Kurt’s Big Problem with Wild Turkey 101-What Changed?

[@slbdrinks]

What’s your take on Wild Turkey 101? Do you think it’s changed over the years or is it just us? Let us know your thoughts below! Cheers 🥃

[@jonathanmelton5756]

I go through about two bottles of 101 a year and yes, there is definitely something different about the most recent batches.

[@1030Blake]

I do think something is going on as well. Granted, it was a couple of airplane shots…but the last time I had it they just weren’t good. Having said that, I had some from a bottle at a bar that presumably had been sitting there for a while(more of a beer oriented bar) and it was delicious.

[@Fatherrick1963]

Not something I usually do in the a.m., but I tried a nip of my 101 bottle which has about 1/3 left in it. Can’t read the lazer code because it partially overlaps the date line, but the date line says 2023/10/26 16 It tastes okay to me, but that’s just me. 🤔

[@pauljenkin]

Is it possible they lowered the average age of the whiskey? To account for all of the 8 year required for the 70th anniversary release?

[@gaborbognarnagy]

Not just the 101 sadly...The rare breed taste also different, bottle to bottle :( And the oldest was the most delicous.

[@brandonrathbun4318]

This video is perfect timing. I just opened a new WT 101 yesterday and thought it tasted off

[@MRpapageorgeo1]

I found the new label WT 101 tastes different than the old label. You are not wrong.

[@pdgoblue2518]

Completely agree, I stopped buying it and switched to Benchmark single barrel

[@Odessian]

@@pdgoblue2518 Benchmark is solid. The sweetness, bitter citrus rind, and oaky spicyness combo is not my preferred flavor profile but it's unique enough to me that it's grown on me. I prefer Benchmark SiB, Full Proof, Bond, and SmB over the E.H. Taylor counterparts.

[@pdgoblue2518]

@@Odessian I won't buy Elijah Craig anymore now that it costs as much as Woodford

[@jondilly1974]

Playing flip cup in the outfield is pure Trenton gold

[@geland1]

I would agree that WT101 and Rare Breed have changed a little, but I kind of chalk it up to batch variation. I also notice that some days a bourbon I like just isn’t hitting for me for whatever reason.

[@ericepperson8409]

Bourbon Junkies recently did a blind where they were shocked by how bad their newer bottle of WT 101 did. Personally I think the recent release of the 70th WT probably used up a lot of the better quality bottles that would have gone into rounding out 101.

[@rrkaminski9]

Oh yeah - I didn't even make that connection!

[@pointblank748]

That's some good stuff for $50

[@jziemann]

Yes, completely agree. I was about to make the same suggestion.

[@Sb69minis]

I picked up a bottle at the distillery last month and it was really good

[@scottmattern482]

@@ericepperson8409 I have heard that they are coming out with an 8 year aged bourbon that will be on the shelves all the times, not just the 70th anniversary bottles. I'm guessing the older barrels that used to be part of 101 are being used for other products and it's just a clever way to raise prices without raising prices.

[@RandyKildow]

Think about this: Each new year's batch is produced with a new crop of grains. The strains of yeast can evolve to a certain extent. Each season's barrels can possibly come from different plots of oak trees. The variables can come from nature, and the distiller can only control so much. Then, the weather surrounding the rick houses may be different from year to year. Nothing is ever exactly the same.

[@Lumbiejack]

You are 100% correct. But the change came with the new label. Everything before was the same, and all the new stuff is the same but the old label and new label dont taste the same from what Ive seen. But Im not a big turkey fan and not a $20 bottle fan so have nothing of personal experience to add

[@Jamison-]

Nah, this isn’t flavor drift. This is sending better barrels to other products vs the cheap offering.

[@billsedutto8824]

The Master Distiller’s job is to blend barrels from different years in order to avoid flavor differences from year to year batches and produce a consistent product year after year. Sadly I think it has more to do with using better barrels for the limited releases.

[@Chris-de2qc]

Just like early times.....sad.

[@joekirk7909]

To me, Wild Turkey has always been king of bourbon. I wonder if the bigger distilleries such as WT are putting too much effort into their limited releases at the expense of their regular shelf items.

[@DaveH8905]

They absolutely are.

[@jdsboomin529]

I agree as well. In 2016 I started drinking WT101 when I was broke cuz it was 14.99 at my liquor store, I was shocked at how good it was and I’ve continued to keep it in my bar over the years even though rare breed and Russel’s SiBs have become more regular pours for me. I feel like the last couple bottles of 101 I’ve had just taste like cinnamon and sugar with nothing else. It’s missing the vanilla and maybe the nuttiness plus some of the other spices that I feel like it used to have. it used to be more complex if my memory is correct. They do put out many more single barrels and specialty releases so I can see how the better juice would go to those. I’m not sure if I’d put it in that best of value pours category anymore 😢

[@scottmattern482]

I wonder if their lower end products took a hit in quality/age, in order to keep up with demand.

