Kubota LX series VS L series - Loader Lift Comparison

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[@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849]

This is an extremely well done video! This is exactly the kind of information that I did not get from my local Kubota dealer when I was asking these questions. Without a doubt, I will be making my next purchase from Messicks! 👏👏👏

[@stephengmeiner3264]

Thank you! I feel better about my LA525 now. I assumed the LA535 was more capable by the higher model number. I never saw them side by side before and didn’t realize how much bigger the 525 was. Great job.

[@GPOutdoors]

Good video Neil! Thanks - very helpful for us new guys! Cheers!

[@rash0401]

Extremely helpful video! thanks Neil!

[@jonathangriggs3365]

Awesome video, thanks Neil. I have been waiting for this one for a while now. Could have really helped with my decision two months ago before I bought my LX2610. 👍

[@daveblevins3322]

I, for one, appreciate honest people and comparisons. Thank you.

[@sunseeker6088]

I like how you educated us on the effects of higher heights and loader capabilities. Thank you

[@terrymcgillicuddy8056]

Nice tractors. Thanks for the information. Can't beat a Kubota.

[@randho5150]

I picked up a 3901 last week with a LA525. Love It!

[@jimwilloughby]

Great video, Neil. Actually, I think, one of your best.

[@SouthernStyleLawnCare]

Great videos. Just bought a New L2501HST. Couldnt be happier. Ill have to make some reveiw videos. Just ordered speedco Quick hitch and Kubota stabilizers for rear as Turnbuckles are no good.

[@neilramseyer5348]

Great video! Thanks for testing it. If you are in doubt about buying always go bigger

[@erikniemi1977]

Nice video. It's a great demo to show how what looks good on paper can be misleading without research. It's a challenge buying anything without doing quite a bit of research lately unless you have extra cash around and just buy something with obvious overkill in mind.

[@bretfrerichs162]

Great info. Could you do a video on the bucket curling capacitys?

[@blessedandhappy3921]

Great video and information as usual. Isn’t it about time for another “Neil’s Deals”?

[@MessicksEquip]

Yes. They do take a lot of time to edit.

[@P245Sig]

This is great info, thanks.

[@MrRfries]

Excellent video, the load cell tells the tail. I'd like to see competitive brands compared on this measurable method. The specs are so confusing for a first time tractor buyer, but you can't just trust what every sales rep says either. Some are honest, some baffle you with BS, but they all are so convincing (at least the good ones). Then you have the forums full of fan boys. A test like this would prove the results. Everybody has different needs for their tractor. For me min'e is more of an off-road forklift and I need maximum lift down low up to truck bed height. Don't really care if I can dump dirt into a triaxle, I don't have one. I still believe I bought the right tractor for me, but If I were to re purchase I'd be making a more intelligent in my analysis of facts and features after owning one for several years,.

[@MyClutteredGarage]

Love my B2601 but I think I'd love an LX even more :)

[@TimeAfterTym]

I really liked this video. As usual it was very well done. My question is is there a video which shows with the LX3310 can I actually lift? I mean how big of a tree or how much gravel will fit in the grapple or scoop? I understand the math but how do you tell how heavy a tree is after you cut it? I was watching a video about a guy who bent the front and loaders by trying to lift a tree too heavy. Is there a physical observable marker that would tell you you’re lifting something to high? I’d rather be able to see something first before I blew like hydraulic seals or bent anything. Sorry I’m pretty new to this.

[@igortretsnom]

another great video.

[@thall6076]

Always amazing videos

[@k.compton8995]

Wish we had a dealer like you guys in Georgia. I've learned a lot from you guys. I'm close to pulling the trigger on a L2501.

[@kayaddicted]

I have an L2501 and it is a solid machine. If you treat it right it will treat you right.

[@jwhitley101whitleyfarms9]

There are lots of those around here on small jobs working great my dad has a l3750 we have had for over 20 years never turned a wrench other then changing oil and filters

[@67cruizer]

I’ve owned a 3301 for almost 3 years and it’s been trouble free. It works pretty hard and when compared to my neighbors B series 2650 it way mare capable and more stable on uneven ground.

[@mattcanfield6384]

Got 40 hr on my l2501 coming from a old 35 hp john deere and I could not be happier absolutely awesome tractor worth every penny

[@wildbill23c]

Have you done this test with a BX? Could you do so at some point, curious as to what real world shows compared to what the spec sheet says. I'm sure its probably higher in the real world, but for what I'd be doing its not going to have any issues lifting.

