Kung Fu vs Karate

Kung Fu vs Karate. In this video we explore Japanese Karate and Chinese Kung Fu! 空手 is Karate in Japanese & 功夫 is Gong Fu in Mandarin Chinese. Karate is the Japanese equivalent of Chinese Kung Fu. Both Martial Arts Styles are the national forms of Self Defense in their respective countries!
My friend Spencer Hinde uses his Karate training to show us 3 different Karate movements. Then, we show 3 Kung Fu techniques from Tiger Kung Fu, Crane, Kung Fu, and Bird Kung Fu which would be well suited to deal with this attack from our Karate expert! Kung Fu vs Karate - which is superior? Tell me in the comments below!
Thank you Pamela Mace for recording the video and thank you Joachim Maniam for lending your Martial Arts abilities making this "Kung Fu vs Karate" video possible!
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[@dangelnut]

in my opinion it always comes down to the skill of the individual not the style

[@OlivLG]

u re right

[@MichaelPercivalCAN]

+david leca Finally someone with a response that makes sense. Thank you.

[@brottarnacke]

Yes, style is less important when kicking down open doors.

[@andrewtung6603]

I agree with your opinion

[@thomasflores7817]

thats why i never know why i click on these Fake mace videos -_-

[@TomSmith-io9uk]

Is your Karate guy a white belt? He kept taking his eye's of his opponent. Remember what Bruce Lee said. lol

[@ghhjnbghjn8921]

black belt

[@blazeblue5717]

lol I love how he say water XD of in other word shui.

[@deejaydaiel9181]

what did he say?:)

[@TomSmith-io9uk]

"Never take your eyes of your Opponent"

[@jakubmike5657]

"what did he say?" Stop asking me to say things to you - Bruce Lee on the set of Enter the Dragon

[@youwantme123456789]

Having a black belt in traditional karate, I was kinda embarrassed about this guys karate... front kick and that front hand punch? Why didn't he use a round kick, spinning back fist, or hammer fist? Yes the side kick is one of the most powerful kicks! But this guy had bad form, didn't shift or pivot right....

[@SakanLam]

Bad form? His punches and kicks look solid to me...

[@youwantme123456789]

8 years in karate and taken first and second in Diamond Nationals for sparing. What you got? Look when he's punching and kicking, legs are way to spread out and they keep slipping!

[@SakanLam]

8 years in Karate, that is impressive! You should contribute a video on good technique. As for me, I have nothing to boast about...

[@RealKungFu]

Andrew - There are sooooo many techniques in Karate as well as Kung Fu. More to come in the next video! :)

[@youwantme123456789]

Stopped doing marital arts about a yearish ago, life happened, and tournaments and stuff got to spendy and moved to a small ass apt so no room for doing tornado kicks to put them on video! haha. Yes Kung Fu has many different techniques! With Karate its mostly all the same just different names...

[@Schultz20]

I'll be sure to use these techniques the next time my opponent cooperates with me.

[@christian11111]

Man that guy doing the karate was killing me, he was so off balance the entire time. His form wasn't very good and like I said the worst part was his lack of balance in his strikes. It looked like maybe he was trying to put too much power into his strikes creating the imbalance, either way he needs a lot more training from a good school.

[@grantsmythe8625]

Are you a martial artist yourself?

[@grantsmythe8625]

My brother is a black belt in Shaolin Do Kung Fu Plus Bruce Lee fought the best guy in the world at the time in karate. Bruce literally played within him. Karate is no match for king fu/tai chi or even Judo or Brazilian Jui Jitzu

[@irasac1]

@Bob's Your Uncle karate did not come from kung fu alone, most of it is japanese jujutsu developed in okinawa, then it got a chinese influence and developed alone

[@georgesavvidis1132]

@@grantsmythe8625 go to a kyokushin or k1 tournament then come back and tell the same thing about karate. Also what does the mean? You phrased this as these two martial arts are inferior from Kung Fu which is at the very least laughable.

[@RealKungFu]

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[@artinhjollder4779]

Kung Fu & Tai Chi Center w/ Jake Mace I would say that he authentic kung fu is almost lost unless you find a true sifu, but in terms of Karate there are more pragmatic and spirited teachers around mostly because it is a fusion of southern shaolin kung fu, japanese taijutsu and okinawan rigorous close combat so you have 3 distinctive historical and geographical references which a common feature between them is "one blow, one kill" or the "Ichigeki hissatsu" concept. This is more tangible if you practice styles like Kyokushinkai. You could also add jujutsu and kendo's footwork, accuracy and promptness to this story and wrap it up as the eastern Chinese-Japanese art of war and self defence. However, in a wider scope, if we imagine Kung Fu as a temple and a general category, Karate would be one if its main pillars and as a whole, Kung Fu encompasses almost everything martial-religious over at least 30 centuries in mid to east Asia. There isn't nothing more fierce and effective, magnificient and creative than real Hung Ga, Wing Chun, Xingyiquan, Taijiquan or Bajiquan, (particularly) Shaolinquan etc. in real situations if the practitioner absorbed the essence under instruction of a real master. So lets forget this absurd question of " Which is better ...? ". There is (and has been) only one Martial Art as the natural physical expression of humankind for survival and then for purifying the spirit. - 3rd Dan in Shito-ryu Karate-Do - 2rd Dan in Goju-ryu Karate-Do - currently practicing Shaolin Luohanquan and Xingyiquan

[@1banryukyu]