[@tontobb8956]

They probably can’t keep up with supply

[@Big_Kool]

It’s definitely my go to

[@jonwiebusch8734]

I have a extra 1.75 of 101 that was bottled in October in 2019 and a old label 1920 if needed. The old label 101 is very different. I personally am starting to wonder if when Campari bought them in 09 changed the flavor. They changed the fermenters to stainless steel along with other things.They use to use wood fermenters. They tore them down and now that is the bottling site. The reason I think Russell's 15 is so good is that those barrels were made with the wood fermenter at the old location. This also could get back to why new 101 isn't as good. It's possible old 101 has some of those old location barrels mixed in. They would have been roughly 10 years and older.

[@jeffmiller3150]

The Kickin' Chicken 🐔!!🥃

[@billsedutto8824]

That’s pretty insightful thinking. I think you are on to something.

[@JordanG_3031]

SLB Classics 0:03 we are starting with Trenton’s favorite! 0:23 rub the $50 dollar salt in Trenton’s wound 0:45 nice guy Dan H.! 1:19 Trenton is still clueless 1:52 what’s wrong with the turkey? Apparently it’s always been mid 2:35 buy more WT, twist Kurt’s arm 3:26 these “classic bourbons” are degrading :( 4:30 Kurt’s nervous tick, keep rolling the glass 5:38 some Turkey products need their respect 6:29 WT expert input is requested 6:56 there’s definitely meaning… we just have no idea what it is 7:59 Trenton would’ve eaten the sour patch kids off the dugout bench (same) 8:33 a story time about Trenton’s baseball career 9:52 ok, back to business 10:15 Trenton tries to insert the mind noodle 11:14 Kurt’s hopes are quickly dashed 12:01 more disappointment:( 12:16 shout out to @rarebird101 12:46 the conspiracy theories are starting 14:42 something Trenton has probably done to grow his palette 14:59 we do care what you think Kurt! 16:15 wrap up and conclusions 16:30 the sad truth about starter budget bottles😢 17:05 little eyebrow dance to help Trenton read 17:56 Kurt is getting excited but still sad about the new WT101 18:29 everything is up from here! 18:42 sneak peak!! 3v3😮 (dark horse) 20:02 nice sign off and nod

[@minnesotakid6379]

I can agree with your suspicions. Had a 2022, WT 101 that I killed off this week and it was delicious. Bought a 2024 (LL/ME) which I tried last night and it pretty much had the same notes you guys described in the video. Not sure which of you said "Expo Marker" but that was spot on. I had a bunker bottle of 101 from Sept 23 and I just opened that and it's still the good juice. Keeping that one for sipping now.

[@jspack71]

I have found the same thing with the old forester 1920, was my favorite bottle but something has definitely changed with it as well

[@fat_basturd5345]

My 1920 hasn’t changed at all.

[@Brad_Boersma]

Classy move, Dan. Well done. 👍🏻

[@nickp5511]

Nice video! I started my journey two years ago and I really didn’t enjoy WT 101 or Kentucky Spirit very much at all. I really enjoy the Rare Breed and all the Russell’s lineup. So I’m no help on this subject. That being said the next video sounds great and I’m ready to watch! Cheers!

[@gzin33]

This video makes me feel better. I thought maybe my taste changed on my latest bottle. It is nice to know it was not just me. I am trying to find a new regular buy but it isn't all bad because I am trying brands I never tried because I was just buying Wild Turkey. There are many brands I found that I really like but the price can get a bit crazy for some.

[@nancywells6540]

I have noticed the change also. I’ve been a 101 fan for years and thought it was just me.

[@travisrobeson306]

Enjoyed the show! Just wait on the WT 101 8 year, coming soon!!!!!

[@keithbertrand8843]

thank you guys! this is some good PSA. turkey should be held accountable if they have sacrificed quality on the classic.

[@ChuckyLarms]

Bourbon shrinkflation: WT 70 is the old “real” 101 and the current 101 is the new lesser product

[@motohead077]

Yup, that's what I've been saying, too.

[@hookshankhewitt5615]

Man I got the Turkey 70th anniversary edition Saturday here in Ohio, and its one of the best bottles I have had.

[@Sb69minis]

I agree. I picked one up at the distillery and I thought it was going to be some marketing scam but that sh*t was great!

[@leifd731]

I went to pick one up, it was $150! I guess I won't be tasting that one anytime soon.