[@inthedarkwoods2022]

These are the videos you need to make.

[@mikemccrary9346]

How about doing a video on Breakout force

[@zodac1976]

I have a 2020 model year L3901 with loader and backhoe. With the backhoe attached I can easily lift, carry and stack full sized round bails of hay. The 6’ 1,800lbs round bails not the smaller 5’ 1,100lbs round bails. Those lifting rated numbers are way lower then what Kubota says. I’m able to double stack those large bails of hay easily, yes it does go slow getting it up there but it does it with no issues at all. Definitely a tractor I am completely happy with buying it makes my small 15 acre farm work so much easier and I have yet to find a job that I have asked it to that it hasn’t been able to do.

[@mesanders1113]

Awesome video

[@moultonditcher6187]

When i bought my L2501 i did'nt give a rats behind about lifting height,capacity,breakout.i cared about fit and finish,parts availability long term,dependability and resale,in case of upgrade.KUBOTA offers all the above,I've worked way to hard to have to second guess my purchase,I'll stay the course,KUBOTA.Very good info to know anyway.

[@mikecole3248]

Thanks Neil! But, the spec vs measured differences are more dramatic than your video showed. The LX series uses the LA535 loader, but you showed the spec sheet for the B series' LA534. The LA535's spec at 2000 mm is 769 pounds @ 19.5" whereas you measured 847 pounds. Similar differences at 1500 mm. Overall, published spec for LA535 looks VERY conservative based on your measurements!

[@ryanv3751]

I like the bucket pin measurements. I think it is the only way to get an accurate apples to apples comparison between different brands. For example, if a tractor comes with a ssl quick coupler standard and you are measuring to bucket center, the numbers should look considerably better for the brand that has a pin on bucket as standard equipment.

[@MessicksEquip]

Problem for the brands that use ssl as standard. Most people buy ssl with a bucket, they should measure the configuration that sells

[@lalalalala9649]

great video good info my dealer tell me specs in the book can be misleading and we went over them for my b2620 and what i would be using it for it would be nice if all dealers would be upfront with things like neil is and my dealer is

[@scottwydra6365]

Could you show how much certain materials weigh in the appropriate size buckets?

[@justinbornstad3709]

Can you do this test with the MX loader please

[@StefanBacon]

Does Kubota offer any really compact but high capacity loaders for smaller tractors? something that runs closer in to the front tires with less lift height?

[@kkarhoff85]

Great video. Can we get a few more with bigger tractors?

[@PurpleCollarLife]

Another great video Neil! I think it might be time for me to upgrade. That L3901 looks pretty nice. I just have trouble with that treadle-style drive pedal that the Kubotas use. I think it would be hard to get used to, and a pain to use.

[@MessicksEquip]

I sell both styles. Far, far more tractors have a treadle pedal than side-by-side. You get used to whatever style you use. It's not something I think should drive someone to one tractor over another.

[@turbodiesel4709]

@@MessicksEquip : If Kubota were smart they'd do some market research asking customers, AND current owner/operators, what they want and would prefer. Side by side hydrostat pedals will undoubtedly win by a landslide. Treadle hydrostat pedals are nothing but an ackward pain in the ass to use, especially if you do a lot of fwd/rev loader work.

[@MessicksEquip]

They have, and the treadle has always won out.

[@WolfinWolvesClothing713]

@@MessicksEquip really? I've been reading forums for weeks and haven't seen one person at all say they wish they had one. It's actually a big deterrent. You just let the kubota salesman in you show. Regardless I'm going to check out an lx2610. Do you think it would lift a 1500 lb skid off a 2-3 foot trailer?

[@MessicksEquip]

​@@WolfinWolvesClothing713 1500, probably not. I'd guess you'd tap around around 1200 depending how far away the load is.

[@greatlakespowerstrokefx4]

Neal did that lx2610 have loaded tires? Or just the rear ballast and does that have spacers on the back?

[@sagebel]

Put the guys in the fab shop to work and have them built a mount that allows you to lift from the pivot pin and compare the two lift points on the same tractor.

[@stephenbeecher7545]

Thank you; that was an excellent dempnstration. Question: Does the addition of the skid steer quick coupler on the front affect these numbers significantly, either by its additional weight, or by moving center of gravity farther out front?