Manoucher Nik After WWII what is 沖縄県(おきなわけん) Okinawa Ken or the prefecture of Okinawa would fall under US control (USCAR) from 1945-1972. 3/4 of all US military in Asia would be stationed on Okinawa. This would give the US G.I. 18 months to train under 沖縄空手先生 or Okinawan Karate teachers. On US bases in Okinawa such as Camp Foster, Camp, Kinser and even Kadena would have Okinawan Karate teachers come aboard and teach the 米国軍人(べいこくぐんじん)Beikoku Gunjin or US military G.I. After the GI would do their 18 months on the Rock (Okinawa) they would rotate back to CONUS or the US. Some would open 道場(どうじょう) Dojo(s) back in their hone towns.This would lead to Karate becoming very popular in the US around the 1960s. Hawai'i would also play a role on the spread of Karate to the mainland too. GIs who would be stationed there could also learn many 流(りゅう)Ryu or styles of Karate. The 1st 極真会館空手の道場 or Kyokushin Kaikan Karate dojo to open outside of Japan was on Honolulu, Oahu, Hawai'i under the late Mr. Lowe 師範 (Master). This is one of the leading reasons why 空手道(からてどう)Karate-Do has spread through the US. And if you look even a little closer you will see that a lot of Karate Dojo(s) were found around US bases.

[@artinhjollder4779]

1banryukyu very informative ichibanryukyu, thank you.

[@1banryukyu]

Osu

[@annabelnado7967]

i go kung fu class im number one my teacher is chinease his name is wei shen

[@RealKungFu]

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[@RealKungFu]

Kung Fu VS Karate (Bruce Lee VS Chuck Norris)....Which/Who is Superior? Tell me Below:

[@PcGameGold]

Stefan Milisavljevic thats a very simplistic view!

[@PcGameGold]

Stefan Milisavljevic Chuck was a world champion and thats no mean feat

[@gorillaxbossxdog]

Miganarchine Thats coz he was taught by Bruce Lee! Hehe end of discussion

[@gorillaxbossxdog]

Miganarchine Taught more anyway...Chuck was still competing in a Karate tournament

[@ddkkrd]

Karate is originally a variation of Crying Crane Kungfu. Kara-te use to be written as 唐手 = Tang(China) Fist

[@chambzors1]

I dont know anything about kung fu but I do have decades of karate experience and this karate guys center of gravity is much to high and his over extending in his technique which results in low power and stability. the comparison of fighting styles is utter nonsense and pointless

[@HardHardMaster]

agreed on your excellent analysis. although on the part of comparing fighting styles I must disagree, if the criterium is about effectiveness. there is absolutely a lot of difference in effectiveness between different styles. some are purely esthetic and useless in a real fight or selfdefense situation, and some are sufficiently realistic to provide the practitioner with serieus fighting skills. practically all of them have basic striking techniques but there is variation in the practicality of them, plus just knowing some striking techniques without having trained to apply them dynamically and effectively, and to be able to take some as well, is just too far from enough. not to mention other essential elements such as distances, grappling, weapons, and multiple opponents. however if the criterium is purely about esthetics, then it is solely a matter of taste and art in the meaning of esthetic art, not art in the meaning of practical skill. my opinion is however that martial arts pretend to teach practical skills, and therefor they should fulfill that promise or not pretend it in the first place. for example, I've never had a judoka pretend to know how to fight, although interestingly I'm sure a good judoka can wipe the floor with most of the best Kung Fu practitioners, all of whom do nothing but pretend to be good fighters, even to the point of claiming mystical supernatural powers.

[@chambzors1]

+BlackDiamond oh yeah i see your point. Theres is room for comparison of styles with criteria. You mentioned some martial arts teach skills aesthetically (as we say "flowery and pretty") and look like they are pretending (or symbolic of real application), and that skills should but taught on there practical application only. But i believe martial arts are still art in the same way painting and music is art. And most I techniques that i teach, i start with the traditional execution of the technique and teach application or how its used in real life later, sometimes never. learning the real life application of the technique is earnt through correct demonstration of the traditional technique. i dont think any teacher advocates students getting into real fights. but ill admit a younger less wiser me did a few times and what I learnt about martial arts of those few minutes could have been missed had It never happened.

[@flashkami7664]

+Michael Chambers absolutely right kung fu guy defense has too many step and also look more like it focus on it artistic side more than on the defensive side lol.karate defense is lot betetr as most defense is either only 1 step or mostly 2steps

[@Portabledexter]

You mean you didn't switch off after the rising front kick. You MIGHT pass red belt with a kick like that in our Dojo, but then again you might not! Warm regards...

[@TheJammasterrick]

+Portabledexter I'm sure in your Dojo every kick, every time is perfect, right? Film it and post it them. Mouth.

[@ichbinslayer5148]

Also a black belt in Karate with 15 years of experience here, the karate dude is an amateur, he has some flaws in his techniques plus he is using basic simple moves which are taught for beginners (white belt kids) plus he is super slow. For your information, the Mai Gere is supposed to his the chest with your toes 90 degrees up, not the face, one last thing, his stance is totally wrong.

[@airluc]

Go figure, the guy in white is not even doing anything near any style of wushu kungfu...

[@rajjoshi8022]

Guy in black doesn't look bad, it's just karate freestyle is quite fluid. I would use loyto machida as example

[@CephasCastle]

"strike with the claw" LOL

[@HardHardMaster]

he forgot a Kamehameha ;)

[@GuyInAHotdogSuit69]

+BlackDiamond He also forgot to sweep the leg.