[@hookshankhewitt5615]

@leifd731 dang! It's not 150 good. I would pay a little more for it again but not that. What state are you in?

[@manitobuckles]

Easily my favourite -- go to pour. Sounds like trouble in paradise, Kurt! Cant wait to watch after work.... Cheers from Winnipeg! 🥃

[@TheMNbassHunter]

One beef I have with Wild Turkey is that some of the best stuff isn't even available in the US. Why can't we get the 12yr or the unfiltered Rare Breed?!

[@motohead077]

We can NOT get those in the U.S. market

[@kevinowens8596]

I agree with you 100%

[@FakingANerve]

Probably for the same reason we can't get Evan Williams 12 year (outside of the overpriced Experience shop bottle) - they can't make enough for the US market. Then again, they could do what Evan Williams did... hyper-limited release at 3X+ the Japanese price. 🙄

[@OnlyDrams-ro]

Well if it makes you feel better, here in Australia those are the only reasonably priced very high quality bottles we CAN get. We get none of the lower priced, high quality pours that you guys get day in day out. If I want to try something like ECBP or Stagg or anything like that, I pay 400-700 aud. so I’m grateful to the turkeys for the 12 & the NCF

[@TheMNbassHunter]

@@OnlyDrams-ro That's an interesting perspective. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side, huh?! 😄

[@maxmedina853]

This episode is why I chase older label bottles. Rare Breed and 101 alike FYI - my latest 101 showed a discernable difference. From 101 being rated a 8.3 for me to a 7.5

[@billsnyder1067]

For budget bourbon hard to beat the new Jim Beam 7. WT 101 has been a mixer for me. Drink what you like and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

[@dellh86]

Jim Beam 7 has honestly replaced WT100 for me. I only tried the Jim Beam because of Internet hype and it's cheapness. It blew my expectations out of the water.

[@BrandonTWills]

White label Beam is better than WT101. Heck any Beam product is better than WT101. If you are going WT get Russel’s Reserve.

[@faintestcarpet]

I did really enjoy JB7 for the price. Very decent product for the money.

[@RandalErickson-hb5vr]

The 2003 WT dusty I opened tastes so much better than the current WT 101.

[@julianirving9868]

Gents a fascinating watch. In the UK, WT 101 costs circa $50 to get and I have been disappointed with the last few bottles I have bought, all with the new label. Your video and other comments shows me it's not just me. Sadly it is now time for a change when I fancy a bourbon

[@djpandsmm]

Your paying far too much, it’s often on offer in Tescos for £24.50 or £25, which is approx $31

[@julianirving9868]

@ thx for message

[@danielhelbling9850]

I thought the same thing and sent a message to the company. It tasted like grain alcohol with a bad burn. Very little barrel flavor.

[@spencerjcolling]

The problem is batching. Legacy distilleries have become very consistent on blending flavors together to create near identical batches BUT they aren’t perfect. For example, last year I bought a friend a bottle of WT 101 in December and we had just finished his previous bottle. The new bottle had a strong smokey aroma that we have never noticed with other bottles. It also wasn’t as sweet. Much more savory flavors. The new batch of Russell’s 10 has everyone excited because they mixed older barrels. My first bottle of Buffalo Trace was garbage but I’ve tried a few others since and I now understand the appeal. I’ve even done a side by side comparison of my bottle to someone else’s and the difference was very noticeable.

[@michaellanglie5502]

you have the OG label of 101 behind you !!

[@Odessian]

That bottle if it is the 101 then that would be much older (1970's-2000's) and is vastly different. The other wild turkey bottles appear to be 12 year 1980's label to 2000's and the newer 2020's 12 year label. They're talking about the contrast from the more recent label change from the 2010's to the newer 2020's. I def can blind taste the difference between the newer 101 and the newer 12 from the 2010's ones and i prefer the older ones. Not all whiskey and brands taste better with age to me but imo WT def does

[@therinsig]

With the creation of a couple new 8 year products (the 70th anniversary and the age stated 8 year that has a TTB label going around) I'm wondering if they're making regular 101 a predominantly 5-6 year bourbon instead of 6-8 year like it usually has been. This would allow them to use the 8 year stock for bottles that have a higher retail price. Kinda sucks, but that could be what's happening here.

[@FakingANerve]

I mean... the maths math and the scheduling is suspect! I think that's a very reasonable explanation.

[@drrobert8678]

I totally agree. My last WT 101 bottle kill was not replaced, and I have no plans to. The last bottle did seem different, like something was off. Without starting another debate by naming names, I have other 101 proof point bottles in the same price range that have been good substitutes.