[@MessicksEquip]

Yes and yes, buy about 10%. Generally a good trade off for the flexibility.

[@maxball6388]

Id love to see a Breakout Force test!

[@FLOUNDERMILKSHAKE]

What RPM are you running the tractors in your test?

[@OutdoorsEngineer]

I'd like to see a similar video but doing a dead lift sort of pick. How much can each tractor lift a 3-6 inches off the ground?

[@MiserableOldFart]

The guy from Good Works tractors does some of that, but not with these models, from what I've seen.

[@remb9614]

You should do this test on a loader that can be adjusted to give up height for strength.

[@andysworld2188]

I wish Neil would have done another test at 24 inches off the ground. You are supposed to have some real high numbers. My B2650 has the LA534 compared to its twin brother the LX2610 in the video which uses the LA535. So the Lx can lift 1 kg (2.2 lbs) more than my B2650 (thats what the numbers mean. My LA534 can lift 534 kg from the pivot pins at full height). Anyways tomorrow i have to pick up from the store 1,457 lbs of wood laminate floor. The bed of my 16 ft landscaping trailer only sits about 16 or 17 inches off the ground. I am curious if i will lift it or have to pull some boards off to make it lighter. Granted i will be using pallet forks so the load will be out front a little bit.

[@donmcmannamy3409]

Looks like you needed more/heavier ballista on the back of the tractors for your tests do to the right rear tire still came off the ground during your tests

[@jefferyprobus8582]

Are the hydraulic cylinders the same

[@winstonsmith8898]

Thanks.

[@townsendliving9750]

This kind of makes me want to make a place in my yard I can periodically test my lifting capacity of my equipment. I feel like my tractor has dropped lifting capacity in the first year of owning it. The 3 point seems to be weaker as well, I've taken it to the dealer but they said it's fine, I feel like the hydraulics need to be readjusted to bring back lifting capacity. Also I have never been able to spin year tires which I feel like I should be able to do. Even In the mud if I try to push something to heavy the tractor will just die and never spin a tire, which I have never experienced on any other equipment. I still love the tractor just want more out of it

[@townsendliving9750]

@@jt3366 new holland boomer 24

[@The1025RChannel]

113lbs is a bit more than 15lbs difference. Just thought I’d point that out. I know the lift capacity at max height at the pivot pins was within 15lbs, but that wasn’t what was circled.

[@tator05]

Neil, when will we see a M8 video going over the new machine in depth? I assume Messick's has had a few show up by now but I'm sure they were pre sold and you were unable to shoot video with them?

[@MessicksEquip]

We've not received one yet

[@what1864]

why are kubota's loaders numbers so much lower then other tractor brands ? example i just got a branson 2515r tractor 25hp 3000lb tractor that lifts 2200lbs to full height at the piviot pins . i know specs aren't everything but that is a huuuge difference , why i went branson .

[@bullrambler]

Good Video - How would it work out if 600 lbs of wheel weights on the rims are installed...?

[@MessicksEquip]

It would help stability

[@MikeDPlxztc]

In the first test at 1500 m m you put some power into it in the right rear tire lifted off the ground much more so than the left and the whole tractor frame and loader frame seem to twist even though your load was centered. why?

[@MessicksEquip]

Front axle articulates

[@iamthemoss]

You guys make great videos. I love my L3901 but for three things, the PTO lever design in poor, the oil dipstick location is difficult and I wish the front brush guard better protected the front better. Overall though a great tractor.

[@natehill8069]

I think my least favorite part on my L4600 HST is the gearshift - frequently I will be going down a steep hill and be looking over my right shoulder to watch the implement (as you do) which pushes my hind end up against the gear lever and wheeeee! all of a sudden we're flying into the barbed wire because I butt-shifted it into neutral. This is not made better by the criminal lack of a grab handle on the starboard side to keep from doing that with (OK, worst thing #2) so I keep accidentally grabbing the tire or putting my hand between the fender and the tire; neither of which is very helpful either. Not sure why Kubota didnt do the obvious and put one on BOTH sides, but its a major brain fart (I know in Japan they drive on the left, do they BALE on the left also?).

[@MrFakit]

I think the big question here is why aren't those power line towers not painted/ galvanized?