[@jakubmike5657]

He also forgot to restomp the groin

[@taekwondoguy1289]

@@GuyInAHotdogSuit69 Mercy is for the weak. Sounds famillar?

[@kylesheets5663]

Karate comes from Kung Fu so I know with equally skilled masters, Kung Fu would dominate because of its variations and creativeness, it does not limit itself. Also "Iron Shirt"? You can't mess with that!Shaolin Kung Fu!

[@RealKungFu]

I love training Iron Shirt!

[@taekwondoguy1289]

@@RealKungFu give me iron

[@averyred9513]

Karate and Kung fu shouldn't be compared they are both equal and it depends and who's fighting who

[@beensoja]

No they are not. But it does depend on the person. Martial arts wise with 2 equal fighters, kung fu has the upper hand. It has way more powerful kicks and more trick flips. But it does depend on the user.

[@TeeDawgk2wo4our]

Actually it’s the opposite

[@maxmyers3903]

Kung fu and karate are trash I just don't know which one is worse, karate is some stupid ass kicks that would only work in unrealistic situations and kung fu Is just slapping each other with weird ass hand motions

[@arunbhoopasamudra1136]

Its not that I am an expert, but a fight does not go on in a mathematical fashion as it is analyzed in the video. There are no three most prominent moves in Karate from my little understanding of the art. Anything that suits the circumstances becomes prominent for that moment. If these are the defenses in Kung fu to the Karate techniques, there are counters to the defenses too. But the question is how well the person executes those defensive and countering techniques in a fight.

[@BrikBeans]

your weight shifting and footwork are incredible, do you have any back ground videos where you talk about your master/ training experience?

[@gregs_garage]

don't fall into the cactuses. what a recipe for disaster. At the beginning the Mae-geri looked more like a Kin-geri. This Karate guy is suspect. I am a yellow belt and even I can see errors. He's probably a solid black belt though - easier said than done.

[@erikbengtsson6290]

+leusgs I'd even go as far as to say that it looked a bit like a mae ashi geri, given that it was his front foot kicking. Then again I don't have that much experience with karate but with jujutsu. We kick with the back leg for the mae geri. Perhaps it's different in karate?

[@biodefinant1758]

Greg's Garage I'm a brown belt in kwanmukan- shotokan karate, and I agree. He's making a lot of errors, example he's leaning way too much.

[@stefankadric531]

this man even don't know karate he's not doing the karate moves corectly

[@RealKungFu]

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[@shruikan3346]

Kung Fu & Tai Chi Center w/ Jake Mace srsly kung fu / tai chi is unbeatable / do you know the priest pai mei ?

[@RealKungFu]

SHRUIKAN Bai Mei has some great legends!!! :)

[@shruikan3346]

could you do a video about one of his fight techniques like eagle claw ?

[@bettypack713]

i want to vearse you

[@digtongo]

can you do a video trying this in a real kyokushin tournament???

[@ATM180]

I know nothing about martial arts and I found this video to be very informative and interesting. I love how it showed the differences between Karate and Kung Fu quickly and easily for someone like me to understand how they can be utilized.

[@gprgprgpr]

Sorry, but I have to say that.... Many of the comments here remind me those old chinese movies where they say: "my style is better than yours". Come guys, let's grow up a little bit. We don't need to prove anyone that our (write your martial art's name here) style is the best. In my humble opinion, we should stick to what we love to practice and be happy. Have friends from other martial art styles to exchange knowledge helps us to become better fighters. Peace.

[@b_08_amitkumarsahu90]

yes sir u r right

[@KickflipGnasty]

Do you think your Wu-Tang sword can defeat ME???

[@tomtalker2000]

I'm no expert but one seems offensive and the other defensive. I think BOTH can be lethal in there own way. Great video in learning these moves.

[@RealKungFu]

Tell Me Below....Which is better KARATE or KUNG FU? :)

[@user-zo7bq4zb9c]

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[@b.arturom.7366]

Kung Fu.

[@yehiaelkenawy7758]

Kung Fu & Tai Chi Center w/ Jake Mace i playing kung fu its better

[@DragonTamer-ff5jw]

Kung fu it has defence and attack but karate has only attack and little defence leaving them weak when a strong Kung fu move swoops on them

[@1banryukyu]

Yoke Wong WongさんVery strange comment. Mr. Gichin Funakoshi the founder of 松濤館空手 or Shotokan Karate has a very famous quote:"空手に先手なし or there is no first strike in Karate.". From 那覇手(Naha Te) and 首里手(Shuri Te), 泊(Tomari Te) all have very strong defense.

[@brandonnguyen7784]

As someone who has practiced Kung Fu for 3 years, I feel that Jace has not practiced in Kung Fu. These moves are not practical nor affective because these are moves that is more of Wushu (A show off kind of Kung Fu) rather than a type where it can be used as self defense so if you are to watch these videos please do not use it because you will get hurt.

[@kaboomcanuck2]

That's not a good front kick very weak. In karate you do your front kick with the ball of the feet curling the toes Back. roundhouse kick in karate is with top of foot but doing this in front kick is weak and will break your foot probably. Anyone else agree?

[@patricio7081]

I agree

[@hoangduyle5460]

I totally agree with you about using the ball of the feet when you do the Mae geri. However he's wearing shoes so he cannot using the ball of the feet. Therefore he uses his instep to go for opponent's chin or his heel to go for the body. I guess

[@EdDy4RheelZ]

Typical example of what Joe Rogan was talkin about. "You come at me like this, i got tiger claw here, crane stuff here and HA, you dead" bullshit type of nonrealistic sparring that exemplifies what majority of kung fu and karate are like.