[@timquinn980]

I will say that the more recent turkey 101 bottles I've had just didn't strike me as the Turkey I've known and loved for the past 40 years!

[@dustinpulliam9262]

Old forester 1910 is a perfect example for me of a bottle that I loved and something changed recently. Emptied my last bottle of it that I bought over a year ago and got a new one a couple months back. The new one doesn’t come close it’s a shell of its former self.

[@ozarkelmo]

My experience with 1910 as well!

[@camdenhochgesang6554]

I haven’t experienced any decline in 1910. If anything I like it more.

[@Mortalis2]

One of my first bourbons once I move to Kentucky was recommended by you a couple years ago, Henry McKenna. YOu gushed over it as being delicious and wonderful. I went a local liquor store, found it and bought it for &80+ dollars. It was the worst bourbon I had ever tasted. Couldn't even use it in mixers. It was a drain pour. After watching a few other reviews on the McKenna I watched one that questioned whether they had received a bad bottle and blinded the 'bad' botrtle with a new bottle and sure enough they even noted how bad the one bottle was. I will never buy another McKenna again.

[@camdenhochgesang6554]

I’ve heard McKenna 10 is hit or miss, but I’ve only had hitters. However, it’s just hard to justify 80. But I’ll always keep 1 around.

[@GerthBrooks-1985]

You’re right about the Sharpie marker flavor. I get a lot of Willett vibes, and it’s not good. I really like WT, outside of that. WT101 didn’t used to taste like this. It is with this new label too!

[@scottschumacher1585]

Great video guys!

[@raluboon]

I started my bourbon journey at the beginning of this year, and your channel has been a guiding light for my exploration. WT101 was an easy place to start, and I've consistently enjoyed it. I've since gone deeper and wider in my purchases, but I try to always have a bottle of 101 on hand. I haven't noticed any significant depreciation in the quality of it in this short time, but I have noticed that I tend to like bourbons with a lower rye content. So maybe in that way, I have come to like other bottles a lot more, and I probably have lowered my opinion of WT101 subconsciously. For me, it's a bottle to have around so I don't drink my nicer bottles. But for that purpose, I think it's fantastic. I can't think of anything else for the price that I would rather have in that role.

[@markmasercola3958]

Try the Benchmark line. I believe their mash bill has less rye than WT more in line with regular Buffalo Trace.

[@raluboon]

@@markmasercola3958 Here in town, all I can get is the Benchmark "old no. 8", which is okay, and sometimes I can get the Benchmark Bonded, which is significantly better. The bonded is straight up butterscotch to me. It's very tasty. When I can get it, I definitely will.

[@thetr00per30]

The WT 101 8 year is fantastic though, I was lucky enough to find two bottles, I am very pleased with it. I am glad to hear they are releasing it on a ongoing basis now.

[@mikeutech]

I had a couple 200ml bottles from LL/GG which was a 12yo batch from a couple years ago. My wife and I both noticed the contrast in profile from that bottle to a brand new one. Given the 70th 8year that just came out, and the new 8year stated labels that were posted recently I am suspicious that the standard 101 is some younger barrels.

[@grinner68]

I have also thought the taste profile of WT101 has changed in the past few years. Not horrible, but also not as good. Thanks for the confirmation. I still use it for cocktails, but not for sipping.

[@christophergilbert4338]

I just recently got a new bottle and was wondering the same thing. It seemed off to me compared to my previous one. I already threw out my old bottle, so I'm not sure about the number, but I can check my new one. I figured it was me since I hadn't had it in a month or so, but I'm guessing I was right in thinking it was different. I honestly have been grabbing Green River more often lately.

[@tomfrengillo]

Felt the same thing about a new bottle of 1920 recently bought. I have a bottle that is two years old, has won many of my blinds. The new bottle finished last in a full OF lineup. And very hot at that.

[@fredc.meekinsjr.5553]

101 used to be my go to for mixed drinks. My last purchases have been Old Forrester 100 and Jim Beam 7 year. Getting Jim Beam 7 at $28 for a 1.75 liter makes that an easy decision.

[@Brad-ic4bp]

101 was also my cocktail bourbon, until I switched to Old Grandad Bonded. Just prefer it more than 101 straight in a glass.

[@loribeasley1956]

Thanks for the video. I have always loved WT 101; it was my go-to for budget bourbon but the last bottle was off to me. I thought perhaps my taste buds were off, I waited and tried it a month later with no change in taste. Last bottle for me.