[@ArcherSeven]

They are Cor-Ten steel (or equivalent), so they're an alloy meant to rust and form a protective iron-oxide layer without flaking off like normal steels. Saw them a fair amount when I still lived in Missouri, particularly in Rolla.

[@Farmtractor]

Great video! (Not a kubota fan though)

[@timcartwright4679]

All these CUTS require significant ballast to hit their advertised loader numbers. The box blade just isn't enough weight for this test.

[@rustbelt1946]

I notice when I am carrying around a loaded bucket rolled back the load seems to be balanced on the pivot pin so I would say the pivot pin spec is not completely meaningless.

[@MessicksEquip]

If this is true, your carrying way too high.

[@rustbelt1946]

@@MessicksEquip A rolled back bucket doesn't need to get too high on my lx before it is close to balanced on the pin.

[@grampabadger]

Back the tractor up to the fence post, chain it to the rear lift and raise the lift. Much more stable than trying to use the bucket.

[@Raymo853inLeDroit]

I know the L2501 is nearly the same as the L3901, but it appears the hydraulic pump is a little bit less robust in the L2501. I wonder what the differences between the 2501 and 3901 could be.

[@MessicksEquip]

Flow, not pressure. Will lift the same, a hair slower

[@micahp1615]

Neil, question regarding lift capacity using the Universal Landpride Forks. Based on an LX2610 with the Cab, is it even worth going with the PFL2042 rated for 2100lbs that weighs about 73lbs more than the PFL1242 rated for 1200lbs? Will it even lift close to that weight say 1' off the ground? Contemplating the PFL1242 or PFL2042 and want to make sure the right decision gets made especially if the PFL1242 is ONLY rated for the 1200lbs and there is nothing in between these 2 weights. Thanks in advance!!

[@MessicksEquip]

ratings are for the pair of tines. So PFL1242 @ 600 per fork could bend if the entire weight was on one tine. PFL2042 would be totally appropriate.

[@micahp1615]

@@MessicksEquip Thanks for the input!!

[@CarlBrittonJr]

I have 5 acres. 2 acres dense Woods. Any suggestions on tractors and standard implements?

[@bpdp379]

Mr. Carl Britton, Jr. the work you want to do is more important to choosing than acres.

[@tlr-nut7275]

My answer is M59/M62 for everyone.

[@m3racer]

I'd love to see the exact same test at about 3' off the ground.

[@m3racer]

And with and without an SSQA.

[@theroc68155]

What's the vin of that tractor so I can avoid it on the used market lol

[@Jace33.]

like to see the numbers from lower height were ya are actually picking up a load

[@hphillips7425]

I agree

[@roflstomps324]

I think the factors are too many to be reliable. You have gear, weight of tractor, case weights. There's just so many things that will change the numbers. That said, I would like to know myself.

[@mmorris7808]

Just bought the compact 2501 with LA525 bucket, a set of forks, and also a grapple. Found out real quick you can't actually lift anything of consequence with it. A knee-high stack of bricks on a pallet?...nope. A round bale of hay with a hay spear? nope. Half a bucket full of dirt is about it. Really having a LOT of buyers remorse now. Needs bigger hydraulics to get any real work done. Guess the old Ford 8N isn't retiring yet.

[@MessicksEquip]

Those things weigh a lot more than you think, and your load center is far from the tractor costing you a good 30% of your capacity. Lots of videos on this on our channel.

[@lawrencebessette754]

Great info but why don’t you like the l2501

[@MessicksEquip]

What gave you that impression?

[@lawrencebessette754]

I don’t see to many videos with the l2501 that’s all I did buy one this year wish you had more on the l2501

[@MessicksEquip]

The concepts apply to tractors in general, regardless of model

[@lawrencebessette754]

Ok so what makes the backhoe leak down the way it does

[@clarkharms]

How heavy is the tv you usually mount on that plate??

[@MessicksEquip]

Normal flat screen... 30lbs?

[@clarkharms]

Then I think you over built the bracelet a bit🥴

[@MessicksEquip]

@@clarkharms The welders in our shop go right to bomb proof anytime they make something.