[@watenallace663]

+EdDy4RheelZ are you special?

[@EdDy4RheelZ]

+Kokainuser Did you read the part where I said majority? Yes, there r few good kung fu styles too like Sanshou/Sanda, n Shuai Jiao n practiced by few good or decent fighters like Cung Le. For karate, its mostly kyokushin n their offsprings, such as seido kaikan, seido juku, etc that proved karates effectiveness. Gsp, andy hug, machida, uriah hall all have trained karate. But guess what? Theyre effective styles of karate, not bullshit like shorinryu, wado ryu, goju ryu, etc.

[@mightymeatmonsta]

+Kokainuser no, not true. That is true for karate though. And the same goes for muay thai and boxing. You never saw a real kung fu fight, have you?

[@GokuInfintysaiyan]

***** Hey buddy!

[@mightymeatmonsta]

What's happening, Gokulnfintysaiyan!

[@petermedeiros1988]

Great video! And a great reflection at the end: way too often folks get into arguments about what style or school is the best, but it's so true that it just depends on having a good teacher and working hard. Very respectful!

[@RealKungFu]

I agree Peter! Thanks!

[@fletcherhawkins1682]

very nice explanations, the different angles were very helpful, you both respect your different styles and that just makes things awesome :) thank you for the video!

[@Skalias]

Could you do a video of you properly sparring with someone? I think it'd be interesting to see what fighting styles you use out of the martial arts you practice.

[@RealKungFu]

YES! We will have a whole sparring series coming up!

[@akrocuba]

TehSkalias Sparring? Put some gloves on a go at it. You will soon see what works and what doesn't.

[@preshittdandekar8489]

@@RealKungFu is your sparring videos ever gonna come out or you are too busy making onlyfans for your chick ?😂😂😂😂

[@tybn9]

I am a karate and taï chi practitioner. As a general comment to Jack's videos I would say they're of great quality and nitpicking over minor potential flaws is not budo spirit. Keep up the good work!

[@kirbycathy]

You really inspire me Jake! My parents and I can't afford martial arts training but I like to work out with what I have :) Keep doing what you're doing because you are helping many!!

[@RealKungFu]

Thanks Kirbycathy! My best!

[@BooktownBoy]

Can we get off Andew E's back for a sec to mention how crap Jake is??? What is this man doing? Stance - terrible. Weight, balance- terrible. GeneraL understanding - terrible. Movement- terrible. Misleading viewers -100% amazing. JAKE, STOP!

[@MuhammadBilal-po5ku]

Hey jake could you show us some of xingyiliuhequan kung fu (hui martial arts)

[@marcoreviews]

Hilarious moves as always! Thanks Jace, keep up the good work.

[@AWARHERO]

Karate stance is wrong... is back foot should always be in full contact with the ground for a better transfer of strenght.

[@iloveweed2132]

AWARHERO Everything is wrong in all of his videos. Why do you even try !?

[@mitchellcidade4094]

AWARHERO there's so many different styles of karte buddy

[@AWARHERO]

Being myself a 2nd degree Shotokan black belt and having trained in Japan... I do know that there is a lot of "different" style of Kara-te. All deriving from the same original art. What i see here is simply wrong technically.

[@AWARHERO]

You are joking... right?? I mean IF you were serious in your comment, i must assume you never seen REAL Shotokan karate before. May i suggest NEVER try to fight against a Shotokan Black belt for fun to prove your point. Shotokan is a ONE strike combat style. Not for demonstration at all.

[@AWARHERO]

@Mitchell Cidade: Yes, there are a lot of different styles but bad technique transcend styles.

[@DaThaDon98]

You know, if you've done any amount of karate you'd know those kung fu blocks are basically just basic blocks done in karate, but the kung fu style makes it look cooler.

[@botcheek482]

Do a vid Ninjutsu vs Kung fu

[@RealKungFu]

Bo Staff Good Idea!

[@xarlockshowtochannel1033]

Bo Staff Shortest video ever! Ninja faces off against Kung Fu man... Audience waits patiently. Kung Fu man falls over dead, victim of an earlier poisoning by his camera man, who was secretly a ninja the whole time. Remember, if you ever really see a ninja, then either you did not know it, or you died shortly thereafter. In which case you are not reading this, so you cannot argue.

[@maxpaspirgilis3967]

+Bo Staff ninjutsu is not a fighting styel... ninja or shinobi did regular jujutsu or kobudo in general ;) no offence tho...

[@HardHardMaster]

+Max Paspirgilis sorry but that's incorrect. they had they own style, different from samurai jujutsu and based on different principles of movement and tactics.

[@maxpaspirgilis3967]

@BlackDiamond that is a wide sprat misinformation wich comes mostly from old legends, japanese ww2 propaganda and hollywood... all ninja where samurai or ashigaru and thus where traind in differend koryu styles. nijutsu is the art of spys, recon troops and assassins but not fighting...

[@blindmansbluff]

Arrrgh... why get a novice karateka? Karate done properly is beautiful and amazing. It originated from China and originally translated as China hand. It basically is a version of kung fu. Jake, have a look at the WKF videos of the traditional kata being performed. It's stunning. This guy you are messing with here is not a good ambassador for karate.

[@LoveYou-xi1mh]

People are going to get hurt in real life if trying to protect themselves with these moves. Put on some gloves and actually spare if you want to prove the effectiveness of this. This would look good in the movies, or might work against someone who doesn't know anything about fighting, but never against someone who has some training.