[@RuSalas]

Over the years, I’ve noticed a significant impact of air on bourbon, as it oxidizes once opened-something most of us are aware of but often overlook. However, it's important to remember that lower-proof bourbons tend to oxidize more quickly. To preserve your whiskey, consider gassing your bottles with an inert gas like argon or wine preserver ( a can with yellow top). Here’s an experiment to illustrate: Open two single barrel picks of Buffalo Trace. Pour a few drinks from one and leave it ungassed. Then, 20-30 days later, compare it to a freshly opened bottle. You’ll likely notice a distinct difference in taste and aroma. Some bottles are particularly prone to noticeable changes. For example, 1792 Sweet Wheat can change in just a week, and many double-oaked bourbons (especially at lower proofs) show rapid shifts. Other bottles like Elmer T. Lee, Blanton’s, and E.H. Taylor also oxidize quickly if not properly stored. As for Wild Turkey 101, while it was my go-to bourbon for years when bar selections were limited, I’ve noticed changes in its profile over time. With the exception of standout editions like the 70th Anniversary and the Japanese 12-year, I’ve largely stopped buying it-both for home and at bars.

[@DrWarbird]

Wine preserver will change the flavor. I've tried it. Creating a vacuum works.

[@RuSalas]

@DrWarbird no issues here.

[@mattschmitt9924]

Your experiment sounds interesting. Fresh cracks often are harsh to me so I could see that those 2 bottles would be different. To add to the experience you could do 3 bottles. One stays closed. One is like you said with some pours taken and not gassed. The last would have some pours taken and then gassed. I would be curious to experience the difference in the unopened vs the gassed or even vacuum sealed. I feel whiskey, like wine, usually benefits from some oxidation. Different types need or can stand different levels of oxidation. Obviously this can go too far and ruin the juice. Good reason to drink your bottles.

[@RuSalas]

@mattschmitt9924 my rule is, if it's good at fresh crack, gas or vacuum it. Finding that sweet spot does take time.

[@DrWarbird]

@@RuSalas The wine preserver I tried made it taste flat and watered down after about 6 months of "preserving". It was an aerosol can with a purple cap. I find a vacuum will keep it as is basically forever.

[@justinv548]

With higher demand for rare breed, the massive jimmy russell drop and some of the step ups in the 10 and 15 year one might expect that younger whiskey had to go into the cheaper offerings

[@donknott]

Now I have to look at the codes for WT 101, just great. In the past, I never had to worry about that.

[@motohead077]

@@donknott Not really. ALL the new labels are bad & some of the old labels are bad, too. You 1st have to find the old label & then look at the dates & find something bottled before 1-20-2021. Not sure exactly when the cut-off date is, so buy the oldest. Know for sure, that 1-20-2021 to present is the bad 101.

[@Joseph-n5w9b]

Covid changed my ability to taste for ever

[@robertschroeder1978]

Kurt, I personally enjoy my Turkey 101 as my regular go to in the budget friendly line. I haven't had any issues with the bottles purchased in the past three months. Not sure on the lot numbers though. Trenton, well everything tastes link tree branches, swamp grass, marks or something.... (Smiles & Laughter) Thanks for the video gentleman.

[@benmentock6895]

I'm glad I'm not going crazy. 101 was my staple bourbon to sip on... cheap price and I enjoyed it. My most recent couple bottles had seemed off to me and I really wasn't enjoying it. I thought maybe it had something to do with the fact that I had been leaning toward more barrel proofs as of late and that maybe it had shifted my palette. This seems to confirm my suspicions that the recent bottles are just off from their previous consistency in profile. Rare Breed has been my go to since 101 took a dive for me. The price just isn’t near as easy to stomach.

[@joshbeasley21]

Crazy seeing this video when I just had a bottle of WT101 around 3 weeks ago with a bitter flavor I wasn't used to. It was a 750ml bottle, I usually get 1L or 1.75. I have purchased another bottle since then and it tastes like normal turkey. WT 101 is usually extremely consistent.

[@Lilx10do]

3:28 I’m really curious to know whether you guys think the lights are affecting the bottles. Some people say they do and some people say they don’t. 😅

[@motohead077]