[@Allworldsk1]

I would really like to know why you cannot up the lifting capability of these machines? Is the frame not heavy enough? Are the arms not builds strong enough? Is there some specific reason why they can't be beefed up in the same size range for heavier capacity? Seems like if you beef up the components and you beef up the hydraulic system you can have something more capable around 1500 or 2000 pounds so you can really do some heavy work around the farm or your property. Moving trees Etc. I know they make larger machines for heavier lifting but why not make a beefier smaller machine that can do the work? So you can get into those tight places and the people that own the smaller properties can also utilize them.

[@MessicksEquip]

because the base weight of the machine is too low to do it safely. Wanna lift more and keep your rear end on the ground, you need a larger machine.

[@Allworldsk1]

@@MessicksEquip thank you. Seems legit 👌

[@nhfdtb]

Can we see a cab LX with mower deck.

[@MessicksEquip]

Coming up

[@bobturner3667]

Isn't that L 10 horse more than that B, with more hydro capacity?

[@MessicksEquip]

Horsepower does nothing for lift cap. The point here is the spec sheet does not tell the entrie story

[@nickeckemoff7631]

Can either unload a 1000 lb pallet from the back of a pickup truck?

[@nickeckemoff7631]

Maybe answering my own question…probably not because that weight would on average be even further out than this test here and similar height. Probably could a few inches off the ground (aka a low trailer).

[@MessicksEquip]

correct. If you need to unload a 1000lb skid you really should have about a 1300lb capable tractor.

[@rottenluck]

Comparing the LX to the L but I keep hearing "B Series ". I'm confused. Has the B Series been replaced by the LX?

[@bud7333]

I think it's just force of habit. There was a large frame B series and a small frame. The large frame B series is now the LX. They did have a informative video a while back. Hope this helps.

[@1ruralmailman]

yes the large frame b2650 is now the lx2610

[@JoeMalovich]

It's a shame the messicks sticker on that grader is crooked.

[@michaelenglish904]

It’s not because when you lower it all the way the sticker is straight

[@JoeMalovich]

@@michaelenglish904 Then the landpride sticker is crooked?

[@dougsholly9323]

If you are lifting the back tires off the ground, aren't you cheating yourself out of lift capacity? If you literally anchor the rear to the ground, wouldn't you be able to lift more weight? I do recognize that the purpose of the video was the comparison and not the actual lift weight specs, but how much ballast you put on the rear of the tractor can really affect the readings.

[@bryanklotz]

Other than the loader what is the difference in the LX vs the L series tractors?

[@MessicksEquip]

Lots of videos on that.

[@jackiejacksonjr8566]

Wow Who knew?

[@kyleparrish8737]

Could you measure at pivot pin so we can compare to the kioti CK2610? I bet kioti still beats it...

[@MessicksEquip]

only dishonest tractor companies measure at the pivot pin.

[@jdboy9]

Still would love to see ck2610 on this test. I'm looking at both brands. When I do decide to purchase I plan to take a pallet loaded with weight to make sure they will do what they claim. Or someone can donate a 2610 for messicks to test so I just have to take a checkbook with me instead 🤣

[@timallen8988]

@@MessicksEquip I looked up loader specs on the Kubota website. The pin is where they measure also.

[@MessicksEquip]

@@timallen8988 you'll find 2-3 measurements on most spec sheets... but unfortunately yea, I've seen some cases where they are caving to the trend

[@roflstomps324]

@@jdboy9 my Kubota dealer had a bunch of different materials to demo through. They can't fake letting you hop on and using the tractor yourself. EDIT: I should have noted that my local Kioti/Yanmar and my local John Deere did *not* have a playground for me to demo a tractor on. All they had were rows and tractors and papers for me to look at. The Kubota dealer let me run six or seven tons of gravel, clay and broken asphalt around their yard.

[@PennyRockStomper]

You keep saying "B Series" :)

[@MessicksEquip]

Yea, its going to take awhile to break that.

[@javabean215]

I kinda think the biggest reason was to put distance between the LX3310 and the reputation that the B3350 had built.

[@simpleman4196]

I think all these test should be from ground to about a foot off the ground where 98% of people use their loader mostly.

[@roflstomps324]

Nah, that's just not true.

[@turbodiesel4709]

Well go figure, the bigger & better loader is stronger & more capable. So what exactly was the point of this video? Maybe I missed something.

[@MessicksEquip]

As you said the bigger is stronger, but on paper its not.

[@bluesquadron6287]

Hey Neal it’s not a B series it’s a LX series. Come on neal let’s get your head into the game.

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