[@JagWarGaming]

Exactly. This is just as bad as aikido.

[@masterteddy7951]

Sanshou is pretty good

[@JagWarGaming]

Master Teddy I agree. Sanshou is legit.

[@LoveYou-xi1mh]

Sanshou is just copying muy tai but adding throws. The techniques are more similar to muy tai than traditional kung fu, which should be the case because a muy tai guy would beat up someone who only knows kung fu. The Chinese govt probably realized how bad kung fu was in competition and started copying styles that work.

[@darioncollins6333]

Just you dont see it in mma deosnt mean that it doesnt work. Especially if the person has never seen it before

[@hugovelasquez4396]

For one the guy in the white knew what to counter with obviously 😂 haha

[@evanfoster5843]

This video does not do Karate justice. You picked the three most basic attacks that can be found in just about any martial art. If you wanted to showcase karate, you should have demonstrated 3 karate techniques in addition to the 3 kung fu techniques. Those kicks and punches do not look like traditional karate kicks and punches at all and as far as the kung fu goes, it doesn’t seem like those moves would have a lot of practical value in a fight.

[@Heimdal001]

Those kung fu moves would not have a lot of practical value at all, because they aren't even kung fu moves. They're vaguely similar, but it looks very much like he saw the moves once, imitated them, and filled in all the conceptual blanks on how to use it on his own.

[@urielnascimento3567]

Mae geri with the upper part of the foot, Yoko geri without proper hip control and tsuki almost falling... he could at least call Jesse to try one of these things, his form is flawless

[@bendavies2098]

i like how your in the middle of the dessert to do this xD

[@Opethfullcovers]

There's a better way to deal with this opponent.

[@RealKungFu]

Yes, there are many paths!

[@rockerdrake]

They all have limitations, there is no ultimate or perfect system, but rather combination of several. But in my opinion some of Karate's hip movements and leg rotiations inwards are not just disfuctional but also potentially harmful, while modern Wushu incorporates better alignment, lower stances in forms require much more power on the legs and also the range of movement is much wider, all posibilities being explored. Karate as a derivative of south Chinese styles, particularly those of Fujian province (white crane, five ancestors, soft and hard), as it's also known about Okinawan people and culture prior to Japanese anexation, is just one part of the spectrum of all the styles that can be trained through basic wushu drills, in that sense, systematization to encompass all styles to national level and avoid family monopoly is a major wushu achievement. The undeniable attainment of Karate is its widespread popularity and number of practitioners. Although the sparring forms of both have sweeping and takedowns, they both lack of ground techniques and grappling, which is also crucial.

[@HardHardMaster]

Bad karateka. Bad.

[@xarlockshowtochannel1033]

BlackDiamond What he said ^^^ His side kick was a spinning back kick in one shot.

[@HardHardMaster]

***** correct. Everything should at least be kyokushin style, or any other full contact based style.. We are talking about FIGHT sports, not aerobics, here right? Anyway I don't see how his technique could be considered proper in any style..

[@HardHardMaster]

***** I'm not talking about full throttle, I'm talking about proper techniques that would actually have a practical effect in a fight, which is what martial arts are supposed to be about. Martial in this context means fight. Everything this guy does here will not happen like that in a real fight. It's a fantasy fight.

[@HardHardMaster]

***** oh man where do I start.. First of all I'm pretty issue-free. I just comment and correct some mistakes and certain delusions that are very persistent in the world of martial arts. For example another one u you just stated; Kung Fu is in no way similar to traditional boxing. It was called Chinese boxing by the British in Hong Kong because boxing at the time was the only striking fight sport the British knew, but obviously it was different and hence CHINESE boxing and not just 'boxing'. My mind is so open I need to build a roof on it. It seems that you arm the one stuck on unrealistic dogmas. Also, you did it again. Your statement about what exists outside the octagon is a strawman, as I never commented on that. The choice is not between Kung Fu and the octagon, at best the choice posed here is between karate and Kung Fu and although that's not what I originally commented on, I did later explain that karate would then be the realistic choice because this style of Kung Fu displayed here is not realistic. To expand on that statement, only full contact kickboxing type styles of Kung Fu, like Sanda or San Shou for example, are realistic even just a little bit only. Your statement about 'tricks' lacks every nuance and is basically another noob dogma. I'm the end it is about the most practical system of techniques and the most practical experience. Kung Fu is usually nothing but tough acting ballet, and never have I seen any Kung Fu practitioner use Kung Fu effectively against any decently trained fighter. It teaches only very marginally effective strikes and kicks into the air, usually with form over effect, and no actual fighting skills beyond that. As for Kung Fu styles, pretty much only San Shou and wing chun do anything related to realistic full contact sparring and they are by design still extremely limited in terms of practicality. Conclusion is still the same.