Not sure if this video was in response to the info in the comments I have been putting out on multiple vids & channels about the significant decline of WT101 & Rare Breed since 2021 or before. I was the only one commenting on that for 101, though it could just be a 'coincidence'. Others have also commented/posted on Rare Breed's decline. For those that haven't read it, will share what I know below & hopefully some others can share what they know to fill in the gaps for all of us that would like to know exactly when WT 101 (and Rare Breed) went "bad". Had a lot of 101 up to ~2016 & then none until 2024. Thought it tasted MUCH better back in 2016, though did not have any to check. So I learned how to find the bottling date printed on every bottle & was on the hunt for a WT "dusty". FYI; you can't go by the bottle design or label when trying to source the whiskey inside. ONLY the bottling date is relevant and you will see why below. In Aug 2024 got lucky & found six WT 101 750mL bottles on the shelf, all with the old label. Checked the dates & there was one bottled 10-17-2017 & five bottled 1-20-2021. So I bought one of each date. *Did extensive blind tasting with four different WT 101 bottles; those two old label WT 101 above & two new labels, bottled 11/4/2022 & 4/6/2023. After 3+ blind tastings from Glencairns, here is what I found; The juice bottled on 10-17-2017 was significantly & very noticeably better than the other three. It was no contest. The 2017 dusty is at least twice as good on nose & palate & there were no off putting nutty notes, like there is on the newer stuff. All the other 3 tasted the same. Note that includes the old label bottle, bottled on 1-20-2021. So, sometime before WT switched labels AND before 1-20-2021, is when they started putting in the lower quality juice. If anyone has bottles between those dates, please post some info, so we can narrow in on when exactly the last good 101s were bottled. Remember; just hunting for old labels will not get you the old/great juice, you can only find that by the bottling date. Just some background; By no means am I an expert or even sensitive taster. So for me to say something is 2Xs as good as another whiskey, it has to be very obvious. People with more trained palates & noses would likely find greater differences in these WT 101 batches. Cheers & good luck on the hunt!

[@pumagutten]

Kurt, I purchased my first 101 Wild Turkey in April 2020. It was fantastic! The last bottle I purchased in October 2023 was not as good. The last one was with the new label. You might have a point!

[@HarryPowers-y1r]

I'm fairly new to the bourbon world. I got a bottle of 101 a month ago after hearing a lot of good things about it. I was very disappointed. Wasn't overwhelmed by Rare Breed either. I do, however, really enjoy Rare Breed Rye. I'll keep the 101 for mixers. Thanks, gents!

[@fredc.meekinsjr.5553]

I was in a local liquor store last week, and the clerk that has advised me on a number of bottles over the last few months actually told me that Wild Turkey 101 has taken a real nose dive in quality. I also just watched another KZbin video comparing Russels Reserve 10 year LL/ME to two other batches. There were noticeable differences between the 3 batches with the LL/ME winning by a mile. Just goes to show that there can be substantial variation between batches of the same whiskey. Bottom line, if you find a bottle you really like, go back and by a few of those same laser coded bottles.

[@redk8917]

Get two old bottles and do a four way blind with the new bottles.

[@RobbbbC]

You have to find the ones with laser code JK/420 that was bottles right after they did the single rickhouse bottles and the new guy forgot to rinse the bottling line.

[@thrmoz456]

I prefer LOL/69

[@ChristopherNeeme]

WT-F/911 is the laser code not to sleep on out there now

[@run-a-milekyle3835]

My 101 I bought a year ago tastes fine to me. Going to crack open the 70th anniversary bottle I got while on vacation to compare soon.

[@b1gsteve251]

I’ve had over a dozen bottles from Binny’s and Woodman’s in Illinois, Walmart in Indiana, Total Wine and a couple of my local store here in East central Wisconsin and I can say for fact that none of them have tasted off profile like what y’all are describing. I ain’t no young buck either, but all my other whiskey tastes how it should. It’s gonna be interesting to see y’all do this taste through. Cheers, y’all 🥃

[@michaelrobertson8791]

Thank you! I love 101 and the last couple bottles has not been the same! No caramel tasty ness ! Yes it taste Jim Bean !

[@borgcutus5780]

I had been using WT101 as my "everyday" blender, and also to have a sip of occasionally. I had a similar experience with the last bottle I had purchased (early 2024), and just used the remainder for cocktails. Since then, I went back to using OF 100 for that purpose, and recently have been using Beam 7yr as my blender and regular sipper (with a rock for me).

[@SirJabsAlot]

I personally love the Wild Turkey profile. I love all Wild Turkey and my first love was 101 rye.

[@user-YouTuber22]

We had lots of mild weather over the past 8 years since I moved to the area. That could have contributed.

[@FakingANerve]

We've had record breaking heat year after year over the last decade. That definitely changes how barrels age!

[@TheWoolyninja4]

The bottle I have has been on the shelf for nearly a year but I always felt WT101 was a cinnamon/baking spice and peanut bomb. I don't mind it by itself but its a go to in any of my cocktails that favor that spice flavor.

[@FliesGoodbyes]

I can't really say much since I got it on your recommendation. I do appreciate your honesty tho. I was questioning if our palets were just that far off.

[@roberthazard7539]

I used to like Wild Turkey 101 but my current daily pour is is Evan Williams Bottled in Bond. The EWBIB is also much less expensive in my area. Thanks.

