsmith6519]

That’s just wrong. There should be a law to criminalize that action, and the the law should not be enforced. Brilliant.

[@Patel2Go]

Muni IS COMPLAINING???? HERE BAY AREA RESIDENTS ARE GETTING ROBBED BY FBI AGENTS 😔 INCLUDING MYSELF 🇺🇸🗽😔😔😔😔

[@ferenchorvath5478]

The SFMTA is a joke and these inspectors are a waste of monies that the city doesn’t have

[@rprw1041]

Why pay when nothing will happen to you. Look at BART at some stations it’s all day long. Entitled groups of people.

[@TohaBgood2]

Almost everyone pays on BART. They have fare gates everywhere and there's regular fare inspections.

[@chasemartin4450]

Nah, MUNI has enough ridership for peaceful riders to outnumber crackheads in just about every scenario, eliminating the only real way to justify fares on public transit. Make the system fare-free, funding it with taxes on San Francisco residents, and *build more subways until everywhere in San Francisco is within walking distance of a subway station!*

[@BigB0ss00]

transportation is a service. should cost something to make transportation viable. Bus drivers gotta eat too. Those who drive cars shouldn't pay more in taxes for this

[@chasemartin4450]

@@BigB0ss00 Why not charge for entry to public parks then? Why not require a membership to go swimming at the beach? Why have any *public resources* in the first place? Hint: said public resources include roads, if you think subways are a waste of taxpayer dollars wait until you find out how much suburban sprawl costs...

[@BigB0ss00]

Why are restaurants requiring people to pay? Food is a human right, it should be free. Same for rent, those are basic human right why aren't they free?

[@jtomyhope575]

Because the cost of fair is absolutely ridiculous. Who wants to pay such an expensive price for such a broken service?

[@415_Stand-up]

Bruh gotta be the worst service in the United States

[@TohaBgood2]

What are you talking about? Muni costs $2.50. The same as everywhere else. And SF is one of the richest cities in the world.

[@brianp5205]

Many people you see using clipper cards actually have free rides because they are on social programs for the poor. No proof of income required to enroll.

[@jsanf44373]

should be free

[@TohaBgood2]

And how are we supposed to pay for that then? Magical money trees?

[@jsanf44373]

@@TohaBgood2 they skip paying because they got no money trees muni expects people to have

[@TohaBgood2]

@@jsanf44373 And are you expecting the Muni workers to just work for free? Do you think that electricity and parts for the vehicles are provided pro-bono by good Samaritans? How exactly are you expecting a system to exist if you don't even want to pay for it?

[@jsanf44373]

@@TohaBgood2 this is societal breakdown muni riders are poor they don't pay because they can't you are stuck on stupid with your loaded questions

[@TohaBgood2]

@@jsanf44373 That's nonsense. SF has some of the most generous social programs and free healthcare for anyone even if you're undocumented. Plus, there's the Clipper Start program that gives low income people 50% off transit. Are you saying that someone is too poor in SF to pay $1.25 to ride the train? Come on, bud. That's just nonsense.

[@thiagorpmendes9617]

Yeah…and?

[@anthonyjones9868]

🤣

[@TOm-hr2mb]

More like 2/3 of rider's don't play. But it's also slow, dirty, dangerous and should be free.

[@danielclarson72]

"Slow, dirty, dangerous " 😂😂😂 You clearly don't take public transportation." Crybaby.

[@BigB0ss00]

Tell Muni to stop avoiding giving tickets to a certain group of privileged people. Give tickets to people no matter their skin color/ethnicity. Make it fair

[@TT-rg6yc]

I agree that all riders should pay, but at the same time SF is god damn expensive.

[@TohaBgood2]

It's $2.50, literally the same as everywhere. What are you talking about?

[@TT-rg6yc]

The cost of living

[@TohaBgood2]

@@TT-rg6yc Muni costs the same as transit costs in third world states like Alabama and actual third world countries. If anything, Muni is an insanely good deal and quite cheap if you adjust for local wages. Let's not forget that we have the highest minimum wage in the country.

[@OHHBOYOHHNO]

Reparations

[@stanleymoumolua1446]

How long it's gonna go. From 9_5 pm. Come the evening the crack back on the train smoking meth again

[@hermanmelara7755]

Lower your salary

[@BigB0ss00]

the drivers deserve a 40% raise for what they gotta deal with on a daily/hourly basis

[@danielclarson72]

😂😂😂😂

[@user-nx8jh9wt8i]

So it’s ok to for vendors not to be licensed; it’s ok drink modelo 🍺, play you’re music in you’re language, move 📦 s, produce, flatscreen 📺 s, beds 🛌 s on 🚌 s but it’s not ok to call ICE and not ok pay you’re 🚌 fare. Ook..