[@HardHardMaster]

***** lol sure I'm the complete idiot... I did give substantial arguments, you are the one that didn't. U just keep creating strawman fallacies and polarising the discussion, which is what is really not only childish but shows your total commitment to childish and uninformed dogmas. I've given mature and realistic arguments, moreover my arguments come from a lifetime of practical experience whereas yours clearly come from your ass. Anyway, you have now shifted the discussion to ad hominems, another fallacy of which you're apparently unaware that it only makes u look uninformed, unintelligent and immature. Not only that but you are now stating total misconceptions like Kung Fu being similar to traditional boxing. Are you aware that any one with any knowledge of boxing will now dismiss you as a total fool? Also, again you come up with a self imagined conclusion about my persona. I never said anything about MMA or my opinion about it. Didn't even mention it. Yet u conclude something about me all by yourself in your own fantasy. Also you state that I'll ''come across the wrong person and be humbled ''. Lol seriously? You don't know anything about me dude. Besides that, neither this video nor the general discussion was about me so I'll take your frustration and attempts at insult as an admittance of your lack of knowledge and arguments. I wasn't even set out to make u look like a fool but u not-so-gracefully took it upon yourself to prove it to everybody and take away all doubt. That's quite amusing especially considering you call yourself 'zenmaster'. So I guess you don't even know what that is all about either. :) thanks for being entertaining, as in, you know, like a clown. Since u make it so clear you don't have any insightful comments or arguments but only immature fallacies, this discussion is over and you can go back to your homework.

[@dcutl]

I have studied Taekwondo, Karatedo, and Aikido and they are fine for self defense, but i always appreciate a different approach/perspective on martial arts. I really appreciate that you take the time to post these videos because i always learn something new. Thanks for sharing.

[@LugzPercy]

I wanted to learn a martial art when I was 14 and I have put it off for years because of money and I recently decided to go to a free Kung Fu taster lesson because of your (Jake Mace's) videos! I loved it so much, however money is stopping me getting to my local club even though it is amazing but your videos provide enough inspiration to keep me wanting to learn and I loved doing Kung Fu but hopefully one day I will be able to join a club full time and learn properly! Also my eating habits have changed after seeing you grow your own plants and use them for nutrition! I never ate fruit or vegetables at all and now I eat them everyday and it is making me healthier everyday too. That is why I would like to thank you Jake! You're a great inspiration, I will be a subscriber of yours until KZbin ends or until you stop making videos and even then I will go back and watch any videos I have missed before! :) Keep up the great work! :)

[@proctor7029]

What kind of Karate style is that ?? It looks more like Kickboxing

[@Ghostchanter]

Optimus Prime it basically was kickboxing lol - I used to study both 1 class after the other in the same day and the difference is night and day when you get to the nitty gritty of it

[@colingenereux]

That is a beautiful Kung Fu demonstration. You are a fine martial artist. Thank you for sharing this video.

[@RealKungFu]

Thank you Colin!

[@raymondtorres361]

my right ear is now a black belt. thank you so much.

[@twenty-onephandoms2155]

Being a traditional style karate 2nd degree black belt this was shaming he had bad form, bad balance and he choose bad moves. He wasn't even looking at his opponent.

[@beholdthekryptonite6695]

white people list Kung fu styles: -Aligator -cat -mouse -fish -bear -iron fist -mantis -crane -crouching tiger karate style: -hi ya -chop -scream out loud as you can -kick ass -black belt -chuck norris

[@twenty-onephandoms2155]

TheJofrica I would be mad, but that was funny as fuck😂

[@emmaflorentine]

THE PHANDOM IS EVERYWHERE

[@satejtawade]

Best channel for marshal art

[@Amencore]

Karate is too rigid. Kung Fu is free flowing.

[@PaladinswordSaurfang]

+Son Goku I've found the opposite. Then again there is such a thing as being too free flowing. Look up "drunken boxing".

[@flashkami7664]

+Frample Tromwibbler karate get hard on moment of impact so we are pretty relax in a fight lol cuz the more relax you are the better your technique will be

[@Supermomo2007]

opposite????? i can not remember that karate has internal training.

[@Supermomo2007]

relaxing is in all martial arts important.

[@israelgicheney3200]

The problem is not the horse, the problem is the jockey

[@mikheilesiava8048]

kung fu is better

[@rogueops100]

It's not about the martial art it's about the martial artist like someone said.

[@creepstar8771]

"...i believe in the power of the individual" This is true wisdom.

[@dpalmer197]

5:42 those are the worst chewdan punches ive ever seen

[@JetStrmSam]

donald palmer Oh big time!

[@jessicasalgado1492]

This is the GAYEST Karate I've EVER SEEN!

[@TheJimmybeatz]

Kung Fu is superior to Karate

[@saeedsaadati5517]

+Zenmaster Jared True. But non of them are so good as a delicious Biscuit.

[@evanmcclure4672]

Uranium_Roc you've been watching too much hong Kong cinema...

[@Leon-h7s]

So far, I've studied 'white crane kung fun... good training video... ruva

[@richardthomas1071]

Both are frauds

[@jonit7255]

thank you for being simple enough to understand but profound in wisdom !

[@hepzibah4573]

Gotta love all those keyboard kung fu masters in here.

[@Herowebcomics]

I like Karate,but Kung fu is the one for me! All thoes animal styles are so great! So Exotic!

[@Anten872]

This is bad kung-fu not useful in real situations. The other guy dies stiff Karate not used even in sport combats.

[@danielalfonsocedenocontrer6386]

I do not agree. Shaolin king fu I's considered one of the best.

[@trevbeats77]

..Done my first Karate lessong tonight. Cool Video Guys.

[@SirAwesomeVille]

Dude I want to thank you, I've always been into kungfu typed movies but not so long ago I started going to a shaolin kung fu school and started watching your videos 3-4 months ago. Perhaps you don't even bother reading this but if you do I want you to know that you've been a really big help for me and I like spreading your teachings to my friends and family. I hope you have a good day sir, thank you so much for the videos and keep up the good work, I speak for all of us when I say that I truly respect you!