[@hanszaan7051]

Thx again for the video, I bought my first Wild Turkey after your earlier videos and just checked the lasercode, thankfully it is not a LLLJ or LLME, but ofcourse I have no idea if it tastes `normal`or not lol

[@randallflores-qr8cs]

I usually buy a bottle of WT 101, and a bottle of Captain Morgan, right before thanksgiving (they last me all year) , this was a let down to hear. Any suggestions on a replacement in the same price range?

[@motohead077]

@@randallflores-qr8cs The major decline to 101 happened prior to 1-20-2021, so if you have been liking anything bottled after that date, it will be the same or very close. Note; those are the bottling dates. The purchase date does not matter one bit. A store could have something today that was bottled 10 years ago.

[@JimboGrace81]

I recently bought some 101 after a while of being out. I personally thought it was better than I remembered. I was getting the sweetness with the sweet/sour characteristic and the nice barrel char. I actually drank it side by side with JDSBBP and i enjoyed the 101 over that pour. I also have Early Times BIB but don’t really like it.

[@jeffreymccoy5770]

Used to be one of my favorites….. I noticed the change when the label changed as well and just thought it was my palate changing I tried another bottle recently just before I watched this and I’m convinced the depth of flavor and profile had changed for the worse … I won’t be purchasing more once this bottle is finished it’s that different

[@nighthawk05]

No, you guys are onto something. My girlfriend bought a bottle last month, and it tastes nothing like any previous bottle of WT 101 I've had. The bottle I have tastes like cardboard. Another day I put an ice cube in it, and it tasted like cinnamon and cardboard. I was struggling to drink it, and I've always loved WT 101. It's been my favorite budget bourbon for a while. I hope we got a few bad bottles, and this isn't just what it's like now

[@shoot2thrillp2k]

I have 2 of the previous label's bunkered away. I'll be opening one of them when my son turns 21 (19ish years from now)

[@DavidHendershot-g5g]

Since the 70th anniversary came out I’ve not picked up the regular WT101 Looking forward to the regular 8yr release next yr.

[@goose7782]

My first wild turkey 101 bottle I bought back in mid 2022, and I fell in love with it. Ever since they changed to the new label I can’t drink it anymore. I’ve tried 3 different bottles of 101 since they came out with the new label and all of them are worse than what I remember from the old label.

[@scotteisenbraun1581]

About four months ago my 1.75 of 101 was down to the last few ounces. It was less than 2 weeks old, but was pale like lite beer and tasted sour and flat. I drink it straight. Threw it out and went to Knob Creek since then. The wife me another WT 101 again, which I am now drinking. Not as bad as the last bottle but not what I used to love either.

[@BW-pr8qr]

Do you have teenagers?

[@scotteisenbraun1581]

@@BW-pr8qr Not anymore, but I see where your going with that.

[@TheWhiskeyRambler]

My guess would be that the really good barrels and the older barrels that would normally go into standard 101 where diverted to the 70th anniversary release so that and I’ve heard the 8 year age statement is going to be continued release, so I’d be willing to bet the standard 101 may take a hit in quality for a while.

[@motohead077]

Yes, that could explain it getting even worse, but that doesn't explain what happened sometime before 1-20-2021. Check my post here for details.

[@Richie.Z]

The LL/ME Russell’s Reserve 10 Year bottles are great!

[@jameskeating1952]

I have had a very similar experience with several bottles of WT this year, including the 70 year pour. Always liked WT in the past….

[@hoobeydoobey1267]

I found a 1983 decanter WT101. It is phenomenal. This was a time when WT101 was all I drank. I don't recall 101 being this rich. Either due to memory or the Russells put the better barrels in the decanters. It's better than the best RR SiB's I've had. WT changed when the AN8 was dropped in favor of Old Number 8. Then that too was dropped. It's a much younger bbn now. Funky taste: I have 3 Virginia ABC pics, different warehouses, different distillation and bottling dates. All are LL/ME. All have a funky flavor that no one can describe. To me, they're undrinkable. A few friends love the one bottle and don't get much of that funky flavor. Another friend recently bought a WR RB with LL/ME and it has that funky flavor to the nth degree. I recently found a RR SiB LL/ME and it's phenomenal. It tastes old. But with 3 VABC picks being so bad, I'm scared to buy another.

[@stairman53219]

Found two bottles of 2019 vintage 101 in Wi. Big difference! Pretty close to the Jimmy Russell 70 release.

[@benc5239]

Part of the change for me has been finding other bottles that are better for the price. I would rather have a Still Austin over a 1920. A Coopers Craft 100 over a WT 101.

[@FakingANerve]

Oh, yeah. Still Austin vs 1920? Pshhh! I would hesitate to degrade Still Austin by even comparing it to 1920. 😂🥃

[@DaveTheWaveUSMC1]

I have to agree that the newer label bottles are lacking. I've been a WT fan for a long time. Thank you for bringing this up so I know I'm not crazy.

[@oggaspack7971]

Thank you for making this. I agree! But most people i know look at me like im crazy for not liking wild turkey

[@bryanmacb]

Wild turkey 101 was my go to for years. a year or two ago I remembered getting a bottle I could barely drink. Thought I just got a bad batch. Bought another and same. thought my tastes evolved, but apparently I wasn’t the only one. Haven’t tried it since.

[@bughjr1]

I noticed a change in WT 101 a couple years ago with your first flight sent out with the nice box. I thought it was a little off then. I pulled out my bottle from 2019 to compare. There was a noticeable difference to me. I felt like the old bottle had older stock of whiskey maybe? Just overall a better pour.

[@chriscohen5788]

I remember when my son came out as vodka drinker. The initial disappointment was overwhelming. Then I saw him enjoying a cosmopolitan and he looked truly happy. So for a father seeing his son truly happy made me happy and I realized that love is love. Plus with bourbon prices being so high I’m happy he’s become a cheap date. I hope this helps you.

[@mattlindberg2843]

Could WT have pulled out the best barrels for the 70th Anniversary release, leaving younger, less desirable product for the 101 batch?

[@argensardefs6004]

After all the glowing reviews i finally got myself some 101 as its one of the better priced bourbons here where i live. i found it so offensive i poured the bottle down the sink :/ maybe wt ships their bad barrels to australia but i’ll gladly stick to elijah craig from now on

[@user-zx8de8op9l]

I have had one bottle bought about March 31, 2023. Having never having the old label, I thought my bottle was fine, as I used mostly to mix with soda.

[@markrohrig9877]

I think that WT 8 year (that is coming to the domestic market) is impacting the current 101 releases. Some distillate is being diverted for that and some barrels were diverted into the 70th Anniversary. edition.

[@gabrieltiso8537]

The bottle of 101 I bought is used for making Kentucky mules. Finding it pretty difficult to sip from the sub $30 shelf these days

[@anthonyallegro1177]

You are not wrong at all. It is different than it used to be. The older label is better. I have drank many handles of 101. The new is not a good. Due to this I hunted handles ranging from 2013-2020, glad to have 12 of them as backups

[@Whiskey5-0]

I’m not impressed with the new 70th anniversary either to me it was a slightly better 101 but given the price it’s not worth it. I’ll stick to anything Russell’s from WT

[@ghantakha5568]

Thanks for saving my £24 . Will buy only after a year when new batch rolls out.

[@franks4973]

Trent you are rocking the doctor brown look. 😜

[@ironmantran]

Interesting ! Here, in Ontario Canada, my new batches since mid-Summer also differ from my earlier batches. (dated : 2024/07/09-19 and - 01 ) . . . Very interesting ! !

[@JohnSwavely]

I know that I have found over the years my pallet can receive bourbon differently, even with the same bottle. I would also understand where it is almost impossible for distillers to get batch blends exactly the same. I will say that Wild Turkey products have always been my go to bourbons.

[@BrettLirones]

I’ve 100% noticed a drop in quality of WT101. Had one new label bottle that was pretty good, but the two I’ve bought since then seemed like they were lacking in the quality department. It’s interesting to hear that there are others who have noticed this, too.

[@toddswartz4248]

Check the smell of the cork. I recently had a bad batch of Russel’s 10 yr that had a skunked cork. Drastically changed the taste of the whole bottle

[@davidteller7681]

My only WT is a Ky Spirit cn-f that is very good

[@ChuckyLarms]

PSA: All distilleries are making bourbons younger and younger. They are also trying to crank out volume by rushing the distillation process. It’s bringing through more tannins, heads, and tails

[@llamabones]

This was more true in Covid times. Knob Creeks now all have a big fat 9 on them, which is about to be the norm again.

[@e.elliott2307]

This trend will likely reverse. Mgp (Ross Squibb) sales are down 24% last quarter. The economy is impacting sales, so fewer bottles are selling. Same is happening with wine sales.

[@Miner-49]

Really prevalent in Jack Daniels. Most of their products are undrinkable now, especially #7.

[@llamabones]

??? Jack Daniels might be the most highly praised bourbon producer in the world right now.

[@Miner-49]

@@llamabones Only their high end products. Their “everyday/mixer” products are garbage. Something bad has happened to #7.

[@billglaser9218]

Here's a thought. Perhaps some of the better/older barrels that normally are used for regular 101 were used for the 70th anniversary 101.