[@RealKungFu]

Thank you so much Sir Awesomeville! I love comments like this! :) Train hard and have fun! :)

[@MonkeDLoopy]

That is a karate master? Sorry if I misunderstood, but his technique shows otherwise. If he isn't a master then I apologise. I know this is just for demonstration. -Peace

[@Michael-bk1db]

To be honest shotokan karate (what I train in) would win

[@Domnelsongmailcom]

Kyokushin is the superior form of karate.

[@eborge9711]

mike tags Against this guy? Definitely. Depends on the style of kung fu though. Shotokan (from what I've seen) seems territorial, however if you fought someone who does wing chun, it may make it more difficult to win.

[@WGandH]

mike tags It depends on the Kung Fu style, I train Kung Fu Fei In, and on the 1st training our teacher told the new students: "Do not expect to become fighters fast. A karate guy who has trained 2 years of karate would defeat a Kung Fu Fei In guy who has spent 2 yrs training that style. But, Karate is a lot more limited(I trained Shotokan, it is full of bullshit now that I know some real fighting moves), and after another year or two, the karate guy's improvement will have slowed a lot, and urs will be going even faster. You need to train years to become fighters and I wont give up on you." Fei In basically means flying eagle and has everything in it. And the more I learn from it the deeper it gets, and my imagination becomes better and better, I can recreate fights in my head like never before due to the moves I have learned. Although I havent trained for 3 months because my leg got operated I still want to train it and study it.

[@acidtechno]

mike tags I have 9 kyu in Shotokan, I agree. :) sorry the front kick esp was leg not tucked under rear to start with and hight level of head up and down movement and body motion moving back. Punches need to be more tucked in and rolled out loose then clench only on final. I think this video is some good help for basics ideas, but the basics here are not of Japan. Waltham abbey JKA Club UK basics 99% of the work in training even by made by Sensei each time it has to be correct or you cannot progress. I have not trained in 15 years and I remember what it is to make 9th Kyu for JKA 2 to 3 years training. 5+ times black belts at club will train basics for weeks or the complete time in their career it is not forgotten for anyone at any time. Good luck. Yes Shotokan is best effective.

[@xarlockshowtochannel1033]

mike tags Shotokan does not have San Chin kata. That is my sole reason for not liking it. Therefore DEATH TO SHOTOKAN! Also, learn about San Chin Kata from Goju, Isshin, or Shorin Ryu karate. Totally badass, and it will step up your game.

[@PcGameGold]

Naha-te, Shuri-te and Tomari-te were the original styles, Naha-te being hard and internal, Shuri-te being fast and flowing (more like Kung fu). The style I practiced was Shito-ryu which mixed both Naha-te and Shuri-te. Sorry to say but your opponents technique is very poor! Train more m8.

[@calebelino1518]

kung fu vs kickboxing! not karate

[@MitoCavernosoBSC]

+Calebe Lino It's Karate. Mae Geri is a blow of karate

[@jordanbrowne7417]

finnaly some who knows some kerate why did he say chodan when he punched to the smomach

[@MitoCavernosoBSC]

Exactly. Thank you.

[@laborah9703]

That's karate.

[@bennetting1609]

It’s karate, kick boxing isn’t that civilised.

[@buddy9200]

If you really want to know if your style is effective against others systems, visit other creditable schools/ styles and train with them for a few weeks. Sparr with them maintain an open mind. Don't mock what you don't know. Most older systems and methods of training are well rooted. New systems or concept are untried, not saying that not good just not practical for beginners. No bad style or disciplines just bad students or bad teachers or worst both! Pick a school that is close to home, and does not boast "Black Belt in 2yrs!" or "Guaranteed Black Belt". "Train for the fight you hope to never have". Q. How long does it take for the average person to earn a Black Belt? A. The average person never earns a Black Belt. Good luck to all. Shotokan Karate Do. 25yrs Oss.

[@ventusvanitas11]

Okay so I think that Kung Fu has quite a bit more depth than Karate overall, but this video doesn't do either of them justice, and the goal of the video is to obviously make the viewer think that Kung Fu is absolutely superior to Karate by all of the counters shown. But the thing that bothers me is that the guy made it seem like those animal kung fu counters belonged only to Kung Fu, yet I am familiar with those types of circular and angular movements found in Karate katas (series of movements) back when I practiced Karate. This vid could have seriously gone more in depth

[@MasterNinjaXz]

lol the karate guy is not an accurate projection of proper karate self defense. Come on Jake, you teach your own dojo and are probably a multilevel black belt, and you're using this guy who's probably not even Shodan.

[@bennetting1609]

I’ve been doing Karate for 7 years, since I was 7 years old , so to everyone who says “there the same thing”, there is a huge difference, more than you could ever imagine. (I’d be up for answering any questions asked to me as well)

[@lakshen47]

"Mas Oyama level iron toughness" - Took me a while to catch that you said this :D Nice reference, but that level of toughness is just shy of impossible ;)

[@leonharddoring6896]

As an Karateka this is not my Karate. This is just badly performed. Do not try to compare a master with someone who, jet, did not master his style or martial art.

[@thenukedgamer65]

i took karate and basic brazzilian jujitsu.what i was taught always in self defense and end as quickly as possible.first the 3 blocks were key to the move (not sure on name).high (head shot),mid (body shots),and low (low punchs and kicks).if the lets say tryed to punch to in the face you do a high block(rasie ur hand with the elbow bent at 90°,than follow through with a punch to the diafram (knock out air),or to the nose.if you go for the nose,u than move in for a shoulder flip. with the hand that just blocked u grab there hand,move ur punching hand from there nose to there armpit,and twist with a bit force lifting the armpit,and some force with pulling the arm. i go to highschool and this is a effective block hitstun takedown. once there on the ground many submissions can work seeing as u have there hand still with u.

[@JagWarGaming]

This is just ridiculous. All these "I would do this if he does that" silly theories sound nice until its time to use them in real time. No one has that level of reflexes. Fighting is chaotic, and ugly. Please dont try these moves in a real fight. It might work on drunken idiots who cant fight if their lives depended on it, but not on the average person and DEFINITELY not people who actually train.

[@yoanijosias]

Thats True 😂😂 only jiu-jitsu and judo Will come Out in a real Fight

[@stormrain5776]

Krav maga, improvised jeet kune do and filipino kali/ martial arts would be best for street fights (Just my opinion)

[@masterteddy7951]

To get this amount of reflexes u need some crazy training everyday man.

[@patrickcurtin4820]

If he is meant to know about karate why is his centre aliment all wrong and have such bad kicks and techniques this is a discreas

[@zerocoll20]

I think that movements doesn't work in a real fight against a karate fighter. You need a lot of energy and movement to accomplish these movements

[@NicSiawProductions]

But.. but... He was using sports Karate... not meant for the win meant for the control

[@carlosscollo4331]

As a Kung fu student who has been training since 2012 the Kung fu that was being used was very unorthodox.How about using some Xing Yi or Ba Gua

[@echosongc4922]

Cool techniques although it looks like the ground is very...slide-y with all those loose pebbles

[@freizagen]

The only animal style in kung-fu that can beat karate is Panda.

[@williamholsey]

sorry, I've also been trained in karate, that's not proper snap kick or punch technique

[@tanjudermanl9111]

Thank you very much Jake for this good example of some soft and circular movements from the animal styles of Kung fu, it gave me a really good idea to figure out some special moves of my Kung Fu style against mae geri, yoko geri and of course the straight Tsuki punch from Shotokan Karate....I am studying and take some lessons from Wing Tsun nowadays. My former styles were Karate Shotokan style (First Kyu Brown belt), Kickboxing (Third Dan), Taekwondo (First Dan). Your moves took really my intention to study the classic animal styles of Kung fu,,,,,, Thank you so much for this awesome piece of workout, it gave me a little idea for the inspiration to get deeper to the roots. My next style will be the the Wudang system. I subscribed to channel and looking forward to other videos from you with similar theories and comparative movements of antagonistic fighting styles. Go further dear Sifu.

[@ivyripple6697]

I do karate so I knew all the Japanese names. Hoping I can learn Kung Fu some day!

[@eboxcomgr]

Wrong video title. You should rename it to "how to avoid kicks and punches kung fu training"

[@Heimdal001]

"How to avoid kicks and punches with spins and shit". There wasn't any legitimate kung fu in there either.

[@daveking3020]

I very much appreciate your efforts to keep traditional martial arts alive!

[@pooryparkour2952]

you should be as fast as a lightening to do these moves,that's for sure

[@enlightenedpeacock5568]

I have developed a system of kungfu based on study of peacocks in my backyard. Peacock is the most lethal predator in nature, and I am the king of all peacocks.

[@cega5000]

+Kung Fu & Tai Chi Center w/ Jake Mace, thank you for this great video. This is the sort of cooperation that I'd like to see more of between different styles. Really enjoyed the effort put in to show the different angle takes to showcase the techniques and the explanations to support them. And also nice work with the great looking location you guys picked, even though I know how hard it can be to do these demonstration with running shoes and a gravel surface haha. Would you guys mind now trying the reverse of these techniques? i.e. the most "common" Kung Fu techniques and allow Spencer Hinde to use Karate to block and counter? As a Karateka I'd be very interested. Cheers!

[@SIG442]

With lower back pain all my life I likely will never be able to try any of that.

[@Yautja297]

Okay, so i've been practicing karate for 6 years, so i'll just take the liberty of commenting here :D the "black tiger turns the body" you also also have in karate. looks very similar too. It would be calles something like Te-otoshi Uke in a Neko ashi dachi followed by a teisho, seiryuuto or shuto uchi in a sochin dachi (atleast you second stance looks similar to that one). I think that one should not let his development be constricted by a system, but that he should take techniques from different schools even to complete his own style of fighting.

[@yashyaduvanshi6377]

Kung fu is the best technique and I am practicing it from 3yrs

[@Oscar-vh3if]

I'm curious about your Kong Fu teacher because I've learnt a lot of Fung Fu skills.

[@mr.vlogger2.083]

Kungfu and Karate, are both equal... It depends on practise and hard work

[@jaycrawford3675]

This guy's terrible at karate his technique is all over the place

[@armanibiceps2719]

Bruce Lee a Kung Fu practioner sayed: dont fear the man With 1000 tequniques, fear the Dude WHO practise one tequnique 1000 Times. And thats an Advantage of Karate. its simplicity is Sometimes one of its Advantages.

[@kikokikeniko]

Be careful around the cholla cactus. I got stuck by one on the foot. Thinking I got all the bards out..2 months later I found out I was wrong. I was cringing everything u did a spin move, thinking you might get stuck. I love your videos, Saying hello from Las Vegas NV.

[@RealKungFu]

I was thinking the same thing! We were joking together while filming that a real Kung Fu Master would just throw some jumping cholla at the Karate Master and be done with it!!